It was a pilot induced spin. All the turns in this video are not sharp but forced. The colapse of the glider was caused by the heavy handed pilot. I am glad it ended up well.
My first reaction, right from the first turn was that the pilot is far too heavy on the brakes, look, lean, apply gentle brake... As said before, he spun the glider...
The dude was braking to much his cayenne5, He was already flying to slow, when he caused a negative spin, luckily the glider forgave his error and let him land safely.
As others say, it was a spin induced by turning too slow. In the pilots defense, you can see there was some thermal activity that made coming down hard, and probably contributed to the spin too. Kudos for going hands up and allowing it to recover quickly.
@@jonathansummerfield8390 Please share your expert advice for when it get´s floaty or bubbly just before final approach and you have little space to manouver.
@@quoth_raven I didn't want to criticize you. I meant some people do mostly coastal soaring and other fly only in moutains with stronger conditions. So no offence :-) As I dont know the topographic situation its difficult to give you an answer. Instead of S-turns you could go for big ears and glide in from the side. In stead of killing the dynamic of your wing go for more dynamic turns - wing over like to kill altitude.
@@quoth_raven I dont want to compare regular pilots to the pros, but I did fly with Patrik von Känel once and the landing precision on small peaks in the alps is insane.
@@jonathansummerfield8390 no offense taken or meant ;) personally I'm not comfortable with ears on landing (less manouverability due to having your hands full and also being in speed) or with too dynamic turns close to the ground... but kudos to the pilots that master those techniques. I'm not sure they should be generalized though.
As others say, this looks like a spin and not a collapse, e.g. the right side of the wing just stalled, with a nice yaw movement. Looks like a good reaction (but hard to tell exactly what the pilot did), with the right side immediately recovering and plunging forward. As the people in the audio said, glad you had some height to recover from that!
@@niigataflyingclub Really glad you were fine - I also fly in Japan, and so I'm familiar with what you were trying to do :-) I was taught the same, but yeah, always important to be careful on those tight, altitude-losing turns
Да не коллапс это был, а сорванное зажатое крыло на низкой скорости при крутых поворотах. Плюс пилот до последнего сидел в подвеске, увеличивая шансы на твист при неприятностях с крылом в условиях турбулентности. Пилот сам себя загнал в неприятности и счастливо из них выкрутился. А мог бы и нет.
That wing recovery was super quick which saved this pilot from Injury, but at treetop height should he(she) not be out of the pod harness ready for landing? I have a lot to learn about this kind of malfunction and the causes of it but it seems like a bit of pilot error combined with less than ideal conditions, anyone who knows better please enlighten us all. Speed is your friend when trying to keep a wing inflated and it appears to me the pilot tried to slow it down way too much. Just my novice observations.
Lots of space on this site! Why not doing a longer straight glide from your left? In the height, where the glider started to spin, you already could have had your legs out of the pod. Maybe doesnt look cool enough, but better than diving into ground in flying Position. Have seen many guys bombing in, because they could not get their feet out of the impress.
Thank you for sharing, i mostly agree with the other comments but i must say the glider really recovert great and very fast things happens i had one spin like that as i reallyy wanted to fully turn small heavy thermals and forced my wing into a turn as result i spon like 30 meters up right next to a cliff ^^ wasnt fun at all
Proof that the Cayenne 5 is a VERY safe glider, too heavy-handed in manouvres, not allowing the wing to build speed before the next turn. It's like he was doing wing-overs without actually allowing the wing to build up speed/energy.
Is anyone going to mention the fact that upon recovering from what could have been a really bad day, the pilot then comes in to land with way too much brake applied? Those little flapping movements work fine IF there is plenty of lifting air/wind blowing (as is often the case on coastal/ridge sites)...but definitely should not be used in these conditions in my opinion.
He spin the glider. Luckily, there were no cravat while exiting spin. Glider might turn right very fast on left side to the ground if that was the case.
@@condorenvy a deformatoin can also be an advantage. Paragliders and hangliders are equal in terms of safety. A deformations means also a reset of a bad situation
@@Kurikost_ Sure, doing big ears or practicing stalls or doing an SIV course is one thing. "I hope that my wing collapses as I'm setting up my landing approach " said no one ever.
I used to fly hangglider (s), but sooner or later you gonna see, it's a kind of pain in the a... to carry that heavy stuff up the hill .. and security with a hangglider is way better than it used to be ...take care
He is putting tooooo wayyyy much break inputs, low speed due to.too much breaks ( spin ) and also I noticed he seems like doesn't have feeling of his pitch controls.. Anyways glad that he made it ..
Excellent piloting!! Very precise correction... just at the right moment. Incredible!! Great slow motion too. Very high quality. Kind regards from Colombia in South America. What a weird collapse! Was the wind coming down the mountain?
They think jetflap is solving all their problems.. anyway i also see a trim problem there.. the glider is flying slow also with the leading edge rised.. must go in for an inspection.
Paul Skywalker you need to take a good course when they teach you how to fly a paraglider, doesn’t matter the level of the homologation. Clearly in this case the pilot applies too much brake and the right side stop flying, very lucky because I think he don’t know what happened and for some comments you not are the only one think was a collapse or wing problem 🤦🏻♂️
It was a pilot induced spin. All the turns in this video are not sharp but forced. The colapse of the glider was caused by the heavy handed pilot. I am glad it ended up well.
it was a spin not a collapse
right, in german we say "trudeln". negative turn, to much brake on the right side
@@thomasthiede Vrille my friend
actualy it was to heavy on both breaks. The right was just bit heavier. He is flying on the light side of this glider
It wasnt collapse, it was a negative spin caused by the pilot!!
My first reaction, right from the first turn was that the pilot is far too heavy on the brakes, look, lean, apply gentle brake... As said before, he spun the glider...
The dude was braking to much his cayenne5, He was already flying to slow, when he caused a negative spin, luckily the glider forgave his error and let him land safely.
The reason for the collapse is very low speed. This is the pilot's fault. He was very lucky! )))
Thank you for good analysis ,
As others say, it was a spin induced by turning too slow. In the pilots defense, you can see there was some thermal activity that made coming down hard, and probably contributed to the spin too. Kudos for going hands up and allowing it to recover quickly.
I don't know where you fly but there was very little thermal activity in comparison to spring strong days where I fly.
@@jonathansummerfield8390 Please share your expert advice for when it get´s floaty or bubbly just before final approach and you have little space to manouver.
@@quoth_raven I didn't want to criticize you. I meant some people do mostly coastal soaring and other fly only in moutains with stronger conditions.
So no offence :-)
As I dont know the topographic situation its difficult to give you an answer.
Instead of S-turns you could go for big ears and glide in from the side.
In stead of killing the dynamic of your wing go for more dynamic turns - wing over like to kill altitude.
@@quoth_raven
I dont want to compare regular pilots to the pros, but I did fly with Patrik von Känel once and the landing precision on small peaks in the alps is insane.
@@jonathansummerfield8390 no offense taken or meant ;)
personally I'm not comfortable with ears on landing (less manouverability due to having your hands full and also being in speed) or with too dynamic turns close to the ground... but kudos to the pilots that master those techniques. I'm not sure they should be generalized though.
As others say, this looks like a spin and not a collapse, e.g. the right side of the wing just stalled, with a nice yaw movement. Looks like a good reaction (but hard to tell exactly what the pilot did), with the right side immediately recovering and plunging forward. As the people in the audio said, glad you had some height to recover from that!
Thanks for good analysis i was tying to reduce speed and killing the hight with turning but i was not trying to reduce my speed with breacks
@@niigataflyingclub Really glad you were fine - I also fly in Japan, and so I'm familiar with what you were trying to do :-) I was taught the same, but yeah, always important to be careful on those tight, altitude-losing turns
Да не коллапс это был, а сорванное зажатое крыло на низкой скорости при крутых поворотах. Плюс пилот до последнего сидел в подвеске, увеличивая шансы на твист при неприятностях с крылом в условиях турбулентности.
Пилот сам себя загнал в неприятности и счастливо из них выкрутился. А мог бы и нет.
It is a negative spin.
I think your wing is far away from a good trim. Did you ever checked and/or trimmed it?
That wing recovery was super quick which saved this pilot from Injury, but at treetop height should he(she) not be out of the pod harness ready for landing? I have a lot to learn about this kind of malfunction and the causes of it but it seems like a bit of pilot error combined with less than ideal conditions, anyone who knows better please enlighten us all. Speed is your friend when trying to keep a wing inflated and it appears to me the pilot tried to slow it down way too much. Just my novice observations.
Lots of space on this site! Why not doing a longer straight glide from your left? In the height, where the glider started to spin, you already could have had your legs out of the pod. Maybe doesnt look cool enough, but better than diving into ground in flying Position. Have seen many guys bombing in, because they could not get their feet out of the impress.
Thank you for sharing, i mostly agree with the other comments but i must say the glider really recovert great and very fast things happens
i had one spin like that as i reallyy wanted to fully turn small heavy thermals and forced my wing into a turn as result i spon like 30 meters up right next to a cliff ^^ wasnt fun at all
Were his trims pulled in too much for the thermally day?
Hello very good clip
Great share, and even better reminder to stay sharp because ‘it’ can happen ANYWHERE!. Thank you, and I’m thankful you(he) is safe!
It was just caused by the pilot (breaking too much)
You can see that he stays pretty neutral on some of his turns. Sure there are exceptions but in general weightshift first then apply break
Teve muito sangue frio e experiência .
Wow that was a lot of lift coming off that spot! I saw signs on the prior pass that there was activity at that end.
Proof that the Cayenne 5 is a VERY safe glider, too heavy-handed in manouvres, not allowing the wing to build speed before the next turn. It's like he was doing wing-overs without actually allowing the wing to build up speed/energy.
Yeah, also super fast and safe recovery by the Cayenne
defenetely check the trim of that glider!
Need more weight shift. He was turning flat with low energy with heavy right brake and caused it to spin.
Хорошо отработал ассиметрию. Хорошо ещё высоты хватило
No enought speed i think, no ?
i also feel the was killed much
speed was killed much
Eso no es una plegada. Has metido la vela en negativo por exceso de freno derecho al ir en velocidad mínima.
Is anyone going to mention the fact that upon recovering from what could have been a really bad day, the pilot then comes in to land with way too much brake applied? Those little flapping movements work fine IF there is plenty of lifting air/wind blowing (as is often the case on coastal/ridge sites)...but definitely should not be used in these conditions in my opinion.
Time of the incident? Landing zone where exactly? Winter time?
Acontece. Ainda bem que nossas aeronaves são extremamente seguras e tudo acabou bem.
Not a collapse as much as pure pilot error... Coconut!
Ну что сказать, молодец!
А ошибки, думаю сам разберёт
Всё мы на ошибках учимся)
Good job
He spin the glider. Luckily, there were no cravat while exiting spin. Glider might turn right very fast on left side to the ground if that was the case.
Managed to stall the wing many, many times during low level flight.
Срыв потока ...в помощь изучить пампинг.
That's why I fly a hang glider. Glad to see the pilot is OK.
because landing a hang glider is so easy and safe.
@@Kurikost_ Never said it was easy but the wing won't deform during the landing approach
@@condorenvy
a deformatoin can also be an advantage. Paragliders and hangliders are equal in terms of safety. A deformations means also a reset of a bad situation
@@Kurikost_ Sure, doing big ears or practicing stalls or doing an SIV course is one thing. "I hope that my wing collapses as I'm setting up my landing approach " said no one ever.
I used to fly hangglider (s), but sooner or later you gonna see, it's a kind of pain in the a... to carry that heavy stuff up the hill .. and security with a hangglider is way better than it used to be ...take care
Nice save 🤙
Задушил крыло, передавил клеванты? (too low brakes?)
Nice
He was stalling the glider which lead up to the collapse on the turn
He is putting tooooo wayyyy much break inputs, low speed due to.too much breaks ( spin ) and also I noticed he seems like doesn't have feeling of his pitch controls..
Anyways glad that he made it ..
Nice spin.
👏👏👏 top .⚡ #TROVÃOTREZE
Excellent piloting!! Very precise correction... just at the right moment. Incredible!! Great slow motion too. Very high quality. Kind regards from Colombia in South America. What a weird collapse! Was the wind coming down the mountain?
No, that was poor slow non weight shifting turns that caused the spin. Far from excellent.
@@alexsakon Yeah! You're right! " Let go or die"- Bruce Goldsmith. I guess speed keeps the doctor away. Amazing that he saved it! What a scare!
at low altitudes we should never use the body and the brakes together
The opposite!
possibly more weight shift would have helped here.
It's a negative spin ...change the title please because many people can be mislead by it.
With accelerator? Maybe
No then was without accelerator
demasiado freno, pésimo piloto, menos mal que la vela es una madre
Too much brake. Sometimes skywalk flyers use too much brake compared to others
😂
They think jetflap is solving all their problems..
anyway i also see a trim problem there.. the glider is flying slow also with the leading edge rised..
must go in for an inspection.
He touched the tree...
Controle absoluto. Parabéns
Its ur fault.. No hook turn next time..
Coraggiosi.
C wing problems
This can happen on any wing (although with different behaviour). It's not a wing problem, but a pilot problem
Landing slow, with too much brakes applied into wind gradient can bite you even on your Mito, Kollege.
@@Vindolin the reaction of the wing would have been different then..
Paul Skywalker you need to take a good course when they teach you how to fly a paraglider, doesn’t matter the level of the homologation. Clearly in this case the pilot applies too much brake and the right side stop flying, very lucky because I think he don’t know what happened and for some comments you not are the only one think was a collapse or wing problem 🤦🏻♂️
No, it’s a poor piloting problem
Cayenne - 5
stall landing/