How Does The 2020 Land Rover Defender Perform Off-Road? I Race It Against an Old One To Find Out!
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2024
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( www.TFLcar.com ) In this episode we take the brand new 2020 Land Rover into the woods to see how it performs off-road. To make it interesting we bring along our old, slightly clapped out 2006 Land Rover LR3 we bought for $5,500. Can the new $80,000 defender keep up with this old beast when the going gets tough? We test the new defender on the rocks, in the dirt and through some mud to find out!
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If You Liked this video, You REALY Like This one Where we Race The Land Rover vs a VW Touareg to the Top of a Mountain: ruclips.net/video/_0Rwxp3YC6g/видео.html
Love these races, keep it up!
Thanks, we really appreciate the kind words. More are coming. Please stay tuned.
I agree, I seriously love these races. Hope to see more. I send the links to my mom and she watches them and my wife will sit and watch with me. Thanks for the content!
It's obvious that you both enjoyed making this video. Well done. It would be really interesting to see you put the Jaguar Ipace through your off road tracks, as a race between gas vers electric, or just your mountain pass trial.
You bug hg h
This video just confirmed that the new “defender” is supposed to be the new Discovery.
its actually a discovery ¿6?
Want a new defender? a safer one? go for an "INEOS GREANADIER"
How very bizarre your logic is nguout
mondo odnom I don’t find my logic bizarre at all. My logic is just logical. Lol
mondo odnom he’s right. I wrote an entire comment comparing the specs of the two.
Or, the new FREELANDER..
In short: two discos go over a hill, the new does light and comfy trail duty, the old does the fun stuff..
But the new one is not Disco. It's Defend.
@@patrickshelley5929 It’s more of a discovery than a defender
It's been shown that everyone stops caring about their land rover right after depreciation
This is literally my car...I bought it last week. It was the last First Edition with third row in the region. Thanks for not ripping it up too bad.
I can't believe Tommy said the lr3 weighs a couple thousand pounds more than the defender so another words saying that the defender weighs like 3600 lb? That was a very strange thing for him to say
This felt a little too much like a reality Tv.
Not really a comparison video, more of a scripted show than anything else. But that’s just my opinion.
Should have done a defined route, one car drive it at a time and the quickest wins
unfortunately, we are mostly watching scripted and rehearsed videos each time we get on youtube. top gear was the worst. like having a camera set up every fifty feet and im supposed to believe its a fluid show
See my post above...I told them to eat more steak.!
I agree absolute waste of 14 and a half minutes
If you're gonna compare a Defender to "an old one" then I was expecting an old Defender!
We all know the new “defender” is really the new Discovery though.
@@nguont The new Discovery is the new Discovery....
@@nguont its a newer discovery.
if youll compare defender. then take a 110 defender and compare it with a Grenadier.
Sure thing. Just send us a note to info@tflcar.com as to when we can borrow your classic Defender and race it off-road...and we'll get right on it. Thanks!
superkjell the new Defender SHOULD’VE been the new Discovery.
I'm biased because I have a Disco 3 V8, in my eyes it just looks much better than the new Defender. Great video guys!
Kobus Erasmus agreed, those disco’s are some of the best looking off roaders ever in my opinion, and that coming from a Jeep guy!
Agree.
just be glad your disco badge is on a real disco. in new defenders case, its a disco with a defender badge which is a shame
It does 😂
I got a 04 d2. Would never get rid of it
Guys, I gotta tell ya.
As a UK citizen lovin’ your channel, it’s glorious to see so much love for Land Rover. For all their faults, they’re just epic (as is Jeep 😁) and you do the good ole, oil dribbling wagons proud.
My dear dad always wanted a Defender but sadly passed before owning one. He passed that love on to me but whilst I’ve owned Land Rovers I’ve never owned a Defender. This is something I cannot pass on to my son and so one day, one day.
Thank you for the reviews, the laughs, the scrapes and the odd crash. 👍👏👏♥️♥️
“One life, Live it”.
Thank you for watching and thanks for the kind words!
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One life. Don’t waste it fixing land rovers
@@finesoul677 unless you actually like fixing Rovers, but I digress, TFL haven't had to fix their Rover like all the naysayers would have assumed.
Bronco Vs defender Vs wrangler
Definitely defender will by last, if it makes it to the end.
@r2d23678 How do you define "better"? By rock crawling? By cruising acrossdesert? By towing... Nowadays people seem to think the main and probably only way to define off road capability is "rock crawling". Come on, there're so much more...
Land cruiser?
@JF If you really have seen or would like to find out those measures about the new Defender, you wouldn't call it a total fail. Because most figures are twice even three times better than the Rubicon or the new Bronco with Sasquatch. But, if all you want to do is to make your subjective statement, then all I can say is good for you. Nowadays anything can make one happy without breaking any laws should be encouraged, right?
JF You have got to be kidding about plastic skid protection. Anybody with some sense with change it. It does not change the fact that the Defender is a very capable machine. Independent suspension makes it an overall better vehicle. The only place independent suspension will hold you back is in the Most Extreme Rock Crawling places. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
I love the Father-Son thing going on between the 2 of you. Having fun and teaching him business at the same time. Great father driving some good cars!
Bronco vs Defender vs Wrangler face off review is what everyone's waiting for
That would be a great comparison.
Should be very interesting... Offroad, towing, payload, fuel economy etc.....
@Tom Somers
Please stay tuned!
And so Mr. Mica Jr. wins two in a row, he's killin' Roman
Geez, spoiler alert.
The best test of a new Defender would be to drive it until it breaks and then see how hard it is to fix it.
85 processors, hybrid engine, air suspension, 20in rims low profile tires, plastic bumpers, muffler location... What is there to brake😂😂😂😂😂
Basically a short trip around the block is all that's needed.
I bet it will require more than a spanner and anger.
Love the videos on the LR3. The fair and qualified opinions on its real world value and reliability are a welcomed contrast to the trite and uninformed commentary on this vehicle found elsewhere. Had traded my 4Runner for a LR4 a while back and have had zero regrets or horror stories. TFL reviews are informative without being dull, and entertaining without being obnoxious. Well done!
6:10 you can change the air suspension height on the move as well as the terrain response.
Can also shift into low range on the move if you follow the procedure in the owners manual.
One thing I loved about my old LR3 is how fast the air suspension raised the vehicle compared to other vehicles like the GL350 bluetec I replaced it with. Noght amd day difference. The benz took forever, the rover took about 5 seconds.
Thanks Flat Irons Land Rover.
Finally a review! It will be a good world when the bronco is finally available… Choices, I cannot wait to see who will be king of the off-road world!!
The old defender is still the king the off road. Especially where you don't have access to repair garage
The G-Wagon remains King. The Land Cruiser comes in real close too
@@johnlatsch9720 you have a very valid point. I prefer the old “tech” to the new wizardry. I have a 1990 Mercedes G-wagon, the only thing electrical is the heater (thankfully) and the map light! Love it...
it wont be this new defender, thats for sure
To be honest, I don't actually find the "race" that entertaining and much prefer to see your usual off-road comparisons, especially with such capable vehicles (neither the LR3 or Defender were made to sweat there). I do understand that the Defender is a loan vehicle and that you don't want to risk damaging it though!
Totally agree! Race is kind of a fun change of pace but I HOPE it doesn’t become a regular segment....
In fact this is the first entirely new Defender since 1948.
It's new something not Defender. They might as well name it Jaguar E type.
Weeeeeeeell the first wasn't a defender, nor the second or third or fourth. So it's actually the first new "defender" since the 1990s if you go by name and the biggest redesign since 1983 dependent on how you count.... 😂
@@PaletoB It gets a bit messy working out whether the last of the old Defenders is truly just an evolution of the 1948 model, but it certainly was far closer than, say, any modern Jeep to the originals. Or Toyota Landcruiser, though the 70-Series is seriously old-style.
@@shebbs1 I agree!
@@shebbs1
They just gave the Series the name „Defender“ to distinguish it from the new „Discovery“. A lot of parts are still the same (until 2016).
I’ve never heard such a hilarious nonsense. „After 25 years of production we have a proper PROPER offroader” 😅
He said: „After the Defender was out of production for 25 years...“. That is bs of course. It was not out of production. The us gov just did not like the competition and did not allow the import for 25 years and you missed a lot.
Damn I didn't think the new Defender would be that impressive off road and still look that good. I feel like I'm about to spend a lot of money. 😂
You guys have single handily drove up LR3 prices
I got a D2 after I saw their videos on the D2 haha. My 2004 has been flawless. At 170,000 miles so far.
Don't put your lr3 in offroad height with lift rods it kills articulation and standard height with lift rods will get over most obstacles. Only lift into max height when grounded.
Exactly I leave it on normal and only off-road height for water crossing or to mess around and look cool for 2 seconds. Also did you notice that Tommy said the lr3 weighs 2000 lb more than that Defender 110 how odd that's a huge error😊
Been watching you guys for many years all the way from Hong Kong. From humble beginnings, your videos are now as professionally made as those I see on TV...perhaps even better at times! Keep up the good work!
Tommy's over there waving the flag like is the fourth of July for God's sake!😄😄
We just watched what a young Roman would've done.👍👍
The proper comparison. Finally!! 2020 Defender is the ultimate Discovery. Let the OG Defender die with glory.
They should just rename the brand to Mall Rover and get it over with.
i call it the land rover pretender
healthyamerican 😂😂
😂😂
You can option better tires from factory. Also, because it’s the bigger engine car, it’s brakes are bigger and more grabby. Smaller engine has smaller brakes which are more progressive. You can then also get 18” wheels from factory alongside the off-road tires. Make sure the optional diff is there too. This wasn’t a test for either vehicle though really. The trail is easy. I’ve driven tougher trails in a standard L322 Range Rover with ease. We need some proper tests, not just driving on a dirt road.
New Defender... Great to go around obstacles...
new defender, best for going on dusty trails and little mud puddles
Great video. I know, Disco has the tyres and all that, you had to be nice with the Defender, but kudos for actually getting them together because the comparison is bang on appropriate and what lots of people want to see (including us!). I hope, though, that in the future we'll see some more serious testing of the new Defender when you get a chance, and I know you will!
Who cares about the Defender, I'm impressed what a good Dad you are. My son is 6. I hope he wants to do the same things when we get older. You should get the Dad of the year award! God bless you!
Come on Roman! Tommy beat you because you wanted the newer vehicle and he was less likely to care about a twenty-five-year-old lr3!
I freaking love the new races that you guys have started doing! There are a ton of fun to watch! Thanks guys
Roman says Next time he’ll take Tommy!
I say, take a couple of inexpensive old four wheelers and go out to the desert and put the hammer down! Thanks guys!
I'm right over here in Arvada so it's easy for me to catch your daily videos!
Ive found and buying a Discovery 3 since these guys have had so much joy and success with their Disco 3
Just the review I have been waiting for. Thank you for the top best video 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
not a huge fan of these top gear style “races” but it does show how far your production value has come since you guys started.
Should have been race like Lamborghini Urus vs Porsche 911.😉😂😂😂
all about the hosts wanting to be famous. this channel is lame but they cover it up with big intros like its a high production tv show
What an amazing video guys, great race, and both vehicles were superb and performed just great.
Congrats Tommy.
"Passing him like the wind" so "Passing wind"? 😁
Great video chaps. I could never afford the £100k that a new Defender would cost - but I *did* manage to pick up one of the last Disco4s (LR4) last August with only 34k miles on the clock and looking like brand new. Very happy. 😃
My Land Rover LR3 is a tool that I use to do my job. It's a stock vehicle with the only exception being Nitto Grapplers. Tommy, you were not out of it's league on those trails. What I need to know, is in 100k more miles when my LR3 get tired. Will I be able to rely on a gently used 2020 Defender to get me where no one else can go?
The New pretender just got Discovered.
Hopefully you will take that yellow 1990s defender out next.
I have wanted one of those my whole life..I cant believe somebody traded that for a new one!!
John O'Mahony they obviously weren’t a proper Land Rover enthusiast otherwise they would have kept the old one and watched it’s value go up.
I think we are too late.....looks like it must have sold already!
@@winstonchurchill237 no they won't wouldn't want to show up the new one its shit has electronic problems already its not a defender this thing will be the death of them you can't fix it and won't stand up the any serious offroading its a Chelsea tractor if you in the USA know what that is
“That is a butt clincher moment right there” 🤣🤣
I must admit I loved the old defender passed my driving test in a FFR army vehicle when based in West Germany
Para sigue siendo mi favorito Land Rover Discovery 3, defender perdió la rudeza y ahora es solo un refinado estético para Mall, saludos desde la Patagonia de Chile.
Lo invito a que busque en RUclips el video WHEELING BRAND NEW DEFENDET CHINAMAN GULCH , despuès. comente si es un SUV Por donde sube ese nuevo Defender y a esa velocidad , no sube la mayoría de los 4x4 verdaderos , STOCK DE FÀBRICA ( ) , o sea sin modificaciones , salvo un Wrangler Rubicon por ángulo de ataque y ventral Le aseguro que hasta un Land Cruiser FJ 70-76 , o un MB Clase G , se quedan pegados por los bajos en ángulo ventral , o no le da el àngulo de ataque para pasar esas rocas Comente luego cual SUV de Mall , o paseítos sube por ahí
Excellent review! They nailed all the critical points:
1. 2:34 New "Defender" is really a tech updated Discovery
2. 5:20 Not a serious off-roader or rock climber because of delicate tires, electronics, chassis and design (you can add $4000 scratch protection :))
3. 12:17 Any buggy, Jeep or American truck, or even old Land Rover, would be much more fun on a trail
4. 2:01 It is still overpriced to the moon
5. New Ford Bronco here I come!
Hi Tommy,
How do you know that your LR3 doesn't have the optional rear locking differential ?
The LR3s were built with so many different custom option combinations.
Dang TFL, getting close to 1MM! Congrats
New Defender conquering shopping mall carparks everywhere
i have a basically stock FJ Cruiser, except for a 3 inch spacer lift, tires, and rims, and it can get me anywhere i want! you can get them for around $10K as the cheapest ones!
Whats in the box over the right rear window and does it come stock or with an upgrade package?
Awesome videography. You guys have gotten so much better! I love TFL! Been with you guys from the beginning!
Thanks for the support!
LR3 is 100% Body-on-Frame
For peace of mind off road adventures I'd have the new BRONCO
@Mikey I have a 2019 Ford Ranger Raptor and my colleague has a 2019 LR Discovery. I can send you POV footage with great quality sound of the Disco creaking and bending Unibody over undulations off road. And that from a 2019 Discovery with only 12,000 kms on the clock!
In my Body-on-Frame Ranger Raptor no such thing also no such noises in my brothers Toyota Land Cruiser Prado.
In a Unibody vehicle your suspension are directly connected to the car via shock struts also.
So IRL it's you that's annoyingly stupid. No Unibody vehicle should be allowed off road 😤
What tires are you guys running on the LR3? I’m running Cooper Zeon LTZs on mine, but I like the more aggressive look of what you are sporting. Are they performing well? Any rubbing issues in the various suspension modes such as access mode?
This new "Defender" is pretty underwhelming, and that's putting it nicely.
It was a fun video and great cameraman skills there to watch... keep it up!
I've had my LR3 for 11 years here in the UK. The main thing it goes through is wet sloppy mud when off road. Come on guys, get the trucks into the wet stuff.
The new Defender is fantastic. Besides great off road ability, it now has comfort, safety and modern tech. It is now a daily driveable vehicle with a huge breadth of capability. It’s very customisable. Create the Defender that u want. Very easy to fit a set of proper off road tyres. And lift kits r already being fitted onto them if u want more ground clearance and off road ability. LR3 / LR4 r also a great vehicle. The Discovery 5 model has gone more luxurious and upmarket. The new Defender is the logical replacement of LR3 and LR4.
As an LR4 owner, finally the comparo I wanted to see. Of course as an LR4 owner I also kinda already know what the new Defender will do, since it’s basically an LR5. Fun vid. Would like to have seen the Defender do Razor Rocks tho- yes I’m speaking to you Roman! Course I also understand going for the win!! Lol but as Tommy won in an older veh, question is did youth win or age win??
You can get the new Defender with smaller wheels and ATs from the factory. The ATs they use aren't nearly as aggressive as the ones TFL has on the LR3 though.
Doug DeMuro’s old Defender?
🤔 I'm thinking the same
I'm not sure why Doug DeMuro would take his Defender to Colorado to sell it instead trading it in in LA but ok.
why would you do a race instead of going through the challenges like you normally would and really test the car?
Because it’s more fun to watch
@Julius W. Exactly my thoughts
@@TFLcar on the fun factor yeah. But at this early stage of release, i would prefer to know the full capability of the vehicle. The burning question is, "Is the new Defender capable to accomplish the TFL test?"
Really love the way you guys test off roading capability and regard your channel as the benchmark of "offroad worthiness".
Please, please, do another one as a treat for the fanboys!
The Fast Lane Car no it isn’t.
I agree, everyone wants to know how the new Defender stacks up. This video let me down, I had been refreshing the channel since they did the behind the scenes hoping for this but this is not what we wanted. The last race video was fun because they are two old off roaders that have been extensively covered and we know how they perform and it was about father vs son. This video is just showing us that the Defender can drive on dirt roads which my 98 Forester could do. Luckily there is a video by Diariomotor (spanish I think) That pits the new Defender against the Mercedes Gwagon (3 lockers) in a series of obstacles and I think it shows the differences well between them. Only bad think about their video is it is in spanish so you have to read subtitles.
Fun vids guys. The LR3 weighs 5100-5700 lbs and the new Defender claims 4800-5300 lbs. not a huge difference and we had a friend weigh the new Defender and it was actually 5600 lbs. and that’s without a third row seat. Both vehicles have the unibody but the LR3 also has a chassis.
@10:15 When seeing the new Defender going over the big rock, my butt got squeezed automatically.
Tommy for the 'W' again!! You can't let the old man off easy.
I think you guys have got it Spot On
The New Defender seems a more natural replacement for the LR4 in size and shape than the LR5 is 🤔
Hopefully the New 90 version will be closer to an Old Defender
Or maybe you’ll have to wait for Le Grenadier
massive wheel stands is a IFS/IRS thing. really hoping the bronco's hydraulic sway bar addresses this to a point that makes it a serious off-camber off-roader.
So today i learned that the new Bronco will most likely be able to go anywhere and do anything as long as I equip it properly, understand it's strengths and weaknesses, respect it's limitations, and use a little common sense. Sweet.
i really think Land rover should pay for this. It's better than any commercial thought of.
My all-time favorite LR3 rocks - well done Tommy !
That Lr3 is awesome! Can you compare it to a xc90 with the v-8? Thatd be a great comparison and in an affordable price range!
I think that when TFL can get their hands on the bronco I think it should be a major triathlon type race they did with the power wagon, frontier and raptor. Go over some trails, running through mud and desert sand running in a bronco, Jeep, Land Rover or Toureg. I mean really give it a run for the money. Got to give to the guys running the drone for the aerial footage, great framing of both rovers near the end
Discovery any day! The Discovery was designed to be the best all-round car in the world, you can more or less go anywhere, you can carry you're family to school, holiday or into a desert or muddy field. I think that Discovery generation is probably the best looking Land Rover vehicle be ever and Australians tow 7,700lb travel trailers with them into the outback. A fantastic car and if I could be afford to run one in no Ireland i would but the tax system here is shit!
Nice video! I have a story to tell you. My dad used to have a 2008 Nissan Pathfinder. We were going to see some trains. But all of a sudden the engine started to shake because the car was getting old. And this was in 2016 or 17. We were worried that it will stop on the train tracks so we went home. Thanks for listening!
In the rest of the World, the original Defender 110 was available brand new until 2013.
Love the New Defender 110
I bet your old Disco 2 V8 would have given them a run for their money!
How is it with difflocks? Does the new Defender have real mechanical difflocks like a Rubicon or G Wagon or just traction control?
Has center lock and optional automatic rear locker. No front
It has no axles... So no differential to lock..🙃
Fender - de-fender
To defender - to remove the fenders, Defender - short for the process of removing fenders
I think I've just mastered English language:)
this defender is a pretender
@@healthyamerican It's too good of a pretender that it somehow managed to be better than the original. Try judging the car itself and not it's name and you'll se it's a pretty good vehicle.
Thank you for show casing the new landrover
The defender uses an integrated power brake system, so it no longer uses a vacuum. Having tried other vehicles with similar systems, can't say I'm a fan.
How much air did you let out of your tires before starting?
*laughs in granadier *
Like the Toureg vs Land Rover video, I love these "race styled" formats. Please keep'em coming.
Man, that Disco has like no down-travel when it’s raised.
Lol that’s how you get stuck in ruts
That is the result of using lift rods. The jack the suspension too high in off-road height and it kills articulation. People do it to use bigger tires but in most cases you can get more traction with the stock size and the suspension working as it should.
Because of you guys, I'm nearing a purchase of an LR3, but I would love to see an update video on the xterra. Maybe some kind of versus? Anyone else agree?
That LR3 looks beautiful
I haven't known many unibodies that you can lift the body off of... just saying. The LR3 is not unibody, at all. It has a full frame.The body comes completely off it.
So, senior wants to show how new lr is capable in offroad and then cut all the cornes to take easiest way. So, this speaks volumes how new one is "capable"
Fun video!! What size tires are on the LR3?
loving the old lr3...i think the price does for me...with extra custom upgrades it will kill it offroad!
Given a choice I would take the yellow Defender over the new model because I want a proper offroader, I still have my Defender 90" Td5, fitted with ARB front and rear difflocks and an Ashcroft underdrive and a set of Firestone 750/16 Super All Traction tyres it would outperform the new Defender offroad but on the highway it would be second best to the new version.
There actually a 400lbs weight difference not 2000lbs (curb weight, with the disco being 400lbs heavier)
And the better comparison is a UK disco and defender, the disco with a 2.7 tdv6 and a d250 or d200 defender as both have a closely similar horsepower
Just started watching your channel and loving the vids
I know its new and expensive car, but I just watched an old, beat, Subaru Outback with no fancy tires, no lift, no fancy diffs or traction control, and a manual transmission do *way* WAY more difficult tracks than the Defender just did. A dang minivan could do that stuff.
I am happy to see the new defender going offroad, its just a shame one always has to be extra careful with dealer cars because i would have liked to see that defender with some nice AT tyres taken to the limits. Great video none the less, keep it up 😁
So true. We were supposed to go to the UK to test it but then 2020 happened.
The name “Freelander” would have been so much better suited in the name’s current availability & testing the market’s waters for the vehicles market & audience.
This race platform makes for great reviews! Has a real TopGear feel.
Thanks, that's what we are going for!
The Fast Lane Car Keep up the great work!!!
Ohh yeah!!!💪💪💪.. i was waiting for this... U guys are great ... Love from india❤️
Hello Soheil from the US.
@@rondail5675 heyy!!👋
What i would prefer to see is not a race but a test of traction between both like they used to on that one obstacle on Gold Mine Hill. I just remember its where they failed to get the Outback up it, although that could partly be the CVT's fault. But yeah put both Land Rovers in no traction, off camber, suspended wheels, from a stop try to get up the tough bits and see who does better. Maybe they're trying a new format that is more entertaining?
Thats more what i would like to see, a better off road ability test than a race where your route has easier choices.
If you have to race, a better way is to time each. That could tell us that one vehicle is more efficient at off road travel which is also important in the wilderness where all there is dirt roads and jeep trails. Range could also be a good test. Which Land Rover can travel the same route off road the furthest?