Living with Britain’s Most Notorious Serial Killers - Fred & Rose West | Minutes With |
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- Опубликовано: 18 фев 2023
- This week we sat down with Jayne Hamer, who lived with notorious serial killers Fred and Rose West as a teenager. Jayne opens up on the personalities of the couple, discusses her relationships with the West family and their victims, and reveals details of the horrendous crimes committed at 25 Cromwell St.
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With thanks to Jayne for taking part!
Jayne Hamer has been a carer for her son Ashley since he had a devastating stroke nine years ago aged 30. She is a keen supporter of the Stroke Association, a national charity which supports stroke survivors rebuild their lives. Stroke is one of the leading causes of death and disability in the UK, with over 100,000 strokes occurring each year. You can help the charity’s work by donating at www.stroke.org.uk/ladbible or text LADGIFT to 70460 to donate £3
Shame on you for not explaining the importance of calling the police & not telling people how to report suspected abuse. It's very irresponsible to fail to do this.
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@LADbible TV you should pin your comment so it's the first comment every watcher sees
@• • M ar y R e a l • Yes because children don't matter, do they? No one helped me either, I had to help myself & I still struggle forty years later. These platforms are only here for one reason: to make money. That's why they don't show people how to report child abuse & make no effort to reach out to survivors either. There isn't even a trigger warning.
@@fenlandwildlifeclips it was 40 years ago, nobody would have bat an eye
Her family and her boyfriend calling round regularly probably saved her life. Too many people would have raised the alarm
I feel like that's probably another reason why she was able to leave with her life! They didn't want to risk her death / disappearance kinking back to them had they tried anything!
This video sent chills down my spine. The comment on Fred 'breaking in' his daughters made me physically sick. Can completely understand why this woman repressed her time there and her survivors' guilt.
What does "breaking in" mean?
@@datanerd6935 this is a horrific thing to describe, but 'breaking [something] in' means to take something brand new and use it repeatedly. In this context, it refers to him sexually abusing his children.
What survivors guilt? She didn't even try to get help? The language is awful.
I thought the same thing. Those poor girls, what a sick monster
@@le_funk98 monsters... Rose was raping and torturing those girls just like Fred was. She's another Myra Hindley/Karla Homolka/Charlene Gallego/Cindy Hendy type that was an enthusiastic participant in all this.
"He felt it was his right to break his daughters in" is hands down, one of the darkest fucking statements I've ever heard😳🤐
Holy...
I'm not good with English especially British English, what does that mean? To break into his daughter's room like to enter the room or something different?
@@ppjosdet1292 “Break her in” in this instance would mean to sexually assault his daughters before they could have any ‘normal’ sexual encounters. Certainly 2 of the worst humans to ever exist.
@@ppjosdet1292 he felt it was his right to take his daughters' virginity
@@ppjosdet1292it means to take her virginity. It’s disgusting.
She knew something was wrong and left. Obviously not everyone in that situation had that as an option. The kids certainly didn't. But what she did saved her life and it's an important lesson not to ignore red flags. Sometimes leaving a horrible situation is the best you can do.
Stupid people are the ones that are the cause of most deaths by humans.
Yes, she had no other choice. She knew she wouldn’t be believed and somehow I know that’s the absolute truth of it.
@@memyselfi2005 what the fk are you people on about, you report a crime or alleged crime, it's up to them to decide whether to believe you or not. What are you people smoking?
@wasd3108 Reporting what you think you heard (but didn't see) or what another resident told you (hearsay) isn't going to make a strong case. It would be different if there was cold hard evidence of a crime that would stand up in court, then yes you definitely report and make yourself available to testify to the validity of the evidence. But in the absence of actual evidence of a crime/s being committed... the police will say thank you for the information, let us know if anything further happens. This woman was right to get out, she couldn't 'save' anyone but herself, this wasn't an easy situation, she really can't be blamed for not doing more with no evidence of wrongdoing to back up her gut feeling about something being very wrong.
@@sherrysolman if you report someone R his kids, CPS will be at the door soon after, if they don't that will be a case known and will have 100 videos made about it in the future how the system failed. But in most cases they act. Look at you far left on the bell curve
“Break his daughters in”, that is VILE. My sister is 8 and so innocent, I just cannot imagine 😢 I’m glad this lady got out when she did!
Fred and rose where disgusting animals
This couple murdered and raped several runaway girls and their own children. His wife would have babies by her 'johns' and he would abuse them as well. This woman is very VERY lucky to have made it out alive. She's right when she says there wasn't much she could have done as a child.
Jayne's gut instinct saved her life. She was just a kid herself back then and it is doubtful if anyone would've listened to her concerns sadly.
Let me just say this was the 1970s in the UK. They only brought in an act to safe guard children in 1989. There was little she could have done. There was lots of brushing under the rug and children were not believed in many cases. If she said anything there would be a huge chance she would be ignored and she would have definitely been next target.
She couldn't have done anything without her being in danger herself. People need to look at the context and the time frame to realise that she did the best thing, which was get out.
Exactly! I've read books from the era where young girls share all the same story about either being victim or a helpless witness of this type of crime against children.
Thank you. Heather tried to ask for help by reporting to a friend and her friends parents didn’t believe her. It’s probably why she died.
@@phoeberossiter3006absolutely sickening. Her finger nails were ripped off before death and many other things. Just fucking sad
@@phoeberossiter3006 Sickening. Children should always be protected, whenever these claims come up it NEEDS to be taken seriously & investigated
@@user-ri3oz1hi4kpeople are hypocrites. They’re always yapping about “protecting” children yet they don’t do shit and they don’t even take them seriously????
Like WTF is wrong with them????????????????????
Its called survivors guilt. I hope you have gotten professional help for it. If not its still not too late. There is not a single person who thinks you should have done something else.
Survivors guilt, she heard an 8 year old being raped and did nothing other than move out. She has blood on her hands
I do she ought to have told the police an eight year old was being abused
@@muttlee9195 Fred was a police informant on drug dealers - so protected somewhat.
@@muttlee9195 she was a teenage run away so if she reported what was going on she may have exposed herself to being returned to whatever situation she ran away from. Plus as a teenager she didn’t have much experience to know what to do.
@@muttlee9195 what do you think the police would have done
I have nothing but respect for her. So brave to speak to us!
I remember the story of Fred and Rose, but not this very lucky girl who managed to remove herself before they had a chance to end her life. Hearing her still asking questions about 'if' breaks your heart, you were only 16 and had no idea they were murderers. I wish you peace of mind, and I'm so sorry you had to go through what turned out to be a nightmare.
This poor girl is weighed down with regret and guilt. If you are reading this sweetheart thank God you got out. You were a girl yourself and no way would you have guessed what atrocities they committed nor could you have stopped it happening. Please treat yourself well. You deserve good things in life. I do hope you find happiness and a sense of calmness. You are a beautiful person.
I remember reading this story in the US after their arrests. It was Global. At the time had this young girl told the police it would've been ignored due to no evidence? It was a girl that fell victim & got away. Excellent interview by this woman & interviewer who asked the right questions in a compassionate way. She clearly has survivor guilt as others do that refused a ride by Fred? Instinct was their savior. Rose's defense being under Fred's control including being a prostitute in their home as he watched resulting in multiple pregnancies. Rose was complicit in all crimes. I wish the UK had/has the death penalty. She has no rights. Their victims didn't have that option. Jeffrey Dahlmer was killed in prison 4 yrs into his sentence. The guy that killed him had nothing to lose? In house street justice.
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I read the book "25 Cromwell street" written by their kids. My mouth was hanging open reading some stuff and I'm not easily disturbed.
I've just read about it more thoroughly by googling it and I too are horrified at what I read. The effects of it continue, with several family members taking their own lives due to the horror of their childhood. Fred's brother also took his life I think in about 2020 because of the part he played in the abuse. It was far bigger and widespread amongst the family that we thought. Rose especially should never ever be let out of jail. She was utterly vile.
Mae wrote a book too. Very disturbing in parts but it has some nice bits about her relationship with Heather and who Heather was beside from a victim.
What makes me sick and sad is that this happens to children every single day all over the world even worse things. Some people are disgusting and it breaks my heart
And what's only ironic is they think they'll get away from Karmic grip after
God, I feel so much for this woman. She seems so kind and is so articulate in the way she describes things. She lost her best friend and lived thru a horror. My heart, it just goes out to her so much.
The way I gasped when she said, “breaks his daughters in”
I’m in tears! She is so strong to be able to share her story now about living with these monsters. She did the best she could with what she had and she was still a kid.
You can see that she has carried that for years, her body language speaks of a trauma like she is somehow spiritually trapped.
I hope she finds peace one day because it was never her fault and she survived for a reason.
I think she knew more about what went on than she says. If you hear a little girl screaming at for several nights saying “Daddy stop”, then someone tells you “He needs to break his daughters in” and then you leave, you obviously know whatever he is doing to those girls is horrible. I think in reality she had wanted to stay ignorant to it and not think about it.
She keeps trying to convince herself that no one would have believed her but she never even tried. Maybe they might not have or maybe they would have. We won’t know because she never tried.
Even after my best friend disappears for years I wouldn’t just ignore it. I especially wouldn’t wait to contact the police. I think Fred she could sense was evil. I bet a lot of people could. The reason Fred and Rose were caught was because someone reported them for abuse allegations. Then children then tell a social worker how their sister is buried in the backyard.
She might not have known he was a serial killer but she knew he was evil, violent and probably sexually abusive (from the noises and “breaking them in”. I don’t know, I couldn’t live with myself after knowing a situation went on and I did nothing to help and tried to forget it even forgetting about my good friend. I don’t think I could try to force myself to believe if I did nothing and just disappeared that it wouldn’t there was nothing I could do. There is always something you can do.
Even if she was young during the time she could have reported him when she was older or her friend missing many times if she had wanted. when I was growing up in foster I would report neglect or abuse if I saw it. That saved one of my friend’s lives.
@@wildfirefly22You typed all that for nothing really. She was a frightened girl, full stop. Leaving was for the best and if you know anything about the vile man’s history then you would know that many people including his parents knew this man was corrupt. There’s nothing she could add that would offer viewers additional information. I’m happy she’s here to tell her side how it is
@@wildfirefly22 Easy to say all this now, but back in the 70's and 80's things were very different. She would likely have not been believed by the police. The woman who anonymously tipped the police about the abuse, did so in the early-to-mid 90's. A time in which things like this we're taken a little more seriously, but nowhere near as much as today.
You need to keep this in mind when condemning this woman. She was a scared teenager going through a bad period in her life, and had no social standing to encourage belief in what she was saying, or evidence to present - besides the fact she heard something in the middle of the night which could have easily been a child having a nightmare and someone in the family saying something very strange and callous, which has many different meanings until you have the gift of hindsight.
I appreciate what you're saying and your position, but please try to understand this was 40-50 years ago. Do your research into what happened, and you will see the Wests got away with a lot of things, due, in part, to the lack of care by the Police of the time. The children we're even in social care at one point. Many failings across the board, when compared to today's society. Do not direct your blame at the wrong people. She likely blames herself as it is.
@@wildfirefly22 I agree with what you are saying.
I however don’t think she would have been believed.
I also think that deep down she blames herself for not trying, even though she says there’s nothing she could have done differently. I don’t think she really believes that herself. You can tell she’s very defensive about it and doesn’t want to think very deeply about her responsibility.
You can tell by her body language that she’s probably traumatised and that she’s holding in a lot of emotions, which much be incredibly painful.
She is also a victim and she is not responsible for any of it happening but she did have a responsibility of reporting once she was safe and out of that place. I understand that she was young and lost in life, but she did make a mistake, as all human beings do.
I hope that she can come to terms with that and will be able to forgive herself. She doesn’t deserve the pain she is going through and shouldn’t have to be tortured by this.
But I think that, until she stops denying and repressing her mistake she will always be haunted by this.
She is not a horrible person. I think she was a young girl who made a mistake who is now haunted by that. But she’s not responsible for those deaths, only the perpetrators are.
I truly hope she finds peace.
@wildfirefly22 thank you so much for being the first comment out of many that I was hoping I'd find. If I had done what she did, I'd be absolutely ashamed to tell the world that I didn't speak out when I knew I should've.
As for the other comments expressing maximum sympathy (somehow much less for the couple's abused and murdered children), I am sure she does have guilt and trauma! Nearly everyone would be traumatized after this series of events - most people would also hold immense guilt.
She is very lucky, sure, but I'd have guilt too if I sat back and did nothing after the instinctual and lucky escape.
The fact that it was 40-50 years ago is almost completely irrelevant. If you see something sick and awful and manage to escape, it is your duty as the human who was the lucky one to do something about it from the outside.
I'm incredibly surprised at the amount of support in these comments for this person!! I feel bad for the other children!! She got out - they, sadly, were not as fortunate. I am actually not understanding the sympathy for this woman. Can someone please explain your reasons for the appreciation of this person who did nothing? I'm not tryna be a dinky, but I'm seriously wondering where the sympathy stems from!!!
She seems so kind. I'm glad she survived. Awful crimes against children and mothers. Sad.
This lady is so intelligent, so softly spoken, so kind. I am happy you are around.
Can recommend Mae West’s book about her life in Cromwell Street. There are some horrific memories she recounts but also that the children themselves were a family and looked out for each other. When she and her brother and sister finally break contact with Rose and go on to live their lives being the best parents they can be, it’s the most hopeful optimistic moment in the whole terrible story.
This woman was still only a teenager. She was lucky that her family & boyfriend kept tabs on her while living in that hell house. Also good she listened to her instincts & left without warning them 1st.
I lived about 10 doors down from the wests for over a year , the week i moved out the story broke i couldnt believe i had lived that close to monsters and never knew.
Monsters are usually only able to stay monsters when they can trick people into thinking they are good people sadly. Many serial killers are very manipulative.
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Monsters really ARE normal in lots of ways and they know how to virtue signal, like John Wayne Gacy did. You can go a long way on that. He did and so did they.
My grandfather knew Fred in the 70s. Hella weird.
the hindsight must be maddening
Self-preservation is a very interesting thing.
She said that she thought about the different outcomes if she had said something. She would always come to the same conclusion and lock it all back in again.
That is her subconscious way of protecting her sanity. Especially as she got older and could rational these different outcomes. If she dwelled on the fact that she could have said something, she wouldn't be as stable.
In this case, self-preservation has helped her cope. It's helped her understand that dwelling on this isn't going to help her move forward.
I wonder if it was her upbringing being so happy before her father died, if that’s what was within her to give her that self preservation and those protective mechanisms in her mind? Not everyone has that.
@Me,Myself & I she definitely had some childhood protective factors that helped her through this. It's possible that growing up in a loving home helped her move passed this type of trauma.
Absolutely horrific, no matter how many stories I have heard and read over the years, it still makes me feel sad for all of the victims and their families.
Casefile just did a 3-part podcast on this case. It's wild and bizarre. Fred and Rose were a sick couple and their poor kids paid heavily for it.
Where can I listen to that?
@@DreamCatcher... Please be cautioned if you do listen about this case, it’s one of the absolute worst I’ve ever heard, and isn’t an easy story to hear. I read about it years ago. It will haunt you. Best not to listen if your mental state is not in a good place, (it’s hard enough knowing about it when it is)
Just wanted to give you a heads up. The details are horrific. I read up a lot on cases like these because at the time I was trying to understand how people could commit such evil acts, and honestly I’m sorry that I know what I know. It has negatively affected my mind even years later.
@@memyselfi2005 yea I know, even this video has disturbed me but I read up on it years ago too, I had a friend that grew up in that area, I think her mums knows this lady, well it might be her. My friends mum knew a lodger that stayed in the house, she witnessed Fred carrying a big rug rolled up over his shoulder and she later realised he was concealing a body. At the same time tho this story isn't new to me, I saw the video interview with one of his daughters too. I'm really into human psychology. Thank you for the heads up tho, that is really kind. Do u know where I can listen to the podcast?
Back then I don’t think anyone would have believed her, I am glad she got out , she is a wonderful lady , ( thank you for telling us all this ) hugs Nancy
@@DreamCatcher...
The OP said 'Casefile'... I just looked it up, here you go:
ruclips.net/video/ReSV1oWNiws/видео.html
You can hear the guilt in her voice. She did the right thing by leaving & putting herself first, she was a young girl with her own trauma & knew she wouldnt be believed if she said anything, the system is bad now but it was 100 times worse in the 70's & she was so clever in how she escaped, anticipating what their reaction might she knew she had to be strategic. There is nothing she could have done so save the people these monsters murdered.
Not so lang ago I watched a whole recap about Fred and Mary so it’s absolutely mad(ly interesting) that you got this woman in front of a camera. Such courage. Thank you so much to her and the team!
gloucester will never forget. Nobody likes using the alley way where the house used to stand. It creeps everyone out.
the whole area has an eerie feel to it, a lot of bad surrounds the area too
What a simply brave and fantastic woman. The fact she came on here and shared her story, a story so dark and disgusting that it sends shivers down my spine. Jayne, you truly are an amazing woman.
Amazing work as always. Thanks for sharing.
This is truly one of the best channels on RUclips! 👍😃
I read about this case years ago. One of the most horrific I’ve ever heard of. Unfortunately I believe this woman completely, that no one would have believed her, she couldn’t have changed the outcome, and if she had stayed she would have been next. So very sad. I’ll be glad when rosemary is gone. One less evil in the world. Thank you for posting the names of the victims, so much young innocent life lost. May they Rest in peace. She was brave to tell this, I wish our world was different, that they could have been stopped. Or obviously, ideally that things like this never happened in the first place. I remember reading it was a common jab amongst the family after Heather died. To keep the other children in line. They’d say you don’t won’t to end up with Heather. Smh. I can’t understand how people can be this evil.
Thanks for posting this. Jayne is a great guest. Wishing her peace.
@LADbible - Charmaine, Fred's stepdaughter never lived at 25 Cromwell Street, as stated at the beginning of the video. She was murdered, by Rose whilst Fred was in prison, at the West's previous address 25 Midland Road. Her body was buried under the kitchen floor there and retrieved later during a search.
The west's had many different lodger's, waifs & strays throughout 1970 to the early 1990s. This woman wasn't the only person to feel there was something not right at the west's. Before he killed himself Fred west admitted to killing at least 30 people and most of the bodies we're never found. Young girls were always going missing and yet hardly any were reported as missing. Fred was well in with the police too as an informant to keep them off his case. Don't blame a 16 year old kid for extremely poor safeguarding standards. Jimmy Savile victims we're of the same demographic.
Right, she was only a child herself. A vulnerable child without a safety net or any security to back her up.
She was so lucky to get out of that house alive. The fact that she told them she was moving out that day was stupid yet brave. Her best survival mode would have been to just leave and not look back.
Jayne, you are hands down one of the best people alive on earth today. I pray your guilt subsides as you did all you could. A lot of us in that situation wouldn’t be awake enough to not only find another place to live but to keep it a secret until the day of leaving. That, and the fact family & friends visited regularly, saved your life. You’re a truly special lady & I hope life brings you nothing but happiness, stay safe!
It’s good she doesn’t try to blame herself and bear guilt. She was just a troubled run away teenager herself so there really was little she could do other than save herself. A more mature person in a better position in life may have been able to do more.
Might have. That couple had everyone fooled somehow. Even having lived in the house the woman here knew very little of what was going on.
I doubt they would've let a more mature person in a better position live in the house in the first place
@@biosparkles9442 true
@@biosparkles9442 Agree with you. Both Mary & Fred knew their best victims by age, home circumstances & too trustworthy? Interesting that older males were chosen as Mary's customers & house of kids as Fred watched & recorded on video resulting in Mary's multiple pregnancies. They never saw that as a red flag?
Thank you so much for sharing your story.
Jayne, you were a child, only 16 years old ... there was nothing you could have done. Leaving was the only thing you could do at that age and I'm glad you did . Don't you ever feel guilty for not doing anything else
she's a very very lucky woman to have gotten out of there in the nick of time.... I remember in the 90's when this event was all over the news, cromwell will always stick in my mind not for oliver cromwell but of fred/rose west & there brutal life.
Oh my god!! Incredible interview. What a strong woman.
what a woman. such strength. thank you for sharing. great videos recently LadBible!!
This sickens me so much. I feel so awful for Heather & the other children RIP. I can’t imagine hearing her screams in the night that would haunt me forever. This woman is so strong
All i can say with these interviews is fairplay to these people nobody wants to re live anything bad! Let alone this infront of a camera wow! Good for you!!! And thanks for sharing
Omg this is chilling. This case will forever linger in our heart's, as will many others. But to hear her account after such a longtime is just beyond belief
A lesson in listening to one's intuition.
Im glad you made it out. Love to you
Can I just say, what an absolutely beautiful speaker this woman Jane is! ♥
I just finished listening to Case files 3 part podcast on the house of horrors case and hearing the horrific and brutal sadistic things these children experienced in detail was horrible but watching this video made the story even more real and it’s so heartbreaking it even happened in the first place.
Where can I listen to that?
@@DreamCatcher... i listen on spotify but you can also listen on apple music
Thanks so much ~
The story of Heather West in particular is one of the most disturbing things I've ever heard of
When she said he felt it was his right to break his daughters in, I tasted vomit in my mouth. God, that’s disgusting.
If you ever read it Jayne, I am with you and hope to hold your pain with you. You have done all you could. You are so strong and beautiful. You are an amazing spirit and you followed your gutts. I wish you all the healing and peace you deserve. So much love towards you. Celeste XXXXXXXXXXXXX
I LOVE THESE STORIES SM
Love ?!?
That's quite a dark and disturbing statement
@@insidiousbeatz48 and how many crime shows have been broadcast in America since the creation of broadcast media?
People do “love” these crime stories. That’s why they are so popular.
@@insidiousbeatz48 what’s disturbing about liking hearing true crime stories lol? If I didn’t like or “love” It why would be listening to It ?
@@justinwyatt8 Yea that’s exactly what im tryna say
Rhank you for sharing your story. Im so sorry you had to experience this. And its not your fault.
Praying for Jayne to have happiness and light in her life and to let go of the surivivors guilt. It's Not Her Fault
As a young girl of 16 Jayne you did the right thing - you were not in a position to break the silence, as back then (I am old enough to remember all this as the story was breaking) you may not have been taken seriously, the world's view of young ladies like yourself was a lot less accommodating, so you did the right thing, you saved yourself.
Thank you for sharing your story, it was heartbreaking & chilling to hear, but the victims still have a voice through your compassion & love, so thank you again Jayne ❤
Many thanks
Big up to LADbible for their hard hitting content.
I am currently listening to a podcast talking about this very subject. "Casefile" I am on part 3. What a coincidence.
Me too, its a excellent channel
Lovely well spoken lady with a traumatic early years. I hope she’s had a good life
Behind the chimney in her room i was like oh my god out loud! Oh my god!!!
This was hard to watch💔Praying for all those affected!
RIP to all the victims- absolutely horrifying story🙏😔
Those words..."his right to break his daughters in" is just simply shocking and vile
Amazing and spine-chilling video. Charmaine never lived at Cromwell Street as Rose killed her in 1971, BEFORE Fred and Rose moved to Cromwell Street. @LADbibleTV
I would be haunted with guilt if I’d left & said nothing to no one abt the abuse. Runaway or not. I don’t think I’d be able to live with myself
What is she supposed to do? She has a life and she can’t just lay down and die. She couldn’t have stopped them. Like she said she was a runaway and still a kid herself. no one was going to listen to her. You have to think also the times they were living in were very different even though it wasn’t all that long ago.
@@memyselfi2005 people making up their mind about what someone else would do or think without ever giving that person the chance to make up their own mind is always wrong. No matter the reason.
Because they're not only taking away that persons right to make their own choises but they're also juding them and might even be missing out on opportunities that could have come with telling someone.
We don't know if anyone would've believed her unless she actually tried telling people. No one can ever know that unless they tried.
The truth is always difficult to tell....sometimes it takes us years to re count the horrors that we have experienced. I will be 60 in March and just now I am getting the courage to tell my horrors. SA as a child does horrible things to your thoughts feelings emotions and life. I have vowed not to remain silent any longer. I will be telling all my stories...
I legitimately dont understand: if I had done what she did, I'd be absolutely ashamed to tell the world that I didn't speak out when I knew I should've.
As for the other comments expressing maximum sympathy (somehow much less for the couple's abused and murdered children), I am sure she does have guilt and trauma! Nearly everyone would be traumatized after this series of events - most people would also hold immense guilt.
She is very lucky, sure, but I'd have guilt too if I sat back and did nothing after the instinctual and lucky escape.
The fact that it was 40-50 years ago is almost completely irrelevant. If you see something sick and awful and manage to escape, it is your duty as the human who was the lucky one to do something about it from the outside. It's sad that the majority of the population doesnt feel this way.
I'm incredibly surprised at the amount of support in these comments for this person!! I feel bad for the other children!! She got out - they, sadly, were not as fortunate. The comments to acknowledge this woman that mention nothing about the actual victims is bizarre.
I am actually not understanding the sympathy for this woman. Can someone please explain your reasons for the appreciation of this person who did nothing? I'm not tryna be a dinky, but I'm seriously wondering where the sympathy stems from!!!
Also: to everyone saying "there's nothing she could've done, it wouldn't have changed anything", we need to stand together and help the wrongdoings in this world. How do we know that the outcome would have been the same? We don't.
I am actually appauled at the majority of people who apparently would have done the same thing as this woman to help the rest of the children, which is nothing.
She was a child herself. If you can't understand, you're probably just not a very empathic person.
Totally agree with you.
@@barbarabreunis7788 Aha...a child herself who heard and saw funny stuff...enough funny stuff to prompt her to leave. And not tell anyone she was leaving before last moment. Right, "I can't report because no one will believe me"? Lame.
You guys are brutal!!!! For one, you honestly do not know what you would have done had you been in her shoes at that age. Number 2.... my uncle fondled me and tried to carry me upstairs in my house when I was alone and a young teenager. Somehow I knew what he was doing was wrong, I never told my mom or siblings for probably 10 years. I kept it to myself. So until you walk in someone else's shoes you shouldn't be so quick to judge what they should or should have done!
@@lindastangelo1636 there were others involved, though! I understand your point, but what if you'd had a sister and she was the target instead of you? I'm not tryna downplay your childhood (sorry about it btw), but I'm just pointing out a different scenario. I am 100% certain of what I'd have done in that situation.
And if I had saved myself and let the others perish through torture, I would feel such immense guilt that I'd never again speak about it.
30 minutes W/ Maryana.... I NEEEEEED TO HEAR THIS!!
I want to hear an interview with Maryana herself. What stories have stuck with you? You're always so calm and collected through your interviews but have you ever cried for another? Have you ever been deeply effected by those you interview and how have those stories shaped your own personal life?
PLEASE! I think this would make such an excellent interview and give a lot of behind-the-scenes incite that I believe a lot of people would enjoy.
awful, awful people. it was bittersweet watching this, seeing someone talk about their story as a lodger was an incredible insight but also saddening as this shouldn’t have come to this.
It's interesting to read about Fred and Rose as children and what they learnt from their upbringing to make them into the monsters that they became.
Read “an evil love”. That has some bits about their younger years. Rose’s dad was still having sex with rose in his 70s.
Living in Gloucester, I'm always thinking about who I might walk past and whose lives were affected by those monsters.
It would be interesting to know why Anne-Marie and Charmaine were with Fred and not their mothers. Did their mothers not want them, were they deceased or was Fred given custody? Horrible to think social services thought he was their best option.
Nah, so Fred’s first wife left him and he refused to give them to her. Eventually, she came back to get them and Fred killed her. It’s sick
Charmaine wasn’t there, she was murdered by rose when she was 8 at 25 midland road. They covered it up by saying she went back to Scotland with her mum Rena who Fred also murdered. Anne-Marie was Fred’s daughter but not roses. Charmaine didn’t belong to fred, her father was a bus driver, he met Rena when she was already pregnant. I suspect this is why Annemarie didn’t get murdered.
Read the book. An evil love.
@@ASecretSound Rose killed her while Fred was in prison because she started to put up a fight and not do as Rose said. Annemarie wasn't defiant and could be bossed around so she got to keep her life. They had no troubles murdering Heather who was both of their biological daughter, so I don't think biology mattered to either of them. Annemarie was useful, Charmaine and Heather weren't so they were murdered. They just didn't take everything without a fight.
@@Elvenpath that’s a really great explanation to be honest!
Such a brave woman ❤
You can see the pain in her eyes. I can’t imagine what that must have been like.
I lived on Park Road for a few years when I was in Gloucester, which was right next to Cromwell St.
It hurts seeing how much guilt she's carrying. She doesn't deserve that. She did her best going with her gut.
It was her gut instinct or a higher power telling her not to tell them she was moving out, I'm surprised they didn't panic and kill her there and then to stop her telling anyone. She seems like a lovely person and you can tell she's haunted by it. Her coping mechanism is to lock it away but like ptsd, it will come out later on, I hope she got counselling to help her. She's very brave and strong to tell her story.
Where was the "higher power" when the victims were tortured & murdered?
I wish I could hug her. There was nothing more that she could have done with the laws at the time being what they were. Her gut instincts saved her life. Who knows what they would have done to her. She's completely right when she says that had she told them that she was moving out sooner than she did, she wouldn't be here to tell the story now.
Thank god you were able to get out before it was too late. Moving out in one day probably, almost definitely saved your life.
She is lucky to be alive. Poor woman, I hope she can find some peace and realize that it's not her fault.
Casefile True Crime podcast covers this case in detail. The episode is called House of Horrors.
as someone who used to frequent gore websites, i can confidently say that Fred and Rose West's wikipedia pages are within the top 10 most chilling things I have ever read/seen.
I would agree with you there. I also read the Wikipedia page. It’s really bad. I don’t look at gore websites though, and I don’t read about true crime cases like I used to. It’s bad for your mental health.
I read the book and that stuff stays with you
@@memyselfi2005 I don't know if it is or not, for me personally watching gore was the least of my problems. Although I definitely have lost the stomach for it. I've tried going back to some "classics" to see if they were as bad as I remember, and I felt physically ill. Maybe it comes with age.
The site of the old house isn't a remembrance garden it's just a gap between houses? Maybe it was at one point but now it's a wide tarmac footpath between two roads. I'm nearly 30 and it's been that way my whole life never heard of it being a remembrance garden. Weird.
Jesus, what a harrowing story. I hope Jayne has found some peace in her life
So heartbreaking 💔how could they
Such a nice woman. I really hope she is doing okay generally in life. ❤
Even in broad daylight I’m so nervous to watch this. Fred & Rose are some of the most demonic characters to walk this planet.
You can tell that but still plagues her to this day. My heart hurts for her.
BROOOOOO I remember reading about fred and rose decades ago in primary school and I’ve been scarred since. It’s a fucked up world we live in.
I just watched the documentary The Glasgow Girls , there were a few girls on there, 1 in particular that monster tried to take some cottage n she thankfully managed to escape. But never told her mum, understandably. I can imagine it would be difficult. So many of these poor girls didn't speak up. Real shame.may have caught these evil monster sooner. I.m not blaming the girls for not speaking up, just wish 1 or 2 could have found it in them to report that Fred yrs prior to all the other poor victims. May they all rest in peace 🙏
When I say the thumbnail I was like probably some murder no one heard of..I couldn't have been more wrong..
This must have been astronomically difficult to do. So thank you.
I'm so so sorry for what you went through.. don't let the survivors guilt eat you ❤️🫂
Well this is going to be F up.
"break his daughters in". Was this common knowledge to the other boarders? Was Jayne the only one disturbed by it? That made me physically ill. I hope Jayne is doing alright
I know right. Made it sound like it was just a quirk he had. Absolutely outrageous.
@@immir6647 I can't imagine ever hearing that and not having a visceral reaction. And the immediate need to kidnap those daughters and get them away
prime example of “the less you know the better.” smart woman