Probably the most mindblowing game I've ever seen. That's how Chess looks like in the 3500 ELO stratosphere. These beasts are spoiling us, human chess looks dull and clumsy after contemplating games like this. Kramnik was right, the depth of Chess is unfathomable.
@@-_Nuke_- i believe in 100 years , humans would walk up to alpha zero descendants and ask "hi lets play chess" alpha zero : "ok , I win. Thanks for Playing" human: "cool thanks.
For anyone wondering why not play *bishop takes rook* at 1:55, because black takes knight on e5 with bishop and white can't recapture the bishop with the d4 pawn because his queen would be hanging. Now black has pretty much completed development while white didn't even start and he is forced to defend the d4 pawn with another pawn move.
Bishop takes Knight on e5. White only wins an exchange, but black gets a lot of activity. My engine read somewhere between -0.40 and -0.60 in Blacks favor after 3.1 Billion nodes (took me 35 min to get, which TCEC can do in 40 seconds). Here is an example line: Bd6xe5 e2-e3 c7-c5 f2-f4 Be5-c7 b3xc4 O-O Kf1-g2 c5xd4 Qd1xd4 Qd8-c8 Ba8-f3 Rf8-d8 Qd4-b2 Ba6xc4 Nb1-c3 Nb8-d7 Rh1-d1 Nd7-c5 Rd1xd8+ Bc7xd8 Qb2-c2 e6-e5 Bc1-a3 Nc5-d3 Ra1-d1 e5-e4 Bf3-e2 Qc8-c6 Kg2-g1 Bc4-b5 Rd1xd3 e4xd3 Be2xd3 Bb5xd3 Qc2xd3 Qc6-d7 Qd3xd7 Nf6xd7 Kg1-f2 f7-f6 e3-e4 Kg8-f7 Kf2-e3 g7-g6 Ke3-d4 Bd8-e7 Ba3xe7 Kf7xe7 Nc3-d5+ Ke7-f7 Kd4-e3 Nd7-c5...
Update, after 5.5 Billion nodes (a standard node count at TCEC) and I have the following: -0.55 Bd6xe5 e2-e3 c7-c5 f2-f4 Be5-c7 Kf1-g2 O-O b3xc4 c5xd4 Qd1xd4 Nb8-d7 Ba8-f3 e6-e5 Qd4-d2 Qd8-c8 Rh1-d1 Rf8-d8 Qd2-c2 Rd8-e8 Nb1-c3 Ba6xc4 Ra1-b1 e5xf4 e3xf4 Bc7-b8 Rb1-b4 Bc4-e6 Rb4-d4 Nd7-c5 Qc2-d2 Be6-h3+ Kg2-h1 Nc5-e6 Rd4-b4 Bb8-d6 Qd2xd6 Qc8xc3 Rb4-b3 Qc3-c2 Qd6-d3 Bh3-f5 Qd3-d2 Re8-c8 Rb3-a3 Nf6-e4 Qd2xc2 Rc8xc2 Kh1-g1 Ne4-f2 This is certainly "playable" for a human game (maybe even GM lvl) but not for engines.
@Agosto Ceilings black gets a knight + activity for a dormant rook. Moreover, CxB3 is also a threat after the knight is captured, messing the pawn structure of white. This trade favours black more than white I suppose. Pls correct me if I'm wrong.
that may have the best game I have ever seen. the amount of kingside pressure was ungodly the constant mating threats even being material down. then the threat of pawn promotion. I couldnt even ask for more.
OOOOHHHHH MYYYYY GOOOOOD how could you not cover Stockfish's Games, I know it is moves by engine, and engines don't think like neural networks, but just look at this game , look at the moves, look how brutal it is, I think it is one of the best games that you have ever analyzed, for the sake of chess please cover more Stockfish's games, I am still processing that light square bishop moves, that is just splendid and magnificent , I think I just fell in love with Stockfish's light square bishop, I mean that bishop was even stronger that Leela's Queen, wasn't it!!
@@angelmendez-rivera351 you should watch the recent games of the new stockfish NNUE some of the best games ive ever seen an insane queen sac against leela, and so many other amazing looking games with insane moves and postions.
@@iliillillilli2991today I re-watch this game again and if you know those games use #suggestion so Agadmator will show them on his channel, it'd be great if you share those games, Thank You !
Fun fact: My friend from home is a descendant of Georg Rotlewi who lost to Rubinstein. He told me that from his own family accounts Rotlewi was never the same and went insane as a result of this brilliancy. Wikipedia describes it as an "anxiety disorder" but yeah :(
Kinda common with older players They are brilliant = Goes insane Lose to brilliancy = Goes Insane Broke = Goes Insane Rich = Goes insane Lose one game = Go insane Their brains just overload with way to much info and doubt like a computer hard drive being pushed to the max Chess is scary
What I found interesting in this match so far is that stockfish won with both the white & black pieces .... however all of Leela's win were with the white pieces only
@@adilmehmood255 So you're basing this off of 2 wins. I'd say that's not really a big enough number to draw anything meaningful from. If they played 1 million games, and stockwish was the only one to win with black, then that would be relevant.
@@adilmehmood255 I agree. Leela prefers to simplify using forcing lines and draw with black. But stockfish is able to find strong tactics . It seems like Leela slows down the game, but stockfish csn still win by constantly keeping the tempo up
The line that was shown in the video actually doesn't work, because after bishop to h7, black king moves to h8, and white pushes his h pawn, black queen can go to e2 and threaten to capture the e6 pawn with check. So, in order to stop the queen you push the e pawn (it is now defended by the rook on the 7th rank). So, black queen to e6. White bishop to g6. Black queen to d5 (this comes with check). White king to h6. Black queen to e6. White rook to h7 (giving check to the Black king), Black King to g8. White finally pushes e8 and promotes to a queen, Black queen captures white queen on e8. White bishop captures on e8 and black loses the queen. The rest is only a matter of style how much moves you need to deliver mate, but it is over. You have a rook, a knight and 4 pawns against a king with 2 pawns. You can checkmate however you please.
@@toasterztoast1432 he was whooshing with the same tone, so we can assume negative times negative times negative = negative to you, so.. r/whoooshh! Oh wait! You used the sacred weapon "lol" so no more whoosh is relevant.
For anyone wondering, at 4:27 why K to f8 is equally losing, after white takes the pawn, there is almost no way for black to prevent white from checkmating backrank without losing a queen or a rook
And you are an excellent tree traversal explorer! It takes a lot of talent to look down each path and still hold the attention of your audience, but somehow you unpack it so it is understandable and interesting!
Vast-knowledge increaser: When playing this opening as white, Leela got into a winning position (Stockfish evalueted 152 pawns of advantage for leela), but wasnt capable of finding the winning manouvre.
she has tb support at his point, but her endgame conversion is still prone to the occasional blunder caused by some tactical blindspots in her net... hopefully test40 fixes this though, she still has a lot of potential
@@pkundrat Oh ok, only 6men? True. But as Jack points out, lots of potential seeing as with a boost of a SF engine for the last bit of 2 of those games Leela would be 3 up. So she's doing well enough in the midgame atm, but does need some refinement.
15:49 I saw Bh7+ which forces king h8. Then I saw that if I pushed the e pawn then leela could use the queen to block the queening square, so you could sack the bishop and play Rf8+. Then if KxBh7 you could push the e pawn to queen as the queen is fast enough to stop it, but she’d have to give it up as the rook protects it from f8. Then I wondered what if the king didn’t accept the bishop, which would actually leave black lost, according to my calculations. Kg7 would be met with e7 which protects the rook, and then after Qe2, white could play e8 with queen and if black sacks their queen Qxe8 then you do Rxe8 and get out of danger from the king. Then it’s just a winning rook-nothing endgame. I’m pretty proud of that as an 1100, though I guess it isn’t checkmate.
I thought I would hate a game seeing "good old stockfish dominating again" but this was surprisingly interesting. I wouldn't mind to see more of these so please don't hesitate if you ever want to show one again💯💯
#suggestion - how about a blunder series? I was just reading up on Popiel v Marco game played in 1902. Somehow I don’t think we’ll see many blunders from Stockfish or Leela.... Good video by the way, thumbs up from me.
and the bishop pair and the position of queen and bishop pair reminded me of the kasoarov and karpov 24 th match ...the match that were in interviews of kasparov where he displayed all his combinations on board just by changing peice pisitions with his hands like a magician
I find it so beautiful when there are many hanging pieces that the opponent shouldn't capture... really reminds me if the "american beauty" game... it was also really beautiful
Thanks! Very nice game and Great coverage of TCEC. It is an amazing shift in chess and AI that a self learning computer perhaps will win!! The future is here!!
Computer vs computer would normally put me to sleep, but not this match. It's much more akin to human games because of the vastly different styles of the two programs. Fascinating.
Great game by Stockfish! I prefer Leela simply because of the haunting and beautiful thumbnail this channel chose to use but I've wanted Stockfish to show some skills....and it really did in this game.
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Congratulations! You are an excellent youtuber of chess.
@@eyeofhorus1301 all I know is Leela wins most head to head matches against stockfish. Stockfish lost a bunch of tcecs to leela before. If stockfish won one, great. Unlike the stockfish fanbase I am not gonna pull a billion excuses out my arse for why that may have happened.
In the end, you showed the variation in which white doesn't win, because after bishop to h7, black king moves to h8, and white pushes his h pawn, black queen can go to e2 and threaten to capture the e6 pawn with check. I tried to play this position against stockfish 8 and after several minutes of trying I succeeded to find a variation which stockfish 8 couldn't defend (it is safe to say there is no better defense) black loses the queen after 7 moves (position starts after bishop to h7 check and black king moves to h8). Move 1) White h5, Black queen to e2. Move 2) White e7, Black queen to e6. Move 3) White bishop to g6, Black queen to d5 (this comes with check). Move 4) White king to h6, Black queen to e6. Move 5) White rook to h7 (giving check to the Black king), Black King to g8. Move 6) White finally pushes e8 and promotes to a queen, Black captures on e8. Move 7) White bishop captures on e8 and black loses the queen. The rest is only a matter of style how much moves you need to deliver mate, but it is over. You have a rook, a knight and 4 pawns against a king with 2 pawns. You can checkmate however you please.
you mention that stockfish in the same position could hold leela to draw, but in game 65 when leela had the white pieces, leela simply could not convert a won ending, stockfish had it as +150, but leela did not know how to convert. It was a won ending.
What I like about engines is that they calculate all the way to mate and then they calculate all the way to how their opponent will refute their mating ideas. That's why you will see an engine first threatening mate in one and then just grabbing a pawn that it's in the other side of the board... Engines understand that you CANT checkmate in the middlegame, therefore the formula is to create many threats so that your opponent can't defend them all at once... Here we see Stockfish on the one hand threatening mate in 1 and on the other grabbing pawns that have nothing to do with the checkmate... So... threatening mate in some moves and also threatening to capture pawns or create past pawns on your own and any defence will crumble - that's the correct way of playing chess. Never believe that you have a true attack in the middlegame, if chess is a draw (which it is) then you shouldn't have one ;)
this is true for engine chess, but if you never attack in chess its about half as fun as it could be and you will lose some games you should win because humans arent engines
@@leadnitrate2194 It's late here, but I think Bxe5 is good. Black is still down the exchange but is threatening Bxd4 winning. White stops it and then black plays c6 trapping the white bishop on a8 which will eventually be lost. That is my guess.
Quite simply, chess engines have been programmed to play like people. Very, very smart people, but they play by the rules of thumb that have been developed over the last 150 years or so of human chess. Leela and Alpha Zero, OTOH, have taught themselves what works and what doesn't work, and have come to conclusions different from those reached by human chess masters. This is why their play is more interesting (if watching a game between two machines is interesting) - they do unexpected things for reasons that are sometimes not entirely clear. Watching them we learn new things about a game we thought we already understood. Engines' play is human play, as nearly perfected as it can be. AI play is the play of an alien mind - mysterious and unexpected.
Also it's not entirely true because neural networks train themselves based on very basic rules and metrics you ask them to watch for. And the result will depend on these metrics, which inherently, come from the human mind that wrote the code. We can thus argue that even neural networks are still kind of dependant on what we think might be worth taking into account when building the network.
Chess engines are cold and very calculated. This makes them predictable to a certain degree. Alpha Zero is an entirely different entity. After learning a lot about chess, it realized that the most important aspect in this game is the position. You'll see it sacrificing a pawn or piece early in game for a small positional advantage which it will snowball to the point it will win the game, no matter how perfectly the opponent plays. It really is mind blowing, and it taught us a few lessons about chess.
@@hansderhalbe9229 It is probably more accurate to say that humans play like neural nets. Because human brains basically are neural nets. Just slow, suboptimal ones (in this context) constantly distracted by a million other things besides learning how to play chess, and insufficiently trained due to the slow speed of self-play. Chess engines have been programmed with all the knowledge humans have about chess, but they don't play like humans because their architecture is fundamentally different. The neural nets play like superhumans because they do have an architecture that is more similar to human brains, without the human brains' weaknesses when it comes to chess. We could say that the chess engines are a distillation of the human science of chess, while the neural nets recapitulate the human instinct and artistry of chess.
It seems odd that one engine would be able gain such an amount of advantage against another (they don't blunder), so I analyzed the game with Stockfish 10 and it seems that Leela had indeed made a blunder at 38. gxh6 gxh6. Here the engine evaluates the position as slightly better +1.6 if black played Rxf3 instead of gxh6 which evaluates to +5, a huge advance! So I'm curious how this could have happened?
#suggestion Akiba Rubenstein vs Orlrich Duras 1912 Oldrich Duras vs Rudolf Spielmann 1912 (hell battery) Oldrich Duras vs Rudolf Spielmann 1907 can you please do a game of Oldrich duras. It will be such a treat for us who plays duras gambit.
@agadmator:please do a short video of the Night and 2pawns vs Bishop & 1 pawn.leela vs stockfish.leela failed to convert when her eval was +10.should be game 65 or so.
Guys I ask for help. I use to play chess when I was around 9. Now at 21 I want to get back into it, and have watched many of his videos trying to learn. But I, as basically a beginner, have no idea as to strategies, things to build/develop, and seeing multiple moves ahead. Is there any advice, video, comment, or anything alike to help me become the best I can be?
Maybe a little late but there are lots of videos on RUclips to help you get better for eg. Gotham Chess and Agadmator himself. And the best way to get better is to learn from your mistakes. Analyse the games that you play (easy to do so if online) and note your mistakes. Also note what moves were better and most importantly WHY they were better. Also if you read this, since you posted this quite some time ago I'd like to know how you're doing today 🙂
This is creepy that a computer can learn more than a human so quickly. The terminator series sounds not too far away. I can see a scenario like that happening
9:10 if all of those pieces that are in the way of black knights d3, e2, g2, and h3 are bishops the knight can’t take any of them for any amount of correct played moves
That feeling when I saw the white king flying to capture the knight
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4:24
Oh no... not the KING...
Mind blowing
Probably the most mindblowing game I've ever seen. That's how Chess looks like in the 3500 ELO stratosphere. These beasts are spoiling us, human chess looks dull and clumsy after contemplating games like this. Kramnik was right, the depth of Chess is unfathomable.
Perfectly worded comment 👌
This game is pretty mindblowing... check out this one too ruclips.net/video/NaMs2dBouoQ/видео.html
exactly my thought. i literally have goosebumps lol
Correct!
Yeah, I wonder how chess in 100 years will look like. Surely not like it does today!!!
@@-_Nuke_- i believe in 100 years , humans would walk up to alpha zero descendants and ask "hi lets play chess" alpha zero : "ok , I win. Thanks for Playing"
human: "cool thanks.
For anyone wondering why not play *bishop takes rook* at 1:55, because black takes knight on e5 with bishop and white can't recapture the bishop with the d4 pawn because his queen would be hanging. Now black has pretty much completed development while white didn't even start and he is forced to defend the d4 pawn with another pawn move.
Excellent analysis.
Bishop takes Knight on e5. White only wins an exchange, but black gets a lot of activity. My engine read somewhere between -0.40 and -0.60 in Blacks favor after 3.1 Billion nodes (took me 35 min to get, which TCEC can do in 40 seconds). Here is an example line: Bd6xe5 e2-e3 c7-c5 f2-f4 Be5-c7 b3xc4 O-O Kf1-g2 c5xd4 Qd1xd4 Qd8-c8 Ba8-f3 Rf8-d8 Qd4-b2 Ba6xc4 Nb1-c3 Nb8-d7 Rh1-d1 Nd7-c5 Rd1xd8+ Bc7xd8 Qb2-c2 e6-e5 Bc1-a3 Nc5-d3 Ra1-d1 e5-e4 Bf3-e2 Qc8-c6 Kg2-g1 Bc4-b5 Rd1xd3 e4xd3 Be2xd3 Bb5xd3 Qc2xd3 Qc6-d7 Qd3xd7 Nf6xd7 Kg1-f2 f7-f6 e3-e4 Kg8-f7 Kf2-e3 g7-g6 Ke3-d4 Bd8-e7 Ba3xe7 Kf7xe7 Nc3-d5+ Ke7-f7 Kd4-e3 Nd7-c5...
Update, after 5.5 Billion nodes (a standard node count at TCEC) and I have the following:
-0.55 Bd6xe5 e2-e3 c7-c5 f2-f4 Be5-c7 Kf1-g2 O-O b3xc4 c5xd4 Qd1xd4 Nb8-d7 Ba8-f3 e6-e5 Qd4-d2 Qd8-c8 Rh1-d1 Rf8-d8 Qd2-c2 Rd8-e8 Nb1-c3 Ba6xc4 Ra1-b1 e5xf4 e3xf4 Bc7-b8 Rb1-b4 Bc4-e6 Rb4-d4 Nd7-c5 Qc2-d2 Be6-h3+ Kg2-h1 Nc5-e6 Rd4-b4 Bb8-d6 Qd2xd6 Qc8xc3 Rb4-b3 Qc3-c2 Qd6-d3 Bh3-f5 Qd3-d2 Re8-c8 Rb3-a3 Nf6-e4 Qd2xc2 Rc8xc2 Kh1-g1 Ne4-f2
This is certainly "playable" for a human game (maybe even GM lvl) but not for engines.
@Agosto Ceilings How was it free before? The king was in check.
@Agosto Ceilings black gets a knight + activity for a dormant rook. Moreover, CxB3 is also a threat after the knight is captured, messing the pawn structure of white. This trade favours black more than white I suppose. Pls correct me if I'm wrong.
that may have the best game I have ever seen. the amount of kingside pressure was ungodly the constant mating threats even being material down. then the threat of pawn promotion. I couldnt even ask for more.
Vast knowledge 0:00
First move 1:11
Completely new game 2:23
Find next move 15:36
Will there ever be another salt chronicles episode because I'm losing hope
A Kripparino here? Kripparinos are so uncivilized.
You missed the King flight 4:24
Lol you memorized his pattern. But theres no guess who's in the pic
OOOOHHHHH MYYYYY GOOOOOD how could you not cover Stockfish's Games, I know it is moves by engine, and engines don't think like neural networks, but just look at this game , look at the moves, look how brutal it is, I think it is one of the best games that you have ever analyzed, for the sake of chess please cover more Stockfish's games, I am still processing that light square bishop moves, that is just splendid and magnificent , I think I just fell in love with Stockfish's light square bishop, I mean that bishop was even stronger that Leela's Queen, wasn't it!!
True. Sometimes stockfish turns BRUTAL
But most Stockfish games are not this good. That was the point of his comment.
@@angelmendez-rivera351 you should watch the recent games of the new stockfish NNUE some of the best games ive ever seen an insane queen sac against leela, and so many other amazing looking games with insane moves and postions.
@@iliillillilli2991today I re-watch this game again and if you know those games use #suggestion so Agadmator will show them on his channel, it'd be great if you share those games, Thank You !
F*#king finally! About time the seafood won something.
Ikr, why is stockfish so bad at chess?😂
@@josephcrespo7822 Most fish are.
@@josephcrespo7822 Stockfish+NNUE is completely winning and also Stockfish is the highest rated computer in the world
@@Ultrabeast-ok2ou would love to see another rematch between nuee fish and A0
@@Ultrabeast-ok2ou leela always beats stockfish now
Fun fact: My friend from home is a descendant of Georg Rotlewi who lost to Rubinstein. He told me that from his own family accounts Rotlewi was never the same and went insane as a result of this brilliancy. Wikipedia describes it as an "anxiety disorder" but yeah :(
Kinda common with older players
They are brilliant = Goes insane
Lose to brilliancy = Goes Insane
Broke = Goes Insane
Rich = Goes insane
Lose one game = Go insane
Their brains just overload with way to much info and doubt like a computer hard drive being pushed to the max
Chess is scary
@@Sundowner777 Thank God i'll never have that problem ; ).
woah
4:24 And in this position, Leela simply stopped caring about the rules of chess.
That’s Stockfish :)
This game, as well as Akibo Rubenstein's, reminds all of us chess players why we rank the bishop #1, above all other pieces.
What I found interesting in this match so far is that stockfish won with both the white & black pieces .... however all of Leela's win were with the white pieces only
Small sample size. How many wins has Stockfish actually got with the black pieces?
@@SuperYtc1 2 out of 8 wins are with black till now..ie around 79 games
@@adilmehmood255 So you're basing this off of 2 wins. I'd say that's not really a big enough number to draw anything meaningful from. If they played 1 million games, and stockwish was the only one to win with black, then that would be relevant.
@@SuperYtc1 Not drawing anything..i just found it interesting...
@@adilmehmood255 I agree. Leela prefers to simplify using forcing lines and draw with black. But stockfish is able to find strong tactics . It seems like Leela slows down the game, but stockfish csn still win by constantly keeping the tempo up
"You are an excellent checkmater of neural networks..."
There is no spoon
Ok course i am an excellent crusher of AIs
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The line that was shown in the video actually doesn't work, because after bishop to h7, black king moves to h8, and white pushes his h pawn, black queen can go to e2 and threaten to capture the e6 pawn with check. So, in order to stop the queen you push the e pawn (it is now defended by the rook on the 7th rank). So, black queen to e6. White bishop to g6. Black queen to d5 (this comes with check).
White king to h6.
Black queen to e6.
White rook to h7 (giving check to the Black king), Black King to g8.
White finally pushes e8 and promotes to a queen, Black queen captures white queen on e8. White bishop captures on e8 and black loses the queen.
The rest is only a matter of style how much moves you need to deliver mate, but it is over. You have a rook, a knight and 4 pawns against a king with 2 pawns. You can checkmate however you please.
@@smrtfasizmu6161 couldn't white just stop queen capture with rook e7?
4:23 Pawn recaptures queen and now King G1 captures C6 with a tempo on the black queen.
(Stockfish’s flying sardineking gambit denied)
*Denied*
4:23 IN THE SPIRIT OF MIKHAIL TAL
That feeling when you are called an "excellent master of check-mating neural networks"
this stockfish guy is really good, maybe he needs to apply for an engine job.
BrUh stOcKfiSh is AlreaDy a EngiNe
@@condoriano1469 r/WhOoOoSh
@@BekeroParyin woooooosh
@@BekeroParyin lol
@@toasterztoast1432 he was whooshing with the same tone, so we can assume negative times negative times negative = negative to you, so.. r/whoooshh! Oh wait! You used the sacred weapon "lol" so no more whoosh is relevant.
"Without further ado... [a bit more ado]" - Classic agadmator :)
For anyone wondering, at 4:27 why K to f8 is equally losing, after white takes the pawn, there is almost no way for black to prevent white from checkmating backrank without losing a queen or a rook
And you are an excellent tree traversal explorer! It takes a lot of talent to look down each path and still hold the attention of your audience, but somehow you unpack it so it is understandable and interesting!
So many complications, a true game in the spirit of Mikhail Tal
Vast-knowledge increaser: When playing this opening as white, Leela got into a winning position (Stockfish evalueted 152 pawns of advantage for leela), but wasnt capable of finding the winning manouvre.
...and on move 15, Agadmator creates completely new game by pushing f4... 3:04 :D
7:05 " how this bishop keeps wiggling in "
bishop ft snoop : " wiggle wiggle wiggle "
4:24 that’s one crazy king
1:23... Yes it was held to a draw... But the position was lost :( poor Leela and her lack of TBs
SF does not have 7men TB either and saw Leela's win too. That was another Leela blunder.
she has tb support at his point, but her endgame conversion is still prone to the occasional blunder caused by some tactical blindspots in her net...
hopefully test40 fixes this though, she still has a lot of potential
@@pkundrat Oh ok, only 6men?
True.
But as Jack points out, lots of potential seeing as with a boost of a SF engine for the last bit of 2 of those games Leela would be 3 up.
So she's doing well enough in the midgame atm, but does need some refinement.
@@wolffang21burgers Yes - very promising but if she saw those perpetuals, she would be already dominant.
15:49
I saw Bh7+ which forces king h8. Then I saw that if I pushed the e pawn then leela could use the queen to block the queening square, so you could sack the bishop and play Rf8+. Then if KxBh7 you could push the e pawn to queen as the queen is fast enough to stop it, but she’d have to give it up as the rook protects it from f8. Then I wondered what if the king didn’t accept the bishop, which would actually leave black lost, according to my calculations. Kg7 would be met with e7 which protects the rook, and then after Qe2, white could play e8 with queen and if black sacks their queen Qxe8 then you do Rxe8 and get out of danger from the king. Then it’s just a winning rook-nothing endgame. I’m pretty proud of that as an 1100, though I guess it isn’t checkmate.
I thought I would hate a game seeing "good old stockfish dominating again" but this was surprisingly interesting.
I wouldn't mind to see more of these so please don't hesitate if you ever want to show one again💯💯
dude this game is awesome, can we get more of these
That moment when you think Agadmator said "this is just awesome" for the Queen move but then he plays Kxd5.
1:54 whats the problem with capturing the rook on a8
Queen hangs when bishop captures knight on the next move and next the possible outcomes are terrible for one rook!
That was absolutely insane. Absolutely insane.
It reminds of Lela's game where she had that beautiful bishop pair as well and just kept pressing on the King's side!
Amazing Game !
Really Enjoyed 👍
#suggestion - how about a blunder series? I was just reading up on Popiel v Marco game played in 1902. Somehow I don’t think we’ll see many blunders from Stockfish or Leela....
Good video by the way, thumbs up from me.
Leela has blundered some winning positions to a draw and some drawn positions to a loss.
(5:32) U can't *N×e6*
Bcoz in response *Nd8* comes!!!
U can't move your knight(white)
As queen is pinned!!!
and the bishop pair and the position of queen and bishop pair reminded me of the kasoarov and karpov 24 th match ...the match that were in interviews of kasparov where he displayed all his combinations on board just by changing peice pisitions with his hands like a magician
This is just amazing! Those machines can produce incredibly beautiful games, like out of this world!
This is my favorite RUclips channel in the world.
I find it so beautiful when there are many hanging pieces that the opponent shouldn't capture... really reminds me if the "american beauty" game... it was also really beautiful
That blew my mind. Such an elegant game from an engine!
Thanks! Very nice game and Great coverage of TCEC. It is an amazing shift in chess and AI that a self learning computer perhaps will win!! The future is here!!
When you moved the king hella hard like a bishop I bust out laughing Agad :)
I went back in time to see the Rubenstein game - who was that boy doing the commentary!!
My favourite agad video. Great job, and nice explanation.
This is the most exciting game I´ve ever seen. Ever.
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Why didn't stockfish capture the rook with its bishop? Bxa8 is a great move according to me. Anyone knows why stockfish didn't do it?
i think that stockfish guy might be using an engine
I love your videos Agad!! :)
Computer vs computer would normally put me to sleep, but not this match. It's much more akin to human games because of the vastly different styles of the two programs. Fascinating.
"checkmater of neural networks" hahahaha I dont know why thats so funny
Agadmator: this monstrosity
Also agadmator: it's very beautiful
Wow 😮. What a computable game.
Great game by Stockfish! I prefer Leela simply because of the haunting and beautiful thumbnail this channel chose to use but I've wanted Stockfish to show some skills....and it really did in this game.
Congratulations! You are an excellent youtuber of chess.
How to troll Leela 101. Zig zag that bishop all the way from your king to her king and there's nothing she can do to stop you. I love Stockfish 😂 👌
Too bad stockfish now gets destroyed by leela in pretty much every head to head competition. Oh well
@@fickificki2391 Stockfish just won the last TCEC over her convincingly.
@@eyeofhorus1301 all I know is Leela wins most head to head matches against stockfish. Stockfish lost a bunch of tcecs to leela before. If stockfish won one, great. Unlike the stockfish fanbase I am not gonna pull a billion excuses out my arse for why that may have happened.
@@fickificki2391 even 1 is huge since its a 100 game match very long time controls on strongest hardware and proves its still very competitive
@@fickificki2391 And it was the most recent one so SF is currently the champ
Thanks Agadmator, beautiful game.
What about the quote by Shakespeare, I don't think it is related to this game!
Every move gives me chills lol. Scary how engines could play like that.
In the end, you showed the variation in which white doesn't win, because after bishop to h7, black king moves to h8, and white pushes his h pawn, black queen can go to e2 and threaten to capture the e6 pawn with check. I tried to play this position against stockfish 8 and after several minutes of trying I succeeded to find a variation which stockfish 8 couldn't defend (it is safe to say there is no better defense) black loses the queen after 7 moves (position starts after bishop to h7 check and black king moves to h8).
Move 1) White h5, Black queen to e2.
Move 2) White e7, Black queen to e6.
Move 3) White bishop to g6, Black queen to d5 (this comes with check).
Move 4) White king to h6, Black queen to e6.
Move 5) White rook to h7 (giving check to the Black king), Black King to g8.
Move 6) White finally pushes e8 and promotes to a queen, Black captures on e8.
Move 7) White bishop captures on e8 and black loses the queen.
The rest is only a matter of style how much moves you need to deliver mate, but it is over. You have a rook, a knight and 4 pawns against a king with 2 pawns. You can checkmate however you please.
you mention that stockfish in the same position could hold leela to draw, but in game 65 when leela had the white pieces, leela simply could not convert a won ending, stockfish had it as +150, but leela did not know how to convert. It was a won ending.
i think the greatest game i ever seen ...
What I like about engines is that they calculate all the way to mate and then they calculate all the way to how their opponent will refute their mating ideas.
That's why you will see an engine first threatening mate in one and then just grabbing a pawn that it's in the other side of the board...
Engines understand that you CANT checkmate in the middlegame, therefore the formula is to create many threats so that your opponent can't defend them all at once... Here we see Stockfish on the one hand threatening mate in 1 and on the other grabbing pawns that have nothing to do with the checkmate... So... threatening mate in some moves and also threatening to capture pawns or create past pawns on your own and any defence will crumble - that's the correct way of playing chess.
Never believe that you have a true attack in the middlegame, if chess is a draw (which it is) then you shouldn't have one ;)
this is true for engine chess, but if you never attack in chess its about half as fun as it could be and you will lose some games you should win because humans arent engines
3 views and 28 likes 🧐 Agadmator has broken the RUclips algorithm with his superior knowledge
@1:56 after black plats Bd6, it seems like his rook on a8 is en prise? Why can't white take it?
It's been a year and I'm still wondering about that.
@@leadnitrate2194 It's late here, but I think Bxe5 is good. Black is still down the exchange but is threatening Bxd4 winning. White stops it and then black plays c6 trapping the white bishop on a8 which will eventually be lost. That is my guess.
That Rxe5 was simply amazing!
Quite simply, chess engines have been programmed to play like people. Very, very smart people, but they play by the rules of thumb that have been developed over the last 150 years or so of human chess. Leela and Alpha Zero, OTOH, have taught themselves what works and what doesn't work, and have come to conclusions different from those reached by human chess masters. This is why their play is more interesting (if watching a game between two machines is interesting) - they do unexpected things for reasons that are sometimes not entirely clear. Watching them we learn new things about a game we thought we already understood. Engines' play is human play, as nearly perfected as it can be. AI play is the play of an alien mind - mysterious and unexpected.
Also it's not entirely true because neural networks train themselves based on very basic rules and metrics you ask them to watch for. And the result will depend on these metrics, which inherently, come from the human mind that wrote the code.
We can thus argue that even neural networks are still kind of dependant on what we think might be worth taking into account when building the network.
Chess engines are cold and very calculated. This makes them predictable to a certain degree. Alpha Zero is an entirely different entity. After learning a lot about chess, it realized that the most important aspect in this game is the position. You'll see it sacrificing a pawn or piece early in game for a small positional advantage which it will snowball to the point it will win the game, no matter how perfectly the opponent plays. It really is mind blowing, and it taught us a few lessons about chess.
@@hansderhalbe9229 It is probably more accurate to say that humans play like neural nets. Because human brains basically are neural nets. Just slow, suboptimal ones (in this context) constantly distracted by a million other things besides learning how to play chess, and insufficiently trained due to the slow speed of self-play. Chess engines have been programmed with all the knowledge humans have about chess, but they don't play like humans because their architecture is fundamentally different. The neural nets play like superhumans because they do have an architecture that is more similar to human brains, without the human brains' weaknesses when it comes to chess. We could say that the chess engines are a distillation of the human science of chess, while the neural nets recapitulate the human instinct and artistry of chess.
@@hansderhalbe9229 We are suboptimal for chess. Better at certain other things.
The dog always seems to go berserko right when you say "Hello everyone!"
This win by stockfish felt like a strong old grandmaster like Lasker/Steinitz making a comeback....
I felt like this was Garry Kasparov's immortal game as the rook took the pawn defended by a pawn
Wow no human would ever play a game like this, absolutely crazy
simply the best computer game ever...Rxp !....i never saw it
When I saw “stockfish immortal”, I thought “this had better be good.” Also, it’s my birthday today.
Heck, I don't care who wins, a beautiful game is beautiful regardless of who (or what) gets the point!
i think that is not the reason why agadmator always choose Leela's game...
I think agadmator is In Love with Leela..
hhhhhmmmm...
Of course. Leela plays like Tal.
I do enjoy the small, deliberate, seemingly passive but highly strategic moves made by engines, where humans would blunder after blunder
It seems odd that one engine would be able gain such an amount of advantage against another (they don't blunder), so I analyzed the game with Stockfish 10 and it seems that Leela had indeed made a blunder at 38. gxh6 gxh6. Here the engine evaluates the position as slightly better +1.6 if black played Rxf3 instead of gxh6 which evaluates to +5, a huge advance! So I'm curious how this could have happened?
This game art is another dimension
UnReal Chess
This is just mind blowing
king sacrifice agadmators variation
Yeah baby those latest patches increased centipawns by over 2000
Leela and Stockfish are really making for a "banging" couple.
Can you explain why white didn’t capture the rook on A8 after black played D6 on move 8-9? Instead capturing the pawn with Nc4
Finally the Stockfish's victory :D
#suggestion
Akiba Rubenstein vs Orlrich Duras 1912
Oldrich Duras vs Rudolf Spielmann 1912 (hell battery)
Oldrich Duras vs Rudolf Spielmann 1907
can you please do a game of Oldrich duras. It will be such a treat for us who plays duras gambit.
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Why not Bishop captures rook on a8??
I have the same question!!
the fish turned on the Tal mode !
Yes, when Stockfish gets ghost of a chance is a Terminator. Leela usually fails to convert winning positions.
Wonderful game and excellent analysis by king 🤴 Agadmator
For those wondering why not take the Black rook at 1 : 55 please read ThePavelKomin 's comment , he / she explained it perfectly
One of my favorite games for sure
Don't know why I laughed when you moved king up the board lol
I'm picturing Leela as Boris Spassky standing and applauding Stockfish as Bobby Fischer here...
Anyone else?
No?
Just me then. :P
Me 2
@agadmator:please do a short video of the Night and 2pawns vs Bishop & 1 pawn.leela vs stockfish.leela failed to convert when her eval was +10.should be game 65 or so.
The great bishop march!
Guys I ask for help. I use to play chess when I was around 9. Now at 21 I want to get back into it, and have watched many of his videos trying to learn. But I, as basically a beginner, have no idea as to strategies, things to build/develop, and seeing multiple moves ahead.
Is there any advice, video, comment, or anything alike to help me become the best I can be?
Maybe a little late but there are lots of videos on RUclips to help you get better for eg. Gotham Chess and Agadmator himself. And the best way to get better is to learn from your mistakes. Analyse the games that you play (easy to do so if online) and note your mistakes. Also note what moves were better and most importantly WHY they were better.
Also if you read this, since you posted this quite some time ago I'd like to know how you're doing today 🙂
This game reminds me of Kasparov when he lost to deep blue in 1997, he said 'chess will never be the same again'.
I was waiting for Stock fish (new version) to challenge Alpha zero!
This is creepy that a computer can learn more than a human so quickly. The terminator series sounds not too far away. I can see a scenario like that happening
Respect for Stockfish restored😁
What an amazing game..
9:10 if all of those pieces that are in the way of black knights d3, e2, g2, and h3 are bishops the knight can’t take any of them for any amount of correct played moves