Watch Out Jeep Wrangler...This Lifted Defender On 35s Is Coming To Eat Your Lunch!
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In this video, Roman compares our new stock Land Rover Defender to a built new model on 35-inch tires. Here's how they stack up, and whether the Jeep Wrangler should watch its back!
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@@TFLoffroad Exhaust note much better on the lifted Defender, one thing l never see mentioned when putting on taller tires is recalibrating the speedo or changing gear ratios, on our old Series Land Rovers and 90" Defenders, when changing from 600x16"/205x16" tires to 750x16" tires we had to change the speedo drive so that the speedo read correctly.
4Runner and land cruiser all day
At $105k title should be “2 wranglers beware!”
Unless it's a $77k 392 Wrangler lol
@@06RedfireGT With a 77k 392, I can throw another 30k at it and I wouldn't need to beware.
Exactly, this is a joke
Right ! I’ll see your $105k defender and raise you my $55k JLUR with a Mopar lift on 37s ... Why does this channel constantly try to compare vehicles to the wrangler that don’t match up?!?
I believe I'm hearing some lisping.
Did he just say they had to relocate the cooler to put on 35s?..... Yeah that's going to be a no for me dog
Yeah, that’s ridiculous.
Coolers stuffed up in the corner of the front wheel arch behind the bumper, it’s great for collecting mud , and getting trashed on rocks 🤓
Yeah when you can get a bronco or jeep and just put them on stock for a fraction of the price
This is what the Defender should have been from day one.
Loved his blank stare when you said all air suspensions fail.
Yeah. And then he thought a bit and said springs sag🤣
@@sourabhpurohit4140 what did he mean by springs sag?
@@rifqiyudhon313 He means that everyone who loves to drag Land Rovers for their air suspensions failing has probably spent thousands replacing the springs in their Toyotas, Jeeps, etc.
@@rl9810 sagging springs won’t surprise you in the middle of a trail when they fail. They also won’t leave you stranded in the middle of nowhere. I’m not knocking his rig though. It all depends on what trade offs you’re willing to make. I love my Jeep jk...however, it’s slow, can’t tow, and can’t haul as much as the defender...but I wouldn’t trade it for anything.
@@rl9810 Thousands 😂 ...Try $400 for a set of OME lift springs in 3 different options depending on your load.
Anyone looking at Prince Philippe’s Land Rover Defender while watching this? Such a beautiful one!!!
Me too. Gone are the days when you could build a Defender into anything.
I'll take the Prince's land rover any day over this
I didn't realise that they built two identical Land Rover's Funeral Cars for Prince Phillip. A spare just in case....
@mvubu1234 I still prefer them over Land cruisers despite their mechanical and electrical shortcomings because they have character and soul.
@mvubu1234
great choice V8 and V6 engines are usually smooth and durable.
This is a MAJOR improvement. It actually looks like a defender should with the performance to match.
Wonder why LR did not enter the market with vendor/builder support to show that it's still a defender.
I feel like they lost many buyers with the media only showing stock options
You guys make it sound like the defender isn’t capable and it boggles my mind. They have pitted the defender against wranglers, modified 4-runner, FJ cruiser and it has matched every single one of them. The defender has conquered everything that they threw at it. Face the facts, the defender is capable. I don’t know why the haters want to spew lies.
@@hondah22a2 What lies? Of course it's capable. But how long before it leaves you stuck from failing complex systems that can't be fixed in the field? Along with the high up front price compared to anything else besides a Gwagon. THAT's why the haters are hating. Like any other LR, it'll be worth it when it's $5K in the used market and you can rip all the crap out and make it reliable with basic mechanical parts.
@@wjsj69you’re just grasping at straws now. When you buy a defender and update us on reliability then you will have some credibility.
@@hondah22a2 uuuhh, didn't TFL already prove the reliability issue for us? Lol the only ones lying to themselves are you folks who are defending the LR lol
My Defender arrived this week - took it off road 1st day! Love it. Love my 2017 Jeep on 35s too. Each vehicle so different than the other.
I finally got to see one close up a week ago and holy cow its a big suv. With the lift and tires that thing must be massive. This is really cool to see
the sincerity that you bring to your channel is so refreshing, nice job
Looks great, footage of the vehicle in action is impressive. $100k for an off-roader is pure insanity.
Most suvs are headed for $100k price tag due to rising inflation. Get ready for sticker shock everywhere...
@@TexasBroskiActual Not true Broski
@@user-gx2bs1vq7w the sky is not falling. The economy crashes every 10 years or so. It will crash, then it will come back then it will crash then it will come back on and on and on till the end of time
@@user-gx2bs1vq7w are you from the past? That bull was said after 2008. Then again in 2013. What is your degree in? Economics, Finance, or do you have your CFA, CIMA? Let the adults handle the fiscal policy conversation.
@@nycmaverick Very true. You must be a clueless sheep who voted for dementia Joe and has no idea how the economy works. Keep enjoying the free hush money for the peasants while it lasts. “The Great Reset” is upon us...
This thing is super awesome. Lifted new Defender 90 and a Bronco Black Diamond for me. Perfect combo.
You know it's bad when a Jeep owner roasts you about relaibility.
Great comment😂😂😂
I owned a Land Rover for a year. By far the worst vehicle I have ever had, that thing broke down every 3 weeks. I own an 06' TJ Rubicon currently, Jeep #5 for me, the only thing that went bad on it so far was the radiator and the water pump.
@@johnsmith-em2wp am a Masochist so I still love the disco2 Landy
@@bonda_racing3579 lol! They are pretty nice vehicles when they are running. I just love the jeep cuz when you open the hood you can actually see a ton of pavement through the engine bay, and they are easy to work on with tons of parts that do not cost you an arm and a leg. I just wrecked my Triumph Tiger 800, and good lord a front wheel is not cheap by any means lol.
Roman: air suspensions fail.
LR guy: 😡
Hmm I say.. He should of gotten a 4runner
So what? No big deal.
The benefits massively outweigh the negatives. Those who hanker for the middle ages mat disagree
Regular suspension fails.
@@peopleschamp7258 Stop dude, just stop... 🤦
@@miyahtallulah 🤣
it is good to see that people have started to mod the new Defender already, that one does look amazing
🙌🏽
Looks so much better. Come in JLR, do a hard core version like this.
Someone needs to do a solid axle swap
We think they will SVX, but we can help anyway
"Defender" is an appropriate name for a vehicle constantly defending its reputation.
True except defender was never really capable. Maybe back in the days it was
@@timothyj.2937 if you can keep it running
@@dandaniels4558 the very fact you thought you needed to say "make them equal" sort of proves the opposite point. It's like saying, make a Kia Sorento equal and it will do better. Anything with solid axles will beat a truck with independent suspension all the way around off road.... that's just fact.
@@dandaniels4558 did you not just see the latest episodes of TFL studios where they compare the bronco, Jeep, and defender? The off road package had 20 inch wheels and shitty road tires. Old land rovers are cool because old Land Rover was cool. Now it’s no better than your average Kia off-road. Not to mention they are worse at being reliable than the current Jeep Wrangler and even that’s shitty.
The defender is incredibly capable... It really doesn't defend it's reputation when it comes ro durability
It's a beautiful truck with a good off road reputation. Where it's lacking is its reliability, which is very important to me. It's still an awesome competitor for the Jeeps and new Bronco. Competition amongst manufactures is great for consumers.
Reputation is like sales numbers... It doesn't tell you if vehicle will be good to you or not... high selling F150s has still issues, good reputation 4runners have forums discussing problems before 60k miles while bad reputation Wrangles attending crazy road trips with offroad events. TFL's Defender problems might not gonna be experienced nowhere else, but everyone has something happening on some vehicles
@@tallll70 totally agree; LR sold close to 70 K units of the new defender first 12 months leading up to JAN 2021. The ONE bad TFL Defender is totally blown out of proportions..
Wouldn’t a Defender EV be more reliable? I’m looking forward to that one.
The new Defender is *almost* perfect, it only needs solid axles, body on frame construction, and boxy styling!
And decent reliability!
@@erichdiebenow4727 I wouldn't mind the reliability if it was as simple as the old one.
Lol...a jeep?
Ineos Grenadier
@@simonfrench9163 haha yeah
Great video TFL, glad we could help with the subframe lift Steve 👌🏽 Looks fantastic 🦾
Now how about some long arms so we can gain a little suspension travel? While your at it, maybe some gearing options for us crawler types (still have these problems with my mod'ed LR3 on 34s)
Do you guys think its possible to make a solid axle swap for the defender?
@@MichaelMiller-rg6or Possible, yes. Anything is possible with enough money and willpower. But will a kit ever be developed? I give it about the same chances I have of winning the lottery - and I don't buy any lottery tickets. It's really just not feasible.
Bummer :(
@@donhappel9566 regearing is possible allready, get intouch, long arms will come in time 👌🏽
I would love to see more content on those difficult trails in Colorado.
The guy's face when Roman says 'air suspension eventually fail' and he comes back with "well springs sag" 🤦🤦 typical LR owner's drinking the koolaid
G-WAGONs use air too.
Planes use jet engines! They fail too.
I'm sure he meant when towing a trailer, coil springs sag. Air suspension self levels.
Shocks/struts don’t last nearly as long as air bags. Simple fact...
Def was not talking about towing. Did you even watch the video? There is zero context to support your claim.
@@TexasBroskiActual That is not a simple fact. I own a gx470 that uses rear air bag suspension and those went out before any of my shocks
He got very defensive when you brought up a good point about air suspension eventually failing; “Springs sag” lol. Good job Roman that was awesome
That Muffler delete makes it sound sooooo much better. You guys need to do that and an upgraded air filter on your Defender
Always Enjoy your vids from down under. Steve 🇦🇺
Can you test it on the Rubicon?? That would be interesting to see...
Dudes!!!!! About time for some Land Rover vids. Miss the discovery 2 so much.
Yeah, they should take a few of these tips for the blue one!
Does it come with factory check-engine light on?
Has been eliminated
Still more reliable than 99% of American cars.
@@razorwireclouds5708 lol, no.
Looks friggin awesome🚀
So essentially it does not lend itself well to lifting.
lol yeah just stick some pucks under the air springs and then use these rods to trick the computer into thinking nothing has changed... totally legit lmao
The new defender looks so much better when lifted
True of pretty much all Rovers!
I agree. The one without it looks weird sitting beside the lifted one
Yup
The new defender looks a lot better when it's the old defender! The new defender looks fantastic as the the new discovery
@@chubbymunster57 After you own or drive one, you will say real defender 😏😎
Land Rover should invest in improvements that their customers really need, like better recovery points.
They should invest in reliability
My defender has stock recovery points and they are great. Order the right car
@@Douganchesner well then, how about they invest in upscale waiting rooms at their dealerships since you will be there often.
@@misadventuresoferic Facts!
The recovery points are fantastic on the new defender, top gear hung the new defenders of them 🤣
Wrangler better watch out - the flatbed needed to bring the Defender back to the dealer might get stuck and block the trail. I do love the content though.
And one day, in the near future, it will "refuse to proceed".
zzzzzz
nice mythical prophecy...
Statement of reality, seen the world over.
Now that's rock crawler! It was never fair comparing the prior Defender to the Bronco or Wrangler because it didn't have the wheels are set up they had. Now this Defender can compete!
Looks very nice. Even stock this is a very capable off road beast. In other parts of the world these things are still top dog.
Why do Jeep people have a hard time giving due respect to other brands?
Cause for the price it's trash
Snobs exist in every hobby, unfortunately.
The main question is how the electronics work after this lift and tyre upgrade. How the for example water sensors work are they show correct level etc?
lol no they absolutely will not... in order for this contraption to work, the homemade 'lift kit' needs to trick the computer, so the water sensors and wade control etc will all be out of whack.
Wondered if they figured out how to mount the front winch?
@@michelt4390 hahaha yeah you know you have a real off-roader when mounting a winch is so difficult that an authorized dealership can't even do it without accidentally cutting the main harness and totaling the truck
You can just feel the tension. 🤣
At least with the lift on it, access for mechanic to get under to fix it will be easier 😁
Land Rover Service Advisor: "We don't know what's wrong but it will cost you $3,000" Go have a latte in the showroom...
That one will look darn good sitting in the service bay at the dealership!
Zero wheel articulation. This thing has good approach/departure angles but that's about it
Thats what I say, lifting wheels going over tiny rocks. I bet if you went over a speed bump or a curb diagonally it wpuld lift a wheel. Until they come out with a decent lift for these that has at least decent articulation im not interested. I dont want to spend most of my time on the trail with a wheel in the air.
I think the TFL content is great. The defender looks awesome. But did he say they had to trim fenders, relocate coolers, and put smaller brakes on it? This makes so much sense!!
But is it coming for the 392 Wrangler i can buy for that price?!? I dont think so.
We have both a 392 and Big Bertha... two totally different vehicles each excelling in certain areas and for different reasons.
Looks really cool
Did the defender eat Jeep's lunch while waiting for the tow truck? 😆🤣
That’s pretty much the next new defender also as a reaction against the Bronco. They could really have done all that the first time round. They were told.
i think wranglers are fine. a defender with a body lift on 35s going offroad will probably do the same as a stock cherokee from the late 90s. if i remember right my cherokee cost a grand total of 19,000 including the purchase of the vehicle. if youre gonna spend more than $75,000 on an offroader. get a power wagon.
That’s a beautiful vehicle. It’s got me wondering if there was any issues hanging a larger tire on the back? As a Jeep Wrangler driver, changing my hanger out was an absolute must after going to 35’s.
NO Issues... going to stuff 37's under our next build.
That is one sweet and tough rig . The finished product and out great .
More of a storm trooper instead of vader, but it just wouldn't roll off the tongue as easy. Lol. Cool build.
Sounds good!
2021 Bronco Badlands, SAS, 2.7l, 10 spd, MIC, Lux at @ 63k (including tax and licensing) seems like a good bargain and it comes with 35's and you don't have to worry about the sunroof flying off going down the freeway (and a $10k dealer charge to fix).
How do all the electronic gizmos work now that you’ve altered the design?
Someone that realizes you need more sidewall off-road. Most people don't seem to get it and always go with more rim and less tire for the mall crawler package. That thing will never go where a Wrangler will because of lack of articulation from the independent front and rear suspension. He was hanging a wheel on moderate stuff.
His response on air suspension failure to Roman. "Springs sag" lmao Springs are way cheaper to purchase, find, and install. That air ride system good luck with that.
Very nice looking rig I love the hood decal
@TFLOffroad How does it stack with info, shared from Land Rover itself, that you should not change wheels spec and tire spec in new Defender? It is widely cited in multiple sources.
Very cool build. Time for the Rubicon.
Can you do the video of subframe lift installation process?
check new defender mods on ig they have some pics
Maybe I'm misunderstanding but didn't that lift just give it more room in the fenders for the bigger wheels & tires? The "puck" on the subframe keeps the axles and control arms (the lowest points) exactly where they were, right? The only ground clearance improvement was 1-2 inches by the wider wheel diameter, right?
How did you remove the 2nd baffle? Is that nee part or just removed part of the original ?
For people looking for his YT channel its CO TRAILS
Cool looking rig , the defender does have a awesome 4x4 system but with all that tire lifting it needs it , very little wheel travel for the amount of work done to it .
Lifting a Defender is like putting a spiked collar on a goldendoodle
Today's Defenders are far away from the old school Defenders. It used to be simple, tough and rugged. Everyone knows electronics fail off-road.
Sadly Rover has given up any semblance of building a basic simple, tough vehicle in favor of what is basically just a somewhat more capable re-body of the existing platform. I know why they did it - more market for this and more profit margin, but it's still a loss.
@@donhappel9566 If they had created something like the Bronco or Jeep, they could have sold many more. We (Americans) love anything that would take us out in the wild and off-road vehicles are perfect for our weekend adventures. I mean take a look at the wild amount of Broncos that have been pre-ordered. I had a Disco 2, and it was a total offroad beast until random parts started breaking down.
For all the years I have been off-roading, I've never seen a R R in the woods or in the desert. I have seen them in downtown Boston and Scottsdale.
Great looking Rig!.
Is there any way to get on a list or notification group for when he puts its up for sale. I guess if not would have to just keep an eye on their website
It would be better to build your own. He is planning to abuse it to prove it's a real offroad vehicle in videos. That means the components will have been beat up already.
Very informative
Please put this head to head with a stock xj on 31’s and 250k miles.
I would like to see if someone added a winch on their Defender. Although Defender Vader is a sick looking vehicle, and waiting for the new v8 next year.
Yes, Lucky8 has a winch available as does the factory. Others as well I belive.
@@donhappel9566 cool!
@@underthelibertytree712 it's not easy, but doable. But we are also talking about a hidden winch. When a HD bumper is produced, it will be much quicker.
@@underthelibertytree712 I have heard that JLR is focusing on its niche offroading products, rather then encourage outside players. I would say they are entering into this grey area.
Land Rover CV joints are the weak link for big/heavy tires. I notice the LR3 traction control kills power in tough traction situation probably to protect C/Vs. Lockers can help preserve the C/Vs too. Traction control is great, but works by the engine and brakes are fighting each other with the CVs in between the two.
Question: Are the suspension and drivetrain parts still covered under warranty if you actually take it off-road like it is now "meant" to do?
I know other people with Jeeps who have warranty denied due to lift and tires similar to this one.
The subframe lift keeps the main suspension components in stock geo, so much less chance of warranty issues.
Love your content! But I’ll never get down with a Land Rover. Too fragile, too expensive, too unreliable. I’d rather have a square body that leaks oil.
I bought a 90 last month that is the same color as this one but I am having major issues with its software and how it’s managing the idling and A/C. It’s been at the service department twice. It’s currently there, actually. They don’t seem to know how to fix it. It’s such a shame because it should be an amazing vehicle but it is not proving to be reliable enough, which a vehicle that is almost $70k should be.
I LOVE this new Defender but with the reliability in question, I'd rather go with a Jeep not to mention cheaper and cooler looking. You just can't beat the Jeep's aftermarket support.
Unless it's a long arm kit the independent front/rear suspension will always struggle to keep all four planted and working.
If they want to make it truly capable they should redesign those lower rear control arms, they are ridiculously bulky and hang way lower than they need to. Even lifted like this one is I can promise you it will high centre in the snow easily.
I think this is a great build for the Defender and ... I interrupt this comment to let you know there is a sweet BadLands winch for sale on TFL Bids w/no reserve...it comes with a 1978 Land Cruiser... makes it an impressive rig. :-)
If value for money and reliability is important to you then these two vehicles shouldn't be compared. One is a proven off road weapon, the other is a 100k+ mall crawler with a tendency to randomly fail, they're not even in the same class!
It does look cool as hell! I really like this but how many places would know how to do this. Does a random Land Rover dealer have the capability to do this? I'd also like to know what the upkeep cost is. Springs do sag but I can change my Wrangler springs in the driveway. If I didn't want to change them myself most auto-shops could do it with no issues. Not sure that is true for a heavily modded Defender. Hopefully as the Defender ages more aftermarket products will be more common and easier to work on.
New wishlist item: 2 dr V8 w/ 37s (Satin Black wrap) .... the real Vader Defender :)
Another great video, love the defender on 35’s. Can anyone point me in the direction of the full vid of this beast off road? I’m sure it must be on RUclips somewhere 😅
CO Trails... we just uploaded Poison Spider in Moab
In the UK the speed limit is 70 mph. How would this drive at those speeds (on the way to an offroad track)? Thanks.
The new Defenders are EXCELLENT off road, that has been proven. However... never go alone, never go where there is no cell service, and never go without someone else in another vehicle to go to town for tools, parts and food.
Very Cool !!!
Sooooooo...where’s the winch? You know that muffler delete is going to throw a check engine light from reduced back pressure.
I see they spelled DUMPSTER wrong on the hood. The skid plates will come in handy when it’s pulled up onto the flatbed of the tow truck.
I currently own Land Rover lr3 and a Wrangler LJ. Overall I would say that the air suspension is a problem, one thing they never mention is the ride quality gets very rigid when the airbags are fully extended, I had to replace multiple components eventually went with a spring replacement kit. Aside from that the vehicle is actually very reliable at this point and has tremendous capabilities built in including downhill descent multiple traction modes the ride quality on and off-road is superb. I know we're talking about a new defender here but I think Land Rover gets a bad rap in a lot of cases.
My LJ is modified with a locker in the rear 33 inch tires some rock sliders winch bumper tire carrier and a small lift kit. Very capable off-road but feels like you're driving a buggy after being in the Land Rover for a while.
Agree, but the design of the defender is to use the offroad height less. This smooths things until you need it. You are running close to 9 inches in normal height.
What and where is the company in Australia that helped with the sub frame lift? Will these moderfactoons void the LR warranty?
@newdefendermods
This looks awesome. Not my cup of tea, but looks good.
Airsuspion fails...LR dude "Springs sag". Yeah, but springs don't cost 5k to replace. Lol.
I would never buy an LR. But this thing has been built for off-road.
Very cool!
I actually really like this, though for the money invested I could think of better options. I would have a hard time not buying a 392 Wrangler, LOL I think this will be great for overlanding type purposes, and I bet it drives super nice.
I think my favorite thing about it is how he blacked out the greenhouse, that body color panel on the c-pillar on the stock models really kills it for me. It actually has more of a original Defender look without that.
Overlanding is all about reliability, something modern Land Rovers aren't known well for. Try and put something as simple as a Winch on a modern 'Defender'.
You realise it's the older early two thousand range rovers that were the least reliable, they earned the brand the unreliable narrative
@@afkorey2151 agreed!
@@djmaxwell1325 yes, because TFL has had nothing but good luck with their new Defenders. Their 2 old ones were more reliable!
We own a 392 Rubicon as well... two very different animals. We love each for different reasons.
has the 4 way flasher button the defender wore out yet?
I WONDER WHAT THE PROBLEM WAS WITH THE 4 CYLINDER ENGINE OF THE FIRST DEFENDER.
DID THEY EVER TELL?
Have him try to follow Lite Brite down some trails then we'll talk.
Sounds pretty good 🔥😳
Louder, but I don't think it's "good". Too unrefined for a Rover. I tried running my LR3 w/o the rear mufflers and just turndowns after the center muffler. I know others liked it but I found it just sounded like an old car plus it droned on the highway. Ended up putting rear mufflers back on it.
@@donhappel9566 sounds amazing, we have this mod, best thing we ever did to the new def, sounds great on the freeway too
It does look awesome
Great way to spend 110k+ just to be as good as a wrangler.
Even the Bronco is going to embarrass this... LOL. A Bronco Wildtrak is half the price and really show me the benefit of the Defender... what do I get at twice the price?!?
@@mpeugeot you can’t compare a heavily modified vehicle to a stock one. Stock for stock the defender will be a much nicer vehicle compared to the Ford. That’s why it costs more. Bronco wildtrak 4dr starts at 50k. Not exactly cheap. It’s good to have choice though, so everyone can get what they want/can afford.
@@gs98999 I can afford a lot of upgrades for $50k, even if it is still a Ford. Here's my point, I know from a luxury (and even status perspective) that the Rover should be nicer than the Ford, but even stock, I find it hard to believe that the stock Rover is $40k nicer than the stock Bronco Wildtrak will be.
The stock Rover might drive nicer on the road than the Wildtrak (which is why I didn't order the Wildtrak), but they are as you note, not exactly aimed at the same segment in a stock configuration. However, I think I can make a better comparison.
The Bronco Outer Banks 2.7 with the advanced 4x4, 4.27 limited slip rear diff, and lux package may be a better (more fair) comparison to the stock Land Rover Defender P400e. This is without the sasquatch package.
Some pros for the Rover is that it should have a nicer interior (especially in leather vs leather), soft close doors, better adjustable seats, marginally better clearance, and a more powerful engine than the Bronco.
Some cons for the Rover is that it's heavier, has less headroom, has less legroom in the front seats, only an 8 speed transmission compared to the 10 speed in the Bronco, fewer roof options, less modularity, the approach and departure angles off-road are not nearly as good as the Bronco, while there is an available locking rear differential will cost more than the Bronco, it has a smaller 10" infotainment screen vs the 12" in the Bronco, and finally, it seems likely that it will even be slower than the 2.7 Ecoboost Bronco due to the weight.
So maybe I am missing something, but I don't see $40-50k of added value in the Rover.
@@mpeugeot the LR comes with an 11.4" touchscreen now
@@djmaxwell1325 well that's kinda cool, they needed to update it. I actually like the Land Rover generally, but I wish there was more value there. In some ways, you could say the same thing about Ferrari, not always is the value there, but at the end of the day - a Corvette isn't a Ferrari and a Bronco isn't a Land Rover.
That thing looks like a beast