It Was A Pirate! | Stockfish vs AlphaZero
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Dutch Defense: Leningrad, Main Line (A88)
1. d4 f5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. g3 g6 4. Bg2 Bg7 5. O-O O-O 6. c4 d6 7. Nc3 c6 8. Rb1 a5 9. Qb3 Na6 10. Rd1 h6 11. Be3 Rb8 12. Rbc1 Bd7 13. c5+ Kh7 14. Na4 Nc7 15. Bd2 Be6 16. Qc2 Ncd5 17. b3 Ra8 18. Be1 Qe8 19. e3 g5 20. Nd2 Qh5 21. Bf3 g4 22. Be2 Kh8 23. Nc4 Ne4 24. h4 Ng5 25. hxg5 hxg5 26. f3 gxf3 27. Bf1 f4 28. Rd2 fxe3 29. Nxe3 Nxe3 30. Rh2 30... Bh3 31. Rxh3 Qxh3 32. Bxh3 Nxc2 33. Rxc2 Bxd4+ 34. Bf2 Bxf2+ 35. Kxf2 Kg7 36. Nb6 Rad8 37. Rc3 Rh8 38. Be6 Rh6 39. Re3 Rf8 40. Nd7 Rh2+ 41. Kf1 Re2 42. Rxe2 fxe2+ 43. Kxe2 Rh8 44. Kd3 Rh6 45. Bg4 d5 46. Ne5 e6 47. Nd7 Kf7 48. Ke3 Rh1 49. Bf3 Re1+ 50. Kd2 Ra1 51. Bd1 Ke7 52. Ne5 Kf6 53. Ng4+ Kf5 54. Nh6+ Ke4 55. Nf7 g4 56. Nd6+ Kd4 57. a4 Ra2+ 58. Ke1 Kxc5 59. Nxb7+ Kb6 60. Nd8 Rg2 61. Nxe6 Rxg3 62. Kf2 Rc3 63. Bxg4 Rxb3 64. Bd1 Rb4 65. Kf3 Re4
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Me thinking: Queen b3 has a nice check after pawn c5.
Agadmator: White lost that game.
not allowing the check(like Be6) would instantly lose the game for black(which is a deception for human eye) so Alphazero plays Bd7 to allow c5+ consolidating his pawn structure for a winning end game.
😂😂😂😂
Amartuvshin Altaisaikhan mM
And this is why alpha zero is the base for an unbeatable computer chess engine. If alpha zero isn’t unbeatable by humans already
dont worry. u found the move of an engine many times smarter than any human(except for u)
The ability of Alpha Zero to sacrifice pieces to open up positions and ultimately crush its opponent is just marvellous !
Reminiscent of young Kasparov.
RK831 you mean Tal
@@iargueta1220 Tal 🔥
Unlikely cause even half way through the game the og alpha will have the better position it would be more interesting to swap stock fish and alpha half way through
@@hihi-ol5um Interesting
Just curious... What if we take one of the critical positions from the Alpha Zero vs. Stockfish games, and have Alpha Zero defend against itself from that point on. Would the original Alpha Zero still be able to win? Or will the substituted Alpha Zero be able to defend properly where Stockfish couldn't...??
Alpha Zero "trains" exclusively through playing against itself. I would guess that the Alpha Zero that came into the game later would have a disadvantage due to the moves Stockfish had already played. It's kinda like letting you play against a 5 year-old and then when he loses take one of the critical positions from that game and let you play against yourself. The "original" you would have the upper hand because he didn't have a 5 year-old playing for him. The only difference here is that you and me are a lot more fallible than Alpha Zero, so our original might end up making a fatal mistake against ourselves allowing a recovery. Alpha Zero, once it has the advantage, never lets it go.
@@NLTops i mean it could work
@@NLTops i like the comparison between a 5 year old human and stockfish. Pretty accurate against alpha
@@jeremymcadam7400 is that sarcasm or. not.
Depends on if the difference created by weakness of stockfish was significant enough for AlphaZero to keep winning.
If you understand this game you are an excellent robot.
You can't identify all the picutres with traffic lights then.
Bullshit this is against SF 8, SF 10+ regulary crushes Leela when google deep mind doesn't cheat
I meant you'll fail captcha test where google tells you to select images with street lights
@1.3B • Views Deepmind: doesn't make any illegal moves in chess.
Guy that fights windmills: Cheater!
I'm a Pirate!
6:10 if that a5 pawn could think: oh no i'm under attack, but i have nothing to worry, that bishop would never get me because i don't worth enough
The pawn was defended and even if it wasnt you would just pin yourself it would be a blunder
I just wanted to tell you Agadmator that after months of watching your channel, despite never really being into Chess my whole life (I am 31), I went played my first few games on Lichess! I lost a classic game, then lost a Rapid then I won a 5+3 and did it because he didnt protect his 'back rank weakness' you are always talking about!
He should watch more Agad! Its a great feeling. Pls never stop. You are possibly the best channel on YT. You are amazing. Ty.
I’m glad Alpha also likes the Dutch defense
Stockfish should have kept playing, then resign on move 69.
Ah yes an intellectual
Engines can't resign
I’ve played chess as a hobby, very sporadically, for some time now (probably ~500 games). I’m not very good, but I’ve always found your videos to really be excellent.
This was the first video of yours where I was actually able to keep up with the strategic hypotheticals (“captures, captures, captures...”) and not get lost due to being out of my depth. After a lot of listening, the discussions you have are starting to make a lot more sense to me from a tactical standpoint.
Just wanted to say that, as well as thank you for your analyses! You really do a great job!
I'm in the same boat. If you're on chess.com, add me. Let's play a game. I'm only ELO 700ish. Search up user: PvtGrass.
Congratulations. You're an excellent returner of books.
Roses are red
Violets are blue
left a good agadmator's video
to watch another good one too
Just a little explanation about the differences between Alpha and Stockfish:
Stockfish operates ‘traditionally’ and checks every move and subsequent moves for viability. Alpha uses an entirely different type of algorithm which ‘thinks’ more similarly to a human because it omits moves without actually checking them for viability first.
It uses a deep learning neural network which takes all the chess board data in, then a bunch of magic maths is done, then the output is the move Alpha wants to take. The ‘magic maths’ is progressively honed and refined during Alpha’s allowed training time before games.
@Rosy Afternoon actually, even with his database Stockfish still cant do much against Alpha, If you study deep learning's basics you will understand that Alpha actually just gets better simply by playing, and this fact will grants Alpha a absolute superiority over time..
@Rosy Afternoon or maybe one day we will be able to create a a perfect playing machine, just like what we already have right now in checkers, a machine that can only draw or win in a game because It already calculated the best move for EVERY single position that can occur in a game
I love you infinitely Agad thanks for the A0 games best part of my day is your videos
Those rook maneuvers to win that a-pawn were very interesting and informative! I'm looking forward to the Capablanca series, he was one of the greats of the game. His end game knowledge was unsurpassed.
I love this series, but it would be nice to know when the TCEC opening moves are over and the engines themselves start playing their moves.
Played like AlphaZero without even pausing the video. I truly feel like an excellent subscriber.
Instead of Rook capturing Bishop on H3, what if Bishop on F1 capture Bishop H3 ?
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Bishop then to E5 would make Rook open check, and prevent the King move to G8.
Else if Qeen captures the Bishop on H3, then the Rook capture Bishop on H3 and Check.
When the Black King moves, White Qeen can escape the threat from F3 Hourse and if moved to H7 could give a Check.
I keep asking my self the same
If Bxh3 - Nxc2
Rc2 - Bd4
Bf2 - Bxf2
Rxf2 - now u get Kg7 to unpin queen as next move from white will be to move light square bishop, now black has a queen and 2 pawns (pawn on f2 will be lost i am not sure) for a bishop and a knight and the knight is still on bad spot.
Now my 1st thought was if Bh3 - Nxc2 to move bishop away, you cant move to f5 e6 d7 cuz you lose a piece after black plays Bxd4 and pushes f2 ending up in worst situation. So it thought playing Bf1 could be played but this is actually just the same. Black can just play
Bf1 - Bxd4+
Bf2 - Bxf2+ you block with bishop
Either move now loses a piece.
Black can also play
Bf1 - f2+
Bxf2 - Qxh2+
Kxh2 - Rxf2+ here black is just a full rook up
Conclusion: Bh3 is a blunder
I recreated this game on Lichess and looked at Stockfish 11 suggestions and evaluations. After 7:16 pawn push the evaluation was +0.8 and it was suggesting Q>f7 for black after which the evaluation was still 0.8. But instead I played the Alpha move with Knight to g5 and initially it shot up evaluation high in favour of white but slowly as it processed more it came down and came to -0.7. This is one of those instances which make me love AI engines.
12:20 The material balance is not one rook for a bishop and a knight, it is one rook AND three pawns for a bishop and a knight. So it's Black who's actually got a big material advantage. Agadmator tends to ignore the pawns when taking stock of the material. Same story at 14:20, "OK, you've got a bishop and a knight for my rook..." Well, for my rook and two pawns, one of them a passed e-pawn...
Stockfish lost this more than A0 won. Game was over at 6:38 with Be2 according to current SF15. Super cool reviewing old engine games with the newest models
I know you had that Tal picture for ages but it is so creepy XD
Sorry Antonio. 14:40 u need the bishop to attack the base of the pawnchain, knight from d7 to c6, blocks the pawn path and defend the c8 square for the bishop to attack the pawn
At 12:30 I like bishop to G4 much better than the knight move. Impossible to defend that pass pawn for black.
it's about who won and how enjoyable the games are.
afla not only calculates like machine but also thinks like a human... a total beast.
Looking forward to the Capablanca series! I ordered the book by Edward Winter
brilliant exposition of the significance of the alphazero games
At 1 million subs agad should do more alpha zero. Just about 750k rn and growing so fast.
At 9:57 after black pawn moves to f2 why not just Bxf2 followed by exf2, Qxf2, Rxf2, Rxh5 with check, Kg8, Kxf2?
Classic Tony Phrases: "although" "he will allow it" "He's not interested" "that's unfortunate"
I was so bored asking myself where is agad why no video today so i was watching your old videos to have fun and here is notification for new one thanks
Alpha sees how to evaluate pawns more. He sees in endgame and possibilities for promotion.
Question please: What opening(s) would Alpha Zero play if given its choice? Thanks.
Queen's Gambit and English Opening.
Almost always it started with d4.
It would be interesting to see alpha zero down under(starts without knight) and see how good it is under pressure. This would certainly exhibit zeros defensive capabilities
please make a video Alpha (handicap) vs Stockfish 8
handicap = without 1 pawn or knight from beginning.
Was such a game really played by Deepmind?
I don't know. But it should be played, because Alpha is too strong for Stockfish
The program is not available for public yet.
Stevie I see you in the comments of "Secular Talk"
So Google is raping Stockfish without his consent ?
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God I'm so proud of myself for finding that Bishop h3. That shit made my day.
Really nice series! I was wondering if anyone knows why they use an opening book though?
you know you are one of my favorite channels right?
Can you flip the board if you want to annotate black pieces?
One thing that saddens me is Chess no longer remains a sport were in TOP grandmasters are busy creating beautiful approaches to various lines but rather a sport where which grandmaster can play the most number of best recommended engine moves regularly and repeatedly?
When the end game “starts” why not Knight to B6 and then bishop to C8 to attack the base of the pawn chain? The rook would be attacking the bishop but the knight would be defending it from B6. I’m sure there’s something I’m missing I just want to know what
@14:31 seems Stockfish could play Nb6 followed by Bc8 to pick up AlphaZero’s pawns
I think it was way more than 13 moves what DeepMind calculated, probably from the time it played Ng5, it knew that one of the end game would be R vs NnB
I have some ideas as to how to defeat AlphaZero. How can I get a copy to try? I think I've identified a weakness by watching how it plays.
I hope we can see some compositions on this channel. I love a good chess problem.
Edward Winter, didn't he compose 'Frankenstein' in the 1970s?
You need more Bronstein! That guy was a hair's breadth from the WCC! If you covered matches that might be cool. But you're doing great. Love your channel.
Can you show a game where Stockfish wins?
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I would be curious how many times the engines would do different moves than the openings they had to play from. Like, at move one we know they would probably choose something else, but how about at move two, move three, etc. In other words, how bad are us mere humans (but also how much there is to learn at every stage of a game).
Hello, i am chess beginner and i was wondering if someone can recommend THE book to learn about chess openings, and a book that teaches about basic concepts...
Now I’m starting to feel bad about Stockfish, please show a game where alpha lost
#suggestion Can you clarify where the book moves end and the engine moves begin?
If you ever wondered what it would be like to play against God...well, now you know.
You enjoy your Friday too bro. Thanks for sharing.
Isn't there any way to program a language into these engines so they can tell us what they're thinking with each move?
Someone already did it, its called ChessCoach, but its pretty basic.
If only I could predict where I'd be 13 days ahead based on the move I make today.
A tiny suggestion: Could you please say when the engines are out of the book they are set up with? For people unfamiliar with the openings, this helps a lot. (Also, some openings are longer and have more theory than others).
Deja vu... I bought Winter's Capablanca book during a stroll yesterday.
Stage 2 of the Computer Chess Championship started today & Stockfish
is leading. Stockfish won Stage 1
www.chess.com/computer-chess-championship
At 12.46 Why stock fish did not play knight to g4 attacking f3 pawn?
“Completely Winning” merch please
It is both amazing and horrifying how two computer programs are able to assess and formulate plans for those positions that were never played before..
Yaay im realy excited about the capablanca series.
I did not watch the whole video but you said in one game something about that stockfish surrendering ment that stockfish did not move for something like 2 minutes. If a position had occured where alpha would not have moved for 2 minutes would that also meant surrendering?
I was always mesmerized by the beauty in chess but alphazero took it to another level. Just got an alphazero tattoo
I want to see more alpha zero haha. I don't understand it but I like it.
As one of the subscribers who asked for an alpha with black game ... Thanks !!!
these games are from set starting positions,... so what was the move where the engines start?
Please show us a game that stockfish won! We need to know defence our selves from AI
What about pawn f2 check?? 11:20
I can't believe I was able to find the winning move, that too for an AlphaZero game!!
I mean it seem logical to save the Queen by blocking the black rook's path, since the black Queen was creating so much tension against Stockfish, and the only move available was Bh3!!
I mean, I obviously couldn't predict beyond 2-3 moves, but still.. I PLAYED LIKE ALPHAZERO!!!!!
You made one move you aren’t good
I’m having deja vu from Tal v Botvinnik
what is the term when you position a bishop in front of the castled king?
you say alpha saw 19 moves in the future. this game is on time, isnt it? what would happen if he has double or tripple time? i mean ha alpha the ability to see the perfect game from beginning and the only thing is that time make a wall against him? I looks like the real opponent for alpha is the clock. With black he has much more trouple than with white - i mean his attack end up like this (Rook vs Knight & Bishop). Btw, where do you get the informations about these game, about the 19-moving calculate? Greeting a follower
My god, that was impressive.
12:57 wasnt Bg4 by white winning the pawn on f3??
Please show us from winning side player
Thanks for references
Fabulous analysis...love your videos...thanks,
Alpha finally bought the DEE VEE DEE from Ginger GM (played the leningrad dutch)
@agadmator your throat hurts. Please be sure you’re checking that out properly. It’s been a problem for one or two months now. Wishing you all the best.
At 12:33, after alpha moved his King to G7, why didn't dogfish play Bishop to G4? Seems like alpha would be unable to stop dogfish from capturing the passed pawn on F3. Surely I must be missing something simple, but I'm a novice, so please go easy on me. 😁
More alpha zero please
2:28 Now we're officially out of book.
Good god, from midgame on, that would've been so frustrating being forced into so many moves.
I hope “Let me just return these books here” is the new “sorry about that”
To quote a Stockfish developer:
"The match results by themselves are not particularly meaningful because of the rather strange choice of time controls and Stockfish parameter settings: The games were played at a fixed time of 1 minute/move, which means that Stockfish has no use of its time management heuristics (lot of effort has been put into making Stockfish identify critical points in the game and decide when to spend some extra time on a move; at a fixed time per move, the strength will suffer significantly). The version of Stockfish used is one year old, was playing with far more search threads than has ever received any significant amount of testing, and had way too small hash tables for the number of threads. I believe the percentage of draws would have been much higher in a match with more normal conditions."
Isn't this quote referring to the first match? I'm pretty sure both Alpha and Stockfish got much more time for each move in the new, expanded match that this game is from.
@@DaCarnival Yeah, old quote.
@MTRredux because most people don't really understand AI/ML and are just jumping on the bandwagon to say "oh is using AI it must be the best", when in reality it may not be true.. i guess those who supports stockfish understands this
As you can see by the linked article, your statement of "fixed 1 minute/move" is wrong. It is stated, that both engines had 3 hours per game plus an additional 15s per move in the presented series (where the video is part of).
Furthermore, you can see the impact of opening books and the impact of playing versus the latest available stockfish version. Those arguments are also brought up quite often, and it's interesting how stockfish is only able to win any games at all when using an opening book, cheating for the first ~10 moves. Kind of feels like an engine cheating with an engine :D
www.chess.com/news/view/updated-alphazero-crushes-stockfish-in-new-1-000-game-match
The latest paper released by Deepmind is full of bizarre Stockfish moves. It makes multiple blunders in single games. You can run Stockfish for yourself. Watch GMChesspuzzler videos.
12...Bd7 is novelty...all before exisit in database....
that move 28 implies engine analyses are not accountable all the time.
For 500k subs agad should do a couple more alphazero games
Such complexity. ♥️😍
How can I buy those books agadmator? I don’t have any bookshop nearby who sells chess books.
Hi sir. Is there a match bewtween Alpha0 vs Komodo? I just wanna know...
Because
Komodo
Is my imagination or when A0 use the black pieces always allow white to control more space and it's like Bobby Fischer says, if you wana play for the win with black you need to give some space.
Is pawn to f2+ possible at 11:34?
We want to see MORE ALPHA!!!!
Hey Agad, another great video. Can you do it the chess game in the movie Sherlock Holmes? Please.
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مرتضى الدراجي thanks!!
To compensate for the fact that Stockfish was an old version, AlphaZero learned chess only for 4 hours.
4 hours in the google super computer, is not the same as 4 hours in your laptop, probably alpha has played the more matches of history
i think stockfish 9 will be same skill lvl like A0....so will theese games be even a little higher lvl? nice videos best chess channel by far despite i dont know any ^^ but also most enjoyable channel on YT. nice job