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God I can't wait for school to be abolished so my future children can sit around playing video games all day so they can be prepared for their career as a 8 viewer twitch streamer.
Truly living up to your username. You need to get those kids on that capitalist grindset and get them working at age 5. No dinner until they reach that daily subscriber/donation goal.
Not to mention according to twitter leftist in next 25 years AI and Automation is gonna be so advanced that nobody has to work and they can just be a streamer, write bad poetry or play video games all day.
Its like DemonMamma fundamentally doesn't understand the concept of a child lol. She's genuinely asking what you're supposed to do when faced with a six year old who says 'no'.
My 6 year old has sometimes been defiant when he doesn't want to do something, or he wants something and I say "no". At least for my son, the solution is real easy and doesn't involve hurting him, but has several times involved me just picking him up and taking him to / away from something and the knowledge that there is nothing he can do about it. Now if DemonMama wants the hypothetical that he's going to go rabid at some point and try to claw my eyes out... first, I work CPS and kids going that bonkers for no reason is extremely rare, and second, most places have emergency behavioral health services for a child that out of control.
I noticed you were apprehensive and gave her the floor often when she was rudely interrupting you, I would really recommend you stand your ground, call her out immediately, shut that behavior down and be more firm in what you say.
Demonmama justifying children not getting any education is actually disgusting. Kids should have fun but they NEED to be prepared for when they grow up.
Heh so you’re saying you would be okay forcing a neurodivergent kid to attend a social space where they could experience traumatizing events such as being called a poopy head by their classmate?????
@@alecatnight1540 Let's not pretend that school can't actually be a deeply traumatizing experience. Kids can be incredibly cruel and hurt each other both physically and psychologically.
I dont get it because she could advocate for a less rigid education system that incorporates different kinds of learning for the kids she thinks could be left behind, but she has to find the most extreme positions and I honestly think it's just because it gets her engagement online because no normal people think like this.
I think being emotionally invested is reasonable if you actually care about the topics you're arguing about. I get emotionally invested myself. However, I do think that there is a kind of balance where you need to keep yourself in check rather than letting emotions run away from you. With Demonmama, she's not only emotionally invested but is fairly abrasive. I do also think that, like Joseph said, she's entirely too emotionally invested in "winning" or being right.
DemonMama's argument was so depressing. "Make school so interesting that all kids will want to go to school and we won't need to mandate it" is not a solution to kids not wanting to go to school. That's like saying "We should abolish our criminal justice system and instead get parents to raise their children perfectly so they won't commit any crimes."
I always say that I wish there were no hospitals, police and firefighters. Why? Well because if we did not have a need for them we would be living in a better place. Unfortunally we live in reality, and we need these systems in place, not because we can't do anything to leviate the problem, but because again we live in the real world where solutions take time and are not 100% effective we need to be realistic.
It also doesn't adress the problem that some children may want to attend school, but their parents don't want them or are too lazy or lack the means to bring them to school.
"In my system all kids will just choose to go to school, but in your system, all kids will violently resist going to school, therefore, my system works and yours doesn't" - DM
In your crappy capitalist system people are forced to clean sewers and murder livestock while in my wonderful socialist system people love beautifying sewers and making livestock go to sleep
I think the argument about changing the votes for a hippy dippy event might have been more bad faith, but yeah she's basically a crybully all the time.
I think DaScrubking and Vaush are both really obvious ones, Scrub because he was chill and good faith the whole time to the point where it was obvious she was walking all over him by constantly interrupting and calling him an incel, and Vaush because he was not only being reasonable the whole time but even conceded to her main point at the very start but just didn't accept her hyperbolic rephrasing of her initial claim, plus he's gone out of his way to defend her previously even at her worst so there's no presumption of them have previous beef which she can use to falsely claim that he serially harasses her. When it's against someone she's combative with she's really good at crybullying and playing the victim, but when she's against someone who's good faith and significantly less aggressive it becomes really obvious that she's just an asshole.
7:00 Pretending it would be easy to get kids to go to school if it wasn't mandatory is the most "I've never been a parent or even a babysitter" position you could ever have.
Fr as someone who babysits, its difficult to get a child to even hold your hand when you cross the street. Should I just allow them to run into traffic because Im not an authoritarian?
As a _physically_ disabled person, Destiny's take on not understanding general disability is 100% correct. It's so amazingly obvious when people have zero experience with disability and act like they know what they're talking about if you have experience (first or second hand).
@@dbz287 Not really without reeling off anecdotes with my own opinions attached. It's vague and hard to describe without going through it. It's in people's reactions mostly. Fear or short term selfish sympathy. People saying "I'd top myself if I had what you had" and acting like you're Superman for not doing so. Really tactless basic questions like "How do you shit?" or "Can you feel your legs?" or witless doctors saying "You're not walking much". Growing up I was by necessity with my Mum *a lot* and when I wasn't excited to see her at the end of the day people would lecture about "quality family time" failing to realise the sheer overabundance of it we were both forced to endure. You might be lucky enough to have a religious nut tell you to pray more and miracles will happen. I've had people tell me that physiotherapy (aka physical therapy) is supposed to hurt (it isn't). People assuming you're mentally disabled or just thick until you say something that demonstrates otherwise and then you're Superman again. The classic "Just go out more!" or the idea that sitting on the side lines while someone else does a thing is the same as doing said thing. Or being repeatedly offered help finding prostitutes. Idk. People are weird.
@@betzenjammer3980 I don't have a physical disability but fuck, the advice drives me nuts. I have severe ADHD and N24. If someone advises lists or sleep hygiene to me again, I am going to blow a gasket. Plus, fuck the people who thinks that ADHD meds "are a crutch" or need to be avoided at all costs. When I have kids, they are being assessed ASAP and getting on meds as soon as they're able. Not being medicated until I was an adult caused me so much completely unnecessary pain and suffering.
I have autism and ADHD and somehow listening to denimmomma made me dumber. Not that autistic people or ADHD people are dumb, just that I personally was. But now I'm stupid. Thanks denjismama
@amen ra we get it, you hate trans people. You're not the protagonist of the world, my guy. You don't have to constantly broadcast your opinions to everyone. You're really not that interesting or unique.
@amen ra just know the point of using Mama was both to stick to a jokey device, as well as not demean the person I'm making fun of simply for who they are outside of an idiot. I don't care that she's trans (please forgive me if I'm saying the wrong shit I don't keep track of ppls gender) but I do care that she's an idiot. I can only hope for a world where everyone feels the same.
Demonmama: I think vaccine mandates are good but not mandates for school because vaccine mandates stop something viral. Me: Isn't ignorance a force of nature that's needs to be fought?
This is the thing that I have yet to see addressed. Not to go full Idiocracy, but I would think it's fairly reasonable to expect that if education stops being mandated, far far fewer kids will go, laying the ground for succeeding generations to be significantly less intelligent.
@@joshuaeudy882 I definitely agree! Kinda been feeling the left and right have been pushing farther into anti-intellectualism to obtain more following than to use rationality and education to sway people. Personally I feel opinions play way too huge of a role in politics than it should be currently. Obvious debate is different than opinion but conspiracy and shit is getting a little toxic
I HATED school buttt... you can't just let kids be allowed to not go to school. The repercussions for the rest of their life and society as a whole are dramatic and tragic.
There was a lot to hate about school as a kid or teen but honestly there were some great times and I take so much of what it did for my childhood and general health for granted. Like yeah our education system needs some work but zero mandate? no way
@@MO-zk8qs Sending kids to school is important, in the same way it is important to socialize dogs. It allows them to form healthy relationships and learn how to coexist with others. Isolated kids end up having serious potential for problems in their adult life
@@MO-zk8qs I went to a secondary school at the end of high school where there was no homework and all the teachers actually cared. They were the happiest and most productive years of my teenage-hood and it was essentially because I had no anxiety or dread over home assignments; everything school related started and ended during school hours. I think having responsibilities akin homework are important but it can be a big source of misery for some kids. imo, they shouldn't tie the idea of mandatory work to learning.
I call Demonmama the Andrea Dworkin or the Fred Phelps of the trans movement. The reason I do, is both of those people were so angry and behaved in such an ugly, reprehensible way that they actually drove people away from their movements (feminism for Dworkin and Christianity for Phelps). Demonmama is the worst thing that could happen to the trans movement.
@@spitfiremase School is simultaneously a great and fun facility for learning that demon mama has never seen any child in her family reject and a traumatic, deeply flawed institution that will invoke violent feral rejection in children. Very interesting analysis on her part.
I'm an assistant teacher to developmentally disabled kids. What Destiny says at 38:40 is 100% correct. Sometimes school is the only hope these kids have to obtain a shred of personal autonomy, integration and ultimately happiness in their lives. Often their disorders get diagnosed late and the struggle is so grueling that their family is not enough support to overcome what difficulties they have. Coexistence with their classmates is extremely important and it's one of the reasons why, at least in my country, public schools try to accomodate them as much as possible, as isolated education is less effective. I would also add that neurotypical kids benefit from interacting with them.
"You seem pretty hyped for this" _20 minutes later_ "WAAAAIIT WOAH WOOOOOAAAAHH OH WOOOW! HANZHANZHANZ! EXCUSE ME! STOPSTOPSTOP HANZ IM DONE, IM DONE!" Ah the sweet smell of bloodsports in the morning.
Demonmama is so disconnected from reality. I remember as early as 3rd grade my classmates and I fantasized about destroying/blowing up our school. Idk how anyone would assume kids would prefer Math class over games or shows.
RIP Manato and Moguzo. Domo!!!! Demonmama seems to have chosen this topic literally to argue, doesn't listen has no real coherent point of view and the whole premise is devoid of reality and is just insane and impossible when placed in actual reality.
@@hismajestylordsmenkhare5878 Damn, a Light novel reader (and one with great taste.) Good to see another fan of Grimgar out in the wild :) And Joe Lewis had a debate with Hakim later that I thought went better on the subject. His argument being there should be some level of compulsory learning but it should be more locally/district decided than federally (in order to allow breathing room for local traditions, holidays, or weather phenomena.) I am still somewhat partial to an idealized group of federal mandates but at that point Joe had completely shut the conversation down to educate on the specifics of our current system and very particular phrasing involved.
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 here in UK school is mandatory unless you live quite rurally and there isnt a school nearby, if homeschooling is chosen to be done I believe proof that the child is actually being educated needs to be provided periodically. We also have exemptions for things like religious holidays etc but otherwise my opinion is that school needs to be mandatory up to a certain level such as highschool, university/college is the individuals choice otherwise people just won't be fit for society plus in life you have to do things you don't want to do, having to go to school when you don't want to helps build the needed mentality for life, improvements can be made obviously especially when it comes to bullying but overall it's a needed mandate I think
Something that I didn't see was why Destiny would go so hard against DM at first. I mean, there were flawed takes and everything, but it seemed a bit excessive. Now I totally get it, there truly is nothing positive associated with this encounter.
She thinks he hurt her feelings by making her look bad, when in reality he's just asking her questions and it's her own answers making her look bad. Sad and lame. Lmao.
they kill people, these kinds of people have such malignant personality flaws that if they couldn't scream and cry and destroy people online, they'd literally hack up hookers.
People like demon mama or Mike from PA are literally the types of people that the anti-sjw crowd from 2016 projected onto everyone else that was even remotely progressive..... I used to think people like this didn't genuinely exist. Or at least not outside of certain wacky circles on Tumblr. God, this is so bad..
I can assure you that in her day to day, DemonMama likely interacts with people as little as possible and the times she does interact with other people, it's very deliberate.
"Just make schools better and u won't have to force em to go" Gee, why didn't we think of that. It's like we weren't trying to do that already everywhere and always.
The worst thing that I hear DemonMama do is when she says “There are arguments to be made for…” It’s so cringe when she is in the middle of a debate where she’s supposed to make arguments, but instead, her argument is that there are, in fact, arguments to be made 😂
Okay, far from loving the idea of defending DemonMama but didn't she just say she enjoyed going to school, not that kids in general love going to school?
@@TheStraightGod I'm pretty sure Demonmama said themselves and siblings didn't have troubles wanting to go to school but it was also her position that there should be alternatives because the school system doesn't work and kids don't want to go. DemonMama will say anything that sounds optically enticing because actually winning a debate on the facts isn't the goal and never was. Just like a child playing make believe but being annoying about it, DemonMama never accepts defeat like as if the mere acknowledgement of it was somehow required. "your attack missed" "I'm impervious to your bullets" "I can't lose" It's like that, but in adult conversation format. Not agreeing with DemonMama is the same thing as being bad faith because she believes she must concede to lose and therefore if she hasn't conceded your assertion she is incorrect is gaslighting. People like this actually believe their own hype and are absolutely corrosive to whatever identity they attach themselves to as though they can represent it. If Trans people have trouble with good representation then the last thing they ever needed was DemonMama. An adult that refuses to accept reality. The literal actually very last thing a trans community would want to put on display as though it represents them as a whole. The idea that their identities are real and requires both consideration and respect being important, parading this vaush charade around would be completely antithetical. >Take us seriously, our position is valid and real. But also: Demon Mama. It just can't coexist. Trans people deserve good representation just like everyone else. Not self-proclaimed and grossly overly-entitled narcissists.
Man, I'm so tired of people claiming they're neurodivergent. At this point I don't even care if it's true or not, it's such a cheap conversation stopper.
I don't understand how anyone follows people like MikeFromPA or this DemonMama guy. They're so obviously not acting in good faith. How do they even have audiences?
Something I think demonmama can work on is listening to the other side. Whenever I watch her debates, it feels like she tries to debate a point that she thinks someone is gonna bring up that she already has a counter to and preemptively, a lot of the time, cuts them off to do so. Or like when she debated skrubking she would reframe his argument in a way that made him the incel (because that's the type of rhetoric she came to debate) and attack it over and over so it doesn't feel like she's even engaging with the person she is debating. She does this in a super aggressive way and tends to monologue at people not even giving them time to speak. In all her debates I have seen, she has spoken way more than the other party. She should try taking notes and asking more clarifying questions. This makes it feel more conversational and good faith instead of the prepared speeches she seems to have. She engages in debates in the same fashion as when she just making points to her chat.
But the thing is, the constant interrupting and not listening to the other side isn't a lack of debate experience or something she knows that needs to improve. It's a deliberate debate technique to not let the other side make an argument. When the ragequit happened, it was obvious that she couldn't counter the argument. In all the interactions I've seen of her so far, if she let the other side speak freely, it would be even more obvious how outclassed she is intellectually.
I'm always suspicious of people who want children "liberated", able to make choices for themselves as if they're adults. Pretty blatant where that road goes down.
Ah, the 1st world problem of trying to show off how you're "different, atypical, and special" while also claiming that all of society should conform to fit to your experience.
DemonMama is engaging in the Motte and Bailey fallacy, the Motte is "School should not be mandated because it has problems with it" and the Bailey is "School should not be mandated even if it is perfect." She keeps retreating to school having problems with it because it is a more defensible position as if it is justifying her more controversial point when it is not.
Plus if she can provide a good alternative to mandating schools (even if the schools are hypocritically perfect) she’d have a much stronger argument but she literally can’t come up with a single practical alternative solution for this.
School shouldn't be mandated because nobody should be forced to do things against their will for "the greater good" School will never be perfect. People are different, and we are not robots. This hypothetical doesn't work because it is impossible.
@@nb4411 "nobody shnobody should be forced to do things against their will for "the greater good"" i seriously doubt you believe this and the point of the hypothetical is pretty clear, doesnt matter if its impossible.
@@nb4411 >nobody should be forced to do things against their will for "the greater good" I know for a fact that you don't seriously believe this because that would mean you are incapable of thinking of any hypothetical situation where doing this would be morally justifiable, and I think that you are perfectly capable of this.
Dude I used to do the 7 million superstitious rituals for snow days like putting a wooden spoon under my pillow and flushing ice cubes down the toilet what world does DM live in lol
Not like mandatory schooling was put in place originally to get kids of fields (and later out of coal mines etc.) and provide them with knowledge that was previously limited to clerics/nobility...what a giant turd of an argument... Picture a 12 y/o from a poor background delivering newspapers all day to support his family, because there's literally nothing preventing it...
Dude, yes. That's the huge reason why this pisses me off because of how education was literally at one point a victim of gatekeeping only available to the rich. DM is just a privileged white individual with no clue what they're talking about.
Yep, really poor families need to get their kids working as early as possible, those kids are never gonna make much money without good education and their kids aren't going to either.
Get rid of mandatory schooling doesnt mean you must lose the right of free education, you are paying taxes for this, instead of this voucher system should be introduced.
It's painful that DM gets to have this opinion without there being a way for her to have to live with the consequences of seeing it happen. Like holy shit plug them into the Matrix for a few months in a version where half the kids haven't been going to school since 30 years ago and it's basically a third world country.
My mum runs a preschool/creche that was beside my house growing up and I was constantly in there. Kids love preschool because it's mostly play based and child led. I don't think it can be compared to more formal primary school or secondary school though.
Demon mama has no clue how real world child or humans work. She has been coddled by internet so much she forgot how intimidation works in real life. Kids are scared to heck by adults, especially parents. They don't have to beat up kids for every little thing. All they have to do sometimes is give them silent serious look of "this is your last chance to comply". And yeah, most of the world do throw around a little bit of slap here and there to their kids if they get out of the line. But when someone takes this to extreme position of beating your kids in an argument, they just are not being rational but trying to force you into agreeing by leaving you no response. Anyway, have we forgotten threats work in real life? Like you can yell a person into doing stuff, it's not ideal but it happens. And for kids it doesn't even require you to do that, all you do is give them that warning tone and they'd get in the school bus.
As someone with real diagnosed ocd, people saying "I'm so ocd because I like to have a neat workspace" might be the most damaging thjng to me getting support, it's becoming a point where I have to ask doctors to please check my notes so they know I'm not just inflating a problem. My house being messy and people coming in saying "I thought you had ocd" shows how massively misinformed the general population is on the condition, its not a cleaning super power, it's the fear that if I don't check my doors five times before bed someone absolutely will break in and kill me and my family, and I will not be able to convince myself otherwise even though if someone else said that I could easily be like "you're being unreasonable"
Not to mention the person in that clip was laughing at their own “tics,” meanwhile people with actual OCD/Tourette’s know how stressful it is to know you don’t want to act on an impulse, but that you HAVE to. Not giving in to a tic will stress you out so badly that once you finally give in, the relief is so massive that it creates a positive feedback loop where you’re rewarded for submitting to your uncontrollable impulses. It’s so disgusting to see people blatantly fake or misrepresent mental illness with no consideration for how traumatic or debilitating living day to day with an actual neurological disorder is.
"me and my siblings loved going to school, never had an occasion where i didn't like school." "um...i dont think you know hanz, that schools are damaging to every child. its not all sunshine and rainbows, children are being harmed at high rates"
This is so funny to watch. I have no idea how Hanz didn't burst out laughing at how inconsistent and nonsensical DM's arguments were. I'd have just started trolling after like 20 minutes.
Hanz: I don't want to know what you would personally do, I want to know what you're advocating for. Demonmama: *screams loudly* WOAH WOAH WOOOOAAAAHHH, YOU WANT TO BE PERFORMATIVE HUH? The complete lack of self awareness, DM comedy writes itself.
Demon momma's understanding of child rearing i insane.. @28:30 What is infuriating about people like this is they literally have no children and have never interacted with them in way where you have these kinds of conversations. What do you do when a child doesn't what to go to school? You explain to them the disadvantages and show real world examples. My son had this phase, as most kids do because some parents don't explain to them the utility of what they are learning. The "Why?" and it's need for it. Kids have a reputation of the ever regressive "why" questions but only the parents that don't want to learn WITH their child have that issue. If they want to know something, and they don't know a very common statement in my home was "Ok let's learn about this together.." You explain that in life we have to do things that maybe we would prefer not to do but if you want to reach a goal we have to find the drive for it. NONE OF OF WHAT I SAID is a knock out solution it's always going to take sitting down with the kid and having a conversation; something A LOT of parents don't have the patience for and when the alternative is so easy to do. "Do what I say or consequences." usually involving "spanking" or some bullshit. 30:18 - OMG this cunt. No you have a discussion about Courage and how sometimes one has to confront something despite being scared. This person have NEVER interacted with a child in a meaningful way.
Exactly. All of us with good parents were given the talk that, "sometimes in life we have to do things that we don't want to do." I feel like Demonmama was never given that talk. My parents were pretty strict in many ways, even made me practice the piano every day & I'd cry. But in hindsight, being made to do that was one of the best gifts they ever gave me! The truth is that kids don't know what's good for them, so parents have to help them along
@@scarlet8078 I don't think it was so much we DIDN'T wanted to do but rather we didn't understand why we needed to do what we needed to do. I'd tell my son "You think I wanna wipe my butt after I poo? It's gross!! But if I don't then I'll smell,...." and continue listing ACTUAL reasons not what a lot parents default to as "Because I said so." Also kids are just down ass people, wanting to be a part of something. As a parent it's our job is to teach them things like how to walk, so they can maneuver through space. Eat so they don't starve. Wash their hands to prevent diseases. Like destiny mentioned she's that woman who sees their child crying and is at a loss. I normally don't like to toss out the line "You don't have kids so you don't understand" since it's often used as an excuse but this is genuinely one of those moments. By her logic, her literally baby would never be forced to walk if they didn't want. No perspective at all.
Demon mama literally made 2 huge arguments for the first thirty minutes. The first is that kids hate school to the point that it's detrimental to their well being. The next 15 minutes is that kids all love school and that there is no need to force kids to go to school since all kids want to go. Which no only is the antithesis of the first argument. But also removes all potential harms for forcing kids to go to school (since everyone chooses it anyway)
You can't enforce it without enacting violence on the child. So either we give up the notion of mandatory schools or we beat children. I haven't heard a counter argument to this.
if you haven't managed to socialize your child well enough that they can actually face school - that's on you, and you've already failed. That's nothing to do with the school itself, and home schooling isn't going to solve that major malfunction.
@@xDDufiosy Bullying is a thing of course, but y'know what. Sometimes it's better to go through that rather than be protected all your life and end up entering college with 0 life experience
@@r1ght_n0w yeah, facing that kind of adversity is part of socialization, not everyone you meet will be kind to you. Sometimes you meet someone like demonmama who will gaslight you into oblivion.
@@r1ght_n0w Suicide is the second leading cause of death for teenagers aged 15-19. The idea that harassment is always going to be overcome or that it must be endured in order for a person to understand that they won't be universally liked is a thought that can only come out of the mind of someone who hasn't got even a remedial understanding of psychology.
I completely agree with Destiny's point around the 18:00 mark. I didn't give a shit about certain topics in school because of my interest levels. But later in life, I found myself extremely interested in those same topics and search for the information in my free time. So I completely agree with that proposal, if it were somehow manageable.
August, the content inserted at 36:25 is very eye-opening! 👍🏽💞 It's so true that social media feeds cause users to self-diagnose, because of how algorithms conflate identity & diagnoses. It's sad how many kids suddenly get convinced that they have conditions like DID (it's exceedingly rare, if it even exists at all in the form that's shown online)
Dear destiny's editor, Please take a sound bite of everyone in his debate space begging for someone to stop cutting them off and let them finish. If destiny had the ability to hit a soundboard that has his opponent saying the same thing they're doing in real time in their voice it would probably embarrass them into giving up the bottleneck they're putting in the conversation.
As a Wisconsinite there were times where it was 30 below sometimes and we'd still have to go to school. Also I think its funny she expects him to stake out every minor point but has so many assumptions built into hers. I had no father in the home and my mom did not care about my education at all. Didn't help me with any of the fees or time issues, didn check my notebooks or cared if I had homework, never went to pta meetings or when my teacher asked about my truancy/ homework issues. Not every parent is attentive to their child. My school also didn't really care about helping me with these problems either. They had this ass backwards way of not letting me into classes cuz I couldn't afford the fees and then would hit me with truancy fines when I didn't show up. Better schools and options are really the only answer here. School was hell and I took every chance not to go, it wasn't that I hated learning it was that the people who were in charge of facilitating that whether my parents or faculty couldn't have cared less about factors external to them. Idealization like this basing solutions off of your own behavior only alienates people who do not think that way or even those who dont have those people in their life to begin with and expecting a child to be mature enough to know the ramifications of their decisions in the long run is laughable. we already mandate what children can and cannot do in many other ways so I don't understand why this is the hill she wants to die on. What an incredibly privileged position to have
This has actually been really interesting to watch (destiny's takes) as someone who is a teacher and someone who was diagnosed with ADHD as an adult. In regards to the neurodivergent thing this was 100% my experience. when I was trialing different medications I would be anxious about giving the "right" answers in case they took away the medication that I had obsessively pinpointed as my salvation. I had bounced through life up to that point just thinking I was a regular f**k up and then suddenly someone says actually you may have a condition and we can treat that then suddenly I was terrified that they would say oh no you are just bad at life. In regards to the coercion at school, man I teach highschool (what we call college here) and 100% you would lose 3/4 of your boys and half of the the girls if there wasn't some coercion. I work in the lowest decile school (neighborhood has low wages and the least education among parents) and having kids turn is primarily because of coercion and even then it is a struggle. And it's sad because you can see how the system self perpetuates.
21:30 I went to boarding school. I actually have very fond memories. But we had to go sunday night to chapel, and remember always feeling dogshit all of sunday leading up to it.
I would have called bullshit on Demonmama talking about how much children love school but you have to remember she was raised in a deeply religious environment, I think she even called it a cult, so when the choice is to go to school vs stay at home in who knows what kind of horrible setting then that's such an easy choice. I'm sure she is confused all around but yeah I doubt she had a childhood that included things like tv or video games likely so going to school would have been something to look forward to for her.
Destiny: "it sucks kids are forced to learn so much at an age they do not care" 100% agree. I struggled massively in my school years, especially with an unhappy home life and mental health issues - I did not care about anything I learned (or retained it) I dropped out. speed up to my mid twenties and I've had the chance to go back school - I've learned so much and can fully focus on it in a way younger me would have been incapable of doing. I'm in European country where this wasn't costly - so I know the option isn't as easy in usa - it should be though. Adults should be able to go back and learn new things when they need or want to
Watching Destiny made me rethink a lot of stuff about leftists, at first i thought that being a "leftist" just meant supporting welfare, workers rights, environmentalism, pro LGBT, anti racism but these people are fucking insane, they will argue for free college on one side and for children not needing an education on the other
Destinys talk at the beginning about not arguing a point that wouldn't change your mind anyway is exactly what happens in a lot of abortion debates. "Why is abortion necessary? Because some people are raped. So if we allowed abortion in all cases of rape would you be against the rest of abortions? NO!! Then why did you even bring it up?"
This is a bad take because the debate is never exclusively about abortion in the case of rape. Rape is brought up as one of many examples of why abortion should be legal. Besides, it's a moot point when the overwhelming majority of pro-life activists and legislators *don't* believe that abortion should be legal even in the case of rape. If you really believe that abortion should be legal if and only if a woman was raped, go ahead and make that your thing.
@@Stirrups A lot don't, but there's definitely a non negligible number of people who think abortion should be legal only in certain cases, which usually includes rape.
@@Stirrups I never said the debate is only over rape. I am saying that people do make that argument. They will argue rape as their big reason why abortion should be allowed but that's pointless because conceding to cases of rape does not change their mind on the rest of abortions. Also plenty of conservatives would love to reduce abortions by conceding to cases of rape. The fact that they would like all abortions to go away is irrelevant. Imo one side is usually willing to compromise and the other is not.
Should kids be allowed to make the decision to not go to school?
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Stop running from me Destiny
Anyone who says kids can independently decide whether they require an education or not, needs to touch grass
No
Who?
They are allowed to choose that. It's up to the parents to figure out a way to get them an education.
God I can't wait for school to be abolished so my future children can sit around playing video games all day so they can be prepared for their career as a 8 viewer twitch streamer.
Truly living up to your username.
You need to get those kids on that capitalist grindset and get them working at age 5. No dinner until they reach that daily subscriber/donation goal.
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Kids generally like to learn.
Not to mention according to twitter leftist in next 25 years AI and Automation is gonna be so advanced that nobody has to work and they can just be a streamer, write bad poetry or play video games all day.
@@Bolizen they like to learn what interests them, not what is beneficial to them or society.
Its like DemonMamma fundamentally doesn't understand the concept of a child lol. She's genuinely asking what you're supposed to do when faced with a six year old who says 'no'.
Give them controlling stakes in society obviously.
Lol exactly. Tell me you have never had to raise a kid without telling me
@@EdgarFriendlysCivicsTeacher let them vote
My 6 year old has sometimes been defiant when he doesn't want to do something, or he wants something and I say "no".
At least for my son, the solution is real easy and doesn't involve hurting him, but has several times involved me just picking him up and taking him to / away from something and the knowledge that there is nothing he can do about it.
Now if DemonMama wants the hypothetical that he's going to go rabid at some point and try to claw my eyes out... first, I work CPS and kids going that bonkers for no reason is extremely rare, and second, most places have emergency behavioral health services for a child that out of control.
@@DemothHymside exactly, whats the kid gonna do, stab you cuz you didnt listen to his no? xD
The virgin "schools are deeply flawed" vs the chad "how do I expand Runescape's display?"
skipping school to play runescape? its just like real life 10 years ago
@@aagh8714 No joke. My favorite summer vacations ever are the ones back in 7th/8th grade where I just played RuneScape all day.
lmaoooooo so good
If Demonmama attempted to raise a child the way she wants to, she's literally end up being the mama of a demon.
Hopefully it would be taken away from her so it doesn’t end up in a straight jacket
Hard to argue with that.
Well she's a guy, so
@@sanjicook08 stop
@@sanjicook08 the BASEketball reference we didn't know we needed. Thank you for your service
Destiny: “Oh August cut here.”
August: “You have no power here.”
This is practically August's channel anyway, Destiny just happens to appear all the time.
Destiny the grey
You have no power here, Destiny the gay.
I mean Destiny the latinx bi 🤪
@@armaan1091 gusanx
@@limear
True.
/s
Thanks for the review, appreciate the feedback. Will try to continue to improve my debating skills in the future!
"education is the Basis of society"(🤢🤮) vs "yummy food"(🥵😋)
Your comments in chat were fucking gold as well Hanz. Class fucking act, A plus my dude.
Fucking Natty for Life! Classic.
This should be pinned. Thanks for the debate :)
I noticed you were apprehensive and gave her the floor often when she was rudely interrupting you, I would really recommend you stand your ground, call her out immediately, shut that behavior down and be more firm in what you say.
@@markallen6433 imagine being natty, test + tren + deca 🤩
Demonmama justifying children not getting any education is actually disgusting. Kids should have fun but they NEED to be prepared for when they grow up.
Heh so you’re saying you would be okay forcing a neurodivergent kid to attend a social space where they could experience traumatizing events such as being called a poopy head by their classmate?????
Demonmama taking an essentially anti-intellectualism stance while posturing as the "ackshually enlightened one"? Well I'll be damned. Shocking!
@@alecatnight1540 Let's not pretend that school can't actually be a deeply traumatizing experience. Kids can be incredibly cruel and hurt each other both physically and psychologically.
@@alecatnight1540 so what's ur solution to that problem? Not sending em to school?
I dont get it because she could advocate for a less rigid education system that incorporates different kinds of learning for the kids she thinks could be left behind, but she has to find the most extreme positions and I honestly think it's just because it gets her engagement online because no normal people think like this.
Why is demon mama always so emotionally invested in her arguments? It never works out for her LMAO
she's emotionally invested in winning imo. i don't think she has cares about much
she’s so angry all the time like girl chill tf out lol
I think being emotionally invested is reasonable if you actually care about the topics you're arguing about. I get emotionally invested myself. However, I do think that there is a kind of balance where you need to keep yourself in check rather than letting emotions run away from you.
With Demonmama, she's not only emotionally invested but is fairly abrasive. I do also think that, like Joseph said, she's entirely too emotionally invested in "winning" or being right.
@@OlPalJoe *flashback to Dylan's panel*
being emotionally invested isn't a problem, she was just emotionally invested and wrong
Screaming matches in this fine Friday morning *rubs hands like birdman *
Love your reactions man! Keep up the grind
Ummm what are you talking about? It's evening in central Europe...
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
@@boringname3657 ……….I’m in America
@@HollaAtKrazy I live in central Europe and I've never been in America, so that's the whole world for me. Get used to it.
Demonmama: "Do you beat your kid Hans?"
Also Demonmama: "I didn't expect this much bad faith from you"
I love demonmama-destiny interactions they're the funniest shit ever.
Have you seen Twitter?!??
@@shockwavesyndrome6433 why isn’t that a dono sound yet
@@shockwavesyndrome6433 I will bear witness to the deepest pits of hell, dankest depths of tartarus, and ends of the Styx before I open Twitter.
@@shockwavesyndrome6433 DO YOU THINK IM SOME SORT OF JESTER
@@aagh8714 waiteaiwaiwaiwaiwait… wHaT?? Waiitwaiwaiwaiwait… WhAT
No one has ever called a school lunch "yummy"
SOYYY PIZZA ROLLS
Aye speak for yourself homie the hot lunches in my county gave us tacos on Fridays hahahaha
I work in a school. We have these cheese stick things that are like the stuffed crust part of the pizza only and they're the fucking BOMB.
Those alien cheese sticks were fire tho.
the burgers at my school were really good, although I went to a private school who had a professional food service so that's prolly why
DemonMama's argument was so depressing. "Make school so interesting that all kids will want to go to school and we won't need to mandate it" is not a solution to kids not wanting to go to school. That's like saying "We should abolish our criminal justice system and instead get parents to raise their children perfectly so they won't commit any crimes."
I always say that I wish there were no hospitals, police and firefighters. Why? Well because if we did not have a need for them we would be living in a better place. Unfortunally we live in reality, and we need these systems in place, not because we can't do anything to leviate the problem, but because again we live in the real world where solutions take time and are not 100% effective we need to be realistic.
she probably unironically believes that too so
school makes kids dumber
Very similar to aolish the healthcare system and just ban all fast food, sweet drinks, and all other processed consumables.
It also doesn't adress the problem that some children may want to attend school, but their parents don't want them or are too lazy or lack the means to bring them to school.
"In my system all kids will just choose to go to school, but in your system, all kids will violently resist going to school, therefore, my system works and yours doesn't" - DM
In your crappy capitalist system people are forced to clean sewers and murder livestock while in my wonderful socialist system people love beautifying sewers and making livestock go to sleep
Destiny saying "August, Cut" like it's a Harry Potter spell is the greatest.
time stamp?
@@Ae86nny 1:45 ~
Factually it is
Has the same energy as "AZIZ, LIGHT!"
@@JoseVasquez-ni7tr yeah, lol
This is literally the most blatantly bad faith discussion Demonmama ever had, this is horrible
Every discussion Demonmana ever has is bad faith.
I think the argument about changing the votes for a hippy dippy event might have been more bad faith, but yeah she's basically a crybully all the time.
I think DaScrubking and Vaush are both really obvious ones, Scrub because he was chill and good faith the whole time to the point where it was obvious she was walking all over him by constantly interrupting and calling him an incel, and Vaush because he was not only being reasonable the whole time but even conceded to her main point at the very start but just didn't accept her hyperbolic rephrasing of her initial claim, plus he's gone out of his way to defend her previously even at her worst so there's no presumption of them have previous beef which she can use to falsely claim that he serially harasses her. When it's against someone she's combative with she's really good at crybullying and playing the victim, but when she's against someone who's good faith and significantly less aggressive it becomes really obvious that she's just an asshole.
lol, no, not even close.
When acting in bad faith, just tell the other person they’re acting in bad faith so you don’t look like you’re acting in bad faith
Spoken like a heretic
Do you guys not get sick of using the phrase "Bad faith"?
@@ARealPersonNotABot no, im a dark souls fan
But, if you say that someone is bad faith, that could seem like a bad faith dismissal of their arguments.
Projection is one of the most effective tools in all of rhetoric.
The chat message at 40:42 "You told this story like an hour ago" killed me LUL
Ha ha ha, good one
7:00 Pretending it would be easy to get kids to go to school if it wasn't mandatory is the most "I've never been a parent or even a babysitter" position you could ever have.
For reals homie, the most annoying part is the arrogance coupled with the obvious privileged life they had when growing up.
I’m confident she hasn’t even ever encountered a living child.
@@xDDufiosy THIS, holy shit, I could point to any of my siblings, cousins, etc, and disprove her, wtf is her logic?
I actually dont think anyone I've heard speak from that side of the isle has kids.
Fr as someone who babysits, its difficult to get a child to even hold your hand when you cross the street. Should I just allow them to run into traffic because Im not an authoritarian?
As a _physically_ disabled person, Destiny's take on not understanding general disability is 100% correct. It's so amazingly obvious when people have zero experience with disability and act like they know what they're talking about if you have experience (first or second hand).
Can you give an example
There's a million examples, tons of examples
@@dbz287 Not really without reeling off anecdotes with my own opinions attached. It's vague and hard to describe without going through it. It's in people's reactions mostly. Fear or short term selfish sympathy. People saying "I'd top myself if I had what you had" and acting like you're Superman for not doing so. Really tactless basic questions like "How do you shit?" or "Can you feel your legs?" or witless doctors saying "You're not walking much". Growing up I was by necessity with my Mum *a lot* and when I wasn't excited to see her at the end of the day people would lecture about "quality family time" failing to realise the sheer overabundance of it we were both forced to endure. You might be lucky enough to have a religious nut tell you to pray more and miracles will happen. I've had people tell me that physiotherapy (aka physical therapy) is supposed to hurt (it isn't). People assuming you're mentally disabled or just thick until you say something that demonstrates otherwise and then you're Superman again. The classic "Just go out more!" or the idea that sitting on the side lines while someone else does a thing is the same as doing said thing. Or being repeatedly offered help finding prostitutes. Idk. People are weird.
@@LB-mr8qv Golden
@@betzenjammer3980 I don't have a physical disability but fuck, the advice drives me nuts. I have severe ADHD and N24. If someone advises lists or sleep hygiene to me again, I am going to blow a gasket. Plus, fuck the people who thinks that ADHD meds "are a crutch" or need to be avoided at all costs. When I have kids, they are being assessed ASAP and getting on meds as soon as they're able. Not being medicated until I was an adult caused me so much completely unnecessary pain and suffering.
I have autism and ADHD and somehow listening to denimmomma made me dumber. Not that autistic people or ADHD people are dumb, just that I personally was. But now I'm stupid. Thanks denjismama
@amen ra cringe
@amen ra we get it, you hate trans people. You're not the protagonist of the world, my guy. You don't have to constantly broadcast your opinions to everyone. You're really not that interesting or unique.
@@qwerty1233787 i thought it was interesting and unique
@amen ra just know the point of using Mama was both to stick to a jokey device, as well as not demean the person I'm making fun of simply for who they are outside of an idiot. I don't care that she's trans (please forgive me if I'm saying the wrong shit I don't keep track of ppls gender) but I do care that she's an idiot. I can only hope for a world where everyone feels the same.
@@qwerty1233787 spot the vaush fan "my guy"
I don’t know if I can finish this, demonmama is bad for my blood pressure.
Is this why my blood pressure is 168/82?
Literally hit the desk as I was watching this. Gotta chill.
I can’t finish this video either, it’s actually so painful to listen to lmaoo
This is why we need to mandate demon mama x destiny videos
My only takeaway from this is Demonmama shouldn't give parental advice.
August, thanks for the wee treat at the end we don't deserve you.
Non parents giving parental advice always makes me cringe into oblivion.
Demonmama: I think vaccine mandates are good but not mandates for school because vaccine mandates stop something viral.
Me: Isn't ignorance a force of nature that's needs to be fought?
This is the thing that I have yet to see addressed. Not to go full Idiocracy, but I would think it's fairly reasonable to expect that if education stops being mandated, far far fewer kids will go, laying the ground for succeeding generations to be significantly less intelligent.
@@joshuaeudy882 I definitely agree! Kinda been feeling the left and right have been pushing farther into anti-intellectualism to obtain more following than to use rationality and education to sway people. Personally I feel opinions play way too huge of a role in politics than it should be currently. Obvious debate is different than opinion but conspiracy and shit is getting a little toxic
I HATED school buttt... you can't just let kids be allowed to not go to school. The repercussions for the rest of their life and society as a whole are dramatic and tragic.
Yeah, learning to read and getting used to being around hundreds of strangers should be enough to make school a no-brainer.
There was a lot to hate about school as a kid or teen but honestly there were some great times and I take so much of what it did for my childhood and general health for granted.
Like yeah our education system needs some work but zero mandate? no way
@@MO-zk8qs Sending kids to school is important, in the same way it is important to socialize dogs. It allows them to form healthy relationships and learn how to coexist with others. Isolated kids end up having serious potential for problems in their adult life
@@MO-zk8qs I went to a secondary school at the end of high school where there was no homework and all the teachers actually cared. They were the happiest and most productive years of my teenage-hood and it was essentially because I had no anxiety or dread over home assignments; everything school related started and ended during school hours. I think having responsibilities akin homework are important but it can be a big source of misery for some kids. imo, they shouldn't tie the idea of mandatory work to learning.
I had 60% attendance all of school and I turned out great
DemonMama brings out the worst in me, I must really control myself not to post a nuclear comment with every insult in the book.
Go for it. I'd rather not hear about someone having randomly combusted on the news tomorrow. Besides it's only Demonmama.
I call Demonmama the Andrea Dworkin or the Fred Phelps of the trans movement. The reason I do, is both of those people were so angry and behaved in such an ugly, reprehensible way that they actually drove people away from their movements (feminism for Dworkin and Christianity for Phelps). Demonmama is the worst thing that could happen to the trans movement.
@amen ra misgendering is just rude though - let’s insult her, but not just be transphobic
@@andersmeisner1642 Being rude to people can definitely be an insult..
@@calculator91 Sure, but misgendering is not only just rude, it’s unnecessarily cruel. And, it would hive her ammunition against us.
I never knew who demonmama was, but boy does she like to act like she's being interrupted when she cuts everyone off.
Also: I never not wanted to go to school paired with school is traumatizing in the same case.
Ok.
@@spitfiremase School is simultaneously a great and fun facility for learning that demon mama has never seen any child in her family reject and a traumatic, deeply flawed institution that will invoke violent feral rejection in children. Very interesting analysis on her part.
An actual parent watches two non-parents slapfight about how to raise children. AMAZING!
Yup!
Read this is JLP’s voice.
Destiny has a kid who is 11 yo i think
I'm an assistant teacher to developmentally disabled kids. What Destiny says at 38:40 is 100% correct. Sometimes school is the only hope these kids have to obtain a shred of personal autonomy, integration and ultimately happiness in their lives. Often their disorders get diagnosed late and the struggle is so grueling that their family is not enough support to overcome what difficulties they have. Coexistence with their classmates is extremely important and it's one of the reasons why, at least in my country, public schools try to accomodate them as much as possible, as isolated education is less effective. I would also add that neurotypical kids benefit from interacting with them.
"You seem pretty hyped for this"
_20 minutes later_
"WAAAAIIT WOAH WOOOOOAAAAHH OH WOOOW! HANZHANZHANZ! EXCUSE ME! STOPSTOPSTOP HANZ IM DONE, IM DONE!"
Ah the sweet smell of bloodsports in the morning.
Do you really enjoy screaming or do you just say you enjoy screaming
@@radscorpion8 People screaming about dumb political issues soothes me like a lullaby
@@kevincola3184 With how Twitch is this is the closest we'll get. Sadly content like the Kumite is now a bygone age.
Demonmama is so disconnected from reality. I remember as early as 3rd grade my classmates and I fantasized about destroying/blowing up our school. Idk how anyone would assume kids would prefer Math class over games or shows.
RIP Manato and Moguzo. Domo!!!!
Demonmama seems to have chosen this topic literally to argue, doesn't listen has no real coherent point of view and the whole premise is devoid of reality and is just insane and impossible when placed in actual reality.
@@hismajestylordsmenkhare5878 Damn, a Light novel reader (and one with great taste.) Good to see another fan of Grimgar out in the wild :)
And Joe Lewis had a debate with Hakim later that I thought went better on the subject. His argument being there should be some level of compulsory learning but it should be more locally/district decided than federally (in order to allow breathing room for local traditions, holidays, or weather phenomena.) I am still somewhat partial to an idealized group of federal mandates but at that point Joe had completely shut the conversation down to educate on the specifics of our current system and very particular phrasing involved.
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 here in UK school is mandatory unless you live quite rurally and there isnt a school nearby, if homeschooling is chosen to be done I believe proof that the child is actually being educated needs to be provided periodically. We also have exemptions for things like religious holidays etc but otherwise my opinion is that school needs to be mandatory up to a certain level such as highschool, university/college is the individuals choice otherwise people just won't be fit for society plus in life you have to do things you don't want to do, having to go to school when you don't want to helps build the needed mentality for life, improvements can be made obviously especially when it comes to bullying but overall it's a needed mandate I think
Something that I didn't see was why Destiny would go so hard against DM at first. I mean, there were flawed takes and everything, but it seemed a bit excessive. Now I totally get it, there truly is nothing positive associated with this encounter.
My entertainment
The positive thing is now more people are aware of the DM grift.
@@melancomas8076 i usually like these type of content but this was just too much for me. Lost braincells trying to sit through this one.
She thinks he hurt her feelings by making her look bad, when in reality he's just asking her questions and it's her own answers making her look bad. Sad and lame. Lmao.
i've yet to find anything positive about dm anywhere
people like demonmama and mikefrompa seem like such insane people, where do these kinds of people fit into normal society if they can't scream online
they kill people, these kinds of people have such malignant personality flaws that if they couldn't scream and cry and destroy people online, they'd literally hack up hookers.
People like demon mama or Mike from PA are literally the types of people that the anti-sjw crowd from 2016 projected onto everyone else that was even remotely progressive..... I used to think people like this didn't genuinely exist. Or at least not outside of certain wacky circles on Tumblr. God, this is so bad..
I can assure you that in her day to day, DemonMama likely interacts with people as little as possible and the times she does interact with other people, it's very deliberate.
Kinda unbelievable DemonMama has followers
"Just make schools better and u won't have to force em to go"
Gee, why didn't we think of that. It's like we weren't trying to do that already everywhere and always.
The worst thing that I hear DemonMama do is when she says “There are arguments to be made for…”
It’s so cringe when she is in the middle of a debate where she’s supposed to make arguments, but instead, her argument is that there are, in fact, arguments to be made 😂
>"kids actually love going to school"
aight I'm out
Okay, far from loving the idea of defending DemonMama but didn't she just say she enjoyed going to school, not that kids in general love going to school?
Real quick Jenny, how much Destiny do you watch? Like.. you click on your profile and it's all reactions on Destiny stuff
@@TheStraightGod I'm pretty sure Demonmama said themselves and siblings didn't have troubles wanting to go to school but it was also her position that there should be alternatives because the school system doesn't work and kids don't want to go.
DemonMama will say anything that sounds optically enticing because actually winning a debate on the facts isn't the goal and never was. Just like a child playing make believe but being annoying about it, DemonMama never accepts defeat like as if the mere acknowledgement of it was somehow required.
"your attack missed" "I'm impervious to your bullets" "I can't lose" It's like that, but in adult conversation format. Not agreeing with DemonMama is the same thing as being bad faith because she believes she must concede to lose and therefore if she hasn't conceded your assertion she is incorrect is gaslighting.
People like this actually believe their own hype and are absolutely corrosive to whatever identity they attach themselves to as though they can represent it. If Trans people have trouble with good representation then the last thing they ever needed was DemonMama. An adult that refuses to accept reality. The literal actually very last thing a trans community would want to put on display as though it represents them as a whole. The idea that their identities are real and requires both consideration and respect being important, parading this vaush charade around would be completely antithetical.
>Take us seriously, our position is valid and real. But also: Demon Mama.
It just can't coexist.
Trans people deserve good representation just like everyone else. Not self-proclaimed and grossly overly-entitled narcissists.
Man, I'm so tired of people claiming they're neurodivergent. At this point I don't even care if it's true or not, it's such a cheap conversation stopper.
I don't understand how anyone follows people like MikeFromPA or this DemonMama guy. They're so obviously not acting in good faith. How do they even have audiences?
Something I think demonmama can work on is listening to the other side. Whenever I watch her debates, it feels like she tries to debate a point that she thinks someone is gonna bring up that she already has a counter to and preemptively, a lot of the time, cuts them off to do so. Or like when she debated skrubking she would reframe his argument in a way that made him the incel (because that's the type of rhetoric she came to debate) and attack it over and over so it doesn't feel like she's even engaging with the person she is debating. She does this in a super aggressive way and tends to monologue at people not even giving them time to speak. In all her debates I have seen, she has spoken way more than the other party. She should try taking notes and asking more clarifying questions. This makes it feel more conversational and good faith instead of the prepared speeches she seems to have. She engages in debates in the same fashion as when she just making points to her chat.
She's not interested in that. All she wants is cheap dunks on her opponents, because she's like a worse Vaush clone.
But the thing is, the constant interrupting and not listening to the other side isn't a lack of debate experience or something she knows that needs to improve. It's a deliberate debate technique to not let the other side make an argument. When the ragequit happened, it was obvious that she couldn't counter the argument. In all the interactions I've seen of her so far, if she let the other side speak freely, it would be even more obvious how outclassed she is intellectually.
21:50 Destiny refers to himself as a "we" implying he is multiple. The true 5head.
the royal wee
I'm always suspicious of people who want children "liberated", able to make choices for themselves as if they're adults. Pretty blatant where that road goes down.
Yeah, I’m pretty sure NAMBLA was all for the same thing.
It all makes so much sense now. Recently calling vg an advocate for child r***. I see it so clearly now its all projection keepo
@@gabrielgyorffy1373 That conversation was embarassing.
@@cokeMONSTERps3 what did he even say?
@@EbolaWagon beats me. Recollections gone.
I'm liking Destiny's beard. Not liking the lack of multitasking gaming and eating while analyzing this debate though.
Swedish internet connection took it from us
He didn't bring his styrofoam cups for hot chocolate either.
We need get interrupted by a tall Swedish lady this time though so that was fun
he was playing runescape he just cant show on laptop
Ah, the 1st world problem of trying to show off how you're "different, atypical, and special" while also claiming that all of society should conform to fit to your experience.
any Destiny video that has a quote and black background for the thumbnail is a certified hood classic
DemonMama is engaging in the Motte and Bailey fallacy, the Motte is "School should not be mandated because it has problems with it" and the Bailey is "School should not be mandated even if it is perfect." She keeps retreating to school having problems with it because it is a more defensible position as if it is justifying her more controversial point when it is not.
Plus if she can provide a good alternative to mandating schools (even if the schools are hypocritically perfect) she’d have a much stronger argument but she literally can’t come up with a single practical alternative solution for this.
School shouldn't be mandated because nobody should be forced to do things against their will for "the greater good" School will never be perfect. People are different, and we are not robots. This hypothetical doesn't work because it is impossible.
@@chanr9531 She doesn't need to come up with an alternative. Her argument does not rely on this. It's not up to her to come up with alternatives.
@@nb4411 "nobody shnobody should be forced to do things against their will for "the greater good"" i seriously doubt you believe this and the point of the hypothetical is pretty clear, doesnt matter if its impossible.
@@nb4411 >nobody should be forced to do things against their will for "the greater good"
I know for a fact that you don't seriously believe this because that would mean you are incapable of thinking of any hypothetical situation where doing this would be morally justifiable, and I think that you are perfectly capable of this.
"consider this a serious mark on our friendship" new dono sound when
"You haven't earned the right to be this condescending" sums up Demon Mama's entire online persona.
Dude I used to do the 7 million superstitious rituals for snow days like putting a wooden spoon under my pillow and flushing ice cubes down the toilet what world does DM live in lol
I did the same but it never worked. Maybe it has something to do with living in Miami?
I was legit shocked to hear her give that take. She must have just lived her entire life never seeing any children irl to have this bad of a take
“WOAH WOAH HOAH!“
- DemonMama 2021
Yeah umhm siiiiiiiiiiiiggggghhhh yep
When I meet people like this, I make it my goal to figure out how to never have to interact with them again
@@MrMctastics yeah it’s pretty yikestiny
“Yummy food”
-DemonMama 2021
How anyone can watch DemonMama and find it entertaining/enlightening is beyond me.
Sanctimonious, incoherent, tempestuous.
Demon Mama is utterly vacuous. All fluff, no point, but still feels the need to monopolize the conversation and interject constantly.
Not like mandatory schooling was put in place originally to get kids of fields (and later out of coal mines etc.) and provide them with knowledge that was previously limited to clerics/nobility...what a giant turd of an argument...
Picture a 12 y/o from a poor background delivering newspapers all day to support his family, because there's literally nothing preventing it...
Dude, yes.
That's the huge reason why this pisses me off because of how education was literally at one point a victim of gatekeeping only available to the rich.
DM is just a privileged white individual with no clue what they're talking about.
Yep, really poor families need to get their kids working as early as possible, those kids are never gonna make much money without good education and their kids aren't going to either.
Get rid of mandatory schooling doesnt mean you must lose the right of free education, you are paying taxes for this, instead of this voucher system should be introduced.
August taking the “cut here” literally lmao 🦆
August has clearly reached the point where he knows he can be a bit sassy and it's just great
It's painful that DM gets to have this opinion without there being a way for her to have to live with the consequences of seeing it happen. Like holy shit plug them into the Matrix for a few months in a version where half the kids haven't been going to school since 30 years ago and it's basically a third world country.
if she ever has kids, she will realize.
Who, unironically, calls themselves “DemonMama”? 😒
At least Destiny is just a woman’s name.
haha
@@hughmungous3357 Thank god RUclips’s translation feature translated your “haha” into “Lol.” That was super necessary. Thanks, RUclips.
@@unconcernedcitizen4092 yeah tf is that about omegalul
"What happens when your kid fights you to not get in the car"
Bro I'm not losing to a 6 year old tf?
Is hugging violence? No? Well that's basically all I need to do to get them in the car, problem solved.
No Gish, All Gallop. The famous DM Troll Trot
Oh fuck. "Sunday not being a real weekend day" triggered something in me.
Also, BRAH... wasn't ready for the Ocelot vs Liquid clip. Thanks man
Because Sunday isn't really on the weekend. THIS MAN DON'T MISS
It really hurts how true that is. Even post school, in career mode. You have Saturday off. You have Sunday to get ready for the next week.
Of the upwards of 60 kindergarten children I've taught, ONE was terrified of school and she mostly got over that in 2 months
My mum runs a preschool/creche that was beside my house growing up and I was constantly in there. Kids love preschool because it's mostly play based and child led. I don't think it can be compared to more formal primary school or secondary school though.
Demon mama has no clue how real world child or humans work. She has been coddled by internet so much she forgot how intimidation works in real life. Kids are scared to heck by adults, especially parents. They don't have to beat up kids for every little thing. All they have to do sometimes is give them silent serious look of "this is your last chance to comply".
And yeah, most of the world do throw around a little bit of slap here and there to their kids if they get out of the line. But when someone takes this to extreme position of beating your kids in an argument, they just are not being rational but trying to force you into agreeing by leaving you no response.
Anyway, have we forgotten threats work in real life? Like you can yell a person into doing stuff, it's not ideal but it happens. And for kids it doesn't even require you to do that, all you do is give them that warning tone and they'd get in the school bus.
"I just want to have a good discourse"
JUST MISS ONCE KING!
As someone with real diagnosed ocd, people saying "I'm so ocd because I like to have a neat workspace" might be the most damaging thjng to me getting support, it's becoming a point where I have to ask doctors to please check my notes so they know I'm not just inflating a problem.
My house being messy and people coming in saying "I thought you had ocd" shows how massively misinformed the general population is on the condition, its not a cleaning super power, it's the fear that if I don't check my doors five times before bed someone absolutely will break in and kill me and my family, and I will not be able to convince myself otherwise even though if someone else said that I could easily be like "you're being unreasonable"
Not to mention the person in that clip was laughing at their own “tics,” meanwhile people with actual OCD/Tourette’s know how stressful it is to know you don’t want to act on an impulse, but that you HAVE to.
Not giving in to a tic will stress you out so badly that once you finally give in, the relief is so massive that it creates a positive feedback loop where you’re rewarded for submitting to your uncontrollable impulses. It’s so disgusting to see people blatantly fake or misrepresent mental illness with no consideration for how traumatic or debilitating living day to day with an actual neurological disorder is.
"me and my siblings loved going to school, never had an occasion where i didn't like school."
"um...i dont think you know hanz, that schools are damaging to every child. its not all sunshine and rainbows, children are being harmed at high rates"
This is so funny to watch. I have no idea how Hanz didn't burst out laughing at how inconsistent and nonsensical DM's arguments were. I'd have just started trolling after like 20 minutes.
“kids like learning” “what if he kills his parents and escapes the school like a prison room”
I find it hilarious that Demon Mama is using all the same talking points that little kids use to get elected as class rep in Year 2/2nd Grade.
😭😭😭
Hanz: I don't want to know what you would personally do, I want to know what you're advocating for.
Demonmama: *screams loudly* WOAH WOAH WOOOOAAAAHHH, YOU WANT TO BE PERFORMATIVE HUH?
The complete lack of self awareness, DM comedy writes itself.
Who is "she"? I only hear dudes talking
That Ahrelevant clip is the truest shit I've ever heard. I did this with the free lunch programs in the summer. 🤣
Demon momma's understanding of child rearing i insane..
@28:30
What is infuriating about people like this is they literally have no children and have never interacted with them in way where you have these kinds of conversations.
What do you do when a child doesn't what to go to school?
You explain to them the disadvantages and show real world examples. My son had this phase, as most kids do because some parents don't explain to them the utility of what they are learning.
The "Why?" and it's need for it.
Kids have a reputation of the ever regressive "why" questions but only the parents that don't want to learn WITH their child have that issue. If they want to know something, and they don't know a very common statement in my home was "Ok let's learn about this together.." You explain that in life we have to do things that maybe we would prefer not to do but if you want to reach a goal we have to find the drive for it. NONE OF OF WHAT I SAID is a knock out solution it's always going to take sitting down with the kid and having a conversation; something A LOT of parents don't have the patience for and when the alternative is so easy to do. "Do what I say or consequences." usually involving "spanking" or some bullshit.
30:18 - OMG this cunt. No you have a discussion about Courage and how sometimes one has to confront something despite being scared. This person have NEVER interacted with a child in a meaningful way.
Exactly. All of us with good parents were given the talk that, "sometimes in life we have to do things that we don't want to do." I feel like Demonmama was never given that talk. My parents were pretty strict in many ways, even made me practice the piano every day & I'd cry. But in hindsight, being made to do that was one of the best gifts they ever gave me! The truth is that kids don't know what's good for them, so parents have to help them along
@@scarlet8078 I don't think it was so much we DIDN'T wanted to do but rather we didn't understand why we needed to do what we needed to do. I'd tell my son "You think I wanna wipe my butt after I poo? It's gross!! But if I don't then I'll smell,...." and continue listing ACTUAL reasons not what a lot parents default to as "Because I said so."
Also kids are just down ass people, wanting to be a part of something. As a parent it's our job is to teach them things like how to walk, so they can maneuver through space. Eat so they don't starve. Wash their hands to prevent diseases. Like destiny mentioned she's that woman who sees their child crying and is at a loss. I normally don't like to toss out the line "You don't have kids so you don't understand" since it's often used as an excuse but this is genuinely one of those moments. By her logic, her literally baby would never be forced to walk if they didn't want. No perspective at all.
Demon mama literally made 2 huge arguments for the first thirty minutes. The first is that kids hate school to the point that it's detrimental to their well being. The next 15 minutes is that kids all love school and that there is no need to force kids to go to school since all kids want to go. Which no only is the antithesis of the first argument. But also removes all potential harms for forcing kids to go to school (since everyone chooses it anyway)
Why does DM sound like a dubbed anime character?
Destiny wearing a self referential t-shirt was very subtle.
Lmao
Mandate or no, a child shouldn’t make the decision on whether or not school is mandatory.
You can't enforce it without enacting violence on the child. So either we give up the notion of mandatory schools or we beat children.
I haven't heard a counter argument to this.
@@Bolizen you haven't heard a counterargument because that's a non-argument
@@Bolizen Where's my belt?
@@Bolizen come back when your a parent and it's your legal obligation to educate the next generation
@@Bolizen You know you can like... take away their Xbox
if you haven't managed to socialize your child well enough that they can actually face school - that's on you, and you've already failed. That's nothing to do with the school itself, and home schooling isn't going to solve that major malfunction.
And often times school is the best place to begin socialization.
@@xDDufiosy Bullying is a thing of course, but y'know what. Sometimes it's better to go through that rather than be protected all your life and end up entering college with 0 life experience
@@r1ght_n0w yeah, facing that kind of adversity is part of socialization, not everyone you meet will be kind to you. Sometimes you meet someone like demonmama who will gaslight you into oblivion.
@@r1ght_n0w Suicide is the second leading cause of death for teenagers aged 15-19.
The idea that harassment is always going to be overcome or that it must be endured in order for a person to understand that they won't be universally liked is a thought that can only come out of the mind of someone who hasn't got even a remedial understanding of psychology.
@@george-xcx "Just toughen up, lighten up, it's not like millions of people are dying, so this bad thing actually isn't that bad." Unacceptable.
Lol I'm trying to imagine what life would be like for my kid if he got to make all his own decisions. Every day would be "run on the road" day
"A mark on our friendship" that's fucking rich.
I completely agree with Destiny's point around the 18:00 mark. I didn't give a shit about certain topics in school because of my interest levels. But later in life, I found myself extremely interested in those same topics and search for the information in my free time. So I completely agree with that proposal, if it were somehow manageable.
Low key destiny would make a good hobbit cosplay.
August, the content inserted at 36:25 is very eye-opening! 👍🏽💞 It's so true that social media feeds cause users to self-diagnose, because of how algorithms conflate identity & diagnoses. It's sad how many kids suddenly get convinced that they have conditions like DID (it's exceedingly rare, if it even exists at all in the form that's shown online)
Going into this weekend like, “whoa! Whoa! Whoa!”
22:18 lmao :D
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Imagine thinking these people are gonna win any higher office at all with insane positions like these LMAO
Dear destiny's editor,
Please take a sound bite of everyone in his debate space begging for someone to stop cutting them off and let them finish.
If destiny had the ability to hit a soundboard that has his opponent saying the same thing they're doing in real time in their voice it would probably embarrass them into giving up the bottleneck they're putting in the conversation.
Thats a good idea
Demon's voice is deeper than the voice of James Earl Jones.
The thing about Saturdays and your weekend being ruined... I still feel that way as an adult :/
As a Wisconsinite there were times where it was 30 below sometimes and we'd still have to go to school. Also I think its funny she expects him to stake out every minor point but has so many assumptions built into hers. I had no father in the home and my mom did not care about my education at all. Didn't help me with any of the fees or time issues, didn check my notebooks or cared if I had homework, never went to pta meetings or when my teacher asked about my truancy/ homework issues. Not every parent is attentive to their child. My school also didn't really care about helping me with these problems either. They had this ass backwards way of not letting me into classes cuz I couldn't afford the fees and then would hit me with truancy fines when I didn't show up. Better schools and options are really the only answer here. School was hell and I took every chance not to go, it wasn't that I hated learning it was that the people who were in charge of facilitating that whether my parents or faculty couldn't have cared less about factors external to them. Idealization like this basing solutions off of your own behavior only alienates people who do not think that way or even those who dont have those people in their life to begin with and expecting a child to be mature enough to know the ramifications of their decisions in the long run is laughable. we already mandate what children can and cannot do in many other ways so I don't understand why this is the hill she wants to die on. What an incredibly privileged position to have
This has actually been really interesting to watch (destiny's takes) as someone who is a teacher and someone who was diagnosed with ADHD as an adult.
In regards to the neurodivergent thing this was 100% my experience. when I was trialing different medications I would be anxious about giving the "right" answers in case they took away the medication that I had obsessively pinpointed as my salvation. I had bounced through life up to that point just thinking I was a regular f**k up and then suddenly someone says actually you may have a condition and we can treat that then suddenly I was terrified that they would say oh no you are just bad at life.
In regards to the coercion at school, man I teach highschool (what we call college here) and 100% you would lose 3/4 of your boys and half of the the girls if there wasn't some coercion. I work in the lowest decile school (neighborhood has low wages and the least education among parents) and having kids turn is primarily because of coercion and even then it is a struggle. And it's sad because you can see how the system self perpetuates.
I agree that kids love learning, but I do not think kids love school. Demon mama seems to conflate these completely different things
21:30 I went to boarding school. I actually have very fond memories. But we had to go sunday night to chapel, and remember always feeling dogshit all of sunday leading up to it.
I love that Destiny has nightmares about chat trolling him to get his runescape character killed lmao
I would have called bullshit on Demonmama talking about how much children love school but you have to remember she was raised in a deeply religious environment, I think she even called it a cult, so when the choice is to go to school vs stay at home in who knows what kind of horrible setting then that's such an easy choice. I'm sure she is confused all around but yeah I doubt she had a childhood that included things like tv or video games likely so going to school would have been something to look forward to for her.
1:45 _"August, cut here!"_
5:42 _"August, cut!"_
22:24 _"August!"_
Destiny: "it sucks kids are forced to learn so much at an age they do not care" 100% agree. I struggled massively in my school years, especially with an unhappy home life and mental health issues - I did not care about anything I learned (or retained it) I dropped out. speed up to my mid twenties and I've had the chance to go back school - I've learned so much and can fully focus on it in a way younger me would have been incapable of doing. I'm in European country where this wasn't costly - so I know the option isn't as easy in usa - it should be though. Adults should be able to go back and learn new things when they need or want to
Right in my feeeeeed
Watching Destiny made me rethink a lot of stuff about leftists, at first i thought that being a "leftist" just meant supporting welfare, workers rights, environmentalism, pro LGBT, anti racism but these people are fucking insane, they will argue for free college on one side and for children not needing an education on the other
Yeah it’s like that both ways, I thought a similar way for conservatives until I saw the mfs he debates 😂
Destinys talk at the beginning about not arguing a point that wouldn't change your mind anyway is exactly what happens in a lot of abortion debates. "Why is abortion necessary? Because some people are raped. So if we allowed abortion in all cases of rape would you be against the rest of abortions? NO!! Then why did you even bring it up?"
This is a bad take because the debate is never exclusively about abortion in the case of rape. Rape is brought up as one of many examples of why abortion should be legal. Besides, it's a moot point when the overwhelming majority of pro-life activists and legislators *don't* believe that abortion should be legal even in the case of rape. If you really believe that abortion should be legal if and only if a woman was raped, go ahead and make that your thing.
@@Stirrups A lot don't, but there's definitely a non negligible number of people who think abortion should be legal only in certain cases, which usually includes rape.
@@Stirrups I never said the debate is only over rape. I am saying that people do make that argument. They will argue rape as their big reason why abortion should be allowed but that's pointless because conceding to cases of rape does not change their mind on the rest of abortions. Also plenty of conservatives would love to reduce abortions by conceding to cases of rape. The fact that they would like all abortions to go away is irrelevant. Imo one side is usually willing to compromise and the other is not.
something tells me that demon mama doesnt have kids