INTEL VS AMD: Which Is Best In 2023?
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- Опубликовано: 17 ноя 2023
- Hello all, today we are taking a look at the age old subject of INTEL VS AMD!
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AMD Main PC
Windows 10 Revi OS
1440p 270HZ Acer Monitor (With Backlight Strobing)
RTX 4090 3030Mhz core + 1200Mhz Mem, 450Watt Power Limit
7800X3D (2133FCLK, Per Core Undervolt)
360MM Cooler Master AIO (6 fans push pull, Noctua NT-H2 thermal paste)
DDR5 7800Mhz CL34 (with tuned subtimings)
X670E Asus Crosshair Gene Mobo
1350 Watt Thermaltake PSU
Cooler Master H500 Mesh Case (white)
3 Terabytes of NVME SSD's
Intel Main PC
14900K 24 Core CPU
360 AIO Galahad Trinity Performance White
32GB DDR5 8200Mhz CL 36 48 48 48
Z790 Apex Encore
1000Watt EVGA PSU
1TB NVME SSD
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Great video as always keep up the hardwork you do and keep posting! we all appreciate it!
Apart from synthetic MW3 benchmarks - have you done actual gaming benchmarks? Would be interessting to see the actual FPS.
Man please give us more content about 7950x3d
What is your final settings for 7950x3d to achieve hieghest perfirmance???
Hey i have a question, i own a 13900k and mainly play mw3 wz. I set the PL1 and 2 to 253 watts and i have 10 fans , a 360mm aio and a cpu contact frame. In game my cpu is at 220-230 watts constant and my temps range from 72-78. btw the cpu is undervolted -0.05000. My question is, is that normal? I have constant Packet burst and my case fans reach 2000 rpm, its hella loud (LianLi fans and Software). Gpu is rx6950xt pure +..
Hey hope you are doing well. How to properly set up a ryzen 7 7800x3d? Will be buying parts by next week
Here because of Framechasers, didn't know you did consults. Maybe he'll do a shoutout for you.
Dude, I have seen some people getting banned on his stream by only saying "what do you think about Beefy Tech"
Lol he bans people that talk about "competition" so yeah. I personally think a bit of friendly back and fourth with other RUclipsrs is fun because it drives views and brings attention to topics, but he will indeed just ignore me so it's okay🤣
I love the 7950x3d, maybe because I like tweaking it to my hearts content. I love full control of my system and because of what it offers. Although, I feel like for the average user who does not want to tweak and wants everything to work out of the box, the 7800x3d is the way to go. I’m certain once AM6 or whatever it’s called is out, the “issue”with the 7950x3d will be streamlined and fixed across the board. It’s very subjective about the 7950x3d I think it’s an awesome chip but it just requires extra steps to get working fully.
I agree, it took quite some time to get my 7950x3d to where I'm happy with it, but now I love it.
that's exactly the problem, i don't mind tweaking with my system, but the average consumer, even a lot of enthusiasts just want to plug n play the new cpu, update bios and call it a day, having to do tweaking, searching for a specific bios, then bios settings so the cpu runs properly, and still being somewhat unstable if something wasn't done properly or you got bad silicon, when getting a non 3D one, or the 7800X3D, or an intel chip requires little to no input after updating bios.
yo beefy i have a weird issue happening when i disable 1/2 my ccds on my 7950x3d my mw3 gets way more fps but keeps crashing why is it only for mw3 and no other games?
Great video! I just got my 7800x3d, I was wondering if you can share some insights on how to setup an and system correctly?
Honestly it's all down to getting the right settings down. Install latest bios and chipsets, do the usual bios stuff you'd do, install revi OS playbook to full debloat windows, then use balanced power profile + config file for cod.
For 7950x3d the extra step is process lasso + setting prefer cache in bios.
Balanced power profile for the 7800X3D? Not high or bitsum? Have you tested this on cpu-bound games? Not saying it is wrong, i just like to know.@@Beefy-Tech
I would love a screenshot of your timings on the 7800x3d. Using a A die kit and it took some work getting 6200 cl30 to work. Stock expo 6000 would constant bsod. Using a crosshair hero mobo.
It comes down to IMC, bios version, and motherboard. I have the full timings in my 6400 Vs 7800mhz video posted a short while ago.👍
Pardon my ignorance, but what kind of tweaks does the 7950X3D
what do you think about AM5 motherboards? I'm looking for a mini-ITX motherboard to pair with 7800x3d or 8000x3d-something (in the future), I need really good cooling since it's going to be in a small case (
I'm not familiar with Mini-itx boards personally. I've used a Asus X670E Gene, MSI B650 Edge WiFi, and an Asrock X670E Steal legend. My favourite board ATM is the Gene, but it has some audio crackling issues when using the Digital audio which kindof sucks...but given it overclocks the best I'm willing to forgive it 😂
@@Beefy-Tech jesus, even PC motherboard audio crackles, wth
So, have you already tested to set the none vcache chiplet of the 7950X3D to 5050 max? Solved my problems with the chiplets in gaming.
I ended up switching right after trying that. It worked well but I was using process lasso along with limiting second ccd to 5050, so I couldn't really tell a difference in how it worked long term. Overall, I'd say it could be a decent solution ontop of using lasso with it.
@@Beefy-Tech Well if you already use Lasso, I don't see much of a reason to also limit the speed of the none vcache chiplet in the bios of the mobo? Or why one would still use Lasso if the chiplet is already limited?
I'd be curious if you could test the 14900k with the ecores disabled as that is a very popular for gaming.
I tried and in cod it was way worse actually...so much so it was scary🤣 think it's a -30 in the averages outright.
Well that kind of sucks, thanks for testing that.
Would it be possible to mimic APO by using Process Lasso to use only 1 e core per cluster as well as the 8 p cores? So 4 e cores enabled. It looks like that is what APO does based on core usage graphs in the games that support it. That might be interesting and I haven't seen anyone else try it. @@Beefy-Tech
Is the 7950x3d worse than the 7800x3d when it comes to dips ?
I want to build a all-in-one rig for gaming, editing, productivity and idk which one to choose for overall performance…
7950x3d only dips terribly when set up improperly...the 7800x3d even when set up improperly will still mostly work. Basically 1% lows won't differ much on them, it's based on how they are set up.
@@Beefy-TechI get it but didn’t u switch to 7800x3d on ur main? From 7950x3d?
Can you please show us how to set up the 7800x3d for MW3?
7800x3d/7900xtx
I have a 4090 (founders), the 5800x3d, but still on DDR4 ( 32gb Royal Trident CL14 3600). My 1% lows are awful. I tried downloading PBO2 to undervolt but the program won't open for me? (maybe my mobo doesn't like it?) any recommendations? I was seriously considering switching to Intel on DDR5 just to increase 1% lows but now you're making me second guess that idea... help?
The intel 1% lows are better but you need to get a tachyon or apex mobo to assure that top notch performance. I'd say the 7800x3d is perfectly reasonable in 1% lows so if you want the easiest upgrade solution, go 7800x3d.
Thanks! I have been learning for the last 2 years and getting better at building and OC'ing, but still far from an expert. I may just go 7800x3d, any recommendations for my current CPU? I have watched some of your previous 5800x3d videos and I'm not getting anywhere near the frames you pull (on warzone I get between 180-220 but a lot of ups and downs)@@Beefy-Tech
Nice and informative one as always, I'm living with Amd these days(7800X3D), and your absolutely right, it's a wallet friendly compared to the performance gained, and tbh I like your channel content, since I'm spending a lot of time on overclocking my ram kit and I'm not a pro one in terms of the secondary timings, but I wonder if you have tried to miss with BCLK because I found it interesting, I mean you know many boards out there including mine> ROG Strix B650-A
OCing the BLCK can def be beneficial and a good way of squeezing some more Mhz out of your chip. I did the same on my x370 board with a 5800x3D that everyone said couldn't be OCed. But I managed to get my BLCK to 105 which gave me around 300Mhz more on the base clock.
@@Isaiiahii Wow, that's nice and scary as well xD, for how long you've been running your stuff like that?
I don't have that system anymore as I upgraded almost a year ago. I gave that system to my nephew and he runs it at stock settings. I ran it as stated for a couple months. @@Rochi7
And incase of you have a particular method to make you fell it is safe plz let me know and thank you for sharing your experience.
Just monitor your temps and it should be fine. As long as your PC boots up and runs okay the worst that can happen is it's unstable and will cause crashes. You can run stability tests like prime95 to make sure it's running stable.@@Rochi7
As a future 7950x3d buyer,can I ask you to make a "definitive"guide on setting up the 7950x3d?
Would be ideal, but what's funny is so many ways to set it up, I'd probably have to try all of em and see which truly is the best🤣
@@Beefy-Tech please do it
That would be an interesting ved
I just got the 7900xtx it gave me a big boost in fps compared to my 6950xt the only Issue I'm having now is my 5800x3d is slowing it down and bottlenecks the gpu I'm gonna try to build my first pc soon and I'll be upgrading to the 7800x3d and I'll hopefully be able to oc that pretty good as I like learning how to make my pc as fast as I can
I got 350 avg fps with that combo on the mw3 benchmark.
My buddy gets almost the same benchmark score but 100 more fps in game. Benchmark appears broken. I plan to wait til the next cpu comes out. Get the older cheaper one
What do you think about Frame Chasers? Every video from him is contra AMD and pro Intel :D
I just swaped from the 7800x3d, mainly because of stutters in a variety of games (FPS). I tried almost everything i could found related to this "issue" without success. RAM: 6000cl30, GPU:RTX4080.
Now I'm running i7 14700k with 7200cl34 and I can say 0.1% are indeed higher as well as temperature and power consumption, average fps are lower but then I play on 3440x1440 @144hz so I don't acually need the average fps to be at 300-400 fps since I am limited by my monitor and also by the GPU.
Windows on the ryzen also seemes "laggy" sometimes, maybe that also help with my decision to switch to blue team.
Even the 7800x3d suffers from a stupid mandatory setup method to function well, but fourtantely doesn't require process lasso. Your decision isn't wrong as you shouldn't have to struggle to set it up like that in the first place, so I understand 🤣
You mentioned in the video that one should set up their AMD (mainly talking about 7800x3D here) system properly, could you make a setup guide for that?
The stutter story came from Ryzen 3000 chips at the beginning of Warzone back in 2020. Persisted into Ryzen 5000 with about 75% of the issue fixed. Only game that was unplayable was Jedi Survivor at launch, 1% dips to 17 FPS while 13900K was about 65 FPS. Patch fixed that though
Yup... The whole dual CCD allocation issue was also huge as most people didn't tweak anything to make sure ccds wouldn't swap mid games. I had a 5900x and tons of issues due to that ccd bleed that'd eventually happen and cause terrible performance until a restart in warzone 1.
All that is easily fixable with process lasso today luckily lol.
@@Beefy-Tech The Stutter story is also being immortalized by Jufes (FrameChasers) because this dude hates on AMD 24/7. He does it because his consults are all Intel based (AMD barely needs consults, is more plug and play) so he keeps spamming the internet that "AMDips".
Truth is, for Call of Duty games the 7800x3d has an amazing performance for high refresh rate and doesn´t need a 600€ Ram Kit to work well.
I have a 13900k and 7900 xtx and in 1080 p my 1 percent lows on the benchmark are 98 every time an explosion goes off it dips idk if it’s the cpu or gpu I’ve tried so many different settings and plugged in a different gpu and still does it but no one else seems to be having this issue with intel on this game
Disable resizeable bar within the config file fam. Intel has issues with rebar in cod ATM and you must disable Rebar to fix it.
To disable rebar, find your options.4.cod23 file and then go to the options "GPU UPLOAD HEAPS" and type in "False"
@@Beefy-Techi think i found the reason for constant stutters i love u
Hey what's your average FPS on the 14900k on mw2 benchmark?
ATM I only have the results shown in video at 470avg at 5.7ghz + DDR5 8200mhz.
@@Beefy-Tech That's very good, I'm currently averaging 405 FPS on my 13900k
DDR5 6800
3 cores at 6 and the rest at 5.5
how? with dlss on or off?
@@hurubi I'm just talking about the average FPS on mw2 in game benchmark feature, everything on low settings
speaking of this, I have been seeing that intel systems are getting screwed by rebar with its 1% low in mw3. my average FPS with rebar on is 261 with a 1% low of 149 and my average fps with rebar off is 249fps with 190 as a 1% low. also noticed there’s 0% bottleneck on the cpu with rebar off and 12% with it on. is it better if i play with rebar off or do i stick with the higher averages? this test was made on a 4090 13900k duo on 4k resolution
Yup... Rebar off is significantly better on any CPU in cod it'd seem, but Rebar ON full-blown breaks the benchmark for a lot of intel users.
@@Beefy-Tech do you think those low 1% lows with rebar on is the reason I get micro stutters here and there?
@@yazannajjar1719very very likely fam. Give it a try with it Off and let me know if it's better👍
@@Beefy-Tech it is definitely better!
I have the 7800X3D and it does have worse 1% lows on some of the games I play vs. the 13900k. In sim racing games like iRacing and ACC it is amazing and never dips, but on games like Rust and Squad it does stutter and skips some frames when thing get messy. I've seen as low as 40 fps 1% on constant 140 avg no matter how I set it up, however, these are very unoptimized games. I'm not gonna complain much because I'm coming from a 5600x
Yup. I do also believe as the AM5 platform evolves, ram support will become better whichll slowly inch the 1% lows of it higher and higher.
buna. locuiesc in anglia momentan si sunt si eu fan de tunat pc-uri dar vin din romania. am incercat i5 13th gen cu 4080-ul carel am dar nu mai placut din cauza temperaturilor. joc pe 360hz dar si acolo atingea 80-105c, asa ca am zis ca voi incerca 7800x3d-ul stiind cat de bun mia fost inainte de 13600k, 5800x3d care lam avut. voi folosii ghidul tau. poate o sa comentez din nou daca ma ajuta! bafta oricum cu yt, si da ma uit si eu la framechasers lol
7800X3D e super, si e extrem de usor de tinut la rece, deci il recomand👍 mult noroc
@@Beefy-Tech e incredibil. Sub 80 de grade under load si 600fps locked in ov 2. Exact car vroiam. Doar singura chestie e ca am niste micro stutters uneori. Stii de unde poate sa for asta?
Hey man if you look at channels like frame chasers he recommends intel over AMD for mw3. What are we suppose to think of that?
If you buy Apex Z790 or Tachyon Z790, DDR5 8000+, and a 13900KS or 14900K, and know how to tune it, go intel.
If you plan to do any other setup on intel other than that, don't you'd be wasting your time.
Framechasers himself recommends those exact parts, and I fully agree it's the only proper way to get max performance from intel.
If that's too expensive and hard to achieve, go cheap 7800x3d build instead... Better averages, lower 1% lows but half the price.
@@Beefy-Tech well fk i have a 14900k/apex/8000 ddr5 gskill and I dont get the same performance as you on 7800x3d. I get 365fps avg on the benchmark
@@hurubi I highly recommend you run windows 11 version 23H2 and apply revi OS playbook on that windows install. Ontop of that, make sure you disable REBAR for call of duty mw3 as it's currently bugged out and not working well at all!
thank you@@Beefy-Tech
@@Beefy-Tech Holy crap I just disabled REBAR and it made a massive difference in my 1% lows THANK YOU. But I have to reinstall windows for revi OS :(
Great video mate, now please do AMD vs NVIDIA.
Lol that video would be me shitting on AMDs performance and nvidias prices for 10 minutes straight... basically I recommend nvidia over AMD 8/10 times... But, AMD still is great, it just requires way more attention than Nvidia which just works.
@@Beefy-Techhaha would be an entertaining video for sure now that you tell me that 😂
I have 7950x3D
With Asus rig strix 4090 OC LC
Someone tell me about the boot time issues with am5. I keep hearing about how it takes 5 minutes to boot up every time and the core parking issues with 7950x3d which is deterring me from buying it at the moment.
mine's like 15 secs to windows
I believe boot time issues with am5 is from the memory because 7000 series does not really go well with high frequency (over 6000mzh) memory (That is what I heard, I don't own any am5 CPU/MBO to test it myself)
@@ANTIANONIMI it also depends on board brand. I saw a test and Gigabyte had by far the fastest boot tines
@@JohnnyEMatos Ngl I forgot about the motherboard. Since motherboard are different from brand to brand, that is a good point.
What motherboard, ram and timings?@@JohnnyEMatos
just got 7500F with 6000 CL 15 memory. Peak usage 50W with temperatures not exceeding 65C on full load (DR4 Cooler). This little beast is maintaning 100fps for 1%low fps in Warzone, can I ask for more? Not for this price range.
Disclaimer: CPU is massively tweaked ( 200mhz boost override on PBO and -37 Curve Optimizer offset on all cores)
how can you acheive 6000 cl 15? its literally not possible.
@@flaxe6735 sorry, a typo of course its 6000 CL30 :)
framchasers did another video about amddip, 1% low from 229 to 90 fps as he moved his mouse ???
Hes using 8khz on a bloated install of windows
He has the narrative that intel good amd bad so he can continue to sell 500 dollar overclocking services and 1000 dollar bundles to his echochamber and what ever streamer thats getting scammed by all the other twitter "optimizers"
I think the 7950x3D is the best consumer grade CPU in the world if you know how to set it up and get the right RAM and manually configure the timings. I understand that all that can be intimidating to most, but it wasn't designed for most.
And if you want a 7800x3D with no fuss, just disable the second CCD and you have a 7800x3D. If you need the extra cores, then reenabled them.
But the difference in most games between the 7800x3D and 7950x3D is very small, so there really isn't ever a need to disable the second CCD. I think so many of us have become FPS chasers to a degree that we forget the difference between 300fps and 280fps isn't really a big deal. Once you hit a certain number you really don't feel it anymore.
P.S. I think the 7950x3D will improve at handling the CCD's correctly overtime as drivers are improved. It sucks that software limits our hardware to the degree it does, but it is what it is.
I love the 7950x3d but the fact it depends on software makes it have a big weakness when it comes to consistency as only 1 in 10 people do all the setup steps properly with it... Basically meaning most people don't have it set up correctly
I personally got tired of tuning my RTX 4090 + 7950X3D system all the time. Even updating chipset drivers of the mobo sometimes f'ed up the use of the right chiplet again. I have just set the max speed of the none Vcache chiplet to 5050. That way the vcache chiplet will always be given priority. In practice even when I use all cores for serious work, it makes not much of a difference since all core boost clocks don't go so high anyway.
@@Beefy-Techto second that how many people update game bar in the windows store regularly
I saw a video of a guy saying to do that to make games use the 3d-cache CCD, but my ASRock board doesn't have that setting--which sucks because I paid $500 for this board, but whatever. I haven't had any major issues with this board, but I have noticed it is missing features that other boards have.@@nossy232323
7950x3d its actually the worst amd cpu since 3rd gen ryzen probably. Its just a moneygrab with amd forcing you to buy non3d ccds to have access to 5250 boosts on the 3d ccd. There is literally no point for this cpu to exist. 7950 should've been kept for 'multitasking & some gaming' and a better binned with higher boost/unlocked multiplier 8core for gaming.
finally, whois best amd or intel for gsmes )?
Amd 1000%
You can get 7600 ddr5 on a $300 board and lose very little performance. Also theres no need to overclock the core clock on intel you can just undervolt it. You can just get most of the performance from ram tuning.
I got a 4090 with 7800x3d but im playing on 1080p 360hz can you help me optimize my 7800x3d
Thats a crimes playing on that resolution with ur setup man. Treat urslev a 300-360 1440p u will see a night n day difference and never go back
great vid on this topic.
framechasers has irked me for a long time with his subpar amd tunes, extremely expensive consult and overall is just an incredibly selfish and abrasive person. he'll ban on every platform available if you ever achieve better performance on an amd system and swear to you that his fucking 9600k oc'd to 4.4ghz will run faster than a 7800x3d, which is total and utter nonsense in just about everyway. and above all, if you have a problem with him he'll just call you a weirdo. just an absolute child with no capability of reflection.
i don't think he's wrong about everything he says of course. dual ccd amd chips sucked in warzone for a long time, zen 2 was absolutely overhyped in gaming by the mainstream, 1% lows in certain games are worse on amd systems, etc. tuned intel systems ARE awesome... it's just the new amd systems when properly tuned aren't really that far off either, and you DON'T need to get the best motherboard and memory for a lot of AMD platforms. but whatever, aida64 opens like 3 seconds slower on ryzen, so intel is clearly way better in everyway!
anyway, i appreciate you and your work in the niche ocing hardware space. cool to see system optimizers who aren't just scammers or aren't total sleezebags like framechasers.
To be fair dual ccd amd CPUs are still somewhat quirky and hard to work with, but they aren't a broken platform that doesn't work by any means indeed! Literally any dual ccd CPU can be fixed with any affinity setting program...and you don't need to affinity the whole PC as some would suggest...only the game launches and that's it lol.
I’d love to connect further with you today if you have a moment
Definetly a slayyy moment
I watched it till the end
Thanks fam🙌
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Lol
in my experience Intel way more stable, thats a lot more important, and plenty fast too
Intel
Amd don't sutters aside from the GPU it dips fps and it's annoying
Frame Chaser is an entertaining troll. For someone who tweaks systems, ge refuses to tweak/setup an AMD system correctly to prevent AMDips. Yes, AMDips do not occur if the 7950x3d properly setup.
To be fair, 7950x3d gets awesome scores but to get there...it's a funny process🤣 there's like 7 different steps that must be taken in a perfectly correct order, but when done right it functions great.
amd win
For the algo, this dip nonsense needs to stop
Amen to that 😊
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Spot on.
How about some proper testing with frame time graphs ?
@lechf Agreed. I would like to see footage of both systems doing the same several minute benchmarks, perhaps using CapFrameX, so it actually provides a percentage number that shows how much stuttering is present. Would be interesting content.
Buy intel find out buy amd find out
Lol we live in that type of a market, buy anything and find out🤣🤣🤣
AMD must fix their dips problem.
Explain
@@JagsP95ask AMD their CPUs have terrible stuttering issues
@@Decki777 he asked you, since you made the statement. what made you think that is the case while watching this video?
Windows 10 is faster, dont fall for the w11 scheduler bullshit, easily -5 to 10% less performance
just HT OFF + E-CORE ON, RING + CORE OC = ez 500+
Windows 11 23H2 + Revi OS applied is actually on par or better in every regard. I only tried it recently too, and it's the first time I've seen W11 win in gaming outright. The key is to have version 23H2 and Revi OS applied together! Give it a shot if you have time and let me know how it is. I've also been using W10 Revi OS until now and it's been the best, but as of 23H2, W11 has come ontop.
How much better performace does the RevoOS give@@Beefy-Tech
@@Beefy-Tech I was bored so I decided to try this yesterday, around 10-15% slower depending on the game compared to my debloataed W10. 23H2 clean install + Revi OS like you mentioned, 13900KS + 4090.
@@Yahfz to be fair, I was mostly comparimg W10 22H2 Vs W11 23H2 as I didn't realize W10 had the update too. I'll check it out so I can fairly compare it.
Currently though, the highest ever CPU score I've ever seen on Warzone 2 comes directly from a W11 23H2 + revi OS install, at 601 average FPS for the MW3 benchmark with a golden bin 7950X3D and DDR5 8000 CL32 kit.
@@Beefy-Tech have you tried w11 ghost spectre?