We don't know it if we don't go to mountain pass. I only knew that there is a twist in githyanki story after beating the game and talking to friends. Like, the game told me that i have two options: underdark or mountain pass. I went through underdark. It never came to my mind to check the second route as well, i thought reaching act 2 was the goal by any of the 2 ways
Actually the current Vlaakith is not the original Vlaakith, the current one is like a 1500 year old Lich but she is the 157th Vlaakith and the previous ones were just normal Gith and not God-empress soul eater Lich queens
@@lumberluc Or the aid of a certain wizard recently ascended to godhood with powerful ties, such as the most powerful wizard in all of the realms and the creator of the Weave herself. Plus, we can defeat both Sarevok Anchev and Rafael at lvl 12 max. We don't really need lvl 20...but it would be nice to be able to attain it
@@ApexStudio1024 We are NOT asking Mystara. She's as much of a b**** as Vlaakith. But if we are going to ask her... what will we provide in exchange? I have no knowledge on Soul to Weave transmutation, nor doing a double-duty on getting another entity off her back
@@lumberluc Better her than asking someone like Raphael 👀 Depending on your choices, we already "gave" her something. Defeating the Elder Brain benefitted all of the gods. Hells, they owe your PC their continued existence. None of them should deny you help now defeating Vlaakith if you asked
@@ApexStudio1024 The Elder Brain would be considered a "Minor Inconvenience" to these "Gods". Its only when there are God-Killers that they panic. And Agreed on Raphael. I hate how I had to kill his hound for Astarion to get answers. And if I did his hound a favor by killing the last of the Dark Justicers, Raphael comes along and tricks him into service again, thus nullifying the deal between Him and Astarion.
@TravisSuter yea i watched it again and slowed it down as well. I didnt hear or see "run". However the mouth did move a bit and i did hear a slight chuckle. Not sure how to read that
Wither: "I askt thou once: what is the value of a single life? For many of the Gith, it can be measured: a single evening's supper for the Lich Queen."
Hence, their blind arseholes. However, my concern is that Vlakith keeps coming back. That one is a Clone. Wherever her phalyctory is, it must be destroyed.
@@lumberluc to be clear she isn't a clone -- the Vlakiths that preceded her were all different people than the original Vlakith. When each assumed the Queenship, they also assumed her name. As though the name Vlakith was also a title. This last Vlakith has simply became a lich, hence ending that cycle as she is now an undead immortal.
@@Minorheadlines You sure, bud? The 1st Vlaakith did seal Orpheus up, but that's all we're told on that front. We were told by Orpheus that she's Vlaakith 158. Which gives us a hint she's not immortal. But it also does give us a hint that whichever Vlaakith this, its died multiple times. Now, true, in the lore we're told that 158 is a direct descendant of the 1st, but how easy is it to manipulate history in Qing Dynasty of China that their the 1st and there's no one else? That's how I see Vlaakith, "There's me, and only me!"
I think it was pretty easy to read between the dialogue lines and realize Vlaakith did enslave Githyanki. Different, unrelated sources told us this: the Emperor, Voss, and later Orpheus himself all state it. If anyone actually still chose to have her ascend hoping it would be a good ending they missed all the hints.
Yo I missed all this. I actually didn't know what happen to her I thought this was a good thing but the cut scene had me thinking. Now I even feel way worse, she was my homie
This is how i felt about letting shadowheart become shars puppet, letting astarion go from abused to abuser, letting leazel get consumed, etc. Its all sad for me
@@MinorheadlinesYou say that, and the more I think about it, the more it feels true. Wyll being treated as a personal playmate by a sadistic cambion, Gale being coerced into a relationship with a goddess, only to be thrown away for not knowing better… The church of Illmater clawing for hope as a flippant detective tosses a murdered refugee under the bus, Balduran killing a loving servant out of selfishness, even the goblins switching from tyrant to tyrant because it’s all they know.
i see no such problem with astarion though, his fate is simply not as tragic as others' - he gets what he wants after all. plus he is pretty right about 1) freeing so many spawns would be being detrimental to the city and 2) they hardly have anything worth living for. the only reason why i didnt let him ascend in my second plythrough is because my oc is an elf and corellon worshipper, ie someone who clings to life against all odds and doesnt understand the concept of "mercy kill"
@@pagan-ni-ni I honestly see Astarion's fate as immensely tragic. Ultimately when everything is said and done, when the adventure is over and people go home, his cycle of abuse starts again. This time he may not have a 'master' vampire telling him to do it but he will still feed and still hunt. His hunger will break him and sooner or later and then he is just another monster that other adventurers will seek to kill.
@@pagan-ni-ni it’s clearly stated that all the spawn that was released went to under dark instead of staying in Baldurs gate, even the ones that stays in Baldurs gate are the children of the gur which they’re taking good care of and make sure they don’t kill randomly
Shit. I skipped the creche my first playthrough because the messages the game gives you before crossing into that area spooked me away. So, Voss never knew about Lae'zel, never learned we had the prism, and fucked off for the rest of the game. When Vlaakith confronted us in camp, I also failed the wisdom check to read her intentions, and got scolded for it, so I just let Lae'zel do what she wanted. I never learned what ascension really meant! So, it's technically possible to just bad-luck-bumble your way into letting Vlaakith eat our favorite froggy.
I have not seen the epilogue get, and have not finished the game. Why am I here now then, watching spoilers? It is because no matter how much I like or dislike Laezel, I will never let her ascend and this scene will never happen in any of my future playthroughs no matter what. Vlaakith can eat shit
this scene is incredibly sad but holy shit, how did they make this "ascension" cutscene hit so hard? even compared to many of the other ending cutscenes or important moments in the basegame, the little micro expressions of the characters here, the way the light falls upon them, it all looks so high quality, all for a scene that most people probably will never see. so awesome
@@andresespana3216 Because Vlaakith is scared of Orpheus. Vlaakith has duped every Gith into worshipping her and thinking that ascension is the end all, be all for every Gith. Orpheus is the only one we know of that can stand against that Lich Queen.
It's accually better for the Gith to let Laezel lead the rebellion instead of Orpheus. Orpheus himself is the Son of Mother Gith, a Leader that stopped the illithid empire so the Githyanki would be free to conquer all Planets. Orpheus would most likely honour that Legacy leading us into another war.
Im on an evil run. The things I've done and what others have done with me, atleast we'll get what we deserve. I, a throne and a few pawns. Gale: alliteration by his god. Astarian: ascension. Shadowheart: Less parents. Lae'zel: an invitation to a dinner for 2 with a single chair.
Bad news for githyanki maybe, but good news for everyone else. Keeping this bloodthirsty a Conquering race weak makes them easily occupied with fighting mindflayers and not conquering all of faerun. That creche was proof of that. Slaughtering all of Lathander’s faithful so the frogs could infest in it…abominations…. They are aliens from outer space who would conquer us if giventhe chance
You don't have to. I did few evil runs and never get this ending. You can stab karlach or the emporer at the end instead and get the true badass ending
dude imagine just imagine a DLC of the rebellion against Vlaakith. I mean it would be completely impossible bc it wouldn't account for so many other endings and obviously Larian isn't gonna make post game content on every single outcome but good god imagine fighting her best warriors alongside laezel and a brutal fight against vlaakith at the end
Well, all githyanki are evil…even orpheus. And itwas Gith who made the pact not Vlaakith. It is just that Vlaakith keeps the githyanki weak. Gith was a tyrant that wanted to enslave others…you think her son is any different? I would say it would be in our best interest to keep vlaakith in power…if she eats her best warriors good for us.
@@nathanieljefferies5491 Orpheus is not evil. And Vlaakith decieved Gith and gave her to Tiamat in exchange of the dragons. This was what caused Orpheus to rebel.
@@juanlaise1059 umm gith was the one who made a pact with tiamat…plus gith was pretty much an expansionist who sought to subjugate everyone…vlaakith just usurped that and she just sucks at it. Quedenos confirms it. Plus if gith had her way, she would be much more brutal to the rest of the realms. Her son cleverly never addresses this. And upon first freeing him he thinks just like gith. Putting orpheus in power will only be beneficial for githyanki. And disastrous for the rest of toriil. The only reason the gith never tried to outwardly invade faerun is cause vlaakith’s incompetence and active culling of strong githyanki keeps them too weak and easily preoccupied with mindflayers.
@@nathanieljefferies5491 I am pretty sure that wasn't the case, based on the three records you hear of Orpheus story. All that was known was that Gith and Vlaakith went to see Tiamat and Vlaakith came back alone, suppsedly with news that Gith chose her as her successor. She sacrificed Gith to Tiamat in exchange for the dragons. Orpheus learnt the truth and rebelled.
@@nathanieljefferies5491 "Praise be to my mother Gith, the Queen of the One Sky, sacrificed to the Hells by the renegade Vlaakith!" These are Orpheus words in one of the records.
When Vlaakith tells her that she could be Baht'a'Vlaakith. I like to think that's translated to "Part of Vlaakith". Since she consumes the githyaanki that were promised "ascension".
What is there to expand? She just dies in that scene. Vlakith literally gobbles the souls of those who "ascend". That phylactery of hers must be fueled somehow
This run I'm on now I wanted to romance Lae'zel and try her new ending out. Thanks for posting this because I am absolutely never doing this ending, lol. Poor Lae'zel, Vlakith is awful
@@BovineGirl3 Firm belief that the strong always survive, and the weak will die. Yet, this version ignores how Vlaakith is a weakling. Always taking, never giving.
@@lumberluc True, but at least Lae'zel unlearns that teaching and became a better person. A lot of people do ignore the fact Lae'zel is one of the fewest nicer giths, any other giths that were in her place would've just killed your character and/or all the companions.
If you think this is bad you should think about what Vlaakith probably did to Gith... She was sent to negotiate with Tiamat and never returned, but now Vlaakith gets the service of Githyanki/Dragon hybrids...
People love to harp on and on about how evil the Illithids are, but they never bother to notice how utterly evil the Gith are as well. Genocidal fanatics with a superiority complex to rival any seen by any video game enemy faction, but it gets overlooked because Illithids look like Cthulhu monsters. The Illithid Empire must never return, but a Gith Empire would be just as bad, if not possibly worse. The best thing to be done is lock them in a civil war in which their racial pride will never recover, kill Orpheus and set Lae'zel on the path of rebellion against Vlaakith. Their awful race will kill itself while the Illithids regain their strength, and the three factions will keep each other contained. Survival at its finest, as a certain Emperor would call it. Always looking out for "us," even looking a few decades into the future.
So true. Nobody can tell, if Orpheus' Githyanki (led by him or his new "paladin" Lae'zel) would be a better option or the multiverse or Faerûn than Vlakith. At least one knows how bad, evil and corrupted she is, nobody knows if Orpheus wouldn't be an even greater tyrant. Best outcome for Lae'zel might be someday joining the ranks of the Githerai (in one ending she is going to negotiate an alliance with them) together with her remaining rebels - but I must admit my knowledge about the Githerai is far to limited to judge this option.
@@ReisskIaueMost likely not as the Githzerai have a completely different culture and lifestyle to the Githyanki (Githzerai are monastic psychics whom steel their minds and create pocket islands of order within Limbo) and they have a long and bitter hatred over each other from the long scarring of their slavery of the illithids and from different philosophical ideals (the githzerai follow Zerthimon, another leader who challenged Gith's motive for revenge and kicked started the long-lasting civil war/feud). I think that if in the ending either is wirh Orpheus or leads the rebellion herself she pulls off the negotiations with her githzerai cousins (which may prove difficult as the Githzerai don't trust those that are not a part of them) it just might gain a decently steady (or unsteady depending on how you look at it) alliance between the two groups.
Vlaakith is a lich who absorbs other Githyanki's souls / life essence to empower her own. Her goal is to ascend to godhood through this method. But I wonder if Ao will even let her because even if she gets there Ao decides if she can or cannot become a god now. He changed the rules before Bane, Bhaal, and Murkal when Jergal just gave it all up to them freely. So my guess is he will just slap her back down to being a lich. Because anyone that Ao denies godhood to becomes a lich in the end anyhow. Side effect of seeking godhood.
@@AloofOof For the most part he doesn't but you still have to have Ao's approval to be a God, nobody ascends to Godhood without his approval with the only exception being Karsus which Ao didn't care since his Godhood lasted under 5 minutes. God of the Gods for a reason.
So... the husks of previous githyanki warriors are there. Why are they still moving, and watching Laezel? I really hope there's a way to fight Vlaakith and free the lost-souls (assuming they're not 'used up').
Did you choose the "bad" ending for your main or something? There's a whole campground party scene that's playable after the ending if you "do the right steps"
@@dudea3378 I finished the game before the Update where the post-game campground was introduced came out. When I loaded an older safefile and played the last mission again I got the camp as well.
This scene is so heartbreaking. Her hope, her pride; it's all there in her eyes. Then, when she sees the esteemed husks of previously ascended Githyankis, she falters.. only to reinstill herself with her unshakable faith. "No. I will not believe the lies. I have served my queen, and I shall ascended as is my right." only for our baby girl, friend and companion to not only lose her life, but have her own soul consumed as ammunition for her queen's pursuit of Godhood, leaving her not only dead, but removed from existence as if she never was. Tragedy :'(
Larian didn't hold back, I love it. This level of freedom in game with so many branching paths, I've only heard about them from BG3 but man it's incredible to not solely be forced into the generic routes.
Odd I was under the impression Vlaakith only absorbed Githyanki who were at level 16 or level 17. Max level Lae'zel can get to in this game is level 12. Seems a little odd for an ending honestly.
I believe that particular detail has changed over the years from one edition to the next. Don't quote me 100% certain but I think at one point it was even stated 11th level (it may have been 13th).
@George_M_ Exactly. There's several reasons Vlaakith would choose to remove Bae'zel as a threat. She knows about Orpheus, knows the "cure" for being infected with a tadpole is death, and knows Vlaakith is a scheming, lying, power-hungry despot. She's also got very, very powerful friends. From Vlaakith's standpoint it's best to just nip that threat in the bud and tie up a loose end.
I don't subscribe to the idea of bad/good endings. Only interesting and uninteresting. I find this ending to be quite compelling! The deceit of Vlaakith is awesome to behold.
Lae'zel has only herself to blame. She had enough information to see beyond Vlaakith's empty promises, but the thirst for glory and recognition blinded her to the truth.
@@raistlin3462 one interesting thing is that she chooses to stay in Faerûn even when she's aligned with Vlaakith in the end. It takes lots of persuasion checks to send her away
Bad or Good isn't dictated by you alone. its a communal effort. A shocker that most people that dealt with her enough to wake her up notices the loss in potential when she's eaten before the husks of her predecessors. Though I applaud Larian for this result despite the copious amounts of warnings to the player.
@@koju-kin I dunno about communal effort as much as individual assumption. "Bad" and "good" are just too simple for me, especially in a game where it's reasonable that a non-evil approach can lead to some arguably kinda evil results and vis versa.
@@frizzman1991 I am not debating the result of evil or good choices nor its meaning. Simply MORE people feel a certain way toward this ending instead of mixing said terms with compelling and uncompelling.
Freeing Orpheus has nothing to do with this ending. All you need to do to avoid this is convince Lae'zel of Vlaakith being evil/not a God through dialog options, basically just plant seeds of doubt in Vlaak and undermined her when you can to Lae'zel.
Well, it is a good ending for me, the frog got what she wanted. And the githyanki empire will eat itself easy with vlaakith slowing weakening it for her own purposes. A free githyanki empire just means they are more efficient at conquering. Gith was a monster but at least Vlaakith is bad at conquering. Orpheus, the son of gith most likely would have continued his foul mothers’ filthy legacy and eventually turn against us just to make more slaves off istik.
The best thing to do is let gale sacrifice himself. He wants to do it for his goddess so let him go be happy. That way nobody turns into a mindflare. All you have to do is get the tadpole from the emperor.. tell the Emperor you will have to think about it and then go talk to everybody. Ask gale if he is sure he will use the orb. then tell the Emperor you will use the tadpole if the orb fails Which will appease him.. make sure you have Laezal in your party that way when he tries to kill Orpheus she will stop it and you can side with with her and then Orpheus won’t turn you into a mind flare right away because you will have the tadpole from the emperor so he automatically thinks you will do it if you have to. But don’t be fooled when the last scene happens because when he looks at you, he sees a mind flare, but that’s just the way he sees you because he is a god. At the end of the scene you will be your mortal self. My favorite ending is to sacrifice gale in the third act. The only downside is the orb might destroy his soul as well, but nobody knows. So there is a chance he can’t be reincarnated. I just don’t believe Mistra would let that happen. I’m on my fifth play through and I’m doing the dark urge for the first time and I am having a ball with it. The way I like to end the game is different from other people. But I thought I would at least try to help some of those who don’t want to be a mindflare at all.
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I dont know why but there's something darkly hilarious about even withers going "Dude what the fuck" when you joke about frog legs
"Like, I know you're both Ghaik and Bhaalspawn now but that was simply uncalled for"
Letting Lae'zel ascend is absolutely brutal. Feel like we spend have the game talking about how Vlaakith eats people.
We don't know it if we don't go to mountain pass. I only knew that there is a twist in githyanki story after beating the game and talking to friends. Like, the game told me that i have two options: underdark or mountain pass. I went through underdark. It never came to my mind to check the second route as well, i thought reaching act 2 was the goal by any of the 2 ways
@@viv12348I thought if you dont go there Laezel leaves the party.
@@viv12348it's in a bunch of the gith record books too, only two of which are in the mountain pass. I assume you never read them.
You can skip all of mountain pass and the narrative kinda tells you that you should.
@@AleksandrStrizhevskiy you can convince her to stay
Githiyankis break free from livestock slavery only to become food for another malicious entity.
One of their own people no less. Oh the irony. If only they heed the warning of the githzerai.
So does Vlaakith just consume their souls and leave them as loyal undead husks as her servants? Lol
@@Mirage4492 Vlaakith also uses them as Wish conduits, since Wish has a chance to permanently ban the spellcaster from using it again.
Actually the current Vlaakith is not the original Vlaakith, the current one is like a 1500 year old Lich but she is the 157th Vlaakith and the previous ones were just normal Gith and not God-empress soul eater Lich queens
that’s why i will always try to free orpheus !! gith deserve to be free, man
When you get an invite to dinner and there's only one chair...
Even Withers dislikes seeing Lae'zel ending up being consumed by Vlaakith
Then, we need a DLC to fight Vlaakith. But that requires the crew to be level 20, and a ride to the Astral Plane
@@lumberluc Or the aid of a certain wizard recently ascended to godhood with powerful ties, such as the most powerful wizard in all of the realms and the creator of the Weave herself.
Plus, we can defeat both Sarevok Anchev and Rafael at lvl 12 max. We don't really need lvl 20...but it would be nice to be able to attain it
@@ApexStudio1024 We are NOT asking Mystara. She's as much of a b**** as Vlaakith. But if we are going to ask her... what will we provide in exchange?
I have no knowledge on Soul to Weave transmutation, nor doing a double-duty on getting another entity off her back
@@lumberluc Better her than asking someone like Raphael 👀
Depending on your choices, we already "gave" her something. Defeating the Elder Brain benefitted all of the gods. Hells, they owe your PC their continued existence. None of them should deny you help now defeating Vlaakith if you asked
@@ApexStudio1024 The Elder Brain would be considered a "Minor Inconvenience" to these "Gods". Its only when there are God-Killers that they panic.
And Agreed on Raphael. I hate how I had to kill his hound for Astarion to get answers. And if I did his hound a favor by killing the last of the Dark Justicers, Raphael comes along and tricks him into service again, thus nullifying the deal between Him and Astarion.
Githiyankis trying to scream the word RUN but cannot. Its a sad day for Lae'zel.
Where is it stated or known that they are trying to scream "Run"? I don't see any of that.
@@JTSuter They cant they are just souless husks.
@@mr_girr3488 that’s what I thought. I don’t know what the OP is on about.
@TravisSuter yea i watched it again and slowed it down as well. I didnt hear or see "run". However the mouth did move a bit and i did hear a slight chuckle. Not sure how to read that
@@JTSuter joke: a thing that someone says to cause amusement or laughter
Wither: "I askt thou once: what is the value of a single life? For many of the Gith, it can be measured: a single evening's supper for the Lich Queen."
Hence, their blind arseholes.
However, my concern is that Vlakith keeps coming back. That one is a Clone. Wherever her phalyctory is, it must be destroyed.
@@lumberlucThat’d be an awesome dlc
@@lumberluc to be clear she isn't a clone -- the Vlakiths that preceded her were all different people than the original Vlakith. When each assumed the Queenship, they also assumed her name. As though the name Vlakith was also a title. This last Vlakith has simply became a lich, hence ending that cycle as she is now an undead immortal.
@@Minorheadlines You sure, bud? The 1st Vlaakith did seal Orpheus up, but that's all we're told on that front.
We were told by Orpheus that she's Vlaakith 158. Which gives us a hint she's not immortal. But it also does give us a hint that whichever Vlaakith this, its died multiple times.
Now, true, in the lore we're told that 158 is a direct descendant of the 1st, but how easy is it to manipulate history in Qing Dynasty of China that their the 1st and there's no one else? That's how I see Vlaakith, "There's me, and only me!"
@@lumberluc I believe so -- forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Vlaakith_CLVII
I think it was pretty easy to read between the dialogue lines and realize Vlaakith did enslave Githyanki. Different, unrelated sources told us this: the Emperor, Voss, and later Orpheus himself all state it. If anyone actually still chose to have her ascend hoping it would be a good ending they missed all the hints.
To be fair, if you don't find the Creche, you never hear about most of this and it's a fairly high DC to persuade Lae'zel not to ascend.
Yo I missed all this. I actually didn't know what happen to her I thought this was a good thing but the cut scene had me thinking. Now I even feel way worse, she was my homie
@@charlottearanea7507 I’m a but confused how people miss the Crèche. Not even being rude… but you only have to continue on the path.
It’s not reading between the lines. Voss and Orpheus literally tell you everything
@@JamesCourse66 You rescue Halsin - follow the underdark's path - go the cursed zone - go to Baldur's Gate.
I like this ending even more. It only makes me want to protect her from Vlaakith.
💯 My first play through was a Gith and I did everything I could to make sure Lae'zel knew how evil Vlakith was. 😯
@@forsaken650Same, but this ending is magnificent. Time to replay.
This is how i felt about letting shadowheart become shars puppet, letting astarion go from abused to abuser, letting leazel get consumed, etc. Its all sad for me
Honestly that is what the game is truly about -- Power dynamics between the Powerful and the powerless.
@@MinorheadlinesYou say that, and the more I think about it, the more it feels true. Wyll being treated as a personal playmate by a sadistic cambion, Gale being coerced into a relationship with a goddess, only to be thrown away for not knowing better… The church of Illmater clawing for hope as a flippant detective tosses a murdered refugee under the bus, Balduran killing a loving servant out of selfishness, even the goblins switching from tyrant to tyrant because it’s all they know.
i see no such problem with astarion though, his fate is simply not as tragic as others' - he gets what he wants after all. plus he is pretty right about 1) freeing so many spawns would be being detrimental to the city and 2) they hardly have anything worth living for. the only reason why i didnt let him ascend in my second plythrough is because my oc is an elf and corellon worshipper, ie someone who clings to life against all odds and doesnt understand the concept of "mercy kill"
@@pagan-ni-ni I honestly see Astarion's fate as immensely tragic. Ultimately when everything is said and done, when the adventure is over and people go home, his cycle of abuse starts again.
This time he may not have a 'master' vampire telling him to do it but he will still feed and still hunt. His hunger will break him and sooner or later and then he is just another monster that other adventurers will seek to kill.
@@pagan-ni-ni it’s clearly stated that all the spawn that was released went to under dark instead of staying in Baldurs gate, even the ones that stays in Baldurs gate are the children of the gur which they’re taking good care of and make sure they don’t kill randomly
Shit. I skipped the creche my first playthrough because the messages the game gives you before crossing into that area spooked me away. So, Voss never knew about Lae'zel, never learned we had the prism, and fucked off for the rest of the game. When Vlaakith confronted us in camp, I also failed the wisdom check to read her intentions, and got scolded for it, so I just let Lae'zel do what she wanted. I never learned what ascension really meant! So, it's technically possible to just bad-luck-bumble your way into letting Vlaakith eat our favorite froggy.
I didn't know Laezel could stay in your party if you skip the creche.
thats the bad ending.
I have not seen the epilogue get, and have not finished the game. Why am I here now then, watching spoilers? It is because no matter how much I like or dislike Laezel, I will never let her ascend and this scene will never happen in any of my future playthroughs no matter what. Vlaakith can eat shit
same here watching spoilers about choices I would never make xd
this scene is incredibly sad but holy shit, how did they make this "ascension" cutscene hit so hard? even compared to many of the other ending cutscenes or important moments in the basegame, the little micro expressions of the characters here, the way the light falls upon them, it all looks so high quality, all for a scene that most people probably will never see. so awesome
I had a Lae'zel but then I eated her
Hence why sparing Orpheus and preventing him from becoming a Mind Flayer was the best option I know of.
why would you prevent orpheus from becoming a mind flayer? Going for that final rn
@@andresespana3216 Because Vlaakith is scared of Orpheus. Vlaakith has duped every Gith into worshipping her and thinking that ascension is the end all, be all for every Gith.
Orpheus is the only one we know of that can stand against that Lich Queen.
@@lumberlucCan you free Orpheus and also get this ending?
@@ThatFont I haven't tried that, since it would require me to be a dick and fuack up Lae'zel's loyalties
It's accually better for the Gith to let Laezel lead the rebellion instead of Orpheus.
Orpheus himself is the Son of Mother Gith, a Leader that stopped the illithid empire so the Githyanki would be free to conquer all Planets.
Orpheus would most likely honour that Legacy leading us into another war.
Im on an evil run. The things I've done and what others have done with me, atleast we'll get what we deserve.
I, a throne and a few pawns.
Gale: alliteration by his god.
Astarian: ascension.
Shadowheart: Less parents.
Lae'zel: an invitation to a dinner for 2 with a single chair.
You killed Wyll, Halesin, and Karlach, didn't you?
@@lumberluc Jaheira and Minsc, too, I'd bet. DEFINITELY Minthara.
@@Resi1ience Full Dark Urge? Ah.
love that description - an invitation to a dinner for 2 with a single chair.
Shadowheart killing her parents isn't evil. Neither is freeing them. Both options suck, which is the point. Shar is a bitch.
letting Lae'zel go through with this was NEVER an option imo, Vlaakith is real bad news, just like darth sidious.
Bad news for githyanki maybe, but good news for everyone else. Keeping this bloodthirsty a
Conquering race weak makes them easily occupied with fighting mindflayers and not conquering all of faerun. That creche was proof of that. Slaughtering all of Lathander’s faithful so the frogs could infest in it…abominations…. They are aliens from outer space who would conquer us if giventhe chance
BG4: Rise of the Lich Queen?
Never saw this, I avoided it in my first playthrough when I convinced her to stay… glad I did that’s brutal
God I want to do an evil durge run but doing this to Lae’zel just seems to be too much for me
You don't have to. I did few evil runs and never get this ending. You can stab karlach or the emporer at the end instead and get the true badass ending
dude imagine just imagine a DLC of the rebellion against Vlaakith. I mean it would be completely impossible bc it wouldn't account for so many other endings and obviously Larian isn't gonna make post game content on every single outcome but good god imagine fighting her best warriors alongside laezel and a brutal fight against vlaakith at the end
Agreed, it’s creepy and the worst ending for her
Is it the worst? As a fanatic, she hardly minds dying for her idol.
@@TovKafur As you can see, some people agree, so i can't be wrong ;)
@@MoonsongReverb What's the connection between two lol
@@MoonsongReverb. You and all of them can be wrong, actually.
Don't be arrogant.
maybe from human perspective but githanki think more like bee hive
'Right, I'm good now. Sorry.'
What did you expect from a tyrannical lich that made a pact with an evil dragon goddess?
Well, all githyanki are evil…even orpheus. And itwas Gith who made the pact not Vlaakith. It is just that Vlaakith keeps the githyanki weak. Gith was a tyrant that wanted to enslave others…you think her son is any different? I would say it would be in our best interest to keep vlaakith in power…if she eats her best warriors good for us.
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Orpheus is not evil.
And Vlaakith decieved Gith and gave her to Tiamat in exchange of the dragons. This was what caused Orpheus to rebel.
@@juanlaise1059 umm gith was the one who made a pact with tiamat…plus gith was pretty much an expansionist who sought to subjugate everyone…vlaakith just usurped that and she just sucks at it. Quedenos confirms it. Plus if gith had her way, she would be much more brutal to the rest of the realms. Her son cleverly never addresses this. And upon first freeing him he thinks just like gith. Putting orpheus in power will only be beneficial for githyanki. And disastrous for the rest of toriil. The only reason the gith never tried to outwardly invade faerun is cause vlaakith’s incompetence and active culling of strong githyanki keeps them too weak and easily preoccupied with mindflayers.
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I am pretty sure that wasn't the case, based on the three records you hear of Orpheus story.
All that was known was that Gith and Vlaakith went to see Tiamat and Vlaakith came back alone, suppsedly with news that Gith chose her as her successor. She sacrificed Gith to Tiamat in exchange for the dragons.
Orpheus learnt the truth and rebelled.
@@nathanieljefferies5491
"Praise be to my mother Gith, the Queen of the One Sky, sacrificed to the Hells by the renegade Vlaakith!"
These are Orpheus words in one of the records.
When Vlaakith tells her that she could be Baht'a'Vlaakith. I like to think that's translated to "Part of Vlaakith". Since she consumes the githyaanki that were promised "ascension".
"Right. I'm good now. Sorry" .... had me chuckling... :D
I hope this will be an expansion dlc
What is there to expand? She just dies in that scene. Vlakith literally gobbles the souls of those who "ascend". That phylactery of hers must be fueled somehow
@@henryford9660 avernus,the githyanki,taking vlakith down
@@Kat1kafka oh, that's what you meant. Well that does sound interesting. Sorry I didn't get it xd
I would really like a take down vlakith dlc. I was a little dissapointed we couldnt kill vlakith.
@@Kat1kafkaAvernus? Her soul did not go to avernus. It was consumed. It does not exist any longer.
It is not an honour to be claimed by a lie....
This run I'm on now I wanted to romance Lae'zel and try her new ending out. Thanks for posting this because I am absolutely never doing this ending, lol. Poor Lae'zel, Vlakith is awful
Does Shadowheart have any special epilogue if you never head to the House of Grief?
She didn't for me, but I wasn't romancing her that game. Her dialogue only seems to change depending on her decision with Ayliin.
If your romancing her I believe she breaks up with you, that’s the only change I’m aware of
It's horrifying, i feel so sorry for Lae'zel, even though I have never wanted to romance her
Agreed. I don't do hard-asses, and I don't like how she treats everything like a grim joke.
@@lumberluc how?
@@BovineGirl3 Firm belief that the strong always survive, and the weak will die.
Yet, this version ignores how Vlaakith is a weakling. Always taking, never giving.
@@lumberluc True, but at least Lae'zel unlearns that teaching and became a better person. A lot of people do ignore the fact Lae'zel is one of the fewest nicer giths, any other giths that were in her place would've just killed your character and/or all the companions.
@@BovineGirl3 Aye, which makes me want to insult how the Mind Flayers are better masters for the Gith, less worth saying.
If you think this is bad you should think about what Vlaakith probably did to Gith... She was sent to negotiate with Tiamat and never returned, but now Vlaakith gets the service of Githyanki/Dragon hybrids...
Personally I think the giant bejeweled skeleton in the Astral Prism is Gith's remains
Vlaakith needs to fall
Good that there are these videos so I don't need to make this choice.
I got this ending and it creeped me out. I basically ignored her quest lol
There needs to be dlc in which we can kill the damn lich.
I can't believe it she was really ascent. I thought because she knew the Queens secret so……
2:34 seriously ? That is unsult !
Anyone that had ever read previous editions would know not to let her ascend. Vlakith consumes any Gith over 11 level.
What actually happens in the head office of the European Union.
People love to harp on and on about how evil the Illithids are, but they never bother to notice how utterly evil the Gith are as well. Genocidal fanatics with a superiority complex to rival any seen by any video game enemy faction, but it gets overlooked because Illithids look like Cthulhu monsters. The Illithid Empire must never return, but a Gith Empire would be just as bad, if not possibly worse. The best thing to be done is lock them in a civil war in which their racial pride will never recover, kill Orpheus and set Lae'zel on the path of rebellion against Vlaakith. Their awful race will kill itself while the Illithids regain their strength, and the three factions will keep each other contained.
Survival at its finest, as a certain Emperor would call it. Always looking out for "us," even looking a few decades into the future.
So true. Nobody can tell, if Orpheus' Githyanki (led by him or his new "paladin" Lae'zel) would be a better option or the multiverse or Faerûn than Vlakith. At least one knows how bad, evil and corrupted she is, nobody knows if Orpheus wouldn't be an even greater tyrant.
Best outcome for Lae'zel might be someday joining the ranks of the Githerai (in one ending she is going to negotiate an alliance with them) together with her remaining rebels - but I must admit my knowledge about the Githerai is far to limited to judge this option.
@@ReisskIaueMost likely not as the Githzerai have a completely different culture and lifestyle to the Githyanki (Githzerai are monastic psychics whom steel their minds and create pocket islands of order within Limbo) and they have a long and bitter hatred over each other from the long scarring of their slavery of the illithids and from different philosophical ideals (the githzerai follow Zerthimon, another leader who challenged Gith's motive for revenge and kicked started the long-lasting civil war/feud). I think that if in the ending either is wirh Orpheus or leads the rebellion herself she pulls off the negotiations with her githzerai cousins (which may prove difficult as the Githzerai don't trust those that are not a part of them) it just might gain a decently steady (or unsteady depending on how you look at it) alliance between the two groups.
"When the Cat and Dog are fighting the Mouse is safe."
Lol the emperor is just as bad too. Never trusted the squid. I freed orpheus then made him turn illithid.
Gith are only evil thanks to the lich queen who basically is doing what a mother brain does, ironically.
Lae'zel: 😧
Also Lae'zel 1 second later: 😏
my lae’zel would never
That mean she is absorted by her own god
Not a god.
@@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusketthats why she's chowing down on so many gith
Vlaakith is a lich who absorbs other Githyanki's souls / life essence to empower her own. Her goal is to ascend to godhood through this method. But I wonder if Ao will even let her because even if she gets there Ao decides if she can or cannot become a god now. He changed the rules before Bane, Bhaal, and Murkal when Jergal just gave it all up to them freely. So my guess is he will just slap her back down to being a lich. Because anyone that Ao denies godhood to becomes a lich in the end anyhow. Side effect of seeking godhood.
@@Dayhawk101 I thought Ao didn't care about anything unless it would be world breaking
@@AloofOof For the most part he doesn't but you still have to have Ao's approval to be a God, nobody ascends to Godhood without his approval with the only exception being Karsus which Ao didn't care since his Godhood lasted under 5 minutes.
God of the Gods for a reason.
Ckvaaa!
So... the husks of previous githyanki warriors are there. Why are they still moving, and watching Laezel? I really hope there's a way to fight Vlaakith and free the lost-souls (assuming they're not 'used up').
She is not about to be knighted, is she?
why are you able to play after the ending? My game goes straight to the title screen.
Did you choose the "bad" ending for your main or something? There's a whole campground party scene that's playable after the ending if you "do the right steps"
@@dudea3378 I finished the game before the Update where the post-game campground was introduced came out. When I loaded an older safefile and played the last mission again I got the camp as well.
This scene is so heartbreaking. Her hope, her pride; it's all there in her eyes. Then, when she sees the esteemed husks of previously ascended Githyankis, she falters.. only to reinstill herself with her unshakable faith. "No. I will not believe the lies. I have served my queen, and I shall ascended as is my right." only for our baby girl, friend and companion to not only lose her life, but have her own soul consumed as ammunition for her queen's pursuit of Godhood, leaving her not only dead, but removed from existence as if she never was.
Tragedy :'(
Larian didn't hold back, I love it. This level of freedom in game with so many branching paths, I've only heard about them from BG3 but man it's incredible to not solely be forced into the generic routes.
Odd I was under the impression Vlaakith only absorbed Githyanki who were at level 16 or level 17. Max level Lae'zel can get to in this game is level 12. Seems a little odd for an ending honestly.
I believe that particular detail has changed over the years from one edition to the next. Don't quote me 100% certain but I think at one point it was even stated 11th level (it may have been 13th).
Vlaakith may have made an exception just to be sure that the Orpheus truth died.
@George_M_ Exactly. There's several reasons Vlaakith would choose to remove Bae'zel as a threat.
She knows about Orpheus, knows the "cure" for being infected with a tadpole is death, and knows Vlaakith is a scheming, lying, power-hungry despot. She's also got very, very powerful friends.
From Vlaakith's standpoint it's best to just nip that threat in the bud and tie up a loose end.
Vlaakith promised her ascension, so take it up with her. You are mistaking Vlaakith's personal taste in food for being the only thing she can eat.
Lae'zel is a special dish.
there is no ascension. only a one way trip into eternal void.
Yet another reason to always spare orpheus
You actually don't have to spare him to avoid that ending just let someone else turn into mindflyer
I always turn Orpheus into a mindflayer and still get Laezel’s good ending where she leads a rebellion
@@Brim_the_Wizard Funny a level 12 anything "leading" a rebellion against an empire
I don't subscribe to the idea of bad/good endings. Only interesting and uninteresting. I find this ending to be quite compelling! The deceit of Vlaakith is awesome to behold.
Lae'zel has only herself to blame. She had enough information to see beyond Vlaakith's empty promises, but the thirst for glory and recognition blinded her to the truth.
@@raistlin3462 one interesting thing is that she chooses to stay in Faerûn even when she's aligned with Vlaakith in the end. It takes lots of persuasion checks to send her away
Bad or Good isn't dictated by you alone. its a communal effort. A shocker that most people that dealt with her enough to wake her up notices the loss in potential when she's eaten before the husks of her predecessors. Though I applaud Larian for this result despite the copious amounts of warnings to the player.
@@koju-kin I dunno about communal effort as much as individual assumption. "Bad" and "good" are just too simple for me, especially in a game where it's reasonable that a non-evil approach can lead to some arguably kinda evil results and vis versa.
@@frizzman1991 I am not debating the result of evil or good choices nor its meaning. Simply MORE people feel a certain way toward this ending instead of mixing said terms with compelling and uncompelling.
So the brest ENDING is to free Orpheus.
Freeing Orpheus has nothing to do with this ending. All you need to do to avoid this is convince Lae'zel of Vlaakith being evil/not a God through dialog options, basically just plant seeds of doubt in Vlaak and undermined her when you can to Lae'zel.
girl dinner
Well, it is a good ending for me, the frog got what she wanted. And the githyanki empire will eat itself easy with vlaakith slowing weakening it for her own purposes. A free githyanki empire just means they are more efficient at conquering. Gith was a monster but at least Vlaakith is bad at conquering. Orpheus, the son of gith most likely would have continued his foul mothers’ filthy legacy and eventually turn against us just to make more slaves off istik.
2:34 looooool
The best thing to do is let gale sacrifice himself. He wants to do it for his goddess so let him go be happy. That way nobody turns into a mindflare. All you have to do is get the tadpole from the emperor.. tell the Emperor you will have to think about it and then go talk to everybody. Ask gale if he is sure he will use the orb. then tell the Emperor you will use the tadpole if the orb fails Which will appease him.. make sure you have Laezal in your party that way when he tries to kill Orpheus she will stop it and you can side with with her and then Orpheus won’t turn you into a mind flare right away because you will have the tadpole from the emperor so he automatically thinks you will do it if you have to. But don’t be fooled when the last scene happens because when he looks at you, he sees a mind flare, but that’s just the way he sees you because he is a god. At the end of the scene you will be your mortal self. My favorite ending is to sacrifice gale in the third act. The only downside is the orb might destroy his soul as well, but nobody knows. So there is a chance he can’t be reincarnated. I just don’t believe Mistra would let that happen. I’m on my fifth play through and I’m doing the dark urge for the first time and I am having a ball with it. The way I like to end the game is different from other people. But I thought I would at least try to help some of those who don’t want to be a mindflare at all.
That's objectively incorrect.
That's objectively correct.
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