Full podcast episode: ruclips.net/video/Qyrjgf-_Vdk/видео.html Lex Fridman podcast channel: ruclips.net/user/lexfridman Guest bio: Sam Harris is an author, podcaster, and philosopher.
Sam clearly has a dog in this fight as he is Jewish and was triggered by someone expressing their disdain for jews... forgetting that the jewish community has the nerve to insist that they are the 'chosen ones' based on the ridiculous claim that God himself told them so, while criticizing Kanye for claiming to be a creative genius. (I would ask Sam as a jew, who is more delusional and egocentric, when you believe your own press (the bible) and for thousands of years push the self serving agenda that God himself decided that of all the people on the planet, that the jews are the 'chosen ones' and in the process offending everyone else by labeling them as inferior... one would have to ask who is the 'asshole' that needs to rethink WHY they have been hated for centuries, by so many, all over the world.
Lex's interview was 1000x better than any of the other interviews/coverage of Kanye. Lex was the only person who treated Kanye as a person. Lex both helped Kanye elaborate and explain his positions, as well as challenging them.
He gaslighted him though Kanye asked for help lex said I will then backtracks then says I don’t know anything about the situation you are in then when Kanye says what should I do lex was concerned of not getting a black man to apologize Kanye wanted to talk about black issues or issues that impact them more 😅
It's sad how low Harris has become. The dude smells his own farts after thousands call him an intellectual for saying nothing except slow, verbose word salad.
Hi Lex. One of the things I admire about you is that you trust your audience to critically evaluate guests / ideas. I do not believe it is your responsibility to carefully filter the information that us smooth brained plebeians are exposed to.
And Lex is a G for reading comments and ruminating on them. Most people say "ignore those" Lex knows his greatest growth comes from his biggest critics 💪 Keep at it brother!!!
It’s his responsibility to not platform people who espouse hate and antisemitism when he knows the climate is such that no amount of his “love and empathy” will override the behavior of certain loose cannons that follow Kanye’s words like gospel. It’s not how it’s perceived by Lex’s audience that’s concerning, but rather the minds of the dangerous and unstable few who feed off social media snippets of Kanye spouting off with impunity.
i've always said Sam's achilles heal is that he believes he can win the world with intellectual arguments. he can reason with the best of them, but he's got nothing for anyone when it comes to their emotional nature, and doesn't believe in a spiritual nature. You have to reach people on all levels of their humanity to actually inspire transformation. That's what Lex is talking about. If you want people to understand your message, then fine, make your intellectual appeal only. If you want them to accept your message, you'd better start figuring out how navigate the issues going on in their heart
@@nans787 from Sam's book "Waking Up": "Our minds are all we have. They are all we have ever had. And they are all we can offer others." Sam seeks to remove spirituality and human connection from the institution of religion, and place it within the mind of the individual. Meaning any "spiritual nature" one has is merely a construct of their own mind, and to his credit, he doesn't throw the baby out with the bath water. Rather he believes that each person should construct their own mind in such a way as to benefit their spiritual and natural well being...Sam and I just have different views on the origin of the human spirit. i believe our spiritual nature transcends the capacity of our own minds; that your individual consciousness is not the sun that your entire existence revolves around. there's more to us than that, like dark matter in space. we don't know what it is, but we know that it's there, and that it actually makes up most of what's there. and the people who know how to appeal to that intangible, nearly undefinable departments of human nature...they are the ones who change the world for better or worse, because they can. everyone else is just debating. but i do think sam's voice is extremely valuable and am glad that you were able to find such utility in his work
I haven't read all comments here, but this is the best comment so far. I like Sam Harris but I don't agree with all of his cut&dry beliefs. Lex is young and doesn't have the years of insight that Sam has but he does speak well for his generation - a generation of young people who in general have a good basis of empathy and equality.....and that goes for the people who struggle with mental health.
And now you are missing the point. Lex consistently let us know he doesn't know what he is doing but he is learning along the way and positions himself accordingly. Basically evolving as a person. He only has a fundamental pre-judgement and while he learns/understands, he shapes his own idea by talking and asking and questioning. That's the beauty of his identity.
@@denizgur you might think that I’m missing the point. I don’t. I know Lex for many years now. He knows what he’s doing, despite having open mind and space for new ideas and experiences. That doesn’t mean he’s totally lost. Not in the least. But I do agree that one of the beauty of his identity is his learning process. There is no other channel like Lex’s. Sure every person is different and the contents people make on their channels are different. But there is something really special about Lex’s approach to conversation and dialog that differs from the rest. He’s a special dude, and we should appreciate having someone like him in the social media sphere.
Actually, Eric Weinstein's theory has been disproven by Timothy Nguyen but Lex won't let Timothy speak on his bot cast, neither will Joe Rogan, something strange going on there.....
I find Lex's interviews with these shunned members of society the most helpful. If they're evil or delusional, let them show it. If all I hear is that somebody is the worst, but I don't SEE what is so bad for myself, I'll never truly believe it, even if it's true. It's simple playground logic, but it still applies to the grown up world.
Most people are dumb and sheep tho and it's not that they don't see right from wrong, it's that they willingly ignore the wrong and use these kind of interviews as a platform to push their own agendas and narratives. There's a reason right wingers and conservatives have strongly used Joe Rogan's platform in the past and benefitted from it. People in the comments simply don't understand the psychology behind "allowing fair play" when it comes to interviews and the people we give a platform to speak. We share more responsibility than we think. Especially people like Lex and Joe Rogan.
Exactly this is why germs and other microscopic organism don't actually exist. I don't SEE them, therefor I don't need to wash my hands and can lick toilet bowls. Sure people say that they are bad. But I have never actually SEEN any germs, so they can't be bad for you. Only when my kidneys rupture from enterococci overload will I then believe.
We actually need to be careful saying “we need to be careful how we treat artists,” when there is an increasing number of self-proclaimed artists out there acting out in inexcusable ways simply because they know they can hide behind their so-called artistry. Playing the victim has become an art form in and of itself in lieu of being accountable for one's actions.
Totally agree, celebrities have such an elevated status these days we must hold them to account. If Christopher Hitchens were to spew unhinged rhetoric about producing rap music we wouldn't give him a pass.
I think what he argued for is that you can't convince an artist the same way you do an intellectual... You can't use reason or evidence... Artists think differently therefore should be dealt differently. I don't think he believes that artists should have some special treatment in a moral sense.
@@mathiasrennochaves3533 Exactly, he isn't saying that everyone with an instagram page can say what they want. He is saying just like when talking to a child you must consider they have a unique perspective compared to an adult there are places where nuance should be considered.
@@thorowgood1 I would say he created a whole set of dogmas of his own Pursued to their logical end, they ended up making him as obtuse as any religious nut he so despises. I'll take my religious dogmas over his secular, so called..."rational ones" whatever the hell they are. This dude's ability to think rationally on many important things is just GONE. Trump broke this "enlightened" intellectual. I find this quite funny and the irony just beautiful.
I don't think anyone else would have tackled that Kanye interview better than Lex, at that specific time when the man was clearly going through a psychotic episode. But being said just because Sam doesn't like someone doesn't mean Lex can't show empathy or reverence towards another guest.
I view these two as an example of how we humans should interact and disagree. I literally don’t care who is right in this conversation, because the “right” answer is so much less important than being able to have an honest conversation and disagree with respect and kindness.
@@ginxxxxx So if Sam decided to waste his time talking to Kanye, everyone else would've changed their minds too and he wouldn't have lost 75% of his net worth?
@@MavethTheReaper Easy. Sam thinks it's permissible to preemptively attack muslim countries and support Israel's genocide in Gaza, while Kanye doesn't.
One issue with Lex is that he almost never comes from the position that he has the anwser and knows better, even on things he clearly does know better than say Joe Rogan or someone the succes of his podcast depends on!
They will both let Graham Hancock go on about ancient civilization and never say; I think that the fact you believe these ancient monolithic buildings were build using telekentic powers discredits you to the point were I don't think anyone needs to take you seriously, and I'm shocked by the fact that so many do!
I think it is much more valuable to have an open and honest discourse and let people decide for themselves, rather than censoring and preventing information just because there are "risks" in spreading a harmful message. The news that Kanye said some crazy shit was already widely spread, and thanks to Lex I have a much better understanding of where he is coming from and why he is behaving that way. People who will only derive the worst conclusion will do so anyway no matter what we do.
100%. Sam believes he has the right to withhold information about the world from you because he knows better than you how to structure the world. We’re just not smart enough to understand.
The way you put it makes it more palatable, but the overall message is blatantly wrong. The more Andrew Tate's and Kanye's we have in our public discourse, the more are the ideas similar to his normalised, making an average person with a limited worldview more likely to shift to a position a bit more towards that side. It doesn't have to be the worst possible take. It's enough to have sufficient amount of people say "Ah, but he does make some sense."
I agree with you. I couldn’t believe my eyes. What an arrogant narcissist. Why does he bother interviewing with others when he has all the answers and truth. He is exactly like a fundamental religious leader dictating dogma. I guess that’s why he dislikes them so much, they are his reflection in the mirror lol
But Sam is correct...hosting a guy who is probably in the midst of a mental breakdown on your super popular podcast is probably not the right decision. It's good that Sam is able to give this type of criticism to Lex directly.
@@alexcaminiti he has a firm stance on the topic… having Kanye on was wrong, all of the fans who said it was a good idea were wrong. It helped nothing. It did NOT push the conversation in a more loving or humane way. So… these commenters can’t believe their ears at how narcissistic and rude Sam is being AND YET … he was correct. Shouldn’t have done it.
No matter what my political views or religious views or lack of , I got much respect for two adults that can go straight to the problems they have with each other .
I am so tired of seeing comments like this. As if friendly convo's, and cordial debates on podcasts like this are extremely hard to come by. There are what seems like millions upon millions of hours of conversations just like this one on RUclips ffs.
@@RommyAli actually if I remember it seemed like they actually had an issue, and other podcasts seem to be attacking someone else who not even there , katt Williams did it , tim pool does it , Patrick David guy does it a lot . At least these two keep it between them, if I remember, ain't watched it in awhile
@6:10 to 6:20 Perfect. Sam Harris summarized. Crated a set of options where he's right. Made it look like choice. Left out other choices. Then denied the possibility that he could be wrong using language that exposed his subconscious. While lex opened the possibility and had a laugh, self deprecating and funny. Thank you Lex! Keep at it.
@The Wandering M what's wild is that he's kind of the internet authority on ego death and free will not existing. Yet his own ego is wild. Almost like he's a Shang Tsung of other's egos. Goes to debate and collect their egos, whines and "refuses to entertain" arguments, people, and religions he deems to be unworthy of his time. Like a child playing games who only wants to win to feed their own ego.
Sam is right here though. You can't compare Sam Harris with Kanye west and the things that Kanye had said about people versus what Sam had said about people. This "people are just the same side of the coin" bullshit is what gets people like Trump, and now possibly God forbid, Kanye, into office.
I can’t believe that I really admired Sam’s critical thinking and use of precise language at one point… it’s shocking how far he has fallen in my eyes. He is no longer an intellectual…
@@danwhiffen9235 I share your general frustration regarding Sam. I still view him as a public intellectual that frankly made many mistakes. Thats fine with me. What bothers me is his refusal to debate his critics. It's not about who is right or wrong or how much of the audience is persuaded. It's the simple fact that he refuses to engage them. I want these public intellectuals to debate each other like how UFC mixed martial artists fight. It's for us the audience to witness and come to our own conclusions. Instead of derp derp fart platforming bad!
@@cheflev9884 it seems to me that he refuses to argue with them probably because it would expose that he's not always in the right. Critical debate leads to the expulsion of poorly constructed ideas. I think he'd rather be comfortable in thinking he's right than getting closer to truth
@@Moises505130 I agree with you 💯! It’s ironic that all these years of Buddhist training and meditation lead to his dissolving of “free will” and not his ego
@@cheflev9884 agreed, that's why it's been so frustrating seeing him the way he has been these past few years. I guess we have to take it with a grain of salt
How altruistic of Lex that he gets to host Kanye in the middle of an antisemitic tirade, get millions of views and maintain a friendly relationship and access to Kanye, all in the name of teaching the audience to be compassionate and turning the other cheek. Please.
Id prefer to hear someone talk and express their mind/ideas openly, and me decide how credible/noteworthy those ideas and person are. Kanye showed me a lot in that interview, and Kanye's words made it clear what Kanye is thinking. Everyone is vulnerable to ideas, but the best way to counter bad ideas is better ideas, and shutting down conversation does not let that process happen.
Yeah but the argument wasn’t, “you should not have had the conversation in the first place” the argument was “I personally don’t believe releasing the conversation that I just saw is going to have an overall positive effect on society.” He is making the argument that the conversation, as conducted by lex AND Kanye, failed at whatever lex was attempting to accomplish, for the very reason, that Lex didn’t counter those bad ideas well enough.
@@pubpiss-zn1ez That must be one of the only parts of history that most Americans seem to know, and they don't even know much about that time period. Stop comparing everything with Nazi Germany.
Lex your analogy you’ve used in the past regarding Dostoyevsky’s The Idiot is spot on. That’s basically what’s going on and Sam even went so far to call your tactic naive… keep on bro, it’s not competition; we in this together and love is the answer. No one is ever a lost cause
@@sebm.5930 I agree with you on tolerance being a negative at a certain point, but as a media personality your job isn't to tell me what I can and cannot be tolerant of. Produce interesting content with interesting people and allow your audience to decide what they want to tolerate.
@@kurtolson6065 good point. Lex did NOT want Kanye to speak his mind. he made every effort to try to change Kanye's mind by simply stating that he was wrong. unfortunately, this attitude does not work at all with people who are stuck on a belief. they require you asking small fundamental questions until we can determine something like Kanye does not support fundamental racism, yet is racist.
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:02 🗣️ Navigating public criticism of acquaintances' behavior. - Ethical choices when publicly criticizing friends or acquaintances. - Private communication vs. public criticism. 03:04 💔 Kanye West's interview and the Power of Love philosophy. - The debate over Lex Fridman's interview with Kanye West. - The Power of Love philosophy in handling controversial guests. 05:36 🧠 Mental health and ethics in public conversations. - Sam Harris's concern about Kanye West's mental health. - Balancing empathy and responsible communication. 08:08 📢 Public vs. private conversations and their impact. - Discussing whether certain conversations should remain private. - The consequences of airing sensitive discussions publicly. 16:09 🌐 Addressing anti-Semitism and its societal implications. - Examining the challenges of addressing anti-Semitism. - The importance of responsible messaging when discussing sensitive topics. Made with HARPA AI
"I'm going to do everyone a favor , and take the foot out of your mouth" ... followed by "I don't think the conversation should've been aired" is unfortunate and concerning from Sam . Very surprising that a man who holds himself in such a high regard is THAT anti-freedom of speech. No matter how you feel about it , everyone had the right to say it. If it is offensive or delusional, then you disregard it. People should be able to critically think for themselves and choose things that bring more light to life , that should ultimately be what we strive for , not controlling what is available.
Sam has really exposed himself as completely ego0centric and blind to his own failings. A trap wise sages don't fall into, and one he has sprung on himself.
He is an ethnosupremacist and he feels someone is questioning his superiority so all morals and reasoning no longer apply. He has the right to 'free speech' about the Muslims but not the other way around that's how that works.
He’s not arguing against free speech, Kanye is and forever will be free to speak his mind publicly in any way he can and Sam said nothing against that. Sam is criticizing the decision from Lex’s point of view to air the conversation with Kanye given the circumstances of what Kanye said and his current mental state. Sam is implying the responsibility that Lex has because of his large platform, Lex has control over what “free-speech” is said on his podcast. Not all free-speech is beneficial to society as a whole. Hateful, nonfactual speech is hard to argue for as being beneficial free speech, especially when said to such a large audience. The problem is that too many people AREN’T critical and DON’T disregard ideas that are clearly delusional, just take all the lies and hate spread in US politics that so many people believe blindly. Or just look at the very anti-semitism that has plagued society for so long, based on hatred and nonfactual claims that has murdered millions of people. Speech should always be free but to pretend that some speech isn’t dangerous is ridiculous. People with platforms that intend to educate should be aware of this and critical of what is said on their platforms.
I absolutely love Lex just for this-- he always speaks with respect and a genuine desire to learn and understand from the people he interviews, all while keeping his own standards, and without it disintegrating into a heated argument with them. it's so nice to hear in today's world.
@@neptune9443 Does he? Would you care to share your evidence for this claim? I'm skeptical as to how you would know whom a complete stranger blocks; assuming you have evidence, the claim that such person blocks "almost everyone etc." demands not just evidence of any blocking but lots of evidence specifically to support the high frequency of blocking you allege; after all of which you haven't specified a particular forum or fora in which this blocking occurs. In short, your claim sounds like the idle, sloppy throwaway of someone with an agenda - which is an impression serious people with serious thoughts avoid, especially before they have even presented their case. TLDR: Sounds made up, dude.
Sam Harris is like the intellectual voice inside of my head. Every time he talks I'm always feeling like "ah yes, what the smartest side of me has to say." He is so sensical and seemingly so often spot on...lotta respect to that guy 🤙🏻
@@2002honda954 I'm so happy someone else understands what I'm saying. My thoughts think as Sam Harris says. I'm not near as good as him at articulating those thoughts however. It's cool you understand me on that level and have the same dilemma so to speak.
"Over-explainers will take your silence as an acknowledgement of your incomplete understanding, and they’ll seek to rectify your ignorance while noting your willingness to learn."- Vizier
At the same time I feel like Harris is somehow massively over simplifying systemic ailments and glaring holes of society. Which both Trump and Kanye are both a direct and indirect reflection of.
@@bleachcool1465 I think you can say trump is an example of that, Kanye no, not at all. Trump became the president via democracy. That’s evidence. Kanye was loud for a year and fell off the map with little care from anyone. They aren’t the same
@@2FadeMusictelling someone else who and who not to have on their podcast is censorship. This is Lex Friedman's show, not Sam Harris's. Yet here he is trying to shame a grown man for having a public conversation with a grown man. Sam Harris with real power would be a dangerous egotistical individual.
Sam Harris is basically saying Daryl Davis (the black man who befriended KK k members and got over 200 to quit) was wrong and should never have done what he's done. And the peaceful, treat everyone with respect approach has been one of the most powerful methods mankind has
UV light has disinfectant properties...................... this does not mean it's valid treatment for a virus which is hidden from the sun. also Trump said even dumber shit such as "injecting people with disinfectant" as well as "exposing people to sunlight" which is retard science.
He also says no amount of sunlight stops a fire in fact if it’s focused sunlight you make the fire worse. Sometime water is the only response to a fire.
@@billbob6247 Sometimes water makes the fire worse, especially with a chemical (imbalance) fire. In that case you need to smother... wait... this is turning dark
It’s funny how everything Sam mentioned about Kanye applies to himself as well. 14:00 to 15:40 is a summary of what Kanye is coming from. So much respect to you Lex for understanding both sides and trying to offer love as a common ground for all..
Yeah man, absolutely. And happily and respectfully letting each other finish. Or waiting patiently while the other thinks about the question, or the formulation of his answer. People all over America and Europe are talking about the great divide between the left and the right; the polarization that divides all our societies and even families. In my opinion, the real gap is THIS; people who have -discussions- conversations like gentlemen, versus people who turn every interaction with another human being into a Jersey Shore episode. People who are happy when they have gained new insights or a better understanding of a difficult subject, versus people who wake up and go to sleep very angry and considering themselves infallible.
We need to allow people to be wrong even publicly. We need to trust that people can tell for themselves when something is wrong. Like rogan says, you have to let a bad idea get overcome by a better argument to defeat it. And they both have to be heard in order to do that
Me, I wouldn't let the Fuhrer speak, not if it could somehow be prevented. At a certain point speech (when so hateful, dangerous and violent) can be indefensible. what's the old adage, "a lie travels around the world 3 times before the Truth has left your lips."
Amen. I'd say *especially publicly. Creating an environment where no one is allowed to be wrong just makes everyone quietly sit and stew on all our worst thoughts, while we manage to find people online that agree with us regardless. To change your mind about something you have to realize you're wrong and you never realize you're wrong if you're not allowed to even speak the thought.
@@twelvecatsinatrenchcoatmoreover, when communities refuse to engage with their toxic members, that toxicity creates it's own subgroup, which eventually grows to resent the original. Ostracizing and exiling those that the majority disagree with has never worked.
Except, if you are letting someone broadcast bad ideas, and aren’t actually “overcoming it with a better argument” in real time, or at least challenging it, then you run the risk of people accepting the first claim they heard and digging into their position regardless of better arguments. Have you heard what many Americans are claiming these days, despite the lack of evidence for their beliefs, and in the face of “better arguments?”
@@roems6396 The real difference here is we think people should be allowed to think for themselves, while you believe someone else should be in charge of all the thinking for us.
“The display of you willing to do that, has power” Lex means, if you’re intentionally kind & loving towards those who you disagree with, that that in itself has power. Which is really love.
Exactly right. it can disarm them too, because they're always primed and tensed up for an argument, and you can watch people start to soften and weaken in their kind of "solid" mind state and come to some sort of agreement, and it just becomes two people talking, it can be really beautiful. but of course not everyone is like that, but that's not important, whats important is you reaching out that kindness and love in the first place while still standing your own ground and also with a flexible mind.
Love is power. And sadly, Sam sounds like an angry man these days. He has given anger power over him. Which leaves precious little room in his heart for love. Seems like he's starting to lose love for himself. Must be frightening for him.
I’ve never engaged with Sam before and I’m sort of glad. This was so disappointing to watch. He became so hyper focused on the point of the conversation with Kanye ONLY being about Kanye when Lex emphasized multiple times the benefit to everyone else in just witnessing the conversation happening. I found this podcast because of the Kanye interview and I’m left of center with most of my political opinions. Sam saying that even listening with love is like a gale force storm of nonsense is so arrogantly dismissive. Lex, keep doing what you’re doing. Love is the most powerful force in the world. End of story. I find Sam pitiable that he doesn’t recognize that.
Are you a grown man? Serious question. If Kanye were an individual preaching outright White Supremacy, no one would be spewing this "Love" trope; people would be criticizing the man. Sam only holds anti-Semitism as an ideology that is as bad as other racial ideologies, and that's why his opinion is what it is. Everyone wants to make excuses for Kanye because of his celebrity status, etc. No other individual would be as apologized for as a manic rapper. lmao
For real. Sam has been on a downward spiral for years. Still more intelligent than myself, but, he lets his emotions guide him now, and being a slow deliberate speaker cannot disguise it.
Sam is spot on here. Most podcasters are now putting entertainment and spectacle as the #1 priority. How does no one sees what’s wrong with broadcasting a guys’ psychotic manic episode to millions of people? Even if your main priority is showing love to Kanye, the most loving thing to do would be have a private conversation with him and help him seek mental help.
We need more people like Lex that opens up the doors for communication with opposing views to our own. If we simply Cancel people, how will they grow? How will their resentment NOT turn in to hate?
Why is it our responsibility to make people grow? If we just invade Germany and stop hitler from taking over the world, how will he come to realize that he's wrong on his own? At some point this compassion is just stupidity or being extremely naïve.
Sam Harris has always been this way, it’s just that conservatives never noticed because Harris was agreeing with their views on Islam. The cracks for Harris emerged during his debates with Daniel Dennett about free will. Dennett’s approach was that it’s interesting, but ultimately fruitless argument. Harris was dead set that it needed to figured out and that if free will doesn’t exist, then it should be hidden from people because that truth would cause them to go insane and destroy humanity. It’s Sam navel gazing and panicking over imaginary shit while Dennett sits there thinking “whatever, nobody cares about this shit and even if it was true, a lot of people wouldn’t even believe it.”
Sam has discussions with people with opposing views more often then Lex does because Lex mostly agrees with everyone. Its not that Kanye disagrees with him, its that Kanye is potentially having a serious mental break down which people are making worse by just going along with it, as if it were a reasonable position to have. There are millions of people who believe the exact same things Kanye does, he is not an original thinker, if you ever go to a trailer park and talk to random people, some of them will say the same anti Jewish conspiracies Kanye does. The only reason anyone is talking about Kanye is because he is famous for mainstream music, why should we be giving him any attention, I would rather hear a random guy from a trailer park saying these things, at least then I would actually believe he is being genuine.
As a black man growing up in PHILADELPHIA which has the largest population of black Muslims in America I can tell you that Sam is WAY off when talking about Jewish hate in black communities. Kids playing "knock out" is aimed at EVERYONE -- Not just orthodox Jews.
Lex is behaving always like such a gentleman and and a kind soul that in my opinion nobody who watches him could become more antiemetic by watching him. The opposite would be the case I think.
Antiemetic? How do you mean that? Not taking the word literally and supplanting it with what I assume you were trying to say given the context around the word, I would argue against you. Just check the comments of the other recently uploaded clips with Sam. Plenty of people watch Lex purely for confirmation of their own bias. Stupid people think they're smart. I don't profess to be saying anything profound in pointing that out, but it's worth reiterating. Literally every other comment on the other uploads is people calling Sam "stupid". Sadly, that's a lot of Lex's audience, although not all. The point, however, is that I believe you are mistaken (imagining what I think you were trying to say).
lex is different and is not going to interview someone the way Sam would or anyone. he’s true to himself. Just like lex said the best thing is to make it simple n true. I think lex did a great job in that interview with Kanye with everything he had to deal with. But would love to maybe see an interview with Sam an Kanye im sure it’s not as easy as it sounds in ur mind.
@@mattberg6816 Dude they’re talking about Kanye… 😂😂😂 I love that this is your “seemingly” first encounter of civil discourse! 😂 Just the most ridiculous/niche thing “oh golly, they really went into this one in good faith!”
Lex, you're exactly right about love. Love isn't always agreement. Sometimes it means challenging someone to help them change and grow. But most importantly, it means having the trust to let people see where they are wrong. I was a fan of Kanye for years. I still respect Ye for his incredible musical talent, but your interview with him was the only one which really showed the public the dangers of the dark ideas he was dabbling in (and likely, still is). And in a similar way, you've done the same thing for us here with Sam Harris. I was never as inspired by Sam as by Kanye, but I did watch him occasionally. I don't really agree with his views on religion, but to see Sam, who used to fight so strongly against religious excesses and for individual liberty, being so unreflective, elitist, dogmatic, and blinded by his own biases is just disappointing. You're a fantastic interviewer, keep it up.
I see. I always had the feeling that this was who Sam really was when I was listening to him in conversations before. But happy to hear I'm not the only one seeing that now.
Facts how about us blacks that know they make money of us look what lyor cohen said about why he signs killers he said “ I got to make m on ey somehow “ shits sick the way these people get mad as if their the special ones
In a 'perfect world' everyone would get along... the reality is that there are blacks that don't like jews and there are jews that don't like blacks. It makes sense that a jewish person would be offended by a personal attack, but does a jew get offended when a black is being personally attacked and decides to say something and stand up for the black person? (Until such time as the jewish community makes more of an effort to defend non jews that are being attacked and chooses to condemn jews that attack others, then jews have no reason to expect (or demand) others speak up and stand up for them.
Then you totally missed Lex’s point then, if you learnt nothing. You could edit your comment correctly and say “what I learned from Sam, doesn’t align with my views”. Perfectly fine statement. But to say you learnt NOTHING? Really?
@@TubaTones I learned something from how Lex responded to Sam’s criticism with openness and humility. And yes, Sam didn’t provide me with any value-add that I can apply to my daily life.
@@waunairobi Like don't broadcast someone's mental breakdown on public airwaves? Try to help them seek psychiatric care instead. Imagine having a bipolar family member and deciding to interview them on social media. The timing of this interview did not help Kanye.
This is such valuable exchange. I really appreciate how this conversation is held. I wish more people would consider this way of dealing with a disagreement or different opinions.
They both neglected the main point about Kanye. He has been surrounded by yes men for 25 years. He doesn't understand the word no. Mentally ill or not, he has been able to walk this earth with no conflicting opinions about anything he believes to be truth. He is his own echo chamber.
Totally. Because they haven't become emotionally invested. However, the flip side of doing that, is sometimes conversations require that emotional investment, which is probably what Kanye needs: "no Kanye, that is wrong, you are being an asshole". Like the time Jay Leno challenged him.
The average person isn't listening, and even if they do, they don't understand short pauses in conversation to let the other person gather their thoughts and then continue uninterrupted. I've often noticed this among intellectuals as well. Any short pause is an opportunity seized by the other side to take an opportunity to interrupt and explain themselves or views. When this happens, the person who took the pause doesn't get to finish his speech, doesn't get the point across because of the interruption, and then it turns into arguing. lol
Censorship is never good. If someone has ideas that are extreme, their ideologies should be confronted and challenged publicly, not hidden or pushed down - obfuscated or ignored. That is cowardice.
100% agree. Not only is this cowardice but it also pushes those beholders of extreme ideas to the underground where they are then allowed to ferment through the power of their echo chamber and the frustration of not being able to speak their mind will transform their crappy opinions into something more extreme. I rather have everyone be able to talk their mind which allows then everyone else to make up their mind about them. If someone wants to make an ass out of themselves then everyone should be able to see that. The problem is, that the people that advocate for censorship always pretend that the public is full of idiots who cant handle the truth. In the end, censorship limits ones full expression, forces opposing views into secrecy, and ontop of that also insults the public as stupid. I fail to see the good of any of those outcomes.
Not inviting someone on your podcast is not censorship. By that standard, every person that hasn't yet been on his podcast is being censored. The problem with Ye isn't that he is extreme, it's that he is incoherent in his statements and has nothing to bring to the table. You don't need to go out of your way and broadcast every crazy person you found on the NYC subway to make sure that you're not suppressing speech.
If Lex was actually concerned about hearing Kanye out and attempting to persuade him that his thinking is flawed, then he would have done it in private. The only reason Lex had him on was for a boost in views and subscribers, which fair enough that's a legit business move, but let's not pretend he had Kanye on for any other reason than that.
Something changed in him, and I think that was Trump. I remember him acting all irrationally about Trump when he was first elected. We all knew that Trump was a narcissist but we also knew every other president before him was also a narcissist. Look at how Obama acts. He gets on stage and is completely snarky and demeaning. They are all the same, but Sam just went off the rails after that.
It's very obvious that he's 100% a statist, there can only be ONE official story and everything else is not even considered. EVERYTHING must be done behind the scenes to match the OFFICIAL story.
@@megadeuce-b7c the problem is trump tells so many lies that you physically cannot call it out in real time. You cannot keep up with it. The problem with conversations with people like Kanye or a flat early is that they drop so many false facts at once that you simply cannot address all of them.
Sam says he doesn’t “pretend to understand “ then pretends to understand for the next ten minutes while lex patiently waits for the rest of sams thought to Congeal into a coherent tantrum about lex being too loving about the wrong things because Sam is outraged by Kanye
That is a great example of two people who respect each other and respectfully arguing their points on a minefield subject, giving a platform to someone who can influence negatively upon society. I agree with Sam's assessment here and find Lex's argument weak. It seemed Lex was simply looking for the ability to justify a poor decision of having someone famous on his podcast and negating the weight of responsibility he had to his audience. I think Lex is amazing BTW, he is a great mind. On this topic though I have to completely agree with Sam.
You're just inviting the Streisand effect at that point. You'll also invite people to seek other platforms, further increasing polarization within the public's discourse. Bad ideas need to be defeated by good ideas out in the open, point blank.
Kanye may not be a genius but Sam Harris is just supporting Kanye's attitude toward Jews by his idea of shutting everyone he wants based on their thoughts
Pretty weird that you're in favour of platforming someone who wants to go on a full on antisemitic tirade with 0% chance of listening to any other argument. It's weird how many people don't understand what Sam is saying here.
So we should allow about Isis to come and spread their hate to on Podcasts without saying anything or trying to shut them down. It’s such a ridiculous notion that we should allow anyone to say anything without speaking up against it.
@@leex648 It's fine to healthily disagree, which is what we just watched Sam and Lex do. People in the comments are acting like Sam has lost his mind as well as all credibility by saying that it was a bad idea to offer a mentally ill bigot a platform while he's pretty clearly having a manic episode. If you can't see where Sam is coming from and acknowledge that it's a valid point then you're probably too much of a fan of Lex to listen to an alternative viewpoint.
Projection is a psychological defense mechanism where an individual attributes their own unacceptable thoughts, emotions, or traits onto someone else. In the case of Sam's strong reaction to Kanye West and Donald Trump's ego, it could be argued that Sam is projecting his own ego onto these individuals. It's possible that Sam is uncomfortable with his own ego and the ways in which it manifests, such as feeling superior to others or seeking attention and validation. When he sees Kanye and Trump exhibiting similar behaviors, it triggers a strong emotional response in him because it reminds him of his own ego-driven tendencies. However, rather than acknowledging and addressing his own ego, Sam may unconsciously deflect and externalize it onto these public figures. By doing so, he avoids confronting his own ego and can instead focus on criticizing and condemning the behavior of others.
Yeah, this is obvious to me. He really lacks any kind of true faith/or spirituality which leaves him with no true reflection. He might "think" he is reflecting on something but is rather projecting a majority of the time, and doesn't even seem to realize it. Very egotistical. The rational mind that is.
This is intellectually equivalent to a GF saying, "I cheated because you complemented me so much that I felt smothered and pressured. I guess I didn't see what you saw in me. I just needed an escape." You used a lot of words but said absolutely nothing. 😂
15:50 To be fair, if you do define yourself as _the_ Chosen People, you can't expect *not* to have a storm coming. Hopefully not violent. I personally don't see it that way, yet it's worthwhile to look at it from others' perspectives and try to get at their resentment.
@CS I don't think Sam is a vile human being. Just someone very firm in his ideas. And sometimes it pass off as stubbornness and arrogance. This puts off many people that otherwise would listen to him.
i thought it was too, and i thought it could have easily been avoided by Lex not inputting statements that Kanye obviously didn't agree with which made him mad, and Lex should have asked more questions.. for example, why do you believe that? what specific information lead you to that conclusion? etc..
I have so much respect for both points of view. At the time I watched Lex’s interview with Kanye, I thought it was a little risky to do so, and I wanted to learn more about Kanye (not a fan of him or his music, just because I’ve never been interested) and I tried to understand him. But the whole time I got the sense that he was very ill. I respect lex for having a conversation with him, and for wanting to understand this views. I also respect that Sam took issue with it - it could be seen as giving him a bigger platform. But conversations are hard. Intense conversations are harder.
Agreed. A lot of people argued that Kanye wasn't racist before Lex interview saying that the media wanted to frame him in a particular way. The way Lex held the conversation have made this argument obviously flawed.
@@Valkonnen uh thr part where Kanye says he loves hitler and nazis aren’t so bad ? Literal words from his mouth, have you not seen the interview with Kanye? Do you not disagree with Kanye ?
@@NickolaiPetrovitch Kanye, if YOU watched the interview, is not a smart guy. He has an 85 I.Q. and is not articulate, yet fancies himself a "Genius". His "Music " is Autotune Garbage. Now not only does he have a "Genius Complex" but in the case of the interview, he was trying to have a "Jesus Complex". He was saying that there is good in everyone, even though they may do terrible things . He said that Hitler "Had Good in him" and therefore in his inarticulate way, said "I love Hitler" repeatedly. he did this because he just isn't smart, isn't articulate enough to say things in the proper way. He's a dummy. You should put whether there was bad intent at the forefront. Do YOU think that this inarticulate dummy, saying "I love Hitler" meant that he condoned the deaths of 6,000,000 Men, Women, Children, and babies? I don't know ANYONE who thinks that. So lets look at another possibility , Could his over inflated ego, coupled with , being surrounded by people who NEVER tell him the truth, and his lack of articulation, was actually his failed intent to be all forgiving, and evolved into something other than a mere human being. He can look at the "Good" in and have love for, even Hitler,. In his mind he was being above everything...Get it?
Didn’t really agree with Sam at the first half. But the more he breaks down anti-semitism and how they’re the enemy of extremists of both the left and the right, it offers a whole new perspective.
I think Lex's audience is capable enough of some respectfull critical thinking towards the guests and their ideas and, as far it's known, their situation. Also something people pick up from a good host like Lex. Ofcourse I would highly recommend to Sam to apply it in his own life
You’re right on lex, this world needs more open hearts. Nothing is black and white and patience and understanding hold more power than anything in this word. ❤
Well, yes, but the problem is that Kanye doesn't have an open heart. That's part of what Sam Harris is saying. There has to be a point where you say, "I'm not going to talk in public with someone who shows know sign of reciprocating with a likewise open heart." To bring about more "open hearts", you have to engage with people who will reciprocate. Privately you can try this all you want, I mean you're welcome to bang your head against a brick wall. But doing it in public is in some ways, endorsing head banging brick walls. I'm trying to be a little humorous here, but my point is serious.
After years of consuming his Content, one thing, I’ve definitely noticed about Sam Harris is he lacks humility and has a dark shadowy ego. Way to stand strong in defending your loving and empathetic approach Lex. God bless you
Harris is insufferable, intellectually sluggish, and an egomaniac. I’ve never seen him make a cogent point against Peterson, Hitchens, Fridman, or anyone.
@@kurtshaw229The fact that he says there's only 3 possibilities, mental illness, being an asshole or both, without being in a position of authority for any of those things alludes to this. He says it in a matter of fact way when he should've put it across as his opinion. For someone who has been a part of countless debates and public speeches, it's hard to assume that it was a mistake.
Lex actually questioning/pushing back with Kanye was one of the better Lex interview in my opinion where we saw more than his considerate (and sometimes wishy washy) side drop off and where Lex was great like you know he would be if not so confusing consideration/politeness with wisdom as a strangely self-identifying introvert!
Sam is stuck in 2016, inside of a bubble of success, that will never be pierced. He’s no longer the source of any useful ideas going forward 🙏🏾 I don’t mourn his loss because I trust he can find peace if he really wants it.
100% spot on. Why do people give Kanye a platform. He's uneducated. His points are nonsensical. He really is meaningless in the world of provoking thought, education, etc.
I don't agree with Harris on everything but, on this topic, he's nailed it. Lex should have never interviewed that "god only in his own mind" a-hole. It didn't help Lex's credibility. If Lex wants to continue getting interviews with scientists, innovators, etc. it doesn't help to give a platform to a anti-Semitic, misogynistic loon. I'm no fan of cancel culture and I'm all for giving a voice to different sides of a debate but West spouts conspiracy theories and hate and offers nothing but that. He's not an intellectual. He's a man filled with hate and desperately wants attention. Why give it to him while at the same time hurting one's own reputation? I love Lex's podcast and I think Lex is awesome but that interview was a mistake.
One of the main reasons we love people like you, rogan etc are because you’ll host almost anyone. As far the audience re concerned, we’re happy to hear almost everyone. The have ex criminals etc. on all the time and it’s no issue (nor should it be). The people and audience aren’t children. They can listen and make up their own minds. This is the real reason no one watches any news interviews etc. bunch of rehearsed bullshit where no real question gets asked
Lex had one of the most effective conversations with Ye, where he confronted him on his antisemitic views, and his disturbing behavior. Lex asked Ye real, effective questions from a thoughtful and honest perspective.
Honestly what's the difference from the way Kanye feels about the Jews and the way Sam feels about religious people? Has Kanye written books denouncing Jews? Sam has written books demonizing groups of people.
🤦🏻 WoW you’re seriously comparing the logic and philosophy between someone that has no idea of what those words mean and an intellectual that is lightyears ahead. If you don’t understand the differences between these two, you don’t know the two and you have no business commenting. And if you know these two, you’re something else.
Lex needs to understand that part of loving someone is holding them accountable. Love shouldn't only lead to some kind of pure unadulterated compassion. This is also my issue with Joe Rogan. You cannot just invite whoever you want on your show and let them speak unchallenged. Yes, you can platform whoever you want, but it needs to be done responsibly.
I think the one biggest fallacy in Sam’s thinking within this clip is that he thinks listeners don’t have the ability to discern information for them selfs. Sam him self when debating Lex about the topic of, should we let kanye speak openly on podcasts or not, uses information he studied and learned from watching kanye speak on many different podcasts, including lex’s. He directly references many things he has heard from Kanye’s appearances on podcasts as the reasons why he shouldn’t be allowed on podcasts. That is very harmful thinking on Sam’s part, and is completely backwards. I’m probably part of the 90% of lexs listeners that sam said are wrong, but I ask you this Sam; what is wrong with my experience as a listener? After I listened to the lex kanye podcast, I got to come to my own conclusions about Kanye. And it was clear to me he is very wrong with his categorization and blanket labeling of groups as Jews, among many other things. And it became even more clear how much of an egomaniac he is, and he seems very unwell. And I think those things are both very unhealthy and wrong. (Which was most of what I was hearing people thought too) But also I sensed undertones of sadness and brilliance with some of his thoughts. Nonetheless it was very interesting and helped me gain a more nuanced opinion of Kanye. It’s strange to me that you can gain insight and opinions from watching kanye speak openly, but think it shouldn’t be allowed to the public.
Love the discourse. I think you two identified an inherent trade off. The benefit of extending empathy , understanding and a public platform to a “bad actor” is offset by propagating their bad ideas. There’s likely a line where one outweighs the other. Where Kanye falls on that line , I genuinely have no idea. I think there’s room for some platforms shunning and criticizing someone openly anti-Semitic, and others practising empathetic listening followed by loving push back.
I don't think anyone is being convinced by Kanye to be anti-jewish or racist. Anyone who agrees with him did so beforehand. I think it is better to air these things out and confront them instead of try to shun and hide their point of view instead of debate them.
@@bolenarrow9286 and of they do, listening to Kanye will certainly embolden them, and that is a net negative. All actions have consequences/outcomes that arise
Harris’ description of Kanye as egocentric is pure projection. Sam is describing himself exactly. Listen back and see Sam as describing himself. See what I mean.
Sam Harris is essentially saying, cancel Kanye West ('don't invite him on shows and put a microphone in front of him'). Very interesting stuff. It's no problem for Sam to dump on Islam and Muslims, but when a guy is doing that to Jews, suddenly there a problem. It's always nuanced and intricate when it's happening to you, isn't it?
No, that isn't the essence of what Sam Harris was saying. You should try actually reading Sam. His problem with the Muslim _faith_ (essentially) is parts of doctrin advocating murder of nonbelievers, and those adherents who actively harm others in the sincere belief that they are doing God's work as commanded. Please quit putting words in his mouth when it's obvious you don't know squat about what Sam says, let alone the essence of his thinking.
@@santacruzman What does the Bible and Torah say about the 75+ year genocide of Palestinians and land theft that Jews and Christians have been supporting and/or perpetrating. What does it say about the crusades? Beheading 3 million Muslims in 3 days. It's all the same. You'll find justification for anything in any religion, because people see what they want to see and interpret how they like. Sam Harris is nothing more than an intellectual racist.
Annexing ppl and not having conversations with them even if theyre wrong never works. Just allows them to continue to build on what they assume is right instead of correcting or shedding insight
i dont think Sam said no one should talk to Kanye. He said doing it publicly is injustice to Kanye and the audience. At first I was kind of taken a back by what he was saying but as i continued to listen, I can actually see Sam’s point.
Since the start of this whole thing this is the first time I've seen someone say 'Im not so sure it's mental illness's and someone else say 'okay let's put the mental illness aside'
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Screw Sam Harris... Lex, stay true on your empathy philosophy.
Sam clearly has a dog in this fight as he is Jewish and was triggered by someone expressing their disdain for jews... forgetting that the jewish community has the nerve to insist that they are the 'chosen ones' based on the ridiculous claim that God himself told them so, while criticizing Kanye for claiming to be a creative genius. (I would ask Sam as a jew, who is more delusional and egocentric, when you believe your own press (the bible) and for thousands of years push the self serving agenda that God himself decided that of all the people on the planet, that the jews are the 'chosen ones' and in the process offending everyone else by labeling them as inferior... one would have to ask who is the 'asshole' that needs to rethink WHY they have been hated for centuries, by so many, all over the world.
Sam should regret being a dumb smart person.
Lex demonstrated a much higher level of wisdom. Sam... just proved he’s a pompous ass.
Sam’s a Nepo Baby
Lex's interview was 1000x better than any of the other interviews/coverage of Kanye. Lex was the only person who treated Kanye as a person. Lex both helped Kanye elaborate and explain his positions, as well as challenging them.
Alex Jones and Gavin McInnes did it way better
He gaslighted him though Kanye asked for help lex said I will then backtracks then says I don’t know anything about the situation you are in then when Kanye says what should I do lex was concerned of not getting a black man to apologize Kanye wanted to talk about black issues or issues that impact them more 😅
It's sad how low Harris has become. The dude smells his own farts after thousands call him an intellectual for saying nothing except slow, verbose word salad.
He did not challenge him you’re full of it. Was super weak and went all over the place.
@@lalook2664 What the hell did I just read? What's a comma?
Hi Lex. One of the things I admire about you is that you trust your audience to critically evaluate guests / ideas. I do not believe it is your responsibility to carefully filter the information that us smooth brained plebeians are exposed to.
Sadly when you bring a lunatic's opinion oxygen and publicity it kicks the Overton window in his direction.
And Lex is a G for reading comments and ruminating on them.
Most people say "ignore those"
Lex knows his greatest growth comes from his biggest critics 💪
Keep at it brother!!!
Great point and so unlike most channels and news outlets
Great point!
It’s his responsibility to not platform people who espouse hate and antisemitism when he knows the climate is such that no amount of his “love and empathy” will override the behavior of certain loose cannons that follow Kanye’s words like gospel. It’s not how it’s perceived by Lex’s audience that’s concerning, but rather the minds of the dangerous and unstable few who feed off social media snippets of Kanye spouting off with impunity.
God I love when two people let each other finish what they’re saying
Thank you
i've always said Sam's achilles heal is that he believes he can win the world with intellectual arguments. he can reason with the best of them, but he's got nothing for anyone when it comes to their emotional nature, and doesn't believe in a spiritual nature. You have to reach people on all levels of their humanity to actually inspire transformation. That's what Lex is talking about. If you want people to understand your message, then fine, make your intellectual appeal only. If you want them to accept your message, you'd better start figuring out how navigate the issues going on in their heart
That would be great if Sam would actually use sound, reliable, consistent intellectual arguments and ideas. He's a fraud.
In your "opinion". I disagree with you.
@@vipersb1 cool
@@nans787 from Sam's book "Waking Up": "Our minds are all we have. They are all we have ever had. And they are all we can offer others." Sam seeks to remove spirituality and human connection from the institution of religion, and place it within the mind of the individual. Meaning any "spiritual nature" one has is merely a construct of their own mind, and to his credit, he doesn't throw the baby out with the bath water. Rather he believes that each person should construct their own mind in such a way as to benefit their spiritual and natural well being...Sam and I just have different views on the origin of the human spirit. i believe our spiritual nature transcends the capacity of our own minds; that your individual consciousness is not the sun that your entire existence revolves around. there's more to us than that, like dark matter in space. we don't know what it is, but we know that it's there, and that it actually makes up most of what's there. and the people who know how to appeal to that intangible, nearly undefinable departments of human nature...they are the ones who change the world for better or worse, because they can. everyone else is just debating. but i do think sam's voice is extremely valuable and am glad that you were able to find such utility in his work
I haven't read all comments here, but this is the best comment so far. I like Sam Harris but I don't agree with all of his cut&dry beliefs.
Lex is young and doesn't have the years of insight that Sam has but he does speak well for his generation - a generation of young people who in general have a good basis of empathy and equality.....and that goes for the people who struggle with mental health.
Sam misses the point. Lex knows what he’s doing. Keep on, Lex! We love you.
And now you are missing the point. Lex consistently let us know he doesn't know what he is doing but he is learning along the way and positions himself accordingly. Basically evolving as a person. He only has a fundamental pre-judgement and while he learns/understands, he shapes his own idea by talking and asking and questioning. That's the beauty of his identity.
@@denizgur you might think that I’m missing the point. I don’t.
I know Lex for many years now. He knows what he’s doing, despite having open mind and space for new ideas and experiences. That doesn’t mean he’s totally lost. Not in the least.
But I do agree that one of the beauty of his identity is his learning process.
There is no other channel like Lex’s. Sure every person is different and the contents people make on their channels are different. But there is something really special about Lex’s approach to conversation and dialog that differs from the rest.
He’s a special dude, and we should appreciate having someone like him in the social media sphere.
@@denizgur just like an AI robot
Actually, Eric Weinstein's theory has been disproven by Timothy Nguyen but Lex won't let Timothy speak on his bot cast, neither will Joe Rogan, something strange going on there.....
@@griffith500tvr is this a bot
I find Lex's interviews with these shunned members of society the most helpful. If they're evil or delusional, let them show it. If all I hear is that somebody is the worst, but I don't SEE what is so bad for myself, I'll never truly believe it, even if it's true. It's simple playground logic, but it still applies to the grown up world.
Most people are dumb and sheep tho and it's not that they don't see right from wrong, it's that they willingly ignore the wrong and use these kind of interviews as a platform to push their own agendas and narratives. There's a reason right wingers and conservatives have strongly used Joe Rogan's platform in the past and benefitted from it. People in the comments simply don't understand the psychology behind "allowing fair play" when it comes to interviews and the people we give a platform to speak. We share more responsibility than we think. Especially people like Lex and Joe Rogan.
Unfortunately, that logic doesn't work when people are putting forth uniquely harmful/insidious ideas, hence the example of Hitler.
Exactly this is why germs and other microscopic organism don't actually exist. I don't SEE them, therefor I don't need to wash my hands and can lick toilet bowls. Sure people say that they are bad. But I have never actually SEEN any germs, so they can't be bad for you.
Only when my kidneys rupture from enterococci overload will I then believe.
Sam Harris is the shady interview... not a standup guy.
You all seem to watch the videos but not listen.
Lex had the balls to post this.
W
Lex absolutely has balls.
But since when does it take balls to post a video where you're obviously right and the other guy isn't? Hah 😅
We actually need to be careful saying “we need to be careful how we treat artists,” when there is an increasing number of self-proclaimed artists out there acting out in inexcusable ways simply because they know they can hide behind their so-called artistry. Playing the victim has become an art form in and of itself in lieu of being accountable for one's actions.
Totally agree, celebrities have such an elevated status these days we must hold them to account. If Christopher Hitchens were to spew unhinged rhetoric about producing rap music we wouldn't give him a pass.
That's a great way to think if you don't appreciate the artistic process.
I think what he argued for is that you can't convince an artist the same way you do an intellectual... You can't use reason or evidence... Artists think differently therefore should be dealt differently.
I don't think he believes that artists should have some special treatment in a moral sense.
@@mathiasrennochaves3533 Exactly, he isn't saying that everyone with an instagram page can say what they want. He is saying just like when talking to a child you must consider they have a unique perspective compared to an adult there are places where nuance should be considered.
wow...new thought to me...that makes a lot of sense..in how I feel about myself, to be clear. Very good insight.
Havnt watched Sam Harris in years, cheers for reminding me why I don't know.
you say "know" I say "now"
Me to mate, Trump really did break him.
@@garthkite Trump Derangement Syndrome is a real thing.
He’s a non religious Jew, that says it all
@@thorowgood1 I would say he created a whole set of dogmas of his own Pursued to their logical end, they ended up making him as obtuse as any religious nut he so despises. I'll take my religious dogmas over his secular, so called..."rational ones" whatever the hell they are. This dude's ability to think rationally on many important things is just GONE. Trump broke this "enlightened" intellectual. I find this quite funny and the irony just beautiful.
I don't think anyone else would have tackled that Kanye interview better than Lex, at that specific time when the man was clearly going through a psychotic episode. But being said just because Sam doesn't like someone doesn't mean Lex can't show empathy or reverence towards another guest.
Sam is a batch.
Lex is literally a grifter who cosplays as this nice guy pseudo intellectual 😂 Sam is 💯 right on this.
It wasn't a psychotic episode, but shoutout Lex for having Ye on
@@OryginTech Trash take
if you think that was a psychotic episode you've never been to an inner city school
Sam Harris on Kanye - "Trump is a really bad guy"
Dale Lane!!! Haha nailed it!!
Well you certainly missed the point.
@@enemyofthethrone got nuance?
@@enemyofthethrone or humor?
Where's the lie?
I view these two as an example of how we humans should interact and disagree. I literally don’t care who is right in this conversation, because the “right” answer is so much less important than being able to have an honest conversation and disagree with respect and kindness.
@@ginxxxxx So if Sam decided to waste his time talking to Kanye, everyone else would've changed their minds too and he wouldn't have lost 75% of his net worth?
In what realm do you come to the conclusion Kanye is 100 times better than Sam, you lack logic@@ginxxxxx
@@ginxxxxx You are just rambling and making no sense no offense
I didn't claim him, I also do not claim lunatic Ye, to claim Ye is better than anyone I find interesting.@@ginxxxxx
@@MavethTheReaper Easy. Sam thinks it's permissible to preemptively attack muslim countries and support Israel's genocide in Gaza, while Kanye doesn't.
one issue with sam is that he always comes from the position that he has the answer and that he knows better... even on things that cannot be known.
Precisely. He’s insufferable
One issue with Lex is that he almost never comes from the position that he has the anwser and knows better, even on things he clearly does know better than say Joe Rogan or someone the succes of his podcast depends on!
They will both let Graham Hancock go on about ancient civilization and never say; I think that the fact you believe these ancient monolithic buildings were build using telekentic powers discredits you to the point were I don't think anyone needs to take you seriously, and I'm shocked by the fact that so many do!
Also known as having an opinion about something?
@@Georgious Graham Hancock has never said any such thing, you plonker
I think it is much more valuable to have an open and honest discourse and let people decide for themselves, rather than censoring and preventing information just because there are "risks" in spreading a harmful message. The news that Kanye said some crazy shit was already widely spread, and thanks to Lex I have a much better understanding of where he is coming from and why he is behaving that way. People who will only derive the worst conclusion will do so anyway no matter what we do.
Shut up Asian you don’t get to have an opinion on Americans
100%. Sam believes he has the right to withhold information about the world from you because he knows better than you how to structure the world. We’re just not smart enough to understand.
Duh this is why God gave us freewill
The way you put it makes it more palatable, but the overall message is blatantly wrong. The more Andrew Tate's and Kanye's we have in our public discourse, the more are the ideas similar to his normalised, making an average person with a limited worldview more likely to shift to a position a bit more towards that side. It doesn't have to be the worst possible take. It's enough to have sufficient amount of people say "Ah, but he does make some sense."
@@sai_69 yup exactly. It is dangerous. Ask ex-nazis. They didnt really know what they were following. Most people are easily fooled.
“90% of your audience is wrong”
-Sam Harris
He is an utter fool and has rightly been discredited and become obsolete
I agree with you. I couldn’t believe my eyes. What an arrogant narcissist. Why does he bother interviewing with others when he has all the answers and truth. He is exactly like a fundamental religious leader dictating dogma. I guess that’s why he dislikes them so much, they are his reflection in the mirror lol
But Sam is correct...hosting a guy who is probably in the midst of a mental breakdown on your super popular podcast is probably not the right decision. It's good that Sam is able to give this type of criticism to Lex directly.
More like, "Everyone who disagrees with me is wrong, even when I don't have a firm stance on a topic."
@@alexcaminiti he has a firm stance on the topic… having Kanye on was wrong, all of the fans who said it was a good idea were wrong.
It helped nothing. It did NOT push the conversation in a more loving or humane way.
So… these commenters can’t believe their ears at how narcissistic and rude Sam is being
AND YET
… he was correct. Shouldn’t have done it.
No matter what my political views or religious views or lack of , I got much respect for two adults that can go straight to the problems they have with each other .
Nice hot take, no one cares
Yeah except this is exactly what Sam is arguing against.
@@codyquinn4954?
I am so tired of seeing comments like this. As if friendly convo's, and cordial debates on podcasts like this are extremely hard to come by. There are what seems like millions upon millions of hours of conversations just like this one on RUclips ffs.
@@RommyAli actually if I remember it seemed like they actually had an issue, and other podcasts seem to be attacking someone else who not even there , katt Williams did it , tim pool does it , Patrick David guy does it a lot . At least these two keep it between them, if I remember, ain't watched it in awhile
@6:10 to 6:20
Perfect. Sam Harris summarized. Crated a set of options where he's right. Made it look like choice. Left out other choices.
Then denied the possibility that he could be wrong using language that exposed his subconscious. While lex opened the possibility and had a laugh, self deprecating and funny.
Thank you Lex! Keep at it.
Perfect summation. And very fair. Much more fair than am ever am I when forming critiques of Sam
@The Wandering M what's wild is that he's kind of the internet authority on ego death and free will not existing.
Yet his own ego is wild. Almost like he's a Shang Tsung of other's egos. Goes to debate and collect their egos, whines and "refuses to entertain" arguments, people, and religions he deems to be unworthy of his time. Like a child playing games who only wants to win to feed their own ego.
Establishing FRAME ...sort of thing?
Sam is right here though. You can't compare Sam Harris with Kanye west and the things that Kanye had said about people versus what Sam had said about people. This "people are just the same side of the coin" bullshit is what gets people like Trump, and now possibly God forbid, Kanye, into office.
Except he's exactly right though. You can be mad about it but it doesn't change that fact.
Is Sam really lecturing Lex on how to navigate difficult conversations when he himself refuses to have any.
I can’t believe that I really admired Sam’s critical thinking and use of precise language at one point… it’s shocking how far he has fallen in my eyes. He is no longer an intellectual…
@@danwhiffen9235 I share your general frustration regarding Sam. I still view him as a public intellectual that frankly made many mistakes. Thats fine with me. What bothers me is his refusal to debate his critics. It's not about who is right or wrong or how much of the audience is persuaded. It's the simple fact that he refuses to engage them. I want these public intellectuals to debate each other like how UFC mixed martial artists fight. It's for us the audience to witness and come to our own conclusions. Instead of derp derp fart platforming bad!
@@cheflev9884 it seems to me that he refuses to argue with them probably because it would expose that he's not always in the right. Critical debate leads to the expulsion of poorly constructed ideas. I think he'd rather be comfortable in thinking he's right than getting closer to truth
@@Moises505130 I agree with you 💯! It’s ironic that all these years of Buddhist training and meditation lead to his dissolving of “free will” and not his ego
@@cheflev9884 agreed, that's why it's been so frustrating seeing him the way he has been these past few years. I guess we have to take it with a grain of salt
Lex trying to teach Sam how friendship works is fascinating
Sam hates blacks. He is a racist jew
Hitler had friends too.
@@Filthed False equivalency.
@@Filthed almost as wild as you having friends.
@@Filthed Hitler could have used a friend like Lex.
How altruistic of Lex that he gets to host Kanye in the middle of an antisemitic tirade, get millions of views and maintain a friendly relationship and access to Kanye, all in the name of teaching the audience to be compassionate and turning the other cheek. Please.
Id prefer to hear someone talk and express their mind/ideas openly, and me decide how credible/noteworthy those ideas and person are. Kanye showed me a lot in that interview, and Kanye's words made it clear what Kanye is thinking. Everyone is vulnerable to ideas, but the best way to counter bad ideas is better ideas, and shutting down conversation does not let that process happen.
Yeah but the argument wasn’t, “you should not have had the conversation in the first place” the argument was “I personally don’t believe releasing the conversation that I just saw is going to have an overall positive effect on society.” He is making the argument that the conversation, as conducted by lex AND Kanye, failed at whatever lex was attempting to accomplish, for the very reason, that Lex didn’t counter those bad ideas well enough.
@@AJGoldie yes, Sam is correct. And Sleepy Fridman aired that for clout. Sold out his own tribe for views. Kapo
"The best way to counter bad ideas is with good ideas" tell that to hitler when he took over Germany
@@AJGoldie American society is in moral decay already.
@@pubpiss-zn1ez That must be one of the only parts of history that most Americans seem to know, and they don't even know much about that time period. Stop comparing everything with Nazi Germany.
Lex your analogy you’ve used in the past regarding Dostoyevsky’s The Idiot is spot on. That’s basically what’s going on and Sam even went so far to call your tactic naive… keep on bro, it’s not competition; we in this together and love is the answer. No one is ever a lost cause
no one is ever a lost cause, is a naive statement, although it is true we should care for others at some point u may need boundaries
@@SteadyAimCinema any given in life is a naive mindset so what's the point in trying then?
@@easonthomas4239 could you elaborate? What do you mean by any given?
Sam's approach is better.
Learn and understand the fallacy of tolerance.
@@sebm.5930 I agree with you on tolerance being a negative at a certain point, but as a media personality your job isn't to tell me what I can and cannot be tolerant of. Produce interesting content with interesting people and allow your audience to decide what they want to tolerate.
Keep on loving and trying to see the human in others lex. It's not always perfect but it spreads humanity
It's naive too. I'd like to see you claim "just love" when it comes to other anti-semites like Hitler.
@@firefly9838 you're right. It doesnt always work for every situation.
Giving a friendly platform to hate is never a good idea. Might be good for ratings but not society.
@@kurtolson6065 good point. Lex did NOT want Kanye to speak his mind. he made every effort to try to change Kanye's mind by simply stating that he was wrong. unfortunately, this attitude does not work at all with people who are stuck on a belief. they require you asking small fundamental questions until we can determine something like Kanye does not support fundamental racism, yet is racist.
@@firefly9838don’t think Kanye has killed 6 million Jews….
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"I'm going to do everyone a favor , and take the foot out of your mouth" ... followed by "I don't think the conversation should've been aired" is unfortunate and concerning from Sam . Very surprising that a man who holds himself in such a high regard is THAT anti-freedom of speech. No matter how you feel about it , everyone had the right to say it. If it is offensive or delusional, then you disregard it. People should be able to critically think for themselves and choose things that bring more light to life , that should ultimately be what we strive for , not controlling what is available.
Sam has really exposed himself as completely ego0centric and blind to his own failings. A trap wise sages don't fall into, and one he has sprung on himself.
He is an ethnosupremacist and he feels someone is questioning his superiority so all morals and reasoning no longer apply. He has the right to 'free speech' about the Muslims but not the other way around that's how that works.
He’s not arguing against free speech, Kanye is and forever will be free to speak his mind publicly in any way he can and Sam said nothing against that. Sam is criticizing the decision from Lex’s point of view to air the conversation with Kanye given the circumstances of what Kanye said and his current mental state. Sam is implying the responsibility that Lex has because of his large platform, Lex has control over what “free-speech” is said on his podcast. Not all free-speech is beneficial to society as a whole. Hateful, nonfactual speech is hard to argue for as being beneficial free speech, especially when said to such a large audience. The problem is that too many people AREN’T critical and DON’T disregard ideas that are clearly delusional, just take all the lies and hate spread in US politics that so many people believe blindly. Or just look at the very anti-semitism that has plagued society for so long, based on hatred and nonfactual claims that has murdered millions of people. Speech should always be free but to pretend that some speech isn’t dangerous is ridiculous. People with platforms that intend to educate should be aware of this and critical of what is said on their platforms.
@J. Allen Hood well said
@@IronFilmProductions I find that most people on the internet have a 7 year old's grasp of what free speech actually means. Well said by the way.
Sam, chill. Lex, you know what you’re doing. Keep doing it. Thanks
So we can't give pushback to a nut like Kanye. Very based take🙄
I absolutely love Lex just for this-- he always speaks with respect and a genuine desire to learn and understand from the people he interviews, all while keeping his own standards, and without it disintegrating into a heated argument with them. it's so nice to hear in today's world.
Then why does he block almost everyone who criticizes him?
@@neptune9443 Does he? Would you care to share your evidence for this claim? I'm skeptical as to how you would know whom a complete stranger blocks; assuming you have evidence, the claim that such person blocks "almost everyone etc." demands not just evidence of any blocking but lots of evidence specifically to support the high frequency of blocking you allege; after all of which you haven't specified a particular forum or fora in which this blocking occurs. In short, your claim sounds like the idle, sloppy throwaway of someone with an agenda - which is an impression serious people with serious thoughts avoid, especially before they have even presented their case.
TLDR: Sounds made up, dude.
@@cisium1184 crickets
@@cisium1184 you're just out of loop
@@cisium1184try posting some mild criticism to his reddit
Sam Harris is like the intellectual voice inside of my head. Every time he talks I'm always feeling like "ah yes, what the smartest side of me has to say." He is so sensical and seemingly so often spot on...lotta respect to that guy 🤙🏻
Eww not even close. Sam is the one with the mental illness Lol
@@2002honda954 I'm so happy someone else understands what I'm saying. My thoughts think as Sam Harris says. I'm not near as good as him at articulating those thoughts however. It's cool you understand me on that level and have the same dilemma so to speak.
"Over-explainers will take your silence as an acknowledgement of your incomplete understanding, and they’ll seek to rectify your ignorance while noting your willingness to learn."- Vizier
Sounds like Vizier just didn't know how to say "okay, got it"...
@@nickg2691 you haven't got it. His silence could mean many things
At the same time I feel like Harris is somehow massively over simplifying systemic ailments and glaring holes of society. Which both Trump and Kanye are both a direct and indirect reflection of.
@@bleachcool1465 I think you can say trump is an example of that, Kanye no, not at all.
Trump became the president via democracy. That’s evidence.
Kanye was loud for a year and fell off the map with little care from anyone. They aren’t the same
Nice.
All I've learned from this video is if you list things in 3s, you sound super smart
I think if he talks slowly enough and draws his words out more I might j 💤
Sam believes in censorship. That scares me. Lex is civil in his pushback. That gives me hope.
Deciding who is and isn't worth allowing on your platform of millions of viewers isn't "censorship" . . . . . .
@@2FadeMusictelling someone else who and who not to have on their podcast is censorship. This is Lex Friedman's show, not Sam Harris's. Yet here he is trying to shame a grown man for having a public conversation with a grown man.
Sam Harris with real power would be a dangerous egotistical individual.
Sam Harris is basically saying Daryl Davis (the black man who befriended KK k members and got over 200 to quit) was wrong and should never have done what he's done. And the peaceful, treat everyone with respect approach has been one of the most powerful methods mankind has
But Sam has the right to not talk to assholes and anti Semites. He's not required to engage with them.
“Sunlight is the best disinfectant.” Words to live by, Sam…
UV light has disinfectant properties...................... this does not mean it's valid treatment for a virus which is hidden from the sun.
also Trump said even dumber shit such as "injecting people with disinfectant" as well as "exposing people to sunlight" which is retard science.
He also says no amount of sunlight stops a fire in fact if it’s focused sunlight you make the fire worse. Sometime water is the only response to a fire.
@@billbob6247 Sometimes water makes the fire worse, especially with a chemical (imbalance) fire. In that case you need to smother... wait... this is turning dark
Very disappointing from Sam Harris this clip.
@@megadeuce-b7c Is this a real life "you're both pretty" moment? lol ruclips.net/video/lJUzP5akJi4/видео.html
It’s funny how everything Sam mentioned about Kanye applies to himself as well. 14:00 to 15:40 is a summary of what Kanye is coming from. So much respect to you Lex for understanding both sides and trying to offer love as a common ground for all..
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Seriously lol
Carl Jung said everything that bothers you about others tells about your own inner conflicts
You read my mind.
Exactly delusional on a Trumpian level. I believe Harris is actually more delusional than Ye
I love when two people can have a big variation of opinion but can still chill and talk about it and continue a friendship/acquaintanceship
Yeah man, absolutely. And happily and respectfully letting each other finish. Or waiting patiently while the other thinks about the question, or the formulation of his answer.
People all over America and Europe are talking about the great divide between the left and the right; the polarization that divides all our societies and even families. In my opinion, the real gap is THIS; people who have -discussions- conversations like gentlemen, versus people who turn every interaction with another human being into a Jersey Shore episode. People who are happy when they have gained new insights or a better understanding of a difficult subject, versus people who wake up and go to sleep very angry and considering themselves infallible.
That’s the power of turning the other cheek an love…nothing naive about that !!! Team Lex, always
The Power in turning the other cheek‼️ Sam Harris missed the point…perhaps
@@DC-pw6moboth men are Jews who view the spewing of anti-semitism differently, one believes it’s mental illness the other pro formative
It’s called civil discourse.
We need to allow people to be wrong even publicly. We need to trust that people can tell for themselves when something is wrong. Like rogan says, you have to let a bad idea get overcome by a better argument to defeat it. And they both have to be heard in order to do that
Me, I wouldn't let the Fuhrer speak, not if it could somehow be prevented. At a certain point speech (when so hateful, dangerous and violent) can be indefensible. what's the old adage, "a lie travels around the world 3 times before the Truth has left your lips."
Amen. I'd say *especially publicly.
Creating an environment where no one is allowed to be wrong just makes everyone quietly sit and stew on all our worst thoughts, while we manage to find people online that agree with us regardless. To change your mind about something you have to realize you're wrong and you never realize you're wrong if you're not allowed to even speak the thought.
@@twelvecatsinatrenchcoatmoreover, when communities refuse to engage with their toxic members, that toxicity creates it's own subgroup, which eventually grows to resent the original. Ostracizing and exiling those that the majority disagree with has never worked.
Except, if you are letting someone broadcast bad ideas, and aren’t actually “overcoming it with a better argument” in real time, or at least challenging it, then you run the risk of people accepting the first claim they heard and digging into their position regardless of better arguments. Have you heard what many Americans are claiming these days, despite the lack of evidence for their beliefs, and in the face of “better arguments?”
@@roems6396 The real difference here is we think people should be allowed to think for themselves, while you believe someone else should be in charge of all the thinking for us.
“The display of you willing to do that, has power”
Lex means, if you’re intentionally kind & loving towards those who you disagree with, that that in itself has power. Which is really love.
Loving your enemy; the Gospel message.
Exactly right. it can disarm them too, because they're always primed and tensed up for an argument, and you can watch people start to soften and weaken in their kind of "solid" mind state and come to some sort of agreement, and it just becomes two people talking, it can be really beautiful.
but of course not everyone is like that, but that's not important, whats important is you reaching out that kindness and love in the first place while still standing your own ground and also with a flexible mind.
@@Spicy_Spores 😎🙏 yes! What a beautiful soul you are! Thank you for that resonance & may you continue to spread your love & light fam 🌹❤️
Love is power. And sadly, Sam sounds like an angry man these days. He has given anger power over him. Which leaves precious little room in his heart for love. Seems like he's starting to lose love for himself. Must be frightening for him.
I’ve never engaged with Sam before and I’m sort of glad. This was so disappointing to watch. He became so hyper focused on the point of the conversation with Kanye ONLY being about Kanye when Lex emphasized multiple times the benefit to everyone else in just witnessing the conversation happening. I found this podcast because of the Kanye interview and I’m left of center with most of my political opinions. Sam saying that even listening with love is like a gale force storm of nonsense is so arrogantly dismissive.
Lex, keep doing what you’re doing. Love is the most powerful force in the world. End of story. I find Sam pitiable that he doesn’t recognize that.
Are you a grown man? Serious question. If Kanye were an individual preaching outright White Supremacy, no one would be spewing this "Love" trope; people would be criticizing the man. Sam only holds anti-Semitism as an ideology that is as bad as other racial ideologies, and that's why his opinion is what it is. Everyone wants to make excuses for Kanye because of his celebrity status, etc. No other individual would be as apologized for as a manic rapper. lmao
Sam is highly over rated. You haven't missed much he's been wrong about everything important for the past 5 years.
For real. Sam has been on a downward spiral for years. Still more intelligent than myself, but, he lets his emotions guide him now, and being a slow deliberate speaker cannot disguise it.
Hell yeah man you are spot on.
Sam is spot on here. Most podcasters are now putting entertainment and spectacle as the #1 priority. How does no one sees what’s wrong with broadcasting a guys’ psychotic manic episode to millions of people? Even if your main priority is showing love to Kanye, the most loving thing to do would be have a private conversation with him and help him seek mental help.
We need more people like Lex that opens up the doors for communication with opposing views to our own. If we simply Cancel people, how will they grow? How will their resentment NOT turn in to hate?
Why is it our responsibility to make people grow? If we just invade Germany and stop hitler from taking over the world, how will he come to realize that he's wrong on his own? At some point this compassion is just stupidity or being extremely naïve.
Sam Harris has always been this way, it’s just that conservatives never noticed because Harris was agreeing with their views on Islam.
The cracks for Harris emerged during his debates with Daniel Dennett about free will. Dennett’s approach was that it’s interesting, but ultimately fruitless argument. Harris was dead set that it needed to figured out and that if free will doesn’t exist, then it should be hidden from people because that truth would cause them to go insane and destroy humanity. It’s Sam navel gazing and panicking over imaginary shit while Dennett sits there thinking “whatever, nobody cares about this shit and even if it was true, a lot of people wouldn’t even believe it.”
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@@DR.DisInfect , 🙄🖕
Sam has discussions with people with opposing views more often then Lex does because Lex mostly agrees with everyone. Its not that Kanye disagrees with him, its that Kanye is potentially having a serious mental break down which people are making worse by just going along with it, as if it were a reasonable position to have. There are millions of people who believe the exact same things Kanye does, he is not an original thinker, if you ever go to a trailer park and talk to random people, some of them will say the same anti Jewish conspiracies Kanye does. The only reason anyone is talking about Kanye is because he is famous for mainstream music, why should we be giving him any attention, I would rather hear a random guy from a trailer park saying these things, at least then I would actually believe he is being genuine.
As a black man growing up in PHILADELPHIA which has the largest population of black Muslims in America I can tell you that Sam is WAY off when talking about Jewish hate in black communities. Kids playing "knock out" is aimed at EVERYONE -- Not just orthodox Jews.
Lex is behaving always like such a gentleman and and a kind soul that in my opinion nobody who watches him could become more antiemetic by watching him. The opposite would be the case I think.
Well he definitely makes me want to throw up.
He’s Jewish so very unlikely.
Antiemetic? How do you mean that? Not taking the word literally and supplanting it with what I assume you were trying to say given the context around the word, I would argue against you. Just check the comments of the other recently uploaded clips with Sam. Plenty of people watch Lex purely for confirmation of their own bias. Stupid people think they're smart. I don't profess to be saying anything profound in pointing that out, but it's worth reiterating. Literally every other comment on the other uploads is people calling Sam "stupid". Sadly, that's a lot of Lex's audience, although not all. The point, however, is that I believe you are mistaken (imagining what I think you were trying to say).
Indeed listening to lex reduces my nausea and makes me less likely to throw up
@@benrashall7195why?
Good old Sam Harris. Very quick to personally attack or criticise people, but he himself has the thinnest skin when someone criticises him.
He does have thin skin, but he's right on this discussion with Kanye. Instead of attacking sam, why don't you attack his argument?
lex is different and is not going to interview someone the way Sam would or anyone. he’s true to himself. Just like lex said the best thing is to make it simple n true. I think lex did a great job in that interview with Kanye with everything he had to deal with. But would love to maybe see an interview with Sam an Kanye im sure it’s not as easy as it sounds in ur mind.
Brilliant conversation. They both presented very real and very deep points in a calm, respectful, and articulate way. You gotta love it.
Imagine what a wonderful place the world would be if everyone left their ego at home and discussed different opinions like these gentlemen.
@@mattberg6816 yeah nothing would change, everything is ideals with these people. we need visionairies like kanye
sam "good vibes" harris
@@floorijzerman Kanye “hitler was a great guy” west
@@mattberg6816 Dude they’re talking about Kanye… 😂😂😂 I love that this is your “seemingly” first encounter of civil discourse! 😂 Just the most ridiculous/niche thing “oh golly, they really went into this one in good faith!”
@@1whippple1 yeah bud it’s wall to wall civil discourse in media these days. I can’t believe I forgot.
11:28 Sam describes himself to Lex's audience.
True
lmaooo true
lol
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Facts
Lex, you're exactly right about love. Love isn't always agreement. Sometimes it means challenging someone to help them change and grow. But most importantly, it means having the trust to let people see where they are wrong. I was a fan of Kanye for years. I still respect Ye for his incredible musical talent, but your interview with him was the only one which really showed the public the dangers of the dark ideas he was dabbling in (and likely, still is). And in a similar way, you've done the same thing for us here with Sam Harris. I was never as inspired by Sam as by Kanye, but I did watch him occasionally. I don't really agree with his views on religion, but to see Sam, who used to fight so strongly against religious excesses and for individual liberty, being so unreflective, elitist, dogmatic, and blinded by his own biases is just disappointing.
You're a fantastic interviewer, keep it up.
Fantastic comment man, damn lol
He seemed pretty reasonable to me
@@CreatureColossus nah, sam was riding a high horse on this one bud..quite surprising actually..
I see. I always had the feeling that this was who Sam really was when I was listening to him in conversations before.
But happy to hear I'm not the only one seeing that now.
Sam is speaking from an emotive standpoint. He should have listened more during this podcast.
Facts how about us blacks that know they make money of us look what lyor cohen said about why he signs killers he said “ I got to make m on ey somehow “ shits sick the way these people get mad as if their the special ones
In a 'perfect world' everyone would get along... the reality is that there are blacks that don't like jews and there are jews that don't like blacks. It makes sense that a jewish person would be offended by a personal attack, but does a jew get offended when a black is being personally attacked and decides to say something and stand up for the black person? (Until such time as the jewish community makes more of an effort to defend non jews that are being attacked and chooses to condemn jews that attack others, then jews have no reason to expect (or demand) others speak up and stand up for them.
@@ItsMe-yv9jd What on earth are you even trying to express there? What is even the analogy in this case
Sam Harris is the kinda guy that wants to be your friend but sends you a letter beforehand with all the reasons why you shouldn't be friends.
In summary, Sam criticising others. What I learned from Sam, nothing.
Then you totally missed Lex’s point then, if you learnt nothing. You could edit your comment correctly and say “what I learned from Sam, doesn’t align with my views”. Perfectly fine statement. But to say you learnt NOTHING? Really?
@@TubaTones I learned something from how Lex responded to Sam’s criticism with openness and humility.
And yes, Sam didn’t provide me with any value-add that I can apply to my daily life.
Maybe because you have the attention span of a cricket.
@@waunairobi Like don't broadcast someone's mental breakdown on public airwaves? Try to help them seek psychiatric care instead. Imagine having a bipolar family member and deciding to interview them on social media. The timing of this interview did not help Kanye.
@@SteveHubbardGuitar dont bother he is not interested, he made his mind up long ago
This is such valuable exchange. I really appreciate how this conversation is held. I wish more people would consider this way of dealing with a disagreement or different opinions.
They both neglected the main point about Kanye. He has been surrounded by yes men for 25 years. He doesn't understand the word no. Mentally ill or not, he has been able to walk this earth with no conflicting opinions about anything he believes to be truth. He is his own echo chamber.
@@Kestrel66 I agree...
No one cares and no one will remember your name
Totally. Because they haven't become emotionally invested. However, the flip side of doing that, is sometimes conversations require that emotional investment, which is probably what Kanye needs: "no Kanye, that is wrong, you are being an asshole". Like the time Jay Leno challenged him.
The average person isn't listening, and even if they do, they don't understand short pauses in conversation to let the other person gather their thoughts and then continue uninterrupted. I've often noticed this among intellectuals as well. Any short pause is an opportunity seized by the other side to take an opportunity to interrupt and explain themselves or views. When this happens, the person who took the pause doesn't get to finish his speech, doesn't get the point across because of the interruption, and then it turns into arguing. lol
Censorship is never good. If someone has ideas that are extreme, their ideologies should be confronted and challenged publicly, not hidden or pushed down - obfuscated or ignored. That is cowardice.
100% agree. Not only is this cowardice but it also pushes those beholders of extreme ideas to the underground where they are then allowed to ferment through the power of their echo chamber and the frustration of not being able to speak their mind will transform their crappy opinions into something more extreme.
I rather have everyone be able to talk their mind which allows then everyone else to make up their mind about them. If someone wants to make an ass out of themselves then everyone should be able to see that.
The problem is, that the people that advocate for censorship always pretend that the public is full of idiots who cant handle the truth. In the end, censorship limits ones full expression, forces opposing views into secrecy, and ontop of that also insults the public as stupid. I fail to see the good of any of those outcomes.
Not inviting someone on your podcast is not censorship. By that standard, every person that hasn't yet been on his podcast is being censored.
The problem with Ye isn't that he is extreme, it's that he is incoherent in his statements and has nothing to bring to the table. You don't need to go out of your way and broadcast every crazy person you found on the NYC subway to make sure that you're not suppressing speech.
If Lex was actually concerned about hearing Kanye out and attempting to persuade him that his thinking is flawed, then he would have done it in private. The only reason Lex had him on was for a boost in views and subscribers, which fair enough that's a legit business move, but let's not pretend he had Kanye on for any other reason than that.
Correct
I love lamp
It's also crazy to me that Sam advocates not having conversations and not bringing conversations to the public.
Something changed in him, and I think that was Trump. I remember him acting all irrationally about Trump when he was first elected. We all knew that Trump was a narcissist but we also knew every other president before him was also a narcissist. Look at how Obama acts. He gets on stage and is completely snarky and demeaning. They are all the same, but Sam just went off the rails after that.
It's very obvious that he's 100% a statist, there can only be ONE official story and everything else is not even considered.
EVERYTHING must be done behind the scenes to match the OFFICIAL story.
It's very obvious everything he said went right over your head
The problem is that lex didn't have a backbone during his interview with Kanye and allowed him to say some outlandish things without rebuttal
@@megadeuce-b7c the problem is trump tells so many lies that you physically cannot call it out in real time. You cannot keep up with it.
The problem with conversations with people like Kanye or a flat early is that they drop so many false facts at once that you simply cannot address all of them.
Sam says he doesn’t “pretend to understand “ then pretends to understand for the next ten minutes while lex patiently waits for the rest of sams thought to Congeal into a coherent tantrum about lex being too loving about the wrong things because Sam is outraged by Kanye
I love your response to the criticism. You're amazing lex!
That is a great example of two people who respect each other and respectfully arguing their points on a minefield subject, giving a platform to someone who can influence negatively upon society. I agree with Sam's assessment here and find Lex's argument weak. It seemed Lex was simply looking for the ability to justify a poor decision of having someone famous on his podcast and negating the weight of responsibility he had to his audience. I think Lex is amazing BTW, he is a great mind. On this topic though I have to completely agree with Sam.
You're just inviting the Streisand effect at that point. You'll also invite people to seek other platforms, further increasing polarization within the public's discourse. Bad ideas need to be defeated by good ideas out in the open, point blank.
These two have such soothing voices that this is as heated as they can get at each other and it’s still comforting
Kanye may not be a genius but Sam Harris is just supporting Kanye's attitude toward Jews by his idea of shutting everyone he wants based on their thoughts
Pretty weird that you're in favour of platforming someone who wants to go on a full on antisemitic tirade with 0% chance of listening to any other argument. It's weird how many people don't understand what Sam is saying here.
@@olgil Mybe they do understand, but just don't agree
So we should allow about Isis to come and spread their hate to on Podcasts without saying anything or trying to shut them down. It’s such a ridiculous notion that we should allow anyone to say anything without speaking up against it.
@@leex648 It's fine to healthily disagree, which is what we just watched Sam and Lex do. People in the comments are acting like Sam has lost his mind as well as all credibility by saying that it was a bad idea to offer a mentally ill bigot a platform while he's pretty clearly having a manic episode. If you can't see where Sam is coming from and acknowledge that it's a valid point then you're probably too much of a fan of Lex to listen to an alternative viewpoint.
@@olgil Both Sam and You think that your opinions are worth more than they actually are.
Projection is a psychological defense mechanism where an individual attributes their own unacceptable thoughts, emotions, or traits onto someone else. In the case of Sam's strong reaction to Kanye West and Donald Trump's ego, it could be argued that Sam is projecting his own ego onto these individuals.
It's possible that Sam is uncomfortable with his own ego and the ways in which it manifests, such as feeling superior to others or seeking attention and validation. When he sees Kanye and Trump exhibiting similar behaviors, it triggers a strong emotional response in him because it reminds him of his own ego-driven tendencies.
However, rather than acknowledging and addressing his own ego, Sam may unconsciously deflect and externalize it onto these public figures. By doing so, he avoids confronting his own ego and can instead focus on criticizing and condemning the behavior of others.
Damn. You hit the nail on the head.
Ouch
Yeah, this is obvious to me. He really lacks any kind of true faith/or spirituality which leaves him with no true reflection. He might "think" he is reflecting on something but is rather projecting a majority of the time, and doesn't even seem to realize it. Very egotistical. The rational mind that is.
that's a BINGO!!
This is intellectually equivalent to a GF saying, "I cheated because you complemented me so much that I felt smothered and pressured. I guess I didn't see what you saw in me. I just needed an escape." You used a lot of words but said absolutely nothing. 😂
15:50 To be fair, if you do define yourself as _the_ Chosen People, you can't expect *not* to have a storm coming.
Hopefully not violent.
I personally don't see it that way, yet it's worthwhile to look at it from others' perspectives and try to get at their resentment.
Jews don't go around thinking they are chosen or better then. Some do most do not
Lex, continue what you are doing. The power of Love is what you are about. Even with vile human beings.
Like Sam Harris
@CS I don't think Sam is a vile human being. Just someone very firm in his ideas. And sometimes it pass off as stubbornness and arrogance. This puts off many people that otherwise would listen to him.
@@Paulomedi do you think kanye is vile
Are you implying that Sam is vile? God help you if you are.
@@craigr4763 how
Well done Lex. Very thoughtful. Very patient.
I thought Lex's interview with Kanye was a bit of a trainwreck, but Lex did defend himself well here and I think he has a good point.
i thought it was too, and i thought it could have easily been avoided by Lex not inputting statements that Kanye obviously didn't agree with which made him mad, and Lex should have asked more questions.. for example, why do you believe that? what specific information lead you to that conclusion? etc..
It's almost as if having a conversation with someone having a psychotic episode isn't very productive
I have so much respect for both points of view. At the time I watched Lex’s interview with Kanye, I thought it was a little risky to do so, and I wanted to learn more about Kanye (not a fan of him or his music, just because I’ve never been interested) and I tried to understand him. But the whole time I got the sense that he was very ill. I respect lex for having a conversation with him, and for wanting to understand this views. I also respect that Sam took issue with it - it could be seen as giving him a bigger platform. But conversations are hard. Intense conversations are harder.
Absolutely, the best thing you can do is expose it. Keep going Lex
Agreed. A lot of people argued that Kanye wasn't racist before Lex interview saying that the media wanted to frame him in a particular way. The way Lex held the conversation have made this argument obviously flawed.
Bad ideas can only be beating with good ideas.
If you silence bad ideas in public, they only fester in private.
I'm glad Lex interviewed Kanye.
Great point
Thank you for speaking with kanye even though we might not agree with his view
May truth and love prevail, love your work Lex 👍🏻
Which part do you not agree with?
@@Valkonnen uh thr part where Kanye says he loves hitler and nazis aren’t so bad ? Literal words from his mouth, have you not seen the interview with Kanye?
Do you not disagree with Kanye ?
@@NickolaiPetrovitch Kanye, if YOU watched the interview, is not a smart guy. He has an 85 I.Q. and is not articulate, yet fancies himself a "Genius". His "Music " is Autotune Garbage. Now not only does he have a "Genius Complex" but in the case of the interview, he was trying to have a "Jesus Complex". He was saying that there is good in everyone, even though they may do terrible things . He said that Hitler "Had Good in him" and therefore in his inarticulate way, said "I love Hitler" repeatedly. he did this because he just isn't smart, isn't articulate enough to say things in the proper way. He's a dummy. You should put whether there was bad intent at the forefront. Do YOU think that this inarticulate dummy, saying "I love Hitler" meant that he condoned the deaths of 6,000,000 Men, Women, Children, and babies? I don't know ANYONE who thinks that. So lets look at another possibility , Could his over inflated ego, coupled with , being surrounded by people who NEVER tell him the truth, and his lack of articulation, was actually his failed intent to be all forgiving, and evolved into something other than a mere human being. He can look at the "Good" in and have love for, even Hitler,. In his mind he was being above everything...Get it?
Didn’t really agree with Sam at the first half. But the more he breaks down anti-semitism and how they’re the enemy of extremists of both the left and the right, it offers a whole new perspective.
One great listener and a guy who "knows."
Holy shit the irony of what Sam is claiming about Kanye at 11:25 is amazing. Pot meet kettle
You're a gentleman, Lex. Obviously Sam is allowed his opinion but so am I, and mine is that I hope you don't change your approach to interviewing.
Sam is right. And Ye could use a friend like Sam while he wades through whatever he's going through.
I think Lex's audience is capable enough of some respectfull critical thinking towards the guests and their ideas and, as far it's known, their situation. Also something people pick up from a good host like Lex. Ofcourse I would highly recommend to Sam to apply it in his own life
You’re right on lex, this world needs more open hearts. Nothing is black and white and patience and understanding hold more power than anything in this word. ❤
Well, yes, but the problem is that Kanye doesn't have an open heart. That's part of what Sam Harris is saying. There has to be a point where you say, "I'm not going to talk in public with someone who shows know sign of reciprocating with a likewise open heart." To bring about more "open hearts", you have to engage with people who will reciprocate. Privately you can try this all you want, I mean you're welcome to bang your head against a brick wall. But doing it in public is in some ways, endorsing head banging brick walls. I'm trying to be a little humorous here, but my point is serious.
Absolute podcast interview gold. Lex, you are a Giant in this space 🙌😂👏🦾
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After years of consuming his Content, one thing, I’ve definitely noticed about Sam Harris is he lacks humility and has a dark shadowy ego. Way to stand strong in defending your loving and empathetic approach Lex. God bless you
Oh, please. Harris is correct in suggesting one should call out assholes in a thoughtful, ethical manner.
Harris is insufferable, intellectually sluggish, and an egomaniac. I’ve never seen him make a cogent point against Peterson, Hitchens, Fridman, or anyone.
I didn’t notice a lack of humility or dark shadowy ego. Can you point to a timestamp to help me out?
Oh, please. God has NOTHING to do with this.
@@kurtshaw229The fact that he says there's only 3 possibilities, mental illness, being an asshole or both, without being in a position of authority for any of those things alludes to this. He says it in a matter of fact way when he should've put it across as his opinion. For someone who has been a part of countless debates and public speeches, it's hard to assume that it was a mistake.
The gall of Sam making any moral judgements is in unquantifiable
Lex actually questioning/pushing back with Kanye was one of the better Lex interview in my opinion where we saw more than his considerate (and sometimes wishy washy) side drop off and where Lex was great like you know he would be if not so confusing consideration/politeness with wisdom as a strangely self-identifying introvert!
Sam is stuck in 2016, inside of a bubble of success, that will never be pierced. He’s no longer the source of any useful ideas going forward 🙏🏾 I don’t mourn his loss because I trust he can find peace if he really wants it.
Spot on.
"I hate the words anti-semitism and racism because it describes people I want to bring on my podcast."
I swear the comments didn't actually watch the video and read the title or the first few minutes. Sam is spot on.
Yet he cries when he is criticised for allowing racist shit go unchallenged
100% spot on. Why do people give Kanye a platform. He's uneducated. His points are nonsensical. He really is meaningless in the world of provoking thought, education, etc.
@doug barker I'm not too sure he even manages this when the only person in the room is Fridman
@doug barker Thanks Doug, but the truth is your evidence base for that is as sound Harris's claim that leftists want to be raped by Muslims
I don't agree with Harris on everything but, on this topic, he's nailed it. Lex should have never interviewed that "god only in his own mind" a-hole. It didn't help Lex's credibility. If Lex wants to continue getting interviews with scientists, innovators, etc. it doesn't help to give a platform to a anti-Semitic, misogynistic loon. I'm no fan of cancel culture and I'm all for giving a voice to different sides of a debate but West spouts conspiracy theories and hate and offers nothing but that. He's not an intellectual. He's a man filled with hate and desperately wants attention. Why give it to him while at the same time hurting one's own reputation? I love Lex's podcast and I think Lex is awesome but that interview was a mistake.
One of the main reasons we love people like you, rogan etc are because you’ll host almost anyone. As far the audience re concerned, we’re happy to hear almost everyone. The have ex criminals etc. on all the time and it’s no issue (nor should it be). The people and audience aren’t children. They can listen and make up their own minds. This is the real reason no one watches any news interviews etc. bunch of rehearsed bullshit where no real question gets asked
Lex had one of the most effective conversations with Ye, where he confronted him on his antisemitic views, and his disturbing behavior. Lex asked Ye real, effective questions from a thoughtful and honest perspective.
I will never respect someone who censors speech no matter how absurd it is. Let the people make up their own minds.
Sam been jumping the shark so much, the sharks are writing to Spielberg for help.
Honestly what's the difference from the way Kanye feels about the Jews and the way Sam feels about religious people? Has Kanye written books denouncing Jews? Sam has written books demonizing groups of people.
🤦🏻 WoW you’re seriously comparing the logic and philosophy between someone that has no idea of what those words mean and an intellectual that is lightyears ahead.
If you don’t understand the differences between these two, you don’t know the two and you have no business commenting. And if you know these two, you’re something else.
@@ZaChYmO Do you mean these two instead of this two?
Sam Harris doesn't have the full scope of the extension of influence that Kanye West has spread in the contemporary global culture.
Lex needs to understand that part of loving someone is holding them accountable. Love shouldn't only lead to some kind of pure unadulterated compassion. This is also my issue with Joe Rogan. You cannot just invite whoever you want on your show and let them speak unchallenged. Yes, you can platform whoever you want, but it needs to be done responsibly.
Ahhh shut up
It seems you didn't actually watch the interview with Kanye
I think the one biggest fallacy in Sam’s thinking within this clip is that he thinks listeners don’t have the ability to discern information for them selfs. Sam him self when debating Lex about the topic of, should we let kanye speak openly on podcasts or not, uses information he studied and learned from watching kanye speak on many different podcasts, including lex’s. He directly references many things he has heard from Kanye’s appearances on podcasts as the reasons why he shouldn’t be allowed on podcasts. That is very harmful thinking on Sam’s part, and is completely backwards.
I’m probably part of the 90% of lexs listeners that sam said are wrong, but I ask you this Sam; what is wrong with my experience as a listener?
After I listened to the lex kanye podcast, I got to come to my own conclusions about Kanye. And it was clear to me he is very wrong with his categorization and blanket labeling of groups as Jews, among many other things. And it became even more clear how much of an egomaniac he is, and he seems very unwell. And I think those things are both very unhealthy and wrong. (Which was most of what I was hearing people thought too) But also I sensed undertones of sadness and brilliance with some of his thoughts. Nonetheless it was very interesting and helped me gain a more nuanced opinion of Kanye. It’s strange to me that you can gain insight and opinions from watching kanye speak openly, but think it shouldn’t be allowed to the public.
How do you think Jan 6 happened? From peoples "ability to discern"??
you sound stupid
Sams unable to fathom that people can make their own opinion without his say so.
Lex conducted the Kanye interview better than anyone else I’ve seen. He talked to him exactly how I wished someone would!
It's not about what you wish.
What did you learn?
Lex is next level.
Love the discourse.
I think you two identified an inherent trade off. The benefit of extending empathy , understanding and a public platform to a “bad actor” is offset by propagating their bad ideas.
There’s likely a line where one outweighs the other. Where Kanye falls on that line , I genuinely have no idea.
I think there’s room for some platforms shunning and criticizing someone openly anti-Semitic, and others practising empathetic listening followed by loving push back.
What a balanced review! And funny. I wish we all could laugh more, talk it out and then say “I have no idea” more… haha
I don't think anyone is being convinced by Kanye to be anti-jewish or racist. Anyone who agrees with him did so beforehand. I think it is better to air these things out and confront them instead of try to shun and hide their point of view instead of debate them.
@@bolenarrow9286 and of they do, listening to Kanye will certainly embolden them, and that is a net negative. All actions have consequences/outcomes that arise
Harris’ description of Kanye as egocentric is pure projection. Sam is describing himself exactly. Listen back and see Sam as describing himself. See what I mean.
100%
Sam Harris is essentially saying, cancel Kanye West ('don't invite him on shows and put a microphone in front of him'). Very interesting stuff. It's no problem for Sam to dump on Islam and Muslims, but when a guy is doing that to Jews, suddenly there a problem. It's always nuanced and intricate when it's happening to you, isn't it?
No, that isn't the essence of what Sam Harris was saying. You should try actually reading Sam. His problem with the Muslim _faith_ (essentially) is parts of doctrin advocating murder of nonbelievers, and those adherents who actively harm others in the sincere belief that they are doing God's work as commanded. Please quit putting words in his mouth when it's obvious you don't know squat about what Sam says, let alone the essence of his thinking.
@@santacruzman What does the Bible and Torah say about the 75+ year genocide of Palestinians and land theft that Jews and Christians have been supporting and/or perpetrating. What does it say about the crusades? Beheading 3 million Muslims in 3 days. It's all the same. You'll find justification for anything in any religion, because people see what they want to see and interpret how they like. Sam Harris is nothing more than an intellectual racist.
6:10 illustrates the humble and reconciliatory place lex is in and the arrogance of Sam.
Annexing ppl and not having conversations with them even if theyre wrong never works. Just allows them to continue to build on what they assume is right instead of correcting or shedding insight
i dont think Sam said no one should talk to Kanye. He said doing it publicly is injustice to Kanye and the audience. At first I was kind of taken a back by what he was saying but as i continued to listen, I can actually see Sam’s point.
Since the start of this whole thing this is the first time I've seen someone say 'Im not so sure it's mental illness's and someone else say 'okay let's put the mental illness aside'
Lex is an awesome life force.
Yeah Kanye was pretty incoherent... Lex should have just scrapped it. I don't think anything was gained. Other than showing Kanye is unstable.
If anything, time has shown Kanye is very right about the things he said.