Can You Tell the Difference Between a $500 and a $200,000 Watch?
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- Опубликовано: 8 янв 2022
- You can always find disparity in everything. Take the $9,000 Dacia Sandero and the $2million Bugatti Chiron, for example, a pair of cars that have a price ratio of over two hundred to one. You think that’s a lot? Then take a look at these: the $500 Sugess Tourbillon Master and the $200,000 A. Lange & Söhne 1815 Tourbillon Handwerkskunst, which have a price ratio of double that of the Sandero and Chiron. Two watches that are, on paper, the same. What on Earth is going on? But the real question remains: Can You Tell the Difference Between a $500 and a $200,000 Watch?
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I really wish this ph4660t would speak faster and stop with the force gravitas
Why watch channels almost never say about the accuracy of watches? There must be a reason.Thank you anyway.
I don't know anything about watches except they tell time, but I think the gold watch is prettier. But I don't need a hole in the face showing the gears spinning. I guess if you're a watch nerd, that's impressive to see gears inside other gears in order to make a clockwork small enough fit on a wrist. But I don't care about that, any more than I care about how many franistats my car's engine has. That seems to be a growing trend in watches, from $20 watches on eBay to million dollar watches at fancy jewelry stores. A $20 Timex is good enough for me as long as it keeps accurate time, and I don't care how shiny and polished the gears are, lol. But thanks for the video! I enjoyed it and thought that gold watch was beautiful!
The Sugess is a fine watch for a price that would've been considered impossible even ten years ago. A tasteful design, enamel dial and tourbillion for $500? Not bad at all. It will never be an AL&S and isn't trying to be. I just wish the Chinese manufacturers would go to a little extra effort in keeping the parts clean during assembly. Nothing is more depressing than seeing smudges of grease and dust on what should be a perfect little machine. Some Swiss companies screw that up too, which is unforgivable considering their greater experience and higher prices.
Agreed 👍
@@andrewwilson8273 Yes, the Version of the Watch made by Sea-Gull is absolutely worth the price Difference :)
You can't see all that they show under the microscope anyway. As far as they keep good time who has those alien eyes to see the details.
@@pavel009
No need to see, Its just knowing and thats makes a big difference.
@@pavel009 absolutely. I do have a couple of watches where I can see imperfections with my naked eyes, but in general - no chance. I can't see any significant problems with my eyes on the Sugess.
That said, it can be nice to know that objects we own are perfect and beautifully made even if we can't see the perfection (or the flaws).
the main difference between these 2 watches is that one will be worn regularly and enjoyed by its owner the other will live in a dark safe sitting next to PP AP and VC delights only to be taken out and worn on special occasions
I'm not wearing a 500 buck watch regularly. In my house, it will rest inside a safe. My 50 dollar automatic watch from China will endure sitting on my wrist until I take the costlier one for a special occasion.
@@arafatjahangirhridoy7577 the important thing is that you are happy with you purchase regardless of the cost, i wear my 29 euro plastic fantastic red casio wrm as often as i wear my more expensive watches...price be damned wear what you want👍
@@yermanoh Isn't is "mrw"?
@@arafatjahangirhridoy7577 ya
@@yermanoh Excellent choice 💪
I like these pieces for different reasons.
1. The Sugess is gorgeous. Truly gorgeous, and it is real. It’s a real tourbillion, and it is clear that care was taken to make it something special.
2. The A. Lange & Söhne is equally beautiful, but for different reasons. It was made to be beautiful, and made by hand. Sure, the Chinese model did it cheaper, but like a hand built V12, or a Corvette Z06’s V8, you can see a sense of pride that was taken in the craft of her build. Some individual didn’t just clock in (no pun intended) and get to work, rather they worked to create art. Art that took countless years to perfect and finish.
In short, you buy these two for different reasons: you buy the Sugess to appreciate the tourbillion. You buy the A. Lange & Söhne to appreciate the art of the piece.
fun fact about the sugess - since those tourbillons are so cheap to make, most swiss watch manufacturers actually use those tourbillons because legally only 60% of the value of the watch has to come from swiss craftsmen in order to be considered a swiss watch.
GOOD NEWS, he knows about the Dacia Sandero.
All joking aside, your videos are always made with amazing quality and I love watching them, keep up the amazing work
Great comment
Thank you so much for this!
That's great! Anyway...
Top Gear?
James May will be thrilled
This comparison may seem completely nonsensical at the first glance, but as the narrative of the video gets shaped and the reasons become apparent, it starts to make more and more sense. In the end, it leaves the audience with a joyful feeling of revelation and discovery. Well done Watch Finder.
As always.
My heart will always be with the Lange, but I have to admit - if somebody with some polishing talent got their hands on the Sugess and spent a few days giving the movement a good detail, it’d come up looking _very_ good.
Transform a 500dollar watch into 100k? Guess what? It would look much better than A&S, u can customise it the way your client wants 😉
Thank you for not acting like many other watch youtubers that scoff at china for horology. I would argue it's actually quite impressive given that it only established itself about 70 years ago, compared to the multi centuries industry in Switzerland.
Both watches are absolute marvels for different reason, but anyone would be happy and proud with either
It's actually not really that impressive. It would be one thing if these parts were hand made but these are all machined made. If you can afford the right machine all you have to do is go to a country with cheap to lower the costs.
China was/is the hub for knock offs. A forger will always have that stain.
What's even funnier is how the Swiss watchmakers tried to copy or "homage" American pocket watches back in the day. Just like how nowadays Chinese watchmakers are doing with the Swiss and wristwatches.
In fairness, China bought a whole manufacture, movements, case stamps, dies, etc. Minerva, if memory serves. It’s not as if they had to invent it from scratch, they just had to copy faithfully.
@@JJ-zr6fu It's impressive indeed when watch experts like Watch Finder himself says so. How are you to say otherwise, you keyboard troll? If it's that easy, then aren't yourself giving the watch companies a run for their money? And if you know anything about horology, you would have known that the Swiss copied French watchmaking which copied British watchmaking, so are the Swiss also forgers in your eyes? Why is it so hard not to be a racist and a hater?
@@JJ-zr6fu Keep on dreaming if you think that swiss or german watch parts are "hand made". It's all just marketing BS you pay for.
For 200k. Those screws not being perfectly aligned with each other would drive me insane
Agreed....I would find it exceptionally distracting.
The only watch I’ve ever seen with aligned screws is on the Royal Oak’s bezel, and those screws can’t turn (they’re seated in hexagonal holes). A lot easier to align non-functional screws.
@@davidliu323 ...you mean the screws that have no purpose?
I'm SHOCKED I had to scroll down so far to see this reaction! 😮
For 200 the screws need to be gold and it should have a kentic solar charge with Bluetooth flash light lighter compass lol
I recently bought a Sugess watch. It was the starry sky, reference MG 177. It's got a Seagull ST2528 movement. And my watchmaker talked rubish about it just because it was Chinese. Sadly, my unit came with dried up oil, most likely because it was sitting there for quite some time. But man... Not all Chinese movements are created the same. And he swallowed his words when he opened it, observed at it up close and personal and saw the perlage decoration all over the movement. That's what it took him to chill and agree to service it. But he compared my watch to other $20 scrap movements he had laying around. I wonder what he'd say about that beautiful tourbillion. It even has an enamel dial!
What is it with watchmakers? Most of them do no watchmaking. They do service and repair work out of a spare room in their modest houses and have the heir of a Patek CEO.
This faux snobbery is comedic.
@@jamesrobert4106 it’s pretty sad to be honest. My wife brought home a little travel alarm clock that belonged to her grandfather and I can’t even get a watchmaker to look at it. It’s not a fine time piece but it’s no different to a Jacob & co to her
You know, it has been a while since I watch your videos. I never miss one. Thank you so much for time and effort and please keep going!
I got lost in this video :) I know how long these usually are but when it was over I had no idea how long I'd just been entranced for, such consistently good work mate. The content in these videos is so much more than just watches and I am thankful you are still doing your thing!
Clear demo of the law of diminishing returns...far more impressed with the Sugess , yes the ALS is exquisite but so it should be!
Excellent video, thank you 👍🏻👍🏻
Well put. I've always been quite fascinated by the law of diminishing marginal returns. I'm an accountant, so often having to explain why massive businesses have such small profit margins and I always rely on this good old law.
Diminishing marginal returns or not, that ALS has to be one of the most beautiful watches I've ever seen. I've still got the Watchfinder original video of it saved in favourites!
@@chriss2122 yes, absolutely the ALS is incredible. Highly recommend you check out Roger Smith's channel that's the next step up from ALS imho. Thanks for your comment 👍🏻
@@stevefox8605 thanks. I know he's a very well respected watchmaker, but I never knew he had a channel. I can't find it - are you able to share a link to a video from his channel, so I can subscribe from there? Cheers
@@chriss2122 ruclips.net/video/cAbJLCfVKJc/видео.html
There you go, enjoy it mate 👍🏻
@@stevefox8605 brilliant. Thanks mate!
Superb. The video, the narration, the message and the two main characters.
Thanks for such video .. very detailed and inspiring ❤
I always felt quality and price for luxury items has log relationship. To increase quality by 1, price increase 10 fold.
To increase quality by 1 what?
+1x means 2x
not only luxury items haha
love all the content, coming from a newb it has secured my interest in the industry. keep up the great work.
Simply brilliant commentary. Bravo!
Outstanding Video. A video made with the care that both of these amazing watches deserve in their own way,
A brilliant video Talking Hands. Other than a certain Douglas Adams (R.I.P) I have no idea how you manage to think up parts of the dialog in describing some mechanical masterpieces. Phrases like "polished with a brick", and "soiled his sheets" both nearly wrote off my keyboard while attempting to have a drink. Limiting the number of ALS to 30 probably make sense as the time it takes to do all that work by hand may take a master watch maker from school leaving age to retirement. Keep up the great work!
He has done a separate video on this AL&S (and many more like the Triple Split, Terraluna, Zeitwerk, etc) already in case you are new to this channel
Phenomenal as always. You share your knowledge with such enthusiasm.
Probably the best written script of the entire chanel! The Alange is probably one of the best if not the best watch on the planet.
Best video in months in my opinion, good work.
Superb. One of my favourite of your videos now!
I wish a micro brand like Baltic or Lorier made a piece with the Seagull tourbillon movement with a beautiful dial and case.
I was just thinking about this exact watch yesterday night. Thanks for your insight on the reliability of the movement 🙂🐾
You’re really funny man haha! The craftsmanship that’s gone into that A. Lange & Söhne is mind blowing. Love the channel mate.
I've been following the channel for a while and I've always been curious. What is the name of the song that plays in all your videos? It's beautiful.
The most impressive thing about about the watches is not the watches but the micro videography!
Bit disappointed that you didn't compare it to the luxurious hand engraved Thomas Earnshaw tourbillon from the shopping channel🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
HERITAGE
One of my watch acquaintances did a service on the sugess and came to the conclusion that is was a very capable movement. Even a very durable one at thatz
I have hardly seen any reviews on Union Glashutte. I have heard their story and it seems like an interesting one along with a very good value proposition. I hope you consider doing a deep dive into their watches soon. Thanks!
Beautiful Video ! The art of presenting watches is an art in itself ! :)
Law of diminishing returns well illustrated. Brilliant thankyou.
Great narration… watches are a masterpiece and a miracle.
Your love of such art you present is so out of the screen BIG like from Egypt
For many years, I bought watches. My love started almost 70 years ago. To start with, the fact the case is rose gold (and far to reddish), should just add the gold price. Take the caliber out, and try to sell it, you will get the day gold price (probably 300 Euro). But let's stick to facts. First, prices are completely idiotic. This started somewhere in the eighties. Antique watches became collectors items. While some years before, I walked in to a shop, and bought a Calatrava brand Patek, for 1500 Dutch guilders. Some 700 Euro's now. No one wanted the old winding thing, everyone wanted a quarts. Fl. 1500, was less than a month salary to me. Buying a Calatrava today, try to buy it on a years salary!
Plain-spoken and frugal, as a good Dutchman should be.
Thank You for this comparison! I'd just like to add that the Sugess even has a flying tourbillon, which, according to what I have read so far, seems to be the more delicate construction. I have owned a similar watch and its tourbillon stopped working after I had worn it on my left hand while playing the harp in a concert. The sudden movements of octave jumps and such probably bent its axis slightly out of shape. I wonder if that would have happened to the Lange. ;-)
The Richard Mille Tourbillon can withstand playing championship level tennis without falling apart. Nadal wears his watch on to the court and the watch has no problems. That's quality!
@@almac9203 Nadal broke several RM playing tennis
@@BigfishDaniel That's in line with my watchmaker friend telling me that the first Speedmaster on the moon promptly stopped running.
@@JochenVogel i didnt hear anything about the first speedmaster stop running but a later one did have its crystal pop off.
If Sugess puts like x2 the effort making this watch with more care, and charge 1000 for it, this would be incredible!!
good luck for them finding gold or diamond for extra 500
@@teecchnoboy what more do u expect? it is already a tourbillon, but people are complaining about the finish not being good. now hypothetically sugess polishes it nicely for $1000, and now u expect it to have gold and diamond?! go buy ur self a swiss then. people like you are too good for sugess.
the point of sugess is to allow common folks to enjoy something that is normally high-end and not-so easily obtainable. if you expect that much then you are missing the point. and should just buy swiss/german that can meet those expectations. even for chinese produce, there is a limit on how cheap they can make something.
@@teecchnoboy they have one with african diamonds for 700, so...
Great video, and great perspective. It's not often a company can focus on the art without cost being a factor. The Lange is truly a work of art.
Just might purchase that Sugess. They did a fine job and deserve some respect for it. The ALS is in a class all by itself and out of reach for most people, so the Sugess is a perfect fit for the general masses. Also, I am really impressed with the hacking function of the ALS. That is ingenious.
Great job and thank you 🙏
I’ve known for a long time that I need a Tourbillion in my life. Have seen the Seagull many years ago but not found one for sale. This could well be the next watch purchase for me. Thank you!
Just wished the Sugess lined up those blue screws. But man it holds up very well to your camera for the price. And props for not being dismissive of Chinese watches that aren't counterfeits.
Oooh😲.
A Sugess.
On Watchfinder.
I like AL&S.
I also like what Sugess produce.
Ooooh.
Thanks.
I'm keen to check out the Nivada Grenchen watches, sadly they're online only - can't find a retailer that has them in a showroom. That particular Lange is a thing of beauty, I was lucky enough to see one in person and my gosh - that dial is just something else.
If you make a book with your reviews, I and I suspect many others would buy it :) wonderful, descriptive, entertaining, novel prose,
Always love your dynamic commentary👍 can only dream of owning the beautiful German time piece, but then again, what is life without some dreams!🤠👍
Wow that Sugess got it right. A tourbillon should be the centerpiece of your watch but pretty much every watch company can't help themselves but to make their tourbillon dials as busy as possible. Even HMC's tourbillon watches are the least restrained ones in their lineup.
Yep, pretty much. But ate Sugesses reliable 🤔
Really like the videos that show the strong points of expensive watches but also the affordable ones
A great video. Thank you.
Can someone please tell me the name of the font used in the A&S for the numbers?
I LOVE that font so much because we had a wall clock with the same font when I grew up, and it's kinda drilled in my memory....
Great content!
Would love to see you do a video on Louis Moniet watches
4:42. which part of sugess is polish with a brick?? be specific. Thanks
What a stunning watch! The Lange&sohne!!
Where can I get the sugess watch?
Thanks, great video.
Does the seagull movement hack?
Beautifully told
Sugess has some really nice watches out and I am going to get a few because they are such amazing value. Even on sale when I looked so a watch like in the video is under $300us. Still I like my high end watches and that A. Lange & Söhne is beyond beautiful and beyond a work of art. It's something if I was lucky to ever own one would see me just sitting for hours watching it and enjoying the amazing level of craftsmanship.
seeing that second hand snap to zero, sharp as a salute... ooh i got the tingles
Please do a video on some of Breguets tourbillons! They have some amazing watches!
Superb comparison.
They are both impressive in their own way. Very nice comparison.
I have a few watches with Sea-Gull movements..they seem to be cleaner and better finished in my Sea-Gull branded ones?
That A.LANGE & SOHNE is one of the most beautiful watches I've ever seen.
Two very different "worlds" defined! Thank you.
Chinese are known for their love for quality. Make no mistake about that. I have a very similar, if not exact the same watch like the Sugess (without the Tourbillion) and it's a very nice watch, well made, reliable HW-er.
Why does the jewel in the "set to zero" hacking in the tourbillion look chipped and the swing hand looks roughed up?
Wow! Both are wonderful watches in their own categories.
@9:18 the teeth on those gears seem to have a little blow out from the cutting process? Maybe cut slower and cut less material?
Could you do some review of "kari voutilainen" -Finnish watcmaker watches. 😇🤟 would be nice to see "a lange versus voutilainen" :P
Nice review Andrew, Sugress is just in my price range.
Which one tells the actual time better? Whats the second gain/lost daily on each?
A fantastic video today. I feel we should all celebrate a shared hobby which sees both these watches existing. The Sugess is a remarkable watch for the money while the AL&S is just remarkable in every way. While most of us can only ever afford the former, I am grateful that there are those to can fund and support the latter allowing all of us to see the artistry of high-end watch making. £200k is a lot of money, but in a world where people have no issue with blowing millions on a piece of fabric with paint on it, there is some degree mitigation.
2:21 Notice that the direction of the brush marks on the Ones differs by the respective position of the indices.
Exceptional presentation and comparison of what could seem like to diametrically opposed watches. Let’s give my man here a thumbs up. How many people want to see him succeed in 2022?
Love u for not being a snob rather a true admirer of watches regardless of their make or model
How is the dial rhodium played if no electricity is used in its manufacturing?
Great comparison, both are a work of art, even though one is a DaVinci and the other an affordable yet admirable print.
Only one is art, the other CNC disposable wear
I like that
The voice of the commentator is equally enchanting as the video and captivate.
I think its about damned time that people in the wristwatch community tipped their hats to the fact that you can purchase a high quality tourbillon for less than 1,000$. That alone makes the sugess and other similar models from china as much of a trailblazer/innovation as the A.L.&S. they're two complete polar opposites, one is an achievement in unbridled craftsmanship and art at no thought of cost, and the other is an engineering marvel and unbridled artistic expression while constrained to a very tight budget and strapped to mass-manufacturing production protocols. The fact that the sugess looks as good as it does is brain-bending. Its a gorgeous watch. Its absolutely gorgeous. And I'm sure its "more hand made" than most of the chinese offerings due to the level of complexity, but remember, this thing was designed to be punched out in a factory, and is still managing to be a pleasing peace of artwork and reliable engineering. To me this is just as breathtaking and noteworthy of an undertaking as the handcrafted tourbillons. The sugess represents the impossible. Because until the chinese figured out how to mass produce such a complex watch, it simply "could not be done". So if I buy a 500$ tourbillon and the works are less than spotless, that's OK. it was built in a factory that probably also stamps out 500 thousand 10 dollar quartz watches a day. THAT ALONE IS AMAZING TO ME. Plus, for 500 dollars, you could purchase one of these and take it STRAIGHT to a fine watchmaker and have them disassemble, clean, re-assemble, and calibrate it for you and you'd still be under 1,000$ and it would then absolutely spotless and pristene at that point. with my current budget I could only afford the sugess. But if money was no object I'd have both. The sugess for regular wear, and I'd put on the handmade one for nights on the town or date night or parties or get togethers. Why? Because even if I could afford the lange, the sugess is as much of a work of art in a completely different way from a completely different direction, and I just can't help but appreciate it. Its a modern marvel to say the least.
@@BobbyDazzler888 Nothing "disposable" about the Sugess either.
He said "Louie Breguet would have soiled his "sheets
Iam weak 😂
Watchfinder best channel bar none 🙌🏾
Amazing video
Recently Brought the oupinke tourbillon and was quite impressed with the quality
“The dial tells the time as it should. It wouldn’t be much of a dial if it didn’t.”
*H. Moser has entered the chat*
I suppose that a routine servicing of the A.L&S would be much more that the price of a new Surgess.
Its probably more than the price of a low end Omega.
The cinematography here is just insane.
I just wish the grooves of the two screws inside the dial of the AL&S would align perfectly.
an amazing review
Love that Asahi Pentax K1000 in your video!
LOVE THESE BUDGET WATCH VIDEOS.. WE CAN ACTUALLY AFFORD THEM
You can't put a price on aesthetic perfection. It shouldn't be difficult, but it's the absurdly expensive watches that send that perception of "rightness" flowing through my mind. Obviously there is a law of diminishing returns. If you want that "right" feeling and can afford the Lange, go for it.
Breathtakingly amazing. Both of them.
The A Lange & Sohne is in my personal view the ultimate in watchmaking perfection. I don't particularly like the model shown, but the quality of manufacturing is beyond belief!
I can tell very easily. One of them will cause my credit card to be rejected
I don't like how in the al&s the screws holding the tourbillon aren't straight
would be epic if you could get your hands on a top shelf credor...the magnified shots would be epic...
*You need to make a video about the flying tourbillon from jacob&co*
That AL&S dial though. Ridiculously pretty !!
Has no body mentioned the screws on the dial of the ALS? I would be expecting, at that price me finish, for the screws to line up the same way. Ocd much?