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The Zenith Pilot Flyback: Why It's Underrated & Overlooked?
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- Опубликовано: 14 авг 2024
- A Discussion around the newly released Zenith Pilot Flyback. Is it Boring, Overlooked or a Future Classic? With a design that pulls inspiration from many different avenues and becomes a lot more than just a pilot watch, it aims at being a far more versatile piece than we might think. From a well proportioned case, to a highly legible layout, big date and a chronograph with a flyback function, it's a daily wearer with a twist.
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Intro 0:00
Zenith El Primero Renaissance? 1:14
Zenith Pilot Evolution 2:26
The Zenith Pilot Flyback 3:58
Zenith Pilot Overlooked? 4:58
Daily Wearer, Field Watch & Pilot Watch 6:18
Zenith Pilot Redesign 7:31
Closing Thoughts 8:28
Conclusion 9:01
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Behind the scenes Zenith has fast become one of my favourites. As far as the Zenith "Pilot" collection goes, there are many undervalued watches to be found. What are your thoughts on this new series?
I can’t get past the fact that pilot is in quotes. That denotes that something isn’t actually what you represent it to be. It’s confusing. Imagine a dive watch with “dive” on the dial in quotes. Doesn’t make sense. That said, the Tipo looks incredible.
@@richardwarren2024 I believe that "Pilot" is in quotes because that is how the trademark was presented in 1904 with the quotes included in the documentation. I think this has always been their way of a subtle callback 😉
@@ID-Guy Thank you for explaining that. You do a phenomenal job of bringing attention to watches and brands that the crowd has either forgotten about or never looked at. We all appreciate your work so much.
That plain steel with orange details varient is so stunning. I personally dont mind the horizontal batton at 6 o'clock at all.
I think you might need a colorblind test… are you talking about the version with the red chrono hand?
@@toothbrasget help.
Great redesign! Not so sure about the tricolors, but adding the 6 and moving the pilot on top of the dial sure makes the watch look a lot lighter. Great job! Keep up the good work.
I watch a lot of watch channels but yours is top notch. Between the details of each watch you review to the stories behind the watches it is just well done every time. Like always, looking forwards to the next video.
Reading comments like these is always a pleasure man, thank you! Love weaving those little narratives and backgrounds into the videos when I can, some work better than others 😉🥃
I’m happy you’re talking about Zenith, it’s a knock it out of the park manufacturer
One brand I wish I'd hopped onboard sooner. They are sublime and it feels like they'll always be "overlooked" when we compare them to the competition. Lucky for the enthusiasts 😉
Zenith and Blancpain have some of the best value for money chronographs on the greymarket. Both dont retain their value that well, but have incredible designs and movements, so are very attractive pre-owned.
It's actually unreal how these pieces are just cruising around on the secondary market. Ideal pieces for the enthusiast 😉
@@ID-Guy Its just incredible. I hope to buy the Blancpain Léman Flyback someday. They can be bought around 3500 to 4000 USD. It uses a Frederic Piguet 1185 movement and the watch is only 12mm thick, despite also being 100 meters water resistant!
If it doesn't come with someone else's scratches, I'd buy them at half price.
@@shuycgcan usually find them in like-new condition for only 300 to 500 USD more than a well-worn example. Who cares if the clasp has 2 tiny scratches when it shaves off nearly 2000 USD...
@@shuycg In the case of mine, it was a few months old and had only been worn once or twice. Everything was like new. It's bizarre 🥃
This channel is one of the greatest RUclips watch channel. For real. The content is unique.
I was so disappointed with the el prileri though when I tried it. It just couldn't sit in my wrist despite the size. I feel like the lugs needs to be redesigned. Oddly, the speedmaster at 42mm, sits perfectly. Crazy.
This pilot looks hot though. The layout is close to perfection .
I can understand that the flatter case profile of the CP2 must've made it wear oddly (it plagues a lot of pilot watch from Breitling etc) But the Speedy at 42 has something like a 47mm lug length and that makes all the difference in the world! 🔥Thank you for the comment brother 🥃
I used to get my watches serviced in St Leonards by a gentleman who worked at the Herstmonceux Observatory, in hes day he worked on MOD watches, he told me in his opinion Zenith were the best watches he could recommend and we are going back to the 90s,...!!!
Amazing, amazing to read this David. Always rely on a watchmaker to give you the best advice 😉 I've been blown away by my A384 over the last few months... radial brushing on the case, great attention to detail and the movement accuracy stayed a +0 for days on end (better than any of my other pieces) 🥃
You have a knack for picking out little gems here and there.
The Longines Zulu time GMT was one of them, called it well before it became huge.
This is another I reckon. I actually think it’s freakin’ awesome. Clean, legible, very very well made, great design, I love the 6 date window, big and bold, love the texturing on the dial. Love the crown shape love the open case back and skeletonised rotor. And no one would know it’s a bad ass watch.
Really really like this one.
Thanks for the great review
Thanks for the video. I love your videos because even if the subject matter doesn’t excites me all that much, your videos are always quality and like little essays of watches.
Really appreciate it Benedek, thank you! I've always loved weaving a bit of narrative into videos (and sometimes they work better than others) 😉🥃
Regular follower of your channel - keep up the great work. So informative. Zenith needs a big and ongoing brand boosting campaign to complement their amazing new timepieces.
Thank you George! I'll be sure to keep pushing in the future and exploring more of their designs (admittedly, I do a lot of studying and researching of them behind the scenes 😉) Greatly appreciated this brother 🥃
The green and blue colors with the 6 you added made that watch even better. Very nice piece, except for that horizontal line.
Spicing up these models with a touch of Olive and Navy, actually surprised me how slick they look with some colours added 🥃
@@ID-Guy love it!
Great to hear a bit about Zenith. I’ve been thinking about getting one for a while now ……
It's one mysterious rabbit hole to fall down 😉🥃
I like utilitarian, monochromatic, industrial...and I like date functions. For me a watch without a date is lacking. Far too many modern watches are for magpies; too shiny, shiny and more shiny, so the subdued look I find very attractive. Nice redesign you did too.
Although pilot watches are usually larger, the only issue I have with these is the case thickness and lug-to-lug would have benefited from being a hair smaller - leaving the diameter the same. A side-on view makes the overall case look a bit hockey puck-ish.
Thanks for another considered upload 👍
I think the case thickness of these is around 14mm's and you're right, it's on the fatter side. Guess that's the price to pay for having an automatic flyback comp (the big date probably doesn't help either) Nice observations here brother and thank you! 🥃
I remember seeing these Zenith Pilot Watches at Watches & Wonders this year and really liked the DLC coated ones. The three handed version grabbed me more because it was just a simpler design but, the Chronograph has grown on me.
Like you know, as yourself I have always fancied an A384 or A385 and recently picked up a used A384 like yourself. Such history and a classic design. The new Pilot’s Chronographs date window made the dial look a bit busy for me to start off with but, now I find it well designed (especially the DLC version).
Another great breakdown of a timepiece here boet. I see from the comments you’ve managed to acquire the Watch we were discussing too 😉 Congratulations 👏
I'll be sure to catch up with you sometime next week boet 😉🥃
Excellent video! I would buy your blue version of the Zenith Pilot. Well done!😃
Thank you Doc! Tonnes of potential for them to spice up this new format with simple colours. Also a big fan of that Olive combo 😉
That blueprint dial at 2:52 is beautiful!
How cool is it?? It's got to be one of the most unique dials we've ever seen and I don't think they've EVER done it since... such a missed opportunity. They could do an entire range of different colour shades on all sorts of models 🔥
Thanks mate for the great video, I was an always a fan of Zenith. The only Zenith I have is one of the 80s Zenith Movado integrated bracelet dress watches. I definitely love their smaller retro El Primero chronograph. This pilot is definitely to my liking as well, great color combination. I would wear that daily, If I was a kind of person that can wear the same watch everyday 😂
Imagine if we were in that minority who'd wear the same watch every day? 😉 Thanks for this Abdul. I'd highly, highly recommend one of their A3*** Models (37mm size is so fantastic on the wrist) - hope you're excellent brother! 🥃
@@ID-Guy hehe exactly brother 😂 thanks for the tip, I have it on my list 😁🙏🏽 Hope you are doing great brother 👍🏽🙏🏽
Great video, your 6 replacement took it from 90% to 95%. A chronograph to consider.
Thank you for this Simon! 🥃
Zenith has the same disease as Omega, I call it overload. Overload of models and variants of their models. Maybe decision makers at Zenith are less good in their job and decide to leave the release details up to the design department? Maybe Zenith just wants you to be unsure which model, and which variant to chose? They could learn a bit here and there from Rolex.
I own a 1973 El Primero 3019 phc (36000bph) and it hasn’t missed a beat since then. Marvellous quality!
Brilliant design work again IDguy 👍
Exactly the same as Omega, you're right. Flooding the marketplace and hoping something lands strong. It seems like their Defy range has been a huge success with their Chronomasters and Revivals close behind. But there seems to be that divide between Zenith as the "brand" and Zenith the "El Primero maker". Makes for quite an interesting thought! This lil A384 I found ran a +0 for three weeks straight while I was wearing it constantly... better than any Omega, Tudor (or Rolex - I may have found) in the collection. Not bad that a 50+ year old design still performs like a sewing machine 😉 Hope you're having a great weekend sir!
A great brand that probably gets overlooked and shouldn’t. Great looking watches with in house movements and one of the coolest stories in horology with the hiding of the tooling etc for the El Primero movements. I mean. The guy built a wall! Definitely needs more airtime 👍
Ah, its just beyond cool... from making some of the earliest pilot watches, watches for explorers... to building a legendary chrono (that helped countless brands become what they are today) and from plans hidden in a wall 😆 Those are the sorts of stories that need an amazing ad campaign 🔥
@@ID-Guy I think you could lend your talents to that easily! It’s on my bucket list to visit their manufacturer to see all of that history. That’s what I love about this hobby, there’s just so many stories out there! Please keep up your fantastic content and keep bringing your take on all things horological 🥃👍
Very nice watch, good designe, good size, beautifull movement...
I really liked your observations and analysis on the new Z pilot’s design origins/influences.
Your redesign definitely helps its overall appearance. Admittedly I’m not fan of date complications, but just imagine how much cleaner it would look without one. I always look forward to your videos. Well done.🥃
Thank you as always Alvin. One thing I'm digging about Zenith is that they implement their dates so cleanly (I'm a fan of the 4.30) But I get what you mean about dates. Definitely not what makes a watch for me 9/10 times 🥃
I love dates. But how they did it on the Stratos, is a work of art. The window is large because the watch is large. Zenith shaped the window to be in line with the other hour markers.
That redesign with the 6 at the bottom and PİLOT under Zenith is amazing. Great video as always!!
I can’t unsee the horizontal line now. And it is jarring. The date window is too big for my liking also.
El Primero Shadow is definitely on my radar - but I like buying new and still struggle with their pricing strategy.
Thanks for the video; good weekend to you and all the watch fans. Wearing my BB Pro.
Would recommend any of their A3*** models in their collection. I found mine that appears to have never been worn (or only worn once, its unreal) - And that "Shadow" of theirs is stellar... what's been ignored is how awesome these 37mm cases are on the wrist. Discreet but with great presence 🥃 Have a great weekend brother!
Zenith either needs to release a diver or have the chronograph become the most popular Watch style. It’s very difficult to get on the radar of the general public without a dive watch.
Very well said Joe, AND they've made divers in the past. It would be fantastic for them to bring them back (I agree, its long overdue) - hard to know where their main focus is - the Defy seems to be the no.1 in their collection 🥃
I have to say that small tweak you gave it removed a lot of that awkwardness, I love this brand and even if this isn't at the top of my list, there are several that are!
They've blown me away, finishing and attention to detail is top notch. Finding an OG A384 for £4k... has to be one of the best finds of my life 😉 Highly recommend checking them out brother 🥃
Great video! I've kept wondering why there hasn't been more noise about the new Zenith Pilots, I think they look fantastic. You hit the nail on the head though, ie my tastes lean towards simpler, traditionally designed 'tool-tastic 'watches - and these probably do seem a bit vanilla to many people. The one on your wrist looks very nice too, I love the 70's case shape and smaller size 🔥
Well said here Dom. I think the subdued design and the fact that Zenith doesn't get the coverage at the best of times (unless its controversial) played into it. Excellent point about the 70's case too! One of the things I'm loving about a lot of their designs are how diverse their cases get... boxy A384 to a jagged Defy, sharp lugs of the A386 etc. Such an interesting brand, man 🥃
@@ID-Guy Totally agree! They have a lot of really diverse, compelling offerings to people who are seduced by the alternative choice. The Defy Revival piques my interest in a big way - I'm not sure I can live with that "gappy" bracelet though! Thanks again!
Great call out - both zenith and this particular model, which I did not previously appreciate. I do much more now!
The green minus the date will be a winner for me.. maybe a flyback text in place of the date to balance it out..
It's quite interesting that they never included "flyback" on their dial, just another aspect that they wanted to keep "under the radar". Agreed on the use of olive green on these... Man, how it contrasts with the matte ceramic. It's killer! 🥃
Perfectly presented and packed with information. I had seen some of your content previously but not appreciated your honesty and unbiased opinions till now.
BTW, love zenith and I bought the chronomaster sport twice, the black face on the bracelet and the white face on the blue fabric. I love them and the movement is beautiful and a absolute pleasure to watch and is the perfect example of why I became obsessed with mechanical watches in the first place.
Your changes are absolutely spot on. You have Taste Sir. Guido Terreni at Parmigiani also does and look at what small changes like these you did on this Pilot did to that Brand.
Man yes .. I've been looking at zenith for a while. See some interesting older dressy models sometimes. They are so classy.. and some of the chronos gorgeous for sure. Maybe some day. I had to get an Omega first as you know. To me, for now, Zenith could be a second or third watch kind of thing...
I do like these pilots... the date chrono especially
P.s. having a UK holiday at the moment and in 7 days, this is the only RUclips video I've allowed myself to watch 😊
Amazing video. I just purchased the SS variant and it’s been on my wrist every day since. It’s a sleeper.
Great critique and discussion. I actually appreciate this new design and like your re-touch even better! This watch seems like a bargain considering what IWC charge for their pilots models.
And giving it a few months, guaranteed they'll be found at a bargain 😉🥃
Great video. It's a cool chronograph, for sure. But, I still prefer the Chronomaster series over anything else in Zenith's catalog... well, maybe their Type 20/XX style of pilot chronographs are up there.
I've also had my sights on a Zenith Chronomaster Revival. Likely the same panda you have. Maybe another. I'm working out my collection and funds which may determine which one specifically I ultimately pick.
Looking forward to your review and insights into your panda revival. .. sort of.. I say with slight reservation only because it may surely make me want one EVEN more.
Man, the lil A384 was one of my luckiest finds to date... like new and almost 50% less than retail. All I can say (without giving too much away) it's a watch to definitely consider. From the size to daily wearing... dynamic, fun, great attention to detail. I think it's fair to say that a full collection of these would make for a really dynamic one. Hope you're having an excellent weekend, m'boy! 🥃
Nice video. I recently bought the big date flyback ceramic. It’s an incredible watch.
I'd be very interested in knowing how you've been enjoying it and how it's become a part of your collection. Do you feel like it's been made to be that stealthy "daily wearer" with a few secrets up its sleeve? ;)
@@ID-Guy of course. It was a 40th birthday gift to myself so wanted something special and different from my other watches (omega AT golf, Pelagos 39, IWC MKXIII Le petit prince).
The complications on offer for the price in the size of the case I think is superb. The innovations in the movement are superb. Using the pushers and crown are a pleasure. As you say it’s also a very stealthy watch so I can wear it anywhere and not worry about people recognising it! I love the fact it’s ceramic and I’m keen to see how resistant to scratches that material is over time. I love the quick change strap system and look forward to zenith bring out our more options. The modern style that is undoubtedly more generic than the previous designs I think will stand the test of time and looks superb to my eye.
I have admired the brand for many years and this was the watch that has made me put my hand in my pocket.
I could go on but will stop there!
@@wheelsandwatches Thank you for sharing all of this. Feel the same way as you, been admiring Zenith from afar for a while and an offer came up I couldn't refuse. Has be to one of my best finds to date purely because of how much is given to us in the package. Beautiful finishing, attention to detail everywhere ALSO loving the deployant (managed to find one by luck - keep yours close, they're difficult to find at the best of times) - makes all the difference! 🔥
@@ID-Guy glad you are enjoying yours so much. Even after the initial buzz has warn off. Zenith are a massively under appreciated brand. This can only be down to lack of advertising and as such brand awareness outside of watch geek circles.
Sign me up ! Just one small hitch is my bank balance, love many many of their timepieces and Chronographs.
Great video, I agree with you. I wish I would have looked at Zenith years ago.
JCB strikes again 💥 seriously though congrats on the a384. I think the skyline ceramic skeleton will be the watch to have in a few years let’s see
Strikes again 😉 And now you've infected me with this craze to constantly shop around Breitling and Zenith... Gonna have to hunt down a Cosmonaut or Top Time next at this rate 😂🥃
I love my Zenith el primero stratos flyback. 46mm behemoth. Got it new for less than a pelagos.
It’s seems like an embargo on these and the ingenieur has been lifted and a lot more video's have recently been released. I was drooling over the time only variant in hi consumptions video last night.
I originally thought a time only version with a big date would be amazing and your mock up with the added 6 only confirms that belief. What I love about this watch is they have made a watch with a Matt ceramic case that is legible, beautiful and a reasonable size. Something I don’t think has been achieved since the iwc 3705.
It's funny, I usually plan my videos a few weeks in advance and this Zenith was one that slipped my mind. Maybe that was their desired effect? An extremely under the radar piece. It's that combination of Ceramic, Black, Flyback chronograph, arabic numerals AND a Big Date... just sounds incredible on paper 😉🥃
Love Zenith so much. I’m looking at a Pilot model once I score a discontinued Rose Gold Chocolate dial Espada.
Never seen these Espada's before in detail! Man... it's true that you could very happily build a Zenith collection and be so happy. I'd have all the A3*** models given the chance. Grail has always been a G381 - gotta be one of the most complete chronographs ever put to paper 🥃
@@ID-Guyvery true! My wife finds my Zenith obsession a bit disconcerting but the heart wants what the heart wants! 😂
@@JackoFrenchtonDoggo Tell her you can judge a lot about a person from their watch preferences 😉 Someone who's a Zenith fan... think they're a different breed of enthusiast 🥃
Yes planning on the non chorizo ceramic…. Zenith have been on my radar for several years
Such a killer brand (that I wish I had pursued sooner) 🥃
Love your design much much more than the original
And I never realised until editing that Zenith has actually released a very similar design under the "El Primero Pilot Special" - with all of these tweaks already used 😆 The more your know! 🥃
@@ID-Guy Yeah, the old Pilot Special did have most of the tweaks you proposed but I'm not a fan of the old font they used for the date. I like the new font better even though it looks too much like Arial, but at least the fonts on the new watch dial are consistent. If I have to choose within the Zenith brand, my fav would be the stainless steel Big Date Flyback with the rainbow sub-dial.
They had a similar watch for much less until recently. You must really like the date features to pay 4k+:extra for it.
You're right, it looks like across the board prices are climbing at an unrealistic rate 🥃
Yes, the 6 instead of the horizontal bar looks better 🙌🏼. I like the big date
I’m super excited about this new pilot range I love them! They are so cool and tick so many boxes one of my favorite watches right now. I do think they are too expensive though.
Good call on the 6.
It's not an original idea either, I found that with an earlier model (I think in their Elite range) they had a 6 at the base of the dial, so this horizontal might've had more to do with matching the rotor at the back OR to differentiate it from the earlier collection 🥃
It certainly appeals to me. Typing with a steel 3 hander...🥰
I always wondered what chronograph you were wearing lately and seems like my guess was right. I also think that zenith watches are amazing watches. My only problem with the brand is the pricing. I think it is fairly priced, while the marketing is rather poor. The results of it is, that I experience them to be overpriced, although you are getting a more than solid watch.
Nice video as always!
You said it saying the brand is known for a movement rather than a watch or watches. My favourite range is the chronomaster with three coloured eyes. I nearly bought one some years ago but a Rolex call came and I went that way. By the time I looked again prices had climbed and discounts were harder come buy. Just looking online seems present circumstances have brought some offers back. Maybe time to look again.
And in a strange twist of fate, I find an El Primero (for almost 50% off retail) and a few months later (my 30th around the corner) I find a Rolex at discount (because of a scratch on its clasp)... highly, highly recommend checking on Zenith again 🥃
I think you are a zenith. You are the high point of watch video commentators. You have a way of commenting on the true essence of a watch with the correct details. Start your own watch brand and i will buy your watch.
Bruce, I mean, Batman! You Legend! Seriously, thank you. You can imagine how I question myself and whether what I do is appreciated and seeing things like these is always a boost ;) ALSO have had many ideas before about starting a brand and asking if they would ever live up to the names I love talking about and studying... Never say never though 😉 Greatly appreciate it sir 🥃
@@ID-GuyHey brother, as we know decision making is hard at times and what you do for the watch community on youtube is greatly appreciated. You're an industrial engineer, take that leap of faith. Draw some sketches of your first watch, a simple dress watch or a simple dive watch. Then maybe you can acquire some watch parts to assemble a working model. I know you have some sweet ideas for watch designs in the labyrinth of your mind. We don't know how much time we have in life. The clock is ticking.
Cheers mate🍺
fun fact.. pilot watches were not originally worn by pilots, but by navigators. Pilots was wearing chronographs (Hanhart for example).
I likes your design better! But not a fan of chronografs, Inlove this watch though, gonna get the one in steel as my next watch, so incredible simple but amazing. Thanks for a great video!
I love zenith and the new pilot. Though gettin another black dial watch is overkill. Zenith if you are listening, if you make the green pilot ID made at second 8:20 i would buy that instantly
I hear you on the horizontal index in lieu of a 6. This is one of those odd decisions they made, that I actually do like, but I can't explain why. They've essentially underlined the "pilot" text, and for me, it definitely works on the chrono. Not so much on the standard dial though...
Absolutely agree on the "underline" aspect AND I didn't realise but Zenith made a Pilot (I think under the elite line) that had a large date and 6 at the base of the dial. This lil underline helps to differentiate this new collection. Quite a nice classic touch they've added. If anything, it gives you that "horizontal" point of reference on the dial 😉
I tried on the pilot in the store, it does not wear good for me. The lugs don’t turn down, and the strap looks bad on my wrist
You've nailed it withe retouch. What were they thinking with that akward minus(?) at 6?
I think that Horizontal was placed there to marry up with the Rotor at the back of the watch (which has a special detail on it) but maybe it was also done to act as an "underline" for the pilot script. Hard to know, but its definitely a bit jarring ;)
I LOVE this watch!
One more watch, which design has a lot in common with Zenit Pilot was forgotten. It is 2022 TAG Heuer Autavia Flyback chronograph. Just compare applied indices, hands and overall design. It is cool to compare it with Aquanaut, then TAG, but “c’mon, maaan” (c) Cheers :)
I'd buy your redesign.😇
Actually realised while editing that they've done similar before with the 6 at the bottom of the dial, but thank you brother 😉
cool watch i like it .... cheers
Great seeing you Craig! Hope you have an excellent weekend sir 🥃
I really really like Zenith (design, tech and history) but don't have one (today). :) ... one day. Omega (have Speedy, PO and Seamaster) and Zenith chronos are my top of the list always. 2:24-2:25 - what mech and watch is that?
I was blown away by that Zenith at the 2.24 mark and its some kind of Fusee and Chain mechanism (that I haven't explored) 😉 If you'd like some advice from me: Starting with Omega is always a fantastic base, moving over to Zenith next, even cooler! I really wish I'd looked them soon 🥃
Suprisingly (or not) in the side by side comparison it looks so much better without the 6.
Please don’t take it personally I still love your work but in this Zenith design with adding numeral 6 to the dial you’re proposing don’t you think they already thought of that and rejected it for whatever reasons? 👍
I actually realised while editing that Zenith has made this exact configuration (I think under the Elite line) a few years back. So this horizontal aspect was a good way for them to differentiate the collection ;)
I believe the horizontal line is deliberately under the ‘pilot’ and is to represent a artificial horizon.
I think you're right on this brother (marrying with the rotor) 🥃
@@ID-Guy so many details in this watch. The more you look the more you see!
@@wheelsandwatches That's Zenith through and through. I always spot something new on my A384 (even after 6+ months) 😉
Zenith rock.
But the price! Wow. And I absolutely think you4 design is better.
Definitely a "Flyback" price ;) Give it a year or two 🥃
Is there any chance that the length of the video being 10:16 has hidden meaning 😮
It does need a 6 io - definitely
Look at the dial finishing ! Jesus….
We're going to get you a Stratos one of these days 😉
Definitely a solid redesign, but I'm still not sold on that watch. For me, the three-hand is the best, but as you show in your design breakdown, its another bitsa design. I just don't expect that from the bigger companies - they should be starting with a brief and a clean sheet... That said, I do like Zenith and was blown away by the Chronomaster Sport is in person. The Revival has always been on my 'tempted' shortlist too. But I urge anyone into Zenith to look at their secondhand prices - insane bargains to be had/big losses to be made...
If it had a bracelet, I'd have a hard time not to go for this one.
Sorry, bit late to this party. Can we switch? You my pilot and I your Range Rover?
I'm sure they are great watches and all, but why |,,PiLOT my OCD is flaring up something fierce.
Nothing like having "quotations" on the dial 😉
@@ID-Guy why couldn't they go with Pilot like a normal person would????
@@drfathertime I think it has to do with paying tribute to that original "PILOTe" trademark that was taken out in 1904. The script and all those details are still on the documentation (I believe) 🥃
@@ID-Guy Ahhhhh ofc, internet has ruined my mind when I see things like "hEnLO i lIEk cAtS OkitHanKsbAI" and same with |,,PiLOT
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Stop it my Budget cant cope.
Why? The new Zeniths are too small, too boring. Compare the Zenith Chronometro Tipo CP2. QED.
The Zenith Pilot is nothing special. You could even call it a field watch. It is just large numbers on a dial. Shouldn’t a pilot watch have a dual time zone function?
mmmm dial is too clutted your design certainly was better!
Appreciate it man, the more numerals on a dial the better 😉
£12,000? Hard pass from me!
Like all things Zenith, they're absurdly overpriced. Simple as that.
Why are they overpriced? The defy is cheaper than most premium intergrated model - any piece wirh el primero movements has more legacy than a Daytona.
The Chrono Sport reignited the brand but they went and ruined it, like all group brands are forced to, by releasing right away the Open and the Original which are great but were totally ignored. This rapid fire release ruined the Sport which is now sitting on display windows. Same is happening with Tudor. Too many good releases too quick and buyers are now wary of losing too much because if they want the next one they'll take a huge loss. No wonder nobody even noticed this boring watch that could have been a Tag or Sinn. You talk about the brand as if it's building collectibles while it's unfortunately geared towards consumer-grade manufacture.
When this release dropped my immediate thoughts were: this is really nice, a lot of people will like it. But not like it enough to actually buy it.
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Awesome seeing you here John! Have a great weekend! 🍻
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I think you squeezed in first again ;) Time to get prepared for the weekend's rugga 🔥
@@ID-Guy PBL - pure blind luck …
France C will beat us … unless of course it rains , or snows…. Etc ;)
@@ericb8888 You never know, maybe a barrage of cyclists will find their route changed due to flooding etc. and they'll injure some of their valuable players mid match? 😆
@@ID-Guyperhaps we need more “ attack seagulls “?
@@ericb8888 Going to get them trained up (like homing pigeons) ;)