Now that is a beautiful bike and it's a folder, that's a nice feature... I can see that being the replacement for the old style Bromptons and I really like the reverse brakes, that's really cool.
@@ElectricVehicleSpace - Agreed.... It looks like a perfect commuting bike, something that would fit on a train and in the office but probably not good for places outside of the city. The roads where I live would destroy those wheels on the first ride.... Other than that it's an awesome bike and you are lucky to have one, especially in NYC. 😁
LOL yes , the losses look horrendous , still better than `fat tyre `losses probably. I never clean my chain and they last around 6 to 10000 miles and cost 6 quid .
There are so many small e-bike brands pop up here and there. For sure not all of them will survive in the next few years. Eventually your e-bike will require maintenance and replace worn-out parts. With so many non-standardised components, if the company no long exists, where do you get the replacement parts? So your fancy e-bike becomes a fancy paper weight after a few years? Or you just buy new e-bike every few years? Gear drives require precise alignment and the structure with enough stiffness to maintain it. Unless you over-build the rear triangle of a bike. The bumps and unevenness of city roads will flex the bike structure a lot, and the alignment of the gears will be thrown out of the window. That is why although gear drive bicycle has existed for very long. They never became widely used, because it is hard to engineer a good reliable and cost effective one. Good luck with that single sided rear arm to house the gear and shaft.
it is actually the opposite, shaft drive is less efficient and that is the reason why they are quite rare (also price and lack of shifter, although i don't fully understand why they are so expensive). of course it helps a bit that it does not get dirty when enclosed properly but not that much that it becomes more efficient than a traditional chain system. being electric helps to smooth out that efficiency gap, at least if it isn't a mid drive system.
@@tonylawson6636 yes i've been following it. in my knowledge it still isn't ready for use and have some unsolved problems. a generator & motor combo might be even nicer but most likely small and affordable generators and motors are something like 85% efficient, thus full cycle would have 28% power loss (probably more)
Efficiency is really only an issue for competitive riding, as a commuter no one will care. As an aside, I'm still waiting to see bikes incorporating the Valeo system.
Love your video. Appreciate that you give the mileage for maximum power level. Maybe you could contrast that with the minimum level to see hthe difference. Grat work, keep it up
Nice bike, very nice handlebar display and design. Like a scooter. seat not as nice as my bike though.. I got a fiido d2s and it was well packaged folded, no assembly need at all apart from put the seat post on. Decent size box too.
Beixo have a folding electric bike with shaft drive and 7 gears and a front hub motor. Mid drives are expensive to fix. Front hub you can easily change and if you want just put back the ordinary wheel and it's a normal folding bike. I have one and it's really powerful.
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motors driving wheels with shafts? AMAZING JUST AMAZING Why has nobody thought of this before? Shaft...drive...hm. Novel. Have they applied for a patent, I don't think I've ever seen this used anywhere, the whole shaft driving a wheel thing.
With the HONBIKE, the motor drives the front wheel (Hub drive), not the shaft. If a motor would have to drive the shaft, it needs very low RPM and therefore gearing. There is no efficient setup for that on the market. The real wheel is shaft driven by the pedals. Shaft drive is nothing new, it is used in motorcycles (BMW, Moto Guzzi, Honda), and a few bicycles: BMW, Beixo Slim, Brik Fietsen,... Disadvantages of the shaft drive is the heavier weight and the costs. It also makes gear shifts difficult, and a drive shaft always has some play.... All that makes it uninteresting in most bicycle applications.
A bit of common sense : if this drive system has been known for a long time ( what they say in the introduction of this video ) , why it has not been used so far by the cycling industry ?
Because is less efficient than Chain or Belts. Chain and belts are just so much better compared, it's less complicated, it's easy to change from 1-7 because is simpler. So over time people preffered the simplicity of the chain and belt over the complicated but sturdy and very resistant shafted bike.
Mainly because they are less eficient. A clean, perfect condition, freshly lubricated shaft drive is less efficient than a muddy chain drive in the same price range. Although this is less of a problem with electric motors. You have a lot of torque on that shaft drive (there is a reason why the shaft is that thick) and i'm not so sure if carbon fibre can withstand it. Plus you would still need metal gears, carbon fibre is simply to soft, and with that, joints on the shaft drive.
Shaft drives look neat but are less efficient than chain drives and they are heavy. The best chain drive I've seen is Allen Millyard's downhill mountain bike. He explain how he built his prototype. ruclips.net/video/S39oR_7Vwf8/видео.html It's made to handle the forces of off-road biking so more heavily built than a folding bike.
Yamaha made one like this in the late 80s or early 90s. Shaft driven at least. Everything else was possible at the time other than the lithium battery. But not a new technology. Not a new design.
Overall, I liked the bike. But! Two stupidest thing - saddle and brake handles. The saddle is not suitable for at least some long rides. Inverted brake levers are generally dangerous.
If you watch my other videos you will know my height and weight and be able to figure out. Thank you for supporting this video with not so helpful comment. ALSO SHOWS your attention to detail! There are markings on the seat post showing the length that I showed in the shots. At least you could watch all video...
@@ElectricVehicleSpace Kind of a bitchy reply for someone who is trying to advertise a product. You say to watch your other videos to get your height and weight? Isn't your reply where you would re-iterate this since you neglected to mention it in the review of the product where it would make most sense. Not much of a salesman. If I was the manufacturer, I would be cringing at your attitude shown to potential customers. If it comes to you vs someone else for a discount code, I'd pick someone else's.
@@ElectricVehicleSpace neither did your long, drawn out, convoluted description that assumes the audience isn't capable of grasping basic concepts. lol Torque sensing PAS has been around for a while now, it's implemented by most of the major ebike manufacturers, it's not unique to your bike. My point still stands, that a far better description could have been offered with much fewer words.
Love the technology of the drive shain but that bike was way too small for me and it does need to be more powerful. Other than that it’s an awesome bike as well.
that driveshaft is unneccessary complication, there will be friction loss in the drive, better would have been an electric motor in the hub of the wheel instead of that extra driveshaft. thats the main thing i'm not liking on this bike. another thing i'm not liking is the cables that are all visible outside, it would have looked so much cleaner and nicer if the cable were layed within the frame. the battery should have been inside of the frame, that frame could fit a much bigger battery than that on that bike, for more speed and more range. that bike is a bit slow, its much slower than the cars in the traffic and becoming like an obstacle to the cars, one day a car driver will not pay attention and there will then be an accident with that slow bike. i think that bike is for what it is worth new maybe $400 on the current market. beside that, that guy had to assemble the bike by himself, many little parts. a consumer is not a bike technician to have the knowlege how to put a bike together and that can be dangerous when that bike is then moved in traffic.
Looks impossible to customize to ones taste. Can't change handlebars or stem (or even grips), or seat, etc. If you like it's stock features, then go for it. It's light, compact, with low maintenance, but not for me -- I'm like to tinker with my bikes.
Drive shaft in bicycle isn't reliable at all, and has many problems and need 10 times more maintaining than chain. Also it's not efficient, but that's not significant problem in e-Bike, because you are motorized and not use human power. If the designer wants to improve the driving system rather than chain, it should be by belt.
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If it doesn't sell well it will be because it's a small Chinese company without a strong market presence. I'll bet they named it to try to sound like Dahon!
This one is not good for old persons because your legs have to run no stop. Your legs do not have a time to relax. If your legs stop working it will stop.
@@ElectricVehicleSpace How much does it cost?However, in our country a cheap electric bike takes about 50 km. before the battery runs out. And the more expensive ones are up in the range.Otherwise, it is true that most trips are short.
Hahahahaha!! Incredibly low efficiency for such systems, especially once the angular cogs wear out in use. This has been suggested for bicycles since the 1890s and never achieved commercial success. There is a reason for that 🤦🏻
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I was wondering when we'd see shaft drive e-bikes. about damn time.
now if that bike has a suitcase of its own i will love to take it for traveling, that'll mean no more taxis nor bus rides!
good point and you can find a nice pelican can for it.
Now that is a beautiful bike and it's a folder, that's a nice feature... I can see that being the replacement for the old style Bromptons and I really like the reverse brakes, that's really cool.
I love that positioning of the rear brake too so cool and futuristic.
@@ElectricVehicleSpace - Agreed.... It looks like a perfect commuting bike, something that would fit on a train and in the office but probably not good for places outside of the city. The roads where I live would destroy those wheels on the first ride.... Other than that it's an awesome bike and you are lucky to have one, especially in NYC. 😁
@@xpndblhero5170 yes indeed. Thanks
@@ElectricVehicleSpace - You're Welcome... 😁
Liked the reflective line around the wheel that was more visible when you were folding the bike in the room. @ 7:55
Yes indeed
yeah I thought it was pretty cool too for visibility at night especially
@@conphident4 a lot of bikes have now this option.
Agreed, a slightly bigger motor & battery would be nice.
Yes but I still like how this smart bike performs.
@@ElectricVehicleSpace absolutely it’s brilliant. I’ll probably wait a year. I’d like to see 20+ ish mph and 30-40 mile range.
@@ronb9901 I think will be sooner than that
i like shaft drive bikes. it was a no brainer to start with ., my BMW motorbike has shaft drive.
First chain-less e- bike with a futuristic look--- cool could be worth the investment
Hope they upgrade 🔋 power
Beautiful and smart
Beautiful design.
Absolutely
Amazing new bike 🚴
Thats got great style. A fat tire version would be perfect for me.
I like it very well.
Wow!amazing nice bike 👍
So many great features on this bike. I would like to have someone build one of these but with at least 1500 watts. Cheers.
LOL yes , the losses look horrendous , still better than `fat tyre `losses probably. I never clean my chain and they last around 6 to 10000 miles and cost 6 quid .
Wow!!! I love it.
Brilliant review 👏 Brilliant bike has it rear suspension 👍
There are so many small e-bike brands pop up here and there. For sure not all of them will survive in the next few years. Eventually your e-bike will require maintenance and replace worn-out parts. With so many non-standardised components, if the company no long exists, where do you get the replacement parts? So your fancy e-bike becomes a fancy paper weight after a few years? Or you just buy new e-bike every few years?
Gear drives require precise alignment and the structure with enough stiffness to maintain it. Unless you over-build the rear triangle of a bike. The bumps and unevenness of city roads will flex the bike structure a lot, and the alignment of the gears will be thrown out of the window. That is why although gear drive bicycle has existed for very long. They never became widely used, because it is hard to engineer a good reliable and cost effective one. Good luck with that single sided rear arm to house the gear and shaft.
it is actually the opposite, shaft drive is less efficient and that is the reason why they are quite rare (also price and lack of shifter, although i don't fully understand why they are so expensive). of course it helps a bit that it does not get dirty when enclosed properly but not that much that it becomes more efficient than a traditional chain system. being electric helps to smooth out that efficiency gap, at least if it isn't a mid drive system.
There is a shaft drive that you can shift. High-end. No gearbox. it was ceramicspeed.
@@tonylawson6636 yes i've been following it. in my knowledge it still isn't ready for use and have some unsolved problems. a generator & motor combo might be even nicer but most likely small and affordable generators and motors are something like 85% efficient, thus full cycle would have 28% power loss (probably more)
I think you would loose 30% power from the gears ⚙️
This is a very poor, expensive design for any bikes. It requires expensive repairs when it breaks and will break easily.
Efficiency is really only an issue for competitive riding, as a commuter no one will care. As an aside, I'm still waiting to see bikes incorporating the Valeo system.
I'd imagine many of the parts are upgradeable. If the seat post is standard, could swap out post & saddle. Swap out brakes.
Love your video. Appreciate that you give the mileage for maximum power level. Maybe you could contrast that with the minimum level to see hthe difference. Grat work, keep it up
It will take too long to test and it's not fun to ride slow
@@ElectricVehicleSpace OK, I understand. Thanks for the rerply.
What great bike design without a suspension, your butt will hate you for approving this
Nice bike, very nice handlebar display and design. Like a scooter. seat not as nice as my bike though..
I got a fiido d2s and it was well packaged folded, no assembly need at all apart from put the seat post on. Decent size box too.
Nike had this drive train on their rental bikes. But got rid of and went with the standard chain version.
Beixo have a folding electric bike with shaft drive and 7 gears and a front hub motor. Mid drives are expensive to fix. Front hub you can easily change and if you want just put back the ordinary wheel and it's a normal folding bike. I have one and it's really powerful.
how comfortable is the seat. looks funky
You are few blocks away you can test it 😉 just let me know when
This bike would be perfect for traveling, throw it in your trunk or RV, once you reach your destination pull it out and go exploring.
Absolutely also check the Eole carbon. That one has more range lighter and 27mph top speed.
sick slick
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It’s very nice bike
Cara que legal o desenho dela é muito limpo e simples o que a deixa mais linda e útil e a solução da transmissão que genial
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😍Wow!🤜💥👍
Nice video! Just a question, si the red spot on handlebar a defect or a decoration?
It was a scratch and I tried to cover it with a black sharpie. It came bad on the camera.
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216Wh Akku is quite measly. The rest look pretty good.
Hi there
I want gear system pls
Were can buy that kind of bike..?
Link in the description box under the video
does it come with indicators or a way to attach them?
No indicators it's 20mph bike.
motors driving wheels with shafts?
AMAZING
JUST AMAZING
Why has nobody thought of this before?
Shaft...drive...hm. Novel. Have they applied for a patent, I don't think I've ever seen this used anywhere, the whole shaft driving a wheel thing.
yes mid drive with that shat will be cool.
With the HONBIKE, the motor drives the front wheel (Hub drive), not the shaft. If a motor would have to drive the shaft, it needs very low RPM and therefore gearing. There is no efficient setup for that on the market.
The real wheel is shaft driven by the pedals.
Shaft drive is nothing new, it is used in motorcycles (BMW, Moto Guzzi, Honda), and a few bicycles: BMW, Beixo Slim, Brik Fietsen,...
Disadvantages of the shaft drive is the heavier weight and the costs. It also makes gear shifts difficult, and a drive shaft always has some play.... All that makes it uninteresting in most bicycle applications.
I want one.
One thing I'm sure of, this thing is going to be expensive
I've had dis shit on my bike for 20 years. Dis ain't nothing to write home about.
Love to see a pinion gearbox on it...
Does it have any gearing?
Nop unfortunately
From where did you order that?
from their website
@@ElectricVehicleSpace I did went to their website but you can't click on the item. It is like not active or just being displayed.
I dub this bike… “THE SPINE BUSTER”.
A bit of common sense : if this drive system has been known for a long time ( what they say in the introduction of this video ) , why it has not been used so far by the cycling industry ?
Because is less efficient than Chain or Belts. Chain and belts are just so much better compared, it's less complicated, it's easy to change from 1-7 because is simpler. So over time people preffered the simplicity of the chain and belt over the complicated but sturdy and very resistant shafted bike.
Chain drive is more efficient but needs more servicing.
Why don't single speed bikes have driveshafts?
I don't think it would have to be much heavier if a carbon fiber drive shaft was used.
Mainly because they are less eficient. A clean, perfect condition, freshly lubricated shaft drive is less efficient than a muddy chain drive in the same price range.
Although this is less of a problem with electric motors.
You have a lot of torque on that shaft drive (there is a reason why the shaft is that thick) and i'm not so sure if carbon fibre can withstand it.
Plus you would still need metal gears, carbon fibre is simply to soft, and with that, joints on the shaft drive.
well, chaindrive can also be completely enclosed.
Shaft drives look neat but are less efficient than chain drives and they are heavy. The best chain drive I've seen is Allen Millyard's downhill mountain bike. He explain how he built his prototype.
ruclips.net/video/S39oR_7Vwf8/видео.html
It's made to handle the forces of off-road biking so more heavily built than a folding bike.
You can't buy it in Asia right now. Why?
It is produced in Asia. Send them an email...you should be able to get it there easier than here.
6 am hours means that you will only get about 7 to 10 miles with no hills
Some great design features, but what a poxy range.
What range were you expecting 😳?
@@ElectricVehicleSpace Useable.
i love the design but limit speed still not fast enough
Cost?
Check the link
WOULD LIKE TO SEE A BIKE WITH A LARGER WHEEL SIZE.
than there is no reason to have it folding and defeats the purpose
Yamaha made one like this in the late 80s or early 90s. Shaft driven at least. Everything else was possible at the time other than the lithium battery. But not a new technology. Not a new design.
Oh wait. No. Yamaha had a mid drive. Not a hub.
I don't think it was electric nor had all the sensors.
They should try it on bigger wheels say 26".
Sepeda itu sangat berat untuk dikayuh.. Capek.. Aku pernah pakai sepeda model seperti itu
Very nice design but no suspension 😳😳😳
its a nope for me. finding parts for that is going to be lovely hehehe
Wow
please reveal the great secret : weight !
Foarte usor
Overall, I liked the bike. But! Two stupidest thing - saddle and brake handles. The saddle is not suitable for at least some long rides. Inverted brake levers are generally dangerous.
Why and how? You can swap them
one of my idea
Seat and small wheels are the two negitive things in this E-bike .
No mention of the seat post length. Looks very short. A major point left out of the review. Duh!
If you watch my other videos you will know my height and weight and be able to figure out. Thank you for supporting this video with not so helpful comment. ALSO SHOWS your attention to detail! There are markings on the seat post showing the length that I showed in the shots. At least you could watch all video...
@@ElectricVehicleSpace Kind of a bitchy reply for someone who is trying to advertise a product. You say to watch your other videos to get your height and weight? Isn't your reply where you would re-iterate this since you neglected to mention it in the review of the product where it would make most sense.
Not much of a salesman. If I was the manufacturer, I would be cringing at your attitude shown to potential customers.
If it comes to you vs someone else for a discount code, I'd pick someone else's.
"...it's hard to explain"
No, it really isn't. Here, I'll do it in 3 words "torque sensing PAS"
There, done : I
Did not explained anything
@@ElectricVehicleSpace neither did your long, drawn out, convoluted description that assumes the audience isn't capable of grasping basic concepts. lol
Torque sensing PAS has been around for a while now, it's implemented by most of the major ebike manufacturers, it's not unique to your bike.
My point still stands, that a far better description could have been offered with much fewer words.
..see it time ..ago..
All black bike all black rider black helmet extreme danger at dusk brighten em both up
Love the technology of the drive shain but that bike was way too small for me and it does need to be more powerful. Other than that it’s an awesome bike as well.
PLEASE COME TO my side of the world
that driveshaft is unneccessary complication, there will be friction loss in the drive, better would have been an electric motor in the hub of the wheel instead of that extra driveshaft. thats the main thing i'm not liking on this bike. another thing i'm not liking is the cables that are all visible outside, it would have looked so much cleaner and nicer if the cable were layed within the frame. the battery should have been inside of the frame, that frame could fit a much bigger battery than that on that bike, for more speed and more range. that bike is a bit slow, its much slower than the cars in the traffic and becoming like an obstacle to the cars, one day a car driver will not pay attention and there will then be an accident with that slow bike. i think that bike is for what it is worth new maybe $400 on the current market. beside that, that guy had to assemble the bike by himself, many little parts. a consumer is not a bike technician to have the knowlege how to put a bike together and that can be dangerous when that bike is then moved in traffic.
Nice bike, but mechanical disc brakes??? It looks cheap and bad
Looks impossible to customize to ones taste. Can't change handlebars or stem (or even grips), or seat, etc. If you like it's stock features, then go for it. It's light, compact, with low maintenance, but not for me -- I'm like to tinker with my bikes.
Probably can change seat post, saddle.
Single sided forks on bicycles isn’t robust enough for long term durability.
There are so many brands that proved reliability and good performance.
"Going uphill, the bike reacted with more power output."
*not a hill in sight*
watch the video and pay attention
Drive shaft in bicycle isn't reliable at all, and has many problems and need 10 times more maintaining than chain. Also it's not efficient, but that's not significant problem in e-Bike, because you are motorized and not use human power. If the designer wants to improve the driving system rather than chain, it should be by belt.
Nah, i rather go with a bike that I can easily replace the parts. Especially when I'm in some third world counties.
Don’t like the design, excessive small wheel.
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Huh.
Overweight, expensive, and underpowered.
$1500 and with such awkward shape and poor shaft drive design? Terrible product. It will go out of the market in few months.
That's sad that you did not like it. This design wan 2022 award for ebikes
If it doesn't sell well it will be because it's a small Chinese company without a strong market presence. I'll bet they named it to try to sound like Dahon!
This one is not good for old persons because your legs have to run no stop. Your legs do not have a time to relax. If your legs stop working it will stop.
My guess is it's got a freewheel.
A range of 14.7 miles or 23.6 kilometers is very bad for an electric bike.
For light vehicle for city comute its all you need. On average people ride 7 to 10 miles at the time. Research ...
@@ElectricVehicleSpace How much does it cost?However, in our country a cheap electric bike takes about 50 km. before the battery runs out. And the more expensive ones are up in the range.Otherwise, it is true that most trips are short.
@@stargate12A you wont get innovation and superior parts with quality and design with cheap.
Hahahahaha!! Incredibly low efficiency for such systems, especially once the angular cogs wear out in use. This has been suggested for bicycles since the 1890s and never achieved commercial success. There is a reason for that 🤦🏻
6Ah lol lol lol. They have to go to 12Ah or 17Ah. Otherwise it's a joke.
русский что ли гутарит)))
no Russians here!
@@ElectricVehicleSpace ну акцент явно не Американский))
WOULD BE MOTIVATED TO BUY IF HAD 26 - 27 INCH TIRES. DO NOT UNDERSTAND TRYING TO PROMOTE A CHILD-LIKE BIKE
I am 6.3' and it is not that small. It is actually perfect size and I would definitively ride it daily. Super comfortable.
С русским акцентом:)))
No I'm not Russian
@@ElectricVehicleSpace ну может тогда рускоговорящий