Falling From The Sky (Air France Flight 447) - DISASTER BREAKDOWN
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Air France Flight 447 vanished from radar on June 1st 2009. For nearly two years questions remained unanswered as the wreckage layed at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean. Just what happened on board Air France Flight 447?
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Loved the piano piece in the background
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Weight, by the way, is the effect of mass being attracted by the force of gravity. So the force pulling the plane downward is gravity (a very weak force). Mass is different to weight because it never changes, weight is determined by the gravity of the large body (although all objects of mass excerpt some amount of gravity on every other object). From this it can be shown that the plane is also attracting the Earth and this is why astronauts feel "lighter" on the moon and totally weightless when they get far enough from the Earth or other bodies to be affected by their gravity. This stuff is pretty complex but it's gravity alone that keeps planets in orbit around our sun. Which makes you think what the weight of sun (which is largely hydrogen and helium!) actually is.
@@marcdraco2189 many thanks to both you the narrator for the excellent explanation about aerodynamic stalls. When other channels ask for ideas I’ve often said I’d like to know more about stalls and accidents they cause, but I guess it sounded boring as an idea 😊. On a Discord server run by one RUclips pilot, other pilots have given vague explanations, but I guess they think I’m too stupid to understand maths equations or the basis of aerodynamics. Both you and the narrator’s explanations were the best I’ve found, although like you, I questioned the idea that gravity played no part in a plane needing to generate lift. It has to! OK I think Disaster Breakdown was trying to emphasise how little a part it played compared to weight, but gravity is *everywhere* (a common misconception is that there’s no gravity in space).
I gather there are two types of stall. It always puzzled me because as a car driver, a stall was when the engine cut out and I couldn’t understand how a plane could stall without this happening. You’ve helped a lot, as did Disaster Breakdown’s narrator. Rather than skipping over the subject, he went into it more, which meant you responded and that’s good 👍
This is one of the most tragic airline disasters. Mainly because of how avoidable it was.
Well stated...👍
I bet you there have been countless times where such disasters have been prevented. Unfortunately, due to laws or probability, such incidents are bound to occur.
@@CrackerSmith Murphy's law
The law of sod, unfortunately.
I find most aviation accidents are like that unfortunately
This is imo one of the worst pilots errors ever to happen. This is the closest a pilot error can become to willful negligence.
Absolutely
You're thinking of gross negligence. I agree this was an exceptionally ignorant mistake, but the man died. He did not intend to crash his plane into the ocean. Furthermore, he did not *intentionally* forgo any safety procedures in the interest of an ulterior motive - he made a mistake while trying to ensure the safety of his aircraft. His mistake may have been exceptionally stupid, but it was not stupid because he didn't care about safety - it was stupid because he panicked and was badly trained. If, perhaps, it came out that he had willfully subverted training procedures and performed badly for that reason, then it's gross negligence. Otherwise, it's just a man making an obvious mistake and paying the price.
@@noahj.1232 which is why I said he didn't do it on purpose but was without a doubt the most incompetent pilot in the seat, stalling a plane for 5 minutes takes exceptional stupidity that cant be explained by a lack of training or anything. He was trained in crm and stall recovery yet failed as a human being 100%. He killed 227 people by himself.
@@iliasemmanuil There have been far too many instances where pilots have killed everyone on board because they have made decisions that they *knew* were unnecessary risks and they made those decisions in far less hectic environments. An inexperienced first officer making a rookie mistake in a scenario that he never trained for, however basic, is not in the same league as gross negligence when a pilot willfully compromises flight safety in the interest of an ulterior motive (eg. taking off on time or not wanting to divert). The *intent* of the first officer was never to compromise flight safety, even if his actions were the primary reason for the crash. That's the difference. The competence of the first officer was clearly low, but his intent was pure.
Bonin is not entirely to be blamed here. The captain should have been present in the cockpit and not take his break during such a crucial stretch of this long flight. By the time he came back into the cockpit it was too late and the plane was already at the point of being unrecoverable. Had the captain been in the cockpit when the auto pilot first disengaged, he would have been able to make the correct adjustments or at the very least, instruct his junior pilots on what to do in that situation.
"I held back the stick this whole time."
Yeah that happens.
"If I do this the airplaney goes up!"
“YOU WHAT?!”
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I bet he won’t do that again!
@@krozareq 🎉😂😢😊😊😊😢
Literally the only experience I have flying is in GTA and even I can tell you you don't CLIMB during a stall
My knowledge of how to fly a plane is limited to cockpit re-enactments from Mayday… and even I knew that
They didn't believe that they were in a stall though.
🤣👌🏽
@@5wheels178 Which is insane considering the fact they were falling out of the sky
@@5wheels178 Yeah I think there's pretty much a difference between seeing your plane in 3rd person with horizon and ground and being in 1st person cockpit perspective in a pitch black void where you don't know if your altitude or your speed meters are delivering correct data
1 of the reasons this crash is so tragic, is that stall recovery is aviation 101. I was taught how to both identify the characteristics of a stall as well as proper recovery techniques after only 10hrs of instruction!! What an absolute shame.
Same here. Instructor took me up and I did hours of stall recovery.
@@DisasterBreakdown yup...1 time my instructor outta nowhere pulled back on the yoke & chopped the throttle to idle all of a sudden. We were in a power off stall in maybe 3sec & he's like "what do ya do??" I'm like "uh...uh...lower the nose, pitch for best glide speed, look for a field!!" He said "all good 'cept for that last part seeing as how we're over the ocean genius." We gotta good laugh outta that, ha 😂. He did that more times than I would've liked but he was driving home the point of how that aspect of flying is absolutely CRUCIAL!!
But that wasn’t the point.
@@peteconrad2077 so what was the point, enlighten me... I'm not bein' a jerk either; if I missed the point I'd honestly like to know what the point I missed was.
Pete Conrad...That's a rather famous name. I don't suppose I'm speaking w/the ORIGINAL Pete Conrad am I?
I used to work with a French guy who was close friends with some of the family of Bonin, the first officer who caused this crash. I didn't know this when I read the report in 2012 (after the black boxes were found), so I struck a conversation with him asking if he'd read about it. He told me about his friends and how devastated they were to learn - years after the disaster in which they'd lost a family member - that he was the one mostly responsible for it. It changed a family tragedy with grief and loss into tremendous guilt and my coworker said they wish they had never learned about it. They went from yearning for answers to being shocked by what happened. I'm sure it also can't have been easy to learn this for the families of the other passengers and crew… what a shame.
A clear half full cup of water ,a Plum-Bob,something to show them what was happening,simple redundancies can never be excluded.
This disorientation can happen to anyone not prepared for it and caught off guard.
Often these perfect "factors" is how majority of accidents occur ,and experience would have helped.
Anyone who has played video games or Ocean Dived should understand this disorientation.
Yes it is mind-boggling how this can happen and how seemingly easy mistakes could kill so many people. But we have to keep in mind that we have hundreds of millions of cars on roads and only a few seconds of missing concentration can lead to easy mistakes wich could kill anybody, no matter how safe you personaly are on the road.
We are always depending on the right decicions of other people, but we often forget that.
And these easy mistakes wich lead to horrible grief happen on a daily bases.
Typical french arrogant and rude no wonder he was responsible
@@aldenunion A cup of water or a plumb bob is only going to show you what you are already feeling. That's why they use more sophisticated instruments that aren't affected by g-forces.
@@rmkilc Yes I understand but just Nod on how fast it can go awry.
Panic and faulty maintenance are the worst enemy's of humanity up in the sky.
Now with different radars it is much safer ,while even a insect clogging a port can ruin that confidence.
Just placing myself within the moment can cause that desperation for a quick solution.
You are correct though..Salute..
Something you never want to hear when flying "Catastrophic pilot error"
I think you can stop at "catastrophic" - because nothing that comes next is going to be any good.
This is the most frustrating total-loss airline crash to me. How one man's complete stupidity killed so many. I grit my teeth in anger when I think about it. I assume he had no ill-will or malice in his heart at the time, but it's so aggravating that he made such a basic error, when mistakes like that are supposed to be trained completely out of you.
I know nothing about aviation, only what I watch from these videos, but I agree. People are defending his actions, saying “he didn’t do it out of ill will”, and I get that. He was not a bad person. But there’s no excuse for such a stupid mistake, in my eyes.
At least he'll never do it again
@@RoryADTR pity he took out 100s of people with him
Exactly. Everyone makes mistakes and has lapses of judgement, and being a pilot is tough but... you've got hundreds of people's lives in your hands, the stakes don't get much higher. How does someone screw up this badly for this long? How did the other two pilots not work it out before 10,000 feet? Absolutely tragic.
Extremely frustrating... not only that he held the stick back for so long, but also that he failed to communicate to the other pilots what he was doing before it was too late...
Of all of the crash documentaries I've watched, this case is by far the most frightening!
1.) For the passengers, there was no warning.
2.) You've put your life in the hands of someone that has NO IDEA what they are doing!
I like to believe his blatantl incompetence was a result of poor rest (perhaps he didn't rest up well before making the flight) and/or some sort of panic attack brought on by the stressful situation, causing him to cling to base instincts rather than rational thought.
Also, did the Relief pilot not communicate at all with the FO? Like, you'd think the second he siad "I'm pulling back", a competent pilot would assume control.
I choose to believe it was these situational factors that caused his failure, rather than facing the idea that Air France took this moron and said "Yeah, let's let him fly"
At least the passengers had no knowledge up until impact, in which death was instant.
@@justinwallace390 Yes, water is very hard when you hit it fast enough.
Agree. In the middle of the night, over the Antlantic ocean… scary. Don’t forget the crash of German wings in the Alps. Horror
@@justinwallace390 I'm sure more experienced frequent fliers had a very uneasy feeling that something was not right.
Bonin had no business being on that flight deck with that kind of behaviour.
The captain was absent
@@kirilmihaylov1934 so? Pilots are taught very very early on what a stall is and how to correct it. This was inexcusable.
Yeah, there was no reason to pull the nose up. None of the instruments seem to have indicated that this was necessary.
The only explanation I could muster is that the FO was disoriented and had some kind of panic attack, which made him try to escape the weather by climbing while ignoring all warnings.
@@kirilmihaylov1934 And? That's why they had the relief pilot. For one of the pilots to take a break mid-flight which is literally routine in a flight.
@@Supremxcyxi you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Even if the nose up didn't cause a stall and the plane was actually climbing like Bonin wanted, how high was he planning on going?
mans wanted to go to the moon
I think since the plane kept falling, he thought pulling back/putting the nose up would take them higher??? But according to everyone that's ever trained in flying you're taught that's wrong on day 1, so idk, silly mistake I guess
@@pey5571 Well hopefully for his mistake he ended up getting higher than the moon...
@@divyatulsi1520
It takes you higher but you lose speed whereas pushing down gains speed
@@relaxing0130 oh okay, well seeing as he never stopped pulling back (which takes you higher), I guess the flight must've only disappeared because he managed to fly so high he landed on the moon
"Pilots only have to fly a few minutes each flight." So, in other words, Bonin having "807" hours in the A330, meant he REALLY only has about 12 hours of flying time and 795 hours as a cockpit passenger.
Scary to think that these "airline pilots" are not much more experienced than the passengers. I have 5 flight hours through lessons. The very first lesson the instructor taught me about stalls.
@@sleepyrasta14820 Haha that's not how it works
It's a big problem with Airbus. Their planes are way too automated. It's not the first or last time that lack of experience actually flying has caused an airbus to crash.
@@pax6833 And Boeing doesn't have issues with automation ... at all? Increasing automation has been bemoaned across the industry for a while now and it has not been exclusive to Airbus.
I personally find it interesting that there appears to be a certain subset of the aviation community that is intent on blaming Airbus aircraft and Boeing pilots ... even if the issue is ultimately the Airbus pilots or the Boeing planes. Personally: The much vaunted value of "actually flying" the plane is overrated as it is not a good thing if a pilot of one manufacturer has more "hands-on" experience with faults and issues than another ... if you think about it. Otherwise I would very much be interested to hear what type of experience you gain that is applicable in the event a fault occurs.
However if we look at the numbers: They are pretty similar when it comes to fatal accidents involving pilot error regardless if it is an Airbus or Boeing aircraft so it seems that there isn't a significant difference there. Other numbers are a bit more lopsided but that is not necessarily the fault of the manufacturer.
@@pax6833the problem is not Airbus aircraft, it’s the lack of training. You can’t blame a properly functioning plane for the negligence of poorly trained pilots. Aircraft are automated in many ways exactly to enhance safety so particular things can’t happen. Even so, things can be manually changed if need be during a flight. If a pilot thinks the speed isn’t showing accurately, you never pitch the plane up. And getting out of a stall should be something every pilot knows how to execute without issue. It’s easy to blame the aircraft manufacturer but automation is there for a reason
This story is especially tragic because it illustrates how difficult it can be to think logically, rationally, and clearly when one doesn’t comprehend the incoming data. Ideally the other FO or captain would have been able to size up the situation prior to the crash but perhaps no one noticed that the right seat FO was keeping the plane in a nose-up position, until it was far too late to recover.
In cockpit vocal records it was clear both FO and his co pilot think the plane is autopiloting itself.. It was shown earlier when they hit the thunderclouds and get hit by icy rain, the FO says "Luckily we are on A330" implying that the plane stabilize itself due to autopilot, and it was clear at that moment he is a little bit nervous if he can control that plane in such condition... Then Co Pilot suggest the FO to turn a little bit to the left to avoid that thunderclouds.. When they are losing altitude the Co Pilot simply overwhelmed by the FO keep saying he's not the one who control the plane, suggesting the airplane autopiloting itself and making all the Data airplane shown to them seems obscure.. when the Captain is back, They already falling in high speed but since FO use full throttle to try lift the airplane, the Captain think it was because they flying in high speed not falling in high speed...
And yeah it's all too late when FO tell them he held the stick back this whole time... As you can hear the co pilot demands to give him a command over the stick and the most terrifying thing is at the last moment before crash That FO says "we'll going to crash f**k, I can't believe it".
Such a pure stupidity of piloting in there..
@@pahlevidewa226 I saw an episode in utube (mentour pilot probably) where he explained the phenomenon of partial incapacitation from sudden increase of workload and tention ( the incident involved a recent a350s FO), I think the FO here encounter similar situation.
@@chakraborty1989 mentour is the best
This is a perfect illustration of getting too excited and missing the details... OR maybe assigning a $1000 solution to a $0.99 problem. The incapacitation due to workload and tension is a thing, but usually your brain simply shuts down to a "freeze" state... You'll sit there and mumble incoherently or repeat one phrase over and over again, doing nothing...
Bonin got excited and didn't seem to notice he WAS controlling the plane. The other co-pilot was similarly excited and didn't even think to suggest testing for control on the side stick to see what's what... It's hard to say exactly when Bonin started thinking about the side stick again... It's always worth suggesting, "Test what you CAN do." and push the stick forward and pull it back to check for pitch control, side to side for both rolls under control... AND then even fart with the rudder and see if that's under your control... In which case, you can stabilize the craft and keep flying without too much regard for the indicated air speed, just keeping the horizon indicator as level as possible and continue to examine the data at hand for quality as well as quantity.
Just like on planes, motorcycles are self correcting IF you let them. They're even surprisingly good at it. It's amazing just how many people forget that part and get into a fight with their bike or plane, and one thing about fighting with a machine... It's a losing proposition nearly every time.
SO instead of the $0.99 problem of Bonin pulling on the stick, which could be solved as easily as "Try centering the stick. See what that does." The two co-pilots decided to assign a $1000 problem "Our instruments are broke and the plane's gone batshit crazy." Inventing reasons to get more and more excited with every passing minute... until it was too far out of control to recover.
Remember, the first step in handling a crisis in midair is to STOP whatever you're doing, take a breath, and wind your watch. Watch winding is meditative. You have to use a delicate touch and feel the springs tension up... That means the secret to all this crisis stuff starts with "CALM THE F*** DOWN." ;o)
I’ve commented on another 447 video - while it’s comforting to think most of the passengers we’re asleep the whole time and had no idea anything was wrong that i doubt is the case. Watch the flight data on this flight. Between the sever angles of flight - the engines jamming from cruise to full throttle repeatedly - the plane shuttering and rocking from falling and the sound of the stalled air hammering into the wings / fuselage, everyone on that plan knew something was terribly wrong. I often wonder if anyone brought up their flight data on their personal screen (I often do on international flights). They would have seen the flight path, speed and alt. Such a tragic accident. I hope the impact was merciful for all.
It's something I often think about. Your description was equally well written and haunting.
In reports of some crashes/incidents it's portrayed that passengers wouldn't even know something is wrong but I seriously doubt that. Even if some of them didn't know what any of these things you described meant, I think people have an intuition far greater than we think. I feel really bad for these passengers and I really hope nobody was looking outside in the last few seconds of the flight to see the most terrifying reality right in front of them.
Whilst the impact may have been painless, the time from realizing there was something seriously wrong to the point of impact must have been horrendous knowing you will not see your family or friends again...
I don't think there were personal screens equipped on that plane back then
@@Enceladus2106no personal screens? Haven't they been on planes since the 1990s?
One would think that *stall recovery* would be the most important part of a pilot's training. The stall warning was blaring for a full 3 minutes and the pilots could see their altitude was plummeting but Bonin thought he could just keep the stick and the plane would eventually gain altitude.
I guess hindsight is 20 / 20 but what he was doing obviously wasn't working. Why didn't Dubois the captain jump in the seat and call _my controls_ after the others told him they didn't know what the plane is doing. From controlled flight to crashing in the ocean in 4 minutes. Tragic!
He was suffering from a startled or shocked psychological state. The brain effectively switches off the newer logical processes and relies on the older more primitive systems. This makes it almost impossible to react logically. It takes specific training to learn how to deal with it this. They hadn’t had that training.
Pilots are seemingly trained in stall recovery at low altitudes, like at take off, that's when a stall is most likely, then they do TOGA which is full thrust, nose up ??. Stalls at very high altitude are a different matter, Bonins reference to TOGA on the CVR shows his confusion and lack of adequate training in this. A plane can stall at high altitude with an AOA of as little as 4 degrees, and the controls in manual at such height need gentle handling. It's clear Bonin didn't know this, shows a lack of training in high altitude flight. This has been commented on by numerous experts.Also a stall at high altitude can become a deep stall, which it might not be possible to recover from even by attempting a nose down. Just to add, the TOGA stall recovery, which I think is " full thrust, nose up" ( to 12 degrees??) is seemingly what Bonin was thinking. He said, " but we are in TOGA , yes ? " , this seems to give an insight into his thinking at that moment, shows he was startled and untrained in high altitude stall recovery. The TOGA procedure is not for high altitudes ? This reflects defects in his training and experience of manual flying at high altitude I think.
@@peteconrad2077 I fully agree with you.
Because the Captain came in the last of the 4 minutes into the room and must have some time to realize what the others were doing...he came from resting...he was startled surely
I remember that Swedish family that never took the same flight but flew with two different planes, one parent and one child in one plane and one parent and one child in the other. So half of the family was already waiting in Paris for this plane to arrive with the other ones. It was father/daughter and mother/son but I do not remember which one survived.
It was the Mother and Son that crashed. The Father and Daughter made it.
omg this is absolutely horrible. imagine waiting for the rest of your family and then getting to know that they crashed ;-;
But at least half the family made it, I've heard of accidents that killed whole families. Maybe I'll copy this tactic once I have a family of my own.
@@c.w.8200 Tbh all members dying is better than half of the family surviving. Nothing will be the same for that father and his daughter.
Also remember that Italian woman who missed this doomed flight only to be killed in car accident a few days later.
This accident will baffle me forever, how does a (co)pilot, with all the years of experience to get into a passenger plane make such a flight 101 mistake? Nose up does not equal "magic up going"/"not down going". I can only imagine what the captain must've felt and thought returning to the situation when the pilot flying said "I had the stick back all this time".
I know it's an old thread... AND I don't know about the captain... BUT I wanted to punch him in the face at that point. ;o)
maybe bonin did coke and enjoyed some brazilian mamacitas the night before the flight.. his brain was jammed
according to the aircraft model design, the side sticks were out of view, meaning that the other pilot despite their experience level won't be able to catch the other pilot's stick movement.
He killed them all. I bet he’s still pulling back on that stick…
I'm Brazilian and was 8 or 9 years old at the time of the crash. I remember how every single night the news would go on and on about that plane because no one knew what happened, eventually, it faded to secondary coverage as other things took the spotlight. I'm 22 now and finally found out what happened, and it's sad how so many people lost their lives due to a mistake as simple as that.
This crash always to me highlights the biggest danger to ever increasing automation in the cockpit or on the road. The younger pilots had been trained more as data systems managers than as actual pilots. Once they lost confidence in the systems, and once the auto pilot disengaged, they lacked the basic flight skills to recognize what was happening with the airplane.
I agree pilots need to maintain their hand flying skills. I disagree with people who argue automation is a killer as it's saved many many more lives than it's taken. Pilots need more hands on flying but removal of automation isn't the answer. The answer? I dunno. Smarter people than me can work that out.
@@change_your_oil_regularly4287 I'm not saying Automation is a killer. But there needs to be a carefully monitored balance between it and actual Pilot skills. The problem is too many younger modern pilots are becoming more accustomed to "Managing the Plane" instead of "Flying the Plane". Automation is and can be a lifesaver. It can catch pilot errors, alert to changing conditions and such. But I'm not sure it can do as much as airlines keep wanting it to, Mainly regarding crew size and payroll. Part of the problem is as Automation increased, they reduced crew size and eliminated the Flight Engineer. While at the same time the Automation is bombarding the pilots with ever more distracting information. To the point where when things go wrong they are struggling to wade through the information overload. I think this is what recently got me thinking about that third man in the cockpit again. Juan Brown on his pilot channel blancolirio just posted an interview with Captain Benham, the pilot of UAL flight 1175, the 777 that lost a turbine blade and engine cowling over a year ago, while over the Pacific enroute to Hawaii. (in an incident pretty much identical to the recent UAL flight that lost the blade and cowling 2 weeks ago over Colorado). Capt Benham was in a bad situation as they were 200 miles out from any land, let alone a runway. And his plane barely had enough thrust to keep it airborne for that distance. They were losing altitude steadily. One of the factors that allowed them to save the plane and reach land safely was that they happened to have a brand new fresh out of school 777 pilot who had hopped a ride in their jumpseat to get some cockpit observation time. This gave them the critically needed third set of eyes and hands to help manage the plane and the communications. ruclips.net/video/J7_lzeY23dI/видео.html
@@andrewtaylor940 it does seem strange though, that once you enter a stall you need to push the nose down. It's one of the first things you're taught in flight school. The pilot knew the nose was up and they were losing altitude, but did nothing about it.
@@adotintheshark4848 I think the pilot thought they were overspeed and in a dive because of the bad airspeed data from the blocked pitot tubes.
@@andrewtaylor940 the tubes had started to function properly, showing dangerously low speed. They also had a vertical speed indicator, I'm not a pilot but both of those (low speed and high vertical speed) would tell me the plane was sinking like a stone, therefore in a stall. I can't understand why people with that much experience couldn't figure that out. The plane was flying just fine, why even add any inputs?
Bonin - "I'm holding the stick back the entire time! Why isn't the plane responding?"
Robert - "I'm holding the stick forward the entire time! Why isn't the plane responding?"
Dubois - "Le WTF"
Robert didnt do that, it was bonin
Bonin and Robert weren't able to see one another's stick movement, according to the aircraft design the A330 didn't have this feature at that time. Therefore one pilot was holding the stick back while the other was pushing the stick forward. Unfortunately, the aircraft was running under the controls of the first officer.@@MM-dm4xj
I don't think it was mentioned in the video, but part of the confusion was that when the plane achieved a large enough nose-up angle, the stall warning alarm would stop. If Bonin stopped pulling the stick back, the nose would drop, and the alarm would sound again. That probably explains why he continued pulling back, though not why he decided to start doing so in the first place.
Why does the stall alarm stop when the plane has an enough nose-up angle?
A year late lol. The reason he started to pull up was because when the pitot tubes froze the speed was shown to drop immensly. The altitude was recalculated and they noticed a 300ft drop. So the FO pulled up to regain that altitude ( the 300ft drop was just a miscalculation.
@@zmba6924 Because the protection and warning systems are only meant to work in a certain range of values. If the values are beyond these they will be disabled because the assumption is that the sensors are broken since these values are so beyond the reasonably expected flight envelope of the plane.
In this case the pilot pulled the aircraft up, causing the aircraft to enter a stall and the stall alert to sound. The usual automatic protection mechanisms were disabled due to the faulty air speed indicators. This allowed the pilot to pull the nose further up. The FO said that he did not have control and the relief pilot announced that he was taking control in response. The relief pushed the nose down to escape the stall but the first officer was still pulling up negating the former. Neither of them noticed the "dual input" warning from the plane.
By the time the captain returned to the cockpit, the angel of attack had reached 40°. A value beyond what the aircraft was expected to encounter and the stall warnings stopped because the computer thought they were false.
Now the captain is faced with: Nose down = stall warning, nose up = no stall warning.
@@davebaton8879So: nose down and a lot of speed then?
This crash is so infuriating.
Command status is a very decisive issue. I have noticed when flying with another pilot with similar experience to me that it is very easy to fall into the trap of neither of us acting as pilot-in-command - we both assume that we have consensus while forgetting to make command decisions. This seems to be the real deadly trap these guys fell into, apart from the temporary problem of limited panel with air speed indicator unreliable.
Good point. Mentour Pilot did a good video on CRM and often points out its importance.
The Airbus control stick system is superb, but one characteristic was that the left and right sticks ate independent of each other. As Sully points out, the left seat pilot is unaware of the right seat pilots control inputs, and vice versa. Robert had no idea Bonin had his stick pulled back. The more experienced Dubois might have worked it out in time, or he might not.
True
I took my first flying lesson at age 13. On that day I was taught how to recover from a stall. We did 3 that day.
these passengers fell asleep that night, and never awoken again, because of pilot error.
Mfers woke up and saw Jesus standing over them on the surface of the Atlantic
@@c.a.whodat ha ha ha imagine the ride down
I wouldn’t call it pilot error, it’s gross negligence
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Edit: This is still one of the most frustrating crashes ever. Listening to the voice recordings (translated) I just want to scream "PUT THE BLOODY NOSE DOWN". After dropping to 10,000ft they were already dead after that point you're listening to dead men. Why the other pilot didn't take control authoritatively & effectively I'll never know. Very sad 😔
You would think when it's your life on the line, being polite would go out the window. "STEP AWAY from the controls!"
@@basedboomer5912 couldn't agree more 👍
I think it's understandable, who would have ever thought that a qualified and experienced FO would be holding the stick in full back during a stall, I'm sure the co-pilot never even considered that his first officer was the one causing the situation.
They did intervene though, the other pilot was pushing down but that caused a dual input and the plane didn’t respond to what he was doing. They also took a fairly long time to realise it was Bonin’s actions causing all the problems so they didn’t actively stop him from making it worse
@@Sukkulents_ 1st. The Other Pilots can't see that FO held the stick back the whole time.. And since airplane stall was a basic knowledge as flying a plane in GTA... the other pilots might think he wouldn't ever do that..
2nd. The FO keeps implying that this airplane is autopiloting itself as he says "I'm not controlling this plane now" "I can't control it".. And the fact that icy rain outside makes freeze the speed receptors, They simply ignore the speed monitor
3. When Co Pilot calls the captain, The FO set Full throttle implying that anything they feeling right now is because the plane is flying at high speed, not Falling at high speed..
It must have been a gruesome experience recovering the bodies after smashing into the ocean and remaining sunk to the sea bed undiscovered for two years. RIP.
They left the bodies down there in the seats due to disintegration fears if they raised them to the surface.Tragic stuff.
@@bladesxboxing1106 I was under the impression they were not going to recover the bodies, due to disintegration fears, and also the difficulty of retrieval.
@@johnkibbey1875 Yeh that’s right.They asked the families and explained the reasons.
I don't claim to be an experienced aviator, but I know that pulling back on the stick for more than a few seconds will result in a stall. The pilot flying probably did so intentionnally as he learned that the computer would prevent this from happening, and would get the plane staright and level by itself; not knowing that with the autopilot disengaged due to the frozen pitot tubes, this would not be the case.
One problem with the sidestick controls is that one pilot cannot see what the other one does, unlike with the central column
And also the Captain's decision: oh I flew us into a thunderstorm, but hey it's time for me to take a nap and leave it to you guys; is not what I would have done in this situation
He was going out late in Rio the night before banging some chick. They didn't tell that on most documentary movies.he should ve been in the cockpit for sure. If he was there this disaster would never happened.
@@kirilmihaylov1934 utter nonsense. He’d taken his wife in the trip.
The issue wasn’t about stall recovery techniques. He hasn’t been trained to deal with the shock factor of an abnormal situation.
@@peteconrad2077 you stupid or what ???
@@kirilmihaylov1934 no, those are the facts. This is the expert view within the industry.
That tropical zone does have some pretty spectacular clouds and, most of the time, they're just beautiful. I have been to Perú many times and flown past them. There is a little break in turbulence after that part before you start getting buffeted by the winds coming off of the Andes.
There was one time in which the plane I was on seemed to lose lift and I say this because things started to float a bit in the tropical zone after we had been flying through some turbulence. I had the flight tracking screen open on the console on the seat in front of me and I saw that we were at 35,000 ft so I knew there was a lot of time to save the plane and that we probably weren't in danger, especially since I was on my way from Perú to Florida and it was a daytime flight. I think the problem was that, to land in Florida, we had to fly toward the approaching hurricane. In any case, we didn't descend too much and we made it there safely but that tropical weather is definitely something to take extremely seriously.
Why being on the way from Peru to Florida and it being a daytime flight would make it safer? I didn't understand that part
"This First Officer was merely a programmer not a pilot at that crucial moment."
Spoken like someone with no idea what he’s talking about.
@@peteconrad2077 Type in "Air France Crash" and "Mayday" on RUclips. The F/O lost his basic instrument flying skills (due to relying too much on automation) at that critical moment. I'm merely reiterating what the accident investigaters and aviation experts have said. MR CONRAD.
As always, great video and great explanation on this accident. The quality and research don't disappoint.
Really like the explanation of the lift equation! And illustrated in a simple and accessible fashion too. Keep it up!
Well explained and extremely interesting
Thanks for your kind comment
@@DisasterBreakdown bad accident
I second this
What's amazing is how the plane only took 3-4 minutes to fall from 38,000 feet. That's a very short time.
sadly it was the fact that a inexperienced person (in this situation) was at the controls, and purely let his panic set in and affect his rational thoughts, combine this with his loss of trust in flight instruments and you have a fatal combination. His biggest mistake was not trusting the things that kept the a330 with the best safety record of any aircraft until that point, it was not as if he had forgotten he had the stick up (he even mentions it in the dying seconds "i had the stick back the whole time", plus he knew how to recover from a stall, it was simply his panicked mind trying to find a explanation for a terrifying situation, and sadly it was content on the fact that the instruments were wrong, when ultimately it was the human in error.
He hasn’t been trained to cope with the effect of being startled like that. This is the key issue.
No, there's not excuse for such a stupid and unthinkable mistake. Laymans with no flight training know how to recover from that situation.
@@ec6843 That's the great thing about the aviation industry though. When they investigate stuff like this where the pilot made some unthinkable errors they don't go home and celebrate with a beer after having found the culprit. They study everything that went wrong and search for ways to make it even better and safer.
I'm pretty sure Airbus had to work on solutions to make conflicting inputs with side sticks more obvious and Air France and airlines all over the world have since increased their CRM training and stall recovery training at cruise altitude, something that wasn't done much before.
@@the_bottomfragger Hah! Be nice to think that Air France actually learned from this....THEY CAUSED THIS ACCIDENT Rubbish training.... Killed these people.
Even I know that stall recovery is covered in basic pilot training. Air France think they can employ anybody at low wages...... This is not one major disaster; Just the third.
@@ec6843 do they?
Good explanation, but I'm surprised that the "dual input" was not highlighted more as I think it played a big factor. My understanding is that in some planes whatever one of the pilots is doing in one of the sticks is replicated on the other stick, but it was not the case on this Airbus. The design of the controls is such that Robert's control stick remained in a neutral position regardless of the inputs that the Bonin was making. Throughout the disaster, Robert did not comprehend that his colleague was continually raising the aircraft nose. Furthermore, as part of the Airbus design, the aircraft has a ‘dual input’ mode. As Bonin continued to pull back on the control stick, Robert is pushing forward; however, in this dual input mode the system averages the control inputs of the two pilots - and the aircraft nose remains too high. without this dual inputs, Robert could probably have identified in time what Bonin was doing wrong...
This is incredibly sad
I'm glad that I found your channel it's very entertaining and informative. Good work keep it up ✌🏻
Really appreciate the deep dive into lift principles. Great video
Great Video once again @Disaster Breakdown.
Your videos have been improving 1 by 1
And the detail has been very helpful 👌
Thank you so much for your kind comment
the best video of all i have seen about this flight, excellent explanation congrats
Thanks for a great episode. I liked the thorough explanation of lift.
im addicted to this! you should so US Airways 1549
@Kevin C Bro we don't care.. the flight Is historical
Tenerife
@@MUFC1933 he’s done that one.
British Airtours flight 28M, that caught fire on the runway at Manchester airport in 1985 would be a good one to do.
There was an entire movie about it already with Tom Hanks.
Does anybody have any idea why the first officer kept pulling back on the stick the whole time without realising he was even doing it?! I mean that seems like beyond just a lapse of judgement, it seems more like temporary insanity.
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Till date, this is the most detailed and interactive short video on this incident. Thanks.
this is a great one too "Chaos in the cockpit" ruclips.net/video/STIc3X_lWwY/видео.html
This was a brilliant video of an absolutely terrifying incident. Well Done
Legend says that Bonin is still pulling back the side stick in heaven.
Edited for typo
@Farhan Siddique Lol 😆
I played a few airplane games in my life and to keep the stick up even in stall is the most stupidest thing I had ever heard, this is truly depressing.
He didn't believe he was stalling.
@@stanner6169 not even with the warnings? and how?
These videos are so incredibly well made!
Your narration is awesome.
Wow I’m crazy early. Addicted to your videos!
Thanks, I'm thrilled you enjoy them
The mystery is how could such incompetent pilots be allowed to fly a large passenger plane?
Chloe your explanation of Aerodynamics is way better than my lecturer during my Diploma days. Thumbs up for that effort. Your explanation in detail in your videos is what kept me coming back. 👍🏻
What an amazing video. The detail was so interesting!
For each case of people knocking on instruments and automation, there's 10 cases of human error. Humans are vastly unqualified to operate complex instruments that require objectivity at all times.
Not sure how automation is to blame here, conclusions are all wrong. If the pilot would have simply trusted the instruments, they'd all be alive. It was him putting the plane into nose-up, not automation.
How do you know, with zero visual cues over the ocean at night, when an instrument that appears to malfunction is working correctly again? The pitot tubes iced up and spurious ASI readings resulted. If you don't trust your ASI it's that much harder to avoid stall speed. (Maybe impossible on instruments - I don't fly so ????)
@@RatPfink66 Why would he have assumed the attitude indicator was faulty? He only needed to keep the plane level, even I can do this and I'm not a pilot either.
If he just held the plane level and then switched on the autopilot when the pitot tubes were cleared, they'd be fine.
You missed the point that the plane was already at altitude and there was zero need to climb.
@@infiltr80r below i link a video that provides some detail and perspective missing in this one. i commented before seeing it.
it does raise the question of how human flight crew can keep up with automated systems that may, or may not, be generating/using spurious data.
ruclips.net/video/6qfG3YITfS0/видео.html
I think you misunderstood the point. It's not that automation is to blame, but rather that pilots became so reliant on automation that they didn't have a clue what to do if automation stopped working for 56 seconds. Automation is great, but that doesn't mean there's no reason to train your pilots to fly without automation.
The stall warning would stop when he pitched the nose up because it would consider the incoming data corrupt, so it would only sound when he pitched the nose down then stop when he pitched the nose up. It gave him inconsistent warnings that reinforced the negative behavior. You're not wrong about automation being better than humans but if the automation is made by humans it can still have the same flaws.
Some people, through fate or goodwill or just sheer blind luck, manage to get through life going through the motions without actually understanding what is going on most of the time. Somehow this guy found his way to being a trained airline pilot without having a complete, intuitive understanding of how to fly a plane. He could push the right buttons and say the right things, but when things went off the map, he found himself with absolutely no idea what he was doing while flying a passenger airliner. At that moment, he did... something. It made no sense, in fact made things worse. Because to him flying was just a disconnected series of steps, to be completed by rote. The actual, interconnected mental construct of physics and the aircraft and... reality itself, was simply not there. As far as he was concerned, pulling back on the rudder the whole time made sense. But he couldn't have told you why, other than "it makes the plane go up sometimes and I don't know why it's not doing it now".
insanity is doing the same thing over and over but expecting the outcome to change. thats what he kept doing until the hull impacted with the atlantic ocean
This was awesomely put together.
Why don’t they provide a complete change of crew? Does the first officer not get any rest? I feel Airbus made a mistake putting the side sticks out of sight - it’s not the first time I’ve heard of a pilot continuing with an inappropriate action until the plane crashes and nobody notices. Assuming the yoke still exists, at least pulling back on that is noticeable, but it seems activity on the side stick is pretty much undetected.
Their artificial horizon was working correctly. Why Bonin pitched 10° up is unbelievable. I think he panicked. In his mind he wanted to fly above the clouds. It's the only thing I can think of.
He apparently thought he was in TOGA, when full thrust and pulling back are correct. He said on the CVR that he thought they were in TOGA.
makes sense.
It’s obvious you put time and care into your videos. I love these and give a thumbs up before I even watch😊
Thank you, I'm thrilled you like my content
Been watching cockpit video's lately. It's crazy to see what pilots actually do up front. Mostly computer monitoring, with occasional manual control. Until sh*t hits the fan. Then they end up on this channel! Just subbed! Looking forward to watching more video's!
Really appreciate the description of the principles of flight regarding lift
Me too.
your channel is seriously underated. might i suggest tho, u should prob put the stall explanation part in a whole other video imo. although i myself found it interesting, it might be boring for some people who are only watching for the disaster breakdown part of the vid. other than that, i hope u have a wonderful day :D
Gonna watch now but isn’t the stall the reason for the crash and thus an integral part of this disaster?
I highly disagree with you. His channel is literally called "disaster breakdown" he can't just randomly *not* explain the crash in each video and why it happened. Makes no sense.
@@shabberplasm32 i mean... he could just say the cause of the breakdown is an aerodynamic stall w/out the whole equation parts. I know some ppl who just skim through those types of explanation in videos. Again, i myself find it interesting but for most ppl who just want the disaster breakdown part, they'd prob click off the vid/hopefully just skip the whole thing altogether. The main purpose of this channel is entertainment after all.
This accident always infuriates me everytime I watch a video about it. It's just unbelievable.
For me the critical moment, the point at which it becomes unrecoverable, is when the F/O asks for control and Bonin says OK but continues to pull back on the stick. Think about it from F/O's point of view, you recognize it's a stall, ask for control, think you get that control, push the stick forward and... nothing happens. In your mind it's gone from a stall to the flight controls not responding to your inputs, you'd think you'd lost total control of the plane- like he says so on the transcript.
Bonin was the F/O. The other one was the relief pilot Robert.
This single best descriptive air crash video I have seen.
Good video, this accident always bugs me with how avoidable it was. Probably also worth mentioning about alternate law. It's my understanding the Airbus under normal conditions would have forced the nose down as an anti-stall technique, but when the AP disconnected due to incorrect speed readings, it put the plane into alternate law which [among other things] disconnected the stall prevention.
Boeing pilots and Engineers jokingly refer to Alternate Law as "Scarebus Mode."
Everyone knows the pilot was primarily responsible. But if you don’t know the the details about what happened in the cockpit, you don’t have perceptive. For ex. The stall alarm only sounding when the stick was pushed forward, but cutting out when pulling back. Sidesticks have almost no resistance, and give no feedback to the other pilot. This happened in the middle of the ocean in total darkness with a severe storm shaking the plane. Then to have the autopilot disconnect with no warning and lose all valid instrument readings in less than one second could cause any human to incorrectly react.
This is my second favorite plane crash mystery. Thanks for covering it!
@ᴡɪɴᴛᴇʀᴍᴜᴛᴇ _ yep
@@lucidityZ thats not a mystery
@@kirilmihaylov1934 the mystery isn’t really what happened. The process of elimination largely solves that, although I always keep open the possibility that something happened which nobody has thought of, but that’s not likely. The real mystery is why. Of course you could argue that this if a phenomena unto itself since so many pilots have crashed their planes for suicidal/homicidal reasons, but staring into the abyss of the human mind is always a mystery.
I'll assume your favourite is Malaysia flight 370, correct?
@@Marceloloeite now that's a mystery yes
You do great videos, but I just want to point out that you are not pointing at the Pitot probes in the picture at 8:12. Those are Angle of Attack (AOA) sensors that measures the planes pitch relative to the oncoming wind.
Air France Flight 447 was a flight that lacked pilots with efficient problem solving capabilities, but I don't blame them. Even the most seasoned of pilots make mistakes like this, check out Birgenair Flight 301.
Please, don't blame the pilots. Blame Air France and Airbus. At the time, there was a common belief that Airbus planes could not be stalled no matter how much you pulled back on the stick. Air France never trained these guys to properly handle that aircraft without its flight protections at such a high altitude.
Why blame Airbus? The stall warning in the A330 at the time activated based on a set speed and pitch limit threshold, and it only activated because the aircraft exceeded such pitch limit and went below the speed threshold.
The aircraft didn't register the speeds and the pitch valid at one point, so that when the aircraft was pitched up, the stall warning did not activate, but when the aircraft pitched down, it activated. There are so many things you guys don't understand and will NOT understand because you're too busy backseat piloting while these guys are dead and taking all the blame for something that wasn't entirely their fault. All I see you guys doing is looking at the covering facts that were given to you by the media.
Bonin could no longer tell if he was descending or climbing for most of the flight, as the vertical speed indicator could not show the true vertical speed (the max recorded was -18600 fpm). Robert, however, unlike Bonin who was seated far forward close to his displays, was seated far back from the PFD in the seat position that would be used to get up and leave, likely wasn't seen by Bonin to be in a position where he could see the instruments properly, and therefore was not seen as ready to fly.
The cockpit environment was in fact very stressful for all three of the pilots, and the two may have even frozen up during the stall because of the sudden onset of it. Factor in that the human brain is also very easily stressed out when it hears a lot of sounds go off at once, like there was here. The structural integrity of the crew resource management was indeed breaking down as the flight crew could not properly communicate with each other.
Remember that the speed indicators failed, so the pilots could have possibly thought that they were overspeeding, and that you guys don't understand how much extra force you need to put on the controls at high altitudes for the aircraft to respond.
PLUS, the indicators weren't even very much valid even after the pitots de-iced, you can clearly see that the aircraft did not stay above 35 degrees of pitch on the way down, its a common misconception about this air disaster because people believe the AOA indicator, which was definitely wrong.
Don't be an inconsiderate asshole and blame the dead pilots (like literally everyone does in these situations), blame Airbus and Air France. Air France's pilots never seem trained to hand fly their planes correctly.
Awesome video i absolutely loved it, if you keep up doing this i hope that your channel will grow a lot!
Edit: i think that a collaberation with Mentour Pilot could potentially get you some more subscribers, as you both provide the same content but from a slightly different angle perhaps. Have a great weekend you too!
Thank you so much!
@@DisasterBreakdown
Daniel is right! Don't hesitate to contact Petter at Mentour, he's collaborated with many others before, I'm sure he'd respond positively, especially since your style is reasonably similar to his. You both show a deep interest in the technical aspects and physics of flight and of what leads to crashes - you're not just emphasising the drama and horror. Also you and Petter treat your audience as intelligent people who can grasp the technicalities - in practice I personally struggle with the mathematics of it, but still I love to have it explained to me.
Great video! Keep up the good work.
Very good video!
I have never flown a plane or any aircraft (though I'd love to!) and even I know that the LAST thing you do when stalling is pull the nose up. This feels like the most obvious thing to me, if you have ANY idea how a plane works. I'm truly shocked that a first officer made such a rookie level mistake.
He probably panicked badly . But others members are also to be blamed. The captain was absent and the other co officer did nothing to save the plane. Huge fuck up by pilots in this sad case .It was a cockpit chaos.
Is not like one is standing up to get orientation.
Pitch dark during a storm, inexperienced and alone in the cockpit may have got him confused and over anxious.
Many Ocean diving or Falling through Ice can lose level perspective.
Truly can happen to anyone when every factor is dead on.
Nightmare!! here...
@@aldenunion Excuse me? "Can happen to anyone"? Are you real? Pilots are supposed to be trained to NOT to react like this man did.
AIR FRANCE DID NOT TRAIN this pilot to react correctly. The guilt, 100% is at their door. I will never fly with Air France in my lifetime.
I remember playing ace combat 3 as a kid that whenever I've tried to go all the way up with the nose, the aircraft did start to stall and the only way to recover from that was to PUT THE F...NG NOSE DOWN to RECOVER SPEED. I knew that this so-called stall condition was the result of keeping trying to pitch all the way up the aircraft, so I find it totally ABSURD that a PF did not knew that. That blows my mind.
Can you do British flight 8, I remembered the exact number now . Love your videos!
"I've had the stick back the whole time"
Well done, stup...
That accident was so avoidable, I'm Brazilian and I remember how sad our country was, as a good part of the passengers was from here..
Why doesn’t anyone consider this crash on purpose? The co-pilot ignored multiple demands to stop pulling the stick back and he ignored all demands. If you look close at the real transcripts, it’s actually pretty clear this crash was on purpose
Because WHY would he crash it.
Hello.. thanks for the videos
RIP
To the passengers and crew of Air France Flight 447
Wait, weight is not gravity? Really?.....
Can you do a coverage of United flight 328? I live close to Denver and idk why but it kinda sparked my attention.
Well done on the video
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought his error caused this. Other reports and even Mayday! Airline Disasters seemed to gloss over this. I was left thinking "What about the guy pulling the stick back?! Was that seriously not a factor?!" I don't blame him completely because stress can make you go stupid.
I only played Ace Combat 3 as a kid and from that alone I know things such as "Go up too much, you're not going up. Go down too much, you're really going down. Turn too much, you're gonna turn alright. To recover from a stall, you must get your plane down. To crash your plane, you must ignore common sense."
Why does captain bonin seem like that one self sabotaging team member on csgo
I love these longer video breakdowns, grey work!
Good content man. I'll make it a mission to tell everyone I know about this channel lol
I think one of the reasons this happened that is not discussed enough is the design of the control sticks. On conventional aircraft both controls are mechanically linked together so one pilot can always feel what the other pilot is doing. The gaming type joysticks Airbus put in move freely from one another. They could have sorted this out sooner if the pilot in the left hand seat would have known immediately what the other guy who did not know how to fly was doing.
Yes, but the thing is, you can always override the other stick by simply press and holding the red button on your stick. If you hold the button for about 30 seconds, the other stick even deactivates.
In my opinion the problem in this case was mainly that no situation assessment happend. What is the problem? what should we do? who is flying the plane?
Because the thing is, this exact problem wasn't something new. It was known that this type of pitot tube under certain conditions can ice up. It happend before, but nobody managed to crash the plane because of it.
@@shi01 well I think the main problem is one of the pilots didn't know how to fly and put the plane into a deep Stall. But yes you are correct there was no clarity about who was in charge. I'm not a pilot but my dad was and I've spent enough time in the co-pilot seat knowing that if nothing else you could visually see if not feel what the other guy was doing because of the control column in front of you. I still think the Airbus design of the controls not being linked together was a factor.
I don’t know a whole lot about Airbus since I flew Boeing exclusively throughout my career. But this accident always confounded me. I cannot understand the actions of the flying pilot. Every pilot is trained not to deviate from his assigned altitude not to mention the fact that he totally botched the stall recovery and maybe didn’t even recognize the stall until it was too late. It was very unfortunate and surprising that it even occurred.
Great video...explained aerodynamics of the wing ...
Well researched and presented. The channel deserves more support!
when it comes to listening to air crahses, there is only 1 voice that trumps yours, which to me, Jonathan Aris' whose voice I have grown up listening to but you work hard and your scripts are detailed and properly researched, sometimes you cover air disasters which don't even have wikipedia pages, so I commend you for finding these plane crahses. Since this channel is called Disaster Breakdown, would you cover non-air related disasters in the future? just curious. TIA
Yes I'd love to at some point. Some other aviation unrelated topics I want to do sometime include, Columbia Shuttle Disaster, Zeebrugge Ferry Disaster, and the train collision which occurred out of London Paddington. There are more potentially, main issue is finding good resources for a reconstruction. It is something I'm looking into though.
@@DisasterBreakdown keep going man. you're cool. thanks for the informational videos and for the high quality of them
@@DisasterBreakdown The Moorgate disaster could potentially be interesting as well, tbh.
@@thomaszinser8714 what was that
I've always wondered what happened when the pilots realised that was it. They never made public the voice recordings.
The captain seems to realise right at the end what's happening but it's far too late. Had he realised about 30-45 seconds earlier and tackled Bonin out of the seat Robert might have been able to regain lift in time and save the plane.
While they didn't make them public they were leaked to the press. They said "we're going to crash. We're all going to die" and then swore a couple times in the 15 seconds or so that they had left.
The pilots briefed that they couldn't climb higher. Then Bonin kept pulling up the aircraft the whole time. How they couldn't figure out they were stalling? It wasn't the lack of training or CRM that caused this crash. Those factors just contributed. The mental capabilities of the pilots crashed this plane.