2012 Ford Mustang Boss 302 Laguna Seca Hot Lap! - 2011 Best Driver's Car Contender
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- Every car in the 2011 Motor Trend Best Drivers Car competition was lapped around Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca by hot shoe Randy Pobst. Our next competitor, the Ford Mustang Boss 302 Laguna Seca.
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Shot by: Jim Gleason, Gordon Green, Duane Sempson, Corey Denomy
Edited by: Jim Gleason
The boss 302 is an amazing car, ford did there home work on this beast. It'll be neat to see what else ford can come up with over the next few years.
Gt350 is reborned
Love this Mustang! Yeah Chevy and Mopar Guys always have comments about the Pony. But the truth is that it's a fun car to own and drive. Awesome work Ford!
Lol they can whine pony all they want it's clearly a big badass muscle car
my wife bought me one of these for my 40th birthday.. it's amazing!! I'd take it over the 2013 GT500 any day!!
More people that know anything about cars would. GT500 are consider low hanging fruit in my book. Triple
I know it's been 11 years since you wrote this but why? I plan on getting a boss 302 2012 in the future haha
I just bought one today 2013 only 16k miles for 40k even
I was in a Boss 302 on the dyno. In person it is the best sound I have ever heard!!! Videos do no justice for the sound and speed of this car.
I love how they test the Laguna Seca edition boss 302 at Laguna Seca. I'm curious how the results would be at a different track.
Beautiful! I love the europeans and the japanese. But when it comes to muscle, this is the first honest attempt and I am speechless. Beautiful car, true muscle power and simplicity. Go FORD!!!
If this is a first honest attempt ur clearly baised they made so many more good ones
@@blackeye3336 only a muscle car fan will turn an 11 year old positive comment into a pissing contest. I think your comment says more about you than anything else.
I've always liked the Hemi and LS series engines more than the Ford small blocks, but the sound that Mustangs put out is amazing!
the best part about this is that the boss 302 is an utterly massive engine when compared to the European and Japanese competitors. imagine bringing back a big block.
Why was the lap time a seconds slower than the regular boss
Cranky Jash Come on man you now they will not let a Mustang run a faster lap than there beloved German cars.
The laguna seca is actually heavier than the regular boss... laguna seca is 3641 and the boss 302 is 3483. The rear seat delete is deceiving because what they don't advertise is the fact that the rear stabilizer added more weight for increased rigidity.
Sources please. The regular Boss 302 is definitely not 100 lbs lighter then the LS. I also wonder where you got the info about the X-brace from. The rear seat delete is 22lbs lighter then the stock rear seats. The brace it self weighs 7lbs and is pretty much just cosmetically and mostly keeps the content of the trunk from flying across the car under emergency braking in traffic.
I don't know how he managed to only do a 1:41, an official lap time was set at 1:39.50
i'll admit its amazing, and i go back and forth on which one i like more. but i think i'd take the new gt500. ive been lucky enough to drive the 2013 gt500 and its amazing!! i really want to drive a boss tho just to see what it feels like. i love mustangs!!
I tracked down a Kona Blue Boss 302 (not the Laguna Seca model) with Recaros. The price is $41k. I have been looking around the net for reviews and found a lot of bad press concerning the Getrag 6 speed transmission. The Chinese made trans is giving many owners nightmares, NHTSA opened an investigation. I love the car, but I'm going to wait a while.
why couldn't they get this guy as a Top Gear America presenter? He'd definitely be an improvement over having Rutledge or Adam
Best wife ever!
@AccordGTR Yes you can adjust the static camber. You heat & bend the tubes at the pumpkin. Why adjust the toe in the 1st place? You adjust the toe on an IRS to compensate for erratic toe changes thru out its range of motion. Kinda unnecessary w/ LRAs as tires get optimal contact patch at all times. The harder you push an IRS, the more you're riding on the tires edges. Quick elevation changes within a turn upsets IRS even more.The wider & lower profile a tire is, the smaller the IRS contact patch
Damn looks like the RUclips experts are striking again lmao
top gear uk should roadtest a mustang from the 2012 line i bet that they would like it much much better than the 2007 line
Even by not being so confortable on the roads, we all should celebrate the fact that a brand new personified US muscle car has finally put some real performance effort on real tracks, and with cheaper materials than the exotics. And all this with full world potencial.
Its almost a miracle coming from US automakers, since its not a exotic car or a Baja truck.
I drove them both. The GT500 is nice, LOTS of power, but the BOSS 302 just has a more road-friendly feel. It drives so smooth and works as an everyday driver. While the GT500 is noticeably sport tuned (rougher ride, interior is downgraded from the BOSS 302). As for gas milage, the BOSS 302 is MUCH more doable!!
@acs4llc the tire tuning technique I use (there are many techniques depending on who you talk to), is I try to equalize the tire temp across the tire (inner, center and outer tread temp) among all 4 tires. I correlate this to my driving style and datal-ogger to see if I can drop my lap times overall or achieve the fastest speed through key corners. I experiment with spring rates, compression and rebound settings in my shocks and tire pressure. Note: this only works if u r a consistent driver!
@AccordGTR Glad to. Static or spirited driving is fine for IRS but brake too hard & you're riding on the tire's edges. Accelerating WOT also puts it on the tire's edges. Then combine either w/ hard cornering & you've got a huge disadvantage over LRAs which keep the tires parallel to the pavement @ all Xs. Did I mention quick elevation changes within a turn while under hard braking/turning? Extra wide low profile tires narrow the contact patch even further in competitive race conditions.
we need more Hot Lap episodes with Randy! cmon where you at
@V8Supercar1 Do you have any idead what Shelby does to a regular GT500 to make it a supersnake? They don't dump all 50 grand into the engine, they do extensive chassis and suspension tuning as well as well as improve downforce. Yet it still posts similar times to a stock Grandsport Corvette.
Regardless downforce is for help in corners and top speed there is not enough air pressure from 0-60 to make any difference in tire grip.
its' good, its' good amazingly good!
@1vdn992 Good track and road car, hard to say because many rarely offers the best of both. If I have to pick from the contenders, I'll choose the LFA. I've not driven the car or so, but after going through many reviews from here and there, many seem to say that the LFA has good balance and handling prowess. And the suspension can properly deal with the curves and bumps. And most importantly, the engine is extremely accessible.
@highflyer4 Curb weight doesn't include driver. If racing, you also need a racing harness and roll cage which is at least another 70-100 lbs. I didn't see that in the car. Lap times can vary driver to driver, and track conditions. If the track is dusty, lap times are slower. If the track has been swept by a lot of cars, the lap times will be quicker. I could tune a car just using tire pressure and drop my lap time up to 1-2 seconds depending. Other suspension tuning can drop another 1-2 seconds.
no WORDS to say !! Simply awesome
Road and track did the lap in 1:39 mins
SpyderRios yeah, I was surprised 1:41. In fact they lapped the regular Boss 302 at 1:40.2 which is faster than this supposed to be the better laguna seca
@xabipp The Laguna seca is a collectors car, not many of them were made therefore, it is more expensive.
Yes and I have # 171 of 750
@acs4llc "heat and bend" is ghetto and can lead to metal fatigue. Adjusting rear toe affects on-the-limit braking characteristics, as well as corner entry, mid-corner and corner exit grip and handling balance, depending on set-up, track conditions and driving technique. LRA doesn't have adjust ability so u end up compromising. What may work in Laguna Seca may not work so well with other tracks or courses. With IRS you can tune easier but with LRA, you are limited. Also LRA tricky when wet
Very impressive .. not been a fan of American cars for track in a very long time.
His comments, or lack there of, pretty much speak for themselves... Simply an amazing mustang
If you look at the rims while the car is moving forward, why does it sometimes for a second the rim looks like as if the car is going back, what do you call this effect? Always wondered...
@Greendude33 I didn't say the Boss 302 LS seats 3 passengers but has a 3 passenger body as opposed to a 1 passenger sports car.
Read the article you yourself brought up. It points to how similarly the Boss and Corvette GS corner thru the sectors despite the Boss having less power to weight. Nevermind (static) balance or center of gravity. What does that tell you? What does that tell you about the other tracks where the GS has lost to the Boss? Is it starting to make sense yet? Corvettes perform
@Storm7289 You do realize that if the Corvette and Boss run a 20 lap race around LS the Corvette will be lapping the Boss before the race is over based on the lap times. The Boss times will also fall off quickly due to the skinny tires building excessive air pressure and brake fade.
@Greendude33: Yes they have. Like I said their results is in their March edition of their magazine. I'll tell you what. I actually found the whole article with their results and everything online. since I cant post links here I'll leave it on your channel.
@eddy2891 yeah, and itll be competing with the shelby 500. the competition for the boss 302 will come from the z28, if it ever exists. if they dont make it, the 302 will have its own class. the zl1 also wont be using the same suspension setup as the zr1. it will be using a very similar traction control system, which is probably what you saw
@acs4llc You cannot tune ur car for the whole track but u choose certain sections which will make up the most time. Eg, the most important corners generally are the ones before a long straight. The sooner u can get the power down out of these corners, the higher top speed you can achieve in the straight. Generally u cut more lap time in this fast section than trying to tune for low-speed sections. Each track is different and the only way you will find out is to test different set-up and lines
The Ford engineering team really hit a home run with this new Coyote engine. And to pull extra ponies out of it to make it a 444hp 7500 RPM redline monster is amazing. And anyone who "doesn't like it because of the lack of ind. rear suspension" should go test drive one...if they'll let you.
@luimarco
Laguna Seca Edition is tested to 416 rwhp and almost 480 bhp. Numbers are higher than actually Ford claimed. Few owners of Boss 302 claimed under 400 rwhp.
@blackdot1128 When you buy this particular mustang, you get a pair of keys, a blue key and a red key..
The blue key would activate limiters that would make the car manageable for street use.
The red key on the other hand disables the limiter and makes the car track ready.
I may not have explained it as well as ford guys does but you probably get the point..
Blue key for boredom red key for fun..
@luimarco Did you consider money? The Cayman R starts at 66,300, while the boss starts at 48,100. The Porsche is also much lighter. They are both awesome cars, but I prefer the boss, since I'm a fan of its legacy as a muscle car, and its heavenly sound.
@fourmilesnipe Chevrolet claims its 9th consecutive manufacturers title in the Sprint Cup series with 5 races remaining in the season with 14 victories so far.
@acs4llc there are so many variables to win. a lot of it depends on what ur competition knows...maybe u r just a better driver who knows his car and course better than the other guy, no matter what car he is driving. secondly, tuning takes time and if u do it right, lap times will keep dropping. it takes hours of testing, if not days, to reach ur best lap times. the secret is knowing how ur tires work and matching ur driving style with ur set-up so that u can achieve the fastest cornering speeds
@Greendude33 The Corvette's specs guarantee it's a better choice for spirited driving but anything can happen when pushed to the limit especially by non pros. 50/50 weight distribution is great when you coast into a turn then gently squeeze the throttle but less of an advantage when you're standing on the brakes going in and WOT exiting. This is also when IRS on super wide low-profiles is less of an advantage.
@Greendude33 You also forget that weight also translates into better braking a Corvette brakes later heading into a turn than a heavier pony car and b/c of the perfect weight distribution its more planted and stable through a high G corner. With a boss the lighter rear end is more susceptible to oversteer and the heavy front end causes more understeer. With a 50/50 balance you minimize the effects of both. The Corvette had the advatange on every square inch of the track.
When it rolled off the factory line in 1971 it had a stock Chrysler 318. When I bought the car in 1978, I replaced the 318 with a 1974 90º V-style block LA 360 (5.9ci) crate engine, which also run 340 heads. Since 1974 style 360's in came with 4-barrel carburetors, I upgraded the carburetor to a nicer, smoother flowing Edelbrock Performer Series 4-barrel carburetor. I have completely reworked the car inside and out, above and under. But that's just some on the engine.
@MrUpgraydde They use sensors all over the car to measure specific parameters for this test. This is "Best Driver's Car" so everything they test is taken into account. On a side note, man that Ford V8 sounds good. A little different than that LS7 in the Vette but still beautiful.
@akosiCoco It isn't available yet. Has not been approved by CARB unfortunately.
@MikeNoran right on the dot take and terminator cobra a few bolts ons and an under 12 sec car.
looks better too
@hahaha13822: This car is not meant to compete with 300 thousand dollar supercars. Its a 40k muscle car. Its meant to compete with the Camaros and the BMW M3. In which it has already beaten both.
@acs4llc 0-60 or power means very little if ur competition is not professional. Re: science of tires...each tire has certain characteristics...coefficient of friction (grip) vs. slip angle...grip vs. contact patch...grip vs. temp...chassis and suspension tuning, as well as driving technique will affect these graphs. Then u have to apply this knowledge to ur driving...racing line, braking, turn-in, how u apply the gas, etc. Every track is unique cuz u have to choose the section which is most impt
Hopefully the winner of this competition is something with a 6-speed manual and rear wheel drive. IMO that's what a drivers car is
i love laguna seca, and the boss is one of the best bang for the buck and coolest cars i have ever seen. I'm a vette fan but i would take a boss over any vette but a z06 and zr1.
Look, there are many factors that must be taken into consideration when looking at track times. For example that LRA in the back of the stang will actually help it out, sometimes it's just a matter of which driver it is, and sometimes conditions can come into play. You're right it is always gonna be mustang vs. camaro but as we all should know mustangs tend to beat out cars that cost up to twice it's own price (zl1 camaro does a good job too) and when that happens, it's just a publicity bonus.
@Greendude33 if you don't understand the 'concept', you're simply being difficult (or dense) and we can just let it go at that. Either way it's not a problem. No I'm 33 but was refering to your history lesson.
This Mustang is so beautifully gorgeous 😍😍
@AccordGTR o i see thanks, i dont do any racing so i wasnt sure what you were talking about with that.
@Greendude33: One thing I can tell you. Its really interesting comparing the ZL1 ring lap with the CTSV. ZL1 = 580HP/4100lbs of weight, CTSV 556HP4200lbs . And the ZL1 is a whopping 18 secs faster. Just looking at that comparison right there really does show that Ford have a tough fight on their hands. They may just have to suck it up and bring back the cobra mustangs, since they actually had IRS. But we will see. Things will be interesting when MT get their hands on the cars.
Man that's beautiful!!
@foxstalker317 the 302 is a 4 seater the laguna seca package removes the back seats though. The base boss has 4 seats go test drive one.
@luimarco yes, they dynoed the LS on a mustang dyno that reads notoriously high....we'll find out what mine puts down when i get back from afghanistan.
@reefblue331 With all the great build quality, fit and finish and longevity of German cars too........
Rolling start. The lap time they publish is usually the best of many.
@OgleTorp You want to compare the engines of the 5.0 vs the 7.0?! What makes the 427 so potent is its torque over the 5.0 . Not sure if you have ever ridden sportbikes but the best comparison I can make is the Boss feels like 600 and the Zo6 feels like a 1000 sportbike.
@acs4llc Whats your point? The Corvette Grand Sport is a badass car and is the total package. Unlike the Boss its even got a full frame and respectable top speed performance.
@1vdn992 the 302 isn't a four seater, they removed the back seat to save weight.
@GavinSpenceR18 well, it would lose, because theyre not competitors. the response to the boss 302 will be the z28 (if they ever make it)
@luimarco 440 is crank hp, not RWHP. And it is actually 444 crank hp. I own a Boss 302, #0248. Mine did 390 rwhp, not sure where you are getting your information.
@Storm7289 Hate to break it to you but I am using Mastercam software as we speak programming a throttle body plate to be run on a Haas VF2. Tell me one thing I said that is incorrect of the Boss.
@Storm7289 Whats wrong with comparing? The Zo6 and boss were compared to some ultra high dollar cars. Whats wrong with that?
@Greendude33: If IRS is such a big deal and such a deciding factor. Then why is it that the mustang GT is quicker than the SS around the willow springs and the VIR?? Why because it has a slightly better power to weight ratio. Now the new GT500 is gonna have a significant power to weight ratio advantage over the ZL1.
@hahaha13822: Thats why there is the new Ford mustang GT500 coming out in May with 650HP and a real world tested top speed of 202 mph. The first front and back seat american muscle car, to come straight from the factory with that kinda top speed. On top of that, its gonna have the boss 302's suspension, launch control, adjustable suspension settings, and adjustable dampers. :)
@1vdn992 But why didn't they just use the aluminium driveshaft then? Or maybe even a carbon driveshaft to reduce drivetrain momentum and stabilizes engine rotation at lower speeds therefore increasing drivetrain response. I really do like muscle cars but their inferiority around the track and on the road makes me hard to even consider them at all.
@Greendude33 Sure 50/50 static/stationary weight dist is great for spirted driving but when standing on the brakes and trying to turn, do you think it stays 50/50? You give plenty of reasons why the GS should be faster than the Boss and I agree it should, at all tracks but clearly it's not and clearly relys on WOT opportunities and not so many hairpins because of its better power to weight. Nevermind huge tire/brake, balance and center of gravity, a Boss with equal power to weight will
So cool seeing this for real. Ive raced this in all the Gran Turismo games, so I know every turn.
@Greendude33: Thats no surprise considering it has 136HP more than the boss. Secondly, the new GT500 is not a HP bump. According to Car and Driver, the car has increased downforce, better aerodynamics, adjustable dampers, adjustable trac control settings, launch control, and stickier tries vs. the previous GT 500. If the Camaro fanboys think that the new GT500 is just a HP bump. Then they will be sadly mistaken come this May, when the GT500 reaches dealerships.
@V8Supercar1 There also is not a single video of any automotive review magazine reviewing any 2013 model year Mustang. So far the first battlefield was at VIR and SVT's team could not get the 2013 GT500 close to GM's ZL1 lap time. I also am interested to see if Ford ever releases a Nurburgring lap time which I doubt as the Ring is a very hostile environment for a live axle.
The GT500 like all GT500's will have problems hooking up in 1st and 2nd gear so it will be close on the 1/4
@Greendude33: My question is. Where are you getting this info from about the 2013 GT500 already lapping the VIR?. Because I'm looking all over the internet now and I can't find anything. Secondly, comparing the CTSV to the old GT500 is irrelevant when consider the suspension, aerodynamics and downforce upgrades the new GT500 has. The new GT500 is also using stickier tires over the old one.
@OgleTorp then you really need some help understanding. do you compare honda civic si to a lamborghini reventon? no same thing but on a little lower scale.
@MrUpgraydde I think It's a driver thing, he is more relaxed with his steering cover.
@CJAEY red and black isn't really specific to any brand it's all been done before
@camryt The boss 302 is performance based, Alot less comfort and convience features compared to a ls edition
@Storm7289 I got my 08 used for 54k. Its got a 427 with dry sump oiling, a full aluminum frame, and carbon fiber front fenders. It also works fine in the summer months as a daily driver. With a 48k Boss you get a strut front end, solid rear axle, and unibody chassis that weighs over 3600 pounds. The Boss also has almost 400 pounds more on the front tires than my ZO6 with 20% less tire rubber. Thats why the Boss has more understeer than oversteer.
@pcload1etter Does the Nurburgring have a cork screw, quick elevation changes within turns, a tight hairpins, decreasing radius' and a double apex or 2? If so I'm impressed and obvously not all mustangs are bought to carve up corners and especially not the Boss 302LS variety(?) but neither are all 3-series BMW or Porsche 911s but at least mustangs can take a drag strip hammering if called on to do so.
I dont necessarily disagree with you. But the only question is. Is that car really considered a production car? Or is it a tuned GT500?
@luimarco actually it puts down about 380, 444hp IS the crank hp, and thats not bad for a 3600lb car.
Just awesome, American cars are kicking euro and japanese cars!! Now we got the 2012 Vettes smoking every production cat except the 911 GT2. If Ford decides to bring the Ford GT I'm sure it will not disappoint.
@acs4llc Now on oversteer, all RWD cars are susceptible to oversteer however in a Corvette with a rear end that weighs the same as the front it is less prevalent than in a Boss with a lighter rear end that will break lose with inccorect throttle management. The Corvette with a 50/50 balance reduces all these effects by equalizing the car's mass throughout the chassis which reduces rolling intertia and transfer of mass through high G corners.
Mustang vs Supercars, I like that motortrend put the Boss on a high pedestal
@camryt upgraded shocks and dampers,no back seat(cross bracing) bigger price tag
@V8Supercar1 Car and driver has not yet driven a 2013 GT500, no auto review magazine has yet either b/c Ford has not released it yet... The changes have already been done to current Boss 302 Mustangs there's nothing radically changed that will improve its performance to 60 and around corners.
I expect the ZL1 vs 13' GT500 1/4 mile to be one of the closest in the Rivalry's history while I expect the ZL1 to have all the advantages in the corners.
@TheHm3
Z06 not good on the straights?
Ford GT 0-60: 3.8sec
Z06/Z07 0-60: 3.7sec
The GT has top speed though. But to be fair, the GT is a bit older (and with technology advancement these days, it's really old). I love them both either way
@gmax876 i would say so? seeing as how this nearly 4,000 lb muscle car with a live rear axle can beat a german mid engine track car, thats impressive for any american car to beat a porsche, especially a mustang
Well of course its going to be good... Laguna Secca is in its name...
@undeadkillers true enough they said it works but they said that the independant suspension of the other cars dealt with bumps a lot better than the live axle, which makes a lot of sense tbh :/ still great overall though :D
sorry if i came across as rude i didnt mean too, but i still dont really understand what you mean about the interior. i mean both the boss and shelby have the same layout except the shelby is fully loaded while the boss is more basic with less options, (not that you need it when you have a track monster like the boss). but hey we both love mustangs and i love both the boss and gt500. we can appreciate how awesome these mustangs are. glad you are enjoying the boss that must be one sweet ride!
@AccordGTR Actually you haven't mentioned how it's possible for mustangs to run w/ supercars despite not having their aerodynamics, center of gravity, balance, HP 2 weight and so forth. I only keep repeating the question cause I'm curious and value your expert opinion.
@Greendude33: Yes I do.But they have never been able to get the mustang to put the power to the ground. But according to C&D i will write you a quote. "The suspension does a remarkable job of keeping the tires planted coming off elevation changes, and there is no perceptible body roll" Thats a quote directly out of C&D magazine.
wow... I'm normally a chevy guy or an import guy, but that mustang is one that I just have to get, it looks and sounds great