These Scrolls Got Destroyed by a Volcano, But It’s Fine
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- Опубликовано: 14 май 2024
- The eruption of Mt Vesuvius buried the cities of Pompeii and Herculaneum, and one ancient library was burned to a crisp. However, scientists are now using machine learning and AI to decipher the writing on them and recover lost works of ancient philosophy.
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"Mostly destroyed is still slightly intact" tell me why I was having flashbacks to that "mostly dead" scene from The Princess Bride 😂
"Have fun reading the scrolls!"
Get back witch!
Now I'm craving MLT
MLT when the mutton is nice and lean
Why, that's inconceivable.
I think it's sort of gross that this was a massively crowdsourced project, yet the final scanned images are copyrighted instead of being Public Domain. Actually, even if they WERE scanned totally through the work of one person, these are still ancient documents and should be in the Public Domain anyways.
I love it when contests encourage scientific and engineering breakthroughs.
True. Prizes for making an invention public rather than keeping it as a trade secret are underrated. Recall the receipe for Roman concrete was lost and only recent rediscovered, just one example of many.
They can encourage innovation and creativity, but they can also lead people to try and solve it on their own for the money. Working collaboratively with people from different fields is not only faster sometimes, but they prevent each other from making mistakes that can cause harm. This is especially true with a unique or historical object that cannot be replaced. For example, an expert on lasers would be much more successful if a historian helped them fully understand the materials and techniques used to create the item. One good thing, though, is it gives the money to the people doing the actual work, not big corporations.
I like this new informal presentation style. It is more intimate and does not require the presenter to stand the whole time. It feels less forced.
I like it too!
Well looking at his girth, it doesn’t looks like he can stand that long anyways
@@jeromefitzroy Disgusting to say, but he has no problem doing it. He has been in many other videos before, mostly on side channels of SciShow.
@@jeromefitzroyasshole, he stands in every other video and looks great doing it - take this attitude elsewhere
@@jeromefitzroyyou clicked on this video to learn something, but all you’ve done is reveal your inability to put aside your inside thoughts for the sake of a cheap jab. so, uh, congrats?
Enjoying the more relaxed, sit and chill style
now if only they could change up the random quotes that they include exactly rather than paraphrasing… They often contain quirks of speech patterns in them. It’s really odd to me.
This is what AI should be being used for not making terrible art and writing bad articles
Or min-maxing corporate profit at the expense of employee interests.
More like making terrible art that is a stolen Frankenstein conglomeration from thousands of artists online...
But agreed!
Also crappy voices that lousy channels use.
I have news for you: The A.I. HE ALREADY DRAWS WELL (yes, even the hands and other details), so...
Why not both? Watching this video I get the idea, that AI is used to do what is shown in the video about how AI is doing what is shown in the video.
Theres a very big difference between "mostly destroyed" and "all destroyed".
Yes, slightly intact, like he said.
Do ancient scrolls have "loose change?" 🤣
Hey? Hello in there. Hey, what's so important? Whatcha got there that's worth livin' for?
@@myuu22 a nice mlt
@@myuu22 To blave!
FIRST (a robotics group that runs competitions for kids) is HUGE on this idea of "part cooperation, part competition" and even has a term specifically for that, "Coopertition".
RIP Woodie Flowers
I had completely forgotten about that word! Me and my team where the winner at worlds on year but that was forever ago now. It was either when I was in 7th or 8th grade. We'd go around saying coopertition all the time cause we thought it was funny.
I really wish this was more common in STEM. Imagine how much progress would be made in treating diseases like malaria or cancer if this model was being followed in all medical research.
1:29 +1 for the *Princess Bride* reference
Can't get enough of this guy! I love that computers and AI are being used outside of chat bots and desk weights. Keep up the good work Reid and the SciShow team.
In case the writer was worried no one would pick up a subtle Princess Bride reference, someone noticed. ❤️❤️
It would have been very interesting if the scroll were about Epicurean philosophy, but it clearly said "to blave".
They know their audience. I feel for the 5 ppl who didn't get it.
@Tim3.14 And we all know "to blaithe" means "to bluff" so you were probably playing cards and he cheated!
I love it. All that text, theres bound to be some never-before-seen stuff in there... Cant wait to see the results! 😁
Im hoping for Sapphic poetry
I remember reading about this once the challenge had completed! Really exciting to see yall covering it, this is the beginning of a whole new wave of exciting historical knowledge!
I've been following the story of these scrolls for a couple years and I'm EXCITED that our tech has finally gotten to the point we can decipher them. I'm hoping we find missing/lost texts like the missing books of the Illiad.
And your reference to The Princess Bride wasn't missed, btw. "Only mostly destroyed", indeed.
He isn't dead, he mostly dead.
New set looks very cozy
Imagining archaeologists 5000 years from now trying to recover my diaries from when I was 8 and giving away loads of money to whoever can read "today I ate glue"
Looking chilled and casual there on your big comfortable chair Reid. Yet more brilliant fun science. Thanks guys.
At first the new studio felt weird, after so many years. But now I love it! 😊
+1 for Miracle Max reference.
Loving the cozy living room set vibes instead of a green screen! (And laughing about how you’re technically an “armchair scientist” at the moment 😂)
Those CT scan animations are making me crave croissants and phyllo treats 😂
“What do we got, John?”
“It’s the Bible again!”
*entire lab groans*
I’m Christian but that was funny lol
Lol I would personally find it interesting to see what differences there are between the ancient and modern translated biblical texts
Just throw away anything found to be rewrites of that rag. It deserves to be lost to time. Same with all holy texts.
This is some amazing stuff! Humans do really cool stuff when we work together and share information.
Love the Princess Bride reference at 1:30
Possible newly discovered Epicurean texts is extremely exciting! Epicurus is my favorite ancient philosopher, but we have very few writings that survived to today.
I love the set for the host, looks comfy 🤗
This new fuzzy chair is giving such Cool Professor vibes
Really enjoying the new background for this series. That chair looks mostly comfy... And last weeks Reid introducing himself on several older videos about the eclipse was funny but neat. Glad AI is able to assist with discovery of ancient scrolls. 🥶🖤🔔👍🏻❤️
Very cool topic and I like this set. It's stylish and flatteringly lit and I enjoy the host sitting down and seeming comfy! 💜
All this to read a piece from Epicuros telling you to enjoy life
Loving this new set up!!
I love your new laid back set.
I love the Princess Bride reference. Mostly dead = slightly alive.
Thank you patreons!
Thank you, potatoes! 🥔
.... (🍟)
Loving Reid's new casual / tropic studio setup
The overtones in this man’s voice are insane!
I watched, recently, the episode of Unearthed which showcased these scrolls. What a fun video to see
This is a brilliant story, can't wait to find out what else they discover from these scrolls
I’m so excited about this 💯😁
Love these videos
Awesome stuff! Note on terminology though: 'parchment' refers specifically to the material substrate of any handwritten text, that is a scroll (in this case) made from prepared and stretched animal skins - not scrolls made from papyrus, which i assume is the case with these scrolls.
That would be quite exciting, since much of what we know about Greek and Roman writings come from partial notes and off-handed citations. We mostly have access to the stuff that survived to medieval Irish monks to copy and further survived burning from vikings.
1:29 something something Princess Bride, something something “He’s only ‘mostly’ dead…”
cool. i hope there will be some interesting writings discovered.
This is how society is supposed to work. Love it!!
I love Reed 😊
Inconceivable!
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Even as a kid, I thought it was incredibly sad that hundreds of these scrolls have been destroyed by people thinking they could unroll them
a total WOW!!!
POV: You're in the waiting room at a pediatrician's office, and Reid is talking your ear off.
I lost it with the Princess Bride reference.
My first thought was yay new old things to read. My second was, I hope there's enough to make a new book or 10.
Very cool
Very cool.
Wow this shows the benefits of AI that aren't mentioned much these days!
this is why I love the potential of AI
Ever since I first learned of this, I've been fantasizing about what could possibly be in there.
What a glowup of Scishow green screen today! All hail clever computer algorithms!
Mostly destroyed is still slightly in tact? Okay, Miracle Max
Impressive
while on the one hand i want to go "they won the nobel prize for reading a scroll? >.>"
on the other hand:
they ONLY won a Nobel prize?! they read a scroll that got caught up and burried in a VOLCANIC eruption.
This is one of the technologies anyone born less then 30 years ago should think not possible! :D
amazing!!
There's so much dirt to uncover at Pompeii. There's bound to be more cool stuff there
I saw document restoration of a burnt document on MacGyver.
Ok, yes, the AI bit was cool, but the best part is that the winners had to share their techniques - and only made the biggest breakthrough _after_ that sharing happened.
Yep: Power of Friendship FTW ❤
Cool!
Have fun storming the labyrinth!
Think they will kill the minotaur?
It would take a miracle...
"...philosophical musings on the subject of pleasure."
Me: GET THOSE SCROLLS TRANSLATED, BOYS AND GIRLS!
In history, having a competition/challenges, was used for a lot of great inventions and improvements!
Think; Nobel Peace Prize.😊🧠💪❤
Sooo....im going to keep believing that it was a naughty scroll
Yeah! It's Reid! Take it away, Reid!
Can we do this with scrolls damaged by non volcano sources?
technology straight out of science fiction
Humming B-52's now! Hot Lava!
Yeah, sure they are. To match whichever narrative they want it to fit. Elysium wasn't just a single time command code override, which is why Picard and Data designed a rolling fractal encryption that only a real keymaster can access through their mind's eye.
The experiments with the Borg were horrific. You've never seen the scenes from First Contact where the Queen laughs as she rips the grafts off of Data's skin so that he could experience the process of assimilation like Picard went through.
Coincidentally, you're doing it with my heart and soul here as well.
The Wizard of Oz never offered to help me, even knowing what he knew observing me at USA Volleyball.
With the power of modern science, and with all of our intelligence combined, we may finally figure out the knowledge that the ancient peoples figured out on their own just by thinking...
Cool
Historians are Epicurious
This is what AI is great for!! More of this and less of stealing intellectual property please!
"Whoo-hoo-hoo, look who knows so much. It just so happens that your friend here is only MOSTLY dead. There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead, there's usually only one thing you can do - go through his clothes and look for loose change. "
Maybe they finally find the first Pizza recipe.
I saw those scrolls and had to question the premise of this video. Like, people can seriously read these? But then it turned out that yes. Yes, we can. We can absolutely read thousands of years old ashen and petrified scrolls with the help of increadibly advanced and precice hardware and software.
hell yeah. Skynet for the win.
Burnt is still not gone yet. Just because we can’t see it doesn’t mean it doesn’t not exist.
The Elder Scorlls VI: Roman Empire
Wow! That's so cool. I love the methodology and that they fostered creative solutions shared by the solvers. Also, its great that the prizes don't feel disrespectful and cheap.
Jackson Galaxy
What was the Common Event?
Until Campi Flegrei erupts and destroys that area it is threatening to erupt
My question did they preserve the scrolls if they couldn't be read? They were brittle, blackened, and seemed completely useless, other than maybe to test their composition or date them. Did someone already understand that science would make them readable someday?
👍👍👍
This was much, much better than I expected. Thank you for making it detailed and dense with information.
So Niantic is going to roll back more of it's benefits it put in place during covid is what you're saying
All the kids on Tiktok are doing the Vesuvius Challenge
Hey bro it's been a while
Bro
Purple is a fruit!
One of the only good uses of ai
Epicurean philosophy is still taken seriously.
Hopefully they will find further writings of Sappho like more poetry. I'm sure historians/classicists are fantasizing of what they would like to see. Others may want to be surprised and/or shocked. Sounds so exciting.
So all you need is xray vision to read burnt scrolls