Replacing PS3 capacitors (NEC/TOKINs) nicely
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- Replacing PS3 capacitors (NEC/TOKINs) nicely. When your PS3 is having YLOD, and the syscon error log shows 1001 or 1002 errors, it is time for you to replace your capacitors.
PS3 YLODの修理、プロードライザを綺麗に交換する
Yellow Light おf Death (YLOD) Fix
Red Light of Death (RLOD) fix
Wow, where you order that capacitor?
I ordered them from Aliexpress, but as shown between 4:27 - 4:50, some of them are faulty. (In case you don't know, you can turn on subtitle for this video. There are useful information in the subtitle) So I don't quite recommend you to buy it from Aliexpress, unless you have the ESR meter like me to check each of them.
Anyhow, the part number for the capacitors is Panasonic 2R5TPE470M9, if you check if your local stores sell them too.
@@hardwarerepair200 thank you very much, i agree i order many time in AliExpress but all the time i check
Já havia visto outros vídeos soldando estes novos capacitores, o seu ficou ótimo, meus parabéns.
6 capacitores de tantalo 470uf para cada nec tokin não ultrapassa muito? existe risco de queimar a rsx ou cpu?
Good evening, excuse the capacitors, what value does it give when it doesn't work and what value does it give when it works?
For the original capacitors it needs to show ESR < 0.005 and Capacitance around 1280 uF to be working.
As I have shown in 3:15 and 4:29, a bad capacitor can have a correct capacitance value but wrong ESR value. So you need to measure both.
I replaced all the Nec tokin used 4 tantalum in place of 1 nec, the console starts normally but when I lunch a demanding game like GT6 it shut down. should I put 6 caps or what do you recommend.
It sounds like you got some faulty tantalums. Have you checked the capacitance and ESR before putting them on the PS3? If not, I would suggest you removing all of them and double check.
You also need to make sure your final ESR is less than 0.005 ohm. If you have 4 tantalums, and each of them has 0.020 ohm, then your final ESR is 0.020/4 = 0.005. If you put 6 tantalums and each of them has 0.020 ohm, then your final ESR is 0.020/6=0.003. Basically the more you put, the better it is.
2:40 of my video shows how to check the capacitance.
3:30 of my video shows how to check the ESR.
I faced the same problem before and it was hell lot of work of soldering and de-soldering. Since then, I make sure all my tantalums are working before putting them on my PS3.
@@hardwarerepair200 I didn't check them before installing, I will remove them and check capacitance before using new ones.
Thank you very much
@@mouskakyo7571 You also need to check ESR. Because most of the time, a faulty capacitor has a normal capacitance but a bad ESR. ESR meters are usually cheap to get, but a ESR meter that can measure up to 0.001 precision is a bit tricky to get.
If you don't have a ESR meter right now, a quick workaround is to replace each NEC/TOKIN with 6 tantalums, and hope that there are enough tantalums to compensate for the faulty one.
@@hardwarerepair200 I have a normal multimeter I can check for capacitance and if the capacitors changes properly, will try to find the faulty one, if not I will put 6 like you did.
I changed the tantalums, tested them and put 6 this time and it worked perfectly.
Thank you for your help
should you only replace the GPU NEC Tokins or you should as well replace the CPU NEC Tokins?
It actually depends on the syscon error log. If you see 1001, it's CPU. If you see 1002, it's GPU.
I have a new video on how to get the syscon error log
ruclips.net/video/EMfJr122Pos/видео.html
Good job!
Wow, do you know that the small perforated area you have just cleaned, is for heat-relief purposes?
I didn't intend to make it heat-relief, it was more for easier soldering later. But I guess there is also heat-relief by doing so.
Yeah nice way to ruin a mobo. Just solder on an angle if you don't have 3 terminals
@@daneayers7483 Thanks for watching!
If you don't have a electric grinder, you can also do it manually with a screw driver.
Here's the video on how to do it
ruclips.net/video/pABdXU_RDFA/видео.html
I hope you find it useful :)
@@hardwarerepair200 I don't grind any of the motherboard. If I'm using Panasonic capacitors with only 2 terminals I solder them at an angle. If I use Capacitors with 3 terminals they can be attached directly and straight. I never grind anything.
hello, why puting those small and not an big normal original Nec one ? thank you for the answer
If you can buy brand new NEC/TOKIN, then sure, it is the best one to put back.
But I can't find it, so I need to look for alternatives.
What temps you use for solder and the heat gun? PLS tell me
I set the heat gun to 200C and soldering iron to 250C.
Hello, great video!
Can i instead of buying new capacitors use used ones pulled from a PS3 Slim motherboard? They are small like the ones you ordered. I'm not sure of their value and their ESR.
drive.google.com/file/d/1jTAEPQms15l2Bc8p4o1EvSw2hIhuMnFX/view?usp=drive_link
An image of the capacitor i am talking about pulled from a PS3 Slim board
I can't see your image because you have set it to private
@@hardwarerepair200 sorry about that.
drive.google.com/file/d/1jTAEPQms15l2Bc8p4o1EvSw2hIhuMnFX/view?usp=sharing
I set it to public now.
Yes.
The cap you showed is 470uF (marked as S8 on it). The marking e means 2.5V.
For more detail, please refer to the datasheet
www.scribd.com/document/674540277/Nec-Tokin-Tepsgv0e477m9-12r
@@hardwarerepair200 thank you! Much appreciated
Have you ever mounted physically and electronically a headphone jack in the PS3? Or modified the lid / cover so the "PS3" logo lights up? Thank you 🤓
I don't have experience doing the PS3 logo mod. But it sounds like a nice idea! Let me know if you figured it out.
For headphone jack, you can use the composite cable came with PS3 and buy a composite to 3.5mm converter like this
www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B00O1GK8MO
@@hardwarerepair200 the PS3 was given to me by a neighbor. No cable, no controllers!!I got a suitable replacement hand controller and the system does work. Not sure about an included composite cable for the sound. Thank and I will check out your link! 🤓
Good night, sir!
Did i change all the nec tokin to tantalum? My ps3 is ylod but don't know which nec error is
Sorry bad english😂
To check if your NEC Tokin has gone bad, you can use a TTL to extract the syscon error log. If the error log showed 8001001 then you should change the NEC/TOKINs for the CELL. If you got 8001002, then you should change the NEC/TOKINs for RSX.
@@hardwarerepair200 don't know what u mean TTL and more...
Just want to change all the tokin to new tokin/tantalum😅
If i change all of that but still ylod, is that rsx/cellbe can be bad sector maybe?
If i use the 470(black) i need 6 of those for each tokin? I mean 3+3?
And also why the yelow ones on the gpu side are 3+1?? Are those 330? Some one olease explain it to mee.. total noob.
Is all ylod just replacing/adding capacitors?
How come all YLOD videos only use capacitors, can they last longer that way?
No. Please check my other video about YLOD
ruclips.net/video/bXu-IhiYPHE/видео.html
Question, what do you think is most likely the problem for my ps3 if it turns on completely fine but when I load a demanding game like final fantasy 13 and it shuts off after like 2 minutes of gameplay. The red light doesn’t show anymore after it shuts itself off either. Until I take out the power and plug it back in. Thanks
I have exactly the same problem, when i ask in the Facebook forum they say it's nec tokin problem
Only syscon can tell you the exact problem.
I recommend you to search for "PS3 syscon tutorial".
Why did you blow the dust (which probably contains copper over the board ?
Blowing them away seems to be faster than sweeping them away.
Why did you use 3 on each side I thought you were only supposed to use 2 on top and bottom
They all seem to be connected in parallel so there is no restriction like "you must use 2". And it is just my lazy way to remove as few NEC/TOKINs as possible by putting back as much tantalum as possible.
According to my own experience, 90% of the time, you just need to replace one NEC/TOKIN if you put 6 470uF tantalums back.
For the remaining 10%, you need to replace two NEC/TOKINs with 12 tantalums.
By doing so, I won't need to remove more than 2 NEC/TOKINs even if they all went bad. So it is simply a personal preference on whether you want to remove more NEC/TOKINs and put fewer tantalums back, or you want to remove fewer NEC/TOKINs and put more tantalums back.
To me NEC/TOKINs removal is painful, so I prefer the latter one.
@@hardwarerepair200 if I remove one nec tokin I would need to put 6 and if I remove 2 I would need to put 12
@@warmaster336 Yes. 12 tantalum should be enough to compensate for the remaining two NEC/TOKINs at the back side even if they went bad.
@@hardwarerepair200 I’ll give it a try thanks for the help
Tokin NEC ma s problémom veľmi malo spojené... Precitaj si špecifikácie
Thanks!
Thank you for watching! Wish you all the best fixing PS3s!
Brother ask you things when read postive and nagativ nec tokin multimater show read what plz help... 470uf 6.3
The original NEC TOKIN has a capacitance of 1280uF.
Man, hi, i have a question Is that, if can i use tantalums one but no smd, and i Will try to put more as posible for the ESR
You need to check if you have enough space to put non-SMD cap under the shield. If your cap is too huge, you can't even assemble the PS3 back.
@@hardwarerepair200 yeah i think that these ones non smd , are small i Will check thanks Man , you should me to put approximately 5,600 UF? 12 caps 470 UF, well , i need to be present with the ESR ,i said it because i was thinking tu put one with the capacity, well i Will check , then I'll Let you know, you are the Best thanks
How about to replace nec tokin for another original nec tokin instead of tantalum ones?
Idk
Sorry for the late reply.
If brand new NEC TOKINs are available, replacing it with another NEC TOKIN actually gives you the best result.
The reason that we replace it with tantalum ones is that it is the second best replacement.
If you are seeking the original performance, Felix actually designed this board to emulate the original NEC TOKINs by placing the tantalum caps in a specific order.
oshpark.com/profiles/RIP-Felix
If you don't know Felix, please also check out his RUclips channel. He has some really nice videos about what YLOD actually is.
www.youtube.com/@ripfelix3020
@@hardwarerepair200 i bought some "new" nec/tokins do you know how to check their capacity?
@@ukemix8848 To check if the NEC/Tokins are actually new, you need to measure both capacitance and ESR. Measuring only the capacitance is not enough since old NEC/Tokins can still have a good capacitance but bad ESR.
You can check here on how to measure both capacitance and ESR
www.ietlabs.com/pdf/Manuals/DE_5000_im.pdf
New and fresh NEC/Tokins have 0.002 or lower ESR. Any values higher than this means that the NEC/Tokin has already gone bad.
thx
Hello dear friend, help me find out. Is it possible to replace the capacitor with this one of this brand 2R5TPE470M9 ?
Yes, as long as the the capacitance is 470uf and the ESR is low, then you are fine. Be careful some cheap capacitors have a high ESR which won’t work well
De cuanto voltaje son los capacitores de tantalio?
Puede usar de v2.5 330uf
@@zeromant80pero cuántos necesitas para eso
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Why is there fewer capacitors on the right?
Good catch! I used the wrong capacitors on the right. They were too tall, and can't fit into CECHA, so I was in the middle of removing them, and replace them all with the black one. Didn't show it in this video, but I soldered 6 black capacitors on both sides in the end.
i removed all the nec in my mother board so can i put all tantalum and will it work?
If you removed all the original NEC, you need to bridge the two positive terminals (the top terminal in the 1st row and the bottom terminal of the 2nd row in the thumbnail of this video) using a high gauge wire. Otherwise it won't work and your PS3 will stay as YLOD/RLOD.
If you don't want to do this extra step, it is better to leave at least one NEC behind as the bridge. (The original NEC/TOKIN has built-in bridging between the two positive terminals)
@@hardwarerepair200 will i removed them all but i'm going to put the bridge
@@hardwarerepair200 it's been 4 months when you made this video tell me how the ps3 doing now is it now run so good?
@@joemusashi2701 Yes, it is running good.
@@hardwarerepair200 that sound good
Come hai fatto a capire quale nec tokin andava sostituito?
Come li hai rimossi?
Sorry, I don't speak Italian. But I use Google translate to figure out your question roughly means
"How did you figure out which nec tokin needed to be replaced?
How did you remove them?"
Here's the reply I made using Google Translate:
La risposta breve è non lo so.
Di solito inizio a rimuovere quello che ho rimosso nel video e lo sostituisco con 6 tantalio, quindi provo se funziona. Il 90% delle volte, la sostituzione di quella già risolve il problema.
In caso contrario, continuare a rimuovere il NEC accanto ad esso e sostituirlo con 6 tantalio.
Secondo la mia esperienza, non ho bisogno di sostituire più di due NEC per ogni RSX o CELL.
@@hardwarerepair200 grazie!!!
Testei em um Fat e um slim capacitores de tantalos não deu certo!
Hola de casualidad quitastes todos los nec tokin ? Yo se los quite y hay que hacer un puente 😊
Isn't a permanent fix 90% of the time
It is a fix for 1001 or 1002 syscon errors.
Can you help me with update error ps3 :
8002F147
Disc tray
Changing Tokin caps are not a permament fix, the gpu chip used in these devices is faulty manufacturing. There is enough information on this in research and forums. As a result of applying heat treatment to the motherboard while replacing the capacitors, the rsx chip also heats up and there occurs a temporary troubleshooting. You think PS3 fixed because YLOD's gone. Actually maybe your capacitors were OK :)
here's the person who watched the rip felix video without getting the point at all
The video description mentioned a syscon error log indicating capacitor errors, so I'm pretty sure in his case the issue really was the capacitors. I'm guessing you watched RIP Felix's video, so you're aware that sometimes capacitors are the problem, sometimes they're not. The point is that we should check the syscon to pinpoint what exactly is the problem of a particular PS3.
Thank you both for clarifying. Yes, always check syscon before attempting any fix.
@@De_kaid There's way more than just one person doing it.. Seems like a lot of people walked away from that video without actually getting it.
@@draconic5129 yea, I keep seeing it, it isn't even rip felix's fault, the whole video was all about not taking a simple answer and yet so many people took a simple answer from it lmao
Soldering looking bad. Change soldering station.
Is this a permanent fix?
I can't say it is a permanent fix for all YLOD. But at least it fixes syscon error related to CELL and RSX power.
@@hardwarerepair200 thanks
drive.google.com/file/d/1bmSmhgKqYOq9eHOs9hJtos57ZwdmKjSp/view?usp=sharing
Hello, I need help, can you make some resistance measurements with a tester? I am attaching a photo directly from your video
I don't remember the exact value. But between positive and negative terminal, it should be a few ohms. And positive and positive (the outer two lines) should be 0 ohm.