Horizon Forbidden West Spoilercast and Review Discussion | Sacred Symbols+, Episode 176
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
- Back in 2017, Horizon: Zero Dawn launched on PlayStation 4, and it didn't resemble anything Sony-owned studio Guerilla had ever made before. Best known for its dark FPS series Killzone, Guerilla instead delivered an airy open world action-RPG, one rife with tribalistic societies and mysterious robotic creatures, and it went on to sell a staggering 20 million copies. Fast-forward some five years, and its sequel has arrived. While it initially began development as a PS4-only game, it's also natively available on PlayStation 5 (where we played it), and -- for the two of us on today's episode of + -- it blew us away. Gameplay and combat, story and voice acting, main quests and side quests, upgrades and options. It's a wonderful adventure, and one of the best PlayStation exclusive games of all-time. So come join us for a deep, spoiler-filled discussion about all things Horizon: Forbidden West, noting that the first 15 minutes or so are spoiler-free.
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Incredible review, by far the most in depth and comprehensive spoiler discussion I’ve listened to for this amazing game. I’d love to see Ben in more spoiler discussions in the future too!
Biome is the word that should be used when comparing desert, jungle and snowy mountain. I think Colin is mad because people use biome incorrectly to describe levels, instead of differing environments.
Yep, I always think back to minecraft with regards to biomes.
Amazing discussion, I really enjoyed the podcast! Very deep and comprehensive. Thank you guys, great job!
I kinda disagree about Varl. Where as for me him leaving doesn't impact me at all but he never came across as annoying to me, he came across as a true homie - him and Erend literally the two who always had your back.
What I loved was Varl was the one who was picking up on information, learning new concepts and understanding the old ones much much better than everyone else (minus Alva).
I'm glad we didn't see Faro. Not seeing him accomplishes two things. One being that it leaves his mutation to our imagination. And second and most importantly is he's a loser. By not seeing him, his extended life feels trivial and worthless and that's exactly what he deserves. For him to be disposed of by a naive tribe that worshipped him is insult to injury. Ultimately Ted Faro is not worthy of crossing paths with Aloy because she has bigger fish to fry.
You got a pretty good overview of what he was in the hologram Aloy saw, that was enough for me - we was like a massive plant grown cramped in a small jar, so it would have really been hard to get what had happened to him from going around that corner I think. I was happy enough with the hologram view.
Hard Disagree just beat the game you do NOT reveal Ted Faro the guy who started all this is STILL alive and we don't set him up as the Big bad? HE should have been "Nemesis " coming back to wipe out the remaining Zeneths who escaped his original extinction plan
Thank you for making this free to us!!
I just have to disagree on the idea that Frozen Wilds didn't have much story and didn't impact Forbidden West. This DLC was the thing that developed the character of Hephaestus, the subfunction that plays a very key role in the sequel. I can't imagine having not played it and being able to grasp the sequel quite as well.
I agree. It was totally referenced in conversation with Gaia.
Agree with the mystery lacking. Wish it was told more like HZD. They could of changed the way they told the Far Zenith story and given it more of a mystery revealing itself via exploring, holograms and audio logs like HZD. Revealing the fact they didn’t die, that something was approaching earth, finding out it’s them, that they figured out eternal life, and that there’s a greater enemy out there (which they also didn’t have to completely reveal to keep it mysterious). Instead it was very straight forward.
With all that said, I really enjoyed the game and this world. No game ever made me platinum it until this one. Just wish the story was told a bit more like the 1st one. 9/10. Thank you GG. Looking forward to the next one.
I find it interesting how Colin says no one could have predicted what the game is about meanwhile in the back of my bad I always had a “what if the ship didn’t blow up” thoughts of what could happen if that were the case
Also the fact that at the beginning of forbidden west they tell us about far zenith again was a huge hint for me, the rules of foreshadowing and setting something up only to pay it off later
Still awesome that they actually did it!
Same. As soon as we went through the first ruins with Varl and saw the holo's, I absolutely knew they didn't explode. I actually thought it was obvious.
If theres a gun in the frame in the first act, it has to be used by third. It's actually basic storytelling.
All that lore and world building from the first game from reading those data points, the pay off for the fans in FW was ridiculous 🙏🏾.
Me too. I tweeted about how I wanted this to be the story for the sequel way back in 2017.
Dismissing Frozen Wilds gave us a glimpse into the major gameplay loop of Forbidden West; retrieving the rogue AI subfunctions. The conversations with CYAN are all foreshadowing for Forbidden West
I do consider that there are things some people condone or even praise on Elden Ring that they complain about sevearly on Horizon Forbidden West its a shame
Are the chapters auto generated or something wth
Finally got around to play this game. Had it in my backlog since release. Incredible game and I wholeheartedly agree with Colin, the Far Zenith stuff was absolutely awesome and now that the odyssey is on Earth, they have a lot of different angles to work with in the 3rd game. Imagine a trilogy of games that begins with primitive tribes with spears and bows that ends with space travel. So much they could do.
The final pit master challenge (against The Enduring) was the most difficult thing in the game by far. I played the game in Very Hard difficulty but turned it down after the second pit master challenge (which I did well after beating the final boss).
It is my GOTY and it breaks my heart that it is not getting the recognition it deserves 😢
So Colin you never used the braced shot Technique for the sharpshoot Bow? Its one of the best weapon techniques
@@FreshWitcher And the game allows you to do exactly that. The extra skills and valor stuff is completely pointless if the game doesn't force you to use it somehow.
1:19:00 - It might be more of a critique on the game's Normal mode and it may even be true that it's unbalanced, but I never get it when complaints are made about a game being too easy or not forcing you to be creative with its systems, when the person don't try to bump up the difficulty. I played the whole game on Hard and, granted that I also had my go-tos, I remember several instances where I had to switch weapons/strategies to be able to beat encounters and not die repeatedly
Fantastic timing, just finished the game 2 days ago.
I tried to race through the game and jumped into the final battle at level 41 or 42 but I didn't have very many high spec weapons. My arrows and traps couldn't do much against the final boss.
The exploding javelin spears were what I used to take out Spector Prime.
Plasma boltblast that bish
I’m so happy to hear you guys celebrate this game. This is how I’ve felt about the game, and I’ve yet to hear anyone else laud it the way I think it has earned.
14:15 you described what I felt exactly … no problem with what happened in the story, but we needed another hour to unwind that plot, instead it was all shoved into last 15 minutes. I think they ran out of time.
I disagree with them about the trophies. I thought the trophies were well done. When I see a trophy that requires me to collect hundreds of something, I put trophies out of my mind. I just can't stand tedious trophies that don't respect a players' time.
2 hours? Nice!!!
My favorite Ben content is from the Lockmort edits :P
Overall I like game and I think the art direction and visual are top tier for these Horizon games. But I've come to the realization that the writing for Aloy's personality brings the story down. Outside of her orgin in HZD I don't find the character interesting or endearing. Also the writing and pacing for some of the key characters and plot points were off. Leaving the conclusions to story treads or deaths either leaving no impact or feeling underwhelming. I felt like the whole San Francisco part of the map was underutilized and could do with more story and npc quest. The whole Thebes and Farrow bit was lame and underwhelming. The Ragalia character was a miss and she felt like a Saturday morning cartoon villain. Alot of the tribe characters either looked to similar because of the heavy war paint and hair styles or they had similar sounding names, that they've become a blur in my mind with no one in particular sticking out. The early settlements like Chain scrape in the Daunt are detailed and seem full of life but those even takes a steep decline as soon as you leave The Daunt.
At the end of the day I enjoyed the game fir what it was but feel as though they tried to pack in to much. If Ragalia was written better her rebellion and Aloy uniting the tribe. Aloy having to find the other subs funtions of Gaia and stopping the blight should have been more than enough to substain HFW storywise. And in my opinion the could have saved the whole Zenith and Nemesis stuff for the 3rd game.
I was really hoping the game would have a co-op mode. Like they had mentioned on the documentary years ago. Hunter bow for life. I think the level above normal should have been normal. Normal was pretty easy. I maxed out stealth early on
Glad Colin is giving this game the love and praise it deserves considering the hype train that Elden Ring has going right now. Forbidden West is a cut above the rest in the industry at the moment not saying it'd perfect because nothing is truly flawless but its definitely worthy of way more praise it's getting 💯
lol. yeah it's good ubisoft style game
I wanted more with that Ted Faro wannabe from the Quen. Hoping it be a new enemy for longer.
I think it is absolutely incredible that we got Horizon and Elden Ring so close to each other, both of which to me are some of the best games ever made. While I prefer Elden Ring overall, there is no denying Horizon is absolutely masterful at ehat it does. I think it is the best example of that type of open world even above Red Dead 2 for me but the completely new approach of Elden Ring is just so mu h mire compelling because it is just such a fresh feeling
I agree that this game is amazing, but one thing holds it back for me. Aloy is unlikeable and has a god complex. I enjoyed the story, loved the gameplay, but Aloy grated on me the whole game until about the big moment with Varl. It's only there she finally starts acting like a person, and not a messiah.
@@stonehorn4641 i think that's intentional though
@@dorukevcim7578 sure, but it's still not a good choice to make the player spend 50 hours with an annoying character.
I thought Ben was excellent in this, well reasoned commentary.
I really don't like the far zenith storyline but I think it's still a great open world game
I really didn't think the midpoint twist was surprising. It felt like a pretty natural evolution of the story to me. My main issue with this game is open world fatigue and the story not having the same impact as the first game did for me. Zero Dawn's story felt much more engaging and it felt tighter than Forbidden West. The combat and technical aspects were much improved but fighting the machines didn't feel as fresh. This is still a good game and an improvement on the first in most aspects. It just didn't mesh with me as much as the first did.
I still had a good time with the game
I felt exactly the same way.
I really can't understand Colin's strong opinion on this game. I do like the game but it falls short in a lot of areas, and imo it doesn't do anything new for the open-world genre especially when you compare it to something like Elden Ring.
Definitely feel like playing on very hard is way to go to in this game. Most those too easy problems could've been resolved at a harder difficulty but i do agree if you have everything maxed it it feels like you cant near the end of the game making feel way too easy
Just wanted to mention that Elisabet could be bi-sexual which would avoid the "sexuality is a choice" dilemma Colin mentioned.
I also thought the Zenith story line was so refreshing and amazing because the whole game you're lead to believe that the Zeniths are descendants but they're not there the same freaking people that left! and that whole Ted Faro still being alive but like a monster!! c'mon guys if you don't know how to appreciate this level of story telling then you don't know what good writing is.
I'll have to watch thos lager once I get back to this game lol
I finished it and loved it, the side quest are marvelous compared to many other open world games, without spoilers the Las Vegas part of the game is the best, but I do not like the fighting pits or arena part of the game, thankfully even without doing that, it rocks (I even won all strike games with just one pice 😉)
Also the last of us 2 still stands above everyone else story wise.
I also loved Las Vegas, and wasn't too fond of the fighting pits. I actually thought The Enduring was much less frustrating to beat than either the cheap pair in the mountains, or the mastery of timed combos required in the desert pit.
I have never, EVER been a trophy hunter. Forbidden West was my first ever platinum. It was an absolute pleasure to play and I loved it.
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I totally agree with Colin about HFW getting this weird treatment
it's not as bad as people say but the game still feels like it was supposed to be more. Didn't get much mystery or intrigue out of the exploration and the combat was meh, especially horrendous hitboxes. I tried hard to like it too, 70 hours +
It's has to do with a massive backlash against Sony fanboys now that Microsoft has been curbstomping Sony regularly with their acquisitions and gamepass. Xbox is on top again and their fans are letting Sony fans (be they actually fanboys or not) have it.
52:01 … they literally only said she had a relationship with Tilda… that does not mean Elisabet is a lesbian or only dated women. And all the men interested in Aloy and she’s made it clear she’s not interested in them. Not a plot hole at all.
I loved this game but I'm liking it less in retrospect now that I'm playing Elden Ring. The ending fell flat for me. Can't wait to hear y'alls thoughts
I hated this game. Felt like a rehashed shitty ubisoft game, but Elden Ring is the game of a generation
@@benstrauss6376 Eh I'd say it feeling like a Ubisoft game is unfair. Horizon has better animation, world design, graphics, combat, and quests than any Ubisoft game has ever had imo.
Horizon's world was one of the best I've ever explored in a game. Yeah, Elden Ring's is more interesting but like, being 'worse' than Elden Ring isn't really an insult imo. Horizon was still great, it's just not Elden Ring.
@@benstrauss6376 if you hate this game, actually hate it then it’s due to it not being for you. It was clear what this game would be like which is a perfected version of the first game. If you hated it then you must of purchased the game knowing that you wouldn’t like it.
I feel like a lot of people that announce they love Elden Ring cannot love Horizon too. I’m not saying this directly to you but it’s just an observation I have made
Edit. I just saw that you also commented separately and yeah you clearly do not rate the game which is fair enough. I disagree with the point that it’s a rehashed Ubi game and that it’s inferior to the first. I also disagree that ER (which is a really good game imo) is a a game of the generation.
@@Collier990RHCP I loved the first game but felt that this one did not respect my time as much, nor did it have nearly as compelling of a story. It was a solid 7 to the first game's 9. It was a stunningly beautiful game but they borrowed too much from Naughty Dog style games for me (I love ND, but this is Gorilla and should stay Gorilla). I both loved, and hated, this entry in the series.
Fully agree with Colin and Ben on Aloy's characterization. I've seen so many complaints about Aloy as a character since release but so much of it always felt like people talking about who they wanted Aloy to be instead of accepting who she actually is; respecting where she comes from.
Given her upbringing, her experiences in life thus far, and now carrying what feels like the weight of the world on her shoulders all the time, the way she interacts with others seems realistic and human. She's empathetic towards others but she can get pretty fed up dealing with other people's shit all the time too, and she'll let them know.
This more grounded characterisation makes her feel more human and relatable and is what makes her a great character. It may not be what some people want, but like real people, you don't get to choose how people are, they are who they are because of where they come from and this game's portrayal of Aloy understands that.
Played the game mostly using sharpshooter bow
I finally finished the story last night, and was able to watch the rest of your review - pretty good commentary. I really loved where the story went on this, all during the original Forbidden West I was sure that the ship in space had not really exploded, or somehow survived, but I was amazed to see how much of a factor that played in this game. However the burning question I had was not talked about or answered - did the Zenith that got taken away by the bat-machine survive somewhere else? One other point, after you were talking about the art I realized it existed at another level - it was part of Tilda's plan to begin turning Aloy into her Elizabeth she intended to spend eternity with. And speaking of that, one story aspect I would have liked to seen explored more was, how it would warp a mind to be alive that long. You sort of got a bit of that with Faro, but Tilda seemed remarkably normal for someone who had had a thousand years pining for someone. Edit: One other other thought, Machine Strike I didn't enjoy playing during the game, but if I had been able to play Machine Strike on my phone against the characters in game and won game items that way, I would have probably done that.
Only weapon you need is the drill spike.....fuck arrows
Man, it took me 105 hours to complete the story, and I I think my completion percentage was around 70% when I finished the story. It took me 118 hours to get the Platinum and my completion percentage is only around 84%. Colin at 75 hours and Ben at 72 hours to complete the story and have well over 65% completion sounds really fast.
Honestly about 3 or 4 of the things required to get the Platinum were tedious. I was not having fun at the end, with stuff like Machine Strike, or the races. I felt kind of 'meh' after getting the Plat, maybe I would have felt better if I had waited a week or so after finishing the story instead of just rushing through the rest of the trophies. It really felt like an open world Assassin's Creed at the end with just too many Rebel Camps that felt like rinse and repeat. I liked most of the side-quests, but I think Guerilla tried to put too much into this game. I agree with Colin, the trophy list was kind of lame.
You got burned out at the end because it wasn't meant to be done like that. Side content was meant to be completed organically along with the story. I had the same feeling clearing out a couple of rebel camps and finishing the races after doing the main story. Looking back, I should've done it when I stumbled upon it and not leaving it for later, then it probably wouldn't have felt tedious.
@@nine9_abyss I was level 50 at the end mission..I had done about 10 errands and 20 side quests before I finished the main mission..I had all the sidequest trophies except for the Alva one before finishing the main mission, how much more organically can it be done?
I agree with everything Colin Moriarty said it's an amazing games and should be treated as one
I’m in the middle of AC Valhalla and Ubisoft did the same with mocking Christian’s in that game as well . Every time a Christian would quote a passage they would be mocked and made to look stupid .
I really enjoyed this game until the last couple of hours. It isn’t without its issues, however. Vertical traversal is pretty abysmal. And I ended up almost never using melee combat unless I was forced into it, since it always felt so underpowered compared to ranged combat. But the vertical traversal is just broken. Regularly I had to move down a handhold and back up the same handhold to get Aloy to reach for the next handhold up. And there were often (VERY often) times when there was no logical reason I couldn’t move from one handhold to the next. The underwater stuff, while beautiful, really wasn’t all that necessary, either. Aside from those things (and the rare bug), I really enjoyed the game, though.
I thought the vertical climbing stuff was in some ways better this game than the first one, in that there were more different kinds of handholds so it looked and felt more natural. But I agree it had real troubles with actually getting off at the top of things, I would have to shift around to some magic spot where it would let me up, should have been a lot more forgiving or had a button to press that would say "let go of all handholds and just go up no matter what you think". Sometimes mid-climb I did have issues with moving between handholds, but that wasn't frequent for me.
What are the odds of Horizon games releasing both times right before huge genre defining games.
Next time will probably be vs GTA6
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Aria T’Loak in Mass Effect 2 and Mass Effect 3, she was amazing there as well!!
The pushback is mainly bc of the sameness of the game design. I have a strong feeling this game would be sqaurely in the good but not great category if Ubisoft would’ve made it. It follows the same tired formula to a t.
if ubisoft made HFW it would be a return to form and a huge needed highlight for them..same with ghost
This light years ahead of anything Ubisoft has made in the past 10 years. It would’ve been celebrated
the quen are Hawaiian not chinese
I usually agree with Colin but I just don't when it comes to Elden Ring. I love Elden Ring, it is some of the most fun I have ever had with a video game and I am ten hours in. Idk I sometimes feel like Colin doesn't get it. I'm not even a Souls fan and Elden Ring has me hooked and I can't bring myself to go back and start playing Horizon again. That's just my opinion though and of course his is totally valid, I just vehemently disagree with him lol. I think Elden Ring is absolutely incredible.
That's the problem, you're 10hrs in and you think ER is unfallable. Wait till you get to mid-late game in Elden Ring and see if you still see it in the same light.
@@nine9_abyss Nope I am actually closer to 40 hours in an love it
Wait, do people really consider Varl annoying? I actually thought that he was the heart of the entire group who glued them together. He had a previous friendly connection with Erend and Aloy, was in a relationship with Zo and became Beta's first actual friend. I also thought that he ans Aloy had a connection and aftre it turned out he's romantically involved with Zo it kinda seemed like Aloy was a bit sad about if as if he thought she missed her shot with him. I really enjoyed the character and his positive attitude and would consider him one of the best characters in the game. Was really hoping he'll pull through and actually saddened after I realised that they killed him off.. Was it just me? :V
I think Tilda wanted something to happen between her and Elisabet. If you completed the conversation with Tilda at her home it sounds like Elisabet and Tilda never had any relationship only that Tilda wanted more than Elisabet. She remarked that Elisabet saw Tilda as a mother figure. Nothing about a stronger deeper romantic relationship is really hinted at being reciprocated by Elisabet toward Tilda but it is made very clear that Tilda wanted Elisabet and Aloy, but not Beta.
Yea I felt like their relationship was more about Tilda's desire than mutual interest between both of them. I guess you could read their weekly 'meet-ups' as some kind of sexual relationship, but I think it's open to interpretation (intentionally?). Simply put, it was clear that Elisabet's interest in Tilda was fleeting at best and that Elisabet didn't really want a relationship with her.
I think this game muddies the waters on Elisabet's sexuality instead of clarifying things. I hope Aloy stays 'single' in the next game. I think her character is simply better as an asexual (sort of) person.
They did say that they were together. You have to speak to Tilda in the base before the final mission. She says her and Elisabet were “together” or something to that affect
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I did speak to Tilda going through all dialog. She didn't say they were a couple or hint that Elisabet and Tilda were romantically engaged. Tilda stated she wanted more fron Elisabet and the more she wanted the more distant Elisabet became. Doesn't sound like a relationship Elisabet wanted even from the perspective of Tilda's own retelling of their acquaintance-ship, friendship or possible deeper romantic entanglement. It really sounds like the former two options rather than the latter. As Colin stated why would the developers push for Elisabet to be homosexual only to make both of her clones straight if homosexuality is innate, immutable and rooted in genetics despite no evidence for such a deep bond to homosexuality and genetics even with evidence to the contrary existing in the real world? The developers probably learned of the research into such topics, but also perhaps wanted to tread lightly not to upset anyone in the L••• community (sometimes I actually cannot use the acronym without consequence on YT due to heavy-handed censorship, I wish that was a joke).
@@VariantAEC m.ruclips.net/video/1aVZGzB05mE/видео.html - watch this starting from the beginning. Aloy suggests they were more than friends, and Tilda explicitly says yes (..”we were together for a time”)… going on to explain that they would fly across the world just to see each other, coffee turned to drinks, etc. Pretty conclusive.
Also, how do we know that Aloy and Beta are straight? Neither has had a romantic relationship of any kind unless I’m missing something.
@@LOU429
Ok well fair enough then.
The sharpshoot bow was by far the strongest bow in the game. The hunter bow was weak
Not only that but you could buff tear ability to remove parts fast.
Loved Horizon 2. The Combat and graphics are just wow. I gotta give Elden ring the edge over it cause the open world structure and sense of discovery is game changing for me. Both fantastic at the end of the day.
Aloy was an interesting character in zero dawn beacuse everything she learned about the world and her self, we learned at the same time. + We could choose her reactions and give her the personality we wanted her to have. In forbidden west all that was gone. Talking to most characters gave you no more interesting info about the scifi story. It became so anoying that i just skiped everything characters had to say exept gaia and sylen. I wish they build this game without a campaign. It would be sick to freeroam and find clues to what has happened and learn more about everything. I tried to play it like this by removing the hud and didnt look at the map. But the story forced me to play the game the way they wanted and for me an open world is not needed for that type of campaign.
Couldn't disagree more. The story, the characters, their development and the conversations with them was one of the best parts for me. I fyou skiped the conversations you missed out on some good writing and well performed scenes. The growth that Aloy goes thorugh from the beginning to the end of the game simply great but also earned and gradual over time. From a lone wolf and a "I need to do it myself" to a team member and leader and a "I couldnt have done it without you". But that's just my take ;)
@@elrumcajs666 Dont get me wrong i really liked the game. I loved the concept of the story, maybe not the execution. For me GG focused on the wrong things. What was facinating about horizon was the mistery and the sci-fi elements. They focused more on populating the world instead of making the world more dynamic and making it the focus. Witch is what i fell in love with. The only uniqe and interesting tribe was the utaru. even their home has an amazing/mind blowing design. I would have rather GG spend the time on populating the world with even more cool robots instead of tribes. And i only skipped the dialogs beacuse i found it uninteresting. The zenith, sylen, gaia was the cool stuff i wanted more of. I am not sure i felt the groth you talk about. Aloy helpt anyone and everyone as she always has. And i really missed the option to choose her reaction. Anyway this became way longer then intended lol. I am glad you enjoyed the side storys more then i did.
@@pse2020 your opinion is just as valid, man. I'm glad you liked it overall. I get what you mean "mystery" element and was kinds afraid it will lack in that department, as we know what happened to the world. Thankfully the Far Zenith element took me by surprise and I loved it. I do agree it would be very cool to have a bit more of it though.. get to know the other Zenith's.. that was kind of a missed opportunity. But all in all I did enjoy the journey GG took me on with this one :)
@@elrumcajs666 One thing is clear GGs production value is insane and even their weakest game has had amazing moments so what ever they give us next i will probably play :)
@@pse2020 agree with the mystery lacking. Wish it was told more like HZD. They could of changed the way they told the Far Zenith story and given it more of a mystery revealing itself via exploring, holograms and audio logs like HZD. Revealing the fact they didn’t die, that something was approaching earth, finding out it’s them, that they figured out eternal life, and that there’s a greater enemy out there (which they also didn’t have to completely reveal to keep it mysterious). Instead it was very straight forward.
With all that said, I really enjoyed the game and this world. No game ever made me platinum it until this one. Just wish the story was told a bit more like the 1st one. 9/10. Thank you GG. Looking forward to the next one.
As per Aloy's sexuality,; Bisexual could explain away your confusions. She is attracted to the personality, not the gender of the person.
Would be absolutely mind blowing if Horizon 3 has time travel, and Aloy + Beta go back in time to meet their mother (to help them defeat Nemesis)
So sorry about spoiling Varls death. I got so embarrased and deleted my discord 😅
Did you not do the mission with the two sisters that gave you the spear one of the sister had autism it's a side mission when you go back to Vegas you find out Boomer
Just an observation but Forbidden West has an inordinate number of people under the lbgtq.... moniker. It was either a signal of virtue to curry favor with reviewers from the legacy games media or the future is very gay in relation to the current population. That said, I enjoyed the game immensely and the story was satisfying.
Weird observation about a game about robot dinosaurs but okay
Horizon to be fair at least gives a lore reason for it with most of the tribal humans being descendants of genetically engineered embryos from one of GAIA's subordinate functions.
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Not really that weird when the future population of gays is absurdly higher than that of today, sorry if observing things may have offended you. In addition it makes you ponder how this might relate to a contraction of the population.
@@lowerclassbrats77 Not offended in the slightest lol just trying to play devil's advocate.
I agree. The game industry has been more and more wasting energy focusing on this. Even though its a very small percentage of the population who wants that kind of content, they feel the need to force it into our games. I say they are forcing it because 9 times out of 10, it doesn't make sense and is clear virtue signaling. (Even though it hurts the games immersion. If I was one of the last people in the TLOU part 2 universe, I would think being lbgtxxxxxx... was a good evolutionary survival trait to have. Since apparently everyone is of a similar persuasion in an apocalypse...lol.)
"Down syndrome aesthetic"
This tickled me.
tried so hard to like the game, 70 hours was looking for interesting things but overall just wasn't feeling it
I really enjoyed Horizon and I agree that there’s some kind of pushback on the game due to the release of Elden Ring. Dustin has mentioned in the past that From Soft fans are unbearable at times and I really feel that there’s some kind of snobbery from fans of that genre.
It is okay to enjoy both games. Elden Ring is fantastic and the best game for me since owning a PS5 but the flaws that just go unmentioned in comparison to Horizon’s flaws being highlighted is crazy to me.
Just finished up HFW today, and man what an amazing game. I can't wait for the vr spinoff and I am so excited to see how the inevitable third game turns out.
I well and truly loved this game. My favourite PS5 game and one of my favourite games of all time. I had a mostly smooth, visually stunning experience on PS5. The comparisons to Elden Ring are unfair, because besides being an open world it's not even the same type of game.
I was blown away by the story and dialogue quality; I truly wasn't expecting this direction at all. It's one of the few open world game designs that I couldn't believe I was seeing. Last time I felt that was with Division 2 (which I first played on Xbox One X in 4K), another game with a visually incredible open world. So much of Forbidden West is charming; from the Vegas story to the introduction of the Quen, the latter of which really 'opened' up the world even more.
I mentioned before that I had issues with Aloy herself in the beginning, and I maintain that. I nearly hated the game as a result, and as Ben mentioned; the Bulwark section was so absurd. But with time, Aloy matured as her companion group grew. Honestly, by the final mission they were trading quips in an almost Uncharted style, which I adored.
Finally, I thought the gameplay was fantastic. Some of the robot fights are seriously challenging, especially the Slaughterspine. The melee combat felt good, so I highly spec'd that tree, as well as the Ranged combat. I'm SO excited for what's coming in the next game.
The Horizon character animations were turned to 11. Characters having a conversation and one is looking down or off into a distance. Not talking like human beings through eye contact. Alva is one of the most annoying PlayStation video game characters.
This. And many re-purposed character models. I think I saw the model for Ulvund like 4 times
I didn't understand how everyone living in small communities were still visually multi ethnic rather than blended. This would imply romantic segregation on racial lines which would be gross. I think a backlash against a lack representation made the developers take the quiet road IRL instead of the one displaying a lack of racial tension in game.
Well it's stated that Hades nuked the world 3 times in the 900 years that occurred since the first tribes emerged from the Eleuthia raised babies so I guess there would have been numerous resets.
@@battlep0t Good point, I didn't think of that
Game is eye Candy, thats it... not much else
i knew elden ring would throw this game to the wind also dosent help when devs who made this game talk trash about elden ring
Lol poser
My problems with the game were with the story and writing. The cast was boring, the dialogue was cringe, and the plot was predictable. It very much does feel like a checklist open world RPG. I feel like I’ve played this game countless times before. It doesn’t take any risks creatively. I’m happy to see the game flop because Sony will have to take a look at why it wasn’t a success and hopefully stop making games like this. I wouldn’t at all compare it to the last of us part 2 because that game took creative risks and should be applauded for doing so.
How do you know it flopped exactly?
@@kevinkijowski5980 industry analysts have pointed out that they’ve yet to release sales numbers which at this point for Sony is strange. It’s also fallen to the 8th (U.S.) and 9th (EU) spots on the PlayStation store only in its second month. I think it’s unfair to compare this game to Elden Ring from a content perspective but from a sales perspective it’s fair game. Compared to Elden Ring this game is a flop to Sony especially considering the development costs it would have taken to make a game like Horizon. Internally they have to be looking at the success of their competitor and ask why they weren’t as successful.
@@MrBrightside390 I would say still being in the top 10 after 2 months isn't flopping. Most games fall out of that ranking in 2 months. Also I don't think it's actually fair to compare ER and FW sales wise either considering ER was on six platforms compared to two.
All of that is my own opinion of course. I'm just pointing out you can't say a game flopped like it is absolute fact by going off what analyst and charts without the actual numbers which constitutes what Sony considers a "flop"
@@kevinkijowski5980 it’s a flop get over it
@@MrBrightside390 I'm just pointing out your making conclusions based on what people have said and a numbered chart which dosen't tell you anything definitive without factual numbers to work with. That means your just making an assumption.
Also Jim Ryan, in his own words, called returnal a mega hit while only selling half a million copies so using that metric FW is a success for Sony. Even then though that's only me making an assumption.
Aloy/Sobec could be bisexual, I don't know why that didn't occur to you ;)
Should always do this with at least 1 person who has a different opinion about you. I thought the game was boring a horrible story and the worst kind of checklist game. Would love to see different views talked about. I feel that’s a major flaw of this Chanel almost all the time it’s Colin’s side kicks all agreeing with him.
Man Colin is really trying to sell this game for some reason.......Elden Ring time tho
Lol I don’t get why he’s so butt hurt about it
you are crazy lol elden ring slaughters this game so did breath of the wild and you just said far cry is better than elden ring you are crazy
he just hating at that point...u cant judge elden ring after playing it 20h ..lost all credibility
@@RelaxingD cant judge a game after playing it for 20 hours? Yep fromsoft fans are unbearable thanks for confirming
@@4getmenot182 your troll hunting is unbearable
@@RelaxingD This is really weird conclusion. I have played, enjoyed, finished and even platinumed some previous fromsoftware games. And I was a part of Elden Ring Network test back in November. After my experience over those five days, I have decided not to buy Elden Ring. It is absolutely enough to make your opinion in 4-6-8 hrs.
As another example, I have played Biomutant last week for about 4 hrs, uninstalled it and sold the disk. EZ
@@RelaxingD Why not? Xbots and Fromfigs have been trashing HFW after playing 20 minutes, for weeks now.
I'm just now getting around to this game.
I find it funny, hypocritical, just stupid that Colin, a guy who has said he's fed the F up with open world games PRAISE this bland 2012 feeling game.
I mean seriously, it feels more like DLC for the first game than a new game.
It looks good, it plays better, but it's like just patching the first game.
The NPC interactions are just as bad. They talk for half an hour and the options are just talk more.
Talking options don't affect anything I can tell, it's just get more context in the most bloated way possible. Like if I asked "where is the door" an NPC in this game would tell me a long winded story about how the door was made, who made it, what decisions lead to the door being made, who selected the design of the door, but didn't tell me "down the hall on the right."
The game also does things that are un-intuitive. Like climbing, it's limited, wonky, and even with the yellow guides on doesn't work like it should.
It's like they spent more time on making NPCs and animation that making a new fresh game that felt like a sequel.
I didn't like it, and again, everything Colin bitches about in openworld games is present and at times doubled down on in this game.
Side quests, Colin bitches to no end about too many side quests, this game has too Fucking meaningless side quests that serve no purpose.
Person missing, find person, get thanked, resources added.
WTF
The praise for this game feels biased and unjustified.
If you like games that feel, play, and are made like they were 10-15 years ago, cool. But don't sit there telling me that it's great and an improvement.
Maybe Elizabeth Sobek and Aloy are Bisexual. Until Varl got together with Zo, I thought there was something going on between Varl and Aloy. If you read a bunch of the data points, and talk to a bunch of side characters though, I swear they made about 80% of the characters in this game gay. I think they went a little overboard with that.
Yeah ps trophies are getting way too easy. This is where accessibility is a bad thing. Appealing to the lowest common denominator hinders and sometimes can ruin a game. Even eleven ring suffers from this. It's by far the easiest souls game. Sekiro is still the king
Horrible game that one could only like if they are a Sony fanboy
I enjoyed the game and completed it after 50hrs. But you can’t deny the political leanings of the developer. I felt like I was playing a game written by Kotaku and characters check-list casted by Hollywood.
If this was a Japanese style game, like Colin keeps saying, Aloy would not look like this and there would be no trans characters.
complains how people beat Horizon to fast and played 20h of the far superior Elden Ring...🤣.....i thought he is a respected guy in the industry? and yes played and platinumed both games...Horizon does not even sniff on Elden Ring...but still an ok game
Game was boring like the first. Very beautiful but forgettable in everyway.