Of course this video isn't completely useless to us Falcons and I am thankful for that but it's not like _Fox_ is the one that needed help in this matchup. Anyway, I'm excited for the reverse matchup guide, glad Kira decided to make that one too.
Munzu Just because fox is better doesn't mean you can just run around doing "fox stuff" like everyone says. Just because falcon isnt a great character doesnt mean you should keep mu knowledge away from better characters. The chances of a fox player not knowing the falcon matchup are way higher than the other way around.
For anyone upset that we helped out a higher-tier character: I believe that player skill matters much more than any characters abilities until you get to like S2J/Ice level. Also we will be doing the reverse of all these matchups, but remember you can always use these to learn it from the other side as well! You can see what the other character will go for and it'll be easier to work around it. And I apologize for my previous comment- lack of sleep and hunger johns >.
SSBM Tutorials Crazy negative reactions on this video. Thanks for making Smash content. People aren't as appreciative as they should be for this kind of quality.
TurbinationE absolutely. The rest of us love your work and aren't complaining, and I'm sure the stupid complainers have seen a video that helps them more than this one hurts them
Isnt the first part of the video just wrong or am I not interpreting this correctly? falcon has one of the best aerial speeds in the game, he can do a lot more variable short hops than just full speed and in place holding forward
"Life of Falcon's", as in "Falcon's life". You're thinking of "life of Falcon players". I think either way is really fine and doesn't cause any misinterpretation. Though I hardly think that grammar should be pointed out on a youtube video's comments section. useful vid for me tho.
Eh I disagree. I'm all for having grammatical errors pointed out to me as it's how I tend to improve and stop making those mistakes. It's not the most important thing or anything but it's something I welcome personally.
Fellow Falcon mains: This video does help you. First of all, use your knowledge of Fox's goals to find ways to deny him. Kira outlined our basics and the counters that Fox might go for. Don't let Fox have his way for free. Second, do you really just want to beat players that didn't know this stuff and auto lose to any better players? Now your opponents can actually help you get better. The best Falcons in the matchup practice against the best Foxes.
Why is everyone so angry about this video? It's clearly meant for novice and intermediate level Fox players. How are lesser players supposed to get better if we don't support them with content like this?
Not gonna lie, unpopular opinion here, I love Hax$'s fox. Hax's fox on point is my favorite fox to watch ever. Hax's falcon was also amazing, and probably was my favorite falcon too, but god damn I love watching him play fox. Gotta pick the fox dude.
Hax's falcon was incredible and I'd go to say he defined how falcon should be played. However his fox is much more impressive with how spot on his tech was so I gotta say I like his fox more. Though I'm expecting this to be the unpopular opinion.
Wanted to point out at 0:33 isn't true. Falcon can place any aerial in between those two distances with Analog jumping. It's rough at first, but with practice it isn't much harder than angling with a Firefox.
I loved how unique Hax's playstyle with Falcon was, but I think now I appreciate his Fox just because it pushes the limits even further than any other Fox player
I think Marth vs Falcon would be an interesting video. i see a lot of Marths say that they believe its a winning MU for Falcon. I am a Marth player myself, and I think i have a decent grasp of the MU, but I think there are still some important things that could be explained. Just a thought. Your videos are very helpful, keep up the good work!
Is the "DI down and away during combos" advice still relevant if you're playing Falco? Because It seems like Falco's recovery is too short of that to be good.
I might not agree with this choice of video, but thank you for making Smash content. You're a pillar of the community. Hax$ Fox is cooler than Falcon imo
I disagree. On the surface his fox is the greatest of all time, but when you realize that there's more to melee than pressing buttons you realize that Mango, armada, and leffen's foxes are all much smarter and better to learn from
CP Adagio To be honest, he has a very calculated and aggressive playstyle. He's basically Leffen mixed with Westballz. He very directly uses his ability to manipulate his own character for quick and complex mindgames that not many other foxes do. I respect your opinion, but this is my counter argument. I'm not starting a flamewar by accident like I did in the "how to counter Sheik" video. XD
Haha don't worry, just wanted to explain my thoughts on the "ideal" fox. In my opinion Armada's fox is the most optimized, his neutral and punish game are both so impressive. Although Hax's fox is extremely interesting, the fact that we've seen so little of his play in this current meta full of intelligent players makes it difficult for me to place him in the ideal spot
Hax's Fox is cool and all, but will we ever see those crisp Falcon zero to death's on the same level as his? No, we won't. His Falcon is more remarkable than his Fox by a long-shot because he pushed the character to his limit and maximized his punish game with Captain Falcon. Sometimes you couldn't tell if his next hit would lead to a KO. I think that was something pretty special, honestly. It's a shame we won't see that any more.
On your "How to Shield Drop" video, in the comments you guys said you were working on a tutorial on how to notch your controller in order for it to shield drop. Is this still being worked on?
Who can stack up against the hype HAX$ brought with his Capt. Falcon?! lol also, can you make a video on the Falcon vs Fox match-up? I don't see why you would make a video about how to play a better character to beat an inferior one. And when I say inferior, I mean worse options/priorities.
As a huge Hax fan it's so hard to decide which of his character I love more. Needless to say go watch Progs "WTF Hax" combo video as it's my personal favourite combo video. His Fox inspired me to play and main Fox and work towards the 20XX idealogy. I'm siding with his Fox.
Can you please teach the marth vs. bowser matchup from marth's perspective? I've been having some trouble. Thanks for showing how to edgeguard falcon, it's really hard, also for marth v bowser, I was wondering if marth has any good edgeguarding options? It doesn't seem like he has any.
Most people put the character's name from which they are talking about the matchup first in the phrase. If you call it the Fox vs shiek matchup, your talking about fox's matchup, and vice versa.
Is this a "tutorial" how fox should approach or falcon because you specificaly explained fox combos and not falcons.. maybe you make an extra guide for that ?
Hax's style is what I like, wether it's falcon or fox, It's always super intresting to watch. But his falcon was so good, he was like the mew2king of Falcon punish game.
Good video can't wait to see the otherside as a Falcon main myself. Can we see a are you a luigi player and some other luigi stuff too? I'm on an Abate binge lately.
Hax's Fox. It's really close, considering his Falcon (IMO) is the balance between the optimization of Wizzy/Gahtzu and the excitement of S2J/n0ne. But his Fox is so aggro and different from every other Fox.
Both Hax's fox and falcon are legendary imo, but as a Fox player myself, I'd have to say his Fox just because of his godly tech skill. Also, really good video, there's a certain falcon player at my locals that gives me a hard time. Definitely gonna study this and get better in the MU.
unfortunately he isn't back, he needs to get a tendon removed but no doctors with in his insurance are willing to do the operation, according to hax his day to day life is painful in general now because of his hand
That sucks. I have carpal tunnel too. I stopped playing entirely. I play very seldom so cant keep up with the new gameplay. But it is always interesting to watch the new kids, they are pretty dog on good. As for me. Well I've turned mt attention to other things. Tell hax to drink anti oxidants. High alkaline water that has anti oxidants which is made when filtered thru a special filter will help if not treat it entirely. I'm in the process of buying a water filter.. they go for several grand.. 2k$ and up for good ones. But they are worth it. My carpal tunnel symptoms have gone wayyyy down and I can play longer. But the symptoms do come back. I don't have a filter though so I have to go to a friend who lets me take 9 gallons at a time. I have 2 left. Started about 2 maybe 3 weeks ago. Can't wait to have my own and be carpal tunnel free.
Kira's right guys. If you're pissed that he doesn't give any advice as falcon, here's all the essentials LRAstart fox That's all you need to know as falcon for this particular matchup
I preferred Hax's Fox. I enjoy watching it a lot. Although don't get me wrong, his Falcon was godlike as well. It's really close, but I just really like his Fox
Hax's Falcon is cooler than his fox, but hax's fox is super technical and it's inhuman. But i dont think hax's fox has a combo like the Hax vs Vex Kasrani combo.
Can you guys do a "how to beat a Samus." I have a guy at my school who plays a spammy Samus and its hard to counter. If you could that world be awesome
Hax$ has always been an incredibly technical player, but the tech skill is just more enjoyable with his Falcon. Yeah, his fox is and always will be impressive, but it doesn't have the same soul as his falcon
I never heard of him but his name was rat kid apparently my friends said he was really good and i guess he had a different tag idk but he 2-0d everyone until he played slox... slox is crazy though
Hax's Falcon was pretty hype at times, but was mediocre overall. His Fox, on the other hand, is something to strive for. Unrivalled Techskill excellence. get well soon Hax :c
his fox it fits him better if somebody ends a toxic relationship and then meets the love of their life and starts having a wonderful life with them you don't yell at them or tell them to get back together with the toxic relationship. falcon and hax were a toxic relationship. Fox and Hax are true love.
Hax's Falcon pushed the character in ways nobody expected, to the point where Hax was the 6th best player in 2013. Hax's Fox was mostly following in the footsteps of other Foxes, albiet refined to be as perfect as possible. Still, his Falcon was sicker. His crew battle against Leffen is unforgettable.
YES THANK YOU, because all we need is more Foxes out there who know how to shit on Falcon even more. Also: Hax Falcon, because he literally invented new things with him, whereas his Fox is more of a ridicoulus techskill spammer
Here I thought I'd get some help as a Falcon in the Fox matchup but now I'm screwed
Munzu same
If you look closely, there is a lot of help for Falcon in this video!
well i mean now you'll know the though process of the fox player and can work around that
Of course this video isn't completely useless to us Falcons and I am thankful for that but it's not like _Fox_ is the one that needed help in this matchup.
Anyway, I'm excited for the reverse matchup guide, glad Kira decided to make that one too.
Munzu Just because fox is better doesn't mean you can just run around doing "fox stuff" like everyone says. Just because falcon isnt a great character doesnt mean you should keep mu knowledge away from better characters. The chances of a fox player not knowing the falcon matchup are way higher than the other way around.
Explain the MU from the other end
Don't get hit.
Well memed ^
PAUSE, L+R+A+START, Select Fox. Kappa
He can't. Kira's a fraud
For anyone upset that we helped out a higher-tier character: I believe that player skill matters much more than any characters abilities until you get to like S2J/Ice level.
Also we will be doing the reverse of all these matchups, but remember you can always use these to learn it from the other side as well! You can see what the other character will go for and it'll be easier to work around it.
And I apologize for my previous comment- lack of sleep and hunger johns >.
SSBM Tutorials Crazy negative reactions on this video. Thanks for making Smash content. People aren't as appreciative as they should be for this kind of quality.
TurbinationE absolutely. The rest of us love your work and aren't complaining, and I'm sure the stupid complainers have seen a video that helps them more than this one hurts them
Isnt the first part of the video just wrong or am I not interpreting this correctly? falcon has one of the best aerial speeds in the game, he can do a lot more variable short hops than just full speed and in place holding forward
Marisa Nya Falcon's nair is only really good as a retreating or in place option
***** Jab has too much lag for that
Why would you make the life of Falcon's even harder ffs.
Don't pluralize with an apostrophe.
"Life of Falcon's", as in "Falcon's life".
You're thinking of "life of Falcon players".
I think either way is really fine and doesn't cause any misinterpretation.
Though I hardly think that grammar should be pointed out on a youtube video's comments section. useful vid for me tho.
Eh I disagree. I'm all for having grammatical errors pointed out to me as it's how I tend to improve and stop making those mistakes. It's not the most important thing or anything but it's something I welcome personally.
This has become the new comma splice. I simply do not understand how think it's correct.
Holy shit, who cares?
Fellow Falcon mains:
This video does help you. First of all, use your knowledge of Fox's goals to find ways to deny him. Kira outlined our basics and the counters that Fox might go for. Don't let Fox have his way for free.
Second, do you really just want to beat players that didn't know this stuff and auto lose to any better players? Now your opponents can actually help you get better. The best Falcons in the matchup practice against the best Foxes.
Hax's Falcon.
Also, why not explain the matcthup both ways?
Falcon v fox MU guide:
fox - press down b
falcon - L + R + A + Start fox
Came here for some valuable Falcon info...the fuck man
same
I don't think we fully appreciate the subtle jokes Kira makes with the tags in each video.
tips for c falcon players:
START+ L+R+A
pick fox
I'll take some extra salt for my comment section meal.
Why is everyone so angry about this video? It's clearly meant for novice and intermediate level Fox players. How are lesser players supposed to get better if we don't support them with content like this?
I was missing the you already know, glad to hear it again!
god these videos have such damn good quality i love the in tournament examples
why is this from fox's perspective, he has a shine
I'm gonna say his fox because it pushes the boundaries of 20xx.
well as a falcon main at least now I know what fox's are going for
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@Marisa Nya thanks for the hope
Not gonna lie, unpopular opinion here, I love Hax$'s fox. Hax's fox on point is my favorite fox to watch ever. Hax's falcon was also amazing, and probably was my favorite falcon too, but god damn I love watching him play fox. Gotta pick the fox dude.
I started watching this thinking i could get some help against my buddy (fox main) but clearly i came to the wrong place lmao.
Hax's falcon was incredible and I'd go to say he defined how falcon should be played. However his fox is much more impressive with how spot on his tech was so I gotta say I like his fox more. Though I'm expecting this to be the unpopular opinion.
Awesome vid as usual. People in the comments don't know that looking at the MU from Fox's perspective is crucial in becoming a better Falcon.
Wanted to point out at 0:33 isn't true. Falcon can place any aerial in between those two distances with Analog jumping. It's rough at first, but with practice it isn't much harder than angling with a Firefox.
"Falcon's OOS options are actually pretty limited."
Understatement of the year
As a fox main, we take those.
I loved how unique Hax's playstyle with Falcon was, but I think now I appreciate his Fox just because it pushes the limits even further than any other Fox player
I think Marth vs Falcon would be an interesting video. i see a lot of Marths say that they believe its a winning MU for Falcon. I am a Marth player myself, and I think i have a decent grasp of the MU, but I think there are still some important things that could be explained. Just a thought. Your videos are very helpful, keep up the good work!
thanks kira I really really really needed this. I struggle against falcon and Marths the most >_
Falcon for sure. It had much more heart in his gameplay. RIP pink falcon.
Is the "DI down and away during combos" advice still relevant if you're playing Falco? Because It seems like Falco's recovery is too short of that to be good.
I might not agree with this choice of video, but thank you for making Smash content. You're a pillar of the community.
Hax$ Fox is cooler than Falcon imo
Hax$ Fox is amazing and pushes the limits at many points.
But Hax$ Falcon will always be the best, its so godly.
Hax's fox is much cooler. He is the prime of what all fix players should play like
iNSOMNIACssbm the only condition is that you will lose your hands if you play like hax. you'll have HIGHLIGHTS for dayssssss doe
I disagree. On the surface his fox is the greatest of all time, but when you realize that there's more to melee than pressing buttons you realize that Mango, armada, and leffen's foxes are all much smarter and better to learn from
CP Adagio To be honest, he has a very calculated and aggressive playstyle. He's basically Leffen mixed with Westballz. He very directly uses his ability to manipulate his own character for quick and complex mindgames that not many other foxes do. I respect your opinion, but this is my counter argument. I'm not starting a flamewar by accident like I did in the "how to counter Sheik" video. XD
Haha don't worry, just wanted to explain my thoughts on the "ideal" fox. In my opinion Armada's fox is the most optimized, his neutral and punish game are both so impressive. Although Hax's fox is extremely interesting, the fact that we've seen so little of his play in this current meta full of intelligent players makes it difficult for me to place him in the ideal spot
CP Adagio I respect that 100% Thanks for keeping this as a respectable debate. Good point though. Imo Hax still has the best fox lol
The first part of this video is incorrect. Gravy made a video on it called "Dissecting the mechanics of jump" at /watch?v=tY3XugmyMow
Yes! I was thinking the same thing.
Hax's Fox is cool and all, but will we ever see those crisp Falcon zero to death's on the same level as his? No, we won't. His Falcon is more remarkable than his Fox by a long-shot because he pushed the character to his limit and maximized his punish game with Captain Falcon. Sometimes you couldn't tell if his next hit would lead to a KO. I think that was something pretty special, honestly. It's a shame we won't see that any more.
Fox.
On your "How to Shield Drop" video, in the comments you guys said you were working on a tutorial on how to notch your controller in order for it to shield drop. Is this still being worked on?
uhhhhh we'll get to it lol. been meaning to do ti for awhile
Luigi vs Marth matchup guide next? That would be great! It's a matchup I generally have a hard time with
Samus vs. Sheik matchup guide? Or anything Samus related (e.g. advanced techniques part 2)? :)
Who can stack up against the hype HAX$ brought with his Capt. Falcon?! lol
also, can you make a video on the Falcon vs Fox match-up? I don't see why you would make a video about how to play a better character to beat an inferior one. And when I say inferior, I mean worse options/priorities.
As a huge Hax fan it's so hard to decide which of his character I love more. Needless to say go watch Progs "WTF Hax" combo video as it's my personal favourite combo video. His Fox inspired me to play and main Fox and work towards the 20XX idealogy. I'm siding with his Fox.
Can you please teach the marth vs. bowser matchup from marth's perspective? I've been having some trouble. Thanks for showing how to edgeguard falcon, it's really hard, also for marth v bowser, I was wondering if marth has any good edgeguarding options? It doesn't seem like he has any.
in ultimate or melee?
The first point about the spacing is not true, because there is such a thing as an analog dash jump.
maybe you should put "______ POV" in the title to avoid confusion
also, hax fox
i really just love overwhelming technical play
Most people put the character's name from which they are talking about the matchup first in the phrase.
If you call it the Fox vs shiek matchup, your talking about fox's matchup, and vice versa.
Is this a "tutorial" how fox should approach or falcon because you specificaly explained fox combos and not falcons.. maybe you make an extra guide for that ?
Hey Kira, could you start making videos covering the combos each character is capable of? Would make a good series
we have a few already, but yeah it's coming for sure
Hax's style is what I like, wether it's falcon or fox, It's always super intresting to watch. But his falcon was so good, he was like the mew2king of Falcon punish game.
Good video can't wait to see the otherside as a Falcon main myself. Can we see a are you a luigi player and some other luigi stuff too? I'm on an Abate binge lately.
Hax's Falcon, definitely. His Fox is okay, but his Falcon is a work of art.
Hax's Fox. It's really close, considering his Falcon (IMO) is the balance between the optimization of Wizzy/Gahtzu and the excitement of S2J/n0ne. But his Fox is so aggro and different from every other Fox.
Hax's falcon is better in my opinion. Can you do a Marth vs jiggs match up?
Any guides planned for pikachu?
Are we going to see a new "Are you a X player?" soon ? Would love to see a video on the rest of the viable mid-tiers (Pikachu, Yoshi, Luigi)
kira can you do more stuff on falco or IC's?
How did you get widescreen on dolphin?
Falcon is the black man of melee... Can't catch a break #FalconLivesMatter
This is like picking on the fat kid at lunch...
Both Hax's fox and falcon are legendary imo, but as a Fox player myself, I'd have to say his Fox just because of his godly tech skill. Also, really good video, there's a certain falcon player at my locals that gives me a hard time. Definitely gonna study this and get better in the MU.
Nice guide, though I definitely agree there should be a guide on the match up from Falcon's perspective.
His falcon by far
Why would you teach fox players to beat Falcon???
because new players usually have trouble with him, and high level players already beat falcon anyways
***** New Falcon players also have trouble with Fox too.
You're dumb. Low level foxes can spam utilt and bair to win against a low level falcon. People need help with the opposite match up.
BrickerBlocky Exactly. That's what I was thinking.
there's a point in low-mid level where foxes don't have any answer to a DDing Falcon
So hax is back? What happened to his carpal tunnel
unfortunately he isn't back, he needs to get a tendon removed but no doctors with in his insurance are willing to do the operation, according to hax his day to day life is painful in general now because of his hand
That sucks. I have carpal tunnel too. I stopped playing entirely. I play very seldom so cant keep up with the new gameplay. But it is always interesting to watch the new kids, they are pretty dog on good. As for me. Well I've turned mt attention to other things. Tell hax to drink anti oxidants. High alkaline water that has anti oxidants which is made when filtered thru a special filter will help if not treat it entirely. I'm in the process of buying a water filter.. they go for several grand.. 2k$ and up for good ones. But they are worth it. My carpal tunnel symptoms have gone wayyyy down and I can play longer. But the symptoms do come back. I don't have a filter though so I have to go to a friend who lets me take 9 gallons at a time. I have 2 left. Started about 2 maybe 3 weeks ago. Can't wait to have my own and be carpal tunnel free.
You should do a video on Marth vs. Peach
Fox
On no DI fox can u throw waveshine regrab falcon at 0.
Love all the salt in the comments about a guide for novice players that has already existed in text based formats for years.
im voting Fox. Great video also! I'm not a fox main, but there is still a lot of useful information
I would love to see can ICs vs Peach match up guide.
Kira's right guys. If you're pissed that he doesn't give any advice as falcon, here's all the essentials
LRAstart fox
That's all you need to know as falcon for this particular matchup
Could you please make a Fox vs Peach Matchup guide? would really help a lot
Gotta go with hax's fox. His tech skill was beyond any other fox at the time by a long shot, at least in terms of consistency.
I preferred Hax's Fox. I enjoy watching it a lot. Although don't get me wrong, his Falcon was godlike as well. It's really close, but I just really like his Fox
Can't Falcons attack the mid range with analog jumps, some gravy shit?
You can do shield stop aerials, but they are considerably slower
can you make some falcon's match up guides pls. we need it more
I liked HAX's Falcon more because of how well he always comboed into knee
Marth vs. Shiek
- every Marth's biggest weakness
Hax's fox is one of the best things to happen to melee. His falcon was good but it was limiting him
A video specifically on Mewtwo or DK would be nice.
Hax's Falcon duh.
Also, pls Falco v. Puff. I have no idea how to win the neutral against Puff.
Hax falcon any day of the week. Swaggiest and most technical falcon ever.
Hax's Falcon is cooler than his fox, but hax's fox is super technical and it's inhuman. But i dont think hax's fox has a combo like the Hax vs Vex Kasrani combo.
Do another Samus video pleease, she has losing or equal MU for most of the top 8 and everyone loves her hype sets!
Are you going to do fox/marth at one point?
yes
SSBM Tutorials Yes please!
Can you guys do a "how to beat a Samus." I have a guy at my school who plays a spammy Samus and its hard to counter. If you could that world be awesome
Hax$ has always been an incredibly technical player, but the tech skill is just more enjoyable with his Falcon. Yeah, his fox is and always will be impressive, but it doesn't have the same soul as his falcon
lol, give OP 20xx more options to destroy people. nice
holy shit man this guide was mad intro level. Most anyone who plays the game knows this.
just watch out for late knee which is +1 on block
I'd love to see Samus vs Marth, as a Samus main, Marth is the character that I am the worst against.
How'd you know I got 2&0d by one of the best falcons in ct yesterday?
Moist: Melee And More who was this Falcon? I was at HoG for the first time but I didn't enter.
I never heard of him but his name was rat kid apparently my friends said he was really good and i guess he had a different tag idk but he 2-0d everyone until he played slox... slox is crazy though
and i only played a game with fox then i pulled out sheik thinking i could harass but that didn't work either
Yeah definitely Hax$'s fox. He goes full 20XX sometimes which is just plain scary.
Do Fox Vs everyone MU guide! (real fox vs falco would be nice and fox vs marth would be cool)
I am way more into custom combos then 20xx, HAX F. $ in the pink is the way I like him dressed
Hax's Falcon was pretty hype at times, but was mediocre overall.
His Fox, on the other hand, is something to strive for. Unrivalled Techskill excellence.
get well soon Hax :c
Make videos about pikachu, these's literaly no pika guide on the whole youtube.
You can ask axe yes?
Don't think there is alot of demand on pikachu guides with the lack of pika mains.
can you do a Luigi vs sheik matchup?
I was expecting this video to be L+R+A+Start pick fox. You need to do falcon's side now.
Marth vs Fox guide?
Gotta be Hax$ Falcon. His Fox is technical as hell, but doesn't have anything else.
marth v fox guide?
his fox
it fits him better
if somebody ends a toxic relationship and then meets the love of their life and starts having a wonderful life with them you don't yell at them or tell them to get back together with the toxic relationship. falcon and hax were a toxic relationship. Fox and Hax are true love.
Hax's Falcon pushed the character in ways nobody expected, to the point where Hax was the 6th best player in 2013. Hax's Fox was mostly following in the footsteps of other Foxes, albiet refined to be as perfect as possible. Still, his Falcon was sicker. His crew battle against Leffen is unforgettable.
YES THANK YOU, because all we need is more Foxes out there who know how to shit on Falcon even more.
Also: Hax Falcon, because he literally invented new things with him, whereas his Fox is more of a ridicoulus techskill spammer
so much salt this guide was mad basic only newer players will gain much. (which is the intention)