Paragliding. Collapse, crash.
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- Опубликовано: 28 апр 2021
- Hard conditions, very strong wind gusts ( majority of pilots decided not to fly down ), no reaction to a collapse. Pilot is ok, I wish him fast recovery and I hope we will see each other in the sky soon. At Góra Szybowcowa, Jeżów Sudecki.
#paragliding #crash #collapse 
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Wind gusts 10 min before: ruclips.net/video/3EtN8M-5GLc/видео.html
Thanks for this video also! I was looking for a wind sock in the crash video trying to approximate wind speed. Now is clear :) Wish fast recovery to the pilot.
And that's why I flew with tubes, it takes 25-30 min to set up, but no collapses.
I saw this video a few times to see what went wrong. Right from take off, the pilot is flying hands up. No active piloting at all. In windy, gusty conditions you need to have slight pressure on your brake lines always gauging the pitch response of your glider. At 0:18 he is already leaning left most likely to go in for a left turn when the gust hits. Can see he/she using no pressure on left brakes to induce the turn. Again hands up. Then wing tucks and glider turns, pilot is in no position to counter steer. Active piloting, Active piloting, Active piloting !!
This is an interesting concept. The epsilon 9 made by the advanced company States clearly in the brochure for the wing.(this Wing will fly better and turbulent air if you put your hands up and let the wing fly. Then they recommend active flying. So is the company lying to me about this Wing dealing with turbulent air? It was the major statement that made me decide this Wing would be okay.
@@markmcgoveran6811
In my experience, you still need to maintain contact with the wing in turbulent air, either with contact pressure brakes or with rear risers.
There's a big difference between slight contact vs. flying around with 1/4 brakes or more, which apparently used to work pretty well with older wing designs and you still see beginners do when they are getting bounced around
Had the pilot on the video pulled brake in response to the depressurization, it would have limited the size of the collapse, and thus limited the heading change+recovery dive
@@patrickswitzer628 thank you so very much sir for your response. I'm trying to learn to fly this thing. The interesting thing is there are two brake handles and they do a half a dozen different functions. The first function is stiffening if you don't hold on to the brakes and hold that little bit of feel you lose communication with the wing and no stiffening. Between Stowed on the snap and minimum sink, position for the brakes is that little bit of magic stiffness and a quarter brake is to much for cruising speed flight. You are trying to stabilize directly under the wing, moving forward between Best glide and minimum sink. Then you put other commands in beyond that like you weight shift. If you want to turn tighter than the weight shift you can just bump that inside break every 4 seconds . As soon as it starts to swing a little tighter, you're backing off the break again. It's like dragging a paddle in a canoe. You're active flying and you take a little shaving off one side and it swings that way. If you continue to apply the brakes on that side it will begin like that bump. Then you will turn and bank. The outside break acts like a thruster because you didn't put any brake on to widen the turn. Since you were turning the outside thrusting will need to be limited, or you'll fall down in a hole mathematically. If you are chronically stupid like I am you need to try to stay in that Stiffening range. Leave plenty of room do as much weight shift work as possible when turning.. remember when I was a boatman I was very smart and I had a long skinny boat. Now flying through the air on this thing, it's dawned on me there is no arrow head here.
Getting a tuck at that low altitude is very unlucky but it certainly can happen. I had one, years ago, on a not too gusty day at about 300ft AGL and the ground was suddenly racing up to kill me, when the wing suddenly re-inflated - just in time, I might add!! I was able to land and sat around for a while before taking off again, in smoother air.
This pilot was unlucky that the collapse happened so close to the ground. Usually when higher up, the wing can re-inflate without much effort and everything is fine. Yes a collapse is a concern if you are flying on a gusty day, as gusts can be very unpredictable but one has to make the decision whether or not to fly - is it safe, are the risks too great? The exhilaration of free flying is incomparable. At take off, it’s the experience of the world just dropping away from below you that is always a thrill. I never got tired of that. I have had twisted ankles, had scrapes and bruises but always enjoyed my flying. I have had a few scary moments but it is a dangerous sport after all - it comes with the thrills. I’m too old and had too many other injuries now to want to risk any more. Also, it takes a lot of time away from family and I’m a grandfather now. Family has to come first.
I had the same experience. I can still recall the image of the grass rushing to me. Then boom, the wing reopened but still got a decent tumble. Lucky call.
Beautiful scenery
i experienced a similar one at 30 meters during landing approach, %70 collapsed with no recovery or no time to react, i fell on newly plowed farm soil and survived with a broken pelvic bone and minor spinal injury
With hindsight, do you feel it may have been avoided? I appreciate your thoughts.
@@zerofox2046 I believe in this sport there is a certain amount of unavoidable inherent risk, especially during landing and takeoff where the altitude is pretty limited, when things go catastrophically so quickly, there is no time to react and then shit happens. I wouldn't dare taking off in the above videos wind conditions however.
@@PiggoNZ i was a little slack on brakes, ground thermals supresssor hit me hard i guessd. thank you
Wish you speed recovery
How was your leg positioning during this approach?
@@iacamigevaerd376 thank you very much i recovered almost totally within 3 months, I was stationed within my harness with normal flight position, didnt inflict the collapse by body movement or playing with the lines, only i may have applied a little less brake than from my usual landings, maybe my only fault.
I am not sure what to think about the pilot reaction really. When the glider goes up like that, you should put your hands up to in order not to stall it. Then when the glider starts to pitch forward again, you will brake it down. But the pilot already has his hands up so no way he can lift them even more. Maybe he should have started to brake shortly before the collapse and when he (probably) felt the brakes lines start to feel lose? What do you guys think? I fly a lot without thinking about this stuff actively, I rather feel my glider and do these kind of things automatically I guess. But its so hard to judge how yourself would perform in that exact same moment.
he should have simply braked right when the collapse happened. Still this is a thing you dont have time to think, it must be a learned reflex
I love talking to you because I do all this stuff with math and I'm still learning to ground handle.
He seems to be weightshifted to the lelf just before the collapse, making counter shift harder on time. The glider just needed some height to recover.
The riser goes slack, and you tip to the slacked side (which looks like the weightshift) just before the wing folds down.
That’s the problem it’s not a glider it’s a parachute that will glide! First it has to be a parachute then it will glide!
Having flown airplanes for many years, I've come to the conclusion that sails and weight-shift lack enough positive control for my taste. I grew up during the hang glider craze of the early Seventies and have wanted to fly these light, simple gliders ever since; still would like to, but I'd want rigid wings, ailerons, elevators and a rudder.
You can fly the old guy hang glider, the ATOS.
@@SVSky Yep, those look like the ticket.
What you were talking about is control authority. If you get in a situation with rigid air craft, you have a lot more control authority than if you were trying to ride a bag of cloth through the sky.
@@markmcgoveran6811 Especially when you weigh 130 lbs.
@@johnfranborra it doesn't matter what your weight is it's a relationship between your weight and how many square meters of wing.
The wind was from the left ! Watch the drifting to the right and lifting, right side go up first!! warning on 0.15-0.16 small hit from left on stabilo. Should pull left and go front-wind.
After collapse, hard right brake to stop rotation nad fly on right side of wing... not much experience in strong gusts...sorry.
Exactly. Pilot had their mind locked into the terrain instead of the wind. If they had just let the wing turn to the left, it would not have been hit from the side like that. After collapse, if they had leaned right and braked the right side, it would have been flying down the hill with the pilot under the wing when the left side re-inflated. But, if they had the skills for that, they would not have collapsed. Should not have been flying in those conditions. Glad they are not hurt too bad!
sorry kids; you gotta understand that there are trade offs; in this case the convenience of NOT having an airframe on your glider means THAT IT CAN TURN INTO A PILE OF FABRIC AT ANYTIME AND THEN YOU FALL.
The inflatable wing sounds like a great idea; but learn to hang glide; you'll still have trade offs but you will be A LOT SAFER!
EN-B+ on a day like this warrants faster pilot input than 2 sec. It took exactly 2 sec for the pilot the pull the brakes.
Hope nothing serious happened!
And the brake input was short in both lenght and time.
i am novice pilot, i still need to learn so i am wondering if it is pilot mistake or the pilot doing his best thing to do? can someone give me advice and what can learn from that?
Go to paragliding school. They should teach you basic maneuvers. Direction control in side collapse should be one of those.
Did controlled collapse for my license exam just recently. (That being said, I've crashed once in a similar way but for another reason while at school - it takes experience to be able to recognize these situations promptly).
@@alexus267 i already got my novice license from my local school
i just wondering how he can get the asymmetrical collapse during the take off so i can learn from that to avoid the incident
@@yantiherni7426 this pilot don't pull enough brake to feel his wing and avoid this collapse. Next, If you are in this situation you have to put your weight on the opposite side of your asymetric collapse. Then wait, when your are in a safer altitude try some quick movments of brakes if the wing has not already totally open.
Plus, check If you are in the good weight range.
@@yantiherni7426 strong wind gust, turbulence, slow reaction
@@alexus267what a worthless human being with an absolutely commitment. If you've already been to paragliding school when you ask this guy a question you're wasting his time. The guy with his quality of instruction
Aconteceu isso comigo decolei de Ihumas pra Petrolina depois ir de boa pra Santa Rosa e deu PT.
Needed to fly the remaining half to the glider straight, but ended up releasing brake and letting it fly around the deflated half of the wing before it re-inflated.
Immediate weight shift to the right upon collapse and maintaining pressure on right brake can keep the glider flying straight-ish. That means you have less than half lift, so likely to settle down onto ground, but avoid the spiral into the ground that way. Really need the wing pointed downhill when the left half re-inflates.
Shouldn't be leaning that hard and braking that hard so close to the ground on gusty day and needs to respond to collapse much more quickly.
Be conservative about what kind of weather you choose to fly. Live to fly another day!
Que coisa einh?
Is he ok?
yes, nothing serious
Is there anything the pilot could have done to prevent the collapse? I am happy he is ok.
not fly here and maybe this day
not to fly on this day, also more active input to wing behaviour
Preventing is hard to say from video but on collapse he did nothing. Weight to the open side and steering to fly straight with a half wing until the collapsed side recover.
Jack Carver are bad conditions obvious from the video?
Not prevent,but handle
Devil's gust. What kind of your paraglider? EN- A or B?
How many types of paraglider...? I don't know..? Can tell me..?
@@DeepakSharma-wc1gr At least 4, EN-A~D.
@@hendsonyu5167 4 types, can you tell me neme..?
@@DeepakSharma-wc1gr paragliding.rocktheoutdoor.com/en/tips/choose-paragliding-wing-match-fly-skill-level/
@@hendsonyu5167 thank you for the website
I feel much safer with my single surface beginner hang glider Falcon ... I have low speed and never collapses.
I m completly astonished about how thousands paragliders pilots don t care about this aspect of collapsing and they keep saying that it s your fault and not the wing fault.... why didn t make the nature the birds with flexible wings then? I observe the birds flying not you tube videos and hg is the closest to it but even so it s still dangerous .... pg still more
That's why i hang glide also... and we have speed for fun :P
Hang gliding creeps me out... I'm gonna fold the wings like coyote
O kurde coś mu się stało poważnego bo to znam
Trees, same with skydiving - under canopy
That would be a broken leg or arm.
Horrible reactions.
Looks like he flew into the rotor . Exactly why id rather fly my hang glider wing. It dont colapse. Just my opinion
Those conditions were definitely much more appropriate for hang glider! An experienced paraglider would have been fine in that situation and that pilot would probably not have had a collapse if they had been on more conservative wing. They still should not have been out in those conditions with that poor reaction time and skills, IMHO.
Cześć!
Szybka analiza świeżaka-->
0:17 sygnał skrzydła (napięta sterówka) ?
0:18-0:20 Zła reakcja? Czy w 0:20s dupka nie powinna już być na prawej połówce ?
0:21 - Czy doszło do przeciągnięcia ?
Pytania świeżaka --> czy dało się tego uniknąć ? Czy można ocenić co było bezpośrednia przyczyną klapy ? Mocny "strzał" wiatru?
Żadna ironia, hejt, wytykanie błędów etc. zwykłe przemyślenia początkującego. Na takich materiałach się uczę ;)
Zapraszam do dyskusji i do ewentualnego poprawienia mnie.
P.S. Zdaje sobie sprawę, że na filmie to 3s, a w powietrzu to jest moment - 0,001s ;)
Po pierwsze jak są porywy z 2-10 ms, icm pokazuje 3-20, windy 3-14 to lepiej nie latać na malej górce z przeszkodami ;)
Klapy musisz przetrenować na SIVie, jak spadasz w uprzęży przy większej klapie to przenoszenie czegokolwiek gdziekolwiek uznasz za zabawne, za to możesz utrzymać kierunek zaciągając zdrową stronę. Masz rację, w takim momencie zostaną Ci tylko wytrenowane odruchy. SIV raz w roku to podstawa.
Przed klapą sterówka mięknie, chyba, ze dostajesz taką bombę, że nie zdąży :D Podczas ground handlingu poproś kogoś, żeby zakładał Ci klapy zaciągając taśmy A, a Ty z zamkniętymi oczami próbuj je łapać opierając się tylko na uczuciu mięknącej sterówki, fajne ćwiczenie :)
@@MyAdventureLog Prosto i rzeczowo! Dzieki za odpowiedź. Ćwiczenie ląduje do "notatnika" i będzie ćwiczone!
THX!
Even paragliders stall. Better know what you’re doing before you leave the ground.
While it's true gliders can stall, this wasn't a stall.
Krusevo. Makedonija
Legs broken
I'll stick wit powered aircraft. 😂
Warning - wind shear wind shear!!
Love how his fellow kiters do nothing.
What a bunch of.
Yes, they did nothing for 2 seconds, but I guarantee they started helping in the next two ;)
Oh shit
Pilot did not any input... Hope nothing serious happened!
Looks fun. No thanks
I think this video should be remembered by stupid people who are considering doing something like that.
Seemed none helped him
No worries, they did. Just needed another 0,5 sec ;D
@@MyAdventureLog that's ok
lol!
Fk that
The one thing you want to trust in this sport, you cant. Madness.
A wing with RAST would do a lot less harm
Flying a paraglider looks cool until it turns into last week’s washing basket! This would never happen to a hang glider! The only advantage a paraglider has over a hang glider is the ease of transporting it to the top of the hill. Other than that, nothing!