What Were The Pilots Thinking? (Yemenia Flight 626) - DISASTER BREAKDOWN
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The crash of Yemenia Airways Flight 626, would be a prime example of an accident that investigators would label as “Unsurvivable”. In the early hours of June 30th, 2009, this passenger plane carrying 153 people plunged into the sea, nearby to the Comoros Islands. The plane was attempting to land at the small airport in this tiny Island nation. Let’s have a close look at that approach and let’s look at how the plane was handled and what the airport demanded from the pilots.
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Do you think you'll do a video about the Fokker 28 icing accidents sometime this month?
@@robertmcghintheorca49 Not this month but it is a video I'm working on. There a whole lot of those incidents and I want to cover them in one large video so its taking its time. It'll be the longest video I've ever made, that's for sure!
@@DisasterBreakdown hi
@@DisasterBreakdown Wow! I'm so excited!
Your channel is the far far far best if it comes to this topic. The quallity of your work is awesome, your research for the videos seems to be very dedicated and the production is also next level. Thanks for providing us with your content.
The most disturbing thing was not hearing either pilot communicating that last minute while the alarms are just going off
Not as disturbing as anonymous infants like you poisoning social media.
I think it was more an issue with microphone/recording, because you can hear them speaking but it's very faint on the cvr.
Almost worse than AF 447 CRM
absolutely wild for how long you can hear the stick shaker trying to alert the pilots with no reaction from either.
Especially because it is such a terrible and annoying noise, just like it is designed to be!
I think they were reacting just with the wrong actions. Smh
Allah take the wheel
they didnt know what the hell they where doing, i bet they where flying those planes way before they should just another country that cant handle air travel most from that part of the world i wonder why
@@kuwaitisnotadeployment1373 That’s what it sounded like to me, too: No. Okay. Pull. I wonder if one was pushing the nose down and the other said No, pull (as in, Pull up.)
The sole survivor, 12-year-old girl Bahia Bakari, was found clinging to wreckage after floating in the ocean for thirteen hours. the nation possesses no sea rescue capabilities. She was picked up during rescue efforts by local fishermen and speedboats sent by authorities on Grande Comore
Bless her poor soul💔😞
Yes she lost her mom and then heard others die around her. 9 hours adrift and alone. I join you in prayer that she may find peace.
@@knowsmebyname
Would have been nicer if your “god” had saved her parents and all the other crew and passengers.. 🤷♀️
@@knowsmebyname So god will grant her peace but not stop the plane from crashing? 🙄
@@michellemonroe7442 yeah. I hope so. Atheists are so boring. You get that? Christians aren't intimated by you. You are tedious and boring.
Hearing the absolute incompetence of all parties involved through the CVR was equal parts interesting as much as it was terrifying. The ATC specially seems like they needed a break
To be fair. Nobody did anything here.
I felt my IQ plummeting as I struggled to understand what the ATC was saying, I think he had a similar effect on the pilots.
@@KahrylBlack He gave the required information. The difference of a couple of knots of windspeed was not an issue. If the runway is shielded from wind then it can be expected to have less wind.
I assume the pilots couldn't be bothered flying a circuit so kept asking in hope the wind magically disappeared to allow them to just land off the ils. ATC didn't confuse anything. He was probably just not expecting to be constantly asked about the wind. That's not normal.
@@KahrylBlack it was understandable
@@chrisnoname2725 barely
@@chrisnoname2725 It was mostly understandable, but coherent and professional is another matter. My 12 year old grandson could have done better.
I won't be surprised if there was originally maybe a few other survivors like the sole surviver said; the plane stalled and fell at a relatively low height from sea level, and at an angle; the force the plane would use to hit the water would most likely not be strong enough to absolutely take out everyone, especially for people at the front end of the plane, due to the angle at which the plane hit the water; i think there's a good chance a few passengers originally survived the crash, who then probably drowned due to either being trapped, unconscious, or exhausted... RIP to all the passengers who perished.
the girl talked about it; she heard the others scream throughout the night, but as the hours passed the voices became less and less.
ATC communication was of a very poor quality and did nothing to help those pilots. He sounded lethargic & difficult to understand. No, he didn't stall the plane, but he took more attention away from flight phase than a competent ATC otherwise would have. Highlights the importance of good, clear communication in aviation industry. Goes for private pilots too.
Not a terrible speaker but he couldn't say numbers! That's like the very first lesson!
Yeah, this was another case where poor (if not to say complete lack of) Crew Resource Management probably contributed to the crash.
Completely incompetent ATC. The guy couldn't speak English let alone direct an airplane.
@@bcmfin LET SEE YOU SPEAK ARABIC
@@tolkkeen irrelevant, English is the language of the Aircraft industry
> stall warning
> Pilot: "Pull! Go up!"
*sigh*
“unsurvivable” is actually such a chilling label for an incident. heartbreaking accident :/
All aviation accidents with deaths are heart breaking
@Benji P dude what
@Benji P You're trying way too hard to be edgy
Most air accidents are unsurvivable
The voice recorder is very interesting in how little sound we have from the cockpit
This accident has always fascinated me in how disorientated the crew got in just 2 minutes.
Getting disoriented isn't as surprising as not being able to fix it in such a long time.
It seems like in so many of these incidents, the pilot maintains a nose-up attitude despite it being so obviously the wrong thing to do. I guess human nature sometimes overrides training and when faced with a situation like, the instinct to point the thing upwards is strong.
The Air France crash was caused from the copilot that kept pulling his joystick all the time, so the aircraft kept loosing altitude all the time, because of the nose-up attitude.
I heard an interview with Sully, who said that if the AF flight would have been on a Boeing, the other pilot would have realised the copilot was pulling the nose up, because the two control sticks are linked, while the joysticks on the Airbus are not...
@@rayoflight62 I don't know if this was in place at the time or a result of it, but now the plane would complain audibly. You'd hear "Dual input! Dual input!" every few seconds until one of them let go.
@@mal2ksc interesting, so basically the plane requires both pilots to be committing to the action otherwise it registers it as a potential mistake and warns about it? That's actually really cool
@@tristanneal9552 No, unfortunately what I believe Airbus does is take an average of the two inputs. So if one pilot pulls back and the other wants to push the nose down just as hard, you don't get either one. You just get the "Dual Input! Dual Input!" warning.
I believe one of the more recent changes is to provide a button on each stick that, if held down for a few seconds, gives exclusive control to that stick alone. To me this seems like a way to make sure we get another Germanwings style CFIT, while the other pilot is locked out of the controls.
@@rayoflight62 the linked yokes can be separated if both pilots pull hard enough in opposite directions. They're linked by a semi rigid spring in a tube. That's what happened on the recent near-crash involving an Air France 777 landing at Paris.
I'm yet to find a youtuber or anyone really who presents in depth yet synthesized info about mainstream and obscure aviation, my favorite channel about the topic tied with 74gear. You're criminally underrated, your subs, like and view numbers should be a lot higher
The channel is steady growing , she'll get there.
Mentour Pilot, Airspace, Mini Air Crash Investigations, and Green Dot Aviation also cover a wide range of incidents, I think. They've all got their own identity, and Mentour isn't as exclusively focused on air accidents, but I'd say they all fit the bill.
In the first place, has Kelsey from 74 Gear done any air accident coverage? I mostly watch him for the cockpit confessionals, the viral debriefs, and the movie reviews... places where his humor and personality really shine through. I'm not sure how well that fits with this more serious genre, and I'm not sure if he could meaningfully distinguish himself from Petter and the team at Mentour.
The flight channel is excellent and is the best IMO as a current airline pilot for a major U.S. carrier. They have amazing graphics.
Best one is in French.
I also agree with the other comments here.
- The Flight Channel is very well researched and reproduced. It is presented in a most respectful way.
- Petter from Mentour Pilot is also excellent, he raises relevant discussion points.
- Green Dot Aviation I've only recently discovered, but I'm impressed so far.
- 74 Gear - I really like this chap, in conjunction with his great sense of humour he also gives good advice. Without ego he is happy to give examples of his own errors and subsequent lessons learned, from a CRM position, he would be terrific to fly with.
- Airspace I have not heard of but will check it out shortly.
- This channel is also not too bad at all, I have only seen a handful of presentations so far.
I'm always very impressed with the professionalism and verifiable research that is conducted by the majority of these presenters, some more so than others. I've picked up a lot of new information I was previously unaware of with some of the lesser known accidents and incidents.
Conversely, there is a woeful attempt called something like 'Air Accidents Explained' or 'Aviation Crashes Explained'. It's compiled with random and frequent irrelevant video clips along with images from other accidents, the worst though is that the information is anecdotal at best but clearly poorly researched if at all.
He 'produced' a horrific episode supposedly pertaining to what happens to a body in an accident. It was so fictitious and offensive. I wrote the only comment there.
I've never written a negative comment toward a producer before, but after watching two horrendous and exceptionally disrespectful episodes, I wrote a scathing albeit constructively critical review. Retrospectively perhaps I ought to have waited until I cooled down, his nonsense just really got under my skin!
Interesting that with only 2 pilots needed on this flight, 3 were actually present and none of them reacted properly. Sounds like a training issue.
More of a low IQ issue, IMHO.
@@spiritmatter1553 Airbus A310 pilots... "Low IQ"?
I hardly think so. You don't manage to become captain, first officer and flight engineer for a flag carrier airline if you have low IQ.
@@spiritmatter1553 yep countrys from that part of the world dont have intelligent enough people to fly planes, its why afrika and the middle east will never be anything but oil producers and once thats gone nothing of value will be lost
Strict followers of some religions are known to sometimes view these incidents as God's will and just calmly accept it rather than fighting to survive.
@@MajorT0m
Very true, I am not suprised they went with the usual phrase "It's Allah's will" on their lips........how tipical.
I wonder if either of these pilots have ever actually stalled a plane at any point in their careers? If you've never actually stalled a plane then you don't know what it feels like and very likely cannot recover from it.
What about their training? Did they begin training in small planes, or start with big ones? There are things learned on small planes that you cannot learn on big ones, deep stalls being one of them.
You can't stall a big plane for training?
@@chrisnoname2725 I THINK YOU CAN BUT ITS EASIER TO RECOVER THE STALL ON A SMAAL PLANE. i think
You can't gain a pilot's license without stall entry and recovery training at some point in your career and all pilots start their training on smaller aircraft.
@@jgreenberg Back in the day, even when I joined the airlines back in 2016, full stall recovery in the simulator is not mandatory. We would just recover from impending stalls. The simulators were not accurate enough to replicate a real stall.
However, things have changed for good. Upset recovery and stall entry and recovery is mandatory for all airline pilots once every year now. Simulators are now upgraded with real stall test data from the aircraft manufacturer and are really accurate.
Yes, we all do full stalls in small aircraft during initial pilot training. But large aircraft have very different stall characteristics which needs to be learnt especially at high altitudes.
@@anasmaaz5731 I agree with you and I know that full stalls aren't necessarily required at that level but OP asked, probably facetiously, if the pilots had ever done stalls at any point and what aircraft they trained on. So I just thought it better to answer regardless of whether they were being serious or not.
On another note, it's a great thing to be able to experience the characteristics of a full stall in the simulator now. Experience is the greatest teacher.
That ATC he sounded like he didn’t feel at all confident communicating in English which is a huge problem when the primary language of aviation is English. It may not have caused the crash but it sure didn’t help.
Most Americans can’t speak or spell ‘proper’ English either…..even when they speak it.
where do you think this was? alabama,??? HAHA everyone doesnt speak fluent english and if the language is the problem they can just switch to arabic.. the language wasnt the problem, it was the retarded pilots, same as turks, they shouldnt fucking fly planes, theyre all inbred
@@liukang3545 You do know that it is a requirement for for pilots to speak English right? I am aware the entire world doesn’t speak English but it is required in aviation. Also if you read my comment you’d see that I said while it may not have caused the incident it didn’t help.
@@clairewilliams9416 if its a life threatening situation who fuQing about that english is the language of aviation, LoLW but these pilots lacked the fucking intelligence
@@liukang3545 I can see your clearly not bothering to read my comments so I’ll leave you to your trolling.
Professionalism was lacking in both the performance of the duties of pilots and the ATC. I strongly remember hearing about this tragedy shortly after this happened. The CVR is chilling stuff, too.
By the way ATC sounded I expected him to mess something up and drive them into a mountain or something like that...
Yeah the language barrier is very apparent.
Agreed. It sounds like he’s probably the only ATC in the entire little country. Looking out the window with a toy telescope and CB walkie-talkie.
What information did he give that was actually wrong?
@@chrisnoname2725 he sounded chill like these emergencies happen everyday at his airport. He was just happy to have electricity that day to operate the radio while he swivels in his chair.
@@Dad_Brad He wasn't dealing with an emergency. He was dealing with an approach
Pitching the nose up must be an unconscious reaction to "Too Low Terrain," where pilots think subconsciously that a nose up config will allow them to always climb out of danger. This isn't the first stalled modern airplane accident seemingly caused by that error.
Exactly - In a stall situation you can trade altitude for airspeed in order to get the necessary speed to generate lift from the wings. Unfortuantely (as you say) there is a the human error of hot having altitude to trade, and therefore assuming that the only option is to point the nose 20 degrees up to avoid terrain, which only reduces airspeed further and puts you deeper into the stall.
Lack of training specifically on airbuses
The point of training for years and in depth, is to be conscious and follow your training when hundreds of people's lives are in your hands
@@lonerebeItotally agree.
A310 is a great aeroplane, provided, the crew understands the technology. A fault in training of these unfortunate pilots,nothing else. My sincere opinion.
I've never heard any ATC sound so amateurish, even in tiny airstrips that only cater for light aircraft.
I know nothing about flying a plane, but just common sense tells me that if the plane is in a 20 degree nose up position and there is a stall warning, you lower the nose. The first officer should have been monitoring the instruments but apparently was not doing so. Some "pilot error" judgments are questionable, but this one was not. To answer the question, "What were the pilots thinking?", the answer would be that they were not thinking at all.
They probably became fixated on gaining altitude after getting the "terrain, pull up" message. This is similar to what happened to the other stall crash. One pilot was determined to climb over a thunderhead and refused to lower the nose. Course they lost their airspeed indication when the pitot tubes iced over. Maybe it's normal but that was a complex approach. Seems like one of those turns could have been avoided but I suppose there was a reason for it.
Common sense is becoming less and less common
It's really a miracle I haven't given up on travelling after following your channel for so long, lol
Good work, thank you
Always nice to see an upload from you Chloe, each video better and better
I flew Yemenia several times in the late 70s when I was a Peace Corps volunteer in Yemen. My only complaint was the flies in the plane.
Great upload , thanks for all you do Chloe.
Saturdays have become much better bc of this woman and her aviation/accident content
Hell yeah
HELL YEAH all hail chloe
Between Chloe and Plainly Difficult my late Saturday night wind down playlist is set
@@fromthewhales bit much lol
@@dontspikemydrink9382 no idea what you're talking about /s
You do such a great job with these videos. Keep it up!
Thank you Chloe for yet another fascinating presentation. I love the consistency in your videos and appreciate how you are so sensitive and respectful in your review of tragedy. Thank you.
As always worth the wait and loving the uploads
Great vid as always. I'm gonna head to your Patreon page now. Thx for the work you do in creating these vids. 😉👍✌️
Thank you for covering this one ❤
Waiting for this for a long time! Amazing video!
This was a very nicely done video. Thanks Chloe
You said it right! Thank you for the great channel!
Many Thanks for doing this. Excellent Analyses.!!!
Another great video, my friend! I see you're closing in on 100K subscribers. You should get there by next weekend, or even before then. Well deserved!
Nice vid, your voice and script are really didactic, keep it up mate!!
Great video as always Chloe! thank you very much for shedding light on disasters that I've never heard of before.
Thank you for another well presented and interesting video.
Good airlines, worked there between 2009 and 2014, used to fly all types of their planes (a310, a320, a330 and b737). All Pilots have an Air Force background, well trained. Now only 4 Yemeniya planes are left operational
It’s only 2 planes bro… and yes ever since the war shit happened we don’t have a government that pays staff or even maintains planes… Yemenis that are rich in america are the ones stuck with donating paying for maintenance of the plane
The parallel to AF 447 are striking and make me demand that air-bus drivers learn to be aviators first. Stall recovery is a natural for anybody who has ever flown a plane obeying simple laws of aerodynamics and flight mechanics.
I view this as a training issue more so than pilot error. The fact that 2 planes went down in remarkably similar form in the same month should have raised eyebrows and caused immediate action.
@@EA-vd4gd Not disagreeing. Having somebody fly a non-automated plane during their training, IS a training amendment.
But this is a total differet story. The A310 has linked Yokes not Sidesticks
@@mgcruise4054 This is not about the configuration of the input elements. This is about pulling the plane into a stall in panic an then keeping it there till the bitter end.
Not gonna lie, that globe animation was smooth. Nice video and nice work!
Nice work.Thanks to YOU!
I am not a commercial pilot, but I did earn my private pilot’s licence when I was 20 and also flew gliders for several decades. While flying gliders is not as complex as flying powered aircraft gliding is a more fundamental form of flying as you are controlling the aircraft directly. This I believe gives you a more fundamental and instinctive understanding of what the aircraft is doing.
I don’t know about the regulations in other countries, but in Australia glider pilots have to perform an annual flight review that involves not only recovering from a stall but a fully developed spin, not just an incipient spin but a full blown more than 1 complete rotation spin. Now I can tell you that it doesn’t take being in too many spins before you very quickly develop a healthy respect for how catastrophic stalling you aircraft can become. This results in you responding very quickly and definitively to even the slightest indication your aircraft is about to stall.
Which brings me to my point? In a glider there is just you, your skills as a pilot and the aircraft’s controls. If you end up stalling the aircraft it’s because you did something wrong and the only way to recover from it is to utilize those skills. However, with modern fly by wire aircraft you have all this automation that is supposed to protect you from doing things like stalling the aircraft and even recover from a stall should you somehow manage to bypass all the safety systems and actually stall the aircraft? Yet here we have two instances of pilots stalling large multi engine fly by wire aircraft and despite all the indications, warnings, safety features and automation doing the exact opposite of what they were taught very early in their pilot training (I think it was the third lesson when I started to learn about stalling an aircraft).
Could it be that pilots have become too reliant on automation at the detriment of fundamental flying skills or is something more complex and sinister happening? I know that back when I was doing my initial pilot’s training my flying instructors (both powered and glider) would be horrified if I didn’t recognise that the aircraft had stalled and blissfully kept pulling back on the controls until it was too late to simply lower the aircraft’s nose and fly out of the stall.
Sometimes you think the plane is flying when it's not, or you left it doing the first thing you wanted it to do and hand flew the new task and then turn it back on forgetting you hadn't changed instructions.
Just like resetting cruise control without changing to the new speed.
Just flying small planes on instruments and using the autopilot i had to be vigilant to remember what the plane was handling and what i had to handle, particularly taking over to land and remembering it is then my job to handle the lateral movement not just the descent. But i am sure i would have got more comfortable if i did it all the time.
Isn't flying gliders more complex because you have to find the thermals. An engine makes things much easier.
Flying on instruments can get a little complex but mostly it is easier than visual.
@@chrisnoname2725 Hi Chris,
Trust me, finding and keeping a glider in a thermal or wave is a lot simpler than having to worry about manifold pressure, fuel flow rate, head & exhaust temeratures, RPM and prop pitch in an aircraft with a supercharged engine and constant speed prop. However, what I was trying to get across is that with a glider the controls in the cockpit are connected directly with control surfaces and that the most reliable method you have for predicting the onset of a stall is how the aircraft feels and reacts to control inputs. For example as your airspeed drops the controls will become sluggish and it will feel like the aircraft is wallowing about in the sky rather than responding quickly and definitively to control inputs. There’s also a super technical instrument that is more important than all the other instruments. It’s called a yaw string and consists of a brightly coloured piece of thread taped to the canopy directly in front of the pilot (in the original “Top Gun” movie you could see yaw strings on the canopies of the F-14s). Not only does that tell you how well the aircraft is flying, but the position of the end of it in relation to the horizon allows you to see your angle of attack which is what governs whether the aircraft is flying or falling.
On a multi engine jet aircraft with fly by wire controls you don’t have that intuitive feel of what the aircraft is doing although I believe aircraft manufacturers are trying to emulate that in more advanced fly by wire designs.
It’s the loss of that feedback and the overreliance on the automation that is supposed to prevent you from stalling the aircraft that I believe is the problem. Pilots aren’t recognising that the aircraft has stalled and instead of pushing the controls forward to reduce the angle of attack they are keeping the controls pulled back all the way from over 30,000 feed to the water in the case of Air France Flight 447. This was despite the stall warning alarm going off and all the angle of attack sensors indicating that nose was too high and the aircraft was in a stall, they kept back pressure on the controls for almost a minute.
It’s that total lack of intuitive feel for what the aircraft is doing that’s the problem and I believe the loss of this awareness of what the aircraft is doing stems from being too isolated from aircraft as a result of the automation.
It’s called being a stick and rudder pilot and the absolute best of pilots are exceptional stick and rudder pilots not computer operators.
@@Masu_Stargazer Yes i understand your point and agree with you.
@@chrisnoname2725 If you have never flown a glider then from pilot to pilot may I suggest contacting a gliding club and asking them about trying it yourself? I tried gliding as it was only a fraction of the cost of powered flying and a good way to keep your basic piloting skills up. However, I do warn you that it’s very easy to become hooked on gliding. Stooging about the sky on your own in a single seat glider is a phenomenal way to put the problems of everyday life aside for a while.
One day I was in a thermal about 5,000 AGL and climbing when I noticed I had been joined by wedge tailed eagle. At one point it was close enough to the canopy for me to see the mottling on its feathers. We messed about together for about 20 minutes until my feathered friend decide it had no respect for military airspace restrictions.
So I can say that you are literally as free as a bird when you’re flying a glider.
Amazing! Cant believe sam chui and disaster breakdown uploaded at the same time
haha
gd pfp omg
Seems like the plane tried everything to save them despite the pilots insistency to crash it.
great video as Always Chlo
Great video as always.
Great video 💙 thank you
I very much enjoy your content.
Honestly I have wondered if when planes crash in the ocean if anyone has ever actually made it but then passed waiting for rescue?! What a horrible way to go. Just horrible. So happy to hear that the young girl survived, but loosing her mother is awful. R.I.P. to all 152 lives lost due to this accident. ❤❤🙏🏽🙏🏽❤️❤️ I get that the pilots put the plane into the position that in the end killed these poor people. But hearing the controller I wanted to scream. It was like he didn’t speak English usually so he was stuttering at one point I thought maybe he was in between sleep and being awake!! Also could this have been spacial disorientation (I’m so sorry my mind has gone blank). I’m not sure the name. But could it have been they didn’t know what way was up. It was dark sounded like there were no lights at the airport?? Thank you for this video it’s really good to hear that finally someone made it out alive. I wish I could give her a big hug, she’s a true fighter. 🩷🙏🏽
Video title: What were the pilots thinking?
Me: They weren't.
14:43 "I'll push!"
Maybe it means something else in Arabic, but to me it seems like that pilot said he was going to push the nose down (to recover from the stall) only for the other pilot to firmly tell him no.
It's seems like the pilots lack of confidence in the controller, caused a lack of confidence and assertion in themselves and the aircraft, during what is a very complex approach.
Very complex approach? No. Standard way to intercept the ils, just follow the ils down until you become visual, break left and join downwind for a normal circuit. I have to idea what you think is complex about that. Should pilots only be expected to fly straight in approaches without crashing? Standard departure and arrival procedures can be much more complex
@@dann5480 What's your problem? How is my description wrong and how does that seem very complex?
@@chrisnoname2725 Be zen.
The controller sounded drunk. Obviously on duty all day & night against protocol
The approach was straightforward and is something practiced at a pre-commercial pilot level. An instrument approach followed by a circle to land VFR on another runway is part of your instrument training. The ATC while inefficient, provided the required information and certainly wasn't a factor in this crash. This is just poor airmanship, sadly
Great video bro
Really great videos ❤️❤️🔥🔥 which simulator do u use for this simulations ✌️
Really well made video. Thanks.
It's amazing how many of these crashes are a result of pilots instinctively pulling up and cutting the aircraft's speed to stalling levels. Had they limited their climb to say, 10 degrees, they would probably have been fine.
Why didn't the plane automatically pitch down?
This is such a terrifying crash you would almost not want to survive it
Oh weeee, another disaster breakdown. Greetings from BKK 🙏❤️
another lovely video chloe! this crash truly is so heartbreaking. from watching so many videos like this when there's a stall and the pilots fail to lower the nose i'm like nooooooooo...i am no pilot but i do know this haha
Good video🎉
For everybody thats ever wondered about passengers awareness in an incident like this, Bahia said she could feel the plane moving around a bit but, as she looked around, all the adults were dalm and so she assumed everything was normal. Her initial analysis, when she became conscious she was in the water, was that she had been sucked out of the airplane as she was resting her head on the window. She worried that she was going to be in trouble with her mum when she met up with her again.
Always glad to see the crew ages 👍🏾
Really does an approach like that really help. Sounds really mental demanding and overwhelmed their minds. You have to ask what the Co-pilot was doing during the turning approach- his job to monitor the altitude.
honestly surprised the atc wasn't a factor. seemed to have some difficulty expressing himself, whether because he wasn't fluent in english (or as fluent as he needed to be) or cos of smth else idk but it's definitely not good. also hope bahia is doing okay in her life now! great video, as always!
The pilots stalled their plane into the water. How does that have anything to do with atc?
While I agree the ATC’s proficiency with the English language seems sub-par, the ATC’s information and commands aren’t what crashed the plane. It was the pilots’ complete lack of situational awareness and lack of CRM.
i appear to have not made my point very well.
what i wasn't saying was that i think the atc actually was a factor, or that anything other than pilot error and the conclusion the accident report/investigation (and by extension chloe) came to was involved. with minimal experience, that would stupid of me.
what i *was* saying was that in a profession where speed and efficiency are incredibly important, even presumably at 3am at a relatively small airport, that someone with that kind of output was working there and potentially (key word: *potentially*) adding an extra layer of distraction or work on to the pilots. obviously, that didn't happen here. also obviously i don't know this person's life story. maybe it was a bad night. maybe he was left on shift too long and was flagging. i don't know and will never know.
but that was my point. that from the small amount of work i've seen here - and i am conscious i'm judging a person based on a few minutes of conversation/work and the problems that are associated with that - there seems to be potential danger there. *not* that i think i've somehow found the secret true cause, or even that I think there *is* a “true secret cause.”
i hope this clarified things.
@@nyxqueenofshadows I did understand your point. You could tell there was a little bit of frustration from the pilots on how they had to practically fish for getting information from the ATC due to his lack of quality communication.
I don’t think that was the only factor though. I think the pilots were also frustrated that there were no runway lights to help guide them into the airport, which wasn’t the ATC’s fault because it sounds like they just weren’t functional.
At the end of the day, there were two pilots and neither of them noticed the dropping air speed and descent. Their decision to try to nose up 20 degrees while causing the plane to stall is a peculiar one. To pitch the nose up that much with their current air speed was absurd and they should have essentially done a gradual go-around.
The one big concern I have about this flight is the timing of it. Why were they trying to fly into this island this late? From the sounds of it, this is a very small airport that isn’t well equipped for handling red-eye flights. If they were trying to land at a bigger airport that is better equipped to handle this late of a flight, I could understand it…but this airport had trouble written all over it.
@@Toucanbird
"what i *wasn't* saying was that i think the atc actually was a factor, "
"I don’t think that was the only factor though"
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Also, can you do a short video about the a310 alpha floor incidents? Note Tarom 381 and interflug a310 incident due to their similarities
Steven Spielberg wanted to make a movie based on the sole survivor's story, but she turned him down because it would've been "too terrifying"
@@shannonquinn8687 Spielburger?
@@hotel_arcadiatasty
I would have turned him down because he was the wrong director….he would have made a dreary movie out of a terrific story.
I like being able to hear the recordings. Are they not always available?
Imagine getting on a plane with your loved ones and the pilots and ATC controllers are absolutly incomptetant, its just absurd.
Wait. Did one of the pilots yell NO at the other pilot? Are they arguing in the cockpit? You're gonna yell at each other and then call on God to save you? I think we have a cockpit resource problem in a big way.
I think it was a direct answer to the "I'll push" just before that. If the answer was "yes", the outcome would have been different
To be fair, the situation was at that point left up to God.
only Atheists should be allowed to fly.
@@commissary4196 only Atheists should be allowed to fly.
Yep. One pilot wanted to push the yoke forward (the correct thing to do) and the other one told him no.
The graphics are always great. What a miracle that the young girl survived. Those pilots were trying hard to keep the plane flying. Sad.
god, the atc really grinds my gears with how inefficient he is. so frustrating to hear
It sounded like he was having trouble conveying the info in English, though maybe it was more him being really tired and not thinking too quick.
He gave them the information in a perfectly acceptable manner. The pilots were likely hoping a miracle would occur and the wind would drop, allowing a downwind landing.
@@chrisnoname2725 sure, but it still got to me how slow he was
Also note that the incident of Air France 447 and this one is separated purely by 1 month...
So what?
@@mgcruise4054 flight 447 had the same reason for the crash
Thanks for making this awesome video. By the way, can you add subtitles to some of your videos? It would be cool if you add subtitles to older videos. Thank you
Another fascinating and tragic example of an entire cabin crew so tunneled in on one problem that they become inexplicably blind to all else- the GPW and last second go-around seems to have so completely dominated their concern that the airplane SCREAMING at them to stop stalling the plane fell on deaf ears.
I can't imagine, as a total lay person, being in the cabin, hearing and seeing the stick shaker, and shouting at the PF- "up! Up! Pull up!"- it's flying 101, but they seem completely oblivious. Bizarre.
Pilot error doesn't quite cover it. Pilot stupidity comes closer.
Not sure they are stupid. They sounded smart enough earlier in the flight. They seemingly lost situational awereness and became confused. Their reaction to the stall warning was inexcusable though . Also their delegation of cockpit roles with pilot monitoring/flying was breaking down.
@@Anders127 That spells "stupid."
@@Anders127 if they’re ignoring obvious warnings, they sound pretty stupid to me
Even I now know how to handle a jet plane in an emergency now. Even I know how to recover from a stall and re- engage auto pilot . I would even know in part how to handle the flight computer. I suppose the older planes use a flight computer that is about powerful as a cmd 64 or sinclair zx spectrum 8 bit home computer. In fact back in the day when I worked at a famous burger place we had installed a chassis mounted computer which was very very similar to the flight computer you see in old cockpit. This was very very very serious pilot error all day long. Your title is spot on. I am making this comment on the third viewing of this video by myself .. Love all your videos and for a non pilot your data and your productions are very very high quality for the budget you work with. I really hope you get picked up by a mainstream media company soon. Well done.
These pilots must have had very good luck to live as long as they did
8:37 I almost expected the ATC's following lines to be presented in all caps.
Did anyone check what was meant by the wind was less strong on runway 20 than it was on the other runway. In an airport we seem to understand had only 2 parallel runways close together? I suspect there was a land-based wind-speed meter failure??
Small correction: the A300-600 was developed based on the new features the A310 had. A lot of new stuff from the A310 had been incorporated/backported into the A300-600(/R).
This one is just heartbreaking
Hard to believe the captain got a licence.
It’s like he bought it off eBay for £5
@@ZombieSazza no one said he didn't
He did so say sum useful or shut up
ATC dropped the ball
Man there really should be a higher standard and stricter adherence to all pilots and ATC speaking English to a higher minimum standard. I wouldn't have been able to understand hardley anything that ATC guy was saying if it wasn't for the closed captioning.
Thanks
What I don't seem to understand, is why the AP disconnect sound kept going off? Did the crew attempt to re-engage the AP every time it disengaged? AFAIK the AP disconnect sound is only heard when you disconnect it, and it doesn't repeat itself unless you keep disengaging it.
Good point, unless it keeps repeating under dangerous scenarios.
i think it's to do with the fact that it could not be engaged in the situation they were in so the autopilot warning continues until the plane is in a state where the Autopilot can take over.
I'm a commercial pilot myself but have never flown commercially as a pilot in command so i'm just saying what i remember from memory
This doc seems to indicate in a few places that the you turn off AP warnings with the same control wheel button you'd use to disengage the autopilot (e.g., 1.03.31/pg.2)?
www.smartcockpit.com/docs/A310-Autoflight_System.pdf
It happens frequently in these voice recordings, the autopilot keeps giving an alert, I think it's because it tries to engage automatically without pilots intervention
I’m wondering if that’s not the alpha floor warning telling the pilots that the aircraft is attempting to recover but their inputs are contradicting the stall prevention.
The title says it all. The pilots clearly were not thinking at all. Giving out wind direction etc did not seem to be much of a priority for the controller either.
I’ve never heard this many inconsistency’s from a controller. With that he could’ve caused the crash
OMG, thank you. It was painful to listen to this so called controller. Was he drunk??? 😳
@@eddiestanley135 sounds like he is not proficient in English. No offence but imo ATC's should have a high English proficiency
@@boosterboyzaen8323 Easier said than done; not everyone in the world speaks English
@@eddiestanley135 Of course he wasn't drunk
@@ourhandsaretied Never experienced sarcasm before??
Hi Can You Do the Hinton train collision 36 Year later next Saturday
This whole accident could have been avoided if the pilots had executed the published missed approach at the first GPWS warning. That is what they should have been trained to do. I’ve said this in previous videos and I will say it again. Good pilot training is everything. It equals safety.
The plane did his best to survive but idiots in the cockpit managed to kill it along with 152 people.
How much the wind less strong? Is it plenty less strong or only bit less strong?
Should not be watching this half way through a holiday knowing I have to fly next week
Same thing happened to me. I watched the Copa accident video one week before flying with Copa lol
I did the same thing back in the day with Air Crash Investigation lol
Opposite for me. After watching these videos I've developed a much better appreciation for the things pilots, ATC, flight attendants, etc. need to juggle while I'm sitting there enjoying the flight.
Maybe if they spent less time worrying about the wind...
Especially since it was straight down the runway
Flying is still one of the safest ways to travel but when you have idiots piloting a bad aircraft and a bad airline tragedies like this happen
A disturbing presentation-though I ❤ the image of the wonderful 747-Special Performance at: 00:42 ! What a horribly complex initial approach procedure these pilots chose. I understand that any type of circling or side-step approach is now prohibited by most first-world airlines.
I remember this story very well. May the Most High bless the soul of the crew and pax.
ATC had the time for rescue operations for those who have survived the initial impact..... Even though the impact location was very near to the AIRPORT......
sound of the PILOT appeared somewhat sleepy tone .
You have one shouting "go back up!" and another shouting "I'll PUSH", To push would bring the nose down, not up. I wonder if one pilot was trying to raise the nose and another had correctly interpreted what was happening and was trying to lower the nose! Then we hear "no" and "okay". Was it that tragically, the person who had it correct was convinced otherwise? Did events of the stall being too close to the ground utterly confuse the other two in the cockpit that gaining altitude was somehow more desperate than getting airflow under the wings? Someone still shouted "Pull!" near the end.
So near they came, so hopeless far.
How tragic and sad that those kinds of confusions in accidents seem to happen frequently to pilots exhausted in the dead hours of the very early morning/ middle of the night. I feel for them really. In tiredness and eagerness to land they missed one factor, and from that moment on was confused. It was pilot error, but with circumstances not in their favour!
I feel like there was definitely some spacial disorientation at play here with how the pilot was asking about the airport light and with it being the middle of the night.