Used to play the tour v in my apex pros. Loved it, bought new irons during Covid and wasn’t able to get the tour V shafts, now I’m playing the $-taper and I love them. Never loved the kbs tour shafts, always felt ringing in my hands.
I use Cobra Forged Tec and found KBS $ taper 120 best on 4-8 Irons, and True Temper Amt Black Onyx S300 on 9-Wedges. For me, couldn't be happier with the mix and really improved my game.
hey Trottie - you can use the Mitchell Swingweight scale to get total/dead weight as well - lay the club perpendicular to the scale on the black V (close to the adjustable balance weight), and then slide the weight back and forth to get total weight.
@@LBODryPowder 3 degrees down and that much spin? Not much left to do tbh, maybe x7 shafts or a lower spin modus, pro v1x left dash maybe? You play a cut?
Tour V was designed by KB as a higher launching (more active tip) for the late release of Phil Mickelson. He was a user of the OG PX Satin which was discontinued when TT bought Royal Precision. I find the lighter options amazing for Tour V because other similar profiles like Modus 130 or Nippon 850 GH Neo fall on the heavier/lighter end of the weight spectrum. Love this perspective especially at better players “stuck at 130g”. For what it’s worth, Phil plays the Tour Issue 125X Tour V (has won majors with it) while Vik plays the non-TI 120X.
I got fitted for the KBS tour v 130x swing speed with 7 iron is 92-94 mph been struggling with them do you recommend going down to a stiff or lowering the weight?
Got fit for Tour V shafts recently, just had better dispersion and efficiency than anything I tried, all the way up to and including the new Axiom shafts
I was playing 130x $ taper for a season or two and wanted something a little lighter. I ended up getting fitted in to LA golf L series 120 stiff. Once the clubs were delivered I was surprised to see the LA golf total weight was 10 grams heavier than the 130 $ taper. I was confused. I did some digging and I found out the balance point in the LA golf is so high in the handle they had to add a considerable amount of weight to shaft tip to achieve a SW of D3. Once the average single digit handicappers figure out what swing weight is, I believe the fitting game will get way more complicated. different heads have different weights and swing weight directly affects shaft flex... most manufacturers won't honor a real swing weight request, and club champion charges 3k for a set of irons. its wild out here.
Had Tour V 110 in a set of BH Wedges and they were quite ok but I ended up changing them to KBS 610 also 110 weight but a softer feel at least in my hands. Still playing light weight shafts in my p760 irons but it's Modus 105.
I had KBS Tour V shafts for a short while. They felt fantastic and I could feel the lead deflection through impact but they spun so much it cost me a lot of distance. I got out of the Tour V pretty quickly and went in the Project X LZ 6.5 125g instead .... massive gains in ball flight and spin control.
I am a ping zz65 die hard. The first low weight, low spin shaft for smooth swingers who have high club head speed. Just put the 110 tour v S in some heads and They are softer than the zz65, however, not hooking and delivering very similar ball flight with less spin, so for 2024, it might be time to change. I am 53 now, yet still have similar numbers to Padraig, who is using the tour v at 125, the Phil shaft. I have tried that shaft and it requires me to go at 90+%, which isn’t fun for long. Also, liking the tour v 125 in my SW and LW, due to lower flight vs the tour 120. Anyway, hats off to ping for creating the zz65…..decades ahead of its time, it’s discontinued now, kbs has a great product line for everybody it appears
ZZ65 is great. Feels so good. Still used on tour. It was just a 120 gram Dynamic Gold right? I think the DG120 are similar. Apex 4 Hogan shaft was a legend too. Try Temper made them all.
Loved the video, Trottie! Could you give your opinion on using the Project X LS shafts (or just stepless shafts in general) for wedges? I have been gaming them for my irons and love them, but the feel is significantly worse in my wedges compared to the S300s I was gaming in them before. Thank you
Do they feel dead / no feel? I would suggest increasing the swing weight before you start to panic or change anything. Then I’d check the flex on them, you might be playing too stiff (increase swing weight to help) , I played stepless PX IO for quite some time but I didn’t go stepless in the wedges I used to play S4’s & wouldn’t move off that. In recent months I had a wedge fitting and went KBS 610, I spin wedges a lot so for me they were amazing but I was also blown away by the KBS facility. Take a look , take my advice as you find it. Bottom line swing weight first then if still not cool you gotta throw some steps in there & I’d start 610’s depending on how much you spin it m.ruclips.net/video/vPutQN1MiAI/видео.html&pp=ygUZVHJvdHRpZWdvbGYgd2VkZ2UgZml0dGluZw%3D%3D
KBS has a higher balance point. Either more head weight or tour issue HT version with a lower balance point. I played KBS and they make great products that are far ahead of the competitors.
Hi Trottie Great Video 👍, you’re swing weight measure looks a bit high tech, I have an old Ping swing weight weight measure which is just a bent sheet steel with a sliding weight but wouldn’t be without it😁, it’s great to know the swing weight when your trying to figure out why a club isn’t working for you👍, must try the KBS Tour V, tried a KBS shaft in a mates club and hated it, Thanks Dickey 9hcp 76year senior golfer
how would you compare a stepless golf shaft to a stepped shaft playing at the same saing weight? is it just a feel preference or could it actually move strike pattern to any significance?
Ill have to give them a go. I play tour 120s in one set of irons on calm low wind days and S300s in another set on windy days. I live in Ryan Palmer land, Amarillo in the Texas Panhandle where 10 to 20 mph is a good day and 20 to 30 with gusts to 45 happens 3 times a week. What type of shaft would use for these windy all the time conditions?
I grew up at Hoylake where the Open was played so I've always kept the ball down. I played the heavier option in the wind and back then I used a blade. When I moved to Asia and then the US I wanted more height, at that point was when I went lighter and a cavity back. The initial lightweight shafts spun too much so on windy days I'd stall out. Then the TP5X came out and solved that and I light weight shafts developed like the Tour V 110. I see where you're trying to go but having two different shafts I don't love, I think you gotta go strong lofts, consider ball and then 115g up works dependent on your speed. That would be my start point. I love that you're testing and on the two set ups but I reckon you can get into 1
I haven't played the 105 but I think this will be a fraction stiffer as it's very stable for the weight & the 105 from DG I would assume is going to kick a fraction more as it doesn't have the taper rate of the Tour V. Not a bad thing, neither is wrong, you just need to know what you need as a PLYR
My current set up is always in the description (albeit could change soon) I play the Tour V in my PW and then the 610 in the higher lofts. This is a solid vid to watch: ruclips.net/video/vPutQN1MiAI/видео.htmlsi=UE85I2GWuWohGe82
120 X. Victor has a lot of speed, medium loader. Phil and Paddy play the 125 S+ Tour V, which is much rarer. There is even a 130 Tour V, which must be getting hyper stiff, however, Victor plays that in his wedges, not sure if he is soft stepping with 8 iron, or wants super stiff and heavy to get low flight and control with his wedges. They have a standard tour v wedge S at 125 which I play and it’s stout, yet feels nice like it’s softer at impact, nice lower flight, but not too low. The holy grail of any shaft is having it feel active and easy to swing, yet, it hits a penetrating flight. As Trottie says, the tour V tries to get there, with lower weight
@@CaribSurfKing1 I'm gravitating to the Tour V's over the $ Taper but this year more than any other I've bounced around as working with a new Data product (more on this tomorrow) and have seen some gaps in my irons that I wanna improve. Ball flight wise they're close, it's more the feel for me and the stability of that Tour V
@@taylorvany1084 you can buy it in a heavier weight, the tour lads use the Tour V in a heavier weight . Personally I don’t have the speed for that but if you’re a crusher you can go there, or at least that’s what they recommend . Obv you can do you based on feel and preference
@@taylorvany1084funny enough that’s the same for my driver swing speed and I also really like the s300’s. I’d say play what works and feels right for you. Sometimes it’s about what makes you feel confident and comfortable standing over the ball. My current irons have true temper SL85 shafts and are supposed to be high flighted, spinny shafts but they do fine in the wind.
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Used to play the tour v in my apex pros. Loved it, bought new irons during Covid and wasn’t able to get the tour V shafts, now I’m playing the $-taper and I love them. Never loved the kbs tour shafts, always felt ringing in my hands.
Another great video!
As I am a newbie golfer, I havent tried KBS yet but this video made me do in future.
If you can get to the fitting center in Carlsbad then I’d recommend that, I’ve been well impressed to be fair
Ive been using light weight stiff shafts in my irons for years !!
100% works and at the end of a round when you tiring it helps to
I use Cobra Forged Tec and found KBS $ taper 120 best on 4-8 Irons, and True Temper Amt Black Onyx S300 on 9-Wedges. For me, couldn't be happier with the mix and really improved my game.
hey Trottie - you can use the Mitchell Swingweight scale to get total/dead weight as well - lay the club perpendicular to the scale on the black V (close to the adjustable balance weight), and then slide the weight back and forth to get total weight.
Digital scale is inexpensive and much faster.
I currently play the KBS PGI S Flex graphites, love em
When I see you released a new video I keep hoping it's the amateur spin rates vid haha
I’ll get to that. Waiting for the right test model
@@LBODryPowderwhat golf ball do you play?
@@LBODryPowder 3 degrees down and that much spin? Not much left to do tbh, maybe x7 shafts or a lower spin modus, pro v1x left dash maybe? You play a cut?
@@LBODryPowderball ? Similar I just the 130x KBS and my 7 is about 95-100
I play the tour v 90 stiff flex in black pvd and they are the best shafts I’ve played yet for my game 👌🏽
Tour V was designed by KB as a higher launching (more active tip) for the late release of Phil Mickelson. He was a user of the OG PX Satin which was discontinued when TT bought Royal Precision.
I find the lighter options amazing for Tour V because other similar profiles like Modus 130 or Nippon 850 GH Neo fall on the heavier/lighter end of the weight spectrum. Love this perspective especially at better players “stuck at 130g”.
For what it’s worth, Phil plays the Tour Issue 125X Tour V (has won majors with it) while Vik plays the non-TI 120X.
To be fair though, a modus 130 s is only 124 grams so it can be a little lighter than named depending on flex
I have dynamic gold 105 s300 shafts I love them because there light weight snd the feel amazing. And I can contour ball flight too
I got fitted for the KBS tour v 130x swing speed with 7 iron is 92-94 mph been struggling with them do you recommend going down to a stiff or lowering the weight?
tried TourV for a while, then tried the new UST Mamiya Dart V Concept shafts, LOVE them!!!
similar feel/performance etc?
Trottie vlogs are a guilty pleasure although part of me wishes he worked for callaway as I’d love his opinion on the new Apex.. 🙈🙈😂😂
🤣😂🤣
Got fit for Tour V shafts recently, just had better dispersion and efficiency than anything I tried, all the way up to and including the new Axiom shafts
I was playing 130x $ taper for a season or two and wanted something a little lighter. I ended up getting fitted in to LA golf L series 120 stiff. Once the clubs were delivered I was surprised to see the LA golf total weight was 10 grams heavier than the 130 $ taper. I was confused. I did some digging and I found out the balance point in the LA golf is so high in the handle they had to add a considerable amount of weight to shaft tip to achieve a SW of D3. Once the average single digit handicappers figure out what swing weight is, I believe the fitting game will get way more complicated. different heads have different weights and swing weight directly affects shaft flex... most manufacturers won't honor a real swing weight request, and club champion charges 3k for a set of irons. its wild out here.
ruclips.net/video/Ww2GaXSEX9Q/видео.htmlsi=e7ji9Adjm6-tuYY5
My most important video to date • couldn’t agree more
Had Tour V 110 in a set of BH Wedges and they were quite ok but I ended up changing them to KBS 610 also 110 weight but a softer feel at least in my hands. Still playing light weight shafts in my p760 irons but it's Modus 105.
I’m a big fan of the 610’s 🤌🏻
I play KBS tour lites and love them. High launch which I need. Thanks for the video.
I was fitted for them in my P790 irons and they are great get mad height but also distance aswell
Did you notice a distance change on your irons?
I have mid flight shafts but I think I need the high flight
I had KBS Tour V shafts for a short while. They felt fantastic and I could feel the lead deflection through impact but they spun so much it cost me a lot of distance. I got out of the Tour V pretty quickly and went in the Project X LZ 6.5 125g instead .... massive gains in ball flight and spin control.
What weight were you playing? sounds like you might have needed a fraction heavier....
Currently playing Tour v 110 stiff in my Hogan combo set, had em for 3 years+. Love the shafts. Will play them in the new P790s
I play the KBS PGI Tour graphites and they're blissful with my PXG heads.
I been using a tour v since 2014-2015 Interesting.
I am a ping zz65 die hard. The first low weight, low spin shaft for smooth swingers who have high club head speed. Just put the 110 tour v S in some heads and They are softer than the zz65, however, not hooking and delivering very similar ball flight with less spin, so for 2024, it might be time to change. I am 53 now, yet still have similar numbers to Padraig, who is using the tour v at 125, the Phil shaft. I have tried that shaft and it requires me to go at 90+%, which isn’t fun for long. Also, liking the tour v 125 in my SW and LW, due to lower flight vs the tour 120. Anyway, hats off to ping for creating the zz65…..decades ahead of its time, it’s discontinued now, kbs has a great product line for everybody it appears
I played that ZZ65 as a kid, solid shaft for sure. Get on the 610 Wedge shaft from KBS, that thing is fantastic!
ZZ65 is great. Feels so good. Still used on tour. It was just a 120 gram Dynamic Gold right? I think the DG120 are similar.
Apex 4 Hogan shaft was a legend too.
Try Temper made them all.
I bet your golf chats with your mates is next level
Love me some Trottie Tuesdays!!!
Love how Trottie casually slides in “Pimpin” in his review
Sidenote: love this shaft. Great feel that KBS is known for but doesn’t balloon.
Loved the video, Trottie!
Could you give your opinion on using the Project X LS shafts (or just stepless shafts in general) for wedges? I have been gaming them for my irons and love them, but the feel is significantly worse in my wedges compared to the S300s I was gaming in them before. Thank you
Do they feel dead / no feel? I would suggest increasing the swing weight before you start to panic or change anything. Then I’d check the flex on them, you might be playing too stiff (increase swing weight to help) , I played stepless PX IO for quite some time but I didn’t go stepless in the wedges I used to play S4’s & wouldn’t move off that.
In recent months I had a wedge fitting and went KBS 610, I spin wedges a lot so for me they were amazing but I was also blown away by the KBS facility.
Take a look , take my advice as you find it.
Bottom line swing weight first then if still not cool you gotta throw some steps in there & I’d start 610’s depending on how much you spin it
m.ruclips.net/video/vPutQN1MiAI/видео.html&pp=ygUZVHJvdHRpZWdvbGYgd2VkZ2UgZml0dGluZw%3D%3D
KBS has a higher balance point. Either more head weight or tour issue HT version with a lower balance point. I played KBS and they make great products that are far ahead of the competitors.
8 minutes of non stop fast wham bam thank you mam.. you had me waiting for the steak knives. 😁
is that a good thing? surely steak is a good thing? 🤣
great video trottie what kbs shaft would you recomend for a beginning golfer?
C Taper Lite is the best of the sub 120g KBS Shafts
Once tried to install this on my 4i titleist t-mb and pair it with my AMT S200 tour white 620mb 5-p, but didn’t work out
Hi Trottie Great Video 👍, you’re swing weight measure looks a bit high tech, I have an old Ping swing weight weight measure which is just a bent sheet steel with a sliding weight but wouldn’t be without it😁, it’s great to know the swing weight when your trying to figure out why a club isn’t working for you👍, must try the KBS Tour V, tried a KBS shaft in a mates club and hated it, Thanks Dickey 9hcp 76year senior golfer
Dickey - proper legend! Everyone needs to pay attention to this comment. SWING WEIGHT IS KING
how would you compare a stepless golf shaft to a stepped shaft playing at the same saing weight? is it just a feel preference or could it actually move strike pattern to any significance?
Ill have to give them a go. I play tour 120s in one set of irons on calm low wind days and S300s in another set on windy days. I live in Ryan Palmer land, Amarillo in the Texas Panhandle where 10 to 20 mph is a good day and 20 to 30 with gusts to 45 happens 3 times a week.
What type of shaft would use for these windy all the time conditions?
I grew up at Hoylake where the Open was played so I've always kept the ball down. I played the heavier option in the wind and back then I used a blade. When I moved to Asia and then the US I wanted more height, at that point was when I went lighter and a cavity back. The initial lightweight shafts spun too much so on windy days I'd stall out. Then the TP5X came out and solved that and I light weight shafts developed like the Tour V 110. I see where you're trying to go but having two different shafts I don't love, I think you gotta go strong lofts, consider ball and then 115g up works dependent on your speed. That would be my start point. I love that you're testing and on the two set ups but I reckon you can get into 1
Love seeing Txtlexst ads during a Taylormade video. Someone needs to fix that algo!
🤣😂🤣
How are they compared to dg tour issue 120g stiff shafts? Thinking of making the switch. I’d like that 110g weight
worth looking at, will potentially be more stable. At least that's what I feel
V10 is a good shaft. Not as good as modus 105,but KBS is still a good shaft.
Hey Trottie, how would this compare to the Dynamic Gold 105S???
I haven't played the 105 but I think this will be a fraction stiffer as it's very stable for the weight & the 105 from DG I would assume is going to kick a fraction more as it doesn't have the taper rate of the Tour V.
Not a bad thing, neither is wrong, you just need to know what you need as a PLYR
What do you think about purring golf shafts? I think that's what it's called?
Personally I don’t live n die by it but I know the 🐅 🐐 does so who am I to say it’s something you shouldn’t try
If swing weight is the same but the dead weight is different, will that mean that the MOI of the club as a whole will be different?
That will have a lot to do with head design , personally I think it’ll be feel more than MOI impact
How does the shaft magically make the ball struggle in the wind? I cant imagine a shaft change in an iron is going to alter spin that much.
it impacts dynamic loft which then impacts ball launch and flight
Would that be a alternative to KBS Tour 90 as they don’t produce the Tour 90 no more?
I'd have to ask. I'm not sure as it doesn't deadweight 110 it's a fraction heavier
Tour 90 S is 102, such a shame they don’t produce it anymore
What do u play in wedge?
My current set up is always in the description (albeit could change soon)
I play the Tour V in my PW and then the 610 in the higher lofts.
This is a solid vid to watch:
ruclips.net/video/vPutQN1MiAI/видео.htmlsi=UE85I2GWuWohGe82
@trottiegolf what's the swingweight and the length you play the Tour-V at ?
D3 & then 6i 38.5" EOG
Thanks Chris ! So 1" longer in length. Good info
@@ArnaudCASASSUS no sorry I meant 37.5” my bad ….
Wait so theyre still 120 and 130g but the balance point makes them “lightweight”?
They also come in 110 , the taper rate is what makes them unique. After that you decide your weight based on flex
$ Taper Lite in my bag😎
Don't hate it.... played the $ taper myself for a hot minute
i’d say it’s tigers
The beard trim has taken 30lbs off you😉
Someone else said that..... I guess it's a mint way to lose a few
How many grams does the shaft weigh that Viktor uses?
He's in the heavier version of this..... A LOT more speed than me
@@trottiegolf 👌
120 X. Victor has a lot of speed, medium loader. Phil and Paddy play the 125 S+ Tour V, which is much rarer. There is even a 130 Tour V, which must be getting hyper stiff, however, Victor plays that in his wedges, not sure if he is soft stepping with 8 iron, or wants super stiff and heavy to get low flight and control with his wedges. They have a standard tour v wedge S at 125 which I play and it’s stout, yet feels nice like it’s softer at impact, nice lower flight, but not too low. The holy grail of any shaft is having it feel active and easy to swing, yet, it hits a penetrating flight. As Trottie says, the tour V tries to get there, with lower weight
What's the verdict?
Has the Tour-V replaced the $-taper for you?
They're still in the bag - confirmed
@@trottiegolfWhat’s the ball flight order ? Tour, Tour V, $, Taper?
@@CaribSurfKing1 I'm gravitating to the Tour V's over the $ Taper but this year more than any other I've bounced around as working with a new Data product (more on this tomorrow) and have seen some gaps in my irons that I wanna improve. Ball flight wise they're close, it's more the feel for me and the stability of that Tour V
what if u like s300, though
Then play S3’s 🤷🏻♂️ …. This vid is about a shaft that we can’t ignore
@trottiegolf is it in 130 like the s300
@@taylorvany1084 you can buy it in a heavier weight, the tour lads use the Tour V in a heavier weight . Personally I don’t have the speed for that but if you’re a crusher you can go there, or at least that’s what they recommend . Obv you can do you based on feel and preference
@trottiegolf my driver swing speed is Cruising at 105 and if i swing like 85 to 95 percent its like 109
@@taylorvany1084funny enough that’s the same for my driver swing speed and I also really like the s300’s. I’d say play what works and feels right for you. Sometimes it’s about what makes you feel confident and comfortable standing over the ball. My current irons have true temper SL85 shafts and are supposed to be high flighted, spinny shafts but they do fine in the wind.
play one length 120 c-tapers. The horror!
Hi …. Are you paid by KBS?
Not yet….. guess I should get working on that 🤣…. You wanna be my agent?
fix your collar!!
Is Axiom not as popular?
The fuji shaft? I think it's very new? I did hit Micah Morris' and MAN IT WAS STIFF but he's a beast
@@trottiegolf awesome, thanks for the info.
Ok, Ok Mate the more u talk about this kinda shaft it seems like unfair advantage and so is it cheating ??? @USOpen @GolfDigest
I guess 🤣, you still gotta hit the shots