You are the very first watch channel,,after 5 years of watching,watch channels to hear Arnold's name in connection to the invention of the tourbillon, .thanks.
Very good job and a very knowledgable explanation of this movement. I’m also watchmaker, so I appreciate the skills needed to disassemble them reassemble this movement.
@@LIONTAMER3DI'm pretty sure that almost, if not all, jeweled movements require lubrication. After all, it's a metal part rubbing against a gemstone. There have been some advancements to use less liquid lubricants by using non-metal parts such as silicone or using dry lubricant such as graphite, but any traditional jeweled movements, including Swiss, do require lubrication maintenance. It's just that the reputable brands lubricate the movements properly, so they last longer before they require servicing. You can google it to verify it yourself, or watch any of "Wristwatch Revival" youtube videos where he works on numerous Swiss movements--all requiring jewel lubrication. Actually, I recommend that channel to anyone who appreciates mechanical watches!
Second time through this video. This channel and wristwatch revival are two folks I can listen to 24/7. As an absolute amateur the information is phenomenal. Thank you captain!! P.S. the child's queries make a man well up. Swell
It isn't though. Did you not even notice the stripped screw? the lack of polish on all the works? Hell, the flywheel looked like it was just pressed out of steel and left unfinished. it is the OPPOSITE of quality. *sigh*
@@thomasneal9291 - That's a very opinionated opinion. This is an affordable watch for those who are interested and don't have a Ronaldo or Prince of Persia account. We don't need to shell out millions for the details you mention. What do you not understand?
The most interesting exposure of a tourbillon mechanism I have seen.Very well explained and shown and a pleasure to watch the process with the calm conversation accompanying it.
Very interesting Stian and, as you predicted, it's the first tourbillon I've seen being taken apart on RUclips. Your videos are always excellent and you're in my top three RUclips horologists (not saying where in the top three but, suffice to say, the other two need to up their games 😉). Keep up the great work and many thanks for all your insightful commentary.
Thank you for the time and effort required to produce this exceptionally entertaining and instructive video. Your humor was also appreciated and added a thoughtful dimension. Well done!
it is simple nowaday, watch companies just scare people with its complexity to skyrocket the price, Swiss watches are super overpriced. We can produce nanometer chip today, nothing in the mechanical watch cannot be perfectly done with machines, "hand finish" is another magic world to 100x the cost ;) Watches that cost as much as a house? that seems about right :))))
First time seeing you, Subscribed within 2 minutes now going to watch your other older posts & future postings Thank you for the educational aspects of this video 👍🍻
@ watched a few already 👍 Gruen Curvex I have a few so happy that you like the watch as I just love vintage watches Ps may not always leave a comment but always a 👍will be there
As a dentist who wanted to become a watchmaker as a little boy, thank you for this wonderful video! My level is possibly to clean some Russian or Chinese mechanical mechanism. Your level is art, thanks again!
I’ve never seen a Tourbillon disassembled and reassembled before. That seems like a very good price for what seems like a pretty good watch. I’d be interested in seeing how a double barrel works in terms of adding to the watch’s power reserve.
Excelente video, quedé hipnotizado al ver la destreza. Me impacta la creatividad y genialidad de las personas que han creado mecanismos tan diminutos y complejos. Gracias por compartir tus conocimientos
That 'gap' that you can't unsee is very appealing to me. It makes a watch of that complexity -- the tourbillon -- look much more spartan, thus amazing. Since it's mostly for eye appeal anyway, like jewellery, it doesn't detract. Also, for around $800, what's not to like. Good video.
I have this very same watch. I love the fact that you can get a tourbillon for less than a grand - and it looks good too! Yes, under magnifying glass, the finish isn't great but how many people carry a magnifying glass with them to inspect other people's watches? LOL. I wanted a turbillon and a skeleton watch in my collection and this fit the bill perfectly. Just goes to show that it doesn't have to cost a lot to be a nice watch. For the quality and price, I think it's a steel. Right next to my Omegas and Rolex's.
That's awesome Indeed I heard that tourbillon movement in this watch makes lot of sound is it true? Especially when in silence say in the night plz do reply
I have one of these watches and just love it. It is based on the Brand Angelus which sell for 25k. Not bad to get one of these for less than the tax on the Swiss version.
I remember my first Chinese tourbillon watch it was a Stuhrling Original bought it many years ago. I feel in love with design as well of owing a tourbillon. It still looks amazing & runs great to this day.
@@jean-claudemorin7377 OMG yes that's where I got mine from 😅mines the Imperial tourbillon 2nd edition Black & Gray limited to 125. I hardly wear it just enjoy the beauty of it.
I really enjoy your channel and the art of watchmaking. I am with you about the size of the watch as I only own a couple of vintage pieces because the size is right for me. Keep up the good work and look forward to future videos.
This is so absorbing, even though I am not a big fan of Chinese watches. Stian, you make complicated mechanism look so easy to disassemble and assemble it again. You are my Guru without a shade of doubt. Please keep us enthralled with more such videos. God bless.
That noise when dropping the parts into the ultrasonic cleaning solution never gets old. I reminds me of the old movies when people were "buttoning up" submarines. Great sound.
What an enjoyable video! I’d consider buying one of these if the manufacturer had spent as much care assembling it as you did. It seems daft to buy a watch approaching £1000 which needs another £300 spent on a lubrication service. A great concept though - as a reasonably priced Tourbillon.
I would love to be able to work on watches like this. You have amazing talent. This is something many people do not realise, the engineering of a machanical watch. They are a micro work of art. Even when I look at a simple Japanese movement, I'm blown away. Tiny works of art!
The watch looks beautiful and accessible thanks to Agelocer it might not be the best movement or craftsmanship but its a step in our direction, I disagree I think watches are very relevant for day to day, billions of people own watches, thanks for great video and review.
Looking at the number of parts @ 11:35 makes me feel uneasy about one being able to put all of them back together without an irreversible mistake, but you--MASTER--are obviously not afraid of doing that and make it work so relatively easily. Kudos to you, sir!
Hello Stian ! Interesting watch to work on, I’m not a fan of tourbillon and skeleton design, but seeing service of this one was interesting, particularly with this rotating tourbillon assembly ! Very nice and interesting video ! Thanks for sharing !
"Agelocer" is from the ancient Chinglish, which is actually pronounced "age-locker"... which means to lock away the ages, so to speak, to get those ages "under your belt" as it were...which is just a slightly different use from the traditional English...which would probably instead say something like "lasting the ages" or "Agelaster" which is closer to the intent: seemingly to say "this product is quality and long lasting".
Your skill is inspiring and I admire your videos and the watch industry knowledge you provide. So inspired, in fact, that I decided to repair my own Chinese watch, a Guanjin automatic with a day-date complication. I bought it because it was inexpensive and very attractive. Something was wrong with the keyless works and the day-date mechanism. Everything else worked and it kept good time. How hard could it be? After I opened the watch, I discovered dozens of paper-thin stamped parts and a mechanism for the day-date and the winding mechanism unlike any I ever have seen. I still hold hope that I will be able to fix it. Professional service would cost more than the price of the watch, so I probably will discard it if I can't fix it myself.
Incredible work... Having watched this video I immediately order me the watch. I am not a fan of watches and have only worn smart watches up until now, but the mechanical work inside the tourbillon watch is just mesmerizing. I hope my watch arrives in good condition though.
@@SaHaRaSquad no, some watches keep time much more accurately than others & those with precision timekeeping capability (chronograph/chronometer) sell more units than the rest. This watch is bad at being a watch. It's a trinket, accordingly.
@@LIONTAMER3D So I just looked and the chronometer certification requires a maximum deviation of 6 seconds per day, which is nice but still not even close to a cheap $5 quartz watch. My point still stands, automatic watches aren't bought for accuracy, we're not in the 18th century anymore. I do appreciate those things for the craftsmanship, design etc, but "precision timekeeping capability" is a rather subjective term, just like "trinket". "those with precision timekeeping capability (chronograph/chronometer) sell more units than the rest." Citation needed
@SaHaRaSquad accuracy for Swiss watches, apples to apples mate. They all lose to quartz lol. There's a reason why officially certified chronometers/chronographs cost more & I'm not in a position to explain it to you. Also, 6 is the max allowable deviation; Longines Ultrachron is at 3, most Rolex/Zodiac watches 4, and 5 for just about everything else. However, when you have self-correcting mechanisms (think tourbillons) you get extreme accuracy & guess what else? Go on...
Parabéns pelo excelente serviço e a postagem do vídeo. Seu vídeo é raro e especial e nos deu uma boa visão desses movimentos chineses como uma alternativa interessante em adquirir um relógio tourbillon.
I guess one issue I have with this is that in order to get it to work well, you have to spend probably the same money you spend buying the watch to get it serviced immediately.
I have 2 Android (Now Aragon Watches) Virtuosos with the Seagull TY-802 Tourbillon Movement. That movement has been a very reliable workhorse for many years and I have had no issues. They run as good as the day I got them. I inherited my Dad's Watch Collection.
Chinese are playing the monopoly game, they are trying to keep the know-how for themselves, they're trying to put out others manufacturers of business with their cheap products.
Many people are always quick to dismiss Chinese products without even actually looking into the said product (which is basically racism if the dismissal is prejudiced and baseless), just because said products are made in China (again, racism). Rarely is a tourbillon disassembled, and seen in this video is the precision and engineering involved in the design and manufacture of an in-house tourbillon movement you can purchase for $800. You have to be an absolute tool to not appreciate the sincerity and efforts of the watchmaker behind this - design, manufacture, etc., AND selling it at a price that's LOWER than a Rolex oyster BRACELET. Kudos to the makers of these watches.
It’s not racism or xenophobia. If that was the case, the West would view Japan products the same as Chinese. But we don’t because everyone knows Japan produces superior products. It’s about culture.
@@adadadatt The fake bluing process is limited by cost, and a few minutes of glow in the dark may be for your own benefit, as a pointer that emits light all night requires a certain amount of radioactive elements to meet your requirements.
I have to say I actually quite like this watch. I'd never buy one but compared to that gaudy award winning cheesy design map of the globe watch with gold leaf dial (and about as much tact as a pimp driving a pink Stutz with a shagpile headlining) it's a winner.
Definitely not for me, but I'm sure someone will love it. A dial exposing the tourbillon only would help in legibility and , dare I say, make it a little classier. You would think that if they can mass produce a functional tourbillon that they would be able to properly lubricate it. Great review.
Yep, that dial (or the lack of it) doesn't really lead the eyes enough to the tourbillon, I'd say. And the lubrication seems to be a common issue with Chinese watches...
@@VintageWatchServices I suspect the lack of lubrication is due to the incredibly low servicing costs of watches in China, somewhere between 5-10% of the price in Europe (of course, during the servicing they also use inferior grade oils from Seagull, not Mobius, so...)
I definitely use my automatic wrist watch for time keeping. I also like to set my bezel on the hour I leave for work, usually at 4 am. It reminds me around 2pm I need to stop working after a 10 hour day
@@jean-claudemorin7377 2 Chinese watches that haven't needed maintenance in 14 years? I solved the riddle: you haven't run them, much less worn them in 14 years!
Honestly, quite a nice watch. A demonstration of the power that modern CAD (Computer Aided Design) and mass-manufacturing has in store for all of us. Anything that takes a feature as rarified as a tourbillon and democratizes it can only be a good thing to my eye.
@@LawrenceMacMacster Yeah, that’s always been Chinese brand’s main weakness. We can’t exactly fault an entirely different culture for not quite getting English, but they still need to make more of an effort.
Nice to watch, as usual. I have been the proud owner of two Chinese flying tourbillons and I managed to break both of them in no time by wearing them while playing the harp. The fast movements of the bass-hand seem to have bent the tourbillon-pinions ever so slightly out of shape, so that the watches stopped running, when the tourbillon-cages reached a certain position. My attempts at fixing the problem resulted in even breaking the pinion of the first watch. I gave the second one to my watchmaker-friend Bertram as a payment for a repair and he managed to fix it for himself. But I told him never to wear it, when he plays the harp, which he occasionally does, too. And as tempting as tourbillon-watches are, I will never buy a flying tourbillon again. If I find an affordable one with a bearing on each side of the cage, I might give it one more chance, though...
Maybe you should try the piano, less stress on the movement but more stress playing the right keys. I've own a vintage Omega automatic and it has never gone wrong in 23 years while I'm playing in concerts.
I really appreciate your video. Thank you very much for your effort. Hope to come usually to watch some more videos. Excuse me if I make some mistakes because English is not my mother language. Nice to found your channel. Greetings from Catalonia!!!
Thank you Stian. An affordable tourbillon? Amazing how much better you can get this “new” watch to run not long after leaving the factory. And the screw that was stripped? Would it even tighten? Thanks again!
I agree with paullewis5045, amazing how properly lubricating the watch effects it's performance. I think it is a beautiful watch with it's flaws that you pointed out Stian, but as always I have a few questions about the whirlwind. What is the point of having 2 main springs? Is 1 for the tourbillon? And although it was fresh out of the box, do you clean the watch pieces every time you take one apart? Great history lesson about the watch Stian and the views of you wearing the watch outside were quite beautiful. If it is your house, the views from your deck was fantastic. I'm toasting this great video with a traditional Irish red ale made by the Boulevard Brewing Co. out of Kansas City, Mo. I picked it up while visiting my older brother last week in KC. Cheers from this old retired coot living the dream in Tennessee.
Thanks Robert, and yes, I live in a great place! It sounds like you're enjoying life also :) The two mainsprings is only for power reserve, they both work in tandem. When you wind the watch, you wind both barrels and when it runs, both barrels run. And if you start taking a watch apart there's really no option but to take everything apart, clean it and oil it. Otherwise you wouldn't be sure some dirt or dust hasn't crept in.
Super interesting video Stian! Thanks for making it! Curious how many hours it ran before you put it on the timegrapher and if the watch will run better after it's broken in. It seems to me that if the finishing on the pivots is slightly below Swiss standards, as might be expected (not that I know that), then running it for a few weeks may actually help it. Again, not that I have any idea about the finish quality or materials differences, just guessing really... And also curious.
Thanks, Dayton! The watch didn't run that many hours with me before I put it on the timegrapher and I wouldn't know what testing procedures they have in the factory before selling them. The pivots are quite comparable in standard to Swiss watches, I'd say, as they are likely made with much the same machinery and chemical polishing. The finishing of the movement parts was however completely absent for the escapement, which is kind of understandable given that no one will see it but still not something that would be allowed by a Swiss brand.
I've been fairly impressed with these Chinese companies' abilities to produce mass market tourbillon movements for a price that real people with real jobs can afford, though I suspect that much of the cost saving comes at the expense of the workers who build them. The lubrication issues seem to be endemic to Chinese watch production, but as long as you know that going in, you should be alright. I'm not a fan of skeletonized watches in general as I find the a bit too "Dude-Bro Influencer-ish" for my taste, but if your going to have one, there are worse color choices than this cobalt blue. But yeah, a proper dial with an open heart design might have highlighted the tourbillon to greater effect and avoided that giant void in the framework.
You are wrong. In China, the price of any industrial product or handicraft is very affordable because the supply chain is very complete. In fact, the simulation watches sold on the streets of Shenzhen have higher accuracy and manufacturing technology than the original factory, but mechanical watches do not have much market in China.
Hi Stian, 3rd time i've watched this video think i've watched it once a month, not many tourbillion videos on RUclips, excellent as expected though, the click spring, it's the same as the Chinese unified movement (Tonji) just an observation i found interesting, cheers Stian.
The name "agelocer" likely comes from one of numerous e-commerce brand name generators that are out there on the web. That's why so many brands on Amazon and AliExpress have those weird names that are almost random letters but somehow pronounceable in English
For all the lack of finish and non adjustable weights on the balance wheel it appears to keep good time of +\-1sec per day (this is within chronometer standard). The proof of the pudding however is how well it keeps time when worn on the wrist as this is when the motion compensation by the Tourbillon escapement is supposed to shine.
Its amazing idea of doing like this, its too difficult on make it, and thanks to your talent and showing your skill, perhaps we can learned more, thanks Sir.
Oh man that was great. People screamed for me to service my Chinese Tou rbillon when I reviewed it and saw a film like substance on the bridge plates but I’ve been to nervous to tackle it given I have never worked on this type of movement. Watching you do it gives me some confidence that I might be able to do it although some oiling points I would not be sure of. Hope you get to 50k soon. Took me 6 years but 2023 all I have seen is a total fall in views and subs month by month sadly.
For what it's worth: RUclips keeps shipping me towards the wristwatch revival channel. I got no clue why. It does the same with some other type of videos. I pick a few channels I really like, but no youtube is of the opinion I should really watch this other person.
@@Elkeliini I think it’s just because Marshall’s channel is now so huge that anyone watching any watch repair videos will get suggested his videos. He is very lucky but now his channel is just self perpetuating.
@@VintageWatchServices sure is. We can just look on in wonder! I’d love to turn watch tinkering from a hobby to a living but at 50 now is not the time. I pin the only hope on my channel blowing up but I know it will never happen lol
5:20” it’s just real naked to make it look nice 👀” a wise man’s advise to his young son. Someday when he grows up he will remember this and will fully understand. 😂
As our loyal subscriber, It would be my dream if I get a mechanical or automatic watch from you as a gift.....It's impossible for me to pay the actual price of the watch but I will pay you all that is necessary (so whatever I can afford + transfer charge) for your parcel to Asia....I want the watch that you lubricated with your own skillful hands!..it's absolutely a masterpiece. I adore your patience and expertise...I could buy a watch myself but never could I get some lubed it as you did.. its just so perfect!!! THANK YOU!!!!
1:05 the dad bod walk sold me im watching till the end now 👍
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@@VintageWatchServices loved the kid cameo also man us girl dads always have the little one asking what we doing n well stop to explain EVERYTIME!
You def a nazi when u say dad bod
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You are the very first watch channel,,after 5 years of watching,watch channels to hear Arnold's name in connection to the invention of the tourbillon, .thanks.
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I had my hand over my mouth during that portion. My knees were hurting.
Drying with compressed air right next to all those tiny screws and washers... you are a brave man indeed.
😁 I know where the air flow goes :)
Ahhh, I just made the same comment, then saw yours.
My humorous well
That freaked me out. I was like hey uh…..tiny things that look like dust specs RIGHT THERE!!!
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You made disassembly and reassembly look so easy. Absolutely amazing to me.
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As John "longitude" Harrison realized centuries ago, you have to make the movement as frictionless as possible. Your reassembly is phenomenal.
An ingenious design, just shows how clever they were back in the early days, you explained its operation beautifully
Very good job and a very knowledgable explanation of this movement. I’m also watchmaker, so I appreciate the skills needed to disassemble them reassemble this movement.
Thanks, JD!
Amazing work. Love the explanation of the design and the intended impact on the timekeeping. Well done Stian!
The impact of proper lubrication on timekeeping was impressive!
As with so many other things in life.
That's what makes Swiss jeweled movements so accurate: they don't require lubricant.
@@LIONTAMER3D I have regulated Chinese watches that keep =/- 1 sec per day.
Swiss watches are nice but overpriced.
@@LIONTAMER3DI'm pretty sure that almost, if not all, jeweled movements require lubrication. After all, it's a metal part rubbing against a gemstone. There have been some advancements to use less liquid lubricants by using non-metal parts such as silicone or using dry lubricant such as graphite, but any traditional jeweled movements, including Swiss, do require lubrication maintenance. It's just that the reputable brands lubricate the movements properly, so they last longer before they require servicing. You can google it to verify it yourself, or watch any of "Wristwatch Revival" youtube videos where he works on numerous Swiss movements--all requiring jewel lubrication. Actually, I recommend that channel to anyone who appreciates mechanical watches!
@@LIONTAMER3D…r/whoosh? Or I guess you never serviced neither a Swiss nor non-Swiss watch before? All watches have lubricants lol
Seeing the ball bearing relieved my quandary about cage rotation in my Seagull tourbillon movement, thanks for your fine work.
Great to hear!
Second time through this video. This channel and wristwatch revival are two folks I can listen to 24/7.
As an absolute amateur the information is phenomenal. Thank you captain!!
P.S. the child's queries make a man well up. Swell
Thanks so much 😊
You help a lot of people who need it, thanks for caring.
Finally, I’ve been looking for a tourbillon assembly video for years
In China? Good luck...
great video especially for the novice(mise),
very informative, nice shooting too,
thanks
This is surprisingly nicely manufactured
It isn't though. Did you not even notice the stripped screw? the lack of polish on all the works? Hell, the flywheel looked like it was just pressed out of steel and left unfinished. it is the OPPOSITE of quality. *sigh*
@thomasneal9291 so you rather pay 1000x the price to celebrities and marketing expenses 😂
@@thomasneal9291All true but very surprised how well the watch worked after service. Better then expected no?
@@thomasneal9291nicely manufactured doesn't necessarily mean nicely polished
@@thomasneal9291 - That's a very opinionated opinion. This is an affordable watch for those who are interested and don't have a Ronaldo or Prince of Persia account. We don't need to shell out millions for the details you mention. What do you not understand?
The most interesting exposure of a tourbillon mechanism I have seen.Very well explained and shown and a pleasure to watch the process with the calm conversation accompanying it.
Thanks for the kind words!
Thanks for the show and tell of the Tourbillon. Said the loom doesn’t last that long in the dark.
What a fascinating and informative video. Thanks for taking the time to make it.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Very interesting Stian and, as you predicted, it's the first tourbillon I've seen being taken apart on RUclips. Your videos are always excellent and you're in my top three RUclips horologists (not saying where in the top three but, suffice to say, the other two need to up their games 😉). Keep up the great work and many thanks for all your insightful commentary.
Thanks so much, Martin 😊
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Thank you for the time and effort required to produce this exceptionally entertaining and instructive video. Your humor was also appreciated and added a thoughtful dimension. Well done!
Thanks so much! Glad you enjoyed it :)
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Grazie Maestro, sono rimasto incantato dalla tua bravura.
What's amazing is that a tourbillon looks fairly simple to manufacture for a company that makes decent mechanical watches already
it is simple nowaday, watch companies just scare people with its complexity to skyrocket the price, Swiss watches are super overpriced. We can produce nanometer chip today, nothing in the mechanical watch cannot be perfectly done with machines, "hand finish" is another magic world to 100x the cost ;) Watches that cost as much as a house? that seems about right :))))
First time seeing you, Subscribed within 2 minutes now going to watch your other older posts & future postings Thank you for the educational aspects of this video 👍🍻
Awesome! Thank you!
@ watched a few already 👍 Gruen Curvex I have a few so happy that you like the watch as I just love vintage watches
Ps may not always leave a comment but always a 👍will be there
As a dentist who wanted to become a watchmaker as a little boy, thank you for this wonderful video! My level is possibly to clean some Russian or Chinese mechanical mechanism. Your level is art, thanks again!
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Incredible skills!! I've subscribed as your meticulous workmanship is hypnotic!
Thanks so much!
Excellent work as always Stian, and the entertaining talk through.
Love this! Perfect video showing the ins and outs of a chinese movement
I’ve never seen a Tourbillon disassembled and reassembled before. That seems like a very good price for what seems like a pretty good watch. I’d be interested in seeing how a double barrel works in terms of adding to the watch’s power reserve.
Thank you very much for this deep dive in the Tourbillon‘s technology. best regards.
Glad you liked it!
Excelente video, quedé hipnotizado al ver la destreza. Me impacta la creatividad y genialidad de las personas que han creado mecanismos tan diminutos y complejos. Gracias por compartir tus conocimientos
That 'gap' that you can't unsee is very appealing to me. It makes a watch of that complexity -- the tourbillon -- look much more spartan, thus amazing. Since it's mostly for eye appeal anyway, like jewellery, it doesn't detract. Also, for around $800, what's not to like. Good video.
I have this very same watch. I love the fact that you can get a tourbillon for less than a grand - and it looks good too! Yes, under magnifying glass, the finish isn't great but how many people carry a magnifying glass with them to inspect other people's watches? LOL. I wanted a turbillon and a skeleton watch in my collection and this fit the bill perfectly. Just goes to show that it doesn't have to cost a lot to be a nice watch. For the quality and price, I think it's a steel. Right next to my Omegas and Rolex's.
That's awesome Indeed I heard that tourbillon movement in this watch makes lot of sound is it true? Especially when in silence say in the night plz do reply
Yes, the ticking is very loud. I can hear it at night while in the bed and the watch is on a shelf in the other corner of the room 😀
Try hoafa skeletal Tourbillon for around 1.2 to 1.5k they have finish close to a hublot atleast.
Steel lol
It looks great, very nice all around.
I have one of these watches and just love it. It is based on the Brand Angelus which sell for 25k. Not bad to get one of these for less than the tax on the Swiss version.
I remember my first Chinese tourbillon watch it was a Stuhrling Original bought it many years ago. I feel in love with design as well of owing a tourbillon. It still looks amazing & runs great to this day.
Still have 2 Stuhling tourbillon bought from the old QVC shopping days. They run perfectly still even after 14 years.
@@jean-claudemorin7377 OMG yes that's where I got mine from 😅mines the Imperial tourbillon 2nd edition Black & Gray limited to 125. I hardly wear it just enjoy the beauty of it.
@@KeyKiller74 😁😁😁 all I changed were the straps and only once in 14 plus years
@@jean-claudemorin7377 Glad to hear :) mine still original with the alligator still on. These watches are build so well they might outlast me. 😅 ⌚🙏
Your kid. So cute when she "interrupted" you. lol Kids are great.
I really enjoy your channel and the art of watchmaking. I am with you about the size of the watch as I only own a couple of vintage pieces because the size is right for me. Keep up the good work and look forward to future videos.
Awesome video and I learned so much! You’re right about that gap, it’s impossible to unsee. 😢
This is amazing. It is getting rarer, to find specialists in this field of work.
This is so amazing I love watches and would love to learn to do this
This is so absorbing, even though I am not a big fan of Chinese watches. Stian, you make complicated mechanism look so easy to disassemble and assemble it again. You are my Guru without a shade of doubt. Please keep us enthralled with more such videos. God bless.
Another great video and I just love how eclectic and fair your choice and judgement of watches is. Thanks Stian
I know you hear this all the time but you are amazing. I always enjoy watching your videos. You have a great sense of humor too. Thank you
That noise when dropping the parts into the ultrasonic cleaning solution never gets old. I reminds me of the old movies when people were "buttoning up" submarines. Great sound.
Truly a master watch smith beautiful presentation with explanations thank you for sharing with th plebs
What an enjoyable video! I’d consider buying one of these if the manufacturer had spent as much care assembling it as you did. It seems daft to buy a watch approaching £1000 which needs another £300 spent on a lubrication service. A great concept though - as a reasonably priced Tourbillon.
I would love to be able to work on watches like this. You have amazing talent. This is something many people do not realise, the engineering of a machanical watch. They are a micro work of art. Even when I look at a simple Japanese movement, I'm blown away. Tiny works of art!
They are! 😁
The watch looks beautiful and accessible thanks to Agelocer it might not be the best movement or craftsmanship but its a step in our direction, I disagree I think watches are very relevant for day to day, billions of people own watches, thanks for great video and review.
The first, fantastic as usual. I enjoyed the video.Thanks very much. Keep well Theon.
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Looking at the number of parts @ 11:35 makes me feel uneasy about one being able to put all of them back together without an irreversible mistake, but you--MASTER--are obviously not afraid of doing that and make it work so relatively easily. Kudos to you, sir!
Incredible video! Thank you so much for posting you made it all so understandable to the layman👍
My pleasure!
Hello Stian ! Interesting watch to work on, I’m not a fan of tourbillon and skeleton design, but seeing service of this one was interesting, particularly with this rotating tourbillon assembly !
Very nice and interesting video !
Thanks for sharing !
"Agelocer" is from the ancient Chinglish, which is actually pronounced "age-locker"... which means to lock away the ages, so to speak, to get those ages "under your belt" as it were...which is just a slightly different use from the traditional English...which would probably instead say something like "lasting the ages" or "Agelaster" which is closer to the intent: seemingly to say "this product is quality and long lasting".
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Your skill is inspiring and I admire your videos and the watch industry knowledge you provide. So inspired, in fact, that I decided to repair my own Chinese watch, a Guanjin automatic with a day-date complication. I bought it because it was inexpensive and very attractive. Something was wrong with the keyless works and the day-date mechanism. Everything else worked and it kept good time. How hard could it be? After I opened the watch, I discovered dozens of paper-thin stamped parts and a mechanism for the day-date and the winding mechanism unlike any I ever have seen. I still hold hope that I will be able to fix it. Professional service would cost more than the price of the watch, so I probably will discard it if I can't fix it myself.
Incredible work... Having watched this video I immediately order me the watch. I am not a fan of watches and have only worn smart watches up until now, but the mechanical work inside the tourbillon watch is just mesmerizing. I hope my watch arrives in good condition though.
Mechanical watches are indeed mesmerizing and the tourbillon even more so 😍
Their high end replica manufacturers need to collab and make something mindblowing.
For what, shiny trinkets? Their watches don't keep time accurately lol
@@LIONTAMER3D Nobody buys automatic watches for accuracy, what's your point?
@@SaHaRaSquad no, some watches keep time much more accurately than others & those with precision timekeeping capability (chronograph/chronometer) sell more units than the rest. This watch is bad at being a watch. It's a trinket, accordingly.
@@LIONTAMER3D So I just looked and the chronometer certification requires a maximum deviation of 6 seconds per day, which is nice but still not even close to a cheap $5 quartz watch. My point still stands, automatic watches aren't bought for accuracy, we're not in the 18th century anymore. I do appreciate those things for the craftsmanship, design etc, but "precision timekeeping capability" is a rather subjective term, just like "trinket".
"those with precision timekeeping capability (chronograph/chronometer) sell more units than the rest."
Citation needed
@SaHaRaSquad accuracy for Swiss watches, apples to apples mate. They all lose to quartz lol. There's a reason why officially certified chronometers/chronographs cost more & I'm not in a position to explain it to you. Also, 6 is the max allowable deviation; Longines Ultrachron is at 3, most Rolex/Zodiac watches 4, and 5 for just about everything else. However, when you have self-correcting mechanisms (think tourbillons) you get extreme accuracy & guess what else? Go on...
Wonderful video. It was fascinating to watch.
Parabéns pelo excelente serviço e a postagem do vídeo. Seu vídeo é raro e especial e nos deu uma boa visão desses movimentos chineses como uma alternativa interessante em adquirir um relógio tourbillon.
Nice video and presentation.
Following page 12:44 it was a courageous operation. Last time did that I have lost most of the screws on my work bench.
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I guess one issue I have with this is that in order to get it to work well, you have to spend probably the same money you spend buying the watch to get it serviced immediately.
I have 2 Android (Now Aragon Watches) Virtuosos with the Seagull TY-802 Tourbillon Movement. That movement has been a very reliable workhorse for many years and I have had no issues. They run as good as the day I got them. I inherited my Dad's Watch Collection.
Nice!
Chinese now make double tourbillon watches for under 1000 and they almost have 3 axes tourbillon watches ready 🙂
Can you elaborate more? Brands/models?
@@danielangelov91haofa, cronusart, tsar bomber.
The good days of ultra rip off swiss watchmaking is coming to an end
Chinese are playing the monopoly game, they are trying to keep the know-how for themselves, they're trying to put out others manufacturers of business with their cheap products.
Absolutely the best! So small, so complicated, keep up the good work. Love your videos.
Many people are always quick to dismiss Chinese products without even actually looking into the said product (which is basically racism if the dismissal is prejudiced and baseless), just because said products are made in China (again, racism). Rarely is a tourbillon disassembled, and seen in this video is the precision and engineering involved in the design and manufacture of an in-house tourbillon movement you can purchase for $800.
You have to be an absolute tool to not appreciate the sincerity and efforts of the watchmaker behind this - design, manufacture, etc., AND selling it at a price that's LOWER than a Rolex oyster BRACELET.
Kudos to the makers of these watches.
Fake screws that don’t come out, fake blueing, lume gone in minutes - maybe decrying racism at every opportunity is over correcting?
Screw racism, cheap is cheap and expensive is expensive.
It’s not racism or xenophobia. If that was the case, the West would view Japan products the same as Chinese. But we don’t because everyone knows Japan produces superior products. It’s about culture.
@@adadadatt The fake bluing process is limited by cost, and a few minutes of glow in the dark may be for your own benefit, as a pointer that emits light all night requires a certain amount of radioactive elements to meet your requirements.
I have to say I actually quite like this watch.
I'd never buy one but compared to that gaudy award winning cheesy design map of the globe watch with gold leaf dial (and about as much tact as a pimp driving a pink Stutz with a shagpile headlining) it's a winner.
Thank you for sharing your work
Definitely not for me, but I'm sure someone will love it. A dial exposing the tourbillon only would help in legibility and , dare I say, make it a little classier. You would think that if they can mass produce a functional tourbillon that they would be able to properly lubricate it. Great review.
Yep, that dial (or the lack of it) doesn't really lead the eyes enough to the tourbillon, I'd say. And the lubrication seems to be a common issue with Chinese watches...
@@VintageWatchServices I suspect the lack of lubrication is due to the incredibly low servicing costs of watches in China, somewhere between 5-10% of the price in Europe (of course, during the servicing they also use inferior grade oils from Seagull, not Mobius, so...)
I definitely use my automatic wrist watch for time keeping. I also like to set my bezel on the hour I leave for work, usually at 4 am. It reminds me around 2pm I need to stop working after a 10 hour day
I've had my Stuhrling Tourbillon for 13 years and it still keeps great time.
Cool, thank you sir Breguet for the tourbillion.
God bless whoever invented the mechanical clock and watch.
I own two Chinese tourbillon and no issues in 14 years. Not one issue.
Wait one week more...
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0% chance you're telling the truth
@@LIONTAMER3D 💯 truth
@@jean-claudemorin7377 2 Chinese watches that haven't needed maintenance in 14 years? I solved the riddle: you haven't run them, much less worn them in 14 years!
Fascinating video. Well done. I have subscribed...
Honestly, quite a nice watch. A demonstration of the power that modern CAD (Computer Aided Design) and mass-manufacturing has in store for all of us. Anything that takes a feature as rarified as a tourbillon and democratizes it can only be a good thing to my eye.
Imagine if they didn't choose "European sounding" random syllables for their naming scheme.
AI might help 😂
@@LawrenceMacMacster Yeah, that’s always been Chinese brand’s main weakness. We can’t exactly fault an entirely different culture for not quite getting English, but they still need to make more of an effort.
@@LawrenceMacMacster a step up from "Cresticle" though.😆
@@67nearmint Was that a real nameplate the Chinese used?
@@jakekaywell5972 yep. Along with Parnis. So a Parnis and two Cresticles will get you a good time in Vegas.
A video I didn’t know I needed to watch. Well done indeed! Made me a subscriber… ❤
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Nice to watch, as usual. I have been the proud owner of two Chinese flying tourbillons and I managed to break both of them in no time by wearing them while playing the harp. The fast movements of the bass-hand seem to have bent the tourbillon-pinions ever so slightly out of shape, so that the watches stopped running, when the tourbillon-cages reached a certain position. My attempts at fixing the problem resulted in even breaking the pinion of the first watch. I gave the second one to my watchmaker-friend Bertram as a payment for a repair and he managed to fix it for himself. But I told him never to wear it, when he plays the harp, which he occasionally does, too.
And as tempting as tourbillon-watches are, I will never buy a flying tourbillon again. If I find an affordable one with a bearing on each side of the cage, I might give it one more chance, though...
Maybe you should try the piano, less stress on the movement but more stress playing the right keys.
I've own a vintage Omega automatic and it has never gone wrong in 23 years while I'm playing in concerts.
@@TheClockwise770 Thanks for the advice, but my other watches survived my playing just fine. Only those two flying tourbillons didn't.
your story sound completely "sus", i believe you work for a swiss watch company
I really appreciate your video. Thank you very much for your effort. Hope to come usually to watch some more videos.
Excuse me if I make some mistakes because English is not my mother language.
Nice to found your channel.
Greetings from Catalonia!!!
No worries, thanks for watching and another video is coming in a week :)
Thank you Stian. An affordable tourbillon? Amazing how much better you can get this “new” watch to run not long after leaving the factory. And the screw that was stripped? Would it even tighten? Thanks again!
That screw did not tighten again, no.
Buying a Chinese watch is a fool's errand
Oh, what a beautiful view of Lac Léman you have! Wonderful.
I agree with paullewis5045, amazing how properly lubricating the watch effects it's performance. I think it is a beautiful watch with it's flaws that you pointed out Stian, but as always I have a few questions about the whirlwind. What is the point of having 2 main springs? Is 1 for the tourbillon? And although it was fresh out of the box, do you clean the watch pieces every time you take one apart? Great history lesson about the watch Stian and the views of you wearing the watch outside were quite beautiful. If it is your house, the views from your deck was fantastic. I'm toasting this great video with a traditional Irish red ale made by the Boulevard Brewing Co. out of Kansas City, Mo. I picked it up while visiting my older brother last week in KC. Cheers from this old retired coot living the dream in Tennessee.
Thanks Robert, and yes, I live in a great place! It sounds like you're enjoying life also :) The two mainsprings is only for power reserve, they both work in tandem. When you wind the watch, you wind both barrels and when it runs, both barrels run. And if you start taking a watch apart there's really no option but to take everything apart, clean it and oil it. Otherwise you wouldn't be sure some dirt or dust hasn't crept in.
@@VintageWatchServices thank you for your response Stian
Fantastic video. Tnks! 👍🏻
Glad you liked it!
$1030 ... I'd rather have a used Breitling. but cool to see. Thanks for bringing us along!
Unlike a used Breitling, this has a tourbillon. That feature alone justifies the $1k cost.
Great job
Thank you always wondered how they work.
Super interesting video Stian! Thanks for making it! Curious how many hours it ran before you put it on the timegrapher and if the watch will run better after it's broken in. It seems to me that if the finishing on the pivots is slightly below Swiss standards, as might be expected (not that I know that), then running it for a few weeks may actually help it. Again, not that I have any idea about the finish quality or materials differences, just guessing really... And also curious.
Thanks, Dayton! The watch didn't run that many hours with me before I put it on the timegrapher and I wouldn't know what testing procedures they have in the factory before selling them. The pivots are quite comparable in standard to Swiss watches, I'd say, as they are likely made with much the same machinery and chemical polishing. The finishing of the movement parts was however completely absent for the escapement, which is kind of understandable given that no one will see it but still not something that would be allowed by a Swiss brand.
Always enjoy your videos!!
Glad to hear it!
I've been fairly impressed with these Chinese companies' abilities to produce mass market tourbillon movements for a price that real people with real jobs can afford, though I suspect that much of the cost saving comes at the expense of the workers who build them. The lubrication issues seem to be endemic to Chinese watch production, but as long as you know that going in, you should be alright.
I'm not a fan of skeletonized watches in general as I find the a bit too "Dude-Bro Influencer-ish" for my taste, but if your going to have one, there are worse color choices than this cobalt blue. But yeah, a proper dial with an open heart design might have highlighted the tourbillon to greater effect and avoided that giant void in the framework.
You are wrong. In China, the price of any industrial product or handicraft is very affordable because the supply chain is very complete. In fact, the simulation watches sold on the streets of Shenzhen have higher accuracy and manufacturing technology than the original factory, but mechanical watches do not have much market in China.
Hi Stian, 3rd time i've watched this video think i've watched it once a month, not many tourbillion videos on RUclips, excellent as expected though, the click spring, it's the same as the Chinese unified movement (Tonji) just an observation i found interesting, cheers Stian.
incredible work ! regardless of today's cost
The name "agelocer" likely comes from one of numerous e-commerce brand name generators that are out there on the web. That's why so many brands on Amazon and AliExpress have those weird names that are almost random letters but somehow pronounceable in English
Sounds about right...
thxs that was cool 2 see
For all the lack of finish and non adjustable weights on the balance wheel it appears to keep good time of +\-1sec per day (this is within chronometer standard). The proof of the pudding however is how well it keeps time when worn on the wrist as this is when the motion compensation by the Tourbillon escapement is supposed to shine.
Its amazing idea of doing like this, its too difficult on make it, and thanks to your talent and showing your skill, perhaps we can learned more, thanks Sir.
Thank you so much 😀
This is very interesting stuff, great video
Glad you enjoyed it!
Stain great to see the big guy out in the wild and beautiful scenery as well. Interesting Watch also. Keep well from New Zealand 🇳🇿
Oh man that was great. People screamed for me to service my Chinese Tou rbillon when I reviewed it and saw a film like substance on the bridge plates but I’ve been to nervous to tackle it given I have never worked on this type of movement.
Watching you do it gives me some confidence that I might be able to do it although some oiling points I would not be sure of.
Hope you get to 50k soon. Took me 6 years but 2023 all I have seen is a total fall in views and subs month by month sadly.
Thanks, Mike! Sorry to hear 2023 isn't your best year but I'm sure it will turn around again :)
For what it's worth: RUclips keeps shipping me towards the wristwatch revival channel. I got no clue why. It does the same with some other type of videos. I pick a few channels I really like, but no youtube is of the opinion I should really watch this other person.
@@Elkeliini I think it’s just because Marshall’s channel is now so huge that anyone watching any watch repair videos will get suggested his videos.
He is very lucky but now his channel is just self perpetuating.
@@MyRetroWatches Yep, that's the algorithm at work.
@@VintageWatchServices sure is. We can just look on in wonder!
I’d love to turn watch tinkering from a hobby to a living but at 50 now is not the time. I pin the only hope on my channel blowing up but I know it will never happen lol
Foarte profesională expunerea.Bravo !!!
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Great video - Thanks.
Most enjoyable video, amazing skills you have. I'm sure you'll be a great success on RUclips etc..thank you for great content.
Thank you so much 😊
5:20” it’s just real naked to make it look nice 👀” a wise man’s advise to his young son. Someday when he grows up he will remember this and will fully understand. 😂
I could watch u work all day.
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As our loyal subscriber, It would be my dream if I get a mechanical or automatic watch from you as a gift.....It's impossible for me to pay the actual price of the watch but I will pay you all that is necessary (so whatever I can afford + transfer charge) for your parcel to Asia....I want the watch that you lubricated with your own skillful hands!..it's absolutely a masterpiece. I adore your patience and expertise...I could buy a watch myself but never could I get some lubed it as you did.. its just so perfect!!! THANK YOU!!!!