Goodbye Stellantis - The End Of The Big 3 as We Know It
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No one wants to talk about how Toyota is more of an American company than the actual American companies lmao
Matching their quality too with that new Tundra engine.
@@nuggetfn22004 name one car manufacturer that has never had engine problems. Toyota’s number of engine issue is tiny compared to Ford, GM or Chrysler.
Toyota is more American than Harley Davidson. But don't tell that to the Wild Hogs...
Y'all are communist
Built in San Antonio TX
Wanted a TRX, dealer wanted $35K just to allow me the privilege to buy one! Walked, I hope their greed ends them!
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
they’re out of touch & will fail if their current sales ops continue. the Baby Boomers are buying their final automobiles, while their offspring (and newer gens) understand price-to-quality aspects & don’t just by from the former Big 3 through allegiance.
Without the "hellcat" and alike (however many variants of different names for the exact same thing they have!) they will certainly hurt from then on out..... Insurance companies are going to be ecstatic though! 😂 Sorry not sorry because that sh!t is true through and through!
Wow that's wild 😳
Currently working on 2025 Ram trucks doing advanced electrical diagnosis because of all the issues they have at the assembly plant. These trucks are absolute nightmares. We are doing the fixes before they go to the dealership
Can confirm as a Chrysler tech that we hate Stellantis. Absolute trash
I second this as a Chrysler tech
It's the plan. Bring everything down as they raise another system side by side. Auto industry, food industry, building supplies,and farming. They are going to try and break us in every way possibe. They want us to eat zeebugs. Thats from klaus Schwab from the world economic forum. Real life hydra or bond vilian of some sort.
Is it true about some wiring harnesses being too short, causing problems?
I back this statement
Third lol @@zakmussaw473
Chrysler/FCA/Stellantis hasnt been capable of making an electronic, a camshaft, a lifter, a clear coat, a pcv system, or a business structure worth a damn in nearly 30 years... It's been the big 2 and them for a while now.
Dodge died when they killed the hemi. Biggest mistake in history.
Still making lots of hemis
Dodge died when they failed to engineer an efficient Hemi.
@@NvSrAgE679facts! Motards blaming stellantis but Dodge never improve their hemis and now they’re eating up their a**es
@xTOMMYx67 it's not in the lineup anymore. It'll be what they call the hurricane. A twin turbo online 6
Dodge died when the Europeans bought them.
Chrysler Jeep hasn't been known for quality for many many years no surprise here
I am over 50. When were they known for quality? Seriously, like when did people (Not fanatics) say that their quality is/was best on the planet? Like, I have never heard that in my life. Honda, Toyota - yes. Dodge? I have never heard that 1 single time. Thanks!
@@eriklarson9137 People loved Dodge trucks claiming they were great because of Cummins diesels... As if Cummins was in any way Dodge. Cummins diesels were the only decent thing about the trucks. Every other part made by Dodge was trash.
Rabbit hole... In my oppinion the down fall of automobiles is goverment regulations... Whether you want to get into emissions, electronic nannies(camera and mandated electronic systems), monopolies. They cost money and limit the competitve abilities of auto manufacturers today. I understand safety like seat belts in the 60's but it has gotten plain redicules!!!
Not so much regulation but NAFTA completely gutted manufacturing in the US. Lost almost 5 million jobs.
Add in up stream regulations too. This POS plastic dash is falling apart...... I'm willing to bet regulations made someone change the formulation of the plastic making its quality unknown.
it's not government regulations, it's corporate greed the problem. The dieselgate didn't teach you anything it seems.
Now just open your mind a little more. The downfall of EVERYTHING is over regulation. Period. :)
Its absolutely over-regulation that has done in the industry
The jeep curse... every company that has aquired jeep over the years, has gone away.
It's not really Jeep though that is the boat anchor.
Jesus was a Chrysler man. That’s why he was always walking…
Know what's on the back pages of every Mopar Manual "The Bus Schedule"
Lmao 🤣
Most Chrysler products have a built in hand warmer on the back glass for when you have to push it in cold months. GM calls it a rear window defroster.
@@bkc1965lol I thought that was pioneered by the Yugo …😂
LMAO.....but let's not pretend Ford or Government Motors are any better.
the big 3? you mean Ford, GM and Tesla? as a car guy and someone who grew up in southeast Michigan..... it hurts to see this happen... as an investor, I can only see Ford surviving.... why? because its still majority controlled by the Ford family.......for now....
Tesla? Ya they sell SOOOO many cars compared to GM
@butcherbaker4258 well. Tesla is worth 10 times as much as GM. And their production numbers are on track to surpass GM in a few years.
@@dallin95 Tesla is worth 10 times more due to investors. Now look at the sales side of it. They are doing pretty bad compared to most manufactures. If they don't start producing more sales these investors will walk away.
@@dallin95yep. many will be left behind…hell, Lee Iacocca famously said, “Lead, Follow or Get Out of the Way.” Elon must be a lot like Iacocca, because that’s what we’re witnessing in the U.S. automotive market.
I do disagree with Ford becoming the lone survivor, though. but, you seem like someone I could disagree with, explain our PoVs & come away with updated perspectives.
I’ll never be anti-gasoline & will hold fast to piston-pumping toys/trophies, but do look forward to EV’s future…Ludicrous Mode is freaking Epic & I like to watch RUclips while cruising over 75mph on Autopilot.
@@Derpingtonshere investors stick around partly because their growth and profit numbers are crushing Ford and GM.
Global Corporate Stellantis doesn't care if what they make is any good. It just needs to be cheap to produce with a massive profit margin.
It's the European way!
@@eriklarson9137it use to not be the European way but todays economy with massive multi conglomerates being what they are now. It’s a sad reality but even German cars now have awful reliability track record and you can see that in Volkswagen acquisitions and also with emissions scandal. Let’s be real the days of cars and coffee and cars being culture are gone especially with inflation being where it is young people can’t even afford to live.
My dad started at Chrysler in 1972 and retired from there. My oldest brother worked there from 88 to 2023. My middle brother from 96 to current. They all work at the transmission plant in Kokomo Indiana. It’s very sad to see stellantis run them into the ground kinda like Daimler did. It almost feels like stellantis is sabotaging the American plants so they can have overseas plants build stuff. I’ve owned a ton of Chrysler products mainly Ram 2500/3500s and Jeep Wranglers but as they keep slipping I’ve been buying GM products since my mom retired from there.
I did work as a contractor at ITP1 and 2 plants. They treat those plants like garbage.
So Stellantis does exactly the same as GM did to SAAB? SAABs biggest market outside of Sweden, probably outside of Europe was in America. And had a quality product. Which GM couldnt tolerate so bought SAAB and run it to the ground.
The new Dodge six cylinder is your fault Putting a 2jz in a camaro
Don't tear your hamstring with that stretch.
The Auburn hills Mopar headquarters is within sight of the old Pontiac Silverdome site. We all know what happened with that once great stadium. Michigan can be a tough place for people in general, let alone corporations.
They used to be cheaper than ford and gm. That's why ppl would put up with them. Now ram duallys are the highest than ford and gm
The reliability of all automobiles has gone down as the MPG regulations and emissions regulations keep getting stricter. Then you have the executives who want to keep making more money, so they just jack up the price on all vehicles by $1000 to $3000 each year even if the parts cost doesn't go up and the features as the same as they have been for 10 years. The technology in cars sources computer parts that keep getting cheaper (except during the chip shortage) but that price cut is never passed on. I had a 2016 Ram 3500 diesel, and it stickered for $67,000, that same truck is now $98,000 according to their configurator website yet that truck is no more capable than the 2016 truck I had. So, you increase the price by nearly $31k and provide no value, during a crappy economic time and get made when people making $50k a year aren't buying them. It's very evident that the ego of car companies is coming home to roost.
Agreed but 50% of car problems are due to customer brainwashing on service " extended " intervals and lack of patient seeing doc often enough!!
Dodge hasn’t been an “American” company since they became Daimler Chrysler… Not they’re part of Fiat. Would never buy one.
We love these videos Coop, keep up the great work!❤
This is the first podcast or video that ive seen that wasnt you building a car or racing. I have to say, it was quite interesting and ill be tuning in more.
Should check out his actual podcast.
The worst thing to ever happen to the automotive industry was the Cash for Clunkers scam. Destroy perfectly good used cars for other people so how much of others could try to get car loans that they would pretty much automatically default on so there's a whole bunch of repos still available for people who can't afford them but the used car market is finally starting to come back but still overpriced so people in a poor situation like me can't buy anything.
Fyi..... I am disabled and on a fixed income.
GM was bailed out too. Ford wasn't.
Ford took money too. They took money to upgrade factories. Research it 😢
Ford actually did take bailout money in 2009 and only just repaid it last year
Tesla, Coops new Big 3, has been given $10+ billion, and gives tax credits (others tax dollars) for people to buy one.
Biggest handout / bailout of them all.
Possibly hot take here, I actually thought the Fiat-Chrysler merger was a good move, especially after Dalmier and Cerberus ran what was left of the brand into the ground. Some of Dodge’s best modern decisions happened under the FCA banner, like the Hellcat, and they managed to make Ram competitive again. But when one of the first things they did as Stelantis was disband SRT, you knew things were going the wrong direction.
I currently own a 2021 and 2023 Challenger, 2021 JEEP Grand Cherokee, and a 2009 Ram 2500 and they have not given me any issues. And all the fitment is perfect.
Looked at a new 2020 eco diesel wrangler a few days ago... my only thought was once the emissions and egr was ripped out it would be fun
Correct. Fix all the factory errors and you can build yourself a fine vehicle...
I want a naturally aspirated v8, 400 horsepower truck, crew cab, manual trans, without all the electronic bullshit, that will run for 250,000 miles. Build me that and I'll gladly pay 50,000 for it with zero complaints. I am sick and tired of the F'n gov't telling me what I'm allowed to have. Where did our freedom go?
Jeep is making a ton of money in Idaho. Every Californian that moves here just has to buy one. Same with big trucks. It is terrible because they could not even drive or park the tiny car they upgraded from. Traffic around town has become miserable
California is a dump everybody's leaving that place like the Exodus nobody's going there.
I feel you. Colorado was invaded years back, now we're commies and tyrants. They love Subaru and Jeep, if they buy a big piece of property they have to have a $100,000 truck.
LOL
Idaho is a town? 🤔
@@thatdudeinorange5269 Idaho is a state. It also has lots of towns in it. Maybe use your brain for two seconds before you make a post little guy.
As a mechanic I warn ppl to s t my away from any jeep product. Engines are junk. But even worse is TIPM units and modules
Very good observations and commentary on Stellantis and the automotive world. Between bad management, bad government and bad regulations the automotive world is in a bit of a funk. Feels similar to the 70's malaise era.
Good job with this opinion piece. I gave up on Chrysler when they became FCA.
‘Big 3’ thinking is a thing of the past & it’s their own fault. JiT Mass-Production Ops & Delivery methods far surpass American mass-production manufacturing & we have Toyota to thank for it.
HONDA’s Maryville OH & Lincoln AL assembly plants employ tens of thousands Americans alone, in assembly, part manufacturing & the logistics teams that make it all happen. 3PL (3rd party logistics) & material handlers aren’t even reflected in Honda’s labor force numbers, but damn-sure should be. it’s a high number of jobs as well, where jobs = people.
the Japanese Auto Manufacturers (JAMs) have it going on. but, they’re as Japanese as Bubba’s Grandma’s Apple Pie. their fleet is mostly built in the U.S. by Americans of all ethnicities in plants built by American companies & their subs. they do it here (USA), because there’s a market here & foreign trade/sales taxes/tariff’s don’t exist as pure Imports would, because they aren’t Imported. ultimately, these JAMs are owned by dudes overseas.
even your wife’s Mercedes-Benz ML was made in Birmingham Alabama, not Deutschland.
don’t hate, appreciate.
What about American cars from the 50s, 60s, and early 70s?
The top 3 auto producers in the world are not American. Toyota, Volkswagen, and Hyundai/Kia are the largest. The American "Big 3" are 4,5, and 6. So they are definitely not "powerhouses" across the world. They are more of "also rans" globally.
I remember when the Challenger came out watching that commercial with George Washington driving a Challenger. It was the best car commercial I ever seen. I was too young at the time, but that made me want a Dodge really bad. Now they're transitioning from muscle cars to EVs and I'm old enough to buy one but what they're offering now kinda sucks or is crazy expensive. They need to go back to how they were back then where they were building wild vehicles that were cool.
Let them go under. Their vehicles are garbage. My 2021 Jeep JLU was an electrical nightmare.
Jeep has been trash for 25 years already. Second most unreliable vehicles on the road behind a land rover.
@@ngcolby I can’t argue with that. It was my first and last Jeep.
@@ngcolby My 2010 Jk has been one of the best cars I’ve ever owned. Other then normal maintenance and wear items I haven’t had to do anything to it in over 150,000 miles. It’s a base model 2DR, manual transmission, crank windows, ect. All I’ve done to it is tires, brakes, balljoints, tire rod ends, wheel bearings, and basic maintenance. It’s still got the original clutch, and it hasn’t left me stranded (yet). Now that I said that, watch the engine throw a rod tomorrow 🤣🤦🏻♂️🤬
@@ngcolby Jeeps are only cool as an offroad platform and even then, prepare to upgrade everything.
You bought a car built durring an electrical component shortage. And are expecting no electrical issues.
That's on you guy. Do your homework.
China does WAY worse on tariffs for goods made here. It was only fair to do the same to them.
Some absolutely fantastic LOOKING vehicles, best in the business as far as I’m concerned, I’ve loved myb4 Grand Cherokees! My first was a 96 with 5.2- was my favourite. Absolutely loved my 2011 Hemi, but dam electrical and component failures were ridiculous, quality is job ‘last’ with Stallantis
I'm a Patriotic American. If I were a billionaire, I would buy Stellantis pennies on the dollar and bring back this auto maker!
Exactly mate same here
Yeah i work at a chrysler dealership. Horrible qc. Replaced engines at 300 miles. Jeep is pretending to be luxory but its not. Aaaaand we just finished off all of our decent engines in favor of shit that doesnt even have a dipstick
Sadly tariffs are needed. Its impossible to keep up with slave labor. Nafta was signed by both parties and cost the US 4.5 million jobs. China is even building two electric car plants in mexico to use the free trade agreement.
Doesn't the government telling you who you can and can't buy from make you feel less “free”
@@CooperBogetti Before income tax the .gov could fund itself entirely on tariffs. The people kept their money and had broader employment opportunities via a self sufficient country. Its not perfect but its not like we've ever had an actual free market. Otherwise you'd probably have a lot less idiot socialists trying to bitch about the evils of capitalism...
Is Toyota slave labor?
@@CooperBogettiIt’s not saying who you can or cannot buy from, it’s just an additional fee to make the price comparable to American made goods. If you think a little more into this, too much outsourcing is very much a national security problem as well. Our country has been down this road before. I agree in principle with you on Tariffs, in practice and reality however, they are needed. China has 100% tariffs on all American car Imports. I believe EVERY country in the world imposes Tariffs for legitimate reasons.
Maybe the US Automakers should quit bending over to the Unions and paying a guy $40 an hour to bolt a door on and we could afford new vehicles.
This Stellantis business reminds me of the formation of British Leyland in the UK in the late 60's. They wound up with a large number of British brands under one umbrella which meant the decline and the demise of a lot of them. Some strong niche brands like Jag and Range Rover have survived with internationell ownership.
Automotive history is interesting and does also repeat itself.
Auburn Hills, not Dearborn. Ford is Dearborn
I said it right later in the video
@@CooperBogettiMy bad, ADHD'd myself out of the video before I got there.
I was wondering what topics you like to get into and wondering if you watch PBD podcast and Valuetainment? They cover a lot of topics you kinds discuss on here.
Chrysler stopped being good after the 80s. And that was the first motor I built 360 with dad for my ramcharger when I was 14 dad said you are going to learn not to do Mopar again. And I did while ordering the parts and seeing the price being double chevy and ford for less power.
I think they stopped being good after 1970. Just like Ford and Chevy. Complete trash from about 1970 to about 2010? Did they get better?
I think its been glossed over how many american based engineers they fired during the restructure. It certainly shows.
I am whole hearted for tariffs. Build here, not China.
But I'm a free American I should be able to buy from whoever I want
@@CooperBogetti I get both arguments but I'd rather buy something where I know at least a little of the money is going to people here in the US. That being said, Stellantis is probably the worst one for that mindset now.
I would also, yet I still deserve the option penalty-free
@@CooperBogettimy counter argument for tariffs - Is it truly a free market if we allow China, a country with government owned industries, to flood our markets with products they take a loss on in order to gain market share? This directly impacts the stability of our domestic market. That said, I wholeheartedly agree that there is a line to be drawn, but tariffs are necessary in some circumstances.
@@CooperBogettiCoop, the problem is that our culture of independence, concerns of rights for our own selves and our natural American tendency to look at the world through the lens of "what's best for me?" and "but how does this impact me?" tends to often find itself at odds with what might be best for the nation as a whole.
Many Americans consider themselves "patriots", and believe they put USA first, but those same people when presented a choice with two options to buy a tool that both appear to provide all the same functionality, reliability and warranty, but one is made in the US by a US company with US materials and US labor costing $500, while the second is made by a different US company assembled in Mexico with Chinese materials and costs $249, many of those same patriots will feel they have the right to get value and will buy the cheaper option. This doesn't make us bad people, it's the logical thing to do for anyone who doesn't have infinite money, you'd honestly be foolish to pay twice as much for the same functionality. The problem is that while the logical and prudent choice is to buy the cheaper import, that choice has wide reaching negative impacts on the US economy, job market, tax revenues and even trickle down impacts to services like Healthcare and our military, while in many cases also providing revenues and income to competing national governments who want to see their industries dominate globally and also often highly subsidize their nationalized industries to allow them to undercut any other global player that needs to make a profit, advancing their nation and providing funds to global expansion and military growth, while weakening US industry and subsequently our global power and military. It's incredibly difficult, if not impossible to get US consumers to think about those dynamics, or even take them into consideration when spending their valuable and hard earned money. Governments are acutely aware of this phenomenon and they have a few different levers they can pull to try to keep our manufacturers and employers from getting stomped by these nationalized foreign manufacturers while at the same time trying to drive US consumers to purchase US products, they can subsidize these companies themselves (loans/bailouts), they can offer tax rebates and other incentives to offset the higher prices resulting from our higher manufacturing costs, or they can place tarrifs on the imported products in an attempt to somewhat level the playing field and offset the imported product's advantages of lower cost to produce and little need to turn much profit.
Where this all goes upside down is when you look at our industries, we globalized decades ago, the US is a capitalist economy and all of our largest industries are dominated by publicly traded companies, companies who's shareholders demand choices and actions that increase profits with zero regard for how that impacts our nation as a whole (the whole putting ourselves first mentality), and as such these corporations are also constantly trying to pull the only two levers that shareholders care about, cut production costs and increase prices & revenue to increase profits, which results in doing the things that seem fiscally logical and moving production to Mexico to cut assembly costs by more than half, using cheaper imported parts suppliers to cut costs, or just completely outsourcing all manufacturing and production to an offshore company in China, Mexico, Vietnam or any number of places where the "same" product can be produced for 40% of what it would take to produce it all here, and that includes the global shipping and import costs.
You can't get mad at the government for trying to stop our largest corporations in hundred billion dollar+ industries making up 3% of our GDP, who are also some of our largest employers providing roughly 2 million US jobs, from going out of business or allowing that industry to collapse, even if only to avoid becoming entirely dependent on foreign imported product which becomes an enormously powerful lever that other nations can then pull to influence our national and international policy, or be left with little choice.
I guess in summary, doing things in our national best interests are now completely at odds with the hyper-capitalist self-serving nature of our modern post-2008 culture in a global economy.
I get that you feel like you should be able to make the choice to buy whatever you want for yourself without being penalized, but you need to understand and consider the upstream and downstream impacts of such a scenario being allowed to unfold at scale. It's crazy complicated Coop.
Love ya my man!
In the UK the Stellantis brand is dying too. All the brands share engines with major faults and the dealers are closing up left right and centre. The ones that are open can't deal with the huge bag log of warranty work so it can take months for your car to be repaired under warranty. I work for the UK's largest breakdown and recovery company and we hate dealing with them
I can't believe that happened back in August of 2024. I could have sworn we weren't there yet
I think a large part of the Chinese electric tax is because the quality or lack there of of their electric vehicles. They have record numbers of fires and malfunctioning vehicles.
If it was safety you would have a ban on them.
Hmmm… it’s almost like killing the Hemi and the muscle car. Ya know, the ONLY thing they actually did well. Was an incredibly STUPID idea🤣🤣🤣
For some reason in my head any dodge product sits in the same level as Kia. I always assume that it’s more of a value brand.
For a little splash of humor my family had a lot of Mopar lovers in it from the old days but I have never been impressed with anything I saw so I loved to point out that even Mopar knew their vehicles were garbage because they never even made an odometer with a 6th digit until 1994. That use to get my uncles fired up every time and it always brought a smile to my face. To be honest thought the main thing that deterred me from owning Chrysler vehicles was that their prices were three times the cost of G.M. or Ford parts so if you were unfortunate enough to buy one you were almost assured that you weren't going to be able to keep up with anyone because the parts to get more performance were so extreme. I had a friend that put $25,000.00 in a Dodge Magnum with a 440 back in like 1994/95 trying to make it fast and he couldn't keep up with my beater S10 with a V6 let alone hope to keep up with my fast car which was fast then but a high 9 second 1/4 mile isn't what it used to be.
Controversial statement ~ replacing Chrysler with Tesla in the big 3 ~ but you make a great argument. Car guys like myself (my head is buried in the sand as we speak) will never accept that, but you make a good point!
A few years ago, I was running a shop that did fleet work for a company who ran Jeep Patriots. Almost every single one had leaking radiators at lass than 30K miles. Junk.
I love my 2021 dodge ram but then again I don’t really use it as a truck
I think it really depends on how you want to break it down. The big three of what? Big 3 of Fleet Sales? Ford, GM, Stellantis. Big 3 of Rental Car Fleets? Hyundai/Kia, Stellantis, Toyota. Big 3 of Electric Vehicles? Tesla, Ford, GM. Big 3 of consumer cars? Toyota, Honda, Hyundai/Kia.
American manufacturers Big 3
Loving these Coop!.
No! Us Australians think Stellantis cars are sh!t too. Chrysler died in Australia in the early 80’s and what was left was sold to Mitsubishi. Jeeps have pretty much always been sold here but most people know they are pos’s. We did get the 300’s from the mid 2000’s. The Rams we get are converted to right hand drive but those owners are known to have small pen!ses here!
Note it was GM that p!ssed off us Aussies when they closed down the Holden factory in 2017!
Most of the quality issues are do to bad parts sourcing rather than doing things more in house like when they originally designed the pentistar (pretty reliable motor) and post 2009 hemi
I hear dodge, I think fiat
Chrysler needs to install recall notices at the factory. they would save tons of $$$ on postage.
I own a Chrysler Pacifica 2021 maybe I'm lucky but it's actually been amazing these last few years
The big 3 are Ford GM and Tesla now . Stellantis is a foreign company now , pretty much was when it was FCA
80%of that list of auto manufacturers are know for unreliable products.
99%
All I know my 2021 Rubicon and my 2024 Rubicon are freakin awesome!!!
Tesla won’t make it 5 years I bet Stellantis will
Man I could talk about this for hours. My grandpa worked for ford in the 70's, and was really big about supporting the big 3. If him or my grandmother were still around they would disown me if they found out I have an Audi now
Dodge Chrysler fiat whatever ya want to call it has always been trash. Sadly all 3 are making garbage now. I have always been a chevrolet guy and I'm not impressed with my 2023 truck. And Toyota got rid of V8s 🤦♂️ there is nothing worth a damn.
Turbos are nice though.
@@max7768unfortunately I’m not sure the new turbo v6 will be as good as the 5.7
@@peterad1529 It's had manufacturing issues so far, nothing to do with the engine itself. Give it time and I'm sure it will be a great engine
@@max7768 maybe it will but it ain’t going 200+ thousand miles like the v8 could . Same with the ford eco boost it’s just it made to last maybe I’ll be proven wrong who knows . I hope it’s good I like the tundra
@@peterad1529 They will. There's a lot of rumors but those ecoboosts are proven, they've been making them for i think 13 years now. Earlier ones had some issues like anything else, but those engines will go 300k+ no issue, just change the oil.
I’ve hated a Dodge product no matter the name for at least a decade. Cummins is the only quality sold in that brand.
So fax couldn’t agree more
@@bakerbolton8476 Be fax disagrees entirely though.
There is a reason I call my 2500 a shipping crate, a pile of garbage wrapped around a good engine
Prolly cuz they arent made by dodge
Have you heard of the infamous cummins grid heater bolt that falls into the intake, destroying the engine?
I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall in that meeting. 😅😂😅😂
YOU SHOULD TALK ABOUT SOMEONE HACKING CDK AND SHUTTING DOWN OVER 15,000 DEALERSHIPS
You'll NEVER See Japan be OK w/Toyota or Honda selling their companies to a foreign Country? Germany for Mercedes? Only America seems for sale!
It was kinda always the big 2 and Chrysler once the US lost all the smaller manufacturers
Excellent
I hope they figure it out, i hate to see people lose their Jobs.
The dodge RAM van is a last gen peugeot Boxer.
3rd owner of a 14 ram 1500 slt v6 nicest thing I've had interior wise it dose what I need it to I don't have any complaints nought it for a 1000 3 years ago maybe I got lucky
Bringing in European directors to sort out the mess? I smell DEI hiring gone wrong (again)
DEI hiring cannot go right. Any process other than hiring the MOST QUALIFIED candidate will eat away at any company. Period. It's basic human nature.
What about dsm ..it was a dodge wasn't it .talking about evolution mitsubishi eclipse 01 down .
Hot take, Chrysler hasn't been an American car company for a couple of decades. It's just been passed around from company to company failing more along the way. Daimler, then fiat, then fca and now stelantis, all of which were not American companies. But honestly as much cheap Chinese shit put in all the cars, are any of them actually " American made" anymore, or just assembled in America?
I recently raod tripped a grand wagoneer from Michigan to Texas. Was nice but it tried to kill us a couple times with the auto driving "fetures." It also would tell me to put my hand on the wheel multiple times when my hands were on the wheel already. Also the vehicle was made for 500lbs people so my skinny ass was super uncomfortable the seat. They literally have 2 huge seams right on your spinal cord. Just crazy uncomfortable, unless your an average American.
The biggest issue with astronomical import tariffs is that dwindles down competition with the big 2 that just means Ford and GM will charge more for a product that's less!
I mean hell, we are living in a time with $100K+ trucks AND they are selling without an issue.
And the saying goes, "fall into sh!t coming up smelling like roses"
Lastly, to be fair (to be fair) Dodge transmissions have been pretty stout after the mid '00s...... Their dashes on the other hand however 😂
Most people don't see that is what happens when you protect the local brands.
The quote was a Shaw shank redemption quote
I seriously doubt that they will stop making and selling Hemi engines. They just won’t sell them in finished vehicles so that they have to pay for carbon credits. If the Hellcat engine can still make a profit by selling it through the parts divisions they will sell it. Anything that makes profit will stay for awhile and things that don’t will go away.
Yeah, the highest end Wrangler was like $45k back in 2019. Now it's more than double that. I'm pretty sure it's the same situation with the RAM's.
With income tax at 40% and the cost of living spirald out of control with no slowing down in sight. Fewer people can afford new cars. The ones that are most are not trading in as often. Non of the auto manufacturers have close to the amount of employees they use to but the cost of new cars hasn't slowed a bit. I was told by a GM employee that had 42 year's seniority that when GM built the new plant just off I69 and closed all other plants they went from 35,000 employees to 3500. Basically the people now mostly monitor robots in the event one fails they go to work getting them back runing.
I work for a sister company under Exxor Group. Not gonna lie, the employee discounts were really good incentives to buy Chrysler products. I got my wife a jeep while they still had the lifetime Mopar Maxcare warranty
But I did notice with all of our service trucks that 2014 until the new body style were really good trucks. Very comfy and better interior than my Ford's.
But the company I work for gets restructured every 2-4 years too. You can only rely on brand loyalty for so long. Customers can pick up on all the dysfunction within the company
Luckily most/every single one of the dodge/chrylser fans I have ever met don't pick up on anything. Ever.
“Carless Carlos” nice one
They will sell off the Iconic American brands and consolidate the European brands into just a few. They will build everything on one or two platform structures with just enough actual design language to fool people into thinking they bought a unique brand or model. Cookie cutter powertrain options that can be scaled up or down depending etc.
Im so glad my 1998 grand cherokee jeep is completely different than what all this new shit is.
Every manual wrangler JL and Gladiator needs a new clutch and flywheel.
Conglomeration of garbage describes dodge, ram, jeep, Chrysler perfectly 😅
When I hear Dodge, Ram, Fiat, or Jeep I think EU now... not much about their products makes me think "Merica"...
Its corporate culture of making money over anything else that can cause those buy-sell buy-sell of companies, and yea, the good people who want to build cool stuff usually don't stand for that restructuring and leave the company or even leave the industry...
Stellantis reminds me of the big corps in the US (Like Advance Auto), so big they can have a brand they purchase bomb and still pay the bills because the rest of their conglomerate can suck up the difference. Not letting the namesake "fail" or disappear.
merry chrysler
What's funny is they have gone bankrupt more than any other manufacturer
Stellantis now has a problem that Ford and GM faced a while ago when they sold off Land Rover, Jaguar, end closed divisions like Oldsmobile, Mercury, Pontiac , Saab, Plymouth .. they have a new brand identity crisis like years ago. There are too many vehicles in the same market space. They need to figure that out. I think that the Euro corporate culture would possibly consider parting out some of those divisions in order to get some cash and trim some model redundancy.
Who would be interested in buying what you ask? No idea but maybe there are some good fits that might make sense.
Maybe Nissan would be a good fit to buy the Ram brand? I think those are built in Texas and they run a 5.6L V8 kind of Ram type DNA but they kind of have a name recognition/attraction issue with the Titan .
Jeep, I think GM could make a home for them. They have some off-road trims but the new Blazer is not an old Blazer they had fear of commitment to the full off-road schtick. They need to trim their lineup too so many choices in the same space for Chevy. Focus on just the Wrangler and Cherokee not Gand wagoneer of Grand Cherokee buy a freaking Traverse, Tahoe or Suburban drop the extreme 4x4 trims from the Colorado and 1500 trucks those are only there to try and attract Jeep buyers. Build the best f#ing Jeep you can, use a standard bell housing and adaptable motor mounts for decades so people can literally Lego piece an old Jeep into a great functioning machine from nearly the ashes of death and make it rise like a phoenix. The aftermarket will be in love with that and it will have eternal brand loyalty and support
Lol it’d be super hilarious to see Mercedes buy Dodge and onto make AMG like powered monsters to be the Ying to the Yang of the C63 sports coupes.. crazy or dang genius? Lol
Stellantis should keep Chrysler and make the family 4 doors a lot of us grew up in and trim them out like Cadillac. Roomy, plush, GLH with the big engine option for those who want a sleeper. Otherwise a really nice family four door you would take a client to show them a nice property or something.
Oh, yeah my first car was a ‘77 Plymouth Volare 4 door rusted out to the door handles and mud would splash through the front fender onto the windshield… but I still remember that old hooptie and the slant 6. I liked the sound of that 6 cylinder lol. I got pretty used to it because the muffler and catalytic converter both rusted off. 😂 Maybe Hyundai could inherit the Plymouth name and make something with an inline 6 like the original minivan or maybe a 2 door a little larger than the veloster?
Idk maybe I’m just a little sentimental about that? Just like I miss my ‘87 Tbird. What a smooth looking car in silver. I have no room / use for one but good memories with them. Kind of like that crown Vic we kept until 262,000 miles it was like the black lab of the family. Nothing super special, comfortable like a porch chair and it was dependable as the sunrise, always treated us right. Even when being half run off the old by a semi in a blizzard with our 8 day old son in the back with mom. Storm came in early and we got caught out of town at a Dr. visit. Otherwise we never would have left the house like that.
Difficult to compete with free labor
I have high hopes for the new Ramcharger coming out... maybe?
Chargers hold up well here in Atlanta, doing "street racing" (donuts in the street, hitting spectators) and running from the law....cars hold up, drivers do not.
You legitimately changed my opinion on this whole thing after your X post. 😂
The French Stellantis is the reason for the troubles of the Chrysler Corporation!!!!!
I bet if someone just bought a chrystler plant and started building 70s through 90s chrystler products. It could survive. Plus keep the performance hellcat stuff alive