Is The CHEAPEST Land Rover Defender The Real Deal Off-Road? | Now Rocky Mountain Tested!
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- Опубликовано: 12 окт 2020
- ( duckco.com/tfl-store ) Check out TFL's apparel store! We just bought the cheapest 2020 Land Rover Defender you can feasibly get right now, but does its lower price tag (and lack of Land Rover's absolute best off-road tech) really hurt its performance off-road? Let's find out!
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Love your channel! Just tell us what happened to the check engine light? You guys got that fixed? 👍
FYI: We filmed this before the check engine light came on.
@@TFLoffroad what caused the check engine light??
@@vingtsun1952 At the end of the other video they hooked up a scan tool and number 2 and 3 cylinders had mixture issues as I recall.
@@vingtsun1952 they are keeping it under wraps for another video it seems😉
@@Stuka87 A UK owner of a P300 Defender had a check light within hours of taking delivery. He created an entire episode about it but took it down. The comments made fun of the Defender and the dealer and he thought the comments were unfair.
This is why I love TFL. Buying an off-roader and putting it to use within 48 hours.
That’s the first thing I would do too. 😁
THAT is what caused the check engine light. The manual SPECIFICALLY WARNS NOT to immediately go off-roading. REQUIRES gentle break in on that particular motor. TFL may not EVER admit they didn't RTFM. Poor car. Dufus clowns.
@@gbtriumph3216 Oh, May be you are right. That's what I was wondering that they are pushing without completing the break-in period.
That squeak is a feature, it's part of the classic Defender acoustic package!
Are you from MTV?
The should charge extra for it. Or have electronics that simulates it.
I still can’t get my head around why Land Rover would make this into a “Luxury” off roader. Wasnt that the whole point with the Range Rover??
See my earlier comment. Basically, this is now a successor to the Discovery and not the Defender. The Defender is now dead as we know it. If you want a true successor to the Defender then look to the Ineos Grenadier.
Bigger market
They know people just want to buy into the offroad culture without actually ever doing it. It's all just for show as with most luxury products.
Lots of us here in the UK can't understand why they went to all the trouble, and cost, of making a new vehicle where the Disco, Freelander cover all the demographics. Should have consigned the Defender to history.
DRIVEnCHILL it's a very cynical way of squeezing every penny out of everyone. There will be some who want a luxury version and some who don't so why not cater to both and sell more vehicles
Liked the Defender at first. Then I stopped liking it for a while. Now I like it again in UN white with steelies. It doesn't look right as a 'luxury' vehicle. You guys have nailed its purpose on this planet. It ain't a rock crawler by a long way - but it doesn't need to be!
Same here, it's "de luxury'd" but looks like it'll be reliable and durable. It has the qualities that I liked about my old Volvo 940 turbo wagon that I so wish I never sold... Zero options except for the turbo in an otherwise luxury brand. Cloth seats, no sunroof, manual climate (when auto was pretty much standard). This defender looks like an awesome base to start from.
Defender was never ment to be a rock crawler anyway
@@volvo09 "looks like it will be reliable and durable", Roman is now already on his third 😆
@@afkorey2151 never buy a land rover in the first year of production, after that they're usually fine.
Really love the spec of this vehicle. A huge breadth of capability off road, and a very comfortable daily driver. Considering what u guys will do with ur Defender, I would definitely fit some skid plates and under body protection. For people who want to do full on rock crawling etc, customise your vehicle accordingly. Each owner can also choose how aggressive they want to go with AT or Off Road tyres, if the factory AT Tyre is not sufficient for ur requirements. Look forward to more coverage of this Defender doing its thing. 👍👍
background music off please
Awesome new car. Don't let the ignorant haters detract anything away. You will always have that one guy mouthing off about toyotas, and his counterpart that hates anything that is foreign made. (that doesn't know his GM is made in Mexico...)
Their check engine light came on btw, and they sent the car to the dealer after 170miles only! Check the other episode..
Ford, Toyota, and Honda are my big 3 lol 😂
@ their brand new Defender still at the dealer haha
@RpM_Evan aged great lol 😂
I like what you said about GM cause I’m a Ford guy but Land-rover/Jaguar is horrible
Was watching a Doug review of the ford bronco and thought when is the next video from my guys at TFL....bam notification comes thru. Keep up the good work and hope that check engine light is being fixed.
Turn the music down....
By far one of the coolest things you guys have done. I want to see a good tire and beadlock wheel setup and straight overland style build. Awesome content guys!
Great content, horrible choice of background music.
yes! where has this background music on a loop come from!
More than one person would perfer to hear the conversation and engine /nature sound ...
Yes. All the young kids love anything that sounds like the Chipmunks 🐿 are singing 😆
If the vehicle hasn’t gone through it’s intiAl values being set for fuel trims, air density, etc on its first drive cycle, and it was trying to complete these tests in a ever changing poor climate At high elevation, I can see the implausible values they received from the cel light. Dare I say an initial drive cycle may have been needed prior to off-roading?
How dare you make such a logical argument. Most cars in the manual say not to tow or do anything strenuous or even hit higher rpm ranges for the first 500-1000 miles.
This is an excellent point
I know right!! What am I thinking!! Lol
Maybe that's why the new Defender manual clearly states no high revving and NO OFF-ROADING in the first 2,000 miles.....
A logical and well made point in a YT comment? What sorcery is this?
Great content. Very excited to see the adventures with this defender.
Being a Discovery Sport owner and having test driven the new 110 by invite from Land Rover UK this film was right up my street. Thanks.
Great video. really well done. Love the look of this vehicle. I've got a Discovery 4 (LR4) though with snorkel, winch, bullbar, rock sliders and dial battery and I'm prey sure I wouldn't be getting much more capability with this.
I dunno if I had the boxes Id put my first aid kit in one and a go bag in the other. Its outside the vehicle so it could be super handy for items you need quick in an emergency.
This episode was filmed before the engine light came on
I love this. I would do the same thing whether it be a defender or jeep. Buy the cheapest base option and customize it myself over time. Tires would be first mod as you said of course, then recovery points like you did with the hitch d-ring, and then if it didn’t have it already dark tint, and then after a year or three add the winch, roof racks with tent, swag, lights etc. good stuff lads!
Very cool that you took it down that challenging of a trail straight off the showroom
Floor!👍
I feel like F1 teams get there engine sensors from Land Rover
Those body coloured panels on the rear window areas make it look like you've left the window pricing stickers on. I find it an odd look.
Honestly thought that was what’s they were at the beginning of the vid
This utilitarian defender looks like a patrol car of a bad guys private militia in a sci-fi movie. Perfect mix between black and white and the futuristic elements (lights, side windows, interior) look great on an old school chassis. Really a beautiful appearance.
I had the same thought
Just started watching all your channels and loving the content
Keep up the good work TFL. You are the only ones out there, that I’m aware of that, who buy a vehicle w their own $$$ and take it immediately out to do what the manufacturer says it can do in all their mrkting and Break It! These are very good real-world reviews, Im serious!
The steel wheels makes the Defender resemble the original Honda CR-v. I like the fact that you are reviewing the base model. I hope once the dealership fixes your issues you'll be able to give us a thorough long term review.
Hope you like the new truck Roman and Tommy!! I like the steel rims..nice job☺️!!
From a Brit who loves the Landrover Brand - The new Defender is no Defender. You will rue the day you opted for the air suspension when it breaks down in the middle of nowhere. The Coil option was the way to go. As you mentioned the Ind Susp is no match for a decent solid axel set up. You summed it up at the start of the video when you said its main competitor is more the Grand Cherokee than the Rubicon and I would agree with that statement. The Defender is now more of a next Gen Discovery with better off road capability. If you want a true successor to the Defenders Crown then look to the Ineos Grenadier when it comes out in 2022. Keep up the good work.
There's no need for solid axles in the UK at all unless you own a farm or a grouse moor, in which case you're probably better off in a 'gator or a Full Fat depending.
Not a land rover person but good video. music was annoying and loud, never noticed the music before really in your videos. watched on a computer to a monitor (not on phone). The road looked like my 1984 buick LeSabre could do it just fine also, I am sure it is harder than it looks. Nice to see you guys do videos together sometimes like this one you both are in love with it and it shows. Stay safe and healthy.
The music when you speak is really annoying/distracting.
I love that you guys bought the most base model one. Base model is really where I look to buy stuff! Not necessarily a defender but still cool!
Saw a tricked out one today... In a Land Rover employee's home driveway... Very nice; rack, ladder, winch, lots of competition decals. Looked very nice but seemed smaller than I expected.
I really like what you guys bought. Just the basic rover. Something very nice going bare bones 4X4
I love that the guys at @tfloffroad and @tflcar do more base model offerings, things that we can sorta afford!
Love your videos, I just have one request: is there anything to be done about the disparity in camera rate and screen refresh rates when filming the infotainment systems in vehicles? It’s the only part of your content I have an issue with. Keep up the great videos and hopefully you have an above average Land Rover on your hands 😅
I don't like that also to the point I look away. Most electronics manufacturers are not using that old PWM technology anymore. I'll look forward to direct current LED back lights in future vehicles. Even the buttons in that Defender are full of PWM flicker that gets accentuated with camera refresh.
I’d love one of these. That’s probably the worst I’ve ever been over ( uk so not access to the stuff you guys have) I go in trails like that in Spain a couple times a year But 99% is a lot less than that so I appreciate the ride comfort. Seems the perfect vehicle for me.
Remember the solid vs indy suspension is a double edged sword. Will give more wheel articulation but will also give more body articulation with it. Notice how this stayed pretty flat even with a wheel off the ground?
This is why solids in general are a little less forgiving when you get to the edge of stability. They also really compromise the road manners and ride quality so they have their good points and their bad.
That 3rd person camera system is very unique!
Man having independent suspension in the rear really limits the amount of overall articulation but the electronic traction aids and locking differential will make up for it on most easy to moderate trails in my opinion. It might end up fairly popular if people can swallow the price and I hope the the whole 5% to 10% that do take it offroad are mindful of that suspension setups limits.
Greetings, is there any option you purchased that you would not have in hindsight? Likewise with the converse. Also, is there much of an aftermarket for customization?
Id buy one if i could have coil springs instead of air suspension, selectable lockers, and be able to defeat the stability control but keep the traction control so the traction control can distribute power without reducing the engine power. Thats what I love about my disco2. No matter what, the traction control does not reduce the engine power, it just distributes power where it is needed. Comes in handy because having a geared transfer case means you can make tight turns with the center diff unlocked so there is no binding like a chain drive and you still get power to all 4 wheels with the traction control.
I love TFL but sometimes the drive is too slow even on a relatively smooth off-road terrain. Please speed up sometimes where possible, I'd be happy to see how vehicles perform that way too
#1, those tires are more than adequate for what you are doing. My stock Dunlops on my 4Runner take every terrain except the sloppy mud. #2, I have had my TRD for over 2 years and have been on every terrain .. including the wash board fire roads. Zero squeaks. ;) #3, All those cameras are fantastic! Wish the 4Runner had them. However, apparently, you don't have skid plates? For 55K, one would expect that on a 4WD. Great camera shots. Great views. Thanks for taking us on these adventures. :) (looking forward to finding out about the engine warning light)
So cool. Great work!
I will be very interested to follow you in your new Land Rover. Enjoyed the scenery too.
I was wondering if you still have the check engine light on. If not how did you make it disappear?
Great content guys! You really nailed it buying a more bare bones version and props to actually buying this thing for us to see you test out! Unfortunately I think Land Rover missed the mark on this crossover and should’ve called it something else. No true off-roader/overlander is going to take this tech loaded air suspension equipped rig to remote locations far from civilization imo. The old Defender may not be bulletproof reliable, but as many say could be fixed on the fly. Let’s hope the Grenadier really happens and Ineos rights Land Rovers wrong!
Good stuff. In future videos I would love to see a difference in articulation in high and normal mode. Seems like all people put it straight to high and makes the traction conrol work super hard. I think in normal mode it would be more capable so long as ultimate clearance isn't necessary.
Does going to high lift and low range not automatically come with the rock crawl setting? Seem to recall that from my D3 way back in 2005.
@@robbrent yes if you go into rock crawl you get high height. If course this new system let's you create custome profile if you pay for the option as they did.
Great to hear that you got a genuine squeak. Old Defender 110s could seat 9. Good health from 🇮🇪 to enjoy your new wagon Lads. Still think about the heated seats.
I would love to see LR Defender off road comparison with Grand Cherokee :) Great video as always
Apparently the '21 Defender 110 will have an optional fixie suspension. Wonder how different it'd be off-road, and how much money it'll save?
really "dig the "Brady Bunch background music your playing "man! "Rockin"!
I dig the look with the steel wheels. Hope you guys keep them.
This thing is growing on me! I have a hard time wrapping my head around the size of it though, it looks to me like a Honda Element, so I think of it as being the same size. Whenever they're standing next to it it blows my mind at how large it is, LOL.
It looks small on camera, saw one in person the other day and it's pretty damn big
@@cameronr7223 Totally does look small on camera. The 110 has never been a very small vehicle, however.
Love this thing! I would for sure buy one of those recovery hooks from land rover and pop that plastic piece off and bolt it on there. I think it would complete the look!
What causes the display screen and the switch emblems to flicker like strobe lights? I've notice that vehicle headlights sometimes do it as well in your videos. My guess is something to do with them being LED.
Even though you guys had all the problems with this base model would you still recommend one? I would have love to seen how the base does in your guys tests.
Have you guys found out max tires on size that will fit the steel wheels, with and without rods?
Hey, what would happen if you bring a plant in a pot with a slow dripping irrigation system and leave it up there in that high altitude deserted mountain ??
does all US defenders have air suspension in-built or do you have to buy them saperately? TIA
Is the 4 cylinder engine have better gears than other defenders with bigger engines?
Did you guys fix the ‘check engine’ light?
Can’t wait for the TFL slip test!
What was the reason the check engine light came on after this trip?
I know this defender needs some upgrades, but I would love to see how this compares both in price and off road performance as an overland rig vs he 4dr bronco. On the bronco a base with Sasquatch sounds great but I'm sure it won't exist without ordering. So Bend or Black diamond look like the best and can add the mid package for all the other goodies.
Did you get the engine light fixed?
I believe this was filmed before it came on.
All of those camera views are pretty handy
Despite its flaws - it is a nice looking rig! With your upcoming Mods - Im sure it will look amazing!
In defence of Land Rover , well someone has to, I had a disco4 did 60k miles in 3 years and just changed the tyres so . It was faultless. Changed to an Audi Q7, couple of small gremlins, as I dont like the new disco and was considering the new defender alhtough the boot isnt as big as a disco so I will be watching with interest.
Next stop is the dealership unfortunately. Hope everything is good and see it running as long term project.
Really looking forward to a simple tire-swap comparo!!
Recently bought a GX, but I really like this Defender. Couldn’t justify a first year new platform though.
2021’s are being delivered now
You have chosen wisely
Can't wait for you to put some nasty mud tyres on this beast!
Question: Do you compromise your warranty if you install a suspension lift and/or same if you instal that fail safe device in case your air suspension fails so you can still drive(although lowest setting only - still takes that danger of your mind).
And we all know the air suspension WILL fail at some point.
@@paulog8813 why? They had that lr3 with tons of miles on it without problems. They were worn out as any would after years of usage. It is better to be safe than sorry, but you are just being negative.
@@markovucilovski9876 I’m on my third Land Rover with air suspension (RRS, D3 and D4 - which are all the same platform). I had to change compressor and the front airbag/strut assemble on everyone of them. In the D3 twice. The first as soon as 20k miles (out of the 1 year warranty I had). And do not use the for off-road. I have Defender and D1 for that. That is my experience. And I make all the maintenance by the book in the best Land Rover Specialist in my town.
@@paulog8813 I had an Lr3, had to change the compressor but found put that the reason is the air dryer was never changed. As long as you change thw air dryer when you first notice any quirkiness in the air suspension it will last. Wish I'd have known beforehand. Wasn't hard to do, but one bolt was a royal pain to access. Loved the buttery smooth ride but I trust my D2 more for offroading.
@@markovucilovski9876 You need to get off-road more! Coil suspension is way better better than Air for reliability and repairability if you are stuck in the middle of nowhere. No fun if the car won't move because a dumb sensor on the air suspension is broken.
Is there a way you can slow down the frame rate so that it does create the vehicle electronics to blink?
It isn't the frame rate. To make led lights appear dim the number of leds illuminated cyle on and off. The human eye can't pick it up, but the modern camera can. Only by over exposing the shot to catch all the leds illuminated can you avoid the "flashing." However, the image will be washed out.
@@justinfowler2857 thanks for the info.
Take the gladiator up radical hill. I did it this year in my 3rd gen taco and it was fun
Great channel. Can you please match the frame rate of your camera with the LCD screens in the vehicles. You're gonna give someone a seizure guys.
Just saw you in this vehicle in Boulder!
hello sir nice video. whenever you plan to change tires try pirelli Scorpian atr plus lt 275/70 r18
Now I’m wondering why the rear view mirror lcd screen doesn’t flicker when all the others do
What was the check engine light for?
Excited for the defender content
Great video - Defender loooks amazing
You know when you bought the Land Rover, did you not get the Discovery Experience - which is basically off road experience at one of there centres or off site centre - i know that europe has this for free. You could do another video on that experience..just an idea.
Great stuff, keep the LR content coming, still prefer my D2 TD5. But you can convince me
Rear boot aperture on the dedende is about 6in smaller than the Disco and side swing doors are a pain when you park/work on hills. Im a D3/LR3 owner in the UK and use mine for off road workhorse stuff and its superb, Defender is the logical next car for me but the price and boot issue put me off.
How does it compare to the LR 3?
So what was the check engine light issue?
In Australia they say if you want to go to the outback take a land rover BUT if want to get home as well take a Toyota Land Cruiser.
I wish it had a removable top. Only thing keeping me from getting one vs Jeep or upcoming bronco. Gonna wait to see the new bronco next year before deciding which to get.
Going for the new Toyo Open Country? Excited to see the mods
I may have missed it but what trail is this? I live in CO and always am curious what trails yall are on.
They approached the Webster Pass. You can access it via Hwy-6 (Loveland Pass) -> Montezuma, if I got it right in GoogleMaps.
Colorado is a beautiful state, I hope I can return for an other roadtrip soon.
Man I was waiting for this. By the way, have you heard about the “Hardtop” versions too?
That's only for UK
Wonder if that base engine would still be good enough with a full over landing setup
any plans for takinga rig down Red cone??? super fun on a bike!
Get tires asap! But after watching the articulation with clear view of wheel well, not going to get much larger. But its grown on me amd I want one.
I love this car! Thank you guys)!
This feels like more of an evolution of the lr4/discovery than a defender, or more than the current discovery.
Great job buying the base one
I guess the check engine was fixed I want to know what the dealer did Roman and Tommy superb video and Backdrop as Always!
Evan Katz this is the video they filmed before the check engine light came on. So the news about what the light was about is yet to come out.
This trail looks as challenging as a parking lot. You probably could tackle it with a Camry. Considering where 99.9% of LRs will end up - it's a perfect test. Either parking lot or being repaired at you dealer. But then it will be dealer's parking lot.