If you’re wondering why there’s a cursor in the visual novel footage, it’s because I used an AI upscaling tool to make the window above 480P, since the visual novel is ancient, and the cursor is a side effect that I can’t get rid of, unfortunately. Also, I made a Discord server! You can join it here: discord.gg/c9wz9yJcA7
@@upeo12 Think so? I think they've got the same old-school artstyle going for both of them. Both have the big eyes and other exaggerated features. I'm not complaining tho, it's just not my cup of tea.
Oh, btw the Project Mikhail game leaves early access on the 26-27th this month according to an update, and its getting (all?) its online stuff removed and turned into an offline only game.
They wanted to rake in as much from their localization work as possible, imagine giving birth to a child and telling that kid when exactly they're gonna die
Imagine if it raked in a shit-ton of money from the ultimate FOMO and games only being online for a very short window of time became the norm. *shudders*
It gets even worse when you remember that the eng and jp servers were supposed to release simultaneously... only for the eng server to get delayed up until the jp server was getting shut down... and for the eng server to only be up for 2 months...
Because in universe, due to casualties, there is a superstition of 8 minutes of death that newbie pilots have to expect If they survive it, only then are they considered real pilots
Immortals can live indefinitely. They are not invincible. You also have an extended life group like Nicolas Flamel, Billy the Kid, etc. Who were mortal, though were granted an extended life through some means. For Nicolas Flamel, it was the Sorcerers Stone.
I'm glad tho, I've heard the talk about this years ago when I was still interested in reading VNs (before I stopped having time for that) so him giving an overview of it all without spoiling too much was great
@@ogrim0 Love Live School Idol Festival 2 global server is announced that the game will eos at the same time as they announced the game itself. The reason is due to JP server is already eos before global version is finished developed I believe.
@@Darkriders100 JP server was still active at the time. In fact before the Global version start/termination date was announced, they announced the JP server was going to be EOS.
I thought this was going to be about the Love Live spinoff that announced its end of service date before it even launched. But even that got two months of live time.
It afforded that 2 months life time due to over a decade of name recognition and build up from a very popular franchise, Muv Luv can afford no such luxery coming from a niche genre in an even nicher medium of visual novels
@@upeo12 So basically TDA stands for "The Day After" which is a direct sequel to Muv-Luv Unlimited. It shows the aftermath of the "Alternative V" plan. Despite being a sequel, this should not be read before Muv-Luv Alternative. TDA was released in an episodic manner, and currently there are four of these episodes released. The final episode was kinda in limbo for a while, until they re-announced it under the name "Muv-Luv Resonative". Integrade on the other hand is a sequel to Muv-Luv Alternative, though not many details are known about its plot. We basically only have concept art of it at this point (in the form of a trailer), and a release date has not been announced yet. Hope this clears it up :)
In an alternate timeline, it is Muv Luv Alternative that spawn dozens of light novels, mangas, video game spin off, billions of dollars earning gacha, anime done with care and love that can join the pantheon of mecha greats such as Gundam, Macross and Evangelion. While Fate would be the one struggling to stay relevant and is drowned in the ocean of products on the theme of "historical legendary and mythical figures as cute girls".
I mean it is decently known in the vn sphere has had several anime and fairly well received manga and some videogames. Theres a mech game on steam and even the mobile game hes talking about isnt actually gone they just took a few months to fix its issues before relaunching it under a different name and its been up for almost a year now. Its not fate but its definitely not some obscure indie franchise.
That will never happen if we have the same audiences. Mecha is always a niche genre even the all time great franchise like gundam isn't that big. Whereas selling sexy girl and historical figure is a way more relatable story than giant robot
@@kingbash6466 Dang that was me, although all of them are in the different stage of life (OG FSN VN fan, years later loving MLA, and then now casually playing Genshin). Thankfully Genshin is the only one of those three where I play it as a gacha game, and even for Genshin I can already say that I'm playing it mostly just for music and story.
And? The pity is also a really bullshit one with only a 50 percent chance to get the pity and if u fail the first u need to pity again let me tell ya it’s fucking put there just to drain ya of money as any other.
The muv luv VNs are masterpieces imo and after that they were unable to keep the franchise afloat, even the devs said if the gacha failed that was the end of the franchise (this was because they invested on NFTs and failed lol), personally I prefer to treasure the memories the franchise gave me instead of seeing it being desecrated.
It's kind of sad to see where Muv-Luv is now. From what I've read, the series deserved its praise. It's a shame that instead of the company investing in a standard video game, LNs, or other media, they chose a gacha game with no pity system post Genshin launch. It was doomed to fail. There's just way too nuch competiton and the bugs definitely didn't help. Its just sad to see.
It's poetic justice as far as I'm concerned. After Age restructured to form aNCHOR, they took the western publishing rights to Extra and Alternative away from Sekai Project/Denpasoft, instead opting to publish the western releases themselves. While that isn't bad on its own, Denpasoft offered R-18 patches for both games prior to aNCHOR's takeover. Once aNCHOR took over, they forced Denpasoft to take both patches down and refused to sell them themselves. They deserved to suffer for that.
Not gonna lie, i got so intrigued with the visual novel story of how it went from typical rom-com visual novel and then went full into sci-fi that i forgot this was a video about a failed gacha game
God that currency issue is probably one of the second funniest ones I have heard. Only thing weirder for me was the one I personally experienced in one piece treasure cruise. And that happened twice in that game's history...
Yeah the moment I heard the game had an infinite money glitch everything made sense. I could just imagine the dev's faces upon learning about the exploit💀💀💀
“VN crazed during highschool”, you and me both. Aha….I played a bit too much secretly during comp.sci., intermedia art, music tech., and basically any class that has access to a PC during free time. Had pretty much all the popular VN on a flash drive. Got caught playing Saya no Uta, luckily on the non-spicy moment and especially not on some of the other titles.
I looked up Saya no Uta after seeing this comment, and I can only ask what the hell was going through your mind to think you could read that in public.
To add to the insanity of video the head dev for the first iteration of immortals was a literal who that kouki yoshimune (og creator and writer for muv luv) picked up from like a twitter thread after he said ¨yeah Id make a baller game instead of your last failure lol¨ and then proceeded to eat a horse meat ramen on releae date with the uma musume hashtag, this absolute failure was so full of himself he thought he had an uma killer in his hands.
I think Kouki by now is cursed to have anything he produced to be mediocre at best at first iteration, and only went better at the next iterations. OG Trilogy of Muv Luv simply succeeded because his first iteration (Extra + Unlimited) actually sold pretty well and he used his entire fortune to finish the second iteration (MLA)
I am perplexed by what that guy doing. Uma Musume Killer? Seriously? You can't kill another game if it has different gameplay lmao, since you know outside of gacha genre it can't be directly compared
You know this guy is a true fan when he can actually pronounce âge correctly. Just a few corrections, this isnt the first gacha from the muv-luv franchise, there was another one years ago called Muv-Luv Alternative: Strike Frontier, which was set in an alternative reality were a important "unit" is different, was a really cool game, had a chibi artstyle for the in game models and a FGO style of gacha. About Immortals, i was there playing it because i'm a massive fan of the franchise, the idea of the game was fine until you played it, it was kind of miserable, and actually make sense to be like that, Immortals was basically done by one person that had never done a full project before as far as i remember, thats why it took a year and a half to come back because a proper studio called Next Ninja came in the project to redo the whole game, it was kinda ugly, there was a video of the producer of the franchise and the developer apologizing that was really somber, i think its still up in the muv-luv japanese youtube channel. The game right now is fine, they implemented the whole visual novel now in the game but it still feels like a cash grab, the story as far as i readed was not good, it was just disappointing, there were a lot of projects that rubbed the fans the wrong way in this period of time, like the NFT project as well as this gacha, and for some, the anime, but if that is the price to get Resonative, Integrate and Eurofront i would be fine. I would have said that this was the last place that i would have thought that i see something muv-luv related, but i would be lying, it wouldnt even be on my mind, goated video.
Next Ninja actually worked on another lesser known gacha game called "Touhou lostword" which is a non canon spinoff of the touhou games that's....fine I guess?? There's better non canon licensed touhou gacha game spinoffs that are even MORE obscure (genso eclipse, that one rhythm game that shutdown and turned into a steam game) also the touhou community heavily despises touhou lostword because the writers of the visual novel parts thought heavily putting fanon into the game and marketing it as a "game where people who want to learn about touhou can play!" was a great idea but idk
@@Pseychie_NIKKE, I would definitely recommend giving the spin-offs a try. Especially the three main ones: The Day After, Total Eclipse and Schwarzesmarken (when (if) it get translated in English). They not quite stood up to the masterpiece that the original trilogy is, but they still great on its own.
As a VN fan who doesn't give a crap about Gachas It was nice to hear someone talk about the Muv Luv gacha, And one of many failed attempts for a vn company To go for the gachas money banks But was also nice to hear songs from stuff like Subahibi and Kara no Shoujo, I can tell you were once a big story VN fan That said while VNs are "technically" becoming less popular. There are still good stuff coming out with the last several years. In particular, we've been getting a lot of official translations of good stuff
Had to wait 20 years for Dies Irae and Muramasa translation. And such comedic timing that mtl starting to get good enough around the same time that indies VN/rpgmaker game can get translation less than few months.
Muv Luv definitely can branch out of its VN Roots and diversify, like bruh there's still so much to explore in Alternative. Muv Luv failed solely because AGE is utterly incompetent. Imagine waiting for more than a decade before creating an Anime Adaptation of Muv Luv, and then skipping Extra and Unlimited and just going straight to Alternative. Too little to late, too greedy too despite their incompetence.
@@superspicysoysauce8231 GPT 4 truly raised MTL to another level entirely, it's hard to even notice that it's not an actual translation unless you play for a while. With some editing, you can get a decent translation in a week.
@@Tiasung The price, maybe there will no more prober English translate... they will just smash the MTL in (might be even without edit) and call it a day like some VN from POISON (dlsite) lol
Sounds to me like Age was flying way too close to the sun. Instead of tryingto break into an already oversaturated market with very little experience, they should've gone for crossovers. As a mix of Dating Sim and Mecha Battles, Muv-Luv could've fit in a wide variety of current gachas, including Nikke, Granblue, Honkai, and many more. I dunno if they really had a well-laid plan on continuing a story that from how I understand, is long concluded, or if this was a desperate attempt at staying relevant and making money, but yeah - the franchise is basically done for, regardless. It's either gacha hell or death, as some of the comments you showed put it.
This... This was Muv Luv's last chance or so i heard... So most likely we won't get the chronicles animated or the last chapter of day after... So sad to see my favourite franchise sink and die so horrible.
Unbelievable!! But this pretty much sums how is the current state of the gacha games, is not the first company to put all the eggs on the gacha genre basket, risking to lose it all in case of failure. In any case, I never heard about the muv-luv franchise, and now I'm very interested in playing/reading the firsts VN.
Holy cow, considering how rocky Nikke's launch was, I can't imagine trying to play a game near the beginning of the day and coming back after work or school and learning it's dead. I am so happy Nikke is where it is now. I just hope it sticks around for a long time.
"I don't think there's been a gacha game directly appealing to the mecha genre" Iron Saga look on in dissaproval, its a love letter to the mecha genre. There's also the SRW Gacha too, I guess.
@@charlotteshenkenberger345 Nah, shipgirls aren't mecha. That said, some of the AL girls (mostly Ironblood) get pretty Kaiju like with their riggings, which is hilarious.
One of the Muv Luv immortal player, already progressed a lot within 3 hours after it's release, just to be logged in once again with infinite maintenance works. 😅
I think this story shows that not everything needs to be a massive, expansive franchise. Sometimes just telling a story and leaving it at that is the best way to go. It’s better to end things on a high note than to drag it on and leave fans disappointed and frustrated. I do feel for the devs though, it must have been hell going through the effort of developing a game like that just for it to shut down in six hours. At least they were able to relaunch it
This was a fantastic video. I really enjoyed how you broke down the franchise as the start in a really digestible manner, BEFORE delving into the game itself. That kind of context is really important!
@@ghoulchan7525 you know how navigate back and forth in menus? Imagine having it load between all the menus, where you haven't really changed anything to warrent the miniloading.
Wasn't there a gacha game way back when, where it had this time loop mechanic thing? And it repeats the story but with different outcomes? It was the most unique thing I saw in a gacha game. Then the devs suddenly threw the game under the bus and ran away with the money or something like that. Gacha rates we're horrible too. 😅😅
I know it's not like THE topic of the video. But I have a deep seeded hatred for harems and I have no idea where the hatred came from. For as long as I can remember they've all just been unbearable trash to me. 😔
Takt. Op was just... Sad... The anime was good, the world building is interesting and the characters are likeable. But it took so long for the game to release that all that hype from the anime was just gone. Even though I liked the anime, I couldn't be bothered to play the game cause I'm just not that interested w/ it anymore. I've already moved on from the hype that I felt from the anime.
Please don't use the word "trap". It creates the idea that trans people are overall just trying to trick you. People can get this weird idea in real life. It puts actual people in danger.
@@junkyyard2273 Except it's still used with characters like Bridget and Ferris who are explicitly trans, and is more broadly used in otaku circles for any female character who was once a boy. And there is a very real problem of people claiming they were tricked or trapped by trans women (and sometimes gay men) into having sex with them to defend committing violence against them. Several US states and plenty of other places allow that defense to be used in court, so it's shitty to use that kind of language.
Well at least this Gacha got actually released even for only 6 hours. Company light tried to make a Gacha based on their Shinza Banshou Series (Paradise Lost, Dies Irae, KKK) called Dies Irae -Pantheon- and actually ended up cancelling the thing as their parent company went under. Well at least Dies Irae got translated to english but still. Screw Gacha games.
Well I never knew Muv LuV had a gacha. Not unexpected it would die fast. The railroaded story in alternative fucked things so badly that not even Alterd fable could fix the damage. Kinda stumbled along afterwards. So a gacha game wasn't going to fix anything. Another horrible "gacha" would be Breath of Fire 6. That was so bad it got boycotted by fans and shutdown fast. It's really sad to see old loved series get a mobile sequal just for the sole purpose burning to the ground.
Yeah, Muv Luv constantly failing to any new start. Failed TV-show, failed Gacha game. Well i dropped Muv Luv alternative after they added MC VA, who was annoying as hell, and after certain scene with teacher, killed all motivation to explore next, yeah also adding again main heroine, dropped my will to return to this franchise. Muv Luv just not time-proof, OP main protagonist with harem, who mostly just compain and cry, well it somehow realistic, but after certain times it's get too annoiyng.
Muvluv isn't as good as he (or fans) hype it up to be. VNs are a cool story-telling medium but the popular ones are all eroges and are mostly praised because they were subversive.
I didn't find that the rundown of the visual novel was relevant at all to the rest of the video lol. Also, I suppose it didn't "shut down", because it's still going today. I feel so click baited and time wasted for listening to an overview of a harem VN for no reason T-T I guess you earned my engagement through frustration, though, so.... congrats?
I did not think that I would see muv luv involved with something like this. Anything revolving this franchise is shit tbh but never underestimate the japanese audience, their taste is shittier.
Just found your channel, interesting and cool videos to be honest. It’d be really cool if you reviewed Arknights, personally my most favourite gacha game.
You can make seasons and seasons of it just by talking about anime adaptation gacha games, seasonal anime that got adapted from manga/LN only to launch their own gacha mobile game not long after
“Why did this bug get through? Because there was no testing.” What you mean to say is they were just like every other scumbag devs who couldn’t be assed to do the bare minimum to makes sure they had a viable product because they just wanted to shovel it out to start raking in money. Ain’t no ambiguity about it.
A critique: nothing you said in the plot summary of the original trilogy really affected the explanation of how the Gacha flopped (except for the "beta" joke). It would have been sufficient to bring up how it was incredibly popular and that it was mecha genre.
When I first saw Total eclipce it was definetelly new expirience in anime, I had never seen seemingly main characters cast to die almost entierly in a span of 5 minutes in most horrible ways possible
Gacha games are generally bad-of course, I am mostly talking about the profit model. As a AAA game dev the competition among gacha game devs looks insane to me, def a good thing for quality and free-to-play possibilities.
Reading it was a trip back then. The many sprites they made make it look like it's an anime. The only thing I'll say about Muv-Luv Alternative is that it's a regressor story, and it's great.
Interesting! Iron Saga is another mobile gacha. It's quite old at this point and not very popular I don't think, but it has its charm (and lots of collabs)!
> uses dead gacha game as an excuse to talk about muvluv nah ah. realized this after 3 minutes in. i aint listening or watching. alright i finished the vid. good vid
14:01 Oh! So that's why this Muv Luv live service game financially flopped so hard over that exploit tho-, no wonder it was shutdown 6 hours after launch
I feel like this is some weird bait and switch. Like wtf the game only got a rebrand after a year of hiatus and didn't actually hit EoS in 6 hours. Love live had an EN branch get announced AND EoS on the SAME TWEET!!! It is an interesting story, but I'm honestly disappointed by the title being an outright deception
If only the games I like would get revived like this... Cocktail Prince got their whole IP discarded, like it never existed, and Valkyrie Crusade is... well... with a gacha system like that in the modern day, it wouldn't make sense to come back . The rates were so low and pulls were so expensive that you were either a full-blown giga-whale, or you only got event cards/free-pull-ticket cards and spent all your gems on refreshes so you could rank in the events and timer resets for building. Kakupuri had more generous pulling income and better rates (especially when EoS was announced. you could basically infinitely pull and get all the cards you missed out on), but got killed because of Apple's changes to their store (the thing that got rid of 32 bit games. I'll never forgive them.)
Man, I remember this game. I actually was able to play it since I follow a lot of gacha channels on RUclips that promotes new mobile games. Although, I didn't understand Japanese, I did enjoy the gameplay and the art. I had no idea it was shutdown indefinitely since I could no longer login the next day.
Uggghhh this so so corny. We need to raise the age of consent; all the stuff from this side of the internet creeps me out. Even used “trap”. So ignorant on anything not related to scantly clad highschool girls and encouraging gambling amongst minors. Gacha is so disgusting, don’t even play with us and put the real topics in the title.
If you’re wondering why there’s a cursor in the visual novel footage, it’s because I used an AI upscaling tool to make the window above 480P, since the visual novel is ancient, and the cursor is a side effect that I can’t get rid of, unfortunately.
Also, I made a Discord server! You can join it here: discord.gg/c9wz9yJcA7
What a side effect lmao. Adding cursors into the video.
Also... It's got that old-school Code Geass artstyle...
@@IdOnThAvEaUsE69 Code Geass and Muv Luv, my two favorite franchises, still, I don't think the artstyle is nearly similar lol
@@upeo12 Think so? I think they've got the same old-school artstyle going for both of them. Both have the big eyes and other exaggerated features.
I'm not complaining tho, it's just not my cup of tea.
@@IdOnThAvEaUsE69 nah cuz remember Code Geass got them stickman proportions for the characters lol
Oh, btw the Project Mikhail game leaves early access on the 26-27th this month according to an update, and its getting (all?) its online stuff removed and turned into an offline only game.
They didn't even get a Persona 5 collab
I-impossible! Everyone got a Persona 5 and/or NieR collab!
Or even Nier Automata: 2B collaboration!
@@victrollin
Nikke even has collabs it _didn't_ get, such as not-Fischl and not-an-Azur-lane-character!
I heard they were going to announce it during their 7 hour anniversary.
They need to put Ryu in the game !
Love Live had the gall to release an EN gacha AND ANNOUNCE THE SHUTDOWN DATE IN A SINGLE TWEET.
To be fair, they have to do it since the JP version is shutting down as well
They wanted to rake in as much from their localization work as possible, imagine giving birth to a child and telling that kid when exactly they're gonna die
@@MrBangijalIt's a weirdly hilarious story to me, even WITH context
Imagine if it raked in a shit-ton of money from the ultimate FOMO and games only being online for a very short window of time became the norm.
*shudders*
It gets even worse when you remember that the eng and jp servers were supposed to release simultaneously... only for the eng server to get delayed up until the jp server was getting shut down... and for the eng server to only be up for 2 months...
Muv Luv fan: "Oh boy, a Muv Luv gatcha, I can't wait to play it after my shift ends"
This made me lol because there was someone in that position for sure
@@kc5946 The pain of a Muv Luv gatcha shutting down so fast is completely on brand for Muv Luv.
@@ZontarDow chomp chomp
....I did said that bruh....I been muv luv fan since kid...and I just can't believe it got shut down while I was away for a bit like bruh
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>Immortal
>6 Hours lifespan
Very fitting, if you consider the life-span of TSF Pilots in-universe lmao
What did they mean by this?
Because in universe, due to casualties, there is a superstition of 8 minutes of death that newbie pilots have to expect
If they survive it, only then are they considered real pilots
close enough
Immortals can live indefinitely. They are not invincible. You also have an extended life group like Nicolas Flamel, Billy the Kid, etc. Who were mortal, though were granted an extended life through some means. For Nicolas Flamel, it was the Sorcerers Stone.
Ok but shutting down in just 6 hours is crazy. That’s the duration of my school hours.
Mine goes to 8 and higher...
yall americans dont go to school at 8 and go back home at 17 pm!!?!?!
yeah
You could have spotted the game in the morning and be unable to play when you got home!
XD
Mine was just 4 hours 7:30 to 11:30
... spill bro, you just wanted to talk about muvluv
I'm glad tho, I've heard the talk about this years ago when I was still interested in reading VNs (before I stopped having time for that) so him giving an overview of it all without spoiling too much was great
And I respect him for it. Despite glowing reviews, it's still very much an underrated series still.
Hey i have context for a-lot of memes now so i am happy
I never even heard of it and it does sound interesting, I'm glad he gave all the context at the start
I mean, to be fair, I'm invested in muvluv now.
What's worse, shutting down in 6 hours or announcing EOS before the game even dropped (Love Live School Idol Festival 2 💀)
What
@@ogrim0 Love Live School Idol Festival 2 global server is announced that the game will eos at the same time as they announced the game itself. The reason is due to JP server is already eos before global version is finished developed I believe.
@@Darkriders100 JP server was still active at the time. In fact before the Global version start/termination date was announced, they announced the JP server was going to be EOS.
@@MeltedGeneral Thats.. what they said, fam.
I'm gonna go with the 6 hours, mostly because you aren't going in knowing the expiration date.
The only thing I know about MuvLuv is that one meme about "If you scream, I will choke you with my breast"
That's one way to go out 😅
I saw that meme!
Wait THATS where it originated?!
Cool.
@@fallenstars8775 Yeah, to be exact the meme picture is taken from the manga
That's muvluv? Lmaooo
I thought this was going to be about the Love Live spinoff that announced its end of service date before it even launched. But even that got two months of live time.
It afforded that 2 months life time due to over a decade of name recognition and build up from a very popular franchise, Muv Luv can afford no such luxery coming from a niche genre in an even nicher medium of visual novels
@@therranolleo468 Sounds like they need to change medium.
I didn't expect to hear muv luv again after nearly 20 years
INTERGRADE WILL COME THIS YEAR, TRUST THE PLAN
@@ohama4272 honestly at this point i am more excited about resonative, TDA was a lot better than i expected
@@jongwastaken so many weird codenames, what the heck is resonative and intergrade 🥺
@@upeo12 So basically TDA stands for "The Day After" which is a direct sequel to Muv-Luv Unlimited. It shows the aftermath of the "Alternative V" plan. Despite being a sequel, this should not be read before Muv-Luv Alternative.
TDA was released in an episodic manner, and currently there are four of these episodes released. The final episode was kinda in limbo for a while, until they re-announced it under the name "Muv-Luv Resonative".
Integrade on the other hand is a sequel to Muv-Luv Alternative, though not many details are known about its plot. We basically only have concept art of it at this point (in the form of a trailer), and a release date has not been announced yet.
Hope this clears it up :)
@@jongwastaken it does! Thank you, nice to meet a fellow MLA fan too
In an alternate timeline, it is Muv Luv Alternative that spawn dozens of light novels, mangas, video game spin off, billions of dollars earning gacha, anime done with care and love that can join the pantheon of mecha greats such as Gundam, Macross and Evangelion.
While Fate would be the one struggling to stay relevant and is drowned in the ocean of products on the theme of "historical legendary and mythical figures as cute girls".
Cope
@@shutup1037different timeline different expectations I suppose
I mean it is decently known in the vn sphere has had several anime and fairly well received manga and some videogames.
Theres a mech game on steam and even the mobile game hes talking about isnt actually gone they just took a few months to fix its issues before relaunching it under a different name and its been up for almost a year now.
Its not fate but its definitely not some obscure indie franchise.
Oh, haha I get it.
That will never happen if we have the same audiences. Mecha is always a niche genre even the all time great franchise like gundam isn't that big. Whereas selling sexy girl and historical figure is a way more relatable story than giant robot
No matter how bad Genshin and Fate fans think they got it, at least they aren't Muv Luv fans.
What if you're a fan of all 3?
@@TheRedJadex I'm sorry for your loss.
@@TheRedJadexwe gotta put you down. look at the bunny for me
Genshin fans are much worse 💀💀💀💀
@@kingbash6466 Dang that was me, although all of them are in the different stage of life (OG FSN VN fan, years later loving MLA, and then now casually playing Genshin).
Thankfully Genshin is the only one of those three where I play it as a gacha game, and even for Genshin I can already say that I'm playing it mostly just for music and story.
Ye they tried to be FGO 💀 I still cannot process how a modern gacha game tries to have a 1% drop rate for SSR in 2023
This reminded me of how Blazeblue tried to be fgo and failed in like under a year.
>Genshin and HSR at .6% base rates
@@Estheriamyes but they also have a pity system
And? The pity is also a really bullshit one with only a 50 percent chance to get the pity and if u fail the first u need to pity again let me tell ya it’s fucking put there just to drain ya of money as any other.
@@federicofilippini6780 fgo pity would like to visit your wallet soon 🥰
The muv luv VNs are masterpieces imo and after that they were unable to keep the franchise afloat, even the devs said if the gacha failed that was the end of the franchise (this was because they invested on NFTs and failed lol), personally I prefer to treasure the memories the franchise gave me instead of seeing it being desecrated.
Lol
Oh god, so they're really just selling out. That's disappointing.
The thing is they invest too much on anime industry rather than make another thing or focus on gacha game.
I mean the keycards sold well and didn't even end up being NFTs.
Ofc it's nfts.....
muv-luv girls got them geometric hairs.
It's kind of sad to see where Muv-Luv is now. From what I've read, the series deserved its praise. It's a shame that instead of the company investing in a standard video game, LNs, or other media, they chose a gacha game with no pity system post Genshin launch. It was doomed to fail. There's just way too nuch competiton and the bugs definitely didn't help. Its just sad to see.
still isn't as bad as baldr got...
It's poetic justice as far as I'm concerned. After Age restructured to form aNCHOR, they took the western publishing rights to Extra and Alternative away from Sekai Project/Denpasoft, instead opting to publish the western releases themselves. While that isn't bad on its own, Denpasoft offered R-18 patches for both games prior to aNCHOR's takeover. Once aNCHOR took over, they forced Denpasoft to take both patches down and refused to sell them themselves.
They deserved to suffer for that.
Not gonna lie, i got so intrigued with the visual novel story of how it went from typical rom-com visual novel and then went full into sci-fi that i forgot this was a video about a failed gacha game
13:47 LIMBUS COMPANY MENTIONED!!!!!!!
Bring the 300 lunacy
Ahh that’s why this has been recommended to me lol
😅
Pm sleeper agents detected lol
Glory to Limbus Company
God that currency issue is probably one of the second funniest ones I have heard. Only thing weirder for me was the one I personally experienced in one piece treasure cruise. And that happened twice in that game's history...
Like seriously the two times they messed up were big.
Yeah the moment I heard the game had an infinite money glitch everything made sense. I could just imagine the dev's faces upon learning about the exploit💀💀💀
What happened with TC?
Everytime people say visual novels are a dying game genre my mind always just thinks of ddlc and how hard it popped off
DDLC was a lightning in a bottle, a flash that's but a moment in the internet history
@@therranolleo468 a really bright flash at that
More luck than anything else tbh
@@therranolleo468 Then there's Danganrampa.
That's like one game......
apolgy for bad english
where were u wen muv luv die?
i was at school when the phone ring
“Muv luv is kill
“no”
“VN crazed during highschool”, you and me both. Aha….I played a bit too much secretly during comp.sci., intermedia art, music tech., and basically any class that has access to a PC during free time. Had pretty much all the popular VN on a flash drive. Got caught playing Saya no Uta, luckily on the non-spicy moment and especially not on some of the other titles.
if i got caught playing saya no uta that would pretty much be the end for me
@@gokiburi9 id be cooked
I looked up Saya no Uta after seeing this comment, and I can only ask what the hell was going through your mind to think you could read that in public.
13:47 PROJECT MOON MENTIONED
SLEEPER AGENT ACTIVE
I’m a goddamn sleeper agent. I saw Limbus Company and my head snapped to my tablet, immediately scrolling down to see the comments.
Do they know...?
Our power grows...
GLORY TO AYIN
Editing error: you called a gambling game "innocent" around 0:50. These shitty gambling fests are not innocent.
seeing the UN blue helmets in a early 2000s visual novel was a jumpscare
To add to the insanity of video the head dev for the first iteration of immortals was a literal who that kouki yoshimune (og creator and writer for muv luv) picked up from like a twitter thread after he said ¨yeah Id make a baller game instead of your last failure lol¨ and then proceeded to eat a horse meat ramen on releae date with the uma musume hashtag, this absolute failure was so full of himself he thought he had an uma killer in his hands.
I think Kouki by now is cursed to have anything he produced to be mediocre at best at first iteration, and only went better at the next iterations.
OG Trilogy of Muv Luv simply succeeded because his first iteration (Extra + Unlimited) actually sold pretty well and he used his entire fortune to finish the second iteration (MLA)
@@Masitu0031 , nope. Mr Kouki is the original creator of Muv Luv series.
The one that diss Uma Musume is the head dev of the EOS-ed Immortals
@@sakurakaslana8716 that clarifies it. Thank you.
I am perplexed by what that guy doing. Uma Musume Killer? Seriously? You can't kill another game if it has different gameplay lmao, since you know outside of gacha genre it can't be directly compared
You know this guy is a true fan when he can actually pronounce âge correctly.
Just a few corrections, this isnt the first gacha from the muv-luv franchise, there was another one years ago called Muv-Luv Alternative: Strike Frontier, which was set in an alternative reality were a important "unit" is different, was a really cool game, had a chibi artstyle for the in game models and a FGO style of gacha.
About Immortals, i was there playing it because i'm a massive fan of the franchise, the idea of the game was fine until you played it, it was kind of miserable, and actually make sense to be like that, Immortals was basically done by one person that had never done a full project before as far as i remember, thats why it took a year and a half to come back because a proper studio called Next Ninja came in the project to redo the whole game, it was kinda ugly, there was a video of the producer of the franchise and the developer apologizing that was really somber, i think its still up in the muv-luv japanese youtube channel.
The game right now is fine, they implemented the whole visual novel now in the game but it still feels like a cash grab, the story as far as i readed was not good, it was just disappointing, there were a lot of projects that rubbed the fans the wrong way in this period of time, like the NFT project as well as this gacha, and for some, the anime, but if that is the price to get Resonative, Integrate and Eurofront i would be fine.
I would have said that this was the last place that i would have thought that i see something muv-luv related, but i would be lying, it wouldnt even be on my mind, goated video.
Next Ninja actually worked on another lesser known gacha game called "Touhou lostword" which is a non canon spinoff of the touhou games that's....fine I guess?? There's better non canon licensed touhou gacha game spinoffs that are even MORE obscure (genso eclipse, that one rhythm game that shutdown and turned into a steam game) also the touhou community heavily despises touhou lostword because the writers of the visual novel parts thought heavily putting fanon into the game and marketing it as a "game where people who want to learn about touhou can play!" was a great idea but idk
Thanks for the clarification! I didn’t read anything other than the original trilogy, and I didn’t even know they tried an NFT project
@@Pseychie_NIKKE, I would definitely recommend giving the spin-offs a try. Especially the three main ones: The Day After, Total Eclipse and Schwarzesmarken (when (if) it get translated in English). They not quite stood up to the masterpiece that the original trilogy is, but they still great on its own.
Feels pretty nice to know a fellow âge fan remember Strike Frontier. And then there's also Next Answer before that.😂
We don't talk about next answer or strike frontier lol.
By the 10 minute mark I had completely forgotten this was about a gacha game. I was just enjoying the visual novel review.
As a VN fan who doesn't give a crap about Gachas It was nice to hear someone talk about the Muv Luv gacha, And one of many failed attempts for a vn company To go for the gachas money banks
But was also nice to hear songs from stuff like Subahibi and Kara no Shoujo, I can tell you were once a big story VN fan
That said while VNs are "technically" becoming less popular. There are still good stuff coming out with the last several years. In particular, we've been getting a lot of official translations of good stuff
Had to wait 20 years for Dies Irae and Muramasa translation.
And such comedic timing that mtl starting to get good enough around the same time that indies VN/rpgmaker game can get translation less than few months.
Muv Luv definitely can branch out of its VN Roots and diversify, like bruh there's still so much to explore in Alternative. Muv Luv failed solely because AGE is utterly incompetent.
Imagine waiting for more than a decade before creating an Anime Adaptation of Muv Luv, and then skipping Extra and Unlimited and just going straight to Alternative. Too little to late, too greedy too despite their incompetence.
@@superspicysoysauce8231 GPT 4 truly raised MTL to another level entirely, it's hard to even notice that it's not an actual translation unless you play for a while. With some editing, you can get a decent translation in a week.
@@superspicysoysauce8231 We finally have good mtl but at what price?
@@Tiasung The price, maybe there will no more prober English translate... they will just smash the MTL in (might be even without edit) and call it a day like some VN from POISON (dlsite) lol
Video starts at 09:43.
Hero
Sounds to me like Age was flying way too close to the sun. Instead of tryingto break into an already oversaturated market with very little experience, they should've gone for crossovers. As a mix of Dating Sim and Mecha Battles, Muv-Luv could've fit in a wide variety of current gachas, including Nikke, Granblue, Honkai, and many more.
I dunno if they really had a well-laid plan on continuing a story that from how I understand, is long concluded, or if this was a desperate attempt at staying relevant and making money, but yeah - the franchise is basically done for, regardless. It's either gacha hell or death, as some of the comments you showed put it.
This... This was Muv Luv's last chance or so i heard... So most likely we won't get the chronicles animated or the last chapter of day after... So sad to see my favourite franchise sink and die so horrible.
It hurts.
lol all they care about now is nft and ai.
it's almost fitting in a meta way, that this series ends in such a heartbreaking manner :') it hurts, man
Gacha is open rn and making money lol
The franchise died a long time ago. The ones running the show are very different people from the ones that made Muv Luv
Unbelievable!! But this pretty much sums how is the current state of the gacha games, is not the first company to put all the eggs on the gacha genre basket, risking to lose it all in case of failure.
In any case, I never heard about the muv-luv franchise, and now I'm very interested in playing/reading the firsts VN.
Holy cow, considering how rocky Nikke's launch was, I can't imagine trying to play a game near the beginning of the day and coming back after work or school and learning it's dead.
I am so happy Nikke is where it is now. I just hope it sticks around for a long time.
Man.. How i wish i can also play nikke because i downloaded it early only to realize my phone's screen size isnt enouh for it...
@@vanzeralltheway8638 You can play it on pc!
@@vanzeralltheway8638It's on PC too if you have a computer.
"I don't think there's been a gacha game directly appealing to the mecha genre"
Iron Saga look on in dissaproval, its a love letter to the mecha genre.
There's also the SRW Gacha too, I guess.
Super Robot Wars DD and X-Omega are/were amazing.
Isn't Azur Lane effectively a mecha-ish game? I mean, you collected anthromorptized (I think that's the right word) WW2 ships.
@@charlotteshenkenberger345 Nah, shipgirls aren't mecha. That said, some of the AL girls (mostly Ironblood) get pretty Kaiju like with their riggings, which is hilarious.
😬 Oh, I forgot how bad it used to be in Japanese media for transfems and crossdressers.
One of the Muv Luv immortal player, already progressed a lot within 3 hours after it's release, just to be logged in once again with infinite maintenance works. 😅
>Gacha game downfall vid
>Look inside
>Vn summary
I think this story shows that not everything needs to be a massive, expansive franchise. Sometimes just telling a story and leaving it at that is the best way to go. It’s better to end things on a high note than to drag it on and leave fans disappointed and frustrated.
I do feel for the devs though, it must have been hell going through the effort of developing a game like that just for it to shut down in six hours. At least they were able to relaunch it
I agree. Ending your first successful franchise neatly keeps the goodwill so they'll try your next franchise.
This was a fantastic video. I really enjoyed how you broke down the franchise as the start in a really digestible manner, BEFORE delving into the game itself. That kind of context is really important!
I frickin waited for Takt op. since the anime ended just to burned all my gacha currency and not get Cosette because the pity system frinkin sucks 😭😭
Was the story any decent?
@@ghoulchan7525story was decent. What was horrible was the UI and all the miniloading.
@@kosmosXcannon oof.
@@ghoulchan7525 you know how navigate back and forth in menus? Imagine having it load between all the menus, where you haven't really changed anything to warrent the miniloading.
Wasn't there a gacha game way back when, where it had this time loop mechanic thing? And it repeats the story but with different outcomes? It was the most unique thing I saw in a gacha game. Then the devs suddenly threw the game under the bus and ran away with the money or something like that. Gacha rates we're horrible too. 😅😅
I remember playing a Gacha game that resets every 7 in game days
That's Eternal City AKA Forever 7 Days. Man that was such a cool concept that got ruined
@@leroyjenkins2030 I remember how grindy that game was and how if you don't have the good characters, you're stuck in that loop lol.
took speedrunning to a whole new level 😂
5:00
Guy reads visual novels and when you listen to the BGM around here, you hear the one from SubaHibi. Absolute Legend.
I know it's not like THE topic of the video. But I have a deep seeded hatred for harems and I have no idea where the hatred came from. For as long as I can remember they've all just been unbearable trash to me. 😔
You gained my sub simply by mentioning Chaos;Child, Baldr Sky and Muv Luv lol. Awesome video
You read the Muv-Luv trilogy? I will follow you forever my man. 🤴
Takt. Op was just... Sad... The anime was good, the world building is interesting and the characters are likeable. But it took so long for the game to release that all that hype from the anime was just gone. Even though I liked the anime, I couldn't be bothered to play the game cause I'm just not that interested w/ it anymore. I've already moved on from the hype that I felt from the anime.
OH MAN, A GLIMSE AT THE PAIN THAT NEVER STOPS FOR THE MUV LUV FAN
Please don't use the word "trap". It creates the idea that trans people are overall just trying to trick you. People can get this weird idea in real life. It puts actual people in danger.
traps refer to boys who dress effeminately, not boys who transition to girls.
@@junkyyard2273 Except it's still used with characters like Bridget and Ferris who are explicitly trans, and is more broadly used in otaku circles for any female character who was once a boy. And there is a very real problem of people claiming they were tricked or trapped by trans women (and sometimes gay men) into having sex with them to defend committing violence against them. Several US states and plenty of other places allow that defense to be used in court, so it's shitty to use that kind of language.
7:39 No way, Oberon's battle theme???? Dude has a good taste B)
Well at least this Gacha got actually released even for only 6 hours.
Company light tried to make a Gacha based on their Shinza Banshou Series (Paradise Lost, Dies Irae, KKK) called Dies Irae -Pantheon- and actually ended up cancelling the thing as their parent company went under.
Well at least Dies Irae got translated to english but still.
Screw Gacha games.
I mean gacha games isn't why they went under lol.
Well I never knew Muv LuV had a gacha. Not unexpected it would die fast. The railroaded story in alternative fucked things so badly that not even Alterd fable could fix the damage. Kinda stumbled along afterwards. So a gacha game wasn't going to fix anything.
Another horrible "gacha" would be Breath of Fire 6. That was so bad it got boycotted by fans and shutdown fast. It's really sad to see old loved series get a mobile sequal just for the sole purpose burning to the ground.
In the end, explaining muv luv was not important at all. Glad I skipped it
They shut down as fast as Denmark surrender in ww2 which is crazy
Muv Luv alternative is not only a banger visual novel, but also has one hell of a banger song.
I feel baited since this was only "technically a shut down" case
Years, a rebrand, and no data carry over,
It still counts as a EOS.
For being in the apocolypse their hair look great, spotless fair skin and their cloths were perfect.
We don't have that in a normal running world.
Yeah, Muv Luv constantly failing to any new start.
Failed TV-show, failed Gacha game.
Well i dropped Muv Luv alternative after they added MC VA, who was annoying as hell, and after certain scene with teacher, killed all motivation to explore next, yeah also adding again main heroine, dropped my will to return to this franchise.
Muv Luv just not time-proof, OP main protagonist with harem, who mostly just compain and cry, well it somehow realistic, but after certain times it's get too annoiyng.
I think I've been tricked into learning about Muv Luv as a whole when I just wanna learn about why a gacha game went EoS after 6 hours.
Skill issue
Man I must not be the target audience for VNs because despite the praise muvluv looks absolutely awful 🤣
Muvluv isn't as good as he (or fans) hype it up to be. VNs are a cool story-telling medium but the popular ones are all eroges and are mostly praised because they were subversive.
I didn't find that the rundown of the visual novel was relevant at all to the rest of the video lol. Also, I suppose it didn't "shut down", because it's still going today. I feel so click baited and time wasted for listening to an overview of a harem VN for no reason T-T
I guess you earned my engagement through frustration, though, so.... congrats?
- VN
- Japan
- compare to Fate series
It's P0rn isn't it?
I did not think that I would see muv luv involved with something like this. Anything revolving this franchise is shit tbh but never underestimate the japanese audience, their taste is shittier.
Just found your channel, interesting and cool videos to be honest. It’d be really cool if you reviewed Arknights, personally my most favourite gacha game.
way too many whitewashed characters in all these gatchas
Did not expect a section dedicated to Muv Luv VN but it is a surprise I am all for! Nice to see some surprise VN content, since I myself is a fan.
I completely forgot I was watching a video on a gacha game 😭
A video series on obscure/forgotten gacha games would be good
You can make seasons and seasons of it just by talking about anime adaptation gacha games, seasonal anime that got adapted from manga/LN only to launch their own gacha mobile game not long after
Holy fuck, the set up for this video was longer than the damn game.
Too bad. I actually like the alternative Timeline
>3 titles.
TOPKEK
But, yeah, Age has really gone downhill in recent years. Just the new 'collector box' recently released is abysmal.
“Why did this bug get through? Because there was no testing.” What you mean to say is they were just like every other scumbag devs who couldn’t be assed to do the bare minimum to makes sure they had a viable product because they just wanted to shovel it out to start raking in money. Ain’t no ambiguity about it.
Game : immortal
After 6 hours
Me : not anymore 😜🤣😂
A critique: nothing you said in the plot summary of the original trilogy really affected the explanation of how the Gacha flopped (except for the "beta" joke). It would have been sufficient to bring up how it was incredibly popular and that it was mecha genre.
if you want straight to the point skip to 10:49
When I first saw Total eclipce it was definetelly new expirience in anime, I had never seen seemingly main characters cast to die almost entierly in a span of 5 minutes in most horrible ways possible
Gacha games are generally bad-of course, I am mostly talking about the profit model. As a AAA game dev the competition among gacha game devs looks insane to me, def a good thing for quality and free-to-play possibilities.
You know, when converted to real-time expectency of a gacha game, Immortals lasted way shorter than a newbie TSF pilot would last in the battlefield
Honestly, I think age should try getting back to their roots with classic VNs with good writing
Reading it was a trip back then. The many sprites they made make it look like it's an anime. The only thing I'll say about Muv-Luv Alternative is that it's a regressor story, and it's great.
A game to rival Concord
Interesting! Iron Saga is another mobile gacha. It's quite old at this point and not very popular I don't think, but it has its charm (and lots of collabs)!
> uses dead gacha game as an excuse to talk about muvluv
nah ah. realized this after 3 minutes in. i aint listening or watching.
alright i finished the vid. good vid
With a name like Beta they seems oddlly overpowered.
14:01 Oh! So that's why this Muv Luv live service game financially flopped so hard over that exploit tho-, no wonder it was shutdown 6 hours after launch
What an insane story.
Nice use of Oberon and Outer Wilds music btw 👍
I feel like this is some weird bait and switch. Like wtf the game only got a rebrand after a year of hiatus and didn't actually hit EoS in 6 hours. Love live had an EN branch get announced AND EoS on the SAME TWEET!!! It is an interesting story, but I'm honestly disappointed by the title being an outright deception
I love how you've just expanded out to talk about Gacha games in general now
10:54 the real story starts here
If only the games I like would get revived like this... Cocktail Prince got their whole IP discarded, like it never existed, and Valkyrie Crusade is... well... with a gacha system like that in the modern day, it wouldn't make sense to come back . The rates were so low and pulls were so expensive that you were either a full-blown giga-whale, or you only got event cards/free-pull-ticket cards and spent all your gems on refreshes so you could rank in the events and timer resets for building. Kakupuri had more generous pulling income and better rates (especially when EoS was announced. you could basically infinitely pull and get all the cards you missed out on), but got killed because of Apple's changes to their store (the thing that got rid of 32 bit games. I'll never forgive them.)
COCKTAIL PRINCE MENTIONED OUGGHH
@@spinosaurus2001 OH MY GOD NO WAY... THERE'S OTHERS LEFT!? WHERES YOUR SETTLEMENT??? WHO IS YOUR LEADER??!?!? DO YOU HAVE THE APP STILL??!?!?!?!????
Me listening to it in the background.
*Oberon theme plays*
*Tabs in. Leans forward, interested*
Man, I remember this game. I actually was able to play it since I follow a lot of gacha channels on RUclips that promotes new mobile games.
Although, I didn't understand Japanese, I did enjoy the gameplay and the art. I had no idea it was shutdown indefinitely since I could no longer login the next day.
Uggghhh this so so corny. We need to raise the age of consent; all the stuff from this side of the internet creeps me out. Even used “trap”. So ignorant on anything not related to scantly clad highschool girls and encouraging gambling amongst minors. Gacha is so disgusting, don’t even play with us and put the real topics in the title.
Wow this was a great video! Thank you for introducing me to the Muv-Luv!
Read the trilogy my dude, it's awesome
I love weird visual novels so muv lov sounds rlly fun tbh... i haven't played a visual novel in AGES, might give that one a shot tbh
Muv Luv being mentioned at least let’s go 😭
Gacha games are gambling without the possibility to earn money.