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Something to note the history channel covered this crash in air crash investigations there were bogus parts in air force one as well! Also there was the false claims about a f16 that passed the plane short before the failure having a affected the plane
Very best of luck for your relocation! 🤞 Sorry to hear you're not feeling 100% for that (shifting is always exhausting, I reckon, even when not crook!) But do hope everything else goes smoothly, and that you're able to grab a little rest & recuperation time somewhere in the holiday period. Thank you for all your hard work and dedication to spreading safety awareness!
Hey Chloe! Great Video as usual! I would like to suggest a (rather unknown) case from France. Air France Flight 296, when an airshow flyover ended in an disaster. Looking forward to hear from you.
See tho that’s the beauty of it, they don’t care if you survive. They already got your money, and they know that survive or no, you ain’t EVER coming back to them again... lol
I am so used to Chloe being a calm, impartial narrator that I nearly jumped at the "Bullshit Technicality" bit...but it does show how passionate Chloe obviously feels about this issue and it is right to bring this to the attention of viewers.
Interesting side note: Initially this crash was thourght to be the result of a bomb or a NATO missile, due to the prescence of explosive residues. Upon further invistigation it turned out to be contaminants from one of the many sunken warships at the bottom of Skagerak.
Believe it or not, counterfeit parts were even found on Boeing VC-137 StratoLiners. Yes, you read that correctly. Air Force One, the most secure flying machine on Earth was at one point not that many decades ago fitted with junk parts.
Wrong. Trump used the 747. His plane was never used during his Presidency. And those problems with fake parts was with the older 707s and not the current planes used by the President. Facts matter. Stop watching Fox News.
@@katherineharvey5663 Humor? If not, he used his 757 "Trump Force One" during the 2016 run, but switched to VC-25 Air Force One shortly after his election. TF1 was under repair and upgrades from 2019 until late 2022. It came out of the maintenance facility, and has only been flown a handful of times since then. Has a new paint job and a "new" engine.
RIP all victims on Partnair 394 🙏🏼 Excellent work Chloe, you dealt all the unbelievable circumstances of this accident with great professionalism 👍🏼👍🏼 Also, get well soon!
The fact that counterfeit parts ever made it into the aviation industry in the first place is truly shocking. The lack of morales from the people knowingly manufacturing those inadequate parts is beyond me...
The parts may on many occasions have been of identical quality but it is all the certification paperwork that makes the genuine OEM item expensive. It’s possible that they they procured faulty un-certificated bar stock materials to machine from. This material if certified would have been hardness tested to verify that it was what it said it was. So they falsely recorded material certs for wrongly classified materials. Two identical bolts may be orders of magnitude different in price because one is covered by verification paperwor whilst the other isn’t. One is a completely known item whilst the other is probably fine...probably. It’s too tempting for some.
Worse part about that fact, as discovered and remarked about in Mayday/Air Crash Investigation, bogus aircraft parts were discovered in the world's most secure aircraft: Air Force One
Yes, it is so unforgivable that counterfeiters would have no regard for lives. They would continue to make and sell to maintenence personnel, and put the fake parts in a plane knowing perfectly well that at some period of time parts would fail. That takes a truly wicked soul.
9:52 Woah! I wasn't expecting you to swear. But to be brutally honest, I completely understand and can't blame you as it's so infuriating how PartnAir were treating this plane.
Really though, my first problem with any of his videos. When taken in the grand scheme of things, I understand his frustration with it - however, it is a perfectly legal and often used method of dispatching with an inop generator. It's not a bullshit technicality, it's a feature, that in normal operation works as intended. It's like saying that dispatching with an inop thrust reverser is a "bullshit technicality" because somebody installed counterfeit brakes on an aircraft. The MEL is there for a reason and, if followed, along with correct maintenance procedures, works fine and is not in any way "bullshit".
@@r.bennettmoreland4924 Yo you got any other similar channel recommendations that leave their emotions aside and describe incidents objectively? I'm looking for more along the lines of Mentour Pilot and people preferably with experience. Cheers.
Certainly an interesting term of "technicality" used in this video; quite unlike many others. Been following this channel since the Selby train crash; keep up the great work!
After the crash of American Airlines Flight 965 in 1995 (covered on this channel), some people went out to the crash site and scavenged some parts, taking them out by helicopter. These parts were later offered for sale around Miami, so American Airlines even published the list of parts and their serial numbers to warn potential buyers not to buy spare parts from a crashed plane. And they weren't small items, they took engine thrust reversers, cockpit avionics and more. Crazy to think these could have ended up in the next plane you're flying in.
Yes that is right, both the 707's Air Force One planes, and several planes used both in the Navy and Air Force had counterfit parts. Partnair 394 still ranks as one of the most influential plane crashes, in how much the avtiation industry changed afterwards.
So, some kind of meta grave robbery then; stealing parts from a crash site that might very well cause another fatal crash. Yikes. Actually, jail isn't a sufficient penalty for such atrocious behaviour. With such a blatant disregard for human life you have revoked your right to exist.
@@Thedrek Some bolts where accepted by Boeing for the 767. We did wing internal inspections. They included head markings and torque proof checks. Some mismarked and sheared bolts were found.
Isn't that technically stealing... or grave robbing? Not to mention tampering with evidence. If these subhumans were ever caught I really hope they were put away for life.
you swearing was Priceless x) it makes all the sense in the context of the video, and with how passionate you are about aviation accidents. Thank you for being an integral part of my saturday Chloe
They weren't counterfeit. In most cases, they were the results of manufacturing errors. The FAA made a bigger deal out of it than it needed to and made criminals out of people that hadn't done anything wrong.
It’s a real shame that the people who make the money decisions i.e. the ones who decided to cut the costs/corners never get killed in the resulting crash/disaster or go to prison for many many years 🤬
@@pickleman40 Exactly, one of the extremely rare times one of those directly involved in corner cutting got his just desserts and died himself in the accident. We should realize not just the tops of the company are complicit, but the managers that work under them as well.
Have to admit, hearing it was launched in 1953 and still flying made me goggle a bit! 😬 Am I right in thinking that planes were generally flown for longer lifespans then, though, given there wasn't yet the clear understanding of how repeated flight cycles cause cumulative damage...? (That sort of longer life cycle still seems to be more common in smaller planes even these days too...?)
@@anna_in_aotearoa3166 propeller passenger planes of this type generally fly lower and slower than say a jet so the effect of fatigue doesn't took hold nearly as quickly
Not insane. Common in both military and civilian air operations if they are correctly maintained and overhauled. They are not automobiles, they are well engineered aircraft.
@@anna_in_aotearoa3166 Having flown in a DC-3 built during WW2 just a few years ago, it is amazing. It's grounded, but only because they couldn't afford a complete engine replacement/rebuild.
Its amazing how the engineers who design aircraft know down to the minute specification, which grade of metal is required to safely execute a function aboard the plane. They even take the trouble to warn maintenance crews not to use certain types of parts because they know the limitations of the aircraft they have built to the slightest detail. In other words, not all fasteners are the same. A particular grade of steel for the Convair's rudder was chosen by the manufacturer because only they knew what kind of stresses are experienced on that part of the aircraft.
I remember watching the Air Crash Investigation episode about this incident. According to them, it was discovered that the counterfeit part problem had grown so bad that when the investigation was in full swing in the aftermath of this crash, they even found counterfeit parts on the two planes that function as Air Force One (I think they were the old 707-based planes back then, not the current 747s)
Another well researched and thorough video. I look forward to seeing a new video up. Thank you for your work. I am sure everyone watching appreciates your work.
And that right there is a perfect example of the “Swiss Cheese Model” model where a highly specific combination of factors line up in precisely the right way as to result in disaster.
your channel is a big part of my interest in aviation as a lifelong career, i have the pleasure of working with charter and private pilots daily and it’s a fascinating industry that takes a great deal of knowledge and years of hard work to perfect. thank you Chloe! 🛩️
You make it sooooo much more engaging and value adding🤍💙👍🏼 by also concentrating on the nuances and rhe backstory. The effort shows in your productions👌🏽 🙇🏻♂️appreciate it🙏🏼
This is right up there with the crash caused by someone smuggling a crocodile into their carry-on luggage. The company was BEGGING for a crash. They should have been shut down YEARS before.
"BS Technicality" I love your channel. Hooked! I have learned so much about aviation from you, my father was a private pilot, my brother is a private pilot and my nephew trains for FedEx. He flew in Alaska for years and then was a commercial pilot. I've learned more from you than I ever did from them!!!!
You didn't give the airplane type enough credit. You seemed to give the listener the impression that the Convair 580 was an inferior airplane.. wrong. The 580 was on it's second of three lives...the first in being the back bone of many of the worlds major airlines as the "Convairliner" and piston powered model 340 or 440. As the jets came on, the 340/440 were converted into the Allison Turbo-Prop engine. A similar Turbo-Prop powered type being the Convair 600, using Rolls Royce Dart engines. But, those were only used in the smaller Convair 240 twin... and many are still flying in cargo roles.. as 340-440-580. Do some research, this shit helps the story a lot.
Oh could you do continental express flight 2574 and emery worldwide airlines flight 17? both these flights crashed were also caused by maintenance errors on different parts of the planes!
I am a retired airline pilot. Regarding running the APU to substitute for a broken generator, it was an approved practice at my airline, a major U.S. airline. However, there was a time limit on repairing the broken generator. You could not use the APU as a substitute indefinitely.
APU use in-flight varies between aircraft types. On the EMB-120 and CRJ, we could use the APU in the air or on the ground without restriction. The LearJet 60's APU, on the other hand, won't even run when airborne. I don't know what the story is with the turboprop Convairs.
Imagine having flown in the accident aircraft on the previous flight, just before the accident flight, and feeling the vibrations. Then you find out that those vibrations were a symptom of what brought the plane down... That has to mess with your head. "Ugh. Flying is for droids."
Thank God they were able to get the bad parts under control with the perpetrators prosecuted. Making screws and nuts is no child's play. 😵 I pray you feel better soon. 🙏
Great video as always DBD! I know you probably don’t take requests, but if you are open to it, you think you can make a video on the 1979 Dniprodzerzhynsk mid-air collision? I feel you’d be the perfect person to find information on it. Thanks!
Who the hell do they actually get to fly these dangerous planes? Great job Chloe! Very thorough with the back story of the counterfeit parts and disgraceful maintenance.
Great detailed video. I am most definitely not defending Partnair but the "Bullshit technicality" isn't that bullshit actually. I believe that planes nowadays are allowed to dispatch with an inoperative Engine generators as long as the APU stays on during the flight and the APU generator is used. I'm pretty sure this is a common practice on the A320.
That said I don't know if this was the case back in the day and was obviously not a good idea on this aircraft seeing the condition of the APU/mounting.
It's SCARY to think that bogus parts were being sold to companies like this. Partnair had bought the parts for cheaper, under the assumption they were up to spec, and as a result people died because of that.
The contributing factor of the apu , reminds me of how the misuse of a ground based apu or ground power unit or auxiliary power engine servicing a two seat aircraft caused 134 deaths , anyone who doubts the math is encouraged to look up USS Forestal 29 July 1967
Convair never built a 580 they were all later third party conversions mostly Pacific Airmotive. Very common thru the US. Spent quite a bit of time on them back in the day.
It's because management likes to hire buddies in the maintenance departments I've always needed for assistance in the places I worked at. In the badly run companies: The good guys never last, always leaves and become independent contractors that end up being contracted by the company at 4 times the price. Once they can't be afforded, the cats in the office makes a mess of it.
Interesting breakdown on the Partnair 394 disaster! This case is again spoken of in Norway as a documentary about the incident aired today on Viaplay, where they ask questions about a F-16 that may have been flying and gone super sonic right by the Convair. About the maintenance, the company did follow every required maintenance programs that they were obligated to, which also the D-check proved. It was an old aircraft that had at least 8 previous owners that had made changes without dokcumenting it. But Partnair did everything they were suppose to do, eventhough bogus parts were used. When they found bogus parts on Air Force One, it's beyond me to figure out how a small, struggeling company like Partnair were suppose to discover this when even maintenance at Kenowa Flightcraft didn't discover it during the D-check. Anyways, an interesting case I'm researching at the moment for a new podcast, and this episode (and channel, really) is a super source for information that is broken down in a way that focus on the factual evidence. Thank you, Chloe, for a good and informative episode!
I never liked flying and no longer use flights to go anywhere. We drive or take the train, which we love. You can get up and walk around on a train, bring some snacks with you. Just much more freedom. And if i am going to be in an accident i would much rather be on the ground when it happens.
Was this commuter airline alone in its neglected maintenance? I was on a taxiing American Eagle flight in 2009 when I insisted that I was getting off this plane before it took off--with or without returning to the gate--because of smoke and smells in the cabin and vibrations. The captain initially intended to take off! Other passengers concurred, and even the flight attendant was scared. We returned to the gate for another plane. 😳😳😳
Great vid as always! I'm just curious how these parts ended up in the plane. Was it previous owner who put them in? Did their own maintenence crew do it? Who ordered them and were they aware of them being counterfeit?
It would be quite interesting to see one of your fantastic videos about what appears to be a rather forgotten accident; Mexicana flight 940 is the deadliest involving a 727 and the deadliest in Mexican history.
It Came A PartnAir! What a terrifying experience for those poor crew and passengers That company in Canada must have had some lousy standards as well as PartnAir's appalling standards.
Pilots who fly a plane knowing there’s issues rather than refuse to take it air borne are nothing but cowards. I’d rather walk away and lose my job than potential kill my self for my boss.
"For the airliners, counterfeit parts were more common than thought" -> They bought for cheaper instead of paying the manufacturer's price, but yeah, it was more common than they thought.
Hello Chloe it’s the MapleLeaf again, I am actually not in my home town I’m still in my country Australia just in New South Wales not in Queensland. Nice seeing content still being produced and seeing accidents never in my life I have heard. Still in New South Wales for the next 3 ish weeks enjoy it! Edit: Just to add, Partnair 394 was not only the deadliest accident involving Norway but Denmark as the accident unfolded in Danish airspace
I noticed quite a few comments about the use of “bullshit technically” Honestly it’s the most accurate term. That plane should have been grounded. But technically it was complying with all applicable law.
Flying with the APU running shouldn't be branded a bullshit technicality. It would've been safe were it not for the poor state the plane was in and only the generator was out.
A slight correction: Partnair Flight 394 was not the deadliest accident in Norway, that title would go to Vnukovo Airlines Flight 2801, 141 people were killed in that crash Also Partnair Flight 394 did not even crash in Norwegian Waters, it crashed only 18 kilometers north of the town of Hirtshals, which is in Denmark
Counterfeit parts .... They are probably much more prevalent than is suspected. About 20 years ago I bought a box of wood screws from a well-known chain of stores, and twisted four of them in half, just with a screwdriver in one hand, one screw after another. Hobby project derailed until I found real screws. Now I mistrust all wood screws, and probably should mistrust a lot of other metal accessories. My delayed project was an inconvenience, but shipping counterfeit to be used in machinery is intentional manslaughter or worse.
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Great video as usual, Chloe! Do you think you'll make a video about the 1983 Madrid Airport disaster before year's end?
Something to note the history channel covered this crash in air crash investigations there were bogus parts in air force one as well! Also there was the false claims about a f16 that passed the plane short before the failure having a affected the plane
Very best of luck for your relocation! 🤞 Sorry to hear you're not feeling 100% for that (shifting is always exhausting, I reckon, even when not crook!) But do hope everything else goes smoothly, and that you're able to grab a little rest & recuperation time somewhere in the holiday period. Thank you for all your hard work and dedication to spreading safety awareness!
Hey Chloe! Great Video as usual!
I would like to suggest a (rather unknown) case from France. Air France Flight 296, when an airshow flyover ended in an disaster.
Looking forward to hear from you.
“Welcome to “Hand-Me-Down Airlines!” We hope you survive your flight.”
Lol
See tho that’s the beauty of it, they don’t care if you survive. They already got your money, and they know that survive or no, you ain’t EVER coming back to them again... lol
They didn't care if their crew survived either
Welcome to ryanair
We hope you survive your flight
@@SofnerovAVRyanair is the most rubbish airline
I am so used to Chloe being a calm, impartial narrator that I nearly jumped at the "Bullshit Technicality" bit...but it does show how passionate Chloe obviously feels about this issue and it is right to bring this to the attention of viewers.
Me too. I wasn't prepared to hear her swearing, but it genuinely highlights just how infuriating this situation was.
Ha same here
Chloe 🤦♂️😂
wait is she trans or smth
@@azzzk6246 Yes, she's transgender.
Interesting side note:
Initially this crash was thourght to be the result of a bomb or a NATO missile, due to the prescence of explosive residues. Upon further invistigation it turned out to be contaminants from one of the many sunken warships at the bottom of Skagerak.
"The Bullshit Technicality'' was so bluntly put, thank you.
The matter-of-fact intensity of Chloe’s delivery of the phrase “the BULLSHIT TECHNICALITY” makes this video.
Believe it or not, counterfeit parts were even found on Boeing VC-137 StratoLiners. Yes, you read that correctly. Air Force One, the most secure flying machine on Earth was at one point not that many decades ago fitted with junk parts.
I heard about that too
That's why Trump had his own plane
Wrong. Trump used the 747. His plane was never used during his Presidency. And those problems with fake parts was with the older 707s and not the current planes used by the President. Facts matter. Stop watching Fox News.
That's horrible.
@@katherineharvey5663 Humor? If not, he used his 757 "Trump Force One" during the 2016 run, but switched to VC-25 Air Force One shortly after his election. TF1 was under repair and upgrades from 2019 until late 2022. It came out of the maintenance facility, and has only been flown a handful of times since then. Has a new paint job and a "new" engine.
The swearing was so unbelievably appropriate, Chloe. It really said it all.
if you're compensating safety for profit to keep your company afloat, your company *shouldn't be afloat*. great video, as always!
RIP all victims on Partnair 394 🙏🏼
Excellent work Chloe, you dealt all the unbelievable circumstances of this accident with great professionalism 👍🏼👍🏼
Also, get well soon!
HE done a good job
@@Ben-ks5bmgrow up really. Smfh. Child
The fact that counterfeit parts ever made it into the aviation industry in the first place is truly shocking. The lack of morales from the people knowingly manufacturing those inadequate parts is beyond me...
The parts may on many occasions have been of identical quality but it is all the certification paperwork that makes the genuine OEM item expensive. It’s possible that they they procured faulty un-certificated bar stock materials to machine from. This material if certified would have been hardness tested to verify that it was what it said it was. So they falsely recorded material certs for wrongly classified materials.
Two identical bolts may be orders of magnitude different in price because one is covered by verification paperwor whilst the other isn’t. One is a completely known item whilst the other is probably fine...probably. It’s too tempting for some.
Worse part about that fact, as discovered and remarked about in Mayday/Air Crash Investigation, bogus aircraft parts were discovered in the world's most secure aircraft: Air Force One
Yes, it is so unforgivable that counterfeiters would have no regard for lives. They would continue to make and sell to maintenence personnel, and put the fake parts in a plane knowing perfectly well that at some period of time parts would fail. That takes a truly wicked soul.
9:52 Woah! I wasn't expecting you to swear. But to be brutally honest, I completely understand and can't blame you as it's so infuriating how PartnAir were treating this plane.
Really though, my first problem with any of his videos. When taken in the grand scheme of things, I understand his frustration with it - however, it is a perfectly legal and often used method of dispatching with an inop generator. It's not a bullshit technicality, it's a feature, that in normal operation works as intended.
It's like saying that dispatching with an inop thrust reverser is a "bullshit technicality" because somebody installed counterfeit brakes on an aircraft. The MEL is there for a reason and, if followed, along with correct maintenance procedures, works fine and is not in any way "bullshit".
@@r.bennettmoreland4924 *her. She came out as trans last year.
@@robertmcghintheorca49 my absolute apologies and upmost respect to her for my ignorance of her pronouns
@@r.bennettmoreland4924 Yo you got any other similar channel recommendations that leave their emotions aside and describe incidents objectively? I'm looking for more along the lines of Mentour Pilot and people preferably with experience.
Cheers.
@@robertmcghintheorca49 can you also address what bennett said besides the wrong pronoun usage?
Certainly an interesting term of "technicality" used in this video; quite unlike many others. Been following this channel since the Selby train crash; keep up the great work!
A friend's Hiller helicopter crashed because a failed part that was later determined to be a "fake".
My condolences.
I got restless waiting for the notification so I went looking for the new video and found it was posted less than a minute ago. Timing is everything…
Hope you enjoyed it!
@@DisasterBreakdown I’m never disappointed!
After the crash of American Airlines Flight 965 in 1995 (covered on this channel), some people went out to the crash site and scavenged some parts, taking them out by helicopter. These parts were later offered for sale around Miami, so American Airlines even published the list of parts and their serial numbers to warn potential buyers not to buy spare parts from a crashed plane. And they weren't small items, they took engine thrust reversers, cockpit avionics and more. Crazy to think these could have ended up in the next plane you're flying in.
Yes that is right, both the 707's Air Force One planes, and several planes used both in the Navy and Air Force had counterfit parts. Partnair 394 still ranks as one of the most influential plane crashes, in how much the avtiation industry changed afterwards.
So, some kind of meta grave robbery then; stealing parts from a crash site that might very well cause another fatal crash. Yikes.
Actually, jail isn't a sufficient penalty for such atrocious behaviour. With such a blatant disregard for human life you have revoked your right to exist.
@@Thedrek Some bolts where accepted by Boeing for the 767. We did wing internal inspections. They included head markings and torque proof checks. Some mismarked and sheared bolts were found.
Isn't that technically stealing... or grave robbing? Not to mention tampering with evidence.
If these subhumans were ever caught I really hope they were put away for life.
They clearly cared more about personal profit than other lives..and geez wouldnt walking around all the dead bodies for a plane part be harrowing?
you swearing was Priceless x) it makes all the sense in the context of the video, and with how passionate you are about aviation accidents. Thank you for being an integral part of my saturday Chloe
"planes" and "counterfeit parts" are two terms that, together, could give me nightmares.
They weren't counterfeit. In most cases, they were the results of manufacturing errors. The FAA made a bigger deal out of it than it needed to and made criminals out of people that hadn't done anything wrong.
It’s a real shame that the people who make the money decisions i.e. the ones who decided to cut the costs/corners never get killed in the resulting crash/disaster or go to prison for many many years 🤬
But the copilot literally was in this crash lol
@@pickleman40 Exactly, one of the extremely rare times one of those directly involved in corner cutting got his just desserts and died himself in the accident.
We should realize not just the tops of the company are complicit, but the managers that work under them as well.
I flew on this plane's sister ship while it was on lease to RyanAir in 1988, still in Partnair's colours.
Even though It crashed, the fact that this convair was still flying in '89 is insane
Have to admit, hearing it was launched in 1953 and still flying made me goggle a bit! 😬 Am I right in thinking that planes were generally flown for longer lifespans then, though, given there wasn't yet the clear understanding of how repeated flight cycles cause cumulative damage...?
(That sort of longer life cycle still seems to be more common in smaller planes even these days too...?)
@@anna_in_aotearoa3166 propeller passenger planes of this type generally fly lower and slower than say a jet so the effect of fatigue doesn't took hold nearly as quickly
Not insane. Common in both military and civilian air operations if they are correctly maintained and overhauled. They are not automobiles, they are well engineered aircraft.
@@anna_in_aotearoa3166 Having flown in a DC-3 built during WW2 just a few years ago, it is amazing. It's grounded, but only because they couldn't afford a complete engine replacement/rebuild.
I rode in one in 1982.
Tragic yet fascinating. First saw this story on TV but your presentation without unnecessary fluff and filler was 100% better. Thank you.
The "Bullshit Techicallity" was like a jumpscare
Its amazing how the engineers who design aircraft know down to the minute specification, which grade of metal is required to safely execute a function aboard the plane. They even take the trouble to warn maintenance crews not to use certain types of parts because they know the limitations of the aircraft they have built to the slightest detail. In other words, not all fasteners are the same. A particular grade of steel for the Convair's rudder was chosen by the manufacturer because only they knew what kind of stresses are experienced on that part of the aircraft.
I remember watching the Air Crash Investigation episode about this incident. According to them, it was discovered that the counterfeit part problem had grown so bad that when the investigation was in full swing in the aftermath of this crash, they even found counterfeit parts on the two planes that function as Air Force One (I think they were the old 707-based planes back then, not the current 747s)
This was before the current VC-25s were built in 1991. Although I wouldn’t be surprised if *any* 747 built before 1989 was flying with false parts.
God I am so glad to have a new video from Chloe :) Awesome work as always.
Another well researched and thorough video. I look forward to seeing a new video up. Thank you for your work. I am sure everyone watching appreciates your work.
That sounds so creepily like the crash of Alaska airlines flight 261 from 2000. Very similar circumstances.
And that right there is a perfect example of the “Swiss Cheese Model” model where a highly specific combination of factors line up in precisely the right way as to result in disaster.
With somebody dubiously drilling a few extra holes in a couple of the slices to make things "interesting"!!! ;o)
your channel is a big part of my interest in aviation as a lifelong career, i have the pleasure of working with charter and private pilots daily and it’s a fascinating industry that takes a great deal of knowledge and years of hard work to perfect. thank you Chloe! 🛩️
I'm glad things like this don't happen nearly as often and hopefully will never have to ever again. Rip to all those beautiful souls.
You make it sooooo much more engaging and value adding🤍💙👍🏼 by also concentrating on the nuances and rhe backstory.
The effort shows in your productions👌🏽
🙇🏻♂️appreciate it🙏🏼
This is right up there with the crash caused by someone smuggling a crocodile into their carry-on luggage. The company was BEGGING for a crash. They should have been shut down YEARS before.
I've driven by KF so often, I never expected to hear about them on this channel! This feels so odd yet exciting
"BS Technicality" I love your channel. Hooked! I have learned so much about aviation from you, my father was a private pilot, my brother is a private pilot and my nephew trains for FedEx. He flew in Alaska for years and then was a commercial pilot. I've learned more from you than I ever did from them!!!!
Best breakdown of this tragedy I’ve seen.
I hope you get better soon. Very interesting video, by the way. Thanks.
This channel and Mentour is the best. Instant click when I see the notification. Thank you!
Mentour is a parasite
Wait, correct me if im wrong but weren't some of those Counterfeit parts purchased by the US for Air Force One
Yes
Thanks for another informative and well-researched video.
I got a Flight Centre ad... on this video on a crash by an airline that no longer exists
Again… a very good video. Happy holidays Chloe and take care of yourself. Health is most important.
You didn't give the airplane type enough credit. You seemed to give the listener the impression that the Convair 580 was an inferior airplane.. wrong. The 580 was on it's second of three lives...the first in being the back bone of many of the worlds major airlines as the "Convairliner" and piston powered model 340 or 440. As the jets came on, the 340/440 were converted into the Allison Turbo-Prop engine. A similar Turbo-Prop powered type being the Convair 600, using Rolls Royce Dart engines. But, those were only used in the smaller Convair 240 twin... and many are still flying in cargo roles.. as 340-440-580.
Do some research, this shit helps the story a lot.
Never been this early my god 18s ago. Anyway, your videos are always so well researched and presented so nicely. Keep up the great work!
Welcome early viewer!
Oh could you do continental express flight 2574 and emery worldwide airlines flight 17? both these flights crashed were also caused by maintenance errors on different parts of the planes!
And here it is! Another thing to light up our Saturday ✨
I am a retired airline pilot. Regarding running the APU to substitute for a broken generator, it was an approved practice at my airline, a major U.S. airline. However, there was a time limit on repairing the broken generator. You could not use the APU as a substitute indefinitely.
Only when an engine failure occurred was the APU allowed to run in flight.
@@sharoncassell9358Absolutely not true.
APU use in-flight varies between aircraft types. On the EMB-120 and CRJ, we could use the APU in the air or on the ground without restriction. The LearJet 60's APU, on the other hand, won't even run when airborne. I don't know what the story is with the turboprop Convairs.
@@robcourtney6332 I was speaking of the 737 and 757 aircraft. We used to do cold start tests required by maintenance when we flew above 30000 feet.
i’ve never caught a video so early before !! time to listen to this intently before i go to bed >:)
Thanks for putting Blunt swearing. I dont know how Partnair repaired their planes
RIP
To the passengers and crew of Partnair Flight 394
This is the best channel on RUclips
i love listening to you your voice is so relaxing
at what point does a potentially fatal event cease to be an 'accident' and/or enter the realm of 'manslaughter'
#Cash4Corpses
Really important detail in this one. A fine video about a game changing tragedy. Thanks.
great job. thorough.
swift recovery.
cheers
Imagine having flown in the accident aircraft on the previous flight, just before the accident flight, and feeling the vibrations. Then you find out that those vibrations were a symptom of what brought the plane down... That has to mess with your head. "Ugh. Flying is for droids."
I am learning a lot about aviation watching your videos , very interesting. Thanks 🎉
Thank God they were able to get the bad parts under control with the perpetrators prosecuted. Making screws and nuts is no child's play. 😵
I pray you feel better soon. 🙏
Thank you. This excellent work.
Great video as always DBD! I know you probably don’t take requests, but if you are open to it, you think you can make a video on the 1979 Dniprodzerzhynsk mid-air collision? I feel you’d be the perfect person to find information on it. Thanks!
Those poor people on that plane 😢
Who the hell do they actually get to fly these dangerous planes?
Great job Chloe! Very thorough with the back story of the counterfeit parts and disgraceful maintenance.
Great detailed video. I am most definitely not defending Partnair but the "Bullshit technicality" isn't that bullshit actually. I believe that planes nowadays are allowed to dispatch with an inoperative Engine generators as long as the APU stays on during the flight and the APU generator is used. I'm pretty sure this is a common practice on the A320.
That said I don't know if this was the case back in the day and was obviously not a good idea on this aircraft seeing the condition of the APU/mounting.
It's SCARY to think that bogus parts were being sold to companies like this. Partnair had bought the parts for cheaper, under the assumption they were up to spec, and as a result people died because of that.
The contributing factor of the apu , reminds me of how the misuse of a ground based apu or ground power unit or auxiliary power engine servicing a two seat aircraft caused 134 deaths , anyone who doubts the math is encouraged to look up USS Forestal 29 July 1967
I saw the Air Crash Investigation episode and was greatly shocked when I learned that those bolts were counterfeit.
Why am I watching this.. I'm flying in an hour!
Partinair: Providing the countryside with plenty of partin’s.
Funny. Not funny.
Convair never built a 580 they were all later third party conversions mostly Pacific Airmotive. Very common thru the US. Spent quite a bit of time on them back in the day.
It's because management likes to hire buddies in the maintenance departments I've always needed for assistance in the places I worked at. In the badly run companies: The good guys never last, always leaves and become independent contractors that end up being contracted by the company at 4 times the price. Once they can't be afforded, the cats in the office makes a mess of it.
Interesting breakdown on the Partnair 394 disaster!
This case is again spoken of in Norway as a documentary about the incident aired today on Viaplay, where they ask questions about a F-16 that may have been flying and gone super sonic right by the Convair.
About the maintenance, the company did follow every required maintenance programs that they were obligated to, which also the D-check proved. It was an old aircraft that had at least 8 previous owners that had made changes without dokcumenting it. But Partnair did everything they were suppose to do, eventhough bogus parts were used.
When they found bogus parts on Air Force One, it's beyond me to figure out how a small, struggeling company like Partnair were suppose to discover this when even maintenance at Kenowa Flightcraft didn't discover it during the D-check.
Anyways, an interesting case I'm researching at the moment for a new podcast, and this episode (and channel, really) is a super source for information that is broken down in a way that focus on the factual evidence.
Thank you, Chloe, for a good and informative episode!
Thank you for this. Just thank you.
I never liked flying and no longer use flights to go anywhere. We drive or take the train, which we love. You can get up and walk around on a train, bring some snacks with you. Just much more freedom. And if i am going to be in an accident i would much rather be on the ground when it happens.
I never thought a airline would use counterfeit parts on a plane
Was this commuter airline alone in its neglected maintenance? I was on a taxiing American Eagle flight in 2009 when I insisted that I was getting off this plane before it took off--with or without returning to the gate--because of smoke and smells in the cabin and vibrations. The captain initially intended to take off! Other passengers concurred, and even the flight attendant was scared. We returned to the gate for another plane. 😳😳😳
Great vid as always! I'm just curious how these parts ended up in the plane. Was it previous owner who put them in? Did their own maintenence crew do it? Who ordered them and were they aware of them being counterfeit?
I remember reading about this in a shipping newspaper many decades ago. So many staff from a shippingl ine killed in one go.
Great program - thanks.
It would be quite interesting to see one of your fantastic videos about what appears to be a rather forgotten accident; Mexicana flight 940 is the deadliest involving a 727 and the deadliest in Mexican history.
I am always a bit concerned with these budget airlines cutting corners buying cheap parts which could possibly be fakes
It Came A PartnAir!
What a terrifying experience for those poor crew and passengers
That company in Canada must have had some lousy standards as well as PartnAir's appalling standards.
Nowadays it is a federal crime having bogus parts on stock when you could have indentified them.
Norway is 1 of 3 Scandinavian countries that held Vikings and the setting for Frozen uses Bergen.
Pilots who fly a plane knowing there’s issues rather than refuse to take it air borne are nothing but cowards. I’d rather walk away and lose my job than potential kill my self for my boss.
"For the airliners, counterfeit parts were more common than thought" -> They bought for cheaper instead of paying the manufacturer's price, but yeah, it was more common than they thought.
Terrible what these companies are allowed to get by with
This is still a problem
Hello Chloe it’s the MapleLeaf again, I am actually not in my home town I’m still in my country Australia just in New South Wales not in Queensland. Nice seeing content still being produced and seeing accidents never in my life I have heard. Still in New South Wales for the next 3 ish weeks enjoy it!
Edit: Just to add, Partnair 394 was not only the deadliest accident involving Norway but Denmark as the accident unfolded in Danish airspace
Hey Chloe, could you make a video about first air flight 6560 please?
"apu unit" gave me a good ol 'wai-wha' moment coz i swear its like hearing "atm machine" or "pin number" lol
10/10 vid as always tho god damn
The CV-580 uses a GTC in the right engine and it’s basically an APU and it is not in the tail
I noticed quite a few comments about the use of “bullshit technically”
Honestly it’s the most accurate term.
That plane should have been grounded.
But technically it was complying with all applicable law.
Running APU as an electrical power source is universally an approved method, not a bullshit technicality
Do an investigation on the Lynard Skinard airplane crash...
Please
If I ran an airline or country for that matter, anyone involved in a planes maintenance would be made to fly on that plane once a week.
One can only wonder if West-made aircraft in Russia are running on junk part now (apart from many planes being cannibalized for parts)
They get it from neighbor down South.
"Made in China" 😬
Persons who manufacture substandard parts should be charged with negligent homicide in the case of accidents!
Flying with the APU running shouldn't be branded a bullshit technicality. It would've been safe were it not for the poor state the plane was in and only the generator was out.
A slight correction: Partnair Flight 394 was not the deadliest accident in Norway, that title would go to Vnukovo Airlines Flight 2801, 141 people were killed in that crash
Also Partnair Flight 394 did not even crash in Norwegian Waters, it crashed only 18 kilometers north of the town of Hirtshals, which is in Denmark
I’m *not* a naive person, but it’s always dumbfounding to me to hear about poor upkeep of planes & submarines
"APU Unit" Gotta go to my ATM machine and enter my PIN number to purchase and APU unit LOL
While drinking some chai tea as well, I'm sure.
Counterfeit parts .... They are probably much more prevalent than is suspected. About 20 years ago I bought a box of wood screws from a well-known chain of stores, and twisted four of them in half, just with a screwdriver in one hand, one screw after another. Hobby project derailed until I found real screws. Now I mistrust all wood screws, and probably should mistrust a lot of other metal accessories. My delayed project was an inconvenience, but shipping counterfeit to be used in machinery is intentional manslaughter or worse.