great video. The reason they still talk to her even with all the evidence is because the more she says in an “interview” the less she can use in court. She is painting herself into a corner. It further strengthens the prosecution. They very slowly get her to put down a story so if she changes it later a jury would not see her as credible
ive only seen 1 and he still got caught. He was just like 'i dont know' the whole time with the same creepy affect on. I think it was in the same channel destiny is watching
@@meevsdagr8erThat guy told the police that he stole condoms and that gave them a reason to search his home and he got found out😂 he didn't know how to conduct himself at all😂
@@Matt-fr2rh I thought that too, but when you go his Patreon, it's cancelled and he said he just uploaded everything to RUclips? I'm not sure. I know there's a RUclips playlist that shows all jcs's unlisted videos but the ones that aren't listed, aren't full interviews like the ones he shows on his channel.
You have to realize that killing a person isn't stealing a piece of candy from a store. Even if it was 20 years ago, the guilt and fear of getting caught will always hunt you. You won't just magically forget that you killed someone.
If you're a psychopath the act of killing would be no different than killing an animal. Sure you'd remember but you lack the empathy to give a shit about it.
Of course but that only goes further to show what a terrible job she did once it came time to answer questions. 20 years is fucking plenty of time to game out how to answer what you could be asked, especially as a detective yourself.
@@austinreese5553 the "blacked out" defense is 99.999% bullshit and almost never legitimate in the sense that they were totally out of control of their actions and cognition. Repressing memories to ease psychological stress will lead to someone *interpreting* it as them "blacking out". Doesn't mean they didn't do it, or didn't act intentionally at the time.
I'm a psych major and just to clarify - your sympathetic nervous system can be activated under stress (even if theres no physical threat) and sends you into 'fight or flight' which you're correct Destiny, does prep you for an immediate physical threat. But it activates the same bodily response wether its a stressful conversation or hand to hand combat haha
@@WanderTheNomad Depends on the situation and how the person reacts. For example, personally I'm pretty good at reacting quickly to sudden physical situations in which you have to analyze the situation in an eyeblink and make a snap decision. But put me in front of a professor at an oral exam and I freeze and have a lot of trouble thinking through my answer.
Imagine being a detective and not knowing better to lawyer up and say nothing. Lol okay they were pretty crafty with the setup, credit to the investigators.
As soon as she realized that they 100% knew it was her, she shut up. The interrogators were smart with how they approached it, making her think it wasn't a serious questioning
@@WanderTheNomad Because it's blatant manipulation? The assumption that if I'm somehow tricked into an interrogation without my knowledge, preventing me from requesting a legal adviser, that I'm somehow hiding something? I guess if I have nothing to hide, I shouldn't care about my rights or people attempting to manipulate me.
Yea he is so wrong on this. You can get the fight, flight or freeze response and end up chosing to engage in an argument as an attempt to flee from the implied accusation(or avoid a physical fight, etc). She isn't completely sure she's screwed yet and also knows she can't get away by actually running(she knows it would give them cause to arrest her or at least apprehend her until shes calmed) in that situation and completely freezing up is going to be really suspicious and weird. In other words: the fight, flight or freeze response doesn't always come in full force and take complete control over your body. She is trying to get away with a lie, she still has hope it will work(that they don't know enough to pin her down) so she is trying hard to both keep the rational part of her brain active and controlling her body language. As soon as they give a hint that they know more than she expects(by asking a question she wasn't expecting), her fight, flight or freeze is kicking in and it's visibly messing with her higher reasoning/mental capacity. The resulting feelings is making it incredibly hard to think rationally and act normal at the same time. Hence why she's acting like a scared kid that obviously did it. That response wasn't evolved to handle this kind of complex social situation(modern societal expectations, tools to find the truth, etc etc...). My guess is Destiny went out on a limb(his intuition, which makes sense to him because he doesn't really get that kind of response from argumentation/discussion/social pressure). That's why he gives up as soon as some in the chat push back against his first attempt at rationalizing his position, he realizes he doesn't have enough ground to stand on to make a convincing argument. It's kinda funny considering he is blasting this woman for putting her real feelings on display(though tbf she is way more obvious about it) only to do the same a moment later PepeLaugh
@@handsomebear. maybe I'm misunderstanding something but I think destiny just argued that the fight or flight response isn't "made" to prime the body for an intense discussion but instead to make the body better for actual physical fights or things similar to that. I don't believe destiny refutes that she got such an reaction nor that the fight or flight reaction would've been visible in her facial expressions. Sorry if this comment doesn't make sense I'm very tired
@@johnholmes2745 The same person who told vaush to make a second channel probably told both of them what to do differently in their videos too. That's my guess, they both seemed to make algo related changes at the same time.
Had to go through one of those DUI checkpoints recently. Cop flashed his light in my car asked if I had been drinking or under the influence of marijuana, told him "no and no" to both and he immediately let me on my way. I could feel him analyze me when he asked, I said a total of two words and that was it. It's kind of wild how the confidence in your voice when telling the truth can easily be read by and picked up by others. When I was much younger I had a similar situation where a cop asked me to do a sobriety test and the moment I told him I have no problem with that I could tell from his reaction he knew I'd pass.
The thing that triggered me the most was that whenever I fake slept as I child I wanted to then be like haha gotcha, I wasn't actually sleeping, and even when I recited the whole discussion they had they would be so certain I was sleeping they would tell me that maybe I was awake for some parts but I was asleep 99% of the time. I still am tilted about this 10 years later.
Same. As weird as it is, it's like being invisible to the other party. So there's something inherently interesting about hearing people speak while not realizing they're being listened to.
Imagine if someone told you "Look, you gonna be interrogated by 2 colleagues. They will try to make it look like chit chat and give silly excuses for why it has to take place in an interrogation room. What I want you to do is, react to every harmless question as though you had been outright accused of murder, in the most alarming and suspicious way you can come up with in that moment."
Again: my two favorite channels on all of YT-- Jim can't Swim and Destiny-- just one day came together, out of all the combinations possible. This is like the best thing that's happened to me in months, sadly.
@@jasonharrington5200 that's rough, man. Glad you're able to find small uplifting moments through all the struggles that are undoubtedly following you most days. Hang in there, and know that a random stranger on the internet is rooting for you c:
an argument? this is literally her way of life on the line. that’s not a regular argument. she got away with something horrible decades ago and it’s finally catching up to her. definitely in fight or flight mode
I didnt understand this either. He accurately described how the response works neurologically but then didnt think that rush of endoprhins would effect someone's way of arguing and speaking?
He didn't mean that she isn't in fight or flight mode, or that it wasn't affecting her, he just meant that arguing isn't what her body is preparing her to do. The response is preparing her to either physically run or physically fight, and arguing falls outside of that - which we can see because the fight or flight reaction makes her arguing worse, not better.
Fight or flight is also detrimental to your ability to have a conversation. When you get really scared your brain can start to skip your reasoning centre in favour of getting you to react faster. Like if you are walking on a path outside at night and out of the corner of your eye you see a stick that kind of looks like a snake you might quickly look at it and make sure it isn't but when you're already jumpy or feeling the edge of fear, if you see that stick out of the corner of your eye the odds of you startling or yelping are much higher because your brain isn't taking the time to reason out what it actually is rather than immediately responding to what it could be. Let's be real to if you have two cavemen standing next to each other and they hear a rustling in the bushes and one screams tiger and runs away and other waits to see if it's actually a tiger or not. If there is actually a tiger its going to eat the guy that's still standing there because his friend already has a head start.
Indeed, destiny was wrong on this one. Many human mechanism like stress have been developed in humans to survive dangers like animals and stuff but in today's world where the biggest threat to your life is losing your job, for example and where you don't risk being attacked by a tiger, those human traits simply impair our cognitive abilities like speech, self control etc. They are evolution leftovers in many cases.
@@runningriot6399 Yeah that means I'm right. What I literally said was that fight or flight impairs your reasoning. It's why scared people tell bad lies.
Fight or flight is preparing you to fight off a threat or run away from it. It can be triggered by a multitude of things, including being interrogated for a murder you thought you got away with.
But the term fight ot flight is describing the physiological changes in a physical situation. The same physiological changes do occur during other situations, but they shouldn't be described with that term. I think that's what he's arguing. He understands its the same changes.
In the military there are different levels of resistance that they expect different troops to be able to follow. If you are expected to have sensitive information that are you not to share, you will go through higher levels of resistance training. For example, Aircrew members in the Air Force go through SV-83 Combat Land Survival (SERE), which has a fairly intensive section about interrogation resistance and how to be a POW. But Crypto Linguists that fly on Aircraft go through an additional school, that we refered to as "advanced beatings" to prepare them even more, since they are a higher priority target with even more sensitive information.
Maybe what Destiny missed was the police already had her dna as a match from the dna found on the bite mark on the victim before they even interview her. They knew going into the interrogation that she was guilty which is why they arrested her at then end. That was always going to be the outcome regardless of what she said. Even in cases when they have dna evidence on the murderer they always like to try and get a motive or even a confession to make things even easier.
@@wiredvibe1678 what? Stephanie shot Sherri and that’s what killed her - she conveniently had her service weapon “stolen” shortly after the murder. She was and is 100% guilty.
Imagine, if she hadn't bitten the victim's body, there wouldn't have been DNA evidence pointing to her in the first place. Otherwise she probably would've gotten away with it.
You would think a professional detective would know to just be silent during an interrogation A reply and watching more makes me admit that they were really smart with setting her up
The whole point is if one of your cop associates comes up to you under the guise of a mutual neutral conversation it makes sense to talk to them. The way the interrogating cop applied pressure was master class so I'm not surprised that the combination of implicit trust and interrogation tactics worked on a detective. They are only human. You may know how to avoid manipulation but to employ that caution you somewhat need to be expecting it to pinpoint the manipulation. In this environment her gaurd was way lowered and in no fashion was she expecting the angle the interrogating officer took.
I was homeschooled through pretty much all of school pre-college. There were a few years there when I didn't get much schooling at all, and then I started taking college classes, and it ended up being fine. My homeschooling never really included writing essays or papers of any kind, so it was really fortunate for me that college professors who teach freshman writing assume that high school taught the students NOTHING. Went on to get a degree in English with honors and I actually have a pretty well paying job off of it now.
27:07 lol omg this brings back memories. Sometimes I'd write an entire page for unknown essay questions and get full credit because the teacher didn't want to read it all 😂
These videos are great. As for the fight or flight thing, I sorta agree with Destiny but those biological reactions have a dramatic effect on a verbal interaction. I had a couple detectives show up at my door a few years ago and I was immediately freaked. I tried to remain calm and cool but it is amazing what happens. Your throat gets dry and your voice might crack and you can feel your limbs start to shake. The detectives assured me that they were not at my house to question me as a suspect but rather, they hoped I might be a witness. My adrenaline was through the roof and I was completely on guard that they were lying to me. Turns out, they actually were telling the truth. Once we sat down for a minute and they asked their opening question I realized that they were asking about an incident from about 15 years prior that involved a possible teacher/student sex scandal. After that I was fine but holy hit.... that series of physical responses that take place when you are confronted by detectives is really jarring and it is really hard to appear unphased.
@@mutedmutiny9542 No, those are killers. Killers know who they are. Killers don't enter the law force and trick others and themselves that they are normal. Monsters hide in the dark and under the bed, they are scared of the light. Killers walk up to you in broad day light and point a gun between your eyes. Also why are you try to sound like a smart ass? It's not like you win anything. 😒
As far as I'm aware resistance to torture interrogation training in the military is almost nonexistent. The navy once tried to train SEALS to resist waterboarding but found that waterboarding was too effective and had no training value. SERE (survival evasion resistance and escape) is close but is more about as the name says. You do get 'tortured,' not to become resistant to interrogation and torture but to learn what to expect if you are captured.
You don’t need to be special forces to receive instruction on torture/captivity. Just in a MOS/job that deals with sensitive info/high risk for POW situations. Tons of regular service members go to SERE school from pilots to analysts to special forces. It’s not that niche.
Heyo editor, great job as always. I’ve got one little critique - in the little intro phase could you switch the colours associated with which clip is playing? I feel like the white would suit ‘video being played’ instead of the black.
Fight and flight can be activated in this situation but certain social constraints such as being interviewed by senior detectives does not allow you to literally “fight” the body doesn’t acknowledge these factors it just pumps you with adrenaline
"Fight or Flight" is just your body going into battle mode. You're either fighting your way out of that situation, or you're running for the hills. It's a perfectly understandable survival mechanism. It's why during an accident, some people do not even remember acting out their actions because their bodies literally go into survival mode to get them to get out of danger.
The physical response known as 'fight or flight' is triggered by extreme stress -- like, for example, being questioned about a murder. 'Fight or flight' has both physical and mental effects -- and those are what we are seeing here. That's my take anyhow.
"Notice how she goes on about things that don't require an explanation and weren't even required about to begin with..." "The suspect will go off on unrelated tangents as a means of momentary relief..." Bruh this is just how I talk normally
The fight-or-flight physiological response prepares you for taking a significant physical act like a physical fight or a rapid fleeing, but this is still that here. In situations like this your body immediately knows it's in danger and responds with that response, preparing you to respond to some sort of immediate "danger". It's just that the "fight" side of the decision was to remain and continue the discussion. Fight or flight responses can be triggered by a wide variety of threatening situations a person could find them self in in which they need to respond rapidly to a high stakes decision. It was evolved for physical needs, but can be triggered in pretty non-physically-demanding situations.
One thing I think people aren't taking into account here is that the tactic the detectives are using serves two purposes: if she's not worried about spending the rest of her life in prison, she might still be worried about her job. Lawyering up right out of the gate might not technically be considered evidence, but she could still be investigated as an employee and possibly even terminated.
these detectives finessed it like absolute pros. i generally hate cops but not murder detectives. these guys are really legends. the bunk and mcnulty would be proud
I could be mistaken, but I think the DNA collection without the suspect's consent is legal if law enforcement has a warrant to do so. Kind of like when they are undertaking a search procedure.
It’s common for them to follow the suspect around and wait for them to throw something away. Very common. I think it’s legal once they put something in the trash
@@tytar1037 I guess for the actual DNA analysis they need a warrant, since this is the part actually touching personal rights. Picking up trash is fine, but a separate part of "the procedure" legally. Just my guess and what I believe is done here, no idea about US law.
35:00 I would argue here that its not that she was faking a state of reflection in the first question, but that she was in a more frantic state trying to work out how to answer the question in the least suspicious way, but in the last question she was calm because she could answer truthfully. Bit of a nitpick but thought Id put it out there
All of the physical things destiny described for a fight or flight response can happen in an argument where your life is at stake sweating adrenaline surging all of it so I don't know why he keeps bringing up these points as a counter point very strange only the Gods will know
In the first minute, during the description of the injuries to the deceased, afflicted post-mortem, my very first thought was that this was personal and a crime of passion. How did the initial investigators not feel that????
As a police officer I can tell you you’re 110% correct. A lot of the guys I worked with I also went to HS with, and can attest to some being as dumb as a rock.
I remember I was in third grade class and the school just got evacuated. No one understood what was going on until we got outside and saw all those parents outside. We could see the smoke from our school because you can see the skyline from there.
I think that you can take someone's DNA from an item that they've thrown away. It's not like you're digging through someone's house or car, it's an item that has been discarded and can be taken by anyone.
Did anyone else take note that the bite mark was postmortem (left there probably to sell the break-in story) and it's the reason why they got her dna on the victim?
i don't understand what this has to do with terror management theory, I thought that was about our motivations and cultures ultimately being ways to cope with our fear of death
Could be wrong but with regards to fight or flight - I'm pretty sure this not only doesn't prepare you for an argument, but it actually puts you in a less logical state of mind and therefore makes argumentation harder.
"you cant just get someones DNA from trash without cause can you?" well 1. trash becomes public once you throw it out and 2. they..... literally had cause, she was the prime, and only suspect, ofc they had cause
40 hours for a private pilots license is months of intensive training. You would typically only do a couple hours on a day you are training, and if you have a full-time job, it's really hard to find time to fly. It's also really expensive. Renting a plane + fuel costs + private instructor is hundreds of dollars an hour. Also, you can't do much with just a private pilot's license.
Fake sleeping is something you learn after living with a partner for long enough. Not only do you learn hos someone actually looks when they are sleeping, but also how they react to being talked to and touched while sleeping. I am now a master at faking being asleep; and one of the most sleeping looking thing is to pretend to pretend to be awake.
If someone throws something away in a trashcan, it is perfectly legal for others, including police, to take that thrown away item. This is somewhat common in law-enforcement and solving old murders. Or murders in general. DNA has been taken off of cups, cigarette butts, etc. for decades.
Anyone else find it kinda bullshitty that cops can say "Hey you're free to leave at any time" and then when you try to leave they arrest you? I'm all for cops having the power to do their job but I'm not a fan of them just being able to effectively lie to you whenever they want.
The fact that she didn't mentioned they dated doesn't mean anything. Maybe she didn't want to have an association with a criminal before knowing a situation. She could be dismissed from a case, she could be asked to contact him for a case and she doesn't want to. There are a million of reasons
This lady's all "I'm a detective--I can talk my way out of this." Don't do it, Destiny fans. I know, you're the smartest person in the world, cool that's fine, but when it comes to the police? DON'T FUCKING TALK TO THE POLICE
Had this kid in my class back in the day fully improvise a speech about Macbeth and got an A- and the reason why it wasn't an A is because he did not write anything down...lol
*Watching a video written by criminal psychologists "That is factually wrong actually" There's a lot of hills I'd die on, I dunno if fighting a group of psychologists on what a psychosomatic phenomenon is.
@@mickeyboy90 yeah, like don't get me wrong, I think destiny is generally smarter than your average dude, but he talks about how cringey most people's opinions on psych are, then proceeds to have the same mindset as an edgy anime protag
This is way late and destiny probably knows already but for those who don’t know: at around 2:30 they mention getting her dna without her knowing from a discarded coffee cup. It’s important to know the item was DISCARDED. Once you throw an item away it is no longer your property. So if you committed a crime, ordered pizza, didn’t eat the crust, and put that pizza in the garbage and take your garbage to to outside bin, or you throw an item away in a public trash can that has your dna on it, the cops can take that item and test without a warrant and tie you to the crime. It’s no longer your property and they can take it without your knowledge and legally. So if you plan on killing someone and the cops are onto you, finish your pizza crust
If someone started asking me about an ex I would immediately question why they were asking. I would be suspicious of why someone is digging into my past and I am a private person.
That should be enough evidence. If not, virtually nobody would be condemmable for crimes. 1) She was defensive and obfuscating at every step of the investigation. 2) There was clear indicators that the dead woman was a victom of a grudge (due to the body being beat after death.) 3) The suspect had a direct reason for having a grudge and thus a motive to resort to violence or killing the victim in an altercation. 4) Autopsy may have show the bite to be fresh, meaning the suspect was at the scene of the crime. I rest my case.
The fight-or-flight response has psychological effects too, such as black-and-white thinking. Hormones affect how your brain functions. This is common knowledge.
I was in 7th grade when the towers got hit and was in Study Hall. Never going to forget it because I lived in NY at the time so it was a huge deal and the school was trying to figure out whether to finish out the day, lockdown, or get busses ready to send us home.
Destiny reacts to The Interrogation of Stephanie Lazarus ►ruclips.net/video/WLSNPkf8RCU/видео.html
Kira would've gotten away.
OMG THANK YOU IM SO STOKED
Do jarrod murray and stephen mcdaniel also, veeeery creepy interrogations. Also very interesting
great video. The reason they still talk to her even with all the evidence is because the more she says in an “interview” the less she can use in court. She is painting herself into a corner. It further strengthens the prosecution. They very slowly get her to put down a story so if she changes it later a jury would not see her as credible
Reviewing Demonoma's mental health stuff
This was a Law and Order SVU episode with a guest appearance by Marcia Gay Harden.
You'll never see an interrogation with someone who knows how to conduct themselves in an interrogation.. Cause if they knew, they'd ask for a lawyer.
Exactly, never talk to police. Everything they could ever need from you is on your papers.
ive only seen 1 and he still got caught. He was just like 'i dont know' the whole time with the same creepy affect on. I think it was in the same channel destiny is watching
lol exactly the only smart move
Arrogance is a helluva drug
@@meevsdagr8erThat guy told the police that he stole condoms and that gave them a reason to search his home and he got found out😂 he didn't know how to conduct himself at all😂
JCS needs to put out more content for me to watch destiny watch.
I think its behind a patreon wall
@@Matt-fr2rh I thought that too, but when you go his Patreon, it's cancelled and he said he just uploaded everything to RUclips? I'm not sure. I know there's a RUclips playlist that shows all jcs's unlisted videos but the ones that aren't listed, aren't full interviews like the ones he shows on his channel.
he has a second channel called J C S, apparently there hell slowly upload the patreon videos
Did he do russell williams?
The editing is at its peak right now
It’s only downhill from here
From wii sports ?
@@snapgecco We shall never see its like again
@@vydenr486 we have entered the pinnacle of wii sports
You have to realize that killing a person isn't stealing a piece of candy from a store. Even if it was 20 years ago, the guilt and fear of getting caught will always hunt you. You won't just magically forget that you killed someone.
If you're a psychopath the act of killing would be no different than killing an animal. Sure you'd remember but you lack the empathy to give a shit about it.
Unless you were blacked out
Of course but that only goes further to show what a terrible job she did once it came time to answer questions. 20 years is fucking plenty of time to game out how to answer what you could be asked, especially as a detective yourself.
@@austinreese5553 the "blacked out" defense is 99.999% bullshit and almost never legitimate in the sense that they were totally out of control of their actions and cognition.
Repressing memories to ease psychological stress will lead to someone *interpreting* it as them "blacking out". Doesn't mean they didn't do it, or didn't act intentionally at the time.
The YT editor when Destiny finally comes back and immediately boots up League 😑
True
"We're gonna have to look in the archives"
I read YT as white, god help us
I'm a psych major and just to clarify - your sympathetic nervous system can be activated under stress (even if theres no physical threat) and sends you into 'fight or flight' which you're correct Destiny, does prep you for an immediate physical threat. But it activates the same bodily response wether its a stressful conversation or hand to hand combat haha
I think he's pointing out that it will only help with physical output, not cognitive tasks like analysis or conversational ability.
Could that be considered a vestigial reflex or is it still useful?
@@WanderTheNomad Depends on the situation and how the person reacts. For example, personally I'm pretty good at reacting quickly to sudden physical situations in which you have to analyze the situation in an eyeblink and make a snap decision. But put me in front of a professor at an oral exam and I freeze and have a lot of trouble thinking through my answer.
@@Crispman_777 In which case he's still incorrect.
@@mechanomics2649 Nope
Imagine being a detective and not knowing better to lawyer up and say nothing.
Lol okay they were pretty crafty with the setup, credit to the investigators.
As soon as she realized that they 100% knew it was her, she shut up. The interrogators were smart with how they approached it, making her think it wasn't a serious questioning
@@lmaonicebud Also credit to Stephanie for being hella dense and not seeing the red flags of being interrogated lol
@@mutedmutiny9542 This is why I have trust issues.
@@sterd1149 because you did something bad and are afraid someone will find out about it? 🤔
@@WanderTheNomad Because it's blatant manipulation? The assumption that if I'm somehow tricked into an interrogation without my knowledge, preventing me from requesting a legal adviser, that I'm somehow hiding something? I guess if I have nothing to hide, I shouldn't care about my rights or people attempting to manipulate me.
17:00 Destiny, this isn't just a stressful argument, it's a matter of life and death for her. That can definitely trigger a flight/fight response.
I think he's pointing out that it will only help with physical output, not cognitive tasks like analysis or conversational ability.
@@Crispman_777 well that's the point that JCS was trying to bring up - her facial expression would probably indicate the shock her body went into
Yea he is so wrong on this. You can get the fight, flight or freeze response and end up chosing to engage in an argument as an attempt to flee from the implied accusation(or avoid a physical fight, etc). She isn't completely sure she's screwed yet and also knows she can't get away by actually running(she knows it would give them cause to arrest her or at least apprehend her until shes calmed) in that situation and completely freezing up is going to be really suspicious and weird.
In other words: the fight, flight or freeze response doesn't always come in full force and take complete control over your body. She is trying to get away with a lie, she still has hope it will work(that they don't know enough to pin her down) so she is trying hard to both keep the rational part of her brain active and controlling her body language.
As soon as they give a hint that they know more than she expects(by asking a question she wasn't expecting), her fight, flight or freeze is kicking in and it's visibly messing with her higher reasoning/mental capacity. The resulting feelings is making it incredibly hard to think rationally and act normal at the same time. Hence why she's acting like a scared kid that obviously did it. That response wasn't evolved to handle this kind of complex social situation(modern societal expectations, tools to find the truth, etc etc...).
My guess is Destiny went out on a limb(his intuition, which makes sense to him because he doesn't really get that kind of response from argumentation/discussion/social pressure). That's why he gives up as soon as some in the chat push back against his first attempt at rationalizing his position, he realizes he doesn't have enough ground to stand on to make a convincing argument.
It's kinda funny considering he is blasting this woman for putting her real feelings on display(though tbf she is way more obvious about it) only to do the same a moment later PepeLaugh
@@handsomebear. maybe I'm misunderstanding something but I think destiny just argued that the fight or flight response isn't "made" to prime the body for an intense discussion but instead to make the body better for actual physical fights or things similar to that. I don't believe destiny refutes that she got such an reaction nor that the fight or flight reaction would've been visible in her facial expressions. Sorry if this comment doesn't make sense I'm very tired
@@henrikhempel2372 Yeah that was exactly it. A lot of people are missing that but I think that's why he dropped it so quickly
And the editor finds the Death Note clip. Wow.
Whatever he pays the editor it's not enough
Investigate Destiny for doing 9/11, he gave way too many details when he explained where he was when it happened
I do like this new teaser opening we got lately
Vaush does it too now, not sure if he copied destiny or not
@@johnholmes2745 They both have editors though right?
@@pladom3835
Yes, but they changed about the same time.
Probably a coincidence, just funny timing.
@@johnholmes2745 The same person who told vaush to make a second channel probably told both of them what to do differently in their videos too. That's my guess, they both seemed to make algo related changes at the same time.
I mean Vowsh already steals debate tactics so I wouldn't be surprised if he copies his editing as well.
Had to go through one of those DUI checkpoints recently. Cop flashed his light in my car asked if I had been drinking or under the influence of marijuana, told him "no and no" to both and he immediately let me on my way. I could feel him analyze me when he asked, I said a total of two words and that was it. It's kind of wild how the confidence in your voice when telling the truth can easily be read by and picked up by others. When I was much younger I had a similar situation where a cop asked me to do a sobriety test and the moment I told him I have no problem with that I could tell from his reaction he knew I'd pass.
The thing that triggered me the most was that whenever I fake slept as I child I wanted to then be like haha gotcha, I wasn't actually sleeping, and even when I recited the whole discussion they had they would be so certain I was sleeping they would tell me that maybe I was awake for some parts but I was asleep 99% of the time. I still am tilted about this 10 years later.
I used to love doing that, as fucking weird as it was.
Same. As weird as it is, it's like being invisible to the other party. So there's something inherently interesting about hearing people speak while not realizing they're being listened to.
Imagine if someone told you "Look, you gonna be interrogated by 2 colleagues. They will try to make it look like chit chat and give silly excuses for why it has to take place in an interrogation room. What I want you to do is, react to every harmless question as though you had been outright accused of murder, in the most alarming and suspicious way you can come up with in that moment."
Again: my two favorite channels on all of YT-- Jim can't Swim and Destiny-- just one day came together, out of all the combinations possible. This is like the best thing that's happened to me in months, sadly.
I love you buddy, dont let life get you down.
@@MrMlinmlin I got dignosed with prostate cancer a month ago. Thanks. Even small little nice messages like this can actually make people happier
@@jasonharrington5200 that's rough, man. Glad you're able to find small uplifting moments through all the struggles that are undoubtedly following you most days. Hang in there, and know that a random stranger on the internet is rooting for you c:
@@jasonharrington5200 good luck with that keep fighting
@@jasonharrington5200 I hope you're still around bro.
an argument? this is literally her way of life on the line. that’s not a regular argument. she got away with something horrible decades ago and it’s finally catching up to her. definitely in fight or flight mode
I didnt understand this either. He accurately described how the response works neurologically but then didnt think that rush of endoprhins would effect someone's way of arguing and speaking?
He didn't mean that she isn't in fight or flight mode, or that it wasn't affecting her, he just meant that arguing isn't what her body is preparing her to do. The response is preparing her to either physically run or physically fight, and arguing falls outside of that - which we can see because the fight or flight reaction makes her arguing worse, not better.
@@aurumursus4167 exactly!
58:54-59:18 Steven too busy playing game to notice these exquisite facial expressions
Now I wanna see a Light Yagami larper in one of these scenarios
If they do exist, they probably wouldn't get caught unless there was an equivalent L larper trying to catch them.
@@WanderTheNomad hahahah
Fight or flight is also detrimental to your ability to have a conversation. When you get really scared your brain can start to skip your reasoning centre in favour of getting you to react faster. Like if you are walking on a path outside at night and out of the corner of your eye you see a stick that kind of looks like a snake you might quickly look at it and make sure it isn't but when you're already jumpy or feeling the edge of fear, if you see that stick out of the corner of your eye the odds of you startling or yelping are much higher because your brain isn't taking the time to reason out what it actually is rather than immediately responding to what it could be.
Let's be real to if you have two cavemen standing next to each other and they hear a rustling in the bushes and one screams tiger and runs away and other waits to see if it's actually a tiger or not. If there is actually a tiger its going to eat the guy that's still standing there because his friend already has a head start.
This is exactly why I fail in my oral exams at university. My brain freezes up and all I can think of is punching something.
As someone with a fked up Amygdala, a conversation or argument is completely off the table when panic sets in. More like 'Run Forrest' lol.
Indeed, destiny was wrong on this one. Many human mechanism like stress have been developed in humans to survive dangers like animals and stuff but in today's world where the biggest threat to your life is losing your job, for example and where you don't risk being attacked by a tiger, those human traits simply impair our cognitive abilities like speech, self control etc.
They are evolution leftovers in many cases.
Dead wrong. She is 100% in flight or fight mode. She knows where this is going and she knows what she did. She is freaked that f out.
@@runningriot6399 Yeah that means I'm right. What I literally said was that fight or flight impairs your reasoning. It's why scared people tell bad lies.
Fight or flight is preparing you to fight off a threat or run away from it. It can be triggered by a multitude of things, including being interrogated for a murder you thought you got away with.
But the term fight ot flight is describing the physiological changes in a physical situation. The same physiological changes do occur during other situations, but they shouldn't be described with that term. I think that's what he's arguing. He understands its the same changes.
Her : "oh gee"
My brain : "Oh jesus! she actually killed her! oh jesus!"
Is your brain sykkuno
@@quinn2065 was hoping someone also had his voice while reading it! 🤣
In the military there are different levels of resistance that they expect different troops to be able to follow. If you are expected to have sensitive information that are you not to share, you will go through higher levels of resistance training. For example, Aircrew members in the Air Force go through SV-83 Combat Land Survival (SERE), which has a fairly intensive section about interrogation resistance and how to be a POW. But Crypto Linguists that fly on Aircraft go through an additional school, that we refered to as "advanced beatings" to prepare them even more, since they are a higher priority target with even more sensitive information.
What is an advanced beating???
Honestly that sounds wild af
I never got past Beatings 103 , just couldn't get into it...
Appreciate the time stamps appearing in the vid and the seamless transition into the Death Note scenes
Maybe what Destiny missed was the police already had her dna as a match from the dna found on the bite mark on the victim before they even interview her. They knew going into the interrogation that she was guilty which is why they arrested her at then end. That was always going to be the outcome regardless of what she said. Even in cases when they have dna evidence on the murderer they always like to try and get a motive or even a confession to make things even easier.
Biting a dead body is not the same as murder.
@@wiredvibe1678 what? Stephanie shot Sherri and that’s what killed her - she conveniently had her service weapon “stolen” shortly after the murder. She was and is 100% guilty.
Drinking game: Take a shoot everytime she says "you know"
Oh gosh, gee, I don't know if I could handle some thing like that
I'm gonna do it right now, will edit later to let everyone know how it went.
@@Kodlaken o7
@Kodlaken o7
@@Kodlaken
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Imagine, if she hadn't bitten the victim's body, there wouldn't have been DNA evidence pointing to her in the first place. Otherwise she probably would've gotten away with it.
I love how that one dude in chat was like:
"Destiny do you watch subbed or dubbed, if you say dubbed, unsubbed" lmao
All this video made me want to do is watch death note
You would think a professional detective would know to just be silent during an interrogation
A reply and watching more makes me admit that they were really smart with setting her up
The whole point is if one of your cop associates comes up to you under the guise of a mutual neutral conversation it makes sense to talk to them. The way the interrogating cop applied pressure was master class so I'm not surprised that the combination of implicit trust and interrogation tactics worked on a detective. They are only human. You may know how to avoid manipulation but to employ that caution you somewhat need to be expecting it to pinpoint the manipulation. In this environment her gaurd was way lowered and in no fashion was she expecting the angle the interrogating officer took.
Isn’t there a turtle with a similar name to yours?
@@samuelgiroux6819 I'm his son
I've actually been experiencing Destiny JCS analysis withdrawal
I was homeschooled through pretty much all of school pre-college. There were a few years there when I didn't get much schooling at all, and then I started taking college classes, and it ended up being fine.
My homeschooling never really included writing essays or papers of any kind, so it was really fortunate for me that college professors who teach freshman writing assume that high school taught the students NOTHING. Went on to get a degree in English with honors and I actually have a pretty well paying job off of it now.
27:07 lol omg this brings back memories. Sometimes I'd write an entire page for unknown essay questions and get full credit because the teacher didn't want to read it all 😂
These videos are great. As for the fight or flight thing, I sorta agree with Destiny but those biological reactions have a dramatic effect on a verbal interaction. I had a couple detectives show up at my door a few years ago and I was immediately freaked. I tried to remain calm and cool but it is amazing what happens. Your throat gets dry and your voice might crack and you can feel your limbs start to shake.
The detectives assured me that they were not at my house to question me as a suspect but rather, they hoped I might be a witness. My adrenaline was through the roof and I was completely on guard that they were lying to me. Turns out, they actually were telling the truth. Once we sat down for a minute and they asked their opening question I realized that they were asking about an incident from about 15 years prior that involved a possible teacher/student sex scandal. After that I was fine but holy hit.... that series of physical responses that take place when you are confronted by detectives is really jarring and it is really hard to appear unphased.
When you come in as a consultant but keep hearing boss music
It's so hard to listen to this when she talks about Roscoe Blvd because I live down the street. It's scary that monsters like her live among us.
Haha he said among us
@@kiernan1216 I'm voting you out first.
Amogus amogus amogus amogus amogus
@@mutedmutiny9542 No, those are killers. Killers know who they are. Killers don't enter the law force and trick others and themselves that they are normal. Monsters hide in the dark and under the bed, they are scared of the light. Killers walk up to you in broad day light and point a gun between your eyes.
Also why are you try to sound like a smart ass? It's not like you win anything. 😒
OP sus
Best editor on RUclips, dude. Love you.
As far as I'm aware resistance to torture interrogation training in the military is almost nonexistent. The navy once tried to train SEALS to resist waterboarding but found that waterboarding was too effective and had no training value. SERE (survival evasion resistance and escape) is close but is more about as the name says. You do get 'tortured,' not to become resistant to interrogation and torture but to learn what to expect if you are captured.
You don’t need to be special forces to receive instruction on torture/captivity. Just in a MOS/job that deals with sensitive info/high risk for POW situations. Tons of regular service members go to SERE school from pilots to analysts to special forces. It’s not that niche.
That deathnote clip gave me massive nostalgia, that anime is soooo gooood
Heyo editor, great job as always. I’ve got one little critique - in the little intro phase could you switch the colours associated with which clip is playing? I feel like the white would suit ‘video being played’ instead of the black.
Fight and flight can be activated in this situation but certain social constraints such as being interviewed by senior detectives does not allow you to literally “fight” the body doesn’t acknowledge these factors it just pumps you with adrenaline
I think he's pointing out that it will only help with physical output, not cognitive tasks like analysis or conversational ability.
"Fight or Flight" is just your body going into battle mode. You're either fighting your way out of that situation, or you're running for the hills. It's a perfectly understandable survival mechanism. It's why during an accident, some people do not even remember acting out their actions because their bodies literally go into survival mode to get them to get out of danger.
The physical response known as 'fight or flight' is triggered by extreme stress -- like, for example, being questioned about a murder. 'Fight or flight' has both physical and mental effects -- and those are what we are seeing here. That's my take anyhow.
I'm watching a video of a stream of Destiny watching a video and playing OSRS while I play OSRS. Peak content.
I graduated in 2011 and all the schools came up with different variations on "the [lame adjective] ones" 😂
HAHAHA, My graduation was 07' too and yes.... 007 themed too!!
"Notice how she goes on about things that don't require an explanation and weren't even required about to begin with..." "The suspect will go off on unrelated tangents as a means of momentary relief..."
Bruh this is just how I talk normally
Who have you murdered?
The fight-or-flight physiological response prepares you for taking a significant physical act like a physical fight or a rapid fleeing, but this is still that here. In situations like this your body immediately knows it's in danger and responds with that response, preparing you to respond to some sort of immediate "danger". It's just that the "fight" side of the decision was to remain and continue the discussion. Fight or flight responses can be triggered by a wide variety of threatening situations a person could find them self in in which they need to respond rapidly to a high stakes decision. It was evolved for physical needs, but can be triggered in pretty non-physically-demanding situations.
One thing I think people aren't taking into account here is that the tactic the detectives are using serves two purposes: if she's not worried about spending the rest of her life in prison, she might still be worried about her job. Lawyering up right out of the gate might not technically be considered evidence, but she could still be investigated as an employee and possibly even terminated.
these detectives finessed it like absolute pros. i generally hate cops but not murder detectives. these guys are really legends. the bunk and mcnulty would be proud
Her facial expressions remind me of Donald Trump 😅😂
sometimes, you just can't be resistent to interrogation techniques. you can't will yourself into being calm when you're nervous.
I could be mistaken, but I think the DNA collection without the suspect's consent is legal if law enforcement has a warrant to do so. Kind of like when they are undertaking a search procedure.
It’s common for them to follow the suspect around and wait for them to throw something away. Very common. I think it’s legal once they put something in the trash
@@tytar1037 That's what I thought, but am I wrong in assuming they would still need a warrant to do so in most states?
@@Alpine_Nightly not sure on that honestly. Once it’s in the trash it’s public, that’s my theory. Im curious myself
@@tytar1037 I guess for the actual DNA analysis they need a warrant, since this is the part actually touching personal rights. Picking up trash is fine, but a separate part of "the procedure" legally. Just my guess and what I believe is done here, no idea about US law.
I love watching/listening to these “interviews”
Dang, they really played her hard. Good though. Must have been from her "getting away" with this sick crime for so long.
Destiny finally checks out Death Note
35:00 I would argue here that its not that she was faking a state of reflection in the first question, but that she was in a more frantic state trying to work out how to answer the question in the least suspicious way, but in the last question she was calm because she could answer truthfully. Bit of a nitpick but thought Id put it out there
All of the physical things destiny described for a fight or flight response can happen in an argument where your life is at stake sweating adrenaline surging all of it so I don't know why he keeps bringing up these points as a counter point very strange only the Gods will know
Yeah but they are evolved to facilitate physical action, not an argument.
she delays knowing the man because she knows she has to lie but she has to work that out in her mind before she can decide when to lie
59:03 Imagine waking up in the middle of the night with that face right in front of you.
This is peak editing in the good way, the editor adds so much its ridiculous. Who is this guy?????
In the first minute, during the description of the injuries to the deceased, afflicted post-mortem, my very first thought was that this was personal and a crime of passion. How did the initial investigators not feel that????
As a police officer I can tell you you’re 110% correct. A lot of the guys I worked with I also went to HS with, and can attest to some being as dumb as a rock.
I remember I was in third grade class and the school just got evacuated. No one understood what was going on until we got outside and saw all those parents outside. We could see the smoke from our school because you can see the skyline from there.
I was home schooled only one year as well, but it was THE year of 9/11. One of the main reasons I remember how old I was
cool?
I'm glad he at least let us know it was nitpicky before demonstrating pure nitpickiness :)
I think that you can take someone's DNA from an item that they've thrown away. It's not like you're digging through someone's house or car, it's an item that has been discarded and can be taken by anyone.
There's actually 3 reactions imo, fight, flight and freeze. Some people just freeze up in a confrontation that has just went violent.
I have mastered the art of fake sleeping, the only problem I have is that I actually fall asleep 40% of the time.
I really like these react videos
Did anyone else take note that the bite mark was postmortem (left there probably to sell the break-in story) and it's the reason why they got her dna on the victim?
Fight = stand your ground and violence if needed, flight= run away, do whatever needed to get out of place.
Thanks!
i don't understand what this has to do with terror management theory, I thought that was about our motivations and cultures ultimately being ways to cope with our fear of death
Could be wrong but with regards to fight or flight - I'm pretty sure this not only doesn't prepare you for an argument, but it actually puts you in a less logical state of mind and therefore makes argumentation harder.
Thx for the tips destiny
"you cant just get someones DNA from trash without cause can you?"
well 1. trash becomes public once you throw it out
and 2. they..... literally had cause, she was the prime, and only suspect, ofc they had cause
yhats not true. I see people going through trash never getting in trouble. g0 through wawa trash and see how quickly the cops come
@@sheeemt399 People will give you shit for it though. I've thrown rubbish in other people's bins and people have had a go at me.
JCS has such a fantastic voice for narration. I can imagine a 90s TV show with it.
his narrator has a personal yt channel. nothing to crazy, but its nice to see the face behind the voice
40 hours for a private pilots license is months of intensive training. You would typically only do a couple hours on a day you are training, and if you have a full-time job, it's really hard to find time to fly. It's also really expensive. Renting a plane + fuel costs + private instructor is hundreds of dollars an hour. Also, you can't do much with just a private pilot's license.
Fight or flight absolutely can play into arguments, it isn't just a physical phenomenon
I love this series but it would be nice if Destiny was paying attention. I get the games thing but come on he’s just confused at the end
Fake sleeping is something you learn after living with a partner for long enough. Not only do you learn hos someone actually looks when they are sleeping, but also how they react to being talked to and touched while sleeping. I am now a master at faking being asleep; and one of the most sleeping looking thing is to pretend to pretend to be awake.
If someone throws something away in a trashcan, it is perfectly legal for others, including police, to take that thrown away item. This is somewhat common in law-enforcement and solving old murders. Or murders in general. DNA has been taken off of cups, cigarette butts, etc. for decades.
Anyone else find it kinda bullshitty that cops can say "Hey you're free to leave at any time" and then when you try to leave they arrest you?
I'm all for cops having the power to do their job but I'm not a fan of them just being able to effectively lie to you whenever they want.
Thats not true, in this case they just had enough evidence/suspicion to make that move
Cops have to be able to lie
I love that.. haha sike
Wow I was chillin watching that death note episode and the editor really didn't play the entire season..... 😑
The fact that she didn't mentioned they dated doesn't mean anything. Maybe she didn't want to have an association with a criminal before knowing a situation. She could be dismissed from a case, she could be asked to contact him for a case and she doesn't want to. There are a million of reasons
If you're suicidal, take a shot every time she says "maybe."
This lady's all "I'm a detective--I can talk my way out of this." Don't do it, Destiny fans. I know, you're the smartest person in the world, cool that's fine, but when it comes to the police? DON'T FUCKING TALK TO THE POLICE
They think it looks more suspicious but the law doesn’t care
That moment when you realize you are older than destiny
Had this kid in my class back in the day fully improvise a speech about Macbeth and got an A- and the reason why it wasn't an A is because he did not write anything down...lol
gosh, I'd have to check my pictures, it was a million years ago!
*Watching a video written by criminal psychologists
"That is factually wrong actually"
There's a lot of hills I'd die on, I dunno if fighting a group of psychologists on what a psychosomatic phenomenon is.
Honestly watching destiny’s takes on most psychology is super cringe. I cant prove it wrong myself but some stuff i’ve read a lot completely opposite.
Especially on something that takes all of five seconds to verify.
@@mickeyboy90 yeah, like don't get me wrong, I think destiny is generally smarter than your average dude, but he talks about how cringey most people's opinions on psych are, then proceeds to have the same mindset as an edgy anime protag
The only thing required to pass grade school is literally attendance
I’m gonna watch my favorite streamer watch my favorite RUclips channel…. This is getting way too meta :(
This is way late and destiny probably knows already but for those who don’t know: at around 2:30 they mention getting her dna without her knowing from a discarded coffee cup. It’s important to know the item was DISCARDED. Once you throw an item away it is no longer your property. So if you committed a crime, ordered pizza, didn’t eat the crust, and put that pizza in the garbage and take your garbage to to outside bin, or you throw an item away in a public trash can that has your dna on it, the cops can take that item and test without a warrant and tie you to the crime. It’s no longer your property and they can take it without your knowledge and legally. So if you plan on killing someone and the cops are onto you, finish your pizza crust
If someone started asking me about an ex I would immediately question why they were asking.
I would be suspicious of why someone is digging into my past and I am a private person.
That should be enough evidence. If not, virtually nobody would be condemmable for crimes.
1) She was defensive and obfuscating at every step of the investigation.
2) There was clear indicators that the dead woman was a victom of a grudge (due to the body being beat after death.)
3) The suspect had a direct reason for having a grudge and thus a motive to resort to violence or killing the victim in an altercation.
4) Autopsy may have show the bite to be fresh, meaning the suspect was at the scene of the crime.
I rest my case.
The fight-or-flight response has psychological effects too, such as black-and-white thinking. Hormones affect how your brain functions. This is common knowledge.
the last clip lmao
I was in 7th grade when the towers got hit and was in Study Hall. Never going to forget it because I lived in NY at the time so it was a huge deal and the school was trying to figure out whether to finish out the day, lockdown, or get busses ready to send us home.