I love how Toyota incorporated the old Land Cruiser design elements into this new Land Cruiser. Well done! Please increase the gas tank size in the mid cycle refresh.
The hybrid kills it for me. People use to buy land cruisers for the same reason they’d buy defenders. To take into adverse environments far from people and in the off chance something broke it could be easily replaced or temporarily repaired in the field and taken back home. That’s not a reality with the new one.
I had my 2024 Land Cruiser for 2 months and it has now been in the service department for 1 month waiting for a new transmission. Not what I expected from my first Toyota.
I heard someone drive it and keep it in hybird mode while costing getting it to 27mpg, gotta take it easy on the gas and coast it so the engine doesn't turn on your using the battery when you can
This one is actually same size as the LC200 you've had before in US. Not smaller. It's on the same frame as LC300 but overall shape is a bit smaller than the 300.
Good informative review.. I think that the driver's visibility in all directions is super important to safe driving - and to all around driving enjoyment. I am surprised that it seems that no one is complaining about the large black box at the top middle part of the front windshield. 8:03 .. (This unfortunately is the same in just about all newer vehicles.) I know that is the housing for the safety monitoring equipment, but it also blocks the drivers (and passenger's) view out of the front windshield .. especially if you are taller (like me - about 6' "2). I think they should find another place to put the safety monitoring equipment so that the driver can use the entire windshield to look out - for safe driving. I trust my own eye sight MUCH more than relying on safety monitoring equipment to drive safely.
I wish this Land Cruiser was marketed as Land Cruiser 250 or Land cruiser Prado, its not in the same class as the Land cruiser 200 we had up until 2021. Outside of USA there is Land Cruiser 300 which people call as Land Cruiser.
The 200 is a station wagon cruiser great for important people to be moved from point a to point b, 250 is in the middle as a light duty land cruiser great for the trails, 70 is a heavy duty Land Cruiser great truck. In north america toyota announced thr 250 as the new Flagship Land Cruiser
Tfl pitted this against an 80 series that had a 2 inch lift and 33’s. The base model 1958 LC got up the hardest part of the trail on street tires while the 80 couldn’t make it. I still don’t see how it’s not a real Land Cruiser when a lot of people think the 80 is the last “real Land Cruiser”. No lift and street tires and it still beat a modded 80 series.
It’s not a first. The only first is selling the Prado in the states. They didn’t give us a cheaper version of the 300 series. That’s the way you make it sound. It’s a slight of hand.
Land Cruiser is one of the best car you can drive in a lifetime, had own all types of Toyota models since 1976 and never had a problem. Currently owned 2003 Tacoma truck and 2014 4Runner and still going strong 🚘🚗🚘.
@@scottfromoahu2896the 200 series started at 80K and had far less amenities than this does. Pricings really not bad people just don’t like a 4cylinder even though there’s nothing wrong with that.
The land cruiser didn't shrink they just replaced the full size with the baby "Land Cruiser Prado" from over seas that we only used to get here as the Lexus GX and vise versa. Australians will get the GX550 for the first time we get their legendary Prado
Comparing to the “last generation” is misleading. This a Toyota version of a GX460. Now gx550. Comparing to the 200 series you’re buying into marketing “land cruiser” this is a prado
I love the look of this truck. They should make a plug in hybrid version that exchanges all of the real 4WD equipment for a battery and two motors like the RAV4 Prime has. For those few people who buy this and never take it off roading. They could call it the Land Poser or the Faux Cruiser and just own the fact that it’s for Home Depot, Costco and family trips on the highway.
honestly they could make a plug in hybrid version and keep all the 4WD stuff. They just don't trust Lithium Ion battery's to last 400k miles under off-road conditions
I see automakers are once again trying to get people to buy subscriptions to features. Hopefully, the public rejects this. If I'm paying for a driving aid on the window sticker, I refuse to pay a subscription on top
Mirrors are narrow for overlanding between trees. The further storage cubby behind the second row are accessible from the passenger doors. And whoever complained about the stitching bothering their skin shouldn’t be testing vehicles. 😂
Just saw it in person. I wasn't impressed. It looks like a lower-trim cheap SUV. Too much plastic, it is a very plain looking truck and it's probably not as reliable as older toyotas. There is a reason why people are still paying top dollar for older gx460. Older toyota SUVs are far superior.
For MYs 2026 and newer, Toyota might need to replace the 1958 and namesake trims with these: * SR5 (replacing 1958) * Heritage (replaces namesake but mimics the LE, XLE, XSE, and Limited trims of other Toyotas) * TRD Pro * Trailhunter * GRX (performance-oriented flagship) Toyota might consider replacing the Sequoia with extended-length 3-row versions of the LC250 and Lexus GX Mk3.
While nice to have for the front passenger when placed closer to the center screen, I never understood why all of the car reviewers cry about not having a physical volume knob when easy volume control is always right there on the steering wheel.
This guy has so many contradictions in this video - at one point he says the space is tight and then he says it’s spacious. He says he likes the barebones 1958 version, then praises the GX with massaging seats. He is all over the place. The side rearview mirrors are an homage to previous Toyotas - FJ, for example. Heck the whole vehicle is. Also, to Consumer Reports: just stop testing body on frame SUVs on a track. Nobody is doing that. This is not a Miata. Let’s hear more about quality of materials, and fit and finish. What’s truly been lacking in the new gens. - Taco, Tundra, and Sequoia. Hopefully, we get that information soon. As this LC is made in Japan and should make a difference in this department.
Coming from a 4runner truck to driving this more expensive smaller vehicle, not worth it IMO. They tried hard saying its the same size when its not and the materials are THIN. Smaller engine, thinner materials, a narrower cabin size, a louder engine driving, absolutely cant get rid of my 4runner now. 😂
I am curious how that hybrid max system does off-road. I saw some reviews with the grand highlander and its off roading abilities were hindered by the hybrid max system over heating..
Maybe if this was another $25K, this tester would be inspired? OH WAIT! That was the last LC and it didnt sell more than 5.000 units per year. cant imagine why Toyota didnt replicate that..
They didn't make it smaller and cheaper, they gave you a different model. You got downgraded from 300 series to 250. The volume knob is in a stupid place, they should put it on the centre console like Audi, BMW and Mazda.
Tried to like it but cant get rid of my 4runner. More expensive, slightly smaller and narrower inside, the engine is LOUD. I mean its quick but the fuel tank is small too. Oh and it was embarrassing seeing the mud flap hanging after my test drive on this overpriced vehicle. The quality is so downhill I left disappointed. Cant believe what i was feeling for the price of this thing. NO THANK YOU.
I agree. My 2009 4Runner has a lower back deck (which is FLAT when the rear seats are folded down); 6-cyl engine, ~20-gal tank, 20+ mpg, no battery which adds a lot of weight--and probably faster.
went and looked at one. I have owned a Landcruiser since 2007. I was very disappointed in it. I think the GX looks way better for extra 10k with a bigger engine, They were offering 5k off sticker .
An overland or road-trip type vehicle with a tiny fuel tank and rear seats that don't fold completely flat. And that cargo platform is where the battery is. It's not about trying to maximize storage space. 😂😂
Toyota is going through identity issues. They are trying to change all their models to he/him and she/her….with all this twistedness of Hybrid and Turbos. Where are the good old naturally aspirated engines? Simple straightforward, the way it was for decades.
Adjustable thigh support is not new for Toyotas ... They've offered that since at least 2007 on the Tundra and Sequoia if you get a high-level trim package: ruclips.net/video/Wgy_dXdvVus/видео.htmlsi=jJpO3lU78lIzUki8&t=36
I sat in one of these recently. I was not impressed. Interior parts feel flimsy. If you press on the toggle switches, the entire section with all of the switches moves. Some of the interior material is so rough it’s not even comfortable to set your hand on, like the plastic in the cupholders. I would not mind this at 35-45k, but I cannot imagine paying 50-70k. It is not worth that.
GX looks so much nicer/classier/cleaner design, all petrol, nicer v6 engine. Hybrid complexity to save a few mpg doesn’t seem worth it. So much more complexity, parts, maintenance, repairs in the future for a hybrid.
It isn't more complex, they don't have starters, altenrators etc.. they actually cost less to maintain than the gas variants. but yes GX is a lot nicer for both much more money
It's actually to add power while reducing emissions. It's more about meeting CAFE regs. Also, it's a myth that hybrids are high maintenance. Actually the opposite is true.
I cannot fathom how abysmally stupid MPG scale is. Who came up with this shit? The MPG scale is non-linear! For efficient vehicles the curve goes to infinity
Geez… reading pity comments below, Toyota should just take LC out of US market completely. then they don’t have to deal with all these lazy and whining consumers.
I wasn’t lazy and I driven one and it’s for sure not worth over 50k. The real pity here is spending that amount of money only to have five seats, hearing a horn that comes from a small economy vehicle, and trying to deny the fact that they are only riding on the nameplate. This thing is so over priced. They are trying to make it look like it’s some G wagon when it’s not. even the new Honda passport embarrasses this vehicle
Kudos to Consumer Reports for picking a reviewer that looks exactly like the type of dude who buys a rig like this.
I love how Toyota incorporated the old Land Cruiser design elements into this new Land Cruiser. Well done! Please increase the gas tank size in the mid cycle refresh.
This is a 250 Land Cruiser is not the 300 Lc that we had before. It s not smaller rather a different vehicle
This is the right answer. CR is clueless.
I'm glad you mentioned the Lexus version (GX) which, in addition to the V6, doesn't have that raised rear cargo floor, and adds the third row seat.
but is that six on recall?
@@gosman949no
It’s so damn cool. I have a deposit down for one just like this with the brown leather. Should be here in a few weeks. So excited!!
Nice ! I’m thinking of trading my 2022 Toyota Tundra for Land Cruiser …
It is awesome. I have the First Edition. I am going from a 2022 4RUNNER. Huge difference. You will love it.
Wow, that's so amazing. I'm happy for you, I will get it for car camping with my dog.
I’ve been waiting months. For this exact trim and color. They keep saying soon.
I got one exactly like that and I love it
The hybrid kills it for me. People use to buy land cruisers for the same reason they’d buy defenders. To take into adverse environments far from people and in the off chance something broke it could be easily replaced or temporarily repaired in the field and taken back home. That’s not a reality with the new one.
That's not the reality with any new vehicle.
I had my 2024 Land Cruiser for 2 months and it has now been in the service department for 1 month waiting for a new transmission. Not what I expected from my first Toyota.
Lots of issues with new engines and transmissions from Toyota swapping over to the hybrid turbo 4 and 6 cyl
17.5 gallon gas tank. That is the biggest problem with this otherwise expensive but lovely truck. You wont go crusing far from a gas station!!
I heard someone drive it and keep it in hybird mode while costing getting it to 27mpg, gotta take it easy on the gas and coast it so the engine doesn't turn on your using the battery when you can
Also premium gas required, no 3rd row. What a bummer
No problem for me. Since the battery is helping you with MPG
Toyota royally screwed up the 2024 modes with that small 18 gallon gas tanks. Ridiculous
Hybrid powertrain only. Estimated range is about 400 miles.
Excellent review… thank you
This is the only thing from Toyota that I've liked, but I have yet to see one in person.
Less impressive in person IMO....really just blends in
This one is actually same size as the LC200 you've had before in US. Not smaller. It's on the same frame as LC300 but overall shape is a bit smaller than the 300.
Good informative review.. I think that the driver's visibility in all directions is super important to safe driving - and to all around driving enjoyment. I am surprised that it seems that no one is complaining about the large black box at the top middle part of the front windshield. 8:03 .. (This unfortunately is the same in just about all newer vehicles.) I know that is the housing for the safety monitoring equipment, but it also blocks the drivers (and passenger's) view out of the front windshield .. especially if you are taller (like me - about 6' "2). I think they should find another place to put the safety monitoring equipment so that the driver can use the entire windshield to look out - for safe driving. I trust my own eye sight MUCH more than relying on safety monitoring equipment to drive safely.
I wish this Land Cruiser was marketed as Land Cruiser 250 or Land cruiser Prado, its not in the same class as the Land cruiser 200 we had up until 2021. Outside of USA there is Land Cruiser 300 which people call as Land Cruiser.
The 200 is a station wagon cruiser great for important people to be moved from point a to point b, 250 is in the middle as a light duty land cruiser great for the trails, 70 is a heavy duty Land Cruiser great truck. In north america toyota announced thr 250 as the new Flagship Land Cruiser
I had a 2014 LC. I AM not missing the terrible gas mileage. My 2024 is more comfortable and faster and quieter. And the 20mpg is a bonus.
Tfl pitted this against an 80 series that had a 2 inch lift and 33’s. The base model 1958 LC got up the hardest part of the trail on street tires while the 80 couldn’t make it. I still don’t see how it’s not a real Land Cruiser when a lot of people think the 80 is the last “real Land Cruiser”. No lift and street tires and it still beat a modded 80 series.
Why do you care?
I would call it the Land Cruiser 250.
Change the spare location to tuck in the tires a lot more..move the battery location and am in. hopefully during mid cycle refresh
That shifter did not come from Tundra. That looks more like the RAV4 shifter.
It’s not a first. The only first is selling the Prado in the states.
They didn’t give us a cheaper version of the 300 series. That’s the way you make it sound. It’s a slight of hand.
Thank you for not subjecting us to the typical RUclips begging. Great job.
Land Cruiser is one of the best car you can drive in a lifetime, had own all types of Toyota models since 1976 and never had a problem. Currently owned 2003 Tacoma truck and 2014 4Runner and still going strong 🚘🚗🚘.
I am looking forward to your assessment of towing and comparing the Land Cruiser to the new 4 Runner
Excellent video, well done.
Any LC250 review that never mentions it's actually a Prado is suspect.
Very thorough review! Nice job!
Mmmm battery power and later replacement.....exciting...said no one ever
Save a few bucks and get a 4Runner! 😊👌
Probably won’t be that much cheaper lol.
AND YOU WILL STILL HAVE A 4RUNNER
thats a mediocre car but is it the best off roader?
Good review
I am so glad that Land Cruiser stop being a Luxury bloated car and now it is a practical 4x4 wagon. Pricing is acording to a Toyota practical car.
What a world when a $69k price is considered "practical".
@@scottfromoahu2896the 200 series started at 80K and had far less amenities than this does. Pricings really not bad people just don’t like a 4cylinder even though there’s nothing wrong with that.
@@scottfromoahu2896It's a knife fight out there.
Car prices are ridiculous.
The land cruiser didn't shrink they just replaced the full size with the baby "Land Cruiser Prado" from over seas that we only used to get here as the Lexus GX and vise versa.
Australians will get the GX550 for the first time we get their legendary Prado
Super cool, but no third row means no deal.
Comparing to the “last generation” is misleading. This a Toyota version of a GX460. Now gx550. Comparing to the 200 series you’re buying into marketing “land cruiser” this is a prado
I love the look of this truck. They should make a plug in hybrid version that exchanges all of the real 4WD equipment for a battery and two motors like the RAV4 Prime has. For those few people who buy this and never take it off roading. They could call it the Land Poser or the Faux Cruiser and just own the fact that it’s for Home Depot, Costco and family trips on the highway.
honestly they could make a plug in hybrid version and keep all the 4WD stuff. They just don't trust Lithium Ion battery's to last 400k miles under off-road conditions
I see automakers are once again trying to get people to buy subscriptions to features. Hopefully, the public rejects this. If I'm paying for a driving aid on the window sticker, I refuse to pay a subscription on top
I agree with you--stop the gouging! I might be mistaken, but I think GM will only give you NAV on their vehicles now if you buy the subscription.
Is small than the previous model a comfortable space 🤔? I hope better.
Thanks for share 🙏🏻
Look how cramp/tight the driver seat. OMG. Pffff...
How much to replace the battery?
The batter is warranted for 12 years or 150,000 miles
I hope this is huge for the gas mileage because it seems like the ford bronco sport in size. I haven’t seen one in person yet so I’m intrigued.
Looked at one. At this price point, it has no business having an interior bathed is so much cheap, flimsy, black plastic.
Mirrors are narrow for overlanding between trees. The further storage cubby behind the second row are accessible from the passenger doors. And whoever complained about the stitching bothering their skin shouldn’t be testing vehicles. 😂
And he had to step a little farther to get in and don't forget the too large handle! I got a my flatulence doesn't stink vibe from him.
Is it weird that I consider this a dream car?
Very
No, its not. Dream cars are personal, not a colletive agreement 🗣️🔊
Just saw it in person. I wasn't impressed. It looks like a lower-trim cheap SUV. Too much plastic, it is a very plain looking truck and it's probably not as reliable as older toyotas. There is a reason why people are still paying top dollar for older gx460. Older toyota SUVs are far superior.
For MYs 2026 and newer, Toyota might need to replace the 1958 and namesake trims with these:
* SR5 (replacing 1958)
* Heritage (replaces namesake but mimics the LE, XLE, XSE, and Limited trims of other Toyotas)
* TRD Pro
* Trailhunter
* GRX (performance-oriented flagship)
Toyota might consider replacing the Sequoia with extended-length 3-row versions of the LC250 and Lexus GX Mk3.
While nice to have for the front passenger when placed closer to the center screen, I never understood why all of the car reviewers cry about not having a physical volume knob when easy volume control is always right there on the steering wheel.
because most people don't like steering wheel controls!
This guy has so many contradictions in this video - at one point he says the space is tight and then he says it’s spacious. He says he likes the barebones 1958 version, then praises the GX with massaging seats. He is all over the place.
The side rearview mirrors are an homage to previous Toyotas - FJ, for example. Heck the whole vehicle is.
Also, to Consumer Reports: just stop testing body on frame SUVs on a track. Nobody is doing that. This is not a Miata.
Let’s hear more about quality of materials, and fit and finish. What’s truly been lacking in the new gens. - Taco, Tundra, and Sequoia. Hopefully, we get that information soon. As this LC is made in Japan and should make a difference in this department.
Coming from a 4runner truck to driving this more expensive smaller vehicle, not worth it IMO. They tried hard saying its the same size when its not and the materials are THIN. Smaller engine, thinner materials, a narrower cabin size, a louder engine driving, absolutely cant get rid of my 4runner now. 😂
Cargo area waring - "The board could break if over 60kg objects are placed on it." Sorry full grown adults - that's means you can't even climb in.
Ops Rest of the world calls it Prado but US it’s rebadged as LC
And Calling this little thing As LC it’s weird
The thigh extender is and has been offered on other Toyota branded products
In Europe they are offered from dealers 10/15% below mrsp, they are just ugly. Either way, the bloke in the clip not very familair with LC's
It sells for $44000 in ME. It was very expensive when came out, then the price kept going down
I am curious how that hybrid max system does off-road. I saw some reviews with the grand highlander and its off roading abilities were hindered by the hybrid max system over heating..
I did off road mine yesterday. got a message to do due to a hawt transmission. but I put it in 4low and the message never came back
Very different hybrid system. If anything, the hybrid system in the LC is an asset, providing easy to control electric torque at low speed.
I bought a 2018 200 lc with 26k miles for 69k . That truck is better than this one in every way. 70k for that is a rip off
Look at how they massacred my boy
IMO, it’s a Land Cruiser in name only. I’d rather have a previous generation from 2006-2007.
Maybe if this was another $25K, this tester would be inspired? OH WAIT! That was the last LC and it didnt sell more than 5.000 units per year. cant imagine why Toyota didnt replicate that..
car looks CHEAP!! hard plastic all over... doesn't look like near 70k
Driving around in EV mode silently.....so sexy....not
It’s a prado not a cruiser
Did you guys do an audio dub over this man? Why?
Interesting. No flat load bay in this vehicle or the new defender. Disappointing.
They didn't make it smaller and cheaper, they gave you a different model. You got downgraded from 300 series to 250. The volume knob is in a stupid place, they should put it on the centre console like Audi, BMW and Mazda.
Tried to like it but cant get rid of my 4runner. More expensive, slightly smaller and narrower inside, the engine is LOUD. I mean its quick but the fuel tank is small too. Oh and it was embarrassing seeing the mud flap hanging after my test drive on this overpriced vehicle. The quality is so downhill I left disappointed. Cant believe what i was feeling for the price of this thing. NO THANK YOU.
I agree. My 2009 4Runner has a lower back deck (which is FLAT when the rear seats are folded down); 6-cyl engine, ~20-gal tank, 20+ mpg, no battery which adds a lot of weight--and probably faster.
WHY DO YOU ALWAYS FORGET ABOUT THE 1200 DOLLAR WHEELS ON YOUR LAND CRUISER
went and looked at one. I have owned a Landcruiser since 2007. I was very disappointed in it. I think the GX looks way better for extra 10k with a bigger engine, They were offering 5k off sticker .
Smaller and less expensive? Because it’s a completely different and smaller vehicle… and it’s as expensive as a Lexus GX without the nice finishes
An overland or road-trip type vehicle with a tiny fuel tank and rear seats that don't fold completely flat. And that cargo platform is where the battery is. It's not about trying to maximize storage space. 😂😂
I was thinking about buying this, but then I realized I'll just wait for the EV version
Like this is already outdated
It’s more of an upgraded FJ Cruiser than a downgraded Land Cruiser.
Its not a downgraded land cruiser. It's an upgraded but smaller land cruiser.
It’s a Land Cruiser Prado. Which is a mid size Land Cruiser. Land Cruiser is sold as an LX here in the states.
Sorry, Lexus LX
Way too over priced for the features it provides.
Probably go for rivian
I'm driving my 3rd Toyota 4x4 currently and it will be my last -
I'm so disappointed in Toyota's new trucks - very disappointed
Hybrid ruined the outgoing Tacomas, Tundras and now these LC'rs. Engine and transmission issues and recalls are rampant.
Toyota is going through identity issues. They are trying to change all their models to he/him and she/her….with all this twistedness of Hybrid and Turbos. Where are the good old naturally aspirated engines? Simple straightforward, the way it was for decades.
You can tell the dramatic changes as the new overhead has taken over Toyota and it is for sure not in a good way.
Them turbo engines aint gonna last
I'll take an old one.
Wow, didn't think Toyota could screw it up. Hybrid...geeze.
Made in Japan?
Can somebody justify this price?
Absolutely not for me. My runner has seven seats and it was less than 40k 8 years ago
Adjustable thigh support is not new for Toyotas ... They've offered that since at least 2007 on the Tundra and Sequoia if you get a high-level trim package: ruclips.net/video/Wgy_dXdvVus/видео.htmlsi=jJpO3lU78lIzUki8&t=36
$70k?? You could get a Model X for that price. Who in their right mind would pay that much for this already outdated vehicle?
MY my new car is a toyota yaris cross mit allrad farbe ash grey metalic mini offroad feeling
PHEV/EREV version of this car and it would be over
I sat in one of these recently. I was not impressed. Interior parts feel flimsy. If you press on the toggle switches, the entire section with all of the switches moves. Some of the interior material is so rough it’s not even comfortable to set your hand on, like the plastic in the cupholders. I would not mind this at 35-45k, but I cannot imagine paying 50-70k. It is not worth that.
It does have more headroom than the current 4runner. The rear load height is is higher than it looks.
And the leather steering wheel feels like plastic. If it didn’t have stitching I would think it was plastic. Such a cheap vehicle.
35-45k? That’ll get you a mid-trim Camry.
i don't like it
Good.
GX looks so much nicer/classier/cleaner design, all petrol, nicer v6 engine.
Hybrid complexity to save a few mpg doesn’t seem worth it. So much more complexity, parts, maintenance, repairs in the future for a hybrid.
It isn't more complex, they don't have starters, altenrators etc.. they actually cost less to maintain than the gas variants. but yes GX is a lot nicer for both much more money
It's actually to add power while reducing emissions. It's more about meeting CAFE regs. Also, it's a myth that hybrids are high maintenance. Actually the opposite is true.
10 year 150k warranty on it. Have you kept a vehicle that long with that many miles?
Electric motor does zero for fuel economy on long trips--only in traffic.
Will be in the junkyard or recalled real soon…
2:25 why is the door frame so thin?
Cheaply made!
Toyota being cheap AF
you referring to the door window frame in particular?
I cannot fathom how abysmally stupid MPG scale is. Who came up with this shit? The MPG scale is non-linear! For efficient vehicles the curve goes to infinity
Overpriced, get a 4runner
A 4runner is still a Land Cruiser Prado
HECK GET A RAV4 TRD HYBRID RIGHT?
@@noctilucent7396 but cheaper
Early review eh? Waaaaay late to the game.
It’s also slow as hell. 0-60 in 8.2 seconds.
This is a gas engine Prado.
Yes, and the Land Cruiser Prado is one of the most respected off-roaders in the world.
Prado is such a badass word. Know what it means?
Baby cruiser.
TALK S L O W E R
Generic styling. Blah.
Geez… reading pity comments below, Toyota should just take LC out of US market completely. then they don’t have to deal with all these lazy and whining consumers.
I wasn’t lazy and I driven one and it’s for sure not worth over 50k. The real pity here is spending that amount of money only to have five seats, hearing a horn that comes from a small economy vehicle, and trying to deny the fact that they are only riding on the nameplate. This thing is so over priced. They are trying to make it look like it’s some G wagon when it’s not. even the new Honda passport embarrasses this vehicle