I worked most of this out years ago for my FC/M using C lenses. One new thing I learned here though is using flash sync on B mode. That's a new one as I thought I could only use the C lens sync port (not the one on the camera body). Thanks!
Brilliant. Im getting into tbe older 500c/m & its estly silver lenses. Not ready for the new versions yet as they cost a bomb. But as far as the 2000 body, what advantages beyond shutter speeds? If taken care of, how long are the electrical & rear shutter holding up?
It's not just the shutter speeds, but that you have a shutter in the body! This obviously broadens the range of lenses you can adapt (if you're into that, which admittedly a lot of people are) to things like barrel lenses, Pentax 67 lenses, the Jena 180 f/2.8, etc. but the real special sauce is the dedicated F and FE lenses. They don't need a shutter in the lens so they can do more with the available space - most of them are faster, sharper, or focus closer than their C series counterparts. 100 mm f/3.5 -> 110 mm f/2. 50 mm f/4 -> 50 mm f/2.8 etc.
@@Shaka1277 the flexibility interest me. As why I 1st went after the Rollei SL66 but now this can be amazing. I love the Pentax 67 but so annoyed of its limited slow flash sync. I use a lot of daylight fill flash
Can you use the focal plane shutter to go above the 1/500sec of the leaf shutters? Assuming this would work and would allow you to use the 1/2000 shutter for brighter wide open conditions? Only worry would be the tollences between the two lenses being in sync, have you film tested (or used) the 1/2000 with a c lens? Very informative vid, thank you 👍
hey, just to add a point, at 7:56 you are Almost right, but there is ONE other case where this issue arises, that of adding a digital back (CFVii50C, or other Phase One P+,IQ or others), that is shutter latency, ie: when the back uses it's e-shutter, to scan the image, it needs to know when the leaf/focal plane shutter is open, this is accomplished by a pc\sync cable in the flash socket, so you need to select the correct socket so it knows when to scan. in Laypersons terms, this 'latency' is a delay not unlike the difference between x and M flash sync; but it affects workflow, in that a 'short' setting is for electronic camera bodies, which feed this signal internally, the 'long' setting is used for adapted LF cameras, where you press a shutter button on the back or on the 'wake-up cable' and it waits for a signal that the shutter has gone off.
@@Shaka1277 on re-watching I have thought of another case where the socket selection is important, for use of broncolor/profoto strobe packs, the 205fcc (perhaps the 503CW and others) use internal flash metering, but this uses the body socket, as this "otf" circuitry is inside the main motherboard on the body; the C mode shuts off the meter, the otf sensor is in the focal plane shutter path, so using in leaf shutter mode disconnects this smart feature to. {in baffle mode, the focal plain shutter timing is different, it closes the leaf shutter, sets the iris for set opening, then opens the curtain-just an obstruction, and film safety in this mode; hence the otf sensor can't see (is covered up by the mirror)}, in Focal plane mode, the leaf shutter opens First, so the sensor can see!!, the circuitry does its shutter speed calc's and sets the system for action, and the otf reads the light and determines flash cut-off, if a socket is connected to the body.
I worked most of this out years ago for my FC/M using C lenses. One new thing I learned here though is using flash sync on B mode. That's a new one as I thought I could only use the C lens sync port (not the one on the camera body). Thanks!
If one person learns something, I consider these less "sexy" educational videos worth the effort. Happy holidays John!
@@Shaka1277 Happy Holidays Alex! 🎄
Brilliant. Im getting into tbe older 500c/m & its estly silver lenses. Not ready for the new versions yet as they cost a bomb. But as far as the 2000 body, what advantages beyond shutter speeds? If taken care of, how long are the electrical & rear shutter holding up?
It's not just the shutter speeds, but that you have a shutter in the body! This obviously broadens the range of lenses you can adapt (if you're into that, which admittedly a lot of people are) to things like barrel lenses, Pentax 67 lenses, the Jena 180 f/2.8, etc. but the real special sauce is the dedicated F and FE lenses. They don't need a shutter in the lens so they can do more with the available space - most of them are faster, sharper, or focus closer than their C series counterparts. 100 mm f/3.5 -> 110 mm f/2. 50 mm f/4 -> 50 mm f/2.8 etc.
@@Shaka1277 the flexibility interest me. As why I 1st went after the Rollei SL66 but now this can be amazing. I love the Pentax 67 but so annoyed of its limited slow flash sync. I use a lot of daylight fill flash
Can you use the focal plane shutter to go above the 1/500sec of the leaf shutters?
Assuming this would work and would allow you to use the 1/2000 shutter for brighter wide open conditions?
Only worry would be the tollences between the two lenses being in sync, have you film tested (or used) the 1/2000 with a c lens?
Very informative vid, thank you 👍
Yep, absolutely! See 03:50 on the video. I've done it and it works fine, at least with my one C series lens.
Awesome thank you, completly missed that caption!
hey, just to add a point, at 7:56 you are Almost right, but there is ONE other case where this issue arises, that of adding a digital back (CFVii50C, or other Phase One P+,IQ or others), that is shutter latency, ie: when the back uses it's e-shutter, to scan the image, it needs to know when the leaf/focal plane shutter is open, this is accomplished by a pc\sync cable in the flash socket, so you need to select the correct socket so it knows when to scan.
in Laypersons terms, this 'latency' is a delay not unlike the difference between x and M flash sync; but it affects workflow, in that a 'short' setting is for electronic camera bodies, which feed this signal internally, the 'long' setting is used for adapted LF cameras, where you press a shutter button on the back or on the 'wake-up cable' and it waits for a signal that the shutter has gone off.
Oh that's a fantastic point. I've never delved into that world so the thought never occurred to me. Thank you for bringing that up.
@@Shaka1277 on re-watching I have thought of another case where the socket selection is important, for use of broncolor/profoto strobe packs, the 205fcc (perhaps the 503CW and others) use internal flash metering, but this uses the body socket, as this "otf" circuitry is inside the main motherboard on the body; the C mode shuts off the meter, the otf sensor is in the focal plane shutter path, so using in leaf shutter mode disconnects this smart feature to. {in baffle mode, the focal plain shutter timing is different, it closes the leaf shutter, sets the iris for set opening, then opens the curtain-just an obstruction, and film safety in this mode; hence the otf sensor can't see (is covered up by the mirror)}, in Focal plane mode, the leaf shutter opens First, so the sensor can see!!, the circuitry does its shutter speed calc's and sets the system for action, and the otf reads the light and determines flash cut-off, if a socket is connected to the body.