@@SirBlackReeds It's shocking how much worse his art has gotten over the years. Though there's a rumor that other cartoonists had to fix his shitty work which would explain it. He's like the American Rumiko Takahashi, except she absolutely always drew her own comics, and her stories never got as insane as his. Though honestly Penders isn't that bad, if he hadn't drug down the Sonic comic to the shitter just to never make his own idea using the characters that got retconned, like literally this was for nothing it's sad. Like even tho his plans look like unfiltered insanity with an art style that could make the blind weep, to never even do it... That's the worst part
Tails Gets Trolled is the strange masterpiece Chris wishes Sonichu could be. The difference? Tails Gets Trolled isn’t afraid to admit it makes mistakes, and is genuinely funny (both intentionally and unintentionally) when everything comes together.
Not to mention, like Cybershell said; unlike Sonichu, Tails gets trolled seems more focused on telling it's own story as opposed to Sonichu which was just reeks of blatant ego stroking and wish fufilment.
Hey, I'm one of the main animators on the Tails Gets Trolled: The Animation project! (specifically I animated the clips you showed and the page introducing Alex and Silver on the TGT the Animation RUclips channel) Thank you so much for including a clip, seeing it made me smile!
the awesome, the power, the gay, the bastard, the guy with no ears, the fire power, the sissy, These were the ingredients chosen to make the perfect little girls.
I love how Blaze doesn't do a single thing in the entire comic, despite being one of the most powerful Sonic characters. Probably is a setup for something or either Lazerbot just uses her as filler. That's the beauty of this masterpiece: you never know what is going to do and why.
I think part of the reason many are so convinced that Tails gets Trolled is just a huge parody is the fact that it managed to keep going even with many people making jokes at its expense, using it as kind of a marquee "bad deviantart thing". I think most people expected that the creator wouldn't be able to keep motivation to make it with so many criticising it or laughing at it (in a negative way) if they weren't doing it as a bit. Honestly though, I think that's what's so admirable, the fact that the artist just did not care what anyone thought of the comic: they just kept making it cause they wanted to.
Honestly I think the person who made this is actually unironically talented and this comic is them BEING ironic. Some panels actually appear like they were drawn by someone who is actually good at drawing because they couldn't restrain the fact that they are actually good at drawing lmao The bridge troll and Tom waking up are the two biggest examples I can see in this video, though I guess now I'll have to read this damn thing. As for his Facebook and DA posts being consistent with a Chris-Chan type character, you'd be surprised how far people will go with these personas. For example, I firmly believe Alex Jones is a Colbert-type comedian turned up to 11.
@@OMalleyTheMaggot i am guessing that's just your brain assuming something that would make sense, as i know mine could as well, but i believe reality is more complicated. When you don't have any direction/education in your work, and you do what you can based on things you look at that other people did, sometimes you, by dumb luck and instinct, replicate exactly what that person did right. The problem is, even you yourself don't know how you did that, or at least you don't completely grasp it, so you don't know how to use that in your other works or even do that same one again. That is the core of being an amateur, in my experience. But i understand we are both simply spectulating, and we probably will never know the truth behind this... XD I just personally prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt. I mean, they even tried to comeback and fix what they did at first, and i sincerely believe they were so insistent about it because they felt unconfortable with how much attention the work that they now considered badly done was getting. That shows genuine growth, the kind that only people with low skill leves have.
Part of the appeal of the massive copyright-shattering cast is how Lazerbot includes characters who are iconic despite having very little personality, then spatter-paints over the blank slates like Jackson Pollock on bath salts. In some cases this creates genuinely improved interpretations of the source characters (like in Silver's case), but even when he overhauled characterization makes no fucking sense (which is most of the time) the resulting abominations are masterpieces of surreal comedy. I don't think anyone in the universe gave a shit about Elmer Fudd before TGT, but now he's an unknowable manifestation of pure id who can't open his mouth without dropping the most memorable one-liners of all time.
exactly this. He gave these characters more life then they ever had since they began existing. Who the fuck cares about Cheetah? Now he is like the Al Capone of anime. Coyote? He is a mix between Chrollo Lucifer and Buddha. And yeah this Silver and even Shadow are better written then their source material, they are actually improved.
@@diegodunn-humphrey512 basically one out of three manifestations of the mind as theorized by Freud that is the humans instinctual and primal needs and wants. The other two are the Ego and the Super Ego.
bro please stop commenting on every video i see. first it was vaporwave. then it was cybershell. then it was some... minecraft video or something??? bro PLEASE im BEGGING you
Whynne: Requested Reddit to stop using Trollface and got Meme Run removed due to copyright infringement Also Whynne: Gave lazerbot permission to use the Trollface in Tails Gets Trolled, thus officially making it real art
If I were frozen Walt Disney I would immediately give over my characters to Lazerbot no question asked. This is BY FAR the best depiction of Coyote and the Tunes characters ever. Whynne understand this, lazerbot HONORS these characters rather than try to milk them like failddit does.
For a really good book explaining the phenomenon of the expressiveness of this art, Ivan Brunetti's 'Cartooning: Philosophy and Practice" is a good read. The basic idea is that crude drawing is more immediate than polished drawing, and closer to "pictoral language." Like how a smiley face communicates a smile with a two lines and two dots.
It's really interesting stuff, I'm not even an artist but this cartoon theory stuff is really fun to learn about. (I haven't read the book you mentioned but something similar)
“He didn’t have a mouse.” Oh, that sucks. “He didn’t have Internet.” Damn, that really sucks. “He didn’t have a computer.” Damn dude! “He was even homeless for a brief time.” WHOA! WHOA! Jesus, guy!
Something you come to understand about TGT over time is that Lazerbot is actually a goddamn genius savant who actually writes and portrays certain things better than a crazy amount of professional creators, despite the wildly unconventional presentation.
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 Unsure how anyone can explain it, but when I did read the comic some of it is stupid, while others is arguably genius in story telling. One example is despite the "bad" art it is somehow able to portray emotions better than "good" art. I am unsure why this is the case, but it just is.
Tails gets trolled art is good art in the same way that ONE's one punch man and mob psycho is good art. It's someone using their minimal art skill to express the emotions and actions a character has to the fullest degree. It's like pictionary where it's obviously not someone's grand masterpiece with detail or "shading" or "perspective", but it does explain and connect with someone what your point or subject is. In this way, the art in Tails gets trolled may not be "good", but it IS "effective".
Lazerbot largely draws like a cartoonist Just because it's ain't your typical overly detailed animu artstyle doesn't make it bad. It just different from what you used to.
As a professional artist It took me 30 minutes to get 10 minutes into this video, I am pausing on every panel to admire this awesome, yet ofc stylized and quirky, yet all the same masterful artwork. The comedy is really next level, the timing and the juxtaposition had me rolling and wtfing... and yeah I agree with people, I wish I could get some of the emotive qualities of these characters and the fluid movement and pacing in my own art. The disclaimer in the beginning about outside art was interesting.
If lazerbot was a bad and lazy artist he wouldnt spend so much time and effort drawing hands in different positions and angles, he clearly is an artist at heart
I think the most interesting thing about TGT is it's audience interaction elements. Lazerbot was keenly aware of people reading his comic during the entire time he was drawing it, and this both improved the comic and made it worse in equal ways. On one hand, the audience reactions were often keenly incorporated into the comic as some really great punchlines and setups, and on the other hand, lazerbot got confused about what people liked about the comic and routinely tried to steer it into directions that he personally thought the audience would have liked more. You can see that really deeply with TGTP, the added shading and darker thematic elements clearly meant to be directed towards the audience's adoration for the dramatic elements of the story. Of course what lazerbot forgot was that the dramatic elements were so beloved because they were well directed, clashed with the E-Rated copyrighted characters, and the story still contained a lot of absurd humor. People also loved the insane anime fight scenes, and now we have an insanely long, supremely over-the-top slugfest between Coyote and Demaro that's taken the better part of a *decade* to get through. It feels like lazerbot being told why people enjoy his comic is inversely affecting it's quality. Maybe there's something to be said about this, that outsider art struggles once people catch note of it. It feels like TGT's earnestness is borne out of the comic's relative isolation, and that earnestness combined with the absurd content ultimately elevates it into something both ironically and unironically enjoyable. But now that people know about the absurdity of the comic, it's trying to ditch those ironically enjoyable elements to become something more serious. I dunno, I think it's fascinating.
@@zenzenulous2243 we only say this fight sucked because we have been waiting YEARS for it to conclude. For people who are reading it NOW that the fight is over it is very enjoyable because it did not take years to reach the conclusion. This is the same shit that happened with the boat in Berserk or the Meruem fight in HXH that took like 3 goddamn years to conclude. People that were there during the CA arc HATED IT because it was very long and the art was terrible... The process SUCKED. But now that the arc was adapted and the art is good again suddenly Chimera Ant arc is one of the best arc in history.
To be fair SMBZ's creator kinda got fucked over with a swift cease/desist to his patreon courtesy of Shiggy and Co. which lead to the remaster slowing down, plus he wasn't having the gayest of ole' times during production to begin with. The remaster was because he wanted to start over after a lengthy hiatus and seeing the Newgrounds flash era come and go and didn't expect the wrench in his plans. I get where Nintendo was coming from, but fuck why is it always the fun and passionate fanworks that get shafted the most.
Lord this comic is amazing. I needa make my own video on it damn. It really is a good comic. Keep uploading btw your content is banger. Giving me a new appreciation for Sonic.
One of my favorite parts of the comic is when the art becomes genuinely good or completely sells a fight or gore effects, unintentional or not I really dig it, he even had decent choreography it's nuts but he genuinely inspires me to start working on my comic i never started
@@Narutass43 this video also references the comic coming back which happened like, a few months ago, so yeah if there was any doubt Cybershell is actually back this video pretty much confirmed he actually is at least for now.
This is like someone took a hundred tabs of LSD and made an OC Kingdom Hearts comic. I fucking love outsider art like this, you're absolutely right that more people should learn to accept alternative and Avant Garde art which disregards conventions, because trolling or memeing aside, this comic is fucking excellent lmao
I hope you changed in those two years but those "ougghhhh I CANNOT IMAGINE anyone being creative they must take the DRUGS" type of comments are so cringe
Dude, you got me into reading TGT and this shit got me wheezing! I reached chapter 8 and I cannot express how much I appreciate *a* : TGT and *b* : you, for making this video. I just really hope my English won't deteriorate too much
"While I would love to demand he continues to bring us free [content]. Theres no point bothering someone who doesnt want to do something." Feels like a callout lol
This is my favourite Cybershell video for some reason lol, every so often I find myself returning to this video and rewatching and so fascinated by the absurdity and level of abstract art displayed by Lazerbot. I love how there’s use of copyrighted characters with no fucks given, freaking Sonic and looney tunes in the same universe, original cool but crazy concepts, surprisingly intelligently choreographed action scenes and somehow lore and a story that consistently builds off itself in seemingly impossible to predict ways Thank you Lazerbot and thank you Cybershell for this piece of deliberate and sometimes accidental madness
The difference between this and many other deviantart comics is those are all one trick pony so bad it’s good. This comic goes so off the rails, it captivates you with either morbid curiosity or wonder of it’s ability to one-up itself
I remember binging this after my friend gave me a brief summary of Shadow in this series. This webcomic unironically utilizes its oddly well crafted, logistical plot structure to a hilarious degree and handles the idea of "subversion" WAY better than most modern Hollywood cinema.
I love how tails gets trolled and sonichu are almost the same thing in how they started, a sonic fan makes a webcomic of questionable quality, but tails gets trolled and sonichu are so much more different in that tails gets trolled had humility and an honest feel to it, like a kids first words, that kinda feeling. Whereas sonichu just makes you feel repulsed at the sight of it. Especially after recent events.
Honestly, other than the PCP lecture, I think this is the best video on TGT made yet. Despite other videos that boil down to "TGT funny and epic fightan," it felt like you had something to say. Glad you made this.
Chris Chan: Drowned in trolls that he hinself created so badly that his IRL life was destroyed beyond any possible hope of recovery. TGT: Kills and humiliates trolls, within his comic and IRL. Just one of his panels was jettisoned into Legendary meme status without him knowing, and without us even knowing where it came from. His "shit art" literally broke the entite reality of personifying emotions through drawings WITHOUT even trying, which is something "real", serious artists that spent years and years and years in school for could never hope to accomplish!!!! TGT is *nothing* like Sonichu.
You're such a sordid human for trying to further mock CWC. This guy has been destroyed for years and you still keep mocking him He didn't create his own trolls, they're the ones who decided out of their own free will to harass him. All the trouble they caused to CWC is on them, it was their decision to harass him, so don't even try to deflect guilt of fault by blaming solely CWC for all the shit that people did to him
@@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess if a person touches a hot stove, gets burned, and insists on repeatedly touching it again and again.... do you blame the stove for being hot? I would put a greater portion of blame on the parents for not stepping in. They did more to enable his insanity than any other outside force for a loooong time. Probably found themselves stuck with no idea how to get out. The parents should have yanked him away from the hot stove and found an alternate outlet.
I went in reading Tails Got Trolled and expected to give up but I kept reading and then I unironically ended up enjoying it. Really sad about the hiatus after he announced he was getting help to finally finish it
The greatest success of the comic for me is how funny it is without really trying. Everything from the art, writing, and presentation lends it to being one of the funniest things I've ever read. It's interesting that lazerbot wanted to remaster his work too, since that was something I was going through awhile ago. I wrote a pretty well received Monster Musume fanfiction story, however I wasn't satisfied ever with how I started it off and wanted to go back to the start to try and fix it. Although, maybe fixing it might alienate people from what made the story fun to make in the first place xD
There's nothing more amazing than reading this comic, liking it ironically, and then liking it unironically after you come to the dawning realization that it's actually a really damn good shonen manga disguised as a deviantart comic. I think it's actually a masterpiece; lazerbot's art is still completely readable despite being conventionally bad. You never feel like the characters are talking too much (unless that's the joke) and you can always tell what's going on in the fight scenes. They're actually choreographed brilliantly.
As an artist this was really interesting! I also had a crossover project many years ago so I totally get how he might he started doing it for the fun of it but then take every plot point and line very seriously. I also get why he would update less frequently, want to do a project with original characters or change stuff from early on, because it can be weird to present your work with something you did when you were really young or different. People really change over time, but I guess you need to trust the reader's ability to comprehend that fact. At the end of the day, it was that journey that took you to the current point naturally, so it would be weird to try to suddenly change it. I wish someone was willing to finish my stuff for me, though xD
AND THANKYOU FOR SHARING THE RUclips CHANNEL FOR THE GUY WHO NARRATES IT BECAUSE HE DOES A AWESOME JOB KEEPING YOU ENTERTAINED AS WELL AS THE COMIC IS WRITTEN WELL I REALLY ENJOY IT THANKYOU
This guy had a tough life, but I really respect how he managed to say professional and generally makes the comic for fun. He just does it and enjoys it. That's why I enjoy the creator and his comic.
It feels weird to say this when it also applies to the SMBZ creator, who most people would agree really knows what he's doing, but going back to remake old stuff is a really big and common amateur artist trap. The fact of matter is, if you go back to remake old stuff because it doesn't meet your standards anymore... by the time you're caught up, your standards will have increased yet again. You will always be growing as an artist, so things you made in the past will almost never live up to the standards of what you can do now. Moral of the story, to any aspiring artist: make things, and finish them. Even if they're small and bad at first, you gotta keep moving forward.
I can understand an artist wanting to restart their magnum opus that they've been working on for years. They feel like they have improved as a story teller and artist and thus they want their whole story to end up being as good as their later chapters. And in some cases an artist can improve a story by restarting, like Super Mario Bros. Z like you mentioned in the video. Its first episode felt much more in line with the future episodes of the series with the match being a fighting match instead of a kart race, and yeah maybe it would be better to just carry on where it left off, but so far at least it looks nice. Another example would be Scottymation's Zelda UO, his art and voice acting skills has truly evolved; that series has been in weird forms of existence for about a decade now, but he is determined to finish that series one day.
8:52 I think it's because amateur artists (not to knock him down or say it in a condescending) don't worry about those other aspects of art that make it "good art". When you improve your skills and learn about things like lighting and perspective, it's easy to fall into this trap where you're more focused on making it look good or "correct" rather than making whatever's in your head. You get caught up in those facets of art, and that makes you not wanna risk failing or looking bad. Using myself as an example, I can't tell you how many half finished high- or low-angle sketches I made and subsequently scrapped because it didn't look good to me. And I've yet to make comics or write things down because I'm less focused on getting my ideas out there and more so on learning how to write at all so it's at a decent level Amateur artists and people who just doodle for fun often don't worry about that. They just draw it to draw it, and then they show it off. Myself as an example again, I get a lot more done when I'm doodling and dump whatever dumb idea of mine onto the digital canvas without worrying so much about it looking great in that moment
"..I have to constantly complain about every single little thing, because i think that i am always correct. There's clearly no point to this scene, because i can't grasp the simple things.. This is your fault, not mine. I know everything about everything, because I've placed my ego and self image in the tallest room, in the tallest tower. DERRRRRRR!!!" Absolutely fucking brilliant. How could anyone even *hope* to recover from this?
On the note of the art though, it's really interesting comparing early panels in a long-form work like this to the later ones, plus seeing where the artist KNEW they pulled something off way better than usual and were super proud of it. The work is consistent, which isn't something to scoff at either!
The different work ethics between Chris and Lazerbot shows how different they are. Lazerbot: I can’t work on my comic because of technical problems and being homeless for a period of time but when I can I’ll post a new page everyday. Chris Chan: I cant work on my comic because I just don’t feel like it and I wanna play video games.
If you really think about it, Tails gets trolled is what happens when a Dungeons and Dragons one shot goes so far off the rails that it ends up becoming a Homebrew campaign of biblical proportions
The obvious analogy here is that he totally George Lucas-d it, going back to "improve" the originals and even prequel-ing it up. Let us hope he can bring balance to his own life and work.
Videos like this are what make me want to just sit down, and learn literally EVERYTHING about the fandom. Hope there’s a resource for all its history, somewhere.
Man, I found this comic in like 2012 and I agree it makes you want to introduce new people to it. I honestly believe Lazerbot is a genius, hope everything goes well for him.
You guys need to cherish this influx of content because he really could just up and disappear again. Cybershell, thank you for the great, consistent content over the past week, i literally checked in on your channel on a whim and didnt know you were gone for the past 2 years, its really been incredible and hope you stick around for a while.
I’m so glad he mentioned Mario bros Z. That was literally the FIRST thing I thought of when he mentioned TGT was getting ‘remastered’ from the beginning for no reason
Congratulations for being recognized by Lazerbot and bringing new life into the fandom. i’ve only ever watched the voice overs by ultimatetailsgetstrolled but your video made me read the whole thing. Can’t wait for more pages.
yeah man get it all out man
No way
Boss
lol
You mad
The real guy
They can't troll you if you dress up as a girl and kiss them. I dont like doing it but it works - Bugs Bunny
The gay
@@rustingflamberge the sissy
@@rustingflamberge the guy with no ears
When I read that for the first time I was like “okay, this dude knows his shit.”
the awesome
Ken Penders wishes he could write as well as Lazerbot. Only in dreams.
this unironically
@@KOTEBANAROT this unironically what? Finish the sentence this unironically what? I need to know god damnit.
Eh, his writing is still better than his art.
@@SirBlackReeds It's shocking how much worse his art has gotten over the years. Though there's a rumor that other cartoonists had to fix his shitty work which would explain it.
He's like the American Rumiko Takahashi, except she absolutely always drew her own comics, and her stories never got as insane as his.
Though honestly Penders isn't that bad, if he hadn't drug down the Sonic comic to the shitter just to never make his own idea using the characters that got retconned, like literally this was for nothing it's sad.
Like even tho his plans look like unfiltered insanity with an art style that could make the blind weep, to never even do it... That's the worst part
Yes
Tails Gets Trolled is the strange masterpiece Chris wishes Sonichu could be.
The difference? Tails Gets Trolled isn’t afraid to admit it makes mistakes, and is genuinely funny (both intentionally and unintentionally) when everything comes together.
It's hard to tell what was intentionally and what wasn't. Sonichu is pretty funny in a so bad it's good way.
Sonichu reads more like a psych case study than a comic
Sonichu isnt fun at all. Its stupid and boring and sad. TGT is intense, extremely funny, and has clear story you can follow.
Not to mention, like Cybershell said; unlike Sonichu, Tails gets trolled seems more focused on telling it's own story as opposed to Sonichu which was just reeks of blatant ego stroking and wish fufilment.
@@wodensblot sonichu feels like a criminal documentary
Hey, I'm one of the main animators on the Tails Gets Trolled: The Animation project! (specifically I animated the clips you showed and the page introducing Alex and Silver on the TGT the Animation RUclips channel) Thank you so much for including a clip, seeing it made me smile!
Long live the Clock Crew!
@@andrewdowell6474 The Clock Crew suck!
Also I realise there is like, some irony here or something.
@@TailsClock hey look, you liked your own comment!
"The suicide part was a little freaky, but thanks"
What a legend
Tellin' it like it is. This guy gets it.
"thanks you"
Indeed
Wait, how have I just noticed that the majority of the comment sections I read has this bird in it.?!
What's that bird in your avatar?
...what did happen to me...?
Wonderful
ldk but PLS MAKE MORE TAILS GETS TROLLED PLS PLS PLS PLS
The myth, the man, the legend arrives.
The king is back
lslsl
Man, it sucks when your favorite creators go on indefinite hiatuses...
Hexane
That's just berserk in general
good thing Cybershell would never do that
*cough*
@@TheRamblemanWhoSings *wheeze*
the awesome,
the power,
the gay,
the bastard,
the guy with no ears,
the fire power,
the sissy,
These were the ingredients chosen to make the perfect little girls.
You forgot the money guy.
ah fuck who added the chemical X?
@@flashlightpaul1432 The money guy is a retarded name call me the smart guy or something
@@Robert___98 It's the Money Guy!
Turns out, the money guy was Coyote all along.
Lazerbot is the perfect example of someone who is uneducated, but not dumb.
Lazerbot is the American Hirohiko Araki.
@@Gaia_Gaistar YES
Lazerbot is a smart idiot
Low intelligence but high wisdom
@@Super_Suchi thats contradicting what the comment said, the comment is saying “high intelligence low wisdom”
And this is why Cybershell is the Sonic lore master. He even covers Tails Gets Trolled.
Wait, didn't Super Eyepatch Wolf cover it too?
Is he also the Sonic Lore Master?
He finnaly did sonic content again
Dude we get it cybershell is back, you dont have to express it every video he makes
He will not be a true master till he covers bench tails
sphingxx STOP
I love how Blaze doesn't do a single thing in the entire comic, despite being one of the most powerful Sonic characters. Probably is a setup for something or either Lazerbot just uses her as filler. That's the beauty of this masterpiece: you never know what is going to do and why.
I mean,it's accurate
She’s finally relevant
Sonic characters are nerfed af so no
@@frank_am shadow is strong as in this and so is full power tails
I think part of the reason many are so convinced that Tails gets Trolled is just a huge parody is the fact that it managed to keep going even with many people making jokes at its expense, using it as kind of a marquee "bad deviantart thing". I think most people expected that the creator wouldn't be able to keep motivation to make it with so many criticising it or laughing at it (in a negative way) if they weren't doing it as a bit. Honestly though, I think that's what's so admirable, the fact that the artist just did not care what anyone thought of the comic: they just kept making it cause they wanted to.
That's actually very fitting, given the story of the comic... XD
I guess they were loyal to their own work of art THAT much. I can respect that.
@@ventriloquistmagician4735 true stuff, i was an atheist till i read Lazybot's history
Honestly I think the person who made this is actually unironically talented and this comic is them BEING ironic.
Some panels actually appear like they were drawn by someone who is actually good at drawing because they couldn't restrain the fact that they are actually good at drawing lmao
The bridge troll and Tom waking up are the two biggest examples I can see in this video, though I guess now I'll have to read this damn thing.
As for his Facebook and DA posts being consistent with a Chris-Chan type character, you'd be surprised how far people will go with these personas.
For example, I firmly believe Alex Jones is a Colbert-type comedian turned up to 11.
@@OMalleyTheMaggot i am guessing that's just your brain assuming something that would make sense, as i know mine could as well, but i believe reality is more complicated.
When you don't have any direction/education in your work, and you do what you can based on things you look at that other people did, sometimes you, by dumb luck and instinct, replicate exactly what that person did right. The problem is, even you yourself don't know how you did that, or at least you don't completely grasp it, so you don't know how to use that in your other works or even do that same one again. That is the core of being an amateur, in my experience.
But i understand we are both simply spectulating, and we probably will never know the truth behind this... XD
I just personally prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt. I mean, they even tried to comeback and fix what they did at first, and i sincerely believe they were so insistent about it because they felt unconfortable with how much attention the work that they now considered badly done was getting. That shows genuine growth, the kind that only people with low skill leves have.
@@ventriloquistmagician4735 halleluiah! :D
My friend got detention for an entire school day for reading tails gets trolled in class
Part of the appeal of the massive copyright-shattering cast is how Lazerbot includes characters who are iconic despite having very little personality, then spatter-paints over the blank slates like Jackson Pollock on bath salts. In some cases this creates genuinely improved interpretations of the source characters (like in Silver's case), but even when he overhauled characterization makes no fucking sense (which is most of the time) the resulting abominations are masterpieces of surreal comedy. I don't think anyone in the universe gave a shit about Elmer Fudd before TGT, but now he's an unknowable manifestation of pure id who can't open his mouth without dropping the most memorable one-liners of all time.
exactly this. He gave these characters more life then they ever had since they began existing.
Who the fuck cares about Cheetah?
Now he is like the Al Capone of anime.
Coyote? He is a mix between Chrollo Lucifer and Buddha.
And yeah this Silver and even Shadow are better written then their source material, they are actually improved.
Wile E Coyote is basically Neo from Matrix Reloaded
What's id?
What was you saying I wasn’t listening
@@diegodunn-humphrey512 basically one out of three manifestations of the mind as theorized by Freud that is the humans instinctual and primal needs and wants. The other two are the Ego and the Super Ego.
The archie comics have nothing on this masterpiece.
Honestly
You kould say that again
Korporal K. Reep ur speaking facts
This, but unironically.
100% genuine facts
0:16 i thought that tom face was an actual frame from the show
The artist is actually amazingly good at creating really raw expressions
@Danielle Jones thats literally me irl
same
@@KOTEBANAROT I could actually really see potential for the author to make something like paintings or what-not of these character designs.
up until just now, so did i 🤯
There's something to be said about non-formally trained art.
You can be good at art without being formally trained, which is how most artists probably start.
@@lethauntic Similarly, you can be bad at art even while being formally trained.
@@SerAbiotico like me.
@@SerAbiotico exactly
Zun
Rumour has it that Stephen King took inspiration from Tails Gets Trolled.
bro please stop commenting on every video i see. first it was vaporwave. then it was cybershell. then it was some... minecraft video or something??? bro PLEASE im BEGGING you
You will never escape
Tabby is eternal
You will never escape
@@-._Radixerus_.- he commented on this 10 months before you…
You crazyy 💀
Whynne: Requested Reddit to stop using Trollface and got Meme Run removed due to copyright infringement
Also Whynne: Gave lazerbot permission to use the Trollface in Tails Gets Trolled, thus officially making it real art
what a chad
in all fairness, did we lose anything of value with meme run
meme run was a commerical product
this is a fan made webcomic
If I were frozen Walt Disney I would immediately give over my characters to Lazerbot no question asked.
This is BY FAR the best depiction of Coyote and the Tunes characters ever.
Whynne understand this, lazerbot HONORS these characters rather than try to milk them like failddit does.
tbf i would also want my property away from reddit
Cybershell is no longer the "sonic-lore master" he is now just the "lore master"
Loremaster of Autistic Arts
Vmac1394 I envy him
@@PETRIXXXX we all do
@@Vmac1394 Godd Howard would like to have a word with you.
Tails is part of sonic lore they never said anything about canon lore
Awesome job summing it all up. Thanks for the shout-outs, too! I'll always treasure my part in bringing TGT to more people.
For a really good book explaining the phenomenon of the expressiveness of this art, Ivan Brunetti's 'Cartooning: Philosophy and Practice" is a good read. The basic idea is that crude drawing is more immediate than polished drawing, and closer to "pictoral language." Like how a smiley face communicates a smile with a two lines and two dots.
It's really interesting stuff, I'm not even an artist but this cartoon theory stuff is really fun to learn about. (I haven't read the book you mentioned but something similar)
“He didn’t have a mouse.”
Oh, that sucks.
“He didn’t have Internet.”
Damn, that really sucks.
“He didn’t have a computer.”
Damn dude!
“He was even homeless for a brief time.”
WHOA! WHOA! Jesus, guy!
Tails Gets Trolled really is the Beserk to Sonichu's Redo of Healer
Can't believe Cyber is covering the best series of all time
true
I loved how me mentioned Super Mario Bros Z. Now I wish he made a video on that.
Something you come to understand about TGT over time is that Lazerbot is actually a goddamn genius savant who actually writes and portrays certain things better than a crazy amount of professional creators, despite the wildly unconventional presentation.
Like what?
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 Unsure how anyone can explain it, but when I did read the comic some of it is stupid, while others is arguably genius in story telling. One example is despite the "bad" art it is somehow able to portray emotions better than "good" art. I am unsure why this is the case, but it just is.
God this shit is overrated. It's amusing but come the fuck on
@@thoughtaddict2739 So you literally can't explain your reasoning? Really compelling case you're making.
@@Kirbychu1 It was definitely an experience, it had quality unlike Sonichu
Tails gets trolled art is good art in the same way that ONE's one punch man and mob psycho is good art. It's someone using their minimal art skill to express the emotions and actions a character has to the fullest degree. It's like pictionary where it's obviously not someone's grand masterpiece with detail or "shading" or "perspective", but it does explain and connect with someone what your point or subject is. In this way, the art in Tails gets trolled may not be "good", but it IS "effective".
hey man, unrelated, but what is your pfp from
Lazerbot largely draws like a cartoonist
Just because it's ain't your typical overly detailed animu artstyle doesn't make it bad. It just different from what you used to.
As a professional artist It took me 30 minutes to get 10 minutes into this video, I am pausing on every panel to admire this awesome, yet ofc stylized and quirky, yet all the same masterful artwork. The comedy is really next level, the timing and the juxtaposition had me rolling and wtfing... and yeah I agree with people, I wish I could get some of the emotive qualities of these characters and the fluid movement and pacing in my own art.
The disclaimer in the beginning about outside art was interesting.
If lazerbot was a bad and lazy artist he wouldnt spend so much time and effort drawing hands in different positions and angles, he clearly is an artist at heart
I think the most interesting thing about TGT is it's audience interaction elements. Lazerbot was keenly aware of people reading his comic during the entire time he was drawing it, and this both improved the comic and made it worse in equal ways. On one hand, the audience reactions were often keenly incorporated into the comic as some really great punchlines and setups, and on the other hand, lazerbot got confused about what people liked about the comic and routinely tried to steer it into directions that he personally thought the audience would have liked more.
You can see that really deeply with TGTP, the added shading and darker thematic elements clearly meant to be directed towards the audience's adoration for the dramatic elements of the story. Of course what lazerbot forgot was that the dramatic elements were so beloved because they were well directed, clashed with the E-Rated copyrighted characters, and the story still contained a lot of absurd humor. People also loved the insane anime fight scenes, and now we have an insanely long, supremely over-the-top slugfest between Coyote and Demaro that's taken the better part of a *decade* to get through. It feels like lazerbot being told why people enjoy his comic is inversely affecting it's quality.
Maybe there's something to be said about this, that outsider art struggles once people catch note of it. It feels like TGT's earnestness is borne out of the comic's relative isolation, and that earnestness combined with the absurd content ultimately elevates it into something both ironically and unironically enjoyable. But now that people know about the absurdity of the comic, it's trying to ditch those ironically enjoyable elements to become something more serious. I dunno, I think it's fascinating.
Yeah tbh, the Coyote vs Demaro fight is one that should have ended a long time back. Yet Demaro continuing to survive? That was lowkey badass as fuck.
@@zenzenulous2243 we only say this fight sucked because we have been waiting YEARS for it to conclude.
For people who are reading it NOW that the fight is over it is very enjoyable because it did not take years to reach the conclusion.
This is the same shit that happened with the boat in Berserk or the Meruem fight in HXH that took like 3 goddamn years to conclude.
People that were there during the CA arc HATED IT because it was very long and the art was terrible...
The process SUCKED.
But now that the arc was adapted and the art is good again suddenly Chimera Ant arc is one of the best arc in history.
@@blublade6999 Ah, yeah, I get what you mean. It’s similar to the Namek saga from dragon ball z, actually, where it just sort of dragged on forever.
>ironically enjoyable.
No irony here broham
When your favorite RUclipsr talks about your favorite webcomic
I'm really gonna miss this man when he goes off the radar again. ; - ;
Same
Cybershell or Lazerbot?
I'm scared Cyber's chain of uploading is about to end.
Gotta enjoy it while it lasts man
dont jinx it lo
impossible
lmao
To be fair SMBZ's creator kinda got fucked over with a swift cease/desist to his patreon courtesy of Shiggy and Co. which lead to the remaster slowing down, plus he wasn't having the gayest of ole' times during production to begin with. The remaster was because he wanted to start over after a lengthy hiatus and seeing the Newgrounds flash era come and go and didn't expect the wrench in his plans.
I get where Nintendo was coming from, but fuck why is it always the fun and passionate fanworks that get shafted the most.
Lord this comic is amazing. I needa make my own video on it damn. It really is a good comic. Keep uploading btw your content is banger. Giving me a new appreciation for Sonic.
mayonnaise
Diesel please make a video on this comic I would love to hear your take on it!!!
Yes please, I'd love to see your take on this absolute classic
Stop making videos
The fact there is two infamous comics about Tails is amazing
We don't talk about the other one...
NO
Aw man, I'm a ring! arms
The duality of man
No,not the bench...
I can’t wait to see him talk about Sonic 2 Special edition.
based pfp
i fucking love special edition
What's Sonic 2 special edition?
@@ActuallySmiley It's an incredibly surreal Sonic 2 LP.
that's a nostalgia trip
It feels like I learned an unknown origin saga of many reaction images like Tails and Tom that had a whole world tied to them more than just the memes
holy shit that's exactly how I feel about this video
You did
One of my favorite parts of the comic is when the art becomes genuinely good or completely sells a fight or gore effects, unintentional or not I really dig it, he even had decent choreography it's nuts but he genuinely inspires me to start working on my comic i never started
10:39 this screenshot is the funniest thing to me “my grammar and writing has improved a lot SENSE tgt”
Bro, Cybershell is going OFF with these uploads!
I think that he stockpiled videos for almost 2 years... That would explain the frequency
@@victorhugofranciscon7899 most likely
@@Comical1984 I didn't watched until that part yet. So it kinda almost confirm the theory.
Cheers lad! Delighted you're back.
All the recent uploads were previously scheduled
@@okarowarrior He's been active in the comments, if not much.
@@Narutass43 this video also references the comic coming back which happened like, a few months ago, so yeah if there was any doubt Cybershell is actually back this video pretty much confirmed he actually is at least for now.
@@gabriellegoop3284 There was also a screenshot in the Chao video from June 17 2020 at the earliest.
Okay but like, that one Amy face in Polished genuinely looks amazing, like I'm actually stunned at how ridiculously emotive it is
Which one tho
@@WillCipher The close-up when she's telling off shadow
@@Lazypackmule I think they meant when
This is like someone took a hundred tabs of LSD and made an OC Kingdom Hearts comic. I fucking love outsider art like this, you're absolutely right that more people should learn to accept alternative and Avant Garde art which disregards conventions, because trolling or memeing aside, this comic is fucking excellent lmao
I hope you changed in those two years but those "ougghhhh I CANNOT IMAGINE anyone being creative they must take the DRUGS" type of comments are so cringe
"After years of being on hiatus, TGT is finally updating again"..... speaking of something being on hiatus for years and finally updating again....
System Of A Down?
Are you talking about Hunter x Hunter? Sadge
@@RayManiac90 no
it's cybershell
he uploads once every 1 year basically
Tails gets trolled is unironically the best modern western comic in the last decade. So glad to see Cybershell covering it.
My man dies, comes back and basically nearly hits 100k subs from his 63k in a week.
Truly a "Wise fwom your gwave!" situation
What would Jesus do?
Rise from dead and get zero subs. :D
He was at 23.5k when I resubscribed
@@knifestrife3786 you unsubbed? No dignity.
@@knifestrife3786 Y to shame
Sonic has blue arms in this comic this means that the artist is a madman
Man created Sonic Boom IRL.
Dude, you got me into reading TGT and this shit got me wheezing!
I reached chapter 8 and I cannot express how much I appreciate *a* : TGT and *b* : you, for making this video.
I just really hope my English won't deteriorate too much
“I’m now going to teach you the fine art of patience”
“Aaahhh so gay”
30:36 "Maybe I'll do an in-depth plot analysis one day if people are into it"
Well, cya in 5 years, Cybershell.
"While I would love to demand he continues to bring us free [content]. Theres no point bothering someone who doesnt want to do something."
Feels like a callout lol
sonic 2 bonus video
That image of Tom the Cat staring blankly at the ground in distress will always remain fucking timeless
This is my favourite Cybershell video for some reason lol, every so often I find myself returning to this video and rewatching and so fascinated by the absurdity and level of abstract art displayed by Lazerbot. I love how there’s use of copyrighted characters with no fucks given, freaking Sonic and looney tunes in the same universe, original cool but crazy concepts, surprisingly intelligently choreographed action scenes and somehow lore and a story that consistently builds off itself in seemingly impossible to predict ways
Thank you Lazerbot and thank you Cybershell for this piece of deliberate and sometimes accidental madness
I come back to this video almost every year
@@diagojonathan
Same
The difference between this and many other deviantart comics is those are all one trick pony so bad it’s good. This comic goes so off the rails, it captivates you with either morbid curiosity or wonder of it’s ability to one-up itself
"When there are asspulls they're usually funny or amusing powers"
"OH SHIT HE'S DRAGONBORN."
The greatest story of our time. I deadass took inspiration from this comic in my writing due to how fucking engaging it is
unironically agreed.
Take One Punch man art, fuse HXH and JoJo and crossover all kind of characters and you get TGT.
I remember binging this after my friend gave me a brief summary of Shadow in this series. This webcomic unironically utilizes its oddly well crafted, logistical plot structure to a hilarious degree and handles the idea of "subversion" WAY better than most modern Hollywood cinema.
Subversion? When?
@@ari-man sonic fucking dying is one thing, but the others are huge spoilers.
@@liquidladdy I wasn't ready for that Amy flashback.
@@CynicalZielony Now that was fucked
@@CynicalZielony Everytime I reach the panel where Eggman just comes fucking hoovering in the background I start crying
I kinda wanna hear what Cybershell thinks of the 1992 Sonic mangas where Sonic is actually a magic alter ego and his real name is Nikky.
I love how tails gets trolled and sonichu are almost the same thing in how they started, a sonic fan makes a webcomic of questionable quality, but tails gets trolled and sonichu are so much more different in that tails gets trolled had humility and an honest feel to it, like a kids first words, that kinda feeling. Whereas sonichu just makes you feel repulsed at the sight of it. Especially after recent events.
Finally a sonic related video, bless you my man
It's like if Ken Penders poorly drawn comics had a great story
Honestly, other than the PCP lecture, I think this is the best video on TGT made yet. Despite other videos that boil down to "TGT funny and epic fightan," it felt like you had something to say. Glad you made this.
Chris Chan: Drowned in trolls that he hinself created so badly that his IRL life was destroyed beyond any possible hope of recovery.
TGT: Kills and humiliates trolls, within his comic and IRL. Just one of his panels was jettisoned into Legendary meme status without him knowing, and without us even knowing where it came from. His "shit art" literally broke the entite reality of personifying emotions through drawings WITHOUT even trying, which is something "real", serious artists that spent years and years and years in school for could never hope to accomplish!!!!
TGT is *nothing* like Sonichu.
@beebly He pussed out and retconned them to be forced into the Amish life though
There is no doubt in my mind that TGT is the best fictional work of the century
You're such a sordid human for trying to further mock CWC. This guy has been destroyed for years and you still keep mocking him
He didn't create his own trolls, they're the ones who decided out of their own free will to harass him. All the trouble they caused to CWC is on them, it was their decision to harass him, so don't even try to deflect guilt of fault by blaming solely CWC for all the shit that people did to him
@@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess if a person touches a hot stove, gets burned, and insists on repeatedly touching it again and again.... do you blame the stove for being hot?
I would put a greater portion of blame on the parents for not stepping in.
They did more to enable his insanity than any other outside force for a loooong time. Probably found themselves stuck with no idea how to get out.
The parents should have yanked him away from the hot stove and found an alternate outlet.
I went in reading Tails Got Trolled and expected to give up but I kept reading and then I unironically ended up enjoying it. Really sad about the hiatus after he announced he was getting help to finally finish it
tails gets trolled is such a great web comic
The greatest success of the comic for me is how funny it is without really trying. Everything from the art, writing, and presentation lends it to being one of the funniest things I've ever read.
It's interesting that lazerbot wanted to remaster his work too, since that was something I was going through awhile ago. I wrote a pretty well received Monster Musume fanfiction story, however I wasn't satisfied ever with how I started it off and wanted to go back to the start to try and fix it.
Although, maybe fixing it might alienate people from what made the story fun to make in the first place xD
There's nothing more amazing than reading this comic, liking it ironically, and then liking it unironically after you come to the dawning realization that it's actually a really damn good shonen manga disguised as a deviantart comic. I think it's actually a masterpiece; lazerbot's art is still completely readable despite being conventionally bad. You never feel like the characters are talking too much (unless that's the joke) and you can always tell what's going on in the fight scenes. They're actually choreographed brilliantly.
As an artist this was really interesting! I also had a crossover project many years ago so I totally get how he might he started doing it for the fun of it but then take every plot point and line very seriously.
I also get why he would update less frequently, want to do a project with original characters or change stuff from early on, because it can be weird to present your work with something you did when you were really young or different. People really change over time, but I guess you need to trust the reader's ability to comprehend that fact. At the end of the day, it was that journey that took you to the current point naturally, so it would be weird to try to suddenly change it.
I wish someone was willing to finish my stuff for me, though xD
AND THANKYOU FOR SHARING THE RUclips CHANNEL FOR THE GUY WHO NARRATES IT BECAUSE HE DOES A AWESOME JOB KEEPING YOU ENTERTAINED AS WELL AS THE COMIC IS WRITTEN WELL I REALLY ENJOY IT THANKYOU
"Tails Gets Trolled is unironically good"
Dude, same
This guy had a tough life, but I really respect how he managed to say professional and generally makes the comic for fun. He just does it and enjoys it. That's why I enjoy the creator and his comic.
It feels weird to say this when it also applies to the SMBZ creator, who most people would agree really knows what he's doing, but going back to remake old stuff is a really big and common amateur artist trap.
The fact of matter is, if you go back to remake old stuff because it doesn't meet your standards anymore... by the time you're caught up, your standards will have increased yet again. You will always be growing as an artist, so things you made in the past will almost never live up to the standards of what you can do now.
Moral of the story, to any aspiring artist: make things, and finish them. Even if they're small and bad at first, you gotta keep moving forward.
I can understand an artist wanting to restart their magnum opus that they've been working on for years. They feel like they have improved as a story teller and artist and thus they want their whole story to end up being as good as their later chapters. And in some cases an artist can improve a story by restarting, like Super Mario Bros. Z like you mentioned in the video. Its first episode felt much more in line with the future episodes of the series with the match being a fighting match instead of a kart race, and yeah maybe it would be better to just carry on where it left off, but so far at least it looks nice. Another example would be Scottymation's Zelda UO, his art and voice acting skills has truly evolved; that series has been in weird forms of existence for about a decade now, but he is determined to finish that series one day.
8:52 I think it's because amateur artists (not to knock him down or say it in a condescending) don't worry about those other aspects of art that make it "good art". When you improve your skills and learn about things like lighting and perspective, it's easy to fall into this trap where you're more focused on making it look good or "correct" rather than making whatever's in your head. You get caught up in those facets of art, and that makes you not wanna risk failing or looking bad. Using myself as an example, I can't tell you how many half finished high- or low-angle sketches I made and subsequently scrapped because it didn't look good to me. And I've yet to make comics or write things down because I'm less focused on getting my ideas out there and more so on learning how to write at all so it's at a decent level
Amateur artists and people who just doodle for fun often don't worry about that. They just draw it to draw it, and then they show it off. Myself as an example again, I get a lot more done when I'm doodling and dump whatever dumb idea of mine onto the digital canvas without worrying so much about it looking great in that moment
earliest ive ever been jesus
oh yeah, um, sonib
Same
Not hard to be early when he has a set schedule 😂
Me too.
@@AshBob5000 eh, true
Me and my friends actually tried dubbing tails gets trolled and we laughed about every other line
CONGRATS ON 100K, CYBERSHELL!!!
he hasnt hit it yet
Hoodlum he’s close
Mikey X hit it!!!
jose chamu yeah baby!!!
"..I have to constantly complain about every single little thing, because i think that i am always correct. There's clearly no point to this scene, because i can't grasp the simple things.. This is your fault, not mine. I know everything about everything, because I've placed my ego and self image in the tallest room, in the tallest tower. DERRRRRRR!!!"
Absolutely fucking brilliant. How could anyone even *hope* to recover from this?
On the note of the art though, it's really interesting comparing early panels in a long-form work like this to the later ones, plus seeing where the artist KNEW they pulled something off way better than usual and were super proud of it. The work is consistent, which isn't something to scoff at either!
Stop playing with my heart, man.
The different work ethics between Chris and Lazerbot shows how different they are.
Lazerbot: I can’t work on my comic because of technical problems and being homeless for a period of time but when I can I’ll post a new page everyday.
Chris Chan: I cant work on my comic because I just don’t feel like it and I wanna play video games.
21:04 So, this confirms that Cybershell forgot the password?
If you really think about it, Tails gets trolled is what happens when a Dungeons and Dragons one shot goes so far off the rails that it ends up becoming a Homebrew campaign of biblical proportions
Tails Gets Trolled is the same idea as Scoob And Shag. Starts out as some minor thing, turns into a highly complicated mess that's sick as hell.
The obvious analogy here is that he totally George Lucas-d it, going back to "improve" the originals and even prequel-ing it up.
Let us hope he can bring balance to his own life and work.
Scoob and Shag is like a spiritual successor to TGT, it is honestly one of the best things I've ever read.
Videos like this are what make me want to just sit down, and learn literally EVERYTHING about the fandom. Hope there’s a resource for all its history, somewhere.
your pace releasing these videos is great! appreciate all this quality content, i subbed.
Man, I found this comic in like 2012 and I agree it makes you want to introduce new people to it. I honestly believe Lazerbot is a genius, hope everything goes well for him.
It’s funny how it evolved, and that the people thought it was shit when it was first made.
Congrats on 100k subs Cybershell! If I made a new comment no one would see the shit
I know these daily uploads will stop one day but I’m enjoying it while it lasts 👍
2 things I like about the comic
1:no plot armor
2:the main antagonist is actually threatening
Can we talk about how well the hands of the coyote are drawn at 22:02? If that was done in MS Paint that's even more impressive.
i can't even draw hands
@@omarpikm2101 I can relate
this is the exact type of content I want to see from cybershell
"haha look at that talentless looking Fox"
"Huh?" *Proceeds to spit bars*
You guys need to cherish this influx of content because he really could just up and disappear again.
Cybershell, thank you for the great, consistent content over the past week, i literally checked in on your channel on a whim and didnt know you were gone for the past 2 years, its really been incredible and hope you stick around for a while.
wow, I must be old because I never heard of this but could recognize a lot of the panels and reaction images that have become memes
I’m so glad he mentioned Mario bros Z. That was literally the FIRST thing I thought of when he mentioned TGT was getting ‘remastered’ from the beginning for no reason
Congratulations for being recognized by Lazerbot and bringing new life into the fandom. i’ve only ever watched the voice overs by ultimatetailsgetstrolled but your video made me read the whole thing. Can’t wait for more pages.