The Absurd History of Level 8-2
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Not betterhelp, at least.
Finally.
@@H3n7yx76 yeah,. that was rough. lets get over it now.
thank God it's the ron jons
the better help was no help at all
@@RFGSwissagreed
Imagine a bus that arrives every 21 frames. Except you've been waiting for this bus for over 24 minutes, so you run over the bus with a giant steamroller. That's 8-2.
Finally
…I see what you did there.
Ok. As soon as I saw the bus my immediate thought was " 🙄we get it...the meme is a meme you don't have to....OH. OOOOOH!" You sir, win the internet for today.
I don't get the reference.
@@duelmasteryuya1205 Then you must be new to the SMB speed running community. Look up the frame rule/bus comparison.
The number of times that people have said a trick is impossible only for someone to do it in SMB1 is absolutely insane. It happens all of the time in speedruning, but I've never seen it happen nearly as many times as in SMB1.
I feel like it's people who vastly underestimate others and just because they can't do it ever it's a 'never gonna happen' thing.
Also, SMB1 is a perfect example of a speedrun that's so thoroughly optimized that the only time saves left are the "impossible" ones.
ERM rightwarping into the flag immediately is so impossible (joke I'm not being a dirt bag)
Speedrunning is the epitome of "never say never"
always impossible until someone does it
"DON'T YOU SEE!? THE PLANT DESPAWNED."
I didn't see, and I was shocked when he said that
Every single pipe (except in 1-1) has a plant in it. The only reason there wouldn't be one is if it despawned
I just looked at world 8-E lol
@@laytonjr6601
Really? Wow.
@@laytonjr6601 Yea, I'm aware. He said it in the video. I was just really surprised when he showed that the plant was gone.
@@pkmntrainermark8881 Well, the warp zones obviously don't have plants but there is an (invisible) plant in the water section of 8-4
The idea of speedruns that involve an absurd amount of waiting is hilarious to me. Mario standing on the title screen for 24 minutes... Link staring at a blue rupee for 17 hours...
Frisk being unconscious on th bed of flowers for 300 years
@@E.EE. wait whats the context for that one?
Madeline waiting 118 hrs in Celeste to turn off spinner collision...
Multiple blue rupees. There are multiple clips that total to around 17 hours.
Exterminating Bees for about 40+ hours just to extract some dream essence.
Between fast acceleration and BLJ, "goes faster if he jumps backwards" should be one of Mario's canonical powers.
That would actually be so cool
I can see it in Mario Movie 2
We see Mario kneeling down, preparing himself, checking his footing. Cut to a closeup of his eyes, an intense look on his face. “Let’s-a go.”
We cut to a wide shot showing Mario is actually facing away from Bowser’s castle as he starts jumping backwards, faster and faster, until he starts bouncing at supersonic speeds. Freebird fades in at the part just before the solo starts. We intercut shots of Mario’s bouncing with a gag of the wind from his movement causing humorous moments like flying koopas being blown about or a Toad’s item stand being knocked down.
“BING BING WAHOO”
4:17 WTF was that! Omfg! hahaha
Also check from portal one has the same power
mario can midair-accelerate to a much higher value moving backwards in galaxy so that checks out
42y old dude here. I've played this game on the og NES on my parents' CRT TV, with my mom taking over every 4th round (family of 4) trying to make Mario jump by quickly raising the controller (bless her heart). We've been playing so many times and with such fun, but probably never ever even reached the middle of the 2nd world.
What I'm trying to say here: Young people these days are MAD! And in an impressive and appreciated way, most of the time, but especially in this realm. When I was young, there wasn't even a hint of pretty much any of the mechanics mentioned here. We just played the game, and when the dude fell through the bottom too often, we restarted. Often seeing the same thing happening sooner than before. Drank the last sip of cocoa and went to bed.
Eh don't knock your generation too hard. All the og hardcore arcade grinders were in their prime back then, and you actually had to leave your house to go to the arcade lmfao.
9:34 "This is MASSIVE, don't you see??"
me: oh yeah it says 8-E thats weird
kosmic: "the plant despawned!"
me: oh
SAME
Why did it say 8-E?
@@maximk9964emulator save states display the UI differently
Everything about that screen is wrong
Marios score 09C550
his coins EO
the world level 8-E
Oh, the plant! Ok Kosmic
@@maximk9964 Because it was the "testing catridge" that they use for practice the runs and testing new strats
me watching a man repeatedly throw himself into walls and obstacles for 24 minutes in order to manipulate the universe so that a random cannon miles away fires at a slightly different time
1-1 goomba:
So it goes. Life in the big city.
Incredible video, I'm really impressed by how much the quality of your explanations and editing has improved in such a short time!
Thanks! I still spend half the video just showing a lot of the same clips of mario in slow motion, haha. But I guess that's not so bad, and there's definitely some bigger moments
@@Kosmicd12 nah man.. As a subscriber, whenever I'm watching Your videos, my priority is on your explanations.we Don't bother about the repeated clips
Really glad this story is able to be shared, I am super proud of all the work that I and the community have put into this level
Well done! 🫡
Legend
You can be really proud king. People were waiting for 20 min for the TAS 8-2 and you just came in and were all like "gimme some time and I'll make this even more consistent than Blaze it 4-2" and lo and behold, you did!
You really shouldn't be it wasent anything special, yawn
@@Kelly-f7r you're so cool and edgy. Yet here you are, watching a 35 minute video about it.
"Let's take a trip back to 2019"
2019 was last year, right? Right?!
....it was 5 years ago...
@@PigeonofTheFrogsoh god..
@@PigeonofTheFrogs … the fog.
I wish. I had to waste my mid-20s into the pandemic years.
SAAAAME. I wish I was there on my teens, dude. Atleast I would be able to UNDERSTAND people my age. Now it's all just brainrot humor.
Things that have happened since SMB1 was released:
- the Soviet Union fell
- digital cameras were invented
- the world population increased by 3 billion
- Eisenhower was elected
- Niel Armstrong landed on the moon
- the entire Tang dynasty
You're going to confuse youngsters
you forgot at least 1 dollar being made
the moon is not solid, it can't be landed on
@@ulysses5439 the moon is solid it's just really really really shy and we respect its privacy so that's why we faked the moon landing
@@ulysses5439yeah, the creator didn't intend players to land there so they simply didn't put collision to save precious ram
I love that Summoning Salt and Bismuth both get early shout outs. Together with Kosmic they are three of the channels I get most excited to see uploads from.
To save the 24 minutes on the title screen, have 24 games running at the same time, 1 minute apart. Came to me in a dream lol.
Your butt came to me a dream
It’s ironic. Compared to other games super Mario bros is definitely the least flashy, but is arguably the most complicated since parallel universes.
That’s probably in part to the fact that it’s such a short speedrun, so all of this crazy tech is the only way to improve times
@@seangiglio Yea, theyre billions of bugs in every game, but they simply arent ever going to be known, but when a game is so simplistic and straight-foward, it can be picked apart easier.
Pretty Sure the parallel universes Came after, since Mario64 was released later
man kosmic, jobst, and pannen all dropping within a day or two has been epic
hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb
@@jackringel485 i snorted
@@jackringel485 legit everyone in jobst's comment section has been disappointed by it
But first, you legends, we need to talk about parallel bullet phantom universe bills.
@@jackringel485Yeah, we know Jobst has kind of been beating a dead horse as of recently, but this video wasn’t about Billy for once.
> named NobodyCallsMeTubby
>Continuously gets called Tubby
thats rough dude
SomebodyCallsHimTubby
Jesus, that intro threw my brain off for a second
8-2 haunted me for non-speedrunner reasons… I played SMB1 for the first time as SMB deluxe on the gbc. The screen was crunched and the lakitu was agressive. The horrors of my first SMB playthrough mostly stem from retrying this one level due to gameboy related issues
Same. SMB Deluxe is absolutely merciless.
EDIT: The whole world 8 was brutal, actually.
@@prohakerofficial Can relate with me playing Super Mario Bros. on the Game Boy Advance myself.
No kidding, SMB Deluxe was the first time I played Mario on Nintendo hardware. 8-2 is evil.
13:00 My guess for the Piranha Plants is that they can't move horizontally. A Goomba or something might walk back onscreen if Mario stops, but once a Piranha is off screen, it's gone.
Man - I was just thinking I was bored and needed something to do for 30 minutes before I had things to do. Click on YT and what do I see?! A new Kosmic video!!!! Perfect timing!
Hopefully my comment doesn't despawn.
@GTAce99
That never happens to historical persons.
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Quick, pin it before it despawns!
It will not despawn.
I love all the bizarre specifics and technicalities that go into speedrunning this simple game.
It's kinda wild how often you have an assumption that something is impossible when it very much isn't just going uncontested for years in a given community. Not just in speedrunning, but I've also seen it in game modding and even worldbuilding.
They say FTL travel is impossible. Just tell an SMB1 speedrunner it’ll save half a frame on their run and we’ll be colonizing other planets in a month.
You can see it in real life too. Science is FILLED with moments like these. Here's one of the most famous :
Ernest Rutherford, father of nuclear physics, talking on nuclear energy : “We might in these processes obtain very much more energy than the proton supplied, but on the average we could not expect to obtain energy in this way. It was a very poor and inefficient way of producing energy, and anyone who looked for a source of power in the transformation of the atoms was talking moonshine. But the subject was scientifically interesting because it gave insight into the atoms."
Leo Szilard was so annoyed by what he said that on the same day he learned of Rutherford's speech, came up with the idea that if neutrons could initiate nuclear fission and if that reaction produced more neutrons than it consumed, you would have an incredible energy source.
We all know how that one turned out.
@@LugborG New rule for the SMB1 leaderboard:anyone who contributes to the development of a working FTL drive gets an entire 21 frames off of all current and future smb1 runs.
27:08 haha I always wondered why Niftski does this, I thought is was for swag! thx for a great video 👍
Seeing a Kosmic thumbnail without context as someone with mid level knowledge of the SMB NES trilogy is funny because you have to always guess if it's SMB1 or SMB2J
You can definitely know it's SMB1 just with the thumbnail + title
@@Dimitri_gdrReally the only dead giveaway in any given thumbnail is the ground tiles, which aren't present in this thumbnail
@@JoeDan54 That's true, I think I guessed it was SMB1 after reading the title and I immediately know he was gonna tell us about blant
@@JoeDan54 The brick tiles are different in 2j as well, so that can help. 2j's 8-2 isn't a super interesting level, and the only right-side-up piranha plant is in an orange pipe, haha. So it can't be that in this case. Biggest thing is just if you know relevant things about the categories- on one of my past videos a bunch of people were like "I thought this would be about smb1 any%!" when the thumbnail had big fire mario jumping through a long firebar. Like where would that fit into smb1 any%?? haha
i think it's hilarious that lost levels is so poorly designed that despawns happen a lot even _casually_, namely with one of the firebars in one of the castles
despawns happen constantly in smb1 as well, that's not really a 2j thing. If we want to talk about bad despawns in 2j it's when springs despawn in c-3 or d-2. 2j is great though, I think you throw around "poorly designed" way too easily. SMB1's castle stages are more boring trying to avoid despawns, since they basically never put enemies in those levels. 2j got a lot more interesting, not a big deal that something despawns here or there; Piranha plants do it constantly in both games.
you explaining the huge pit huge pipe thing like 29 times over and making each one more dramatic is so funny to me
We've got 4-2 in SMB-1, 5-2 in SMB2-J, and, now, 8-2 in SMB2. When are we getting the other -2 levels? I'd like to see 1-2 in SMB1.
25:03 those 40 seconds seem like the perfect moment to take a sip of mountain dew or a bite of a pizza roll.
Thank you for including the list of music used in the description - the track at 15:26 was so familiar but I couldn’t place it, and it would’ve driven me mad if you didn’t include that list.
I applaud the people who look into speedrunning from a technical aspect. That's what draws me to speedruns of older games as well, they aren't as flashy or technically impressive as the games of today but all of the speedruns require insane tech to cut time and you end up learning a lot about the programming in order to figure how the games work.
It's always funny when royalty free music gets so associated with one creator that it becomes as if it were their trademark... except that they can't trademark it because they don't own it. So anyone can use it, but if they do, everyone knows where they got the idea.
The TYT theme song is also royalty free. Anyone who pays for the service TYT uses can get the same song and use it also. But it is so clearly their theme song.
This is absolutely unimaginably complex for a game that is exactly as old as I am, and I'm old. It's also the first game i ever played or seen played, and struck up a lifelong deep love and appreciation for gaming in general. But while i respect and enjoy watching speed running, you guys are a totally different breed of gamer than me. I would lose all love for games if i took it this far beyond competitive play and into real hard work and mathematics like you do. You guys are literally geniuses and if anybody ever thought otherwise, this video is what I'll show them.
I love this, thank you Kosmic. Your deep dives are second to none. You have deep knowledge of the game, practical experience as a runner and great story telling skills.
Thank you so much for sharing, these videos will stay relevant for a long time to come.
28:50, "you'd think everyone would jump on this cool new double bullet bill strategy"
No, if anything I know just how stuck in their ways runners tend to be, anything that isn't a huge objective improvement is going to take ages to catch on.
Good video!
I knew we were in for a wild ride of astronomically low odds when I saw the word "segmented" in a *TAS* run.
13:10 I would have guessed the hammer bros despawn sooner because their hammers also take up sprite slots. Then again, when Bowser throws hammers there's a lot more than just five. But they also flicker so maybe they are constantly swapping out slots... Someone knows the answer to this.
The speedrunning community is definitely on the good side of YT
This is something else. And I thought for all these years that younger me finishing it in 11 minutes something in the early 90's was impressive.
Amazing video! I did not know that stuff about phantom bullet bills
When a game is 40 years old, these are the strategies you have to use to make progress.
I find it funny how often the run-breaking levels are at the end of a game. It's almost like the game devs can see into speedrunning future
Man....Salt is uploading this hour too. Well played, Kosmic. Played the algorithm by knowing your shared audience.
Update: jinxed it. Mb guys
He is?
he is?
@@stellaanderson570ye he said on twitter
@@alext6933 he said so on Twitter
he is?
SummoningSalt's "Human Limit" Mario video was inspiring, very well put together... and now this. It's incredible just how much deconstructing is still going on around SMB. Really amazing this long after release.
Thumbnail 1/1000 shiny hunters "I like those odds"
Y'all speedrunners breakdown games to a level of detail that would make NASA scientists blush. Bravo!
LLL 0 A press no longer requires you to spend 20 hours building a quantum accelerator to send Mario flying into parallel universes at 1% of the speed of light? Aw...
The ABC challenge currently doesn't even require you to visit PUs at all if you use the fastest strats for each star.
@@madeformario aw man :(
Great pacing on this video. This kept my attention the entire thirty-four minutes. I was surprised when we were already at the summary, because time went by so fast.
Absolutely absolutely absolutely absolutely amazing video
Very cool video. I cant believe 8-2 had this much research put into it, finding and eliminating so many dead ends in order to save 1 frame rule.
40yr old video game, that hit me right in the chest
yeah, sometimes I stare at my white hairs and cry a little, lol
I was playing Super Mario Bros experimenting with minus world back on the original NES in the 90s. Went into the pipe in the underwater section of minus world, and I ended up going to a place that I had never seen before. I don't know how, or what combination of events took place, but I ended up going to a different underwater section than the typical clone of 7-2, and it has been making me crazy in the 40 years since then.
All of that shenanigans with waiting on a title screen, phantom bullet bills, etc. didn't sound absurd for me. After sm64 speedruns, nothing seems impossible😂
Seeing all of that work put into the Plant and the BB only to find out not doing the Fast Excel makes everything way easier is just such a speedrunner thing to see.
Awesome video. It still really is funny to me that for so many years we all just agreed TAS 8-2 was impossible until one day someone asked "why not?"
I think theres a really important lesson there
Awesome video regarding the history of 8-2, it’s really cool to see it all documented including all the weird oddities such as framerule offsets, plant despawn and HitzCritz meme 4:54 attempt by doing the framerule rollover (which he didn’t do right cause he offset the rng and framerule number during the delay!!!).
Yeah lol, it's extra funny in hindsight because he/we didn't think about title screen powerups
Why do you call him "Tubby"? Nobody calls him that.
Because saying 420 blaze it every 5 seconds would demonetize the video
i call him tubby are you calling me nobody,
I came up with combos for the original Killer Instinct in my sleep. It was really cool dreaming up combos and having them actually work. The good ol days if Malls and Arcades!
It was the recent solar storm that caused the plant to despawn. It was Kosmic rays
The video on the history of 4-2 by SummoningSalt got me into watching speed runners and following your channel.
Imagine if the new standard would be waiting for 20 minutes. It might shatter the speedrun community and separate the casual speedrunners and competitive speedrunners.
It's funny 15 years ago I made a small game for windows phone that had time leader board on levels and this same speed run spirit arised from players who probably never had speedran anything. You could see one player discovering a new strategy, and with that clue, other discovering that and improving the timing until again someone thinks outside the box and finds a new solution, it was more puzzle oriented but you said it well in the conclusion of the video.
10:51 I absolutely love his reaction.
this video is a masterpiece. It's entertaining, informative, and very well made. Quality work!
The dream part was pure insanity.
The best ideas always come in ur dreams😂😂
This video was AMAZING I haven't been doing smb Speedruns in a while and this video made me wanna go back and try this trick
I'm sure this is a dumb question, but I don't understand why the billet bill glitch is worth waiting for? Why is it faster to wait on the stairs for the bullet than it is to just continue sprinting to the flag?
I don't know for sure, but my guess is that it has to do with the fireworks that go off sometimes when you beat a level. If I remember right, the number of fireworks depends on the value of the timer when you beat the level.
Soay e the bullet bill glitch lets you beat the level as fast as possible, which results in a timer value that would give you fireworks which eat up time, but because Mario doesn't enter the castle the fireworks get skipped.
In engineering I often experience easier solutions over time.
A difficult solution is much easier to start working on.
I always say "an easy solution is the hardest".
Thanks for the video.
Ngl I'm enjoying theses commentated videos
Thank you Kosmic! Im making a video on Mario bros any% records and this video will be very helpful with explaining the perfect 8-2 framerule!
00:03 I have not
Boner farts??? I'm drunk ngl bih
When the video starts with some folk trying to find a way to despawn the pirahna so the jump is easier, just to realise in the end, the piranha doesn't matter. Speedrunning is amazing.
*THANK YOU* for not being sponsored by BetterHelp.
@@callumcolquhoun8501 bro be quiet you don't know the betterhelp controveries
You’re sense of humor is great!
Ur*
I forgot this was not a Summoning Salt video
I know this has been said before, but it's crazy how we think we know everything about a game, only to uncover so many secrets and glitches years later. And if so many exploits can be found in something like SMB, imagine how much can be found in longer, more sprawling games
congrats on not getting sponsored by betterhelp!
The amount of coding/engineering that went into these early “simple” Nintendo games is mind blowing.
Needless to say, those reverse engineering and dissecting it to this day is just as impressive
After that, do the history of World 8-3, and include it from the humble beginnings of Super Mario Bros. speedruns to the 243 FPG on Super Mario Bros. Extended, as it makes a 4:53 possible!
It's honestly kinda crazy just how much strategy and tech can be packed into such a short speedrun. I wonder what level is gonna be trivialized next.
this video is how I learnt about the 1 min strat for LLL Elevator Tour, somehow missed it entirely. Very cool!!
Phantom bullet bills are virtual particles spawning off the black hole horizon that is the edge of the screen. Left long enough, the off-screen sections will decay and explode violently. Be careful Mario!
O hi
pls don’t delete comment your first and next kid said first and no make him first so pls no delete
@@YTTV_Mic8sure lol, I won’t delete it
Excellent and fascinating video! Thank you, Kosmic!
30 views in 2 minutes, didn’t fell off?!?!!?!
Fell off
😂
@@dr.phlosion7485 No, stats are rising. He never had as much as 3o views in 2 minutes. New wr.
I hope your comment despawns
@@YTTV_Mic8 😾
I love how often we get speedrun content. I hope the years continue to drag on and it just keeps happening my friends.
As someone who has the urge to get to the bottom of something when im invested enough, i can 100% understand the dedication of these people and respect them for it. Also, that is probably the reason i love this content. Keep improving it guys, cant wait to see what you come up with next.
Kosmic: "His script tested millions of combinations, and in the end he found…"
Doctor Strange: "…only one."
9:44 Plant went on vacation, never came back.
It was nice to have great memories of watching somewes streams come flooding back during this video, but wow time has flown by
I remember when cosmic said
“Back then, it was word on the says…” like it’s not like that still. According to my great grandmothers cousin, twice removed on her dad’s pet goldfish’s roommates left cousin’s said “Matching the taste in 8-2 is impossible, then there’s a faster strategy, that has multiple tame perfect inputs.
I love the Blaster Master music in the background. That game is badass.
It’s crazyyyy how consistent this game plays to the casual user with all these variables
when i clicked on this video i thought "its going to be the average speedrun update where you do this glitch to save some time, here is this insane way someone found it"... then you just straight hit me in the face with the most random, crazy stuff. like solutions in a DREAM??? PHANTOM BULLET BILLS? LIKE WHATTTTT?!?
Wow these deep analyses really give a new dimension to the game and the effort behind it!
Dude, crazy how an old game like this still has stuff to discover.
A Kosmic video with the Summoning Salt video. My life is complete.
The fact that this extremely specific and unlikely plant despawn happened by accident is hilarious, and by that specific individual no less
You know you're getting into serious nerd stuff when a video about a single Super Mario level is half an hour long :D Respect for doing this!