Zenith Chronomaster Original: The New Revival of an Icon
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- A Discussion around the Zenith El Primero Chronomaster Original and how it redefines the Flagship A386 with modern touches and the new 3600 1/10th of a Second chronograph calibre. The design of these new pieces are near flawless, simple and effective. A great use of colours and the addition of a new Reverse Panda dial firmly establishes the clear design direction for the classically inspired Chronograph.
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Every comparison mentions the lack of lume on the seconds hand. but aren't they both lacking the lume on the seconds hand?
Zenith has made great improvements to its line and releases, in the past 5 years they have been trying and trying to perfect their formula, and I think they got it perfectly right with this release. I really think Zenith is making its way back to the top, especially with the prices of Daytonas and Speedmasters, the Chronomaster makes so much sense.
There's just so much to appreciate with these. With other brands keep adding more text, more depth, more, more...Zenith is reducing and trying to distill what makes an El Primero (that's why I think these have resonated with us so much) Ah, spectacular machines... and thank you as always for taking the time to watch the video Abdul. Greatly appreciated as ever
Zenith is making impressive design choices where others are failing spectacularly
That reverse panda is a home run for me 😍
An absolute home run! All the money in the world, I'd be picking one of them up tomorrow...
@@ID-Guy please do a review of the R Panda...i've ordered one myself...the daytona is now out of reach and i gave up
Never thought I’d say this, but this really holds its own against the daytona. Zenith really hit this release out of the park
Yeah I was blown away by the looks of these and really happy to know they hadn't abandoned their true flagship design, in this size of course. I'm actually thinking that this is "the next watch" for me. Now for the having to begin. The thing to decide though...Go classic or the panda ? I think I'm more drawn to that black dial. As far as usage of chronographs: Don't most people just play with them obsessively in the first week of ownership and then only later to show to mostly uninterested friends? Just trying to be real here.
Michael, from one enthusiast to another, given all the options to buy watches right now, First would be the 36mm Explorer and second would be the reverse panda model. It's scooted right to the top of my "want-list". The more photos I see of it, the more I'm dying to get my hands on one... gonna have to fix this craving somehow. Thank you as always for your comment, brother!
I am going for the tri colour classic. But my pocket is full to full fill other achievements right now
I agree with you on the fact that I prefer a chrono to have 12 hour counter. I received a Panerai 30 minute chrono from my father as a collage graduation present. I never used it. I have no need of a 3 minute chrono counter since I can do that with a dive bezel. But when I first got the moonwatch with the 12 hour counter, it was more fun. I kept track of how much I slept, my drive time to work, how long it takes for the food order to arrive. So even though I like this watch very much and I adore the size. I am reluctant to trade it with my speedy.
I am so, so glad they made this in a classic 38mm size. A home run, for me: classic, vintage inspired sports watch combined with a completely new, revolutionary function for the chronograph. The reverse panda has shot at the top of my wish list, together with the green dial GO SeaQ. Choices...
Classic, beautiful, functional, one for the enthusiast and one I need to get out of my mind asap! 😫
That Reverse Panda is just TOO good. It's flawless... Stop looking at it Mark! ;)
Oh. My. Days. She's damn near... perfect! Could gripe at 50m WR or no quick adjust bracelet, but that would be churlish. A beauty. The marriage of classic design cues and 1/10 chrono scale and 60/60/60 subdials is boarderline genius. AND IT'S NOT A LE!!!!!!!
James...James...I know... The Reverse Panda dial is just too good. I'm going to be banging on doors to get one of these in hand as soon as possible. Just exceptional work from Zenith (can't wait to discuss it over the weekend)
If I could have one Zenith, it'd be the A384. Love it so much.
I have a cheap chronograph and I use it all the time. Especially for tea, but you can also stop the seconds hand and use it as a count down timer. So if I have something in the oven for 40 minutes, i set the seconds hand 40 minutes after the minute hand and can see at a glance when my food will be ready.
Excellent points all-round. Also love the A384, but this new Reverse Panda has struck something in me... I'd get it in a heartbeat given the chance. And I never thought of using the hand as a timer. BRILLIANT! I can't wait to experiment with that tonight cooking dinner. Thanks so much for the comment, Runrin!
I love the a384 too and would get it, but I want to get the bracelet version and really not convinced about the clasp, and the bracelet design as a whole.
But if you want to wear it on leather - then it’s amazing!
Love Zenith!
I fell for the A384. Then….. the A385 with that cappuccino dial came out. Now….. we have the TriColour AND a beautiful reverse panda to choose from!! Just imagine the reverse panda on the ladder bracelet!! Zenith are offering great vintage inspired watches on amazingly beautiful bracelets or your choice of strap. These releases alongside the A384 and A385 make for a very desirable lineup.
I’m still a sucker for the Tonneau style case design of the A384 and A385 so would probably still choose one of those but, that reverse panda really is killer. By the way, there is an hour hand so, you can count how many hours have elapsed. It doesn’t need a separate sub register…… does it?
Another brilliant presentation here my friend. Thoroughly enjoyable and thought provoking. Hope you’re keeping safe and well. ✊
The A384 has been a top contender for me but this Reverse Panda has shaken things up a lot now... Ah, they're continuing to add more while keeping their ideas relevant and unique. It's fantastic! You were right in saying "forget etc etc" the other day "zenith's where it's at". And you're right about the hour hand haha! I'm just super lazy and would rather the sub-dials do the counting for me ;) Also hope you're keeping well, boet. It's been a very slow start to Summer this year (here's hoping it picks up)
A beautiful watch.
Many of the functions that we demand from a watch, are almost never used.
How many people actually use the hacking feature.
We still purchase the Porsche, even though we are only driving at 70 mph, not the 200 mph on the dial.
We enjoy the soul or essence of the watch.
That is what attracts us.
sadly i'm OCD enough that I "have" to have hacking seconds
Yeah... Me too. I hack the seconds at zero and set each piece exactly every time I rotate... but I get and agree with your point.
I have to lift my hand and say I'm guilty for hacking my watches always to sync with the time (unless I'm going for a workout etc) But your points are all valid, George. Simply stunning machines... I'm smitten with that Reverse Panda hard...
@@michaelfierman3256 You and me both... it's my one watch ownership flaw.. it has to hack and sync
@@anthonysmith2982 Me as well, Ant... It's a (good) sickness to have though ;) Nothing beats accuracy
Just can’t believe how much better it looks when the sub-dials are the same colour. I went from liking it to wanting it with just that one (well three) change.
Love this watch and have for a long time. I’m glad to get your channel as a rec. recently. So many other “watch channels” only talk about Rolex
I use my Aquastar Deepstar chronograph function every time I BBQ. A minute counter is all you need for perfect meat.
Those Deepstars are bloody awesome! I'd love to get one in to review. Just the right amount of quirk and history tied to them to make the model very unique (and so fun) Thanks for this David! Perfect meat!
You work at MacDonalds! Cool 🔥
@@richardbartlett6932 ha...I'm lovin it!
The most beautifull watch i have hold in my hands
Thank you for all the knowledge sharing
My pleasure Lynal! Thank you for taking the time to watch the clip!
The El Primero was the first Automatic chronograph introduced, three full functioning watches were released first. Ultimately Zenith was the third to offer it for sale in 1969.
Zenith has really come on strong this past year, and I love this new release, even though for me it is bordering on redundancy. That reverse panda just rings all the bells. But no one does a video like you, mate. Another stellar production! 👊
Ah Chaz... I'm smitten with this Reverse Panda. Wow it's beautiful. I can see it fitting perfectly in the collection (as a part of the rotation) For me at least, these models distill what I like to think about the El Primero. Cannot wait to chat about them this weekend. And thank you as ever, sir! Love bringing these videos forward. Have an excellent start to your weekend ;)
Haha, once again, you make a video I have to pause and really take in. :-)
I recently came to the conclusion that the 38mm is the perfect size for the Zenith Chronomaster. I actually sold my 42mm to fund the Breguet Type XX we spoke about earlier and I love that one at 39mm. I think, for me, most of the time I am timing short intervals on a chronograph, but agree that losing the capability to time longer intervals is a little troubling. That said, I would absolutely love one of these watches, probably the white dial with the blue strap. That's the one that speaks to me.
Ah Chris, thanks for this. I'm really smitten with the Reverse Panda. Even though I just got the BigEye (that can be the mission timer) this new model could easily fall into the collection without a hitch. They're all just beautiful... Don't know what else to say... Reckon we'll be looking at these a lot harder now ;) Also agree that the size is bang-on. What a way to shake up the chronograph space!
That reverse Panda is looking amazing. I am a sucker for black on white finishes, when it's done well the contrast can really pop all the right elements. Zenith has a very particular look which is always a good thing for a brand, nice choice ID guy.
Aaaand the Reverse Panda has now arrived at the No.2 spot for "next watches to add to the collection" closely behind the 36mm Explorer. Love how they've distilled these models to their core and thank you as always Michael!
@@ID-Guy hope you get them both :)
I would still own mine if it looked like this. Great review! Thanks
They've really managed to distill what makes an "El Primero" with this launch. Such a brilliant move to reduce rather than add. Ah, further down the rabbit hole we go! Thanks a bunch as always for taking the time to watch the clip Peter
The provenance, the case size, the colorway....this is an absolute stunner. Zenith has owned 2021. Daytona? Speedmaster? Never heard of 'em ;)
My thoughts exactly, brother. Without question I'd be picking the Reverse Panda tomorrow if I had the cash to burn. It's already second on my list... What a winning combination these new models are...
Fantastic video sir. I didn’t think I could want this machine any more than I already did.
@@nicholaschavez6245 Thanks a million Nicholas. These have always been the enthusiast chronograph (and hopefully it'll stay that way) ;)
I think I like this one more than the A384. And you know how much I love the A384
Exactly my thoughts, Tippy. I was gunning for the A384 UNTIL the Reverse Panda showed up and ruined everything... Now I'm adding this model to my list. Sublime work from Zenith as always
I’m not a Watch connoisseur but this is my opinion on this piece. It is beautiful! I love the leather band as well as the Dial. But that seconds hand would drive me nuts!
Looking forward to the bigeye review!
I tried on the reverse panda this afternoon, actually. Beautiful watch. Move in the right direction, imo
A modern classic. It's interesting to hear how you use the chronograph IDGuy, timing the length of the day that requires an hour counter. I tend to use a chrono for timing meetings that are usually (hopefully) within an hour but often more and like yourself for this I do not need super split second accuracy. It's always nice to have better granulation but that not only increases the complexity but probably service cost as well not to mention that old adage the more it does the more can go wrong. Having said that this would not stop me considering a purchase of this watch if I could justify it.
That's the one thing that's bugging me also about this movement... 36K Vph must work the parts hard over time. Still, as a part of a rotation, what a beautiful piece to add. The Reverse Panda is now sitting at No.2 on my list next to the 36mm Explorer at 1. What's so beautiful about these examples is I think they distill the essence of what we'd want from an El Primero. A real enthusiasts chrono to say the least ;)
spot on, as usual
Thank you as ever, sir. These new models are a cut above! Can't wait to get some hands-on time with them
Had a Hamilton VJ7750, lovely accurate tough watch, but never used the chronograph function, & sold it once I found out the service cost - can only imagine what the price of a service is on the Zenith!! Not a fan of the 3 coloured subdials, but that reverse panda is genuinely beautiful!! Still for me the most iconic chronograph is the Speedmaster (tho not necessarily the most beautiful or best)
Cheers Mate 👍🏻👍🏻
The 36k Vph Movement they're using must wear the components down fast... that's one of the detractors that they've hopefully fixed with these new calibers. Ah and that Reverse Panda... I'm smitten. Very seldom is there a release why I can say immediately "Yes, I want that asap". Thank you as always Steve (and who doesn't love a Speedmaster?) ;)
What looks better the original dial or the reverse panda dial?
What do you think the chances are they release an hour-timer version of the Original (and go from 1/10 to 1 sec. tachy)?
Big fan of the entire El Primero line.
The A385 Revival is the one that 𝗿𝗲𝗮𝗹𝗹𝘆 grabs me, but I'd be more than happy to own the reverse panda Original.
There's something about that mov't that bothers me too. It's very similar to high performance cars & motorcycles: if I was to save and stretch myself I could pay the admission price, but the up keep? Not so much. But as you said; as a secondary or tertiary chrono (and a budget to match)? Hard to do better. Infact probably impossible to do better.
I was gunning for the A384 but this Reverse Panda has blotted out every other example they offer for me... It is exactly what I'd be looking for in a Zenith Chrono (movement included) Aesthetics look flawless, Size - Brilliant. Hey, even the movement has a cool party trick. I guess another issue with the whole 36K Vph is the servicing over time, who knows? Cannot wait to talk about this watch on Saturday!
Zenith El Primero was the first automatic integrated chronograph on the market. Just because Jack Heuer brought several watches (Carrera) with ETA automatic movements topped with Depraz Dubois chronograph module to States and shouted, that he was first, doesn't mean, that he was. Some say, that Seiko was first, but they haven't shown their watch to anyone at the time. Zenith did announce their watch and showed it to Swiss press first.
That reverse panda is dope.
DAMN have I missed your channel, been off the YT watch watching bender for a bit but good to check in and catch up! :)
🤤 the reverse panda....!
A lumed second hand that’s not actually counting seconds would feel pretty absurd, I really do quite like the Chronomaster line. The problem is that as someone who likes to let the Chrono seconds hand run constantly, I feel liked the every 10 second rotation could literally drive me insane.
The ballistic spinning of that seconds hand and trying to keep track of it would probably give all us vertigo haha! Well said. Still battling to know if the movement is even remotely practical for day-to-day use ;) They're just so beautiful though...
That is the point though. It is an insane watch!
Great write up
Always a pleasure, Sir Beaver! Looking forward to bantering a bit more about it next week. Have a great start to your weekend, brother!
amazing watch!
Interesting take. I newer needed hour count from chronograph. That makes me choose chronographs that have 15 or30 min counters. If i have hours i wouldn't use them and that makes me concerned oils in moving parts of hour counter could dry up. But than again i use it for brewing the coffee, feeld im working in, so it actually it is really specific tool for me. 100th of a sec is something i still dont have use from. But it seems fun to have it
Complimenti! Bella recensione. 👍🏻
From the tongue in cheek department.
Omega to release a new Speedmaster with new movement for the Tokyo Olympic Games; A rattrapante chronograph nicknamed "The Delta Variant"
Oh oof! Hahaha (let's hope they have someone who's good at redacting statements) ;)
Another fantastic video IDGuy. Zenith is truly making all the right moves these days. I can’t wait to see what they come out with next.
the reverse panda is right next to the CP-2 (the one in "aged" steel and a gradient grey dial) as far as zenith chronos go. screw it, as far as automatic chronos
That 10th of a second timing feature is amazing. Are Zenith the only brand that do this?
@@IDKline thanks a lot.
I like the design very much, but the date window destroys the symmetry and would annoy me. (although that was already the case in the original)
I know, it's a strange thing to learn to love / get along with some aesthetics that watch brands continue to use. Somehow the date doesn't bother me (but I know it does for others) Gotta give it to them, at least Zenith is consistant ;) Thanks as always for taking the time to watch the clip Michael
Between this El Primero and Speedmaster, which chronograph would you buy?
I won’t use this watch to time long time. My speedy does that.
Why 2 lines of text for the 1/10th second scale? The ceramic bezel on the Chronomaster Sport only has 1 line of text. The 2 lines on the scale make it look like a tachy. Overall, these pieces are beautiful.
If only the date on a chronograph wasn't a zenith flagship...
I know, I know. All things considered, at least it's manageable (and not smack in your face) but chrono's don't deserve to have dates at the best of times...
You are scary. A Tudor and a 38mm Chronomaster are on my my most wanted list. Great review and analysis, both are beautiful. It is a tough call, I have a black Heuer 64 re-edition, so it is almost impossible to choose between the classic silver/white and the reverse Panda. Your video didn't help, tough call, what would you take?
Ah Pedro, there's only one answer for me. This new Reverse Panda has moved up to no. 2 on my list next to the Explorer 36. I'd be taking the zenith all day long (especially because it's wholly unique, different calibre, flawless aesthetics?) I'm dying to get my hands on this new model as soon as possible... But I'm not biased or anything ;)
Main reason for no lume is to see the Zenith name and star, very simple as the square hides it.
This case with 12hour register exists in the Manufacture A386 Edition, though will old movement. Much prefer this case to previous 38mm. Sure Zenith will eventually update the 'standard' 12 hr movement and put it in A386 cases but for now seems the A384 cases get 12 hr and A386 striking 10.
@@IDKline most people don't run the Chrono continuously, hence name and star covered, annoys me on mine
I would have guessed a typical chronograph would be used to find much shorter intervals than an entire day Oregon a few hours. - on average. I’m thinking lap times at various sporting events. There tenths of a second d would matter, though I don’t think the average person is going to be able either start or stop the timing cycle to that degree of precision anyway. Another task might be navigation. That could stretch out the intervals but if you were sailing for example, 1/10 of a second of four hours to a marker doesn’t mean anything anyway.
Combien coûte la plus belle et la plus cher ?👍
Could not have said it better, Mohammed. Beauty at its finest!
review of stock pictures.
cool.
No date would have been better ⌚
I know... We can never ask for a no-date El Primero. It's like Seamasters with the HE valves or Tudors with Snowflake Hands. I guess each brand wants to keep their "trademark"
You have still the El Primero Open version available for purchase at Zenith site, which has no date complication, but it is 42mm in diameter.
@@IDKline I've heard of this word before ;)
I find it quite useful for daily basis though.
Please let us remember function as well as industrial design. The modern Chronomaster's 1/10 sec function is not really useful, human reaction time making that degree of precision superfluous. The older El Primeros were capable of measuring intervals up to 12 hours, a much more valuable capability.
I wish you actually held and touched a watch once in a while. All your videos appear to be made with stock images.
I'm not into chronographs at all, so my opionion counts for absolutely nish, but I actually prefer the chronomaster sport.
Very interesting George! Hey, it's a model with a modern twist, can't argue with that ;)
The reverse panda is SEX
Pure Sex. Pure fire. Knockout...
@@ID-Guy another great vid idguy. Thanks!
@@inglebybhoy3293 Always a pleasure, brother
New speedmaster is better