To be honest, I have drove every truck imaginable and the XLT is honestly tame in price compared to chevys or GMC’s. His was only that expensive because he got the heritage edition, the glossy black rims, the moon roof and a few other features probably. My f-150 matches the one in the video (even looks better interior wise imo (tan interior with different style seats)), minus some of the pointless features like the “heritage edition” and it was $61k. A brand new big horn (which is the same weight class in terms of features as the xlt) is 60k. A platinum f-150 is (you guessed it) 84k and the limiteds are typically the same price point. I should add that bighorns can also have features stacked on to take them up to the 70k mark.
I got my 2020 ram used about 2 years ago. It’s a bighorn level 2 package so it has heated seats ,heated steering,tow package ,sensors in the tail lights and upgraded 10 speaker sound system. It’s a beautiful truck and drives amazing. Ford and Chevy couldn’t compare for the price I paid.
I moved over from Ford to Ram and couldn't be happier. I got a great deal and the Ram sales guy even let me take it to a Ford dealership 40 miles away to compare the two vehicles side by side. When I returned the Ram, I found myself not wanting to get out which speaks to the much superior ride of the Ram (which I don't believe was discussed?) So for 10k more your'e' getting the best interior in the market, and one hell of a smooth ride. That 8-speed tranny is so smooth and the HEMI noise that big V-8 produces beats the snot out of a twin turbo V-6. All that for me, is what makes the Ram worth it. I was a bit shocked the XLT came in @ 68K.
Right. The dude that made the video was clearly biased towards the ford. I personally had both trucks and was terrible disappointed with my 2020 F150 especially after i rear ended a car at 15 mph and totaled my truck.
i agree, im in Australia and I just got a Ram 1500 limited. In my opinion, I think its the nicest, most comfortable and best put-together out of all the utes.
Interesting comparison. Every time I see the new pricing on these trucks I feel fortunate buying a new truck in 2020 for 36k after discounts and rebates. Though I do think in the not too distant future you’ll start to see substantial rebates and incentives as demand slows and supply increases. Either way I’m keeping my 2020 for a minimum of 10 years. I don’t think I could handle writing a check for 60k plus for a truck without feeling ill.
You wont see those rebates. Manufacturers became smart and cut down on production creating supply and demand. Instead of making 20k units they’ll only make 8k units
@@Invictus_Veteran oh I think you will. I’m in the marine industry and boat manufacturers are starting to see a real slow down in demand and incentives are starting to show up. I don’t see the auto industry being much different. And as you can see from the Canadian viewer he’s already seeing significant ones in Canada
@@Invictus_Veteran they make money per unit, and if they don't sell to a customer another manufacturer will. They're incentivized to sell more products not less.. that's how competition works. Time to take off the tinfoil hat..
Just bought a 21’ XLT crew cab long bed 5.0 V8 for $47,927 with under 8k miles on it. Not a bad deal and absolutely could not be happier. Loving my Ford
It's crazy how much truck prices have went up in the last year or two. I would like to see sales drop significantly and see how the manufacturers react, but it seems like no matter how high prices go, people still buy them.
Because it's the value, you really think these things are cheap ? Tell me what other vehicle can tow and haul and have the gas mileage and also this level of quality and also be capable of going on a mild off road area without any issue ? A Lambo certainly can't compare to any of this yet they cost half a million. People complain about these trucks prices but are totally fine with those cars costing a fortune, it makes no sense at all.
they'll come back down, my local Ford dealer is sending me $8 below MSRP for a new truck as they are trying to get me to trade mine in. They are out of luck I'm driving the wheels off it.
Great job reviewing two different trucks with two totally different packages. Problem is, if you take a RAM Big Horn/Lone Star which is more comparable to the Ford XLT and spec it to the Ford you had, the Ram was about $8k less than the Ford. On the other hand, if you go up to a Ford Lariat, which is more comparable to a Ram Limited, the Ford is about $6k more than the RAM. Not saying anything about these trucks, as both are very capable, it's just not an apples to apples comparison.
These prices are just crazy. I thought they were insane a few years ago when I bought my 2021 Tremor. Just built one online for comparison- over $10k increase for the same truck…. except you actually get less now with deleted options due to chip shortages. The industry has to change or face collapse imo, there just aren’t enough buyers who can afford (or are just stupid enough) to pay these prices.
I have an 11 f150 fx4 and I refuse to upgrade until prices drop. When it comes time I’ll probably just buy something a few years newer. These prices are insane.
I absolutely love the automated steps. First of all they come down lower than the fixed running board steps. Helps a lot with older arthritic knees. And the transmission dial frees up a lot of room.
Just can’t believe on how much that xlt cost without leather seats, premium audio system and such premium stuff. Like you said, it comes down to options. I got a big horn back country…. With pano sunroof, 12” screen and rambox…but gave up some technology features and led headlights. So it’s true… the package is the costliest part. Just don’t know who can afford a $60-$70k truck now.
I much prefer the knob shifter over the Ford. I've had the Ford and currently have the ram. Loved both trucks but the knob frees up a lot of space in the center console and is much more practical. If Ford had done something similar, they wouldn't have had to implement a retracting shifter to make room for a center console that converts into a table top.
I still can't believe the prices for "these" trucks. I bought a F-250 power stroke in 2020 for -$7000 MSRP Lariat sport (no tremor) and then tricked it out myself with a 3 inch lift/level kit, wheels, and 37" tires for around $4000. $76000 all in on a truck that can literally tow a house or get 18 MPG easily on the freeway. Crazy times. As always good to see Nathan on the screen!
Did you delete the D E F and the other stuff that shall remain unnamed? I’m buying a new F350 but I am concerned about the reliability/longevity with all the emissions crap.
Hey Nathan, I heard you state that ford was charging $995 for auto stop start which sounded crazy for a second. After pausing on the window sticker I noticed that the 2.0 kw inverter was right above the stop start feature. I believe you mixed those ups, why would any one option stop start for $1,000, if not was was the price of the inverter😂, loved the video, just wanted to confirm.
I just bought a used ‘18 Ram 1500 Big Horn w/ 29,000 miles for MUCH less than either of these. For what I spent and the options you get with the Big Horn, I think the Ram is the best value for the money!
Great video, although I have a hard time comparing an XLT to a limited. Would have been nice to see Fords limited vs Ram Limited. In canada, I've been quoted 80K CAD for the ram limited night edition but 102k CAD for the F150 Limited (non powerboost). The ford is way nicer but man the price difference is insane!
Darn! Those are expensive!! My 2022 Silverado LT Duramax was $61k last year and I thought that was bad. I still got the max towing 5th wheel package and level 1 convenience package with heated seats and steering wheel, bed liner, remote start, power seat, and whatever else it came with. It’s basically everything that you could ever want in a truck and then some, but doesn’t have all that BS crap that jacks up the price. Personally, I wouldn’t want either of those engines anyways..
I like the Ford XL trim for the standard rubber floor. The single cab, 6.5 ft.bed, 4x4 V8 with aluminum wheels, a locker and a few other things was $44,355. That’s not a bad price for a good truck.
I got a ‘22 stx for a little less than that with the crew cab and the 5.0. I definitely agree with you. Btw rubber floors are amazing. So easy to clean in surprised it’s not standard in vehicles. Carpet in something that consistently gets muddy/wet makes no sense
I just bought a new ram classic with the hemi for 37k. I don’t care that it’s missing brand new technology. It’s a new truck that will tow my trailer. All these new trucks are for rich people that don’t use it as a truck. Wish ford and Chevy would offer something similar. I like the style of the ram classic and everyone loves a v8
Got a newer F150 XLT Crew Cab with 5.0L V8 and every option checked for under $50k. Couldn't be happier. I do plan on upgrading the cloth seat to Katzkin leather, which cost between $1,500-$2,000 depending on materials/style. Still better than buying a higher trim F150 that comes with leather seats.
The fact that active safety tech (adaptive radar cruise, lane keep/tracing systems, etc.) that comes standard on a work truck spec, SR model Tundra costs EXTRA on both of these trucks is nuts.
@Silverback_GMT410 that statement would apply to both the F-150 (Raptor) & Ram 1500 (Limited 4x4) as well. Odd that you wouldn't take six seconds to Google that one before posting. Good work.
@@sawyermartin4434 bruh the Raptor has off road suspension with 14 inches of travel a wider body and usually has all the options available which weigh you down and can still haul 1400 lbs. the Toyota has no excuses.
@@sawyermartin4434 there is obviously something that the Ford and Ram are offering that the Toyota is not. Nothing against the Tundra, mind you. Whether it’s quality craftsmanship, fit and finish, standard equipment and options, I don’t know off the top of my head. As far as your argument for the Raptor having a poor payload rating…smh. It’s a purpose-built vehicle designed for extreme high speed off-roading that just happens to have a bed on it. You cannot go 80-100 mph in the desert with a conventional pickup suspension that’s designed for payload and towing.
I would love to see the total number of Trucks that are written off or depreciated for "Business's" as long as people continue to pay these prices they will never go down
Love your presentation style Nathan. Cool, calm, collected, it is like you are talking to a friendly neighbor or making an in-person presentation. Great job. The focus on accurate information and the best comparison you could do with (presumably) the two trucks available for the video shoot was a breath of fresh air compared to many TFL Offroad and Truck videos I have seen. Before I get flamed for saying that, I do enjoy the TFL videos. But sometimes they seem to go off on tangents that appear not to be well supported, presumably designed to get clicks and I would enjoy them more if they stayed "in their lane" - like you did here.
I just got a Nissian Titian gasoline pro 4x. (2020) Nice ride! I got it for 41000$ OTD with 12k miles. Truck prices are ridiculous. It’s also my first truck and I’m in love !
I have a 2023 Ram Laramie with the sport package and a few other. Love the truck. It is metallic grey just like the one in this video. I shopped around before I got the Ram. Could not be happier with my Laramie.
I know you say you don’t see the difference of 10k in the interior. But just adding in the options or upping the trim levels in a ford gets you way way over the rams price. Leather, cooled seats in both rows, upgraded stereo, rear view mirror camera etc. just adding those in to an xlt would make it equal in price. Add in the auto running boards , 22in wheels etc. and you’d easily eclipse 78. A ford limited trim starts at 84k. And when you option it similarly (doesn’t have many to choose from) you’re now at 89k. Neither truck is cheap. But the Rams value is still there. I shopped all the big 3 and got my 1500 limited with some specific options. - color matched bumpers , 3.92 with limited slip, 33 gallon tank. And msrp’d at 67k. With discounts and rebates my out the door was 57k before my trade in. Again a ton for a truck but for that price I’d be in a low spec xlt or xle gm twin. Not with auto boards, air suspension and a luxury interior. Keep up the awesome work, and keep giving Roman hell!
Rather get the 5.0 V8 in the Ford it gets the same MPGs as the Ecoboost and I think it sounds a lot better and is a really smooth and reliable engine that is naturally aspirated don’t got to worry about a turbo
Not sure about reliability. If I am correct, the 5.0 has cylinder deactivation, which has had some issues. If it was the Coyote without the cylinder deactivation, I would agree with you.
It's the HERITAGE EDITION package mate, designed as a tribute to the early F series XLT models, with seat paterns/materials that replicate when cloth seating was ultra lux. Do some damn researh before hand mate. I LOVE this XLT model BECAUSE it has those cloth seats, the cool console cover and the exterior two tone paint. Plus the 20" rimes are plenty big enough !!
The comment on not liking the Rams dial shifter, you completely skipped over its biggest benefit - the MASSIVE console to store a ton of stuff. Once you can used to the dial it’s not a big deal (even for “three point turns”). I for one just see the wasted space now when other trucks use the old shifter (and gimmicky when they “fold” down to provide room for a fold out laptop tray).
Just sitting here watching & enjoying your review on these trucks & started remembering my 1st truck was a 1976 Dodge custom 100 (yes Dodge not Ram) & back then all trucks were tools now even the cheapest is pure luxury compared. And just a few of the options cost more than I paid for the whole truck with a full tank of gas.
The market is super weird. I paid 52k Cad for a 2019 Lariat, low mileage, no accidents in 2021. Just saw a dealer trying to sell an equivalent 2019 Lariat in 2023 for 52k. Makes no sense, hopefully when the refreshed 2024 F150 arrives, things will get more realistic.
The xlt with the 5.0l would have been a better comparison in my opinion. I’m not a fan of anything less than v8 in a full size truck (gas engines). The turbocharged eco boost engines have trouble getting over 100k miles without needing repairs. I bought a 2023 xlt f150, with some different options last month and I love it. I got the 4x4 sport with the 5.0.
The last Ram truck I bought I had for 20 years and paid $23,000 for it with a lot of bells and whistles. So last year I needed to buy a new one. I ended up with a 2022 Rebel, which I love, but the sticker price of $62,000 almost gave me a heart attack and a stroke at the same time! Ended up paying $57,000 but Jeeze Louise, the price of new trucks are insane!!!!!!
Wild. I just bought a leftover 22 XLT with almost all the bells minus the trailer assist and the trailer assist, also a sport for 49 out the door. These things are insanely priced.
When buying my Ram 1500 SLT back in 2014, they did offer a Laramie and stuff, but I chose the SLT based on my budget and chose options that will help me preserve the truck, like the bedliner, tonneau cover, etc.
The XLT would be same level as a Big Horn trim. Limited would be comparable to Platinum. I agree with the insane costs of these things.. The problem is, if you want a certain feature, you have to buy an expensive group of features. Example, in the Ram, if you want the interior to be 1 color and not a tan headliner, you have to spend thousands more to get the Night edition or the Sport edition. It's too bad you didn't go through the features of the Ram.. Heated steering wheel, Heated and Vented front and rear seats with that trim level. Reclining rear seats, etc.. I went with a Laramie trim because that's the lowest trim level I could get seat memory and vented seats. You get used to the dial, and the fact there is no shifter in the center console makes a TON of storage in that center console. Love the Ram I picked up,, but absolutely agree the pricing is getting out of hand.
I ordered a 2023 sport loaded which in the US is a hight than Laramie I have 22" wheels leather heated and vented seats 12" display heated rear seats power everything lane assist running boards etc just no sunroof which I never used in my 2019 ram got it with 5.7 mds etorque for 60k usd and got than to take another 8k off so I am in it taxes in for for less than 50 usd glad I shopped around it took me months of negotiating but glad I got it finally .... looking at these prices it's a no Brainer . I am paying 291 bi weekly usd
I priced out a 302a super crew 6.5 bed with 5.0L and 4wd for $63K. Don’t need max tow and don’t need Fx4 since I’m just looking for a good, all-weather highway cruiser. Just two years ago, that same truck was $53K.
Not really an apple to apple comparison. Seem liked you preferred the Ford from the get go. Should of at least done the Ford xlt vs Ram bighorn. Then you would see how expensive Ford is.
Here in Canada, we see Ram offering good rebates and incentives and even greater on Ram Classic. Ford? MSRP $$$. I didn't want to spend over 40,500$ (CAN) for a PU so I bought a 2021 Ram Classic Express 3.6L (10,000 km) loaded with options & accessories. With Ford for the same price, it would have been a 2019-2020 with more km (40,000 km +) for the same price. 🙂 As I do approx. 10,000 km/year, I should keep it for many years. 🤓
They really should have put a slash between Eco and boost, because as it's been said with turbocharged vehicles, you either get Eco or boost, not both.
I like a nice mid trim level maybe a well optioned big horn or low level laramie. Skip the power running boards, air susptention, sunroof, leather dash. All crap that breaks and will only add to your repair bills and time at the dealer.
$68k for an Xlt makes me wanna vomit. I paid $33k for a loaded 302a 5.0 in 2018 and when it was totaled, I paid $44k for a preowned 2021 loaded Xlt 302a sport (6k miles) 6 months ago… which even $44k is a bit much but the sticker on that was $56k (still too much). Ford is pricing buyers out of their vehicles
As a side note, its funny to think how Ram now has the best transmission on the market now with its ZF 8 speed. Mechanically speaking its the best you can get
Wow my new 2008 F150 XLT 4x4 5.4L Super Crew was only $28k out the door! Trucks are almost unaffordable now! Just like kids, I love my F150 and 2020 BigHorn 4x4 equally, but the smooth ride of the Dodge is pretty sweet!
Most people buy vehicles on monthly payment rather than total vehicle cost. If the dealer can get it in their budget through financing packages, people will buy it. The best way you protect yourself from add-on inflation, is to pay cash or go in with a pre-approved loan from your bank or credit union.
In the last 3 model years (2020-2022) the base price of a XLT with identical options has gone up over $8000 here in Canada - for the same truck! kind of crazy.
I am in canada and just bough a 2923 ram sport it's got heated vented seats leather digital dash 22" wheels but indont use a sunroof and other stuff I don't use and it saves huge without feeling u sacrificed luxury and its way cheaper than the Ford xlt model I got it for 390 bi weekly which is alot but I got alot of truck in comparison to what the others got .... prices are getting crazy everyone I've talked too blames cost of living and taxes here on the current government hopefully with a new one elected things will come down a bit heres to hoping
Bought a 2020 F-150 XLT almost a year ago for $43,000 with 29,000 miles on it. Has the 3.5L ecoboost and FX4 package. Before that I’ve always owned a used base model truck. I built my truck on the Ford website to see what it would be brand new, came out to be $65,000. I honestly don’t see $65,000 worth of options on it. Truck prices are getting out of hand.
I ordered a new 22 xlt 302a here in canada for 65k last year and for that price point I found you got a lot more in a ford than a GM,ram or Toyota. Not to mention the the much better lease and finance rates with ford canada compared to the others
Better comparison would of been the Laramie vs the XLT. Would be interesting to compare what you get for the same trim levels. Up here in Canada we get an exclusive Sport addition which is priced with the XLT but more bang for buck imo. I also prefer the looks of the Ram 💯 more
Seeing these prices makes me happy I went with my bare bones ‘22 stx with the 5.0L for $20k less. Does everything a truck needs to do and has apple car play and looks cool. I can’t see myself paying $20k more for creature comforts. 80k for that ram is insane. I had a ‘21 big horn before my ford and I paid $45k for it. That thing is almost DOUBLE. INSANE!!
You have none of the additional features I don’t think anyone fully fits a Xlt & second a big horn to limited is like comparing a Honda rebel 300 to a Harley, it just doesn’t compare
@@diverse_insightt.o6499 I priced out an xlt with the sport appearance package, 2.7 with tow, and the around view camera and it came out to be $61,000. My truck has the 5.0, tow package, and stx appearance and it was around $42,000. Prices for options are absurd these days because manufacturers know people will spend stupid money for unnecessary things.
@@diverse_insightt.o6499 and to add, I compared the big horn to limited because it is essentially the same truck underneath. I had the etourqe, led lights, sport appearance, 20” wheels, tow package with the auto trailer assist. Basically same truck, minus the leather, gigantic screen, and sunroof. To say the different features from my big horn to the limited in this video is worth almost $40,000 is absolutely bonkers.
@@arekay21 I have a 2019 Big Horn, sticker was 57K and paid 45K. It has plenty of features. You couldn't give me the air suspention, power running boards, sunroof, or even the leather dash that bubbles up after a few years. All will break before 100, probably before 75K.
The f150 auto start/stop is not $995. That was the 2.4kw Pro Power generator. I would get the PowerBoost hybrid engine just for camping with a nice big 7.2kw generator. Can run the air conditioners, microwave and have plenty of electricity left.
For older folks, the power steps are great. They go much lower than the typical fixed step and then tuck away and look much cleaner. Mine have a bypass switch so they can be lowered in a car wash or they can be fixed so they don't automatically lower - great for off-roading. You're not a fan now because you're still young! Also, no mention of Ford's aluminum body panels. My 2018 F150 has only 4 Iowa winters under its belt and I think the aluminum will pay off in body panel longevity. We'll see. The whole "it's not steel so it's weaker" claim may be true if you're tossing engine blocks into the bed. For the vast majority of F150 owners, that's not the case. So far, the aluminum body has proven to be quieter and perfect for my use.
You can get a 36 gallon tank in the F150, that I do know. With the 36 gallon tank and 3.5 Ecoboost in my 20 F150 I regular see a range of 700 plus miles with a full tank.
The big problem with Ram is their packages will have just one option I want or need and I’ll have to get another dozen I either don’t want or don’t want to pay $3k-$5k for.
The Japanese car manufacturers were the first to do this. Offer a b and c in other words base model SR5 Limited and people are still foolish enough to buy them
$60k+ then a dealer might add a market adjustment price of $10k-$20k on top of that. So then they're financing a $60k truck for $70k-$80k and loan terms for 5-8 years at higher interest rates than in the past. It seems like it's hard to find anything new for just the MSRP price. Then when the person decides they want to try and trade it 2-4 years later for financial reasons or just wants something cheaper or newer. The dealer looks at the MSRP for what the vehicle is said to be worth at it's current age and says, well... It's worth $40k, but you still owe $50k-$65k on it. We can't give you what you still owe on it. Then what's a person to do, roll all that extra upsidedown money into another vehicle or just keep it and keep paying for the next 3-5 years.
I just checked my local dealer they are offering $7k off MSRP on all the F150's in their inventory. My own opinion, RAM is dropping the HEMI, whenever a company does that they eventually stop making replacement parts for them, I'd bet within 5 years RAM does that, no matter what the are claiming now. This is especially true for their mild hybrid system. Getting good engine parts from a third party supplier for the engine likely will be possible for quite some time but mild hybrid parts for a low-run part to begin with? forget about it. Also - wheels bigger than 19" don't belong on a 4x4 truck.
What many people don't understand with a lot of upgrades you often spend less when purchasing the more expensive model than purchasing the cheaper one and adding the equipment that is standard on the more luxury model. I used to buy XLT model trucks. The last two trucks I have bought were Lariats that have a higher base price but are cheaper with the options I want than getting those options on an XLT. Sometimes you do have to get more than you think you want with packages but you often like what you get when you get to using them. And hey, what is an extra $10 or even $20 per month. If you find a truck that has been on the lot for over 45 days sometimes, they are discounted as well. At least my trucks were making purchases a truck on the lot with more than you wanted on a truck a better deal than ordering one with less on it and having to wait on it being built. One needs to stay focused though and not go too crazy and live within their means. You don't want the repo man taking away your dream truck.
The ram mirrors can be turned or rotated if u may for towing. It's done manually. I had a 2018 f150 and that thing spent most of its life at the dealership. In 21, I purchased the ram rebel etorque, very loaded. At 700 miles it took a dump. The etorque went out. It spent 3 months at the dealership. They couldn't figure out how to install a new etorque. 2 engineers from ram showed up. In the end, it all worked out. Ram had given me a loner and made 3 payments for me. I had to force ford into a lemon law buyback. Based on my experience, I'll take Rams customer care over ford's on any given day.
I have almost that exact RAM, mine just has the rambox and the barn door tailgate, and it's black. I've had it for a little over a year and it has been fantastic. It's my first truck, and the first truck that my family has had. We love just hopping in and going for a drive, it is very smooth and comfortable. It has become the go to vehicle when we are going out, even more that a 2021 Mercedes SUV that we also have. My three biggest problems are finding parking, the fact that it's a gas guzzler, and the AC is not cold enough. I bought it in early 2022 because I haul a lot of stuff around on a semi regular basis, and I was using my mom's old minivan for a long time. It was time to upgrade and I wanted a truck. I went to see the Tacoma first, but they were pretty expensive and they were not available at the time. I then went to RAM and I instantly fell in love with the 1500 Bighorn. It was a smallish price hike from the Tacoma, but it was tangibly better in every single way. Even though it's more expensive, it is much easier to justify the higher price of the RAM. But then shortages hit HARD and there were no RAMs available at all. Six months passed and the dealership called me and told me there was a Limited available that wasn't already previously sold. It is a huge price hike from the Bighorn to the Limited, and all of the goodies you get are very nice, but also unnecesary. I mean, you don't get any better performance, in fact you lose some payload. Yeah, the screen is nice, but I just play my music when I get in and don't look at it for the rest of the drive. The air suspension is also super smooth, but that thing won't last forever and the repair prices are insane. I personally was really looking forward to getting a Bighorn, but I ended up getting that Limited on the end. I love and enjoy it. My family absolutely loves it. It is just a great truck. I definitely recommend you to go check one out if you are moderately interested in it.
Both of these trucks are more than 60% of my annual salary! Nice but no thanks, I will keep my 16 Colorado Z71. It still looks and runs great and best of all, it’s paid off.
Both prices are painful, but I think I’m more surprised by the price of the ford. Considering it’s an xlt vs the ram being a top trim level. FWIW, I wouldn’t buy either, both overpriced for what I need/want. I almost ordered a ‘23 Lariat super duty with the 7.3, for about the same price as the xlt f150.
That F-150 has a "Heritage Edition" package, hence the two tone paint and other features. But at the end of the day, it's still overpriced for what it offers.
It's a XLT, but has almost every option, which you can go over a base Lariat price, it's a bit of a odd configuration, may gave been a customer order. Edit no Nathan shows WS not green it's blue dealer order.
Both these trucks are just short of $200k here in Australia by the time they are converted to right hand drive and import duties, I paid $290k for a F250 Platinum, but its worth every cent... the 2500 Rams are not anywhere in the same class.
What is really amazing is that here in the comments, people are bragging about the good deals they got buying used, 2-3 year old trucks (2020 or 2021 models) with 30k to 50k miles for more than I paid for my 2018 XLT SuperCrew 4x4 with the 3.5L EB brand new. Times have certainly changed and the buying public has become conditioned to accept these crazy prices.
Honestly, it's more shocking to me that an XLT is seventy thousand dollars.
Stupid 🤪crazy🤪🥵
And that’s USD. How much in CAD LOL
To be honest, I have drove every truck imaginable and the XLT is honestly tame in price compared to chevys or GMC’s. His was only that expensive because he got the heritage edition, the glossy black rims, the moon roof and a few other features probably. My f-150 matches the one in the video (even looks better interior wise imo (tan interior with different style seats)), minus some of the pointless features like the “heritage edition” and it was $61k. A brand new big horn (which is the same weight class in terms of features as the xlt) is 60k. A platinum f-150 is (you guessed it) 84k and the limiteds are typically the same price point. I should add that bighorns can also have features stacked on to take them up to the 70k mark.
@@wadewalker1266in Middle TN bighorns are 45-55k depending on options.
I just got a Fully loaded 23' Platnium BAP Powerboost for 80k out the door, 70k for a XLT is a rip
I got my 2020 ram used about 2 years ago. It’s a bighorn level 2 package so it has heated seats ,heated steering,tow package ,sensors in the tail lights and upgraded 10 speaker sound system. It’s a beautiful truck and drives amazing. Ford and Chevy couldn’t compare for the price I paid.
I moved over from Ford to Ram and couldn't be happier. I got a great deal and the Ram sales guy even let me take it to a Ford dealership 40 miles away to compare the two vehicles side by side. When I returned the Ram, I found myself not wanting to get out which speaks to the much superior ride of the Ram (which I don't believe was discussed?) So for 10k more your'e' getting the best interior in the market, and one hell of a smooth ride. That 8-speed tranny is so smooth and the HEMI noise that big V-8 produces beats the snot out of a twin turbo V-6. All that for me, is what makes the Ram worth it. I was a bit shocked the XLT came in @ 68K.
Right. The dude that made the video was clearly biased towards the ford. I personally had both trucks and was terrible disappointed with my 2020 F150 especially after i rear ended a car at 15 mph and totaled my truck.
i agree, im in Australia and I just got a Ram 1500 limited. In my opinion, I think its the nicest, most comfortable and best put-together out of all the utes.
I'm getting a 1500 Ram for pulling camping trl.
21000 depreciation driving off lot✌️
Why can’t ram sell any trucks despite being cheapest in the market?
Interesting comparison. Every time I see the new pricing on these trucks I feel fortunate buying a new truck in 2020 for 36k after discounts and rebates. Though I do think in the not too distant future you’ll start to see substantial rebates and incentives as demand slows and supply increases. Either way I’m keeping my 2020 for a minimum of 10 years. I don’t think I could handle writing a check for 60k plus for a truck without feeling ill.
Ram has come out with discounts up to 20% on the 1500 Classic and 15% on the “new Ram”. That’s here in Canada.
You wont see those rebates. Manufacturers became smart and cut down on production creating supply and demand. Instead of making 20k units they’ll only make 8k units
@@Invictus_Veteran - They are already here. I can see them right now. Goof.
@@Invictus_Veteran oh I think you will. I’m in the marine industry and boat manufacturers are starting to see a real slow down in demand and incentives are starting to show up. I don’t see the auto industry being much different. And as you can see from the Canadian viewer he’s already seeing significant ones in Canada
@@Invictus_Veteran they make money per unit, and if they don't sell to a customer another manufacturer will. They're incentivized to sell more products not less.. that's how competition works. Time to take off the tinfoil hat..
Just bought a 21’ XLT crew cab long bed 5.0 V8 for $47,927 with under 8k miles on it. Not a bad deal and absolutely could not be happier. Loving my Ford
Long bed ew
It's crazy how much truck prices have went up in the last year or two. I would like to see sales drop significantly and see how the manufacturers react, but it seems like no matter how high prices go, people still buy them.
Because it's the value, you really think these things are cheap ? Tell me what other vehicle can tow and haul and have the gas mileage and also this level of quality and also be capable of going on a mild off road area without any issue ? A Lambo certainly can't compare to any of this yet they cost half a million. People complain about these trucks prices but are totally fine with those cars costing a fortune, it makes no sense at all.
they'll come back down, my local Ford dealer is sending me $8 below MSRP for a new truck as they are trying to get me to trade mine in. They are out of luck I'm driving the wheels off it.
Almost all rams ive seen are marked down with incentives like 10k
I paid 75k for my 22 F-150 XLT loaded with a sherrod lift rims tire and leather
They are sitting on the lots. Would wants to pay over 1k a month?
Great job reviewing two different trucks with two totally different packages. Problem is, if you take a RAM Big Horn/Lone Star which is more comparable to the Ford XLT and spec it to the Ford you had, the Ram was about $8k less than the Ford. On the other hand, if you go up to a Ford Lariat, which is more comparable to a Ram Limited, the Ford is about $6k more than the RAM. Not saying anything about these trucks, as both are very capable, it's just not an apples to apples comparison.
You literally get more of your money’s worth with Ram if that is the case.
And no mention of the gear ratios either
These prices are just crazy. I thought they were insane a few years ago when I bought my 2021 Tremor. Just built one online for comparison- over $10k increase for the same truck…. except you actually get less now with deleted options due to chip shortages. The industry has to change or face collapse imo, there just aren’t enough buyers who can afford (or are just stupid enough) to pay these prices.
I have an 11 f150 fx4 and I refuse to upgrade until prices drop. When it comes time I’ll probably just buy something a few years newer. These prices are insane.
Nathan, thank you for addressing the problem with bloated pricing and not just saying something tone deaf like “Compared to XYZ, this is a bargain” 👍
I absolutely love the automated steps. First of all they come down lower than the fixed running board steps. Helps a lot with older arthritic knees. And the transmission dial frees up a lot of room.
Just can’t believe on how much that xlt cost without leather seats, premium audio system and such premium stuff. Like you said, it comes down to options. I got a big horn back country…. With pano sunroof, 12” screen and rambox…but gave up some technology features and led headlights. So it’s true… the package is the costliest part. Just don’t know who can afford a $60-$70k truck now.
That two tone F-150 looks really sharp...That's an Awesome two tone finish..I would buy that just for the paint scheme..very sharp truck!!
I like the grill design, I might have to find out how to swap my lariats grill for it.
@@gdub350 sounds cool...I got this 2010' Super duty Ford grill I found two years ago.. it's hanging up on my living room wall.
@@gdub350 They threw it out because the chrome plating was starting to lift and peel..so it's only good enough for the wall
It's the Heritage package, and is only available on the XLT trim !!
I much prefer the knob shifter over the Ford. I've had the Ford and currently have the ram. Loved both trucks but the knob frees up a lot of space in the center console and is much more practical. If Ford had done something similar, they wouldn't have had to implement a retracting shifter to make room for a center console that converts into a table top.
I still can't believe the prices for "these" trucks. I bought a F-250 power stroke in 2020 for -$7000 MSRP Lariat sport (no tremor) and then tricked it out myself with a 3 inch lift/level kit, wheels, and 37" tires for around $4000. $76000 all in on a truck that can literally tow a house or get 18 MPG easily on the freeway. Crazy times. As always good to see Nathan on the screen!
Did you delete the D E F and the other stuff that shall remain unnamed? I’m buying a new F350 but I am concerned about the reliability/longevity with all the emissions crap.
@@time_on_target I did not and probably won’t. Even though I really want to.
One thing I like about the Ram the styling just reminds me so much of a 70's D100 love the retro vibe it gives.
Yup
Hey Nathan, I heard you state that ford was charging $995 for auto stop start which sounded crazy for a second. After pausing on the window sticker I noticed that the 2.0 kw inverter was right above the stop start feature. I believe you mixed those ups, why would any one option stop start for $1,000, if not was was the price of the inverter😂, loved the video, just wanted to confirm.
I just bought a used ‘18 Ram 1500 Big Horn w/ 29,000 miles for MUCH less than either of these. For what I spent and the options you get with the Big Horn, I think the Ram is the best value for the money!
I doubt that used trucks are actually more expensive then new cars right now you probably paid more then the original msrp 🤣
Great video, although I have a hard time comparing an XLT to a limited. Would have been nice to see Fords limited vs Ram Limited. In canada, I've been quoted 80K CAD for the ram limited night edition but 102k CAD for the F150 Limited (non powerboost). The ford is way nicer but man the price difference is insane!
Get the PowerBoost!
I was drinking coffee . . didn't spit it out but my mouth was open in shock of the Ford price lol
Darn! Those are expensive!! My 2022 Silverado LT Duramax was $61k last year and I thought that was bad. I still got the max towing 5th wheel package and level 1 convenience package with heated seats and steering wheel, bed liner, remote start, power seat, and whatever else it came with. It’s basically everything that you could ever want in a truck and then some, but doesn’t have all that BS crap that jacks up the price. Personally, I wouldn’t want either of those engines anyways..
I like the Ford XL trim for the standard rubber floor. The single cab, 6.5 ft.bed, 4x4 V8 with aluminum wheels, a locker and a few other things was $44,355. That’s not a bad price for a good truck.
I got a ‘22 stx for a little less than that with the crew cab and the 5.0. I definitely agree with you.
Btw rubber floors are amazing. So easy to clean in surprised it’s not standard in vehicles. Carpet in something that consistently gets muddy/wet makes no sense
@@arekay21 Did you purchase your '22 stx new? Which dealership?
@@sixpooltube yea I got it back in September in NH. Prices have gone up since then (of course)
44k for a single cab?!
@@userANAKIN XL scsb 2wd starts at $33,695, 4wd, destination charges and other options pushed it to $44,xxx
In 2015 I bought a 2014 ram 1500 express with towing package, 8-speed transmission, 5.7L hemi, upgraded infotainment center, crew cab, 4x4 for $33k. 😅
I just bought a new ram classic with the hemi for 37k. I don’t care that it’s missing brand new technology. It’s a new truck that will tow my trailer. All these new trucks are for rich people that don’t use it as a truck. Wish ford and Chevy would offer something similar. I like the style of the ram classic and everyone loves a v8
Got a newer F150 XLT Crew Cab with 5.0L V8 and every option checked for under $50k. Couldn't be happier. I do plan on upgrading the cloth seat to Katzkin leather, which cost between $1,500-$2,000 depending on materials/style. Still better than buying a higher trim F150 that comes with leather seats.
So you got 20k off ? Please share your story. This is amazing deal. Because as you can see here a loaded XLT is almost 70k as you can see.
Yeah im calling bs lol
@@9663mu The original owner ate the initial cost/depreciation. I got it second hand with very low mileage from the dealership.
@@chrism.728 How low mileage?
The fact that active safety tech (adaptive radar cruise, lane keep/tracing systems, etc.) that comes standard on a work truck spec, SR model Tundra costs EXTRA on both of these trucks is nuts.
The fact that the Tundra can be had with less payload than a Maverick is nuts.
@Silverback_GMT410 that statement would apply to both the F-150 (Raptor) & Ram 1500 (Limited 4x4) as well. Odd that you wouldn't take six seconds to Google that one before posting. Good work.
@@sawyermartin4434 bruh the Raptor has off road suspension with 14 inches of travel a wider body and usually has all the options available which weigh you down and can still haul 1400 lbs. the Toyota has no excuses.
@Silverback_GMT410 Nobody is hurting you man. Relax. I made a statement, which was 100% accurate. That's it.
@@sawyermartin4434 there is obviously something that the Ford and Ram are offering that the Toyota is not. Nothing against the Tundra, mind you. Whether it’s quality craftsmanship, fit and finish, standard equipment and options, I don’t know off the top of my head.
As far as your argument for the Raptor having a poor payload rating…smh. It’s a purpose-built vehicle designed for extreme high speed off-roading that just happens to have a bed on it. You cannot go 80-100 mph in the desert with a conventional pickup suspension that’s designed for payload and towing.
I would love to see the total number of Trucks that are written off or depreciated for "Business's" as long as people continue to pay these prices they will never go down
Love your presentation style Nathan. Cool, calm, collected, it is like you are talking to a friendly neighbor or making an in-person presentation. Great job.
The focus on accurate information and the best comparison you could do with (presumably) the two trucks available for the video shoot was a breath of fresh air compared to many TFL Offroad and Truck videos I have seen. Before I get flamed for saying that, I do enjoy the TFL videos. But sometimes they seem to go off on tangents that appear not to be well supported, presumably designed to get clicks and I would enjoy them more if they stayed "in their lane" - like you did here.
I just got a Nissian Titian gasoline pro 4x. (2020) Nice ride! I got it for 41000$ OTD with 12k miles. Truck prices are ridiculous. It’s also my first truck and I’m in love !
I have a 2023 Ram Laramie with the sport package and a few other. Love the truck. It is metallic grey just like the one in this video. I shopped around before I got the Ram. Could not be happier with my Laramie.
I know you say you don’t see the difference of 10k in the interior. But just adding in the options or upping the trim levels in a ford gets you way way over the rams price. Leather, cooled seats in both rows, upgraded stereo, rear view mirror camera etc. just adding those in to an xlt would make it equal in price. Add in the auto running boards , 22in wheels etc. and you’d easily eclipse 78.
A ford limited trim starts at 84k. And when you option it similarly (doesn’t have many to choose from) you’re now at 89k.
Neither truck is cheap. But the Rams value is still there. I shopped all the big 3 and got my 1500 limited with some specific options. - color matched bumpers , 3.92 with limited slip, 33 gallon tank. And msrp’d at 67k. With discounts and rebates my out the door was 57k before my trade in. Again a ton for a truck but for that price I’d be in a low spec xlt or xle gm twin. Not with auto boards, air suspension and a luxury interior.
Keep up the awesome work, and keep giving Roman hell!
Idk bout y’all, but that baby blue colour and black on the f150 is pretty damn cool to me! I love the way they did the two tone look to it.
Rather get the 5.0 V8 in the Ford it gets the same MPGs as the Ecoboost and I think it sounds a lot better and is a really smooth and reliable engine that is naturally aspirated don’t got to worry about a turbo
Not sure about reliability. If I am correct, the 5.0 has cylinder deactivation, which has had some issues. If it was the Coyote without the cylinder deactivation, I would agree with you.
It's the HERITAGE EDITION package mate, designed as a tribute to the early F series XLT models, with seat paterns/materials that replicate when cloth seating was ultra lux. Do some damn researh before hand mate. I LOVE this XLT model BECAUSE it has those cloth seats, the cool console cover and the exterior two tone paint. Plus the 20" rimes are plenty big enough !!
The comment on not liking the Rams dial shifter, you completely skipped over its biggest benefit - the MASSIVE console to store a ton of stuff. Once you can used to the dial it’s not a big deal (even for “three point turns”). I for one just see the wasted space now when other trucks use the old shifter (and gimmicky when they “fold” down to provide room for a fold out laptop tray).
Liking the two-tone Paint
Just sitting here watching & enjoying your review on these trucks & started remembering my 1st truck was a 1976 Dodge custom 100 (yes Dodge not Ram) & back then all trucks were tools now even the cheapest is pure luxury compared. And just a few of the options cost more than I paid for the whole truck with a full tank of gas.
The headlights and front end of the ford is what hooked me.
The market is super weird. I paid 52k Cad for a 2019 Lariat, low mileage, no accidents in 2021. Just saw a dealer trying to sell an equivalent 2019 Lariat in 2023 for 52k. Makes no sense, hopefully when the refreshed 2024 F150 arrives, things will get more realistic.
I live on a road that goes to a landfill , you would"t believe how many new trucks with 5 foot beds go by ,pulling trailers .
I’m looking at the Classic Rams right now. They are 25% off MSRP around me.
I bought a 2022 GMC 3500 Duramax AT4 fully loaded for the same price as that Ram. Yes, brand new.
I’m happy that I got my new truck in 2020 😅 and I thought it was expensive at $45k i think I’m not going to buy a new truck any time soon
The xlt with the 5.0l would have been a better comparison in my opinion. I’m not a fan of anything less than v8 in a full size truck (gas engines). The turbocharged eco boost engines have trouble getting over 100k miles without needing repairs. I bought a 2023 xlt f150, with some different options last month and I love it. I got the 4x4 sport with the 5.0.
The last Ram truck I bought I had for 20 years and paid $23,000 for it with a lot of bells and whistles. So last year I needed to buy a new one. I ended up with a 2022 Rebel, which I love, but the sticker price of $62,000 almost gave me a heart attack and a stroke at the same time! Ended up paying $57,000 but Jeeze Louise, the price of new trucks are insane!!!!!!
Wild. I just bought a leftover 22 XLT with almost all the bells minus the trailer assist and the trailer assist, also a sport for 49 out the door. These things are insanely priced.
TFL does the best comparisons hands down
When buying my Ram 1500 SLT back in 2014, they did offer a Laramie and stuff, but I chose the SLT based on my budget and chose options that will help me preserve the truck, like the bedliner, tonneau cover, etc.
The XLT would be same level as a Big Horn trim. Limited would be comparable to Platinum.
I agree with the insane costs of these things.. The problem is, if you want a certain feature, you have to buy an expensive group of features.
Example, in the Ram, if you want the interior to be 1 color and not a tan headliner, you have to spend thousands more to get the Night edition or the Sport edition.
It's too bad you didn't go through the features of the Ram.. Heated steering wheel, Heated and Vented front and rear seats with that trim level. Reclining rear seats, etc..
I went with a Laramie trim because that's the lowest trim level I could get seat memory and vented seats. You get used to the dial, and the fact there is no shifter in the center console makes a TON of storage in that center console. Love the Ram I picked up,, but absolutely agree the pricing is getting out of hand.
Just bought a aka work truck today for my personal use. Brand new 23 f150 5.0 xl regular cab longbed 2wd 3.31 locking axle. Dealer had $3,000 off.
I ordered a 2023 sport loaded which in the US is a hight than Laramie I have 22" wheels leather heated and vented seats 12" display heated rear seats power everything lane assist running boards etc just no sunroof which I never used in my 2019 ram got it with 5.7 mds etorque for 60k usd and got than to take another 8k off so I am in it taxes in for for less than 50 usd glad I shopped around it took me months of negotiating but glad I got it finally .... looking at these prices it's a no Brainer . I am paying 291 bi weekly usd
I priced out a 302a super crew 6.5 bed with 5.0L and 4wd for $63K. Don’t need max tow and don’t need Fx4 since I’m just looking for a good, all-weather highway cruiser. Just two years ago, that same truck was $53K.
I love your review style and how straight forward you are. Keep it up! Excellent video!
Well done comparison by Nathan. Thanks!!
Not really an apple to apple comparison. Seem liked you preferred the Ford from the get go. Should of at least done the Ford xlt vs Ram bighorn. Then you would see how expensive Ford is.
Here in Canada, we see Ram offering good rebates and incentives and even greater on Ram Classic. Ford? MSRP $$$. I didn't want to spend over 40,500$ (CAN) for a PU so I bought a 2021 Ram Classic Express 3.6L (10,000 km) loaded with options & accessories. With Ford for the same price, it would have been a 2019-2020 with more km (40,000 km +) for the same price. 🙂 As I do approx. 10,000 km/year, I should keep it for many years. 🤓
They really should have put a slash between Eco and boost, because as it's been said with turbocharged vehicles, you either get Eco or boost, not both.
I like a nice mid trim level maybe a well optioned big horn or low level laramie. Skip the power running boards, air susptention, sunroof, leather dash. All crap that breaks and will only add to your repair bills and time at the dealer.
I bought my 2019 XLT 3.5 ecoboost crew cab 4by4 off road MaxTow for 41K new in 2019. Glad I bought when I did.
$68k for an Xlt makes me wanna vomit. I paid $33k for a loaded 302a 5.0 in 2018 and when it was totaled, I paid $44k for a preowned 2021 loaded Xlt 302a sport (6k miles) 6 months ago… which even $44k is a bit much but the sticker on that was $56k (still too much). Ford is pricing buyers out of their vehicles
Let's see that F-150 in Red N Black...thtd be Awesome paint scheme!!!
As a side note, its funny to think how Ram now has the best transmission on the market now with its ZF 8 speed. Mechanically speaking its the best you can get
Love my truck don't have heated seat or wheel or 22" rims or leather but have everything I need for my truck and family 🛻🙂
crazy. I couldn't afford any of the big truck brands. Got a 21' titan pro 4x for 58k. fully loaded.
You can get an XLT version for a lot less, that particular version is a fully optioned XLT
The Ram is gorgeous!!
Wish I would have went with the Ford, purchased a 2022 ram 1500 hemi last fall engine blew up before the first oil change. Dropped a valve at 6300km.
The Harman Kardon system in the ram has 19 speakers. Not 12
My loaded 2021 Ram 1500 4x4 Limited Longhorn. MSRP at $70,890. I got it for $58,890.
Wow my new 2008 F150 XLT 4x4 5.4L Super Crew was only $28k out the door! Trucks are almost unaffordable now! Just like kids, I love my F150 and 2020 BigHorn 4x4 equally, but the smooth ride of the Dodge is pretty sweet!
Most people buy vehicles on monthly payment rather than total vehicle cost. If the dealer can get it in their budget through financing packages, people will buy it. The best way you protect yourself from add-on inflation, is to pay cash or go in with a pre-approved loan from your bank or credit union.
In the last 3 model years (2020-2022) the base price of a XLT with identical options has gone up over $8000 here in Canada - for the same truck! kind of crazy.
I am in canada and just bough a 2923 ram sport it's got heated vented seats leather digital dash 22" wheels but indont use a sunroof and other stuff I don't use and it saves huge without feeling u sacrificed luxury and its way cheaper than the Ford xlt model I got it for 390 bi weekly which is alot but I got alot of truck in comparison to what the others got .... prices are getting crazy everyone I've talked too blames cost of living and taxes here on the current government hopefully with a new one elected things will come down a bit heres to hoping
Bought a 2020 F-150 XLT almost a year ago for $43,000 with 29,000 miles on it. Has the 3.5L ecoboost and FX4 package. Before that I’ve always owned a used base model truck. I built my truck on the Ford website to see what it would be brand new, came out to be $65,000. I honestly don’t see $65,000 worth of options on it. Truck prices are getting out of hand.
In 2020 I made a deal for a f150 xlt fx4 and panoramic sun roof for 44k new. 3.5 eco boost of course my wife said no…
Enjoy your recalls and frequent issues
Great video but I would have preferred a more apples to apples comparison such as the XLT vs the Bighorn which are more compatible.
I ordered a new 22 xlt 302a here in canada for 65k last year and for that price point I found you got a lot more in a ford than a GM,ram or Toyota. Not to mention the the much better lease and finance rates with ford canada compared to the others
Better comparison would of been the Laramie vs the XLT. Would be interesting to compare what you get for the same trim levels. Up here in Canada we get an exclusive Sport addition which is priced with the XLT but more bang for buck imo. I also prefer the looks of the Ram 💯 more
You mean Lariat not XLT
@@redd7188 probably Big Horn vs XLT
Ram has been 1st for interior and exterior styling for years now imo. I'd never buy one since they are pretty unreliable.
Etorque is a problem waiting to happen. You cannot get a hemi without it now. No good. When is the hurricane engine coming to the 1500?
Why didn’t they compare the F150 Limited or Platinum ? They are nice inside .for the price they would have to be.
Seeing these prices makes me happy I went with my bare bones ‘22 stx with the 5.0L for $20k less. Does everything a truck needs to do and has apple car play and looks cool. I can’t see myself paying $20k more for creature comforts.
80k for that ram is insane. I had a ‘21 big horn before my ford and I paid $45k for it. That thing is almost DOUBLE. INSANE!!
You have none of the additional features I don’t think anyone fully fits a Xlt & second a big horn to limited is like comparing a Honda rebel 300 to a Harley, it just doesn’t compare
@@diverse_insightt.o6499 I priced out an xlt with the sport appearance package, 2.7 with tow, and the around view camera and it came out to be $61,000.
My truck has the 5.0, tow package, and stx appearance and it was around $42,000.
Prices for options are absurd these days because manufacturers know people will spend stupid money for unnecessary things.
@@diverse_insightt.o6499 and to add, I compared the big horn to limited because it is essentially the same truck underneath. I had the etourqe, led lights, sport appearance, 20” wheels, tow package with the auto trailer assist. Basically same truck, minus the leather, gigantic screen, and sunroof.
To say the different features from my big horn to the limited in this video is worth almost $40,000 is absolutely bonkers.
@@arekay21 I have a 2019 Big Horn, sticker was 57K and paid 45K. It has plenty of features. You couldn't give me the air suspention, power running boards, sunroof, or even the leather dash that bubbles up after a few years. All will break before 100, probably before 75K.
The f150 auto start/stop is not $995. That was the 2.4kw Pro Power generator. I would get the PowerBoost hybrid engine just for camping with a nice big 7.2kw generator. Can run the air conditioners, microwave and have plenty of electricity left.
For older folks, the power steps are great. They go much lower than the typical fixed step and then tuck away and look much cleaner. Mine have a bypass switch so they can be lowered in a car wash or they can be fixed so they don't automatically lower - great for off-roading. You're not a fan now because you're still young! Also, no mention of Ford's aluminum body panels. My 2018 F150 has only 4 Iowa winters under its belt and I think the aluminum will pay off in body panel longevity. We'll see. The whole "it's not steel so it's weaker" claim may be true if you're tossing engine blocks into the bed. For the vast majority of F150 owners, that's not the case. So far, the aluminum body has proven to be quieter and perfect for my use.
Would like to know payload and fuel tank size on both of these trucks. The Ford max tow should include a larger tank. Not sure on RAM.
You can get a 36 gallon tank in the F150, that I do know. With the 36 gallon tank and 3.5 Ecoboost in my 20 F150 I regular see a range of 700 plus miles with a full tank.
Yes, Ram has larger tanks also.
You could get the blackout package on the 150 in 2022 which leather was offered
The big problem with Ram is their packages will have just one option I want or need and I’ll have to get another dozen I either don’t want or don’t want to pay $3k-$5k for.
The Japanese car manufacturers were the first to do this. Offer a b and c in other words base model SR5 Limited and people are still foolish enough to buy them
$60k+ then a dealer might add a market adjustment price of $10k-$20k on top of that. So then they're financing a $60k truck for $70k-$80k and loan terms for 5-8 years at higher interest rates than in the past. It seems like it's hard to find anything new for just the MSRP price. Then when the person decides they want to try and trade it 2-4 years later for financial reasons or just wants something cheaper or newer. The dealer looks at the MSRP for what the vehicle is said to be worth at it's current age and says, well... It's worth $40k, but you still owe $50k-$65k on it. We can't give you what you still owe on it. Then what's a person to do, roll all that extra upsidedown money into another vehicle or just keep it and keep paying for the next 3-5 years.
Why won't ford just include 20 dollar plastic wheel liners... they'd have less rust issues and look miles better
I just checked my local dealer they are offering $7k off MSRP on all the F150's in their inventory. My own opinion, RAM is dropping the HEMI, whenever a company does that they eventually stop making replacement parts for them, I'd bet within 5 years RAM does that, no matter what the are claiming now. This is especially true for their mild hybrid system. Getting good engine parts from a third party supplier for the engine likely will be possible for quite some time but mild hybrid parts for a low-run part to begin with? forget about it. Also - wheels bigger than 19" don't belong on a 4x4 truck.
What many people don't understand with a lot of upgrades you often spend less when purchasing the more expensive model than purchasing the cheaper one and adding the equipment that is standard on the more luxury model. I used to buy XLT model trucks. The last two trucks I have bought were Lariats that have a higher base price but are cheaper with the options I want than getting those options on an XLT. Sometimes you do have to get more than you think you want with packages but you often like what you get when you get to using them. And hey, what is an extra $10 or even $20 per month. If you find a truck that has been on the lot for over 45 days sometimes, they are discounted as well. At least my trucks were making purchases a truck on the lot with more than you wanted on a truck a better deal than ordering one with less on it and having to wait on it being built. One needs to stay focused though and not go too crazy and live within their means. You don't want the repo man taking away your dream truck.
My 2018 King Ranch F150 was $64k. Prices have gone crazy.
The ram mirrors can be turned or rotated if u may for towing. It's done manually.
I had a 2018 f150 and that thing spent most of its life at the dealership.
In 21, I purchased the ram rebel etorque, very loaded. At 700 miles it took a dump. The etorque went out. It spent 3 months at the dealership. They couldn't figure out how to install a new etorque. 2 engineers from ram showed up. In the end, it all worked out. Ram had given me a loner and made 3 payments for me.
I had to force ford into a lemon law buyback.
Based on my experience, I'll take Rams customer care over ford's on any given day.
Great T Shirt!!
I have almost that exact RAM, mine just has the rambox and the barn door tailgate, and it's black.
I've had it for a little over a year and it has been fantastic. It's my first truck, and the first truck that my family has had.
We love just hopping in and going for a drive, it is very smooth and comfortable. It has become the go to vehicle when we are going out, even more that a 2021 Mercedes SUV that we also have.
My three biggest problems are finding parking, the fact that it's a gas guzzler, and the AC is not cold enough.
I bought it in early 2022 because I haul a lot of stuff around on a semi regular basis, and I was using my mom's old minivan for a long time. It was time to upgrade and I wanted a truck.
I went to see the Tacoma first, but they were pretty expensive and they were not available at the time. I then went to RAM and I instantly fell in love with the 1500 Bighorn. It was a smallish price hike from the Tacoma, but it was tangibly better in every single way. Even though it's more expensive, it is much easier to justify the higher price of the RAM.
But then shortages hit HARD and there were no RAMs available at all. Six months passed and the dealership called me and told me there was a Limited available that wasn't already previously sold.
It is a huge price hike from the Bighorn to the Limited, and all of the goodies you get are very nice, but also unnecesary.
I mean, you don't get any better performance, in fact you lose some payload. Yeah, the screen is nice, but I just play my music when I get in and don't look at it for the rest of the drive. The air suspension is also super smooth, but that thing won't last forever and the repair prices are insane.
I personally was really looking forward to getting a Bighorn, but I ended up getting that Limited on the end. I love and enjoy it. My family absolutely loves it. It is just a great truck. I definitely recommend you to go check one out if you are moderately interested in it.
Both of these trucks are more than 60% of my annual salary! Nice but no thanks, I will keep my 16 Colorado Z71. It still looks and runs great and best of all, it’s paid off.
Both prices are painful, but I think I’m more surprised by the price of the ford. Considering it’s an xlt vs the ram being a top trim level. FWIW, I wouldn’t buy either, both overpriced for what I need/want. I almost ordered a ‘23 Lariat super duty with the 7.3, for about the same price as the xlt f150.
That’s insane lol
That F-150 has a "Heritage Edition" package, hence the two tone paint and other features. But at the end of the day, it's still overpriced for what it offers.
It's a XLT, but has almost every option, which you can go over a base Lariat price, it's a bit of a odd configuration, may gave been a customer order. Edit no Nathan shows WS not green it's blue dealer order.
Look at the Tread on those tires...give me some good mudders to get through the mud and snow and forget the mileage
Thanks for the review, in plain English by a regular guy.
Great Job on your insights. Keep up the good work. Thanks.
Budget class B is something that interest me. Also towing like a RZR or motorcycle
RAM is offering over 10% off msrp on the trucks. We got out limited that's similar to the one in the video for the same price as the XLT ford
Both these trucks are just short of $200k here in Australia by the time they are converted to right hand drive and import duties, I paid $290k for a F250 Platinum, but its worth every cent... the 2500 Rams are not anywhere in the same class.
What is really amazing is that here in the comments, people are bragging about the good deals they got buying used, 2-3 year old trucks (2020 or 2021 models) with 30k to 50k miles for more than I paid for my 2018 XLT SuperCrew 4x4 with the 3.5L EB brand new. Times have certainly changed and the buying public has become conditioned to accept these crazy prices.
Great information. Thanks.