The problem with NON-BINARY
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- Опубликовано: 24 сен 2023
- Have you noticed the rise in people identifying as non-binary? Neither male nor female, and would prefer to be referred to as "They/Them".
In this video, I dive into why the non-binary identity is so attractive using the character of Che Diaz from the Sex and the City reboot - And Just Like That.
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calling yourself "non-binary" categorizes everyone as binary or non-binary, thus creating a binary system, which makes you binary again
I have a two-track mind, but I operate on one track at a time.
50-50 chance: either you are non-binary, or you're not
_Oh, the irony!_
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Awesome! 😂
If you dont want to live under a label of identity. Saying you are non-binary and making it your entire identity is the ULTIMATE irony.
Thank you!!!! It reminds me when I was younger and kids wanted to be an individual so they started being goth. Yet they all looked the same. There were rules that made you a true goth. You couldn’t like certain music or types of people. It was all ridiculous just like now.
@@Lovelyone1 Didn't goths reject conformity --- but to be part of their subculture, one had to conform to goth standards?
@@ernsttrekiew198 exactly!!!
Thank you!
@Lovelyone1 Ha! Yes! I was in high school in the late 90s. I was punk rock and even I used to call my punk rock boyfriend out for "conforming to non-conformity". He got so mad at me for that - in my defense he started it by calling me a conformist for wanting to get good grades and go to college 😂.
That last scene about "better be confused than sure" is the single stupidest thing ive heard in a while, wow, just wow
It sadly sums up the Non-binary movement better like nothin' else.
@@therealsnaily exactly. It saddens me that they base their whole idea of "not being the gender they are" on outdated and narrow-minded distorted illusions of what being a man or a woman entails, choosing to revel in things being even more confusing than they were instead of acceptance and understanding
@@snowhusk Completely agreed.
how the hell did we get here
@@snowhusk it doesn't help that the manosphere exists
By attempting to reject labels, they simply create a new one LOL!
I’ve heard of the 60s being a rebellious time for your people, so was the 90s and the 2000s. They all seemed to have one similarity that was different from the rebellious nature of the woke and alphabet mafia crowd: the kids of those eras didn’t identify as anything. They didn’t use other labels while rejecting society’s. They were simply themselves.
There are intersex people that identify as nb. It’s not an invention, it’s as valid an ID as anyone’s. Cis folks using the label weirds me out
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Because they don't really reject labels, that's an excuse to hate on how sexuality truly works because that reminds them of the gender roles including how _MEN_ are supposed to have a dignity and rights in front of women, as they don't even wanna recognize
Well, not every nonbinary person wants to reject all labels. Some of us do, but some of us just want to create more labels because we often feel that the traditional labels are not enough when it comes to describing our lived experience. It's as if you would like to describe the color orange to people who only see red or yellow. Language is a tool that helps us to acknowledge our feelings and experiences, so why not expand it?
I love how the people who claim to want to NOT be labeled, use the most labels when talking about people they dont like.
They say, they don't want to be labeled but put on the label "non-binary".
@@HalfEye79which in itself is self defeating because if you choose between binary and non binary, you're still choosing a label in a binary system 🤣
its fucking confusing. All of it.
@@GeneralKatarnthat's too much logic you guys you might confuse
No labels
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..except the new labels they come up with and stack of new rules EVERYBODY else has to learn in order to understand this new label
Lol I love how she’s even a stereotypical woke comedian that preaches and lectures on stage for applause instead of telling jokes for actual laughs.
Thank you for saying what i was thinking. I was just noticing it was a speech and not stand up..
And the best part about her speech? She'll still be alone and sad...and it's all self-inflicted
to the progressive, the only purpose of comedy is agitprop to the extent of undermining cultural norms. Its the same reason why they will not tolerate even the slightlest joke at their expense as that can only be seen as detrimental to the cause.
Note how these people never make fun of themselves. It’s always just an excuse to complain about society and call people ignorant for not conforming to their beliefs.
And everyone clapped
Why is it the people who want to escape labels, the same people who are OBSESSED with labels.
They'll label everyone else as something, but they won't do it for themselves until it's convenient
why is it the same people who want to get rid of lgbtq+ are the same people who are obsessed with lgbtq+
@@_nick.mick_ They actually label themselves too with a thousands idiocies like _"I am nonbinary, I am adhd, I am autism, I am rainbow, I am black and white, I am transracial, I am transvega, I am a burrito, I am a sagittarius, I am..."_ they never disliked being able to use labels in any way, they only despise their correct usage 'cause they have a guilty conscience.
I go to Spencer gifts often, and they've had a "pride month" section since the beginning of the year (hilariously enough it's all on clearance and nobody's buying it, it's almost like it was last year's, and probably the year before's leftovers) but they have a shirt in that section that says "f u c k labels" in rainbow, and I'm just like....?? But ya'll called us bigots for saying that and invented a million labels, genders, and pronouns for everyone and everything...most of which they can't even coherently define. The fact that there are academics that take these people seriously just blows my mind.
@bretbuckley704 I gag every time I see the pride section. Like, why is it there?? There was one shirt I saw that said "not a phase" with a moon phase design in rainbow. But the thing is.... this IS a phase for these people. They aren't doing anything but following a trend
Rejecting labels because of the "sexist norms" associated with them is sexist.
If you don't want to be called a woman because you don't want the norm of "being in the kitchen", then ultimately you believe women should be in the kitchen. Have these individuals tried rejecting the norms instead?
Thank you! I think this is my biggest issue with the concept.
EXACTLY
those people are not creative enough to think beyond the stereotypes of both genders, so they think that rejecting both and providing an awful replacement will suffice.
this is exactly how I see it. I don't really know how to put it into words, but as someone who has always had "masculine" interests as a female, I just dressed and did whatever I liked, for example, used "boy clothes", went to college for an engineering career, got a buzzcut, all without feeling the need to drop my identity as a woman. Getting a buzz cut or wearing pants doesn't make me any less of a woman, it's just something I like. IDK, I feel like I'm just rambling but I do feel like the non binary movement is having some sexist undertones and I don't like it.
That's what I thought the whole goal in the 80s and 90s were about. Now people are redefining roles to avoid them altogther? Sounds assbackwards.
“We’re talking about a twelve-year year-old here. Rose would eat ice-cream for every meal if it were up to her.” Well said.
I'm not getting the Issue at all. Its fine for kids with names to have a preference. Its been around forever. Calling William, Bill instead. Using Initials like 'J.D.' instead of their name they don't like. Shorting longer name. Or just a nickname friends and family use instead of their legal name. One of my siblings names is Lawrence but he's been called Larry for as long as I can remember. So I wonder why push back. We do it all that time.
@@ZoeyTG In elementary school, I knew a boy named A.J. His name was Andrew Jackson. But since there was another Andrew in our class, he went by A.J. However, this has nothing to do with names. The issue is allowing a child to undergo breast removal surgery or if they’re male, vaginoplasty just because he or she says they feel like the opposite sex. A reason could be a little boy likes Barbies, tutus, and the color pink. For the final gender, it’s reversed. Simply put, vaginoplasty is a type of plastic surgery that takes the penis of the patient and turns it into a vagina. The depth of the vaginal cavity depends based on how long the penis is.
@@ZoeyTG the issue is that parents are still expected to be responsable for every aspect of a 12 year old life. They are responsable for their health, mental health, fisical well being education, social education, financial standing (if a 12 year old crashes a car into your home you expect the parents to pay for the damage), sexual well being. With them have this huge responsability they have huge powers over that kid. They need that huge Power in order to mold that bundle of impulses into a coherent and productive member of society. People do not value the work of the parents when they succed, but when they fail like the incel man in the basement or the mass shotter in the school, parents are the first to be blamed.
And instead of understanding his point the teacher dared to correct him over his daughter's name which is wild to me. Think about the amount of audacity you need have in order to do that. Even though this is a show the teacher's attitude really pissed me off, especially when they started lecturing the father over this crap.
@@ZoeyTG There's a difference between using a short version of a name, and using a completely different name.
I’m sorry but a parent being corrected by a teacher that their kid changing her name to rock is just boggling
They would've had to escort me out, I would get into a screaming match with a teacher if they had the audacity to tell me who my child is.
@@poogissploogis absolutely take care of my child’s education and be a safe place that if their being bullied to come to me. I will never allow my child to experience the amount of bullying I did and teachers should care more about that then correcting parents.
The funny part is that the teacher don't "correct" the father about the fact that a 12 year old would totally eat icecream for everymeal, but how you should call your child is totally wrong lol
@@MatheusYami exactly like I’m all for allowing a kid to be a kid but a teacher doesn’t have the right to be doing this crap
I’m not a violent person and I never hit anyone in my life but if a had a child and this happened to me that lady would have received a slap I may be a woman but I would have put all my will in that slap. I don’t even care about facing law for assault after, mentally demanding and traumatizing my child that may have to go trough psychiatric therapy after that is far more aggravating.
Good thing the girl believed herself non-binary and wasn’t convinced to be trans even before starting puberty.
It’s horrifying to hear what happens in USA I hope that this madness doesn’t arrive to Europe. Social services kidnaping children to protect them from “non-supporting” parents who rightfully oppose such nonsense at such very young age.
Once the kid grows up and matures and it’s their real well thought decision then obviously I know I will support them but never when their brain didn’t even finish developing (which scientifically is demonstrated that happens at 21-22).
I don't really care how people identify because life is too short for that but I have to say I find it rather odd. I'm a man, I'm male and have reached adulthood. I was shaped by certain social and cultural factors. I don't particularly define myself by that and I have rejected many of the stereotypical aspects of masculine identity. I'm no more or less a man as a result, it's simply a facet of who I am. I think it's because we care so much about identity in terms of gender or race that it becomes so important to people.
There were and are men and women who really don't identify very strongly with their gender but who also don't see any reason to identify as anything else. I think I comes down to the fact that their idea of an identity is who you are as a person, not the boxes you check when filling out forms. How have you lived? What music do you like? What do you love? What do you believe in? What makes you get up in the morning? These things form a person's identity far more than their gender or sexuality. That's what I think anyway. It's telling that the people who not only see these as part of their identity but as their whole personality are often rather vacuous people.
I think the disconnect for you is the fact that you're not acknowledging anybody who identifies as non binary and or trans for that matter, don't disagree with your statement that who you are as a person is your own identity. You have this notion in your mind that these people just think about what kind of music they like and surround their gender identity around it, when in reality is comes to both social and psychological effects to the brain that causes people to not feel attached to a group of people like man or woman. You say you personally don't feel defined by being a man, when there's clearly a LOT of people who do, or why else would there be people who get upset at the idea of another man wearing a dress, or a woman taking the breadwinner position in a family structure, or the idea of people transitioning to another gender in the first place?
@@bobtheball5384I think they’re just saying that why must gender define them as a person. Just because they are labeled a man doesn’t mean they aren’t able to express themselves however they want. I feel like the nonbinary identity is a redundant term for men/women who are androgynous. And there’s nothing wrong with being androgynous, but that doesn’t change your sex. In my opinion, the “nonbinary” label just puts more attention on how someone identities and less on how they are as individuals. Our gender markers are rather insignificant in the big scheme of things.
I will say that the transgender experience makes more sense to me. I can understand if a person doesn’t identify with the gender they were assigned at birth. Transitioning to look/feel like the opposite sex, like it makes sense to address them as the gender that they appear. It’s much harder to assume that someone is non-binary, and using they/them pronouns can be very confusing in conversation. People just aren’t accustomed to referring to an individual person as “them.” Like can we no longer refer to them as a man or woman, “sir” or “ma’am,” etc.?
@@AJLovesMC12 You get it.
I don't care if people want to go around and call themselves whatever they want. Where I draw the line is when they demand that I call them whatever they want too, & when my children are exposed to it.
Che: I'm non binary and I don't like labels
Also Che: I was in a 8 month relationship with a STRAIGHT WHITE WOMAN.
For people not wanting to be labeled they’re pretty obsessed with labels and forcing certain language on everyone….
They are cool with neopronouns, but not with adult people's responsibilities.
I think it's so funny that being nonbinary makes you "unique" when in reality it's just wimps who are too afraid to be nontraditional while also accepting their sex. To really be brave you'd just accept you are a nontraditional/androgynous male or female. But they are so pathetic they have to claim to be nothing or its lol. Doesn't that just reinforce the idea that all men are masculine and all women are feminine?
And forcing people to live according to how they want us to. Narcissistic behaviour.
Non-binary people aren't opposed to labels, that was just incorrect.
The Che character screams overgrown child. Each time I hear a person talking about being "Non-binary", it's like listening to a clueless 12-year-old.
Yeah, it’s like a 5 year old screaming that they deserve special treatment because they’re a “magical princess”. Both are equally delusional and entitled, but one might eventually grow out of that sort of behaviour...
A very honest depiction of the majority of non-binary people screaming on tik tok
Those who constantly act like overgrown children are more than often narcissists.
I don't watch that show, but all I had to see was a picture of her with that haircut and I knew exactly what kind of person she is.
The sad part is there's people in their 30s and 40s becoming clueless about something they have known and understood their entire lives.
As a female who had feelings for a non-binary person and tried to date them (I feel silly now for even trying), I can say this is all totally correct. It hurts how much I was in Miranda’s shoes but thank god we didn’t end up together. There was no structure and I never felt completely comfortable. I often felt anxious and worried, like I was going to do something wrong. This whole “let’s just see what happens” and “just go with flow” never benefitted me and only made me even more anxious. It felt like this person always assumed the worst of me and didn’t want to be “pushed” into a relationship even though they also wanted it (I think?). I was always in the wrong. Always. I apologized for everything even though this person said I didn’t have apologize to BUT was easily offended and extremely moody. Everything I did was wrong. The pronouns were always wrong. My “assumptions” were always wrong. This person biggest fear was losing people but also kept walls up, keeping people out mentally. They also avoided as much responsibility as possible but expected me to ALWAYS be responsible. Trying to date a non-binary person was one of the most exhausting experiences of my life. I will be friends with them but I will NEVER date one!!! This video totally validated me and my experience.
It sounds to me like you're describing someone who isn't ready for platonic relationships either, let alone romantic ones. What you're describing is abusive behavior, quite frankly, and we really shouldn't put up with it from friends any more than we should from our romantic partners.
You go girl! Tell it! 🔥✊
Literal whole entire abuse!!! I am so sorry you had to go through that, you deserve love, respect, trust, and security. You should never be made to feel like you have to apologise 24/7!!!! I can’t imagine the anxiety
I wouldn't even want to be friends with one. They sound insufferable.
There is no such thing as non-binary. It's just a name for people who are never satisfied with anything, much less themselves. That should have been your warning right up front.
As someone who used to identify as non-binary for some years, you translated most of my thoughts after leaving the term behind. Just for some context, I was raised by a very feminist solo mom and a family mostly composed by women, so I was always free to do certain things that are considered "girly" by society, though I was a boy. And for me, it was always very clear that gender roles were simply social constructs which changed throughout place and time in the human history, but it was also very hard to ecplain that to others in a society so sexist and binary, so I have been extremely judged and misunderstood by people around me, outside my household. When I decided to identify publically as a non-binary person, I just tried to translate my wish for not being classified by society's ideas of gender, but it turns out things went the other way around, because it came to a point where people were creating new terms and classifications each day, such as "genderqueer", "gender-fluid", etc, which, from my point of view, contradicts the whole purpose of "being non-binary". And also, honestly, when people try to discipline you into "being more masculine/feminine", it's way easier to tell then "I'm actually non-binary" instead of debunking their ideas of gender roles, so I believe that's where a lot of non-binary folks stand by, unfortunately.
from my experience, it's easier to tell people "i just want/don't want to" and "i don't care" whenever they say something you "should" do as a man/woman, rather than explaining over and over again why are you identifying as a non-binary or what does it even mean, but that's just me.
it's more cooler to be gender-nonconforming woman and aknowledge my biology, that's the REAL freedom for me. others can f#ck off if they don't like it!
This is really insightful. I understand the appeal of nonbinarydom and why so many of my peers fall for it - it's sold as a rejection of gender roles and stereotypes, and of being labelled (though ironically it upholds the former and creates more of the latter) which is what most young ppl growing into ourselves want. I think, as you came to realise, it becomes apparent that's not what it is at all, but admitting we were wrong (esp if we've asked to be called new names/pronouns/all that crap) is very hard to do. I'm glad you're happy being you now!
I don't think it's neccesarily about admitting that you were wrong. I think for a lot of these people, they're too attached to the idea of being different, special and unique to acknowledge the blatant sexism that they're perpetuating when they buy into 'gender'. It's so cool to call yourself 'enby' and to feel a part of something. I can understand this in young people. Not so much grown adults who should know better.
@@Mel-wn9gb that's undeniably a big part of it too
Why is it unfortunate that people trying to escape the gender binary are escaping the gender binary?
Referring to "non-binary" people by they/them pronouns to please their feelings is like claiming the Earth is flat so as to not offend Flat-Earthers. They're both equally deluded.
No...nin-binary is more deluded...flat-earthers can atleast claim they haven't been to outerspace to see the globe, like any of us...but the "non-binary", they deny their eyes...NO. They want a makebelief with made up characters where normal people are NPC's and they're the center of attention...
Very good analogy - spot on. 👍
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How dare you!?
@@TheBoss0110101001 Please read using greta's puppetberg voice.
Is anyone else creeped out by that parent teacher scene where the teachers basically are like you WILL go along with your childs delusion and we will shame you if you dont
The state is saying ‘we own your children . We make the decisions of your families future’ dystopian
Yes, and it's a serious threat in real life. This stuff makes me soo angry because of how brazenly authoritarian it is, "we chose a new identity for your child without telling you and you must comply big0t or else we'll have CPS take your child away"...... Bruh, I'd be going to jail if this ever happened to my child....
I'm no American and I'm horrified by the scale of child exploitation by wokeness will come to my places.
I found the whole thing creepy. I had a hard time watching most of it, but I agreed with her conclusions. Time for some people to grow up.
Dude it made me want to throw up.
The million dollar question is: "Is there a part 2 of this video?" because you have hit the bloody nail on the head... 👍👍👍
How? This was the most flood logic I have ever heard, and I have listened to Andrew Tate.
My jaw is on the floor seeing the clips from the show… what on earth is happening in our society!!?!???!?
True
Better stop it before it's too late.
Che is a really accurate representation on these ppl. Spiteful, derisive and ungrateful.
Yeah, pretty much - here I don't see a person who is challenging societal norms, here I only see a pretentious asshole.
You forgot narcissistic
Everybody trying to be 'special' and get attention for being different and A VICTIM. I am positive I would have thought I was trans if I was a teenager now. Not because I wasn't a girl, I've always been a tomboy, but because of MISOGYNY. Because I don't identify with the role and disrespect that other people connect with the role of woman. I don't subscribe to the implied self-sacrifice I should endlessly demonstrate to give energy, time and services to men and transwomen.
Seriously, telling us to sit this one down because they're more oppressed than all the victims of DV, SA or misogyny is misogyny in itself. Acting like their kind of woman is more important than women who were born into the role.
And for the record, gender differences are real. Certainly not for 100% of the population but damn near 95%.
You mean narcissism dialed up to 11? There's only one person in their life who counts and the rest don't matter and can be insulted and humiliated at will. But if someone dares to insult them, the world is too small.
My grandmother always said that you should learn from past experiences, in the sense of not doing to others what has been done to you, because that shows you're the better person. These people are the exact opposite: everything that they have gone through, even if it's only perceived, MUST be done double or quadruple to others when they have the power to do it.
And nobody wants them to be "alone and sad" we just want them to stop talking about themselves non-stop.
We had two they/thems at my last job. It was funny to hear them accidentally mislabel each other. They claim to be this and they can’t even keep it straight themselves.
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Two emo girls
I love that. It’s so hard to keep it all straight, especially for them.
Hahaha!
Ha, we had one non binary and they used xir or xur or ... something. And yeah nobody could keep that one up. So they later dropped it down to "Just say my name"
I used to call myself non-binary at around 13-16 (only online, never talked about it IRL). But that's how I thought of myself. For reference I'm a girl and I was born as one.
I think the reason I didn't want to be a girl, or especially not a woman, is because I didn't want to be like any of the girls or women I had seen in my life.
Pretty much the only people who I looked up to were men. But I didn't want to be a man either.
I didn't want to grow up, I didn't want to become a woman like my mom who is a housewife or any other woman I knew or saw even in movies.
I think the lie that non-binary sells is that you can become different than the rest of the people with your gender simply by rejecting it.
I disliked a lot of women and it's likely because they often don't work as hard - because they're not held to the same standards as men.
The solution was to hold myself to those standards despite being a woman. To improve myself, not to try to run from reality.
A woman is simply the physical fact of what I am biologically, it's not an identity and it doesn't determine my personality and my values.
I'm in college working toward a good stable career, I learned a language, and I'm trying to get more into art. I'm trying to be a respectable person.
That's what matters most to me. That's what this was always about.
I wanted to run from womanhood because I hated what I saw. But I can hold myself to different standards.
And part of the standards I want to hold myself to are being something reliable for other people. And part of that is having values and sticking to something normal and understandable.
The fact is, the "manliest" or most respectable thing I can do is embrace being a woman. Not as an "identity" but as a fact of the way I physically am, and the way other people see me.
I'm a lot happier with myself now.
I'm on the same page with the world and working with what it is, rather than wanting it to change for me.
No different than any other woman.
"I'm in college working toward a good stable career, I learned a language, and I'm trying to get more into art" - so, a future McDonald's employee then.
@@user-yc5um2pl5v ???? Art as a hobby. Not a career.
Beautiful!
A major issue for me is that the studies being done have shown if you allow the kids who are questioning their gender tend to grow out of it and the men tend to grow up to be gay men. Frankly it's also to a point where the trans community is bullying the gay community for gay men and gay women having sexual and genital preferences. I can, have, and will accept trans people and use the way they wish to be addressed however they need to stop bullying the "cis" people for being the way they are.
which studies? please link
bullying cis lol
@@finderskeepers8You can find collations of these studies at the Society for Evidence-based Gender Medicine, at Active Watchful Waiting Australasia, at Aries-Davies' Transgender Trend UK, and at many other places. If you need someone else to do all your research for you, I can bring up the exact studies, but in my experience, the moment the evidence is presented, trans rights extremists just ignore it.
@@GabCoelhoMusicwhy is that amusing?
Yes because the cis are oh-so-oppressed. You'll live, whiny.
Just as a side note: any comedy routine where the audience claps and whoops is NOT a comedy show, it's a political rally.
It’s a glorified TED talk
In real life, a niche comedian like Che wouldn't be able to gain this much following. Am I supposed to believe that regular looking, accomplished women are suddenly crazy about shitty non-binary jokes?
@@HumanLandslide maybe in San Francisco
@@HumanLandslide As someone who's done standup I agree with you mostly, but then again I'm absolutely baffled as to why Hanna Gadsby has gotten so big.
@@jkcrawl From my understanding, her content is mostly about lesbians, which makes for a wider audience than non-binary content would. Or maybe I'm wrong? I cannot stomach that woman.
Man, that Jamie Lee Curtis interview boiled my blood. "Oh, you're happy as a cis-gendered individual? Not you're not!" The irony is how judgmental he was while complaining about other people judging him.
Confession through projection is what it is. Gaslight others that which you are experiencing
Agreed. The person never answered the question, instead turned it into a personal attack. Years ago, LGBT folk would have answered the question with 'I risk my life because I believe this is the right thing to do'. Such an answer would have earned my respect. Instead, people like this avoid answering by attacking those who question. Part of their response on being unhappy, taken on it's own had a grain of truth wtih those who are in abusive reliationships, but they wrapped in up in irrelevant assumptions on depression and hate.
he is lying to himself. not accepting responsibility, living life to the best narcissitic mirror is the fastest way to depression and loneliness. MOst of them try to disguise thie souless existence with sex, drugs and alcohol.
Exactly!! Maybe it makes him or them or whatever happy but don't say you know what anyone else is thinking or feeling. It's pretentious and absolutely obnoxious
It's pretty well known that when a girl piles on loads of makeup, she's covering an insecurity (physical or emotional). This dude is so insecure and bitter, and is surprised when people call him crazy? Dude, you're effing deranged!
How to spot a person to avoid: I'm non binary
Also, the role of wife as you say in the video, did not change by people who played nice and followed the rules. It changed by people who were willing to live unsafe and push the boundaries, something that was much appreciated by people who were not so brave.
Yo, a 12 year old can't vote, drink or drive but they can determine what gender they want to be?😂😂😂
Or that they're not a gender at all, like that's actually possible.
This show looks disgusting.
@@oliveragag8576it really went off a cliff when they made those movies . All garbage, the TV show was enjoyable.
This is the nonsense they want us to Kumbaya with, like let them make it make sense
Even above 12 you can’t determine your gender, that’s not something you can choose or change, ever.
That teacher that says: "In matters such a this, we take our cues from the children"... TO SAY THAT TO PARENTS. To act like the parent HAS to fall in line with the whole non binary delusion even when it goes against their own moral beliefs is so disturbing. And to have that in a tv show that loads of parents will be watching and influencing them??? fuck this man. This is nightmare fuel.
That adults and parents are influenced by this show is pathetic
I totally agree with you and I just wanted to let you know that in this instance, it's "cues" not "queues"
@@NadiaSeesItNadia = observant. 👍
Plus putting it in a way where the parents are very weak and seem like they feel ashamed or embarrassed bc "not accepting" this
Or worse, the other teacher, who felt entitled to correct the child's own father on her name. My husband would have had to haul me out of there after I pulled that broad's face off. I NAMED that child, you don't get to talk to me like I'm one of your misguided students.
The act of not conforming to any group while conforming to a group will never cease to be funny. It was goths when I was a kid and my dad had hippies.
"I have ascended your ones and zeros. I have become something... more.
Transcended.
@@CasaNostra-ir8bj thank you for this. You don't know how many times I've said out loud, "I have ascended"
Baggage Claim, "And in this way, being non-binary serves as a mechanism to avoid taking responsibility, avoid consequences, and most importantly, avoid growing up."
Truer words have never been spoken. Spot on.💯
God the narcissism of the non binary person in the show
“Non binary” is just a way for telling others that they’re narcissists without actually using the word narcissist.
I don’t watch Tv anymore, barely did before.
Nor have I ever liked these kinds of shows, however these brief clips just makes me realize “No wonder people are getting so neurotic”
For real, I would never ever be around a person like that. LGBT people seem to be more and more like that
fortunately, it's _completely_ different in real life.
I just finished the video and holy balls. Imagine getting involved with someone like that.
non-binary identities don't nessicarily "destroy" social roles.
a parent is a parent. they role is to love, teach, and protect the children they raise, it shouldn't matter the gender.
the way you treat a romantic partner or expect to be treated by one shouldn't be determined by your reproductive organs and gender identity, but by what works for you and your partner in a healthy relationship.
how much you love your child or how well you care for or support them should not very based on their gender either.
and non-binary identities are not even a new concept. many cultures around the world have had concepts around tertiary gender identities of varying kinds that played different social roles through out history.
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che is a bad representation of nonbinary folk. what they are, is a representation of a toxic and selfish person looking for anyway to portray themselves as the the main character in their own mind and the victim or matyr when things in their life don't go the way they want.
and there are just as many cis and trans folk who can act the same way. that behaviour isn't an inherent part of a specific gender identity (non-binary actually being an umbrella term for any identity that is specifically man or woman which a fairly large spectrum including gender fluid, agender, and 2 spirited). that sort of toxic behaviour really is just an individual's personality.
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this seemed like an interesting video essay at first but became fairly clear that it was more of a character break down that focused on the wrong aspect of a character from a show that is honestly pretty satirical and far from realistic or relatable and then cherry picked a irl examples to back up the misguided conclusion.
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non-binary identities aren't about finding a way to scream for attention or having an excuse to get the "moral high ground" when misgendered, they're about having a way of trying to put a name to how you feel inside for a sense of clarity within yourself. isn't (or at least shouldn't be) about a performance put on for others but just honesty with your self.
for example: someone who is gender fluid will identify as a man some days and a woman other days and will flip flop back and forth. that isn't someone who is trans or confused. gender fluidity is simply have a far more fluid and flexible sense of their own gender identity, but that doesn't mean that person will have multiple personalities, be unfaithful to their partner, or explode at strangers for using the wrong pronoun, it just means their sense of comfort within their own sense of self will change from time to time.
a 2 spirited person (which is a very very old for of tertiary gender identity for many north american indigenous groups) is someone with a single identity who has both both binary gender identities (man and woman) at the same time but not mixed together. 2 spirited people have served as important spiritual guides and community pillars for their people for a centuries.
agender people feel no connection to the man or woman gender identities and essential have no gender identity. there are also gender identities like the one you mention where people feel like an even mix of both, right in the middle, and non-binary identities where people feel like they are a third gender entirely without feminine or masculine aspects.
all of these examples fall under the non-binary umbrella.
non-binary identities may affect what clothes or fashions someone feels comfortable or good in, what pro-nouns they feel more comfortable being addressed by, and how they relate to others emotionally.
but non-binary identities will NOT affect someone's morals or social behaviours in the way this video suggests. what will affect that is whether someone is just a genuinely shitty person by nature or if a person has had some sort of major trauma that's resulted in mental illness and that person chooses to lash out at others instead of seeking proper professional aid in treating their trauma.
If you want to know what being non binary is about. Ask a non binary person.
They’re so “individualized” that they’ve managed to create an entirely new stereotype. Congrats on them. 💀🎉
An individual accepts their biological sex regardless if they are androgynous or not. The fact there areadults who are self proclaimed nonbinary is beyond pathetic.
It’s just narcissism. The majority of them have other personality disorders.
It will be interesting to see how we look back on this time.
@@chedderburg _It will be interesting to see how we look back on this time._
We already know. Look up history of Roman Empire decline. Perversions, decadence, incompetence, corruption, extreme ignorance and stupidity, etc.
What those people push as evolution and progress is better known as regression and perversion. We are living in post-reason society. When people are afraid to point out clearly absurd claims, over fear of being punished and ostracized.
No wonder the human civilization is going down the drain like diarrhea!🤔#NothingElseMattersAnymore😏
@@chedderburg you believe things will return to normal???? Lol
Weaponized victimhood.
Precisely.
What does weapon weaponized victimhood mean? Is this a psychological term that's been studied?
@@pamelaiken Basically it means making other people believe that you're a victim of others' cruelty, often dishonestly, for the purpose of taking advantage of the sympathy they feel for you as a perceived victim so as to make them behave exceedingly positive to you and behave exceedingly negatively to the perceived perpetrator.
- Hijra people are a legally recognized third gender in Nepal, Pakistan, India and Bangladesh. In India Hijra is an option available to list on legal documents like drivers licenses and passports.
- Calalai, Calabai, and Bissu are three separate nonbinary genders recognized by Bugis ethnic group of South Sulawesi, Indonesia.
- Muxe in Zapotec cultures in Southern Mexico are considered a third gender
- baklâ in the Philippines is a person who was assigned male at birth and has adopted a gender expression that is feminine. They are often considered a third gender
- Two-spirit is an umbrella term used by some Indigenous North Americans to describe Native people who fulfill a traditional third-gender social role in their communities.
- Fiji has a traditional third-gender population known as vaka sa lewa lewa
Every language and culture has a different word for a third gender, and different roles attached to their words. But identities outside of “male is Man” and “female is Woman” exist globally, and have existed since there have been people. And they will continue to exist for as long as there are people.
The word “nonbinary” is new, but existence of people who identify with a gender beyond the binary are not. Language changes, roles change, and identity changes. We can either rise to meet these changes or feel threatened by the existence of a different kind of human.
All nonbinary people can’t be represented by two poorly written characters on a cash grab nostalgia reboot of an old TV show. Those characters are not real. Historical precedent for the global existence of nonbinary people is.
Gender nonconforming people exist. They have existed. And they will continue to. No mater what words we use to describe them.
None of these things in any way resemble what white kids from rich countries are calling non-binary today. Stop imposing your choices on other cultures in an attempt to legitimise them. It's just more colonialism.
This is a misrepresentation of other cultures and the contexts in which they allow or tolerate 'third genders' - which are often based in the same sexism, misogyny and homophobia that the west bases 'binary' and 'nonbinary' in. There's a reason almost all alleged 'third genders' in other cultures are male, not female. You also miss the obvious point that the very fact that 'gender' is a social construct - a social, cultural or spiritual belief or practice, not a fact - is precisely why we should not define girls, women, boys and men in terms of it.
We've gotten rid of labels and rituals which guide us through life only to end up in a perpetual limbo. No wonder everybody needs a psychiatrist.
Che sounds so so petty and angry with everyone. Like, she identifies as a bad person with the whole "I don't want to explain myself" how do you expect other people to understand you?
I think the movie summarizes the issues we're facing.
That last scene shown were is shows its all about her and why can't everyone else understand who "they" are. Because she has no idea who she is so news flash everyone else is confused and endlessly frustrated too. Pure narcissism. No ability for self reflection.
The point is that we shouldn't need to "understand them". They just need to shut the hell up and live their lives and leave everyone else alone.
She's mad people don't find her that funny and her shtick isn't enough.
@@theindiefilmdudeBut isn't the insistence to shut the hell up and stop trying to understand each other just another way of dissociating people from one another, to simply take everything in uncritically at face value and ensure no one ever tries to compromise or socially mesh with each other, lest they accidentally step on one another's feelings?
On one hand, I get the idea of minding your own business, and at the same time, this new paradigm of people claiming unconventional gender identities and sexualities do everything but mind their own business, they shout it via megaphones/social media into every movie/show, university, HR department, and government office demanding to be seen, acknowledged, adapted to, and even celebrated. The new identities wriggled into modernity by relentlessly questioning and dissecting "normativity", but cannot abide being questioned/dissected themselves.
I dont know, it seems like a unrealistic double-standard to demand the world, the whole world (from the individuals all the way up to the institutions) see and accept those of queer identities without a peep, while simultaneously wanting to be left alone. I think that might be why some of the commenters use the descriptor 'narcissistic'.
Alright, now I guess you can yell at me and tell me how I'm an ignorant bigot who also just needs to shut up.
The whole non binary thing is BS! It's all based on gendered stereotypes! I was a total tomboy growing up. I hated anything stereotypically "girly", I still knew I was a girl though. I had loads of Tom boy role models that I admired like George from the famous five etc (I liked old books). A girl can be masculine and reject stereotypes and still be a beautiful girl. A boy can be feminine and reject stereotypes and still be a beautiful boy. By being "non binary " oeople think they are getting away from labels but they are actually buying into them more than the last 2 generations did.
Perfectly said! So delusional
Yeah, when there is a trans-woman, they say they saw this thing of their past, which is a gender stereotype. Many trans-women are caricatures of women.
The hyperfocus on stereotypes is what's funny to me. On the one hand you've got people saying that they don't want to have to conform to restrictive gender stereotypes (fair enough, everyone should be able to do the activities they enjoy and express themselves as they see fit), yet on the other hand they're saying 'I don't fall within a certain value of these restrictive stereotypes therefore I'm something other'.
Right! As a writer, it's so irritating to see where western culture is headed. I'm working on a fantasy novel about a woman who pretends to be a man to lead a group of male thieves (let me not get too deep into the plot but she sees the physical benefits of having men around etc. But a feminine girl joins the group and her perspective is challenged. Narrative: Female friendships are important). The point of it's to make young girls not only see that their is strength in femininity, but that we aren't archetypes. We can love climbing trees and wear make up!
I spent a good month working on it, then lost hope when i realised EXACTLY what you just said. I saw an old anime being explained about a female character who pretends to be a boy in a high-school for boys (or something like that). And though she behaves both feminine and masculine, she seems to identify as a girl. YET the person analysing the anime chose to call her by they/them pronouns, prompting the majority comments to congratulate him for his choice to validate them "as a non-binary person."
They're now categorising us further, and women have already struggled to accept our femininity in childhood because of over-sexualization. What exactly does it even mean to be a woman or a man if it's reduced to archetypes and presentation? Individuality will be lost the more categories we create. How ironic.
As someone who grew up as a tomboy, I agree. I don't know how we went from gender shouldn't be a stereotype to gender is a stereotype. Not once have I ever questioned myself if I want to be a boy. I grew up playing video games and prefer to hang out with boys. This isn't just non binary, but people assume you must be a different gender if you have interests in things that are for the opposite sex and must be transgender
The vast majority of people I know that are non binary didn't choose that path because of 'labels'. The best way I could describe the situation is someone that is trans (not comfortable with their sex or assigned gender based on their sex) but also not at all comfortable with transitioning and identifying as the opposite sex. They are stuck not feeling great about either. These are people that I know that are grown adults. I have never had someone mad at me for using incorrect pronouns. Sometimes, they don't even correct me and I wish they would as I want to get it right. My 37 years on this earth 1 thing is for sure... brains are wild things. They can cause you to feel 0 empathy, they can make you see things that aren't there, they can make your body move or say things unintentionally, they can cause you to feel perpetual sorrow, and even make you think you are an unlimited amount of different types of people. We have so many variations of people yet we are so obsessed with this. Why do we care so much about this? People have so many opinions on people they have never met and have only seen some dramatized version of them. They, like everyone else are individuals. Some people being crappy while others not. Some being overly emotional (I can't handle all that) while others not. Gender is a social construct like everything else in life. Just as a reminder I am speaking specifically about gender (not sex). This video covers the benefits of non binary in conversation but then completely ignores the overwhelming negative side of it that outweighs anything positive. It is not yet really socially accepted to proclaim you are non-binary. I can not fully understand it because I am not them. I look at the value these people bring to my life and the world and I measure them by that. I could care less about what a person wants me to call them. Same way I feel about religious people. I can not and will never understand how a grown adult can still support religion, but I do not have to be a rude person to someone just because they believe what they believe and I don't understand it. To each their own. Hopefully, eventually more people will come around.
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I think people only see these labels as problematic because the labels trans and non-binary are getting hijacked by a lot of attention seekers and that they've become somewhat of a trend on social media (which is highly problematic, especially for teenagers). I feel like this video essay is not about the kind of non-binary people that you are talking about i.e. people who actually find it difficult to identify with either one of the two genders because they may be trans or intersex, but rather about the people who identify as non-binary because they reject all labels. I think that these are two very distinct groups. To me it's sad to see what is happening; raising awareness for trans and intersex people is so important but this important public discourse gets completely distorted by the absolute insanity which is social media. It's kinda similar to what happened to the body positivity movement which started out as a good thing until it was warped into this toxic idea of health at every size.
@@ASAMB12 Understandable, but that kind of nuanced distinction is only really able to be made by people who know what they're talking about. I agree this video essay could have some merit, but the fact that the essayist didn't explicitly spell that out means that a lot of people watching this will come away with a false understanding, and simply see it as reasons to discredit all nonbinary identities. Sometimes I absolutely despise social media.
the non-binary thing became modern religion now for many, and i, too, don't support religions. if you are no more identifying as a non-binary, they will curse you as if you betrayed their entire family, because their identity is formed as the opposite or even hatred of everything "cis" and "basic" and "boring". seems a bit cultich, duh?
The thing is, this phenomenon has happened before many times in history of people not wanting to accept responsibility given to us by our biology and it has always ended badly for the society and the individual. You think you are being a good friend to these people by using their preferred pronouns and what not but you are only enabling their self destructive behavior. Obviously, I am not saying that we should be forcing people to be normal. However, we should be warning them about where the road ends and encourage them to live a more fulfilling life.
I can’t speak for all non-binary people. I can only speak for myself. I don’t describe myself as non-binary because I want to escape labels. I just don’t feel comfortable using the labels “man” or “woman” to describe myself. As a kid growing up I certainly wasn’t aware of gender theory and trans/non-binary was certainly not a part of the discourse back then. However, I still didn’t feel comfortable calling myself a girl or a boy. And believe me, a lot of kids at school would ask me which one I was and I never knew how to answer. Finding the term “non-binary” in my early adulthood was a godsend because I finally had a label I felt accurately described me. This video assumes a lot about a whole population of people.
what do you assume about the terms "boy" and "girl" that make you uncertain about which one you are?
@@keilahpaul667 I’m not uncertain, I’m very much certain I’m not a man or a woman. They don’t feel right. They make me uncomfortable. I’m neither of those things. I feel very comfortable describing myself as non binary because that’s what I am.
The whole "pronoun" thing is not about respect, but about validation.
If you ware confused about who and what you are, then go figure it out and good luck to you. Just don't make the whole of society walk on egg shells around you until you're done.
Well said my friend😀👍🌞
i disagree, there might be a bit of validation desired in there, but many (most?) of these people will be borderline pd or narcissistic pd. their goal is control.
It's not about validation, it's about control. These people are a totalitarian cult, it's 100% compliance or off to the gulags you go.....people in the UK are being arrested over this....
It's about both respect and validation to a humans existence
And don't get mad when they don't agree with what you're claiming to be. A preference isn't something that HAS to be followed. Those are requirements.
“Selfishness is not living as one wishes to live. It is asking other people to live as one wishes to live.”
― Oscar Wilde, The Soul of Man Under Socialism
So when others insist that non-binary people must be men or women because they see themselves as such, they are being selfish. They are demanding that we live as they wish to live, within a social gender binary.
This, 100%.
That's not a good comparison.
If you are more committed to your own ideas of a person than to the real person in front of you then that is your damage.
If you call a Sikh man a muslim, or call someone by the wrong name they're not being rude by correcting you, you're being obstinate if you refuse to acknowledge it.
I like how the dad says “she would eat ice cream every day if she was allowed to” and that argument is just completely ignored when it is in fact a valid argument. Kids need guidance. We all had some stupid ideas and those of us with good parents were told how stupid they were albeit in a nice way.
I absolutely hate when people put labels on themselves, just to get attention from people
>As a TEACHER...
>As a VETERAN...
>As a MAN...
>As a NON-BINARY PERSON...
>As someone who can afford Prada...
it's okay to use labels to understand yourself better, but making it others problem when they don't recognize your label is so fucking tiresome
and it pisses me off especially with NB people, who, in essence, want to escape the gender realm of roles in society. They want to do what they feel, act how they feel, and not be looked at weirdly, because they don't act as the sex they were born to
what Che was doing, was just making up these Peter Pan space for herself, where they could be like Peter Pan, free of all worry of regular, cis people
but it really doesn't make sense with the philosophy of abandoning the gender spectrum. I think that being NB is one of the most freeing experiences. Because one can be just a human! Boys who are nail techs, and wear crop tops. Girls who are engineers, and play competitive CoD. Like, none of these make sense to be limited to one gender! Just fuck what people say, and do what gives you joy
and honestly, fuck pronouns. He/She/They/It, it doesn't matter. Tell me your god damn name, and let's make ye' old folk contract. Like, in the Rose/Rock plot. If the child wants to be called Rock, whatever. He's a child, and their mother's daughter. The human connection is what matters, and building walls, made off "this is offensive to me" is just tired
find a common point of connection, stop being a bitch about stuff, society made up, and be happy
"She's 12, she'd have ice cream for breakfast everyday if she could" that basically sums it up.
Age means NOTHING. At 12, I wasn't questioning whether I was straight and I had no use for "permission" for what kind of music to like or what shows to watch. I was paying for PG-tickets to see R-movies without a parent. I also KNEW ice cream is not a meal...I STILL knew ice cream wasn't a meal at 16 when I decided marijuana-prohibition laws didn't mean anything more than that I had to do it behind the back of those who claim "authority". A 12-year-old IS his/her/their own arbiter regardless of WHO dares "not approve".
"Age means nothing" doesn't mean much when followed by a singular anecdote.@@troyevitt2437
@@troyevitt2437 You're 100% right, 8 year olds should be able to drive cars and drink alcohol because it's THEIR CHOICE.
In the end it just boils down to what media you consume and what's "cool" atm.
So essencially this kids turn something normal as "Gender expression" and give it fancy names to stand out.
Like back in the day if a girl wore more boyish stuff and had non typical interests you'd still know its just a girl/woman with non typical style and inzerests.
By turning it into a identity you created a big house of glas that shatters the second someone doesn't tespond to it how you want.
@@SloppyPowerFart5000 It's not what it says on paper, M'Lord, it's what you can prove. By the time I turned 21, I'd had my share of hangovers and had been playing in bands in 21+ Only music venues since 16.
At 55, I still phone in my weed orders though my state is a damn sight from legalizing recreational M/J.
Rules and laws need more than mere existence to impress me. An illegal act on my part must twinge my conscience to be wrong otherwise, I have merely disregarded the preference of somebody who means nothing to me.
Absolutely fascinating how in trying to portray them “accurately” we are simply shown how utterly self centered these people are. Their lives revolve around their identity and, thus, themselves.
Yes, the rest of us just exist
its not that deep bro. its feeling comfy as yourself, if ur nonbinary u woukd get it
In my experience, people who claim to be nonbinary are some of the most easily offended, egocentric individuals I have met. They strike me as people who really need some long term therapy... at the very least to knock the chip off their shoulder and make them less combative/confrontational in the workplace. .. maybe help them with their delusions too.
@@user-mc1vw1jk6q No, they're right. A man can already express himself how he wants to, as can a woman. Nonbinary just reinforces the gender binary and gender stereotypes by claiming certain behaviors, clothing, mannerisms, etc. are for men and others are for women.
@@CtDDtC1919 not be willing to conform with anything is the definition of antisocial. We live in societies, we need to conform in many ways to build our identities. It’s how it works.
In all seriousness, when I see interviews by those how identify as non binary I always here “ I never thought like a man or a woman” to which I would like to ask “what do you believe a normal thinking man or woman think like?”. The statements they say in interviews are always very vague and non specific, but also never really challenged. And when I say “challenged” I don’t mean to belittle, attack or go on defense, but rather to help explain their position in a way that isn’t ambiguous. Also to be so consumed with gender ideology and social politics, you loose so much growth within yourself. How can you discover who you are, when you’re so consumed with going against societal norms, just cause. Being against something or a label without ever really understanding it or trying to is beyond foolish.
How do you know your gender? And I don't mean "I have a vulva/penis therefor I am a woman/man". What inner observations/characteristics make you identifiy with the gender that you are?
I've always found the non-binary label strange. As a woman people have said about me that I sometimes act like half a dude. I'm never insulted by it, and even a little proud. In some correspondence I get adressed with Mr. by accident, but I don't care. If you call me mr. or ms. it's all fluff , it''s just language and so are pronouns. Why care about it in the first place?
Can't we just be people who just happen to have male or female parts, or maybe even both.
Just have your personality and identity. Why does it need al these labels?
Labels are part of life. You don't get to disregard labels you don't understand or identify with. I really just don't see the problem here.
Yes, people make labels. I don't have a problem, I just find most of the new extra labels redundant. what I'm trying to say is that people care too much about these labels and other people recognizing specific labels, getting instulted by being called the wrong "label" . It's all just sad ...really. I generally let people assume whatever they want.
Also anyone can disregard anyones opinion (that's whats great about opinions) if they want to. Not that you always should, but you do get to do that if you want. It will have consequences, but that's a choice.
@@Scarletcroft Labels for gender non-conformity such as “two spirit” were used amongst many ancient cultures. This is not new.
As a Gen Xer.. they ruined Sex and the City with these dumb woke storylines.
As a millennial, I agree. It’s not SATC as far as I’m concerned.
To you as a Gen Xer, it began with y'all in the 60's with the sexual revolution...y'all wanted sexual liberation from the traditional way where sex was for man and woman in marriage...so from fee uninhibited unrestricted "love," then the gays wanted theirs, and now we have this BS...it didn't start in the 60's, that's just when it culminated and exploded. What we have today is a consequence of tearing down the boundaries of tradition and when the borders are down the barbarians have free reign.
In their defense, sex and the city was never good.
@@Mionwang Seriously the fact that people are defending 'SEX AND THE CITY' of all things tells you that this isn't rooted in anything other than bigotry, leaping to the defence of something terrible to protect it from something else that they don't like.
Millennial here and agree 100%. It was like a box ticking exercise.
4:17 "I'm only 13 can't I just be me"
Proceeds to try and make life altering decisions the adults must go along with otherwise they're bigots
Yep, you're thirteen, learn to be responsible, sheta brat like all the kids the characters had 😂
Funny thing is that human brain is fully developed when human is 25 years old 🧠
They want them to support them, not go along with anything. There’s a difference. And you sound like a bigot just by saying this comment
@@YeezusMinem oh no, I was called a BIGOT. You sure got me there. Quick. Call me a racist or a Nazi. That'll really show me.
I think she just doesn’t want to be like her mom. Charlotte is high maintenance, and Rose sees that as her future and she doesn’t want it. She’s a tomboy resisting feminity and it’s clear the show is just dealing with teen angst and this is how she’s expressing hers. I think they are “exposing” NB identity. I would not be surprised if next season it’s resolved and they get into the mental health side of it.
I really think the show is not pro NB. I think it is prepping an audience for discarding the identities by showing an adult that’s been in it and feels like an imposter (Che) and a young girl flirting with the idea(rose) with both of them finding acceptance next season. If you watch the show it’s very obvious it’s not pro NB.
People who reject labels seem to generally be overly concerned with labels, have a propensity for labeling, focused on ostentatious behavior and appearances, and sometimes (but not always) seem more insecure than the average person who really is just living their life without focusing on such things at all. I can be labeled as a multitude of things every day but I really don't think about it, my interest, intentions, and aspirations are what's on my mind and those largely don't change if anything superficial about me does or how I'm perceived, I simply rather don't need the attention or have anything to prove to others
The price of freedom is responsibility, the ones whom are free with their agency are those whom are the most responsible. Wisdom teaches that societies must have that which is forbidden for them.
If you want to pretend to be someone you're not, that's up to you.
If you want me to play along in that pretend game, that's up to me.
Fr😭 why are they also so offended for everything I literally can’t say anything about non binary people or I’ll get hate
@@Zarii321 because they're narcissists with the need to control what you say and how you treat them
ok middle aged white facebook mom with a karen haircut
and i wont play
@user-mc1vw1jk6q you’re calling out her normalness? Was that supposed to be an insult?
"How toxic can a person be?"
Che:"Yes"
💯
I would like to thank you because someone finally speaks what I am thinking about social rules being there for a reason
I at 62 find this all so entertaining. That we would spend any time in discussion is absurd. We can't just accept each other as people? I am so, so glad to see young people becoming more freed! My daugther and I are both Bi- and I NEVER said it or acted upon etc. She HAS and she has had relationsips with both menand women and I am so glad she can enjoy all possible relationships. It is SO hard to find connection at all, that we should charish it whatever the form in which it comes into our lives! I wish I was born a bit later....IO missed out on so much.
the way the teacher put "rocks" FATHER in his place - by overruling what he wanted over his 12 year old girl. is just something that HURT to see. because it is happening in real life. kids get to say things in school and the teacher approves and FORCE the parent without their consent to do what their child says. it is disgusting
What’s even sicker is that actually happens in real life too.
yes, that's what i said.. ;/ yikes@@khfan4life365
If you are ever in that position, don’t argue with the school. Just tell them you want your kid and all there stuff they have in the school in front of you in the next 15 minutes and then leave. There are other schools. There is home school. Heck, you can always move if it means doing what’s best for your kid. Don’t play the game where some other adult who isn’t responsible now for your child’s whole life decides you are going to be left out of the decision making process.
The writers just unintentionally show how schools and teachers brainwash children into feeling confused and miserable. If those teachers were supposed to be portrayed in a positive way, they seriously missed the mark.
They even push kids in that direction. It's sickening.
people who know they're not interesting or special seek ways to make themselves feel special by resorting to things like identifying themselves as they/them. all of a sudden they're special in the eyes of the internet.
EXACTLY!!!
But ONLY for as long as they foster the interest of the internet. Then the bloom falls off the rose as the netizens tire of their antics, move on with their lives, etc... and suddenly they're even more depressed because they've become addicted to the adulation of a nameless crowd. I may not be exciting or special, but there's at least a few people in this world who love me for who I am. And I'm content with that and don't need random internet people to prop up my identity.
@@phydeux Ah yes. The old 'you'll grow out of it, you're just confused, it's only a phase' argument. Because that worked so well with the gay community.
@@twofacetoo75 See my statement about 0.018% vs 10% = mass persuasion of immature minds. Whatever their age. I have yet to hear of one member of the gay community state they are in fact a different biological sex than what they were born as. Sexual preference yes - different actual sex? Feck no.
Where they want to put their d!ck put or where they want one (real or fake) put is not the same as gender = the genitalia you were born with.
Being non-binary or gay are both mental abortions. Being able to "grow out of it" is immaterial.
@@twofacetoo75 bc homosexuality is a thing, being non binary is not.
Being gay means I like the same gender as myself, non binary is "I don't FEEL like either or so therefore I'm something different" but you are not. You are either a man or a woman (unless born with a rare generic intersex defect where you still lean toward one or the other)
There can be effeminate men and masculine women but they are still either a man or woman regardless. There is no such thing as a nonbinary person bc nonbinary humans don't exist, and the "mindset" of "I don't identify as either" is in fact just a mental lapse
3:33 Actually, this is a very illustrative scene. Some people are afraid that young people are too young to choose their gender, but at the same time they think that they're old enough to choose their religion, or better said, the religion that their parents imposed on them.
Yes, they're too young to choose either belief system.
I think it's worth talking directly to non-binary people about their experience. Part of this video debates whether it is better to remain uncertain and able to explore potential vs. being certain and able to build around that certainty. The core issue for non-binary people is that they cannot comfortably conform to the identity of "woman" or "man".
It took me a while to understand that this is different from the usual issue of cis men and women struggling with gender conformity - "am I feminine enough, am I masculine enough?" You can have that struggle and still at core think that "she" or "he" fits you, so it makes sense to build on that certainty. Non-binary people on the other hand might feel that "he" and "she" don't relate to them at all, so there's no certainty to build on.
My point is that just because some people don't find that the binary fits, doesn't mean that all people have to be in a state of flux. The fact that someone is non-binary doesn't require anyone else to change their identity. So I'd suggest that it makes sense to be live-and-let-live, a la "Some people are gay, get over it".
Che is a specific case where there's a lot more going on than just non-binary identity. They're a minor celebrity, and celebrity brings with it issues of lack of privacy, and neglect of the people close to you in favour of your audience. They might use fluidity and radical acceptance of who they are as an excuse for hurting people, while another person might use their commitment to their art as an excuse.
I think it's a mischaracterisation to suggest that people would be non-binary because they can attract more attention that way, or so that they can avoid responsibility because they can't be held to any norms of behaviour. There are non-binary people like that, but there are people of every variety who are like that.
If you shone a spotlight on anyone you'd see the ways that they dodge responsibility or play up for attention. Especially on social media - e.g. clips of Karens, nice-guys and entitled parents.
I don't understand how he, she or they "fits" a person outside of looks and what we've known for years. My pronouns are she/her because I'm a girl, it's been used my whole life and it's just English. If someone were to use he/him pronouns on me, it wouldn't really matter. It wouldn't change who I am, it would just be how I was called. It's like a name. If someone used the wrong name on me, it would confuse me and others since it's not the name I use but it wouldn't change the goal of the person calling or trying to get my attention. I would know it's wrong only because it's not what I'm used to. So I don't understand why pronouns matter. They're just words. I don't know how a person could feel like a she/her, he/him or they/them. In the case of trans people, I understand changing pronouns to whatever gender you transitioned to because based on your outer appearance, you would fit one group. But even if a transwoman was called by he/him pronouns, it wouldn't change who they are. But even in that case, I don't understand transitioning since why can't you be a man who looks like a woman? Why do men and women need to have different looks? I hope this makes sense but I'm just confused. If you looked neither like a boy nor a girl, most likely people would use they/them pronouns but even if they did, it wouldn't change anything except what you're called by. I know this is a lot but I'd appreciate it if you could answer some things.
@@wheatbread1606 agree with you, that's exactly what my thoughts have been the past weeks. what makes a woman a woman? her looks and her pronouns? her role? how do you feel like a woman if you're not one and you don't know how it feels?
@@deligeorgieva8535 Yeah it’s really hard for me to understand. I want people to be happy and living their best life but I also want to know why I believe in something.
@@wheatbread1606 exactly.
@@wheatbread1606 I can explain trans people some what, as a trans man myself. I have gender dysphoria which makes it so I want to be male, and not being recognized as male by myself or others makes me feel deep emotional pain or I become depressed. But I am a female actually. It is the gender dysphoria that effects the way I feel, for me it has more to do with the parts that I have than anything else. There are social factors that effect me too, but I do not want to be "a woman that looks like a man". Because being a woman means having low testosterone, low libido, being typically physically weaker, having a curvy body, having a light voice, having breasts, having two holes and no phallus, and being typically smaller. The physical qualities typical of a woman are what disturb me when I move in the world in this body, and all the social stuff that comes with it is just the cherry on top to my dysphoria. This is my personal experience of why I am transitioning, but some trans people might differ in experience, to which I don't always agree with.
These sex and the city clips are INSANE. You will never convince me that a child came up with the idea that they are another gender or no gender at all on their own. And you definitely will never convince me that it was also a child's idea to change their identity at school and then hide it from their parents on their own. This shit is downright terrifying.
This happens in real life, it’s not just in the movies…UNFORTUNATELY.
That's why we homeschool.
That show is shockingly disgusting propaganda
In the words of a few certain people, around fifteen or so years ago
"They're going to try and corrupt your children"
Rose sounded stressed about making life long choices as a 12 year old, which I would be to. Kids need boundaries for security bc it’s a big scary world. Too much pressure from social media. Too much coming at them from all angles. No wonder our kids are losing their minds. It’s info overload they can’t process. Hell I’m an adult and can’t process it lol
So are we supposed to feel pity for the 50 year old woman who left her loving family to be with a woman who is just as confused about who she is?? And then ends up even more confused because she’s trying to understand chae, but chae doesn’t even understand herself
Yes, in fact we're required to feel pity for them, lest the alphabet police throw us into social jail.
No actually...she is ruining other sane people because of her ,she should be condemned than feeling sorry for her..many people like her have taken advantage of feeling sorry for them
@@AbcAbc-sp1odwe surely not ..if we feel pity for them..what should we show to people who got ruined because of her...those same person, children who know what they r doing in marriage and family ..who atleast have basic sense and respect as human being..what should we show them if this woman is victim...it's look like they don't even have bare minimum as decent human being
@darktitan6308it's not artnor life...she doesn't even have basic decency as human being.. forget about bonding as family towards her family members.. because of such people ,so many sane people and children get ruined..
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I don't think you can build a non-binary argument based solely on a tv show that you saw.
There's no way to escape identification, just like there's no way to escape time. There's also no way to prevent others to think about you in certain terms. You can do whatever you want with your life, at any time, in theory. But if you don't want to people to think you're an overweight woman, your options are limited. That does not mean you can't change, but it's mostly up to you to change yourself and try to make others change how they see you.
I think dictating someone's identity, especially after they genuinely told you who they are, is unecessarily aggressive and bigoted.
It's not about dictating, it's about perceiving. People can identify as whatever, that doesn't mean the rest will agree.. You're right in the sense that trying to dictate perception is a totalitarian way of behaviour. You can't establish accepted perception, whatever the self identification maybe, the rest of the universe might agree. Or not. Doesn't mean that people should change their self identification, they can keep it, but I don't have to accept it. @@binaryvoid0101
@@binaryvoid0101 They can tell you who they think they are, but they can't make think the same. You see, I identify as someone who has their own opinions, even about you.
Non-binary: I don’t like label
Also non-binary: I identified as non-binary
So wouldn’t it be “I don’t identify”?
@@anthonylugo4626 Even the simple act of refusing to choose is, in itself, a choice. All these people are doing is muddying the water.
They are acknowledging how muddy the waters are, while you're all yelling that you can see a bottom that doesn't exist. @@tetsuo3k
@@anthonylugo4626 It would be "I'm going to stop using language now because it labels things" (goes mute for rest of life)
Do you really not see the difference between choosing a label for yourself and having one applied to you?
Che is the most toxic and disgusting character in AJLT. So cringey, so annoying.
That scene with the person validating Che for her sadistic standup was creepy af too, encouraging no personal responsibility at all. What a way to live...
Hi! I'm a cis woman who has dated/is into NB/genderfluid people and I'd just like to give my 2 cents on the topic:
I appreciate the eloquence of the video, its very well made
You almost brought tears to my eyes, oh to see this nice comment in a sea of hateful ones !
and you explained your points with facts, and politely btw, and not with stupid emotions as i did. I nearly regret getting so upset about this video ahah.
anyway i'm just answering this so your comment can grow, maybe, and balance with all the stupid ones i saw ^^'
Thank you for your well-explained and informative comment. I don’t know what happened to Baggage Claim nowadays. When I first watched her, then it was mostly her videos on Meghan Markle and the Royal family that I found really interesting but now she seems to have gone full-on conservative or so idk, because I haven’t seen her latest content.
I’m still yet to see this video, wondering if I should watch it or not, but criticising an entire community just because of one fictional character is really a misinformed job. She should’ve done an analysis on the character themself but not compare it to the real world experience! There can be many non-binary people who are not good people, but that doesn’t mean that there are many people from the same community who are amazing people, and it applies to all kinds of communities. A bad person is a bad person no matter what.
Most of the comment section here scares me though.
Non binary isn't real, it's just men and women that want to be special without actually making efforts to gain any skills
@@peacockcrowe2718 its really not that hard to search up non binary in a dictionary, i advise you do so
My word. Ever more reasons to avoid assocating oneself with "non-binary", sounds so draining, insufferable and narcissistic.
When I was young I was a goth- modeled myself more like Andrew Eldritch or Carl McCoy than the traditional goth look, but hoop earrings and thick eyeliner were staples and things that had you asked me then if I was willing to make those permanent, I would have said yes.
I can’t tell you how much I cringe when I look back at pictures of myself in those days. Thing is. We see that same folly of youth in kids today and while there are still exceptions- I still see 40yo goths with thinning Robert Smith mops and bags darker than the eyeliner, but they are rare.
In other words, many of us understand this may be a life decision for some, but for MOST it’s a trend. It’s an act of rebellion.
So if the LGBTQ community left it at that, of course there’s going to be pushback by some, but most are willing to live and let live- but they refuse to stop there. For some reason they are targeting the children and THAT is where we have to step in and fight back. Until at least 18, but ideally 25, ANY life altering decisions should be avoided at all costs.
Them saying queer discourse is important for people in their 40s and 50s to "rediscover themselves" sounds a lot like a pathetic of coping with a midlife crisis xD
Why don't they instead just do like guys used to and go buy a sportscar or something?
@@sonoftheredfox Because you can't afford a sports car when you're a part time barista at Star bucks.
Yes, it is exactly that.
it's a continuation of the "adults desperately hanging onto childhood" trend.
My dad wanted a red sports car when he hit middle age. Realized he didn't fit in one and like them. So, he just bought a nice family car, and forgot about it. Today he'd be told to come out as trans, get a divorce, change all our relationships, wear dresses, and be miserable with his life but be unable to just turn back the lcock.
I'm a male survivor of sexual abuse by girls as a teenager.
For a long time I strongly disliked being male.
I wasn't female, I knew I was straight, but everything about being male seemed pointless and oafish to me, just swaggering bravado and arrogance with nothing positive.
I look pretty masculine, I'm a big guy with muscles, but I have a pony tale, and generally dress in a none-descript way.
had "none binary", been a term ten years ago I'm pretty sure I'd have done it, since I feltso divorced from the idea of myself as a man.
then I got married to a very definitely female lady, and suddenly bang! I find there are! good points about being male, and indeed being masculine, and ways of relating to my wife that can only be characterised by me being male, not silly things like who does the housework (we pretty much share that side of things), but things like me needing to be there if she has a bad dream.
these days, the very idea of none-binary actively disgusts me, since it seems not a willingness to be open to all possibilities, but an unwillingness to recognise, and make something of what you have!
Very wise 👌 observation. Thinking over this a lot
@@gabrialjackson5878 Thanks for the complement.
To be honest though, I'm just recognising the bullet I dodged, what sort of a right royal mess I was in to make myself a target in the first place, and also obviously, the massive debt I owe to the lovely lady I'm married to.
If I am thinking rationally I probably should feel sorry for none binary people, since like those suffering gender dysphoria, there's obviously something seriously psychologically wrong with their perception of reality, however on a personal level, I just find the very idea repellent! Something not helped by how loud, and narcissistic such people often are.
My lady says in this I'm like a recovered smoker who now abominates tobacco.
I’m glad you survived and met a good woman 💓
@@jesterfeathers Thanks.
I won't pretend it's always easy or something that goes away, even with my lady's help, particularly I might say in an era when I can run into something fairly triggering on the news or in popular media, (and I use the term "triggering", here in it's old-fashioned serious sense).
But yes, I'll be the first to say in my marriage I have been amazingly lucky.
@@darktenor4967Your story is so interesting and so glad you found a person and a purpose!
But what exactly does the triggering trigger, please? Feelings of not wanting to BE male? Or feelings of not identifying with maleness? (Or both/neither/something else?)
Acknowledging your sex or the sex of your significant other (I will never get on board with the "partner" label for those you're in a relationship with because it makes relationships sound like a business arrangement and reduces the person or yourself to a coworker or anyone you do non-romantic things with) is NOT archaic. Sex is biological and has always existed and there have been words for the different sexes since language developed. I am a "cis" woman who is only attracted to "cis" men. I would be his girlfriend until we married, at which case I would become an his wife. I see people saying the terms "boyfriend" and "girlfriend" are "juvenile," but people literally used those terms for unmarried couples, regardless of their age or how long they'd been together, for YEARS. There's literally no reason to change it now. Thinking those terms are "archaic" or "juvenile" just proves how pretentious and obsessed with appearances people are. If you have to call yourselves "partners" to "prove" to yourselves and others that you're equal, you're not equal. I have also had some moron call me "homophobic" for hating the terms "partner/partnership" applied to relationships, but those terms actually stem from homophobia, as gay couples only used those terms because they weren't allowed to get married and homophobes didn't take their relationships seriously. They felt they couldn't use the terms straight people use in relationships, so they applied "partner/partnership" to their relationships to make people see their relationship as serious as those who own businesses together.
What I personally dislike most about the Non-binary gender movement, applies to your first point. "I don't want to be limited by being a man or a woman." -- I'm sorry they/them, but I've spent 30 years proving that the fact that I am a woman *does not* limit me. I don't have to fit stereotypical gender roles. In fact, I don't. I am gender non-conforming. Doesn't take away my womanhood or femineity. I am also assertively aggressive and confrontational and competitive - all masculine traits - but they don't make me not a woman any more. The whole point of breaking down gender norms was to prove men and women can be absolutely anything they want to be, without any limits.
But now you have "NB" people wandering around trying to tell me I can't be a woman because I'm not a stereotypical woman. I'm not a Barbie doll, so I can't be female. I hate it. I absolutely despise it.
Nobody gets to tell you that you’re not a woman. I absolutely agree with that as a nonbinary person. But has a nonbinary person ever really told you explicitly that they think you can’t be a gender non-conforming woman?
@@altruisticflower9627 maybe that hasn't explicitly been said but, internalising the idea being a woman or a man limits you is bs. If you agree with her point that traditionally masculine or feminine things shouldn't define you, then there's really no point in the whole enby shtick.
@@Randomzooowner If people “can be absolutely anything they want to be, without any limits,” per the original comment, then why can’t we just be *people* without binary gender labels? Again, I’m all for anyone being anything without regard to gender stereotypes, and have no interest in trying to tell anyone who or what they are. Personally, I reject binary labels s as well; why would anyone need to put one of them on another person who refuses them, if not to impose some kind of limit?
"I'm sorry they/them, but I've spent 30 years proving that the fact that I am a woman does not limit me."
This is a misunderstanding.
People aren't saying that women are weak or useless and that they're better so they can't be women.
They're saying that all the trappings of womanhood are unpleasant and uncomfortable for them so they abandoned them.
What was liberating for you can be a burden for others.
@@Grokford The point is that there's no such thing as 'the trappings of womanhood'. That's sex stereotyping. There's just womanhood, which means to be female and human. That says nothing about who or what you can do or be. You're the ones putting the burden of sex stereotypes onto others by framing us as 'binary' or 'cis'. That makes us feel unpleasant and uncomfortable, because it's sexism.
the writers chose "rock" for a gender ambiguous name and we're not supposed to take it as a joke?
edit: jesus christ I did not mean to start a war over the legitimacy of rock as a name. i just thought rock as a name sounded funny. i guess I'm sorry I've never met anyone named rock before...
Rock can actually be used as a male name. Rock Hudson (probably a stage name).
@@blinkybill2198so you hand to reach sooo hard you found a stage man as the one example, statistical its not even an outlier its so out there its just 1. Out of a billion of English speakers and their names...
I was hoping I was mishearing and they said Brock... but Rock. She goes from Rose to Rock. Lovely...
@@Nightman221kI understand Rocky as a name but just.....Rock?? That's moronic
@@117Ender There are literally dozens of children named 'Rock' every year. Your perception of reality is false.
I am glad this show exists, particularly for scenes like 13:18. As Baggage Claim explained earlier in the video, this show unintentionally surfaces the reality of people like Che: They are abhorrent narcissists whos non-binary status is nothing more than a method of escapism. Life is hard. Being a woman is hard. Rather than grow and learn how to deal with those hardships, and build the deep meaningful relationships that help overcome the hardships life throws at you, the character traits Che portrays are just the outright rejection of growing up and dealing with the hardships of life. "Being a woman is hard, so now I am not a woman." "Relationships are hard and I don't want to commit, so I just reject traditional relationships."
In this particular scene we see just how egregious this poisonous outlook can be: We have Che, the product of someone being told they are perfect as they are, and, therefore, should never apologize for anything they do. And the result? Che literally spends 5 minutes shitting all over her relationship with her ex, as her ex is in the audience. And when confronted about this objectively deplorable behavior, Che falls back on the gaslighting, narcissistic saying "this is who I am," suggesting that the ex is in the wrong for not accepting Che's asshole behavior.
This entire show is, frankly, unintentionally a cautionary tale on the dangers of accepting modern progressive ideology. Che is a miserable person, who is deeply unhappy throughout the show. While I am sure the writer's intention was to suggest that Che's issues stem from society's refusal to accept her nonbinary status, the reality of what is shown is that all of Che's issues are entirely self inflicted from her absolute refusal to grow up and learn how to live in society. Turns out, being obsessed with yourself and doing whatever you want, irrespective of the feelings of others, or the teachings of a path that is proven to create an effective life in society, doesn't yield a particularly meaningful or happy existence. Getting drunk and high every night, and sleeping around well into your 40's makes for a vapid, shallow life.
Excellently put! As a mean to escape social norms, NB movement will spiral down the rabbit hole of more and more rejection of "social constructs", and eventually you have a weirdo that no one accepts, except for the paramount of fake support on social media. Not support for you to find sustainable happiness, but support for you to keep playing your role so the house of cards doesn't fall apart.
A brutal tragedy is happening right in front of us, and it pains me that there's not much I can do but to watch it unfolds.
@@southoceann Well there are two things you touch on there: personal and societal pushes for this lifestyle.
On the personal side, the reality is, you really cannot stop someone who is hell bent on destroying themselves. So, yes, you can only just watch them spiral out of control.
On the societal level? I think there is something we can do: refuse to accept this behavior, and shame it like we use to. That is how we teach kids: we tell them right from wrong, reward good behavior, and scold them for bad behavior. I would suggest that this whole push for alternative lifestyle acceptance was a mistake. "Just let people be" doesn't work when those people actively promote lifestyles we know are not healthy. We shame smokers because smoking is objectively bad. We should do the same for narcissistic, selfish, and delusional lifestyles.
I will say, as a ray of hope, that this is nothing new. Every generation has a substantial counter culture push, often promoting ideas that do not lead to healthy, happy lives. One such example was the "Free Love" movement of the 60's, which, while initially billed as a movement to separate the state from personal matters, was actually just a push to remove the social stigma from sexual promiscuity. But, it turns out, there is a reason such behavior is socially frowned upon: society understands that flagrantly careless sexual activity leads to undesirable consequences like poor relationships, unwanted pregnancy, and STD's, the last of which is what basically killed the movement when AIDS hit sexually promiscuous groups. So, in all likeliness, the world will eventually wake up and realize many of these ultra progressive ideas are inherently bad. But, we are going to have a lot collateral damage along the way.
@@herewegoagain... Exactly what I've been thinking. But one thing I fear that didn't exist then is social media and the internet.
Alternative lifestyles get promoted like wildfire thanks to the internet and our newly trained addiction for latest exciting stuff. Bad but exciting stuff get promoted and adopted too quickly, so by the time we fully comprehend the consequences, the alt lifestyle has gotten out of hand in terms of acceptance and adoption. This is what I fear for the current generation and moving forward.
TLDR; while we go all in to put out this wild fire called NB, another wild fire may as well have started somewhere else under our radar.
@@southoceann I would have more faith in humanity than that. You are correct your comment about social media, however, the same could be said for any emerging technology.
What, I think, you have to remember is people are still people, primarily concerned with their own self interest. What you hear on social media is just the loud people, and not indicative of most people. Case in point: Disney has completely gone all in on the woke crowd and profits are freefalling... because the majority of their audience doesn't actually want to be lectured to about progressive ideology in their entertainment, we just aren't that vocal about it.
Now, this does mean that things have certainly gotten out of hand as the silent majority has... remained silent, but that will only hold true for so long. People usually don't like to get involved, until you make it their problem.
And that is were the DNC screwed up: they pushed the progressive politics too far, when they started going after the children. Teaching progressive ideology is one thing, but telling children they are bad for being white, exposing them to sexually explicit material in school, and endorsing state sponsored kidnapping and gender mutilation just took it too far, and the parents in the silent majority will have none of it. I see a massive backlash coming.
@@herewegoagain... Totally agree with everything you said. And you voiced my very concern too. By the time we fight back against dumb ideas, there are already serious damage done to many people. Yes I see the massive backlash coming. But it is too late for many. How many teenagers being led down the road of affirmative action will detransition in the coming decade? 1% is already too many.
Unless we can find a way to protect children from the instant flow of unbased information, I don't see the end of this trend. But then a restricted Internet is no Internet. I cannot see a middle ground in this. That's the ultimate root of my fear. We either have a free Internet or no Internet at all. And who will protect children in a free Internet environment? Parents? Corporations? States? Or do we let natural selection run its course and see who come out?
6:52
I genuinely would like to know: why so many LGBT people act like this? With that "main character syndrome"? Thinking the whole world is like "The Truman Show" and they are the protagonists? Like if *every* bit of antagonism they face is just people "hating" them because they identify as queer/genderfluid/non-binary/any other fancy stuff?
This guy feels like he just lives roleplaying 24/7.
Because the media disproportionately focuses on those that are to create a harmful and stereotypical persona around queer people that you have obviously bought into wholesale. Any other questions?
As with every other group of people that share similar characteristics, there are loud and extroverted people, and quiet introverted people and people inbetween. You probably are aware which ones are more present in the media than the others. This has nothing to do with gender identity or sexual orientation, though. There is always the off-button on your device or the possibility to swipe if you don't agree with what is on your screen ;-)
"Never be certain of anything.
It's a sign of weakness."
- Tom Baker as Doctor Who
Of course, only the super special 'nonbinaries' can understand this. The rest of us are all just walking automatons who never had an original thought. 🙄
When I was a child I wanted to be a Ninja Turtle; I was lucky this was more than 20 years ago otherwise in this "supporting" society I would have been thrown down the sewers to realize my identity needs.
And doused in chemical waste for good measure, all in your best interest of course.😜
I like turtles
I was a big turtles fan too. Anyway, my pronouns are shelled/unshelled.
@@11lvr11Bobby Hill reference 😂
I wanted to be The Rocketeer. I thought flying with a jet pack strapped to my back would’ve been awesome.
Here's how to truly live outside the label. Stop seeing everything "gendered" and needing to tell society sbout your pronouns.
fr like who cares
And this is exactly what the original feminists were fighting for! They saw the whole system of gender as oppressive, and wanted women to be free to be who they are - biological females - without the social stereotypes of how they should live, act, and dress (gender).
But instead the woke crowd has decided to embrace a whole bunch of gender labels, while pretending biological sex doesn't exist. The trans movement is proof of this: a man only has to "identify" as a woman and he is a "woman with a penis". The insanity of embracing subjective gender ideas while pretending biological reality doesn't exist is just astounding. And very dangerous to women's rights.
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It kind of reminds me of sovereign citizens who think laws don't apply to them. Society can't function without basic guidelines or rules, it would be chaos without it.
Because gender blindness is a sure fit way to abolish cisheteropatriarchy.
Non-binary just means you don’t identify as either of the western Christian binary genders. I, as a Native Hawaiian, identify as Māhū, a third-gender (essentially trans) identity that has been a part of Hawaiian culture for hundreds of years. I also identify as non-binary, as Māhū is not recognized by the MAJORITY of western society, and I don’t feel like having to explain a part of my heritage every time someone decides to play Professor Oak. When American illegally annexed Hawai’i, my ancestors were forced to submit to western Christian ideology, the banning of their language, dance, genders, anything that the missionaries decided was “blasphemous.” This experience was shared across the globe by cultures labeled as “savage” and “primitive” because nations like the UK and the US decided they needed to be “cleansed.” Queer people like me wouldn’t be in this position in the first place if western society hadn’t been trying to erase us for the last 200+ years.
Imperial control regularly destroyed nonbinary gender worldwide.
Though even in certain areas of Europe third genders did exist.
Hi actual human who identifies as Non Binary here...
A. Che Diaz is a terrible depiction of being Non Binary and should not be used as an example for everyone, highly encourage you to find real people who have lived experiences
B. How does my identify inconvenient you in anyway? If your friend suddenly said they'd rather you call them by their nickname instead of real name... wouldn't you just call them that out of sheer decency? Also notice how ive casually been using non gendered terms...
“Better to be confused than to be sure”
That sounds very dangerous. If you don’t have direction in life, you will be lost and to say that it will make you a better person for it, is like saying learning nothing will make you wiser.
As someone diagnosed with dyslexia, adhd and autism in my late 30's and 40 and have been confused nearly all my life I can safely say that “Better to be confused than to be sure” is more then wrong, it's possibly life ending. All it leaves is more trauma. I've had health professionals surprised I'm still alive.
Better to be confused, eh? Right! Now do I cut the white wire or the red wire? I am so confused but that's ok...BOOM!
It's more than wrong; it's demonic. Satan is the author of confusion.
Better to be skeptical (< Greek word for "to think") than to be sure.
@@Islander185 god damn thats a combo.
If a focus group could destroy Che’s identity so quickly, that says more about their sense of security and self worth.
She's a glass house narcissist hiding behind a label
IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THERE IS NONE.
Her*
@@ironrattlesnake3975 seriously?
@@shoepixieyes, really.
Just a cautionary note, using sex and the city as a representation of anything that goes on in the real world is a recipe for disaster. The very first episode of the TV show when it aired questioned the existence of bisexual people in exactly the way you're questioning now.
I'm non-binary and I fall into one of the two main camps that I've noticed: in my case I really really like gender. I like masculine and feminine representations and I take what I like from both.
The other camp really really doesn't relate to gender representations or feel themselves particularly gendered (more of a void).
The important thing to remember is that being non-binary is about how you feel about your identity and how you live your life, it's not in general an academic or intellectual position. If your response to not relating to constrictive gender roles is to say "we should tear down gender roles as such", well that's perfectly reasonable. Many people may not feel the identity of non-binary as being meaningful if the intensity with which gender roles are enforced drastically decreases, and that would be fine, maybe even great.
Happy to answer any questions! And here's one for you: what kind of feeling does it bring up for you when you imagine someone in your life telling you they're non-binary when you always saw them as just more of a rebel with respect to gender or gender roles? Thanks!
I like the discussion about not having a set sexual identity throughout your life. My sexual *identity* changed completely in my 40s, but I was always what I was sexually. My identity changed to match authentic self. I wish it didn't take so long, but I'm glad I was finally able to embrace my true sexual self.
There’s a great video discussion on the LGB Alliance channel where a psychologist (who is gay) says being non-binary is really a goth phase taken to Level 5. He admits that when he was a teenage goth it was to get away from the norm and to an extent taunt his parents. That’s typical teen behaviour and he grew out of it.
However, you could not be arrested/fired/cancelled for telling a goth their makeup is terrible. For some reason the establishment has taken the social thing of the moment and protected it and worshiped it.
I've seen others make the same comparison. What is the new punk, goth, and emo phase of today? They even have the same colored hair, mohawks, tattoos, and piercings like the subcultures of the past, but now there's surgery and more political radicalism involved.
This is so interesting! Do you remember the name of the video?
I’ve heard non-binary described as ‘I’m not like other girls’ on steroids. It is children craving to be different and separate themselves from their peers. Very normal. But you have to grow up eventually.
@@JoeGatz1 Hello! Took me a while to find it again. The video is called *Session 1: Lies, Gender Identity & Stereotypes*
The very entertaining speaker is Dr Az Hakeem. His goth comments are at roughly 1h14m, but listen to all of what he says from 1h02m.
@@hope-cat4894 Both body alterations and political radicalism is quite common with teen subcultures. Punk has both (rather extreme) piercings, drugs and tattoo's, emo's had cutting and weird piercings, goth again piercing and tattoo's. And Skinheads, punks, hippies, etc. all have their own form (sometimes even forms) of political radicalism.
The big difference between then and now is that the kids are being taken serious in an attempt to be "inclusive" and intersectionality being a sub-culture that has weaponized negative terms to the point that people in the "in-group" can't be those negative terms, by redefining those terms.
Imagine correcting a parent about *Their own damn child's name*
That whole scene really rubbed me the wrong way.
I don't have it in me to do it
Well clearly her child didn't feel safe coming to her
@@ressesdave2250 Yea because children's fantasies and wild ideas aren't supposed to be affirmed. Especially not by people who aren't their parents
@@steviewonder580 Why not?
I just found your channel this morning and I'm only on my 3rd video BUT Oh My!!! You are speaking my language! I love how you are explaining these topics.....you're extremely perceptive! Its nice to hear you verbalize the things I'm thinking and cant articulate as well!
Thank you so much! And welcome!
As a non-binary person, I just wanna say that not everyone is gonna be like Che or Rock. There are so many different ways to be non-binary. And yeah, maybe there are some non-binary people that choose not to have labels at all, but then again, I doubt they would actually call themselves non-binary if they really thought about that. But at the same time, not every single non-binary person is gonna think and act like Che or Rock. I am a non-binary person, and I myself do have labels. And I'm okay with that. I just rather not be labeled under things like girl or guy. Not everyone experiences the same thing like this. Not everyone non-binary person is gonna be against labels all together. So overall, when I watched this video, it seemed very one-sided and like only covered the experience of a small portion of some non-binary people. Please don't say that this is a problem with non-binary as whole when it's not even true for every or even most non-binary people.
Thank you, bless you. 🫂💜
Agreed. Also I think using a show to make arguments instead of using real data is weird... The world she is portraying is not one I see at all in real life. I have never seen anybody avoid terms like parent and relationship.
well said
Nope. It's inherent.
This just proves that humanity has reach a level of comfort and wealth that some people can afford to worry about gender. Imagine being in the year 1810 and be talking to your friends about your preferred pronouns.
Extra layer of irony : the entire Queer/non binary thing is steeped in Marxism, and is meant to disrupt the existing system so the socialist utopia can be ushered in - most of these people have no idea that they are being exploited for political gain
Until 1938, children had full time jobs.
That’s a bad thing? Anyway don’t act like we’re in a place of perfection yet
@@somegrill7561that we have more luxuries and wealth is not the bad thing, it's what people are doing with their free time and lack of real problems is the issue. Now they're trying to make the smallest non issues seen like earth shattering problems.🤦🏽♂️
@@somegrill7561Comfort and perfection are completely different things. We well never be in place of perfection. Because it would mean everyone would be super kind and considerate to every person around them. And that will never happen.
The most pathetic thing about this condition is that the more you try to escape responsibility, the more you expect it in others. You want others to be good to you while you decide on what it means to be good.
Man this is so well said, I've never thought about it that way
Like if you have no commitment or responsibility or loyalties you don't expect that from a significant other? I can see that.
I think that's true about people who try to escape accountability and responsibility in general but still a great statement
A unique first world type of selfishness....
Yup, they wanna throw everything away so others deal with it. It's often why they're really not good people even in the show Che is not a good person nor is Miranda yet if you watched the original show she only got worse. BOTH characters want structure so they both can be as reckless as possible.
You all don't understand that you can't break out a system without referring to it. You got called out and you don't even realize it.
Pretty easy to build a case against anything if you limit yourself to only using examples and excerpts from a single character in Sex and the City.
It's easy to build a case against the concept of 'binary' and 'nonbinary' without reference to anybody in particular. It's just sex stereotyping. Sex stereotyping is sexism, which has no place in a modern, progressive society. Case closed.
Well. That J character is convincingly portrait as needy, selfish, self-absorbed, uncompassionate, cruel and dismissive of others. If the showrunners wanted me to like the character they failed. I would classify them as a supermassive a hole.
"Them" is a plus-size implication and oppressive, while "it" is so much more neutral and, dare I say, non-binary.
@@Sergeant_Fury :) that would be a brave and stunning statement indeed! Less is often more. Imagine King had named his novel "Them" 🤡🎈
Labels are about communication. So we've gone from "It's difficult to communicate this properly" to "why are you demanding that I communicate properly? I'm sooo tired of having to explain myself when I deliberately make no sense"
If they could just realize that a pronoun is not a label. If we call Rose "she", we are not labelling her and branding her a female or something. It's just a placeholder word, you stupid kids
Its basically a woman saying "why should I tell you I'm angry. You should know" and being upset over lack of clarity.
You're creating the lack of clarity
The underlying delusion is that people have a true, authentic self, and that the point of life is to live like that.
Have you considered talking to actual non-binary people and hearing their experiences and not make a whole essay based on the stereotypes portrayed by a TV character? Would you consider any female or male character in this series an accurate representation of a man or a woman and not a charicature?
GOD thank you so much, that's exactly what they're doing. thank you.