Well im a mage of void and i believe there are a lot of different ways to make that statement. Ansem from kingdom hearts made a quote that helps: "One who knows nothing can understand nothing" in my opinion there are what feels like almost infinite ways to interpret this. For instance you can be a moron and "Understand nothing" as "Not understanding anything/ being oblivious" or "Understand nothing" or "understanding how nothing works and influences others." like understandimg what makes a person ignorant. If you ask me i kind of embody both in a way. I can be oblivious to the world around me because of my habit of wearing headphones to ignore the world around me while a slue of mental problems kind of makes me really bad at understanding certain things like other peoples emotions, social norms and manners, or math and when i say "bad at" i mean BAD AT while also being able to understand what people don't know about a subject if im particularity knowledgeable in said subject yet when I attempt to educate them about that thing to the best of my ability they mostly ignore me or the information goes right over there heads even if that thing is basic common sense.
Eh, void is just a tricky aspect when it comes to actively thinking. I’m a maid of void, which in itself is a contradiction, so my best advice is just, don’t think about it. If you feel you can’t handle the answer, then don’t ponder the question, just ask it, an answer isn’t always needed. Lol sorry if this is ramblely.
I was halfway through the section where you were just bombarding us with lightning-fast questions about Equius's Void powers. Then my Wi-Fi cut out at 6:36.
And you forgot to mention, as void characters they always struggle to stay relevant, and this happens in the final fight with The Condense. While everyone else is getting force choked by Her, roxy is just chillin in the background, then throws a dagger killing Her. She became relevant
I'd say that the color more directly connected with Void would be the shade of grey which appears outside cannon during John's retcon shenanigans - which, if I'm not mistaken, is the same shade of grey which decorates parts of the MSPA website itself.
I said "Yes" to every single thing you listed about Lord English, Doc Scratch, Equius and AR. Also, Equius contributes the Hemospectrum as a form of limitation on self-actualisation onto the trolls (Shown through Hiveswap and the Extended Zodiac.) Void players struggle with a social construct; Equius struggles with how the Hemospectrum, something he deludes himself into believing is constantly contradicted by himself and those around him. Similarly, Roxy struggles with human gender roles and seems the keenest on enforcing them amongst the Alpha kids, even when no one else seems to buy into it. Void's struggle is contrasted by Light in this way, with Light players showing very little regard for what is socially "right", "proper" or "acceptable".
I've always seen ~ATH pronounced with the tilde, thus making it "til death". Given that the other programming languages are ^cake (carrot cake) and dis* (disasterisk), I'm pretty sure that was the intention. Other than that minor thing, I love this video! Lots of really good points and I'm looking forward to that next video!
Holy shit that's brilliant. I've never heard of either of those programming languages, or if I had I've forgotten about them. Thanks for pointing that out!
+Tex Talks the books are on the bookshelf in act 1 right before John reads the "data structures for assholes" book! I'd look up the exact page but I'm on mobile right now so it's a pain in the ass XD
Oh I thought you meant that these were actual programming languages irl. I guess the leetspeak went over my head all three times. Still, thanks for pointing it out! I know exactly the page you're referring to, I'll find it myself.
At one point Terezi describes the aspects as increasing levels of complexity that the universe takes, and in that case I think the pairings are, from less to most complex, Space/Time (which is the fabric of reality and that's why all game sessions need at least one of each of these players, Void/Light, which are the duality of "that what does or does not exist" (also represented in the light of Skaia and the void of the Furthest Ring), Life/Doom (Because you need living organisms and their death at least in a unicellular/herbological sense), Blood/Breath (The two parts of the circulatory system, lungs and veins), Mind/Heart (Unity versus multiplicity, emotion versus thought, etc), and then Hope/Rage, which are the most removed from simplicity and closer to abstraction, with the, being the capacity to realize (to make real) something out of belief, or to destroy it from lack of belief in it. They also have a negative/positive polarity, with positives being Space/Light/Life/Breath/Heart/Hope and negative being Time/Void/Doom/Blood/Mind/Rage. Space evolves into hope (Calliope) and Time into rage (Calliborn), and it's a good axis from which to analyze character dynamics and symbols. Late to the party to post this, sorry.
The idea of the color white being associated with void seems quite accurate. A lot of less relevant things in the comic, or maybe rather things that are to some degree defined by their lack of relevance, are entirely white. The guardians and lusii are an obvious example, as is the skin tone of the human kids. Another thing I realized that has me pretty baffled is that other than Roxy, Sollux is the one character we know of that successfully managed to subtract perfect forms from each other, when Terezi got him to fix John's jetpack. I really can't think of a good explanation for it, since he's not associated with void or the perfect form system anywhere else. I suppose maybe it says more about the mage class, since he did something that should have been impossible in order to make the jetpack which took John to his doom. Heck you could make a similar argument for how he contacted Doc Scratch. Holy smokes and he managed to create a working SGrub out of some ruin symbols, which subsequently doomed Alternia. I think I might actually be onto something here. And Meulin was supposedly a "miracle worker" I can't believe this I just found a workable theory for the mage class. Sorry I got a bit distracted there, great video, I'm off to see if my theory holds water.
Doesn't Doom heavily correspond to rules and systems? I always interpreted Sollux subtracting the forms from the jetpack that way as a showing of his ability to see through systems and patterns and manipulate things that way. Same with his hacking skills, and Doc Scratch, (I really like what you said about SGRUB dooming the planet too). Just another way that Callie was accurate when she said that different class and aspect combinations being able to accomplish similar things. Also can you give me the quote of Meulin being called a miracle worker? I don't remember that.
I like the idea of Blood and Breath being complementary. They're my two favorite aspects. Freedom/Bondage (assuming you go with Blood being about relationships and bonds between people, which I do).
@@leggyalyssa9000 blood is the bondage restraints safewords and sexual contracts and probably blood play parts of bdsm Void is the Sub/Dom, sadism, masochism, roleplay, and fetishistic submission play part of bdsm. Remember aspects are the elements and building blocks of the homestuck world and like elements of the periodic table can combine to make new things You can use ideas from both aspects together to form something new like adding hydrogen and oxygen to make water. But like hydrogen and oxygen they can make more than 1 thing when mixed because that can also make hydrogen peroxide using only the same ingredients by changing the amounts of the elements used so the concept of BDSM is likely one of billions of Ideas that can be formed of the combination of. blood and Void
I can explain rage and hope pairing :D Rage is about fear, anger, despair and disbelief. Only rage players that we got in a comic were destruction classes, which means that they supress or destroy rage actively, by solving anguments or sharing Hope with others, or passively (shown in Gamzees and Caliborn interactions) allowing others to use themselves ir other things as " punching bags" to calm someone down. Hope on the other hand is all about believing in your ideals, making them a little bit more real, having hope for better outcomes, etc. etc. The hope players we got were: Prince, who lost all hope, destroying it within himself, Bard, who was bully-like, and page, who was weak at first, but as he was growing and progressing, his hope was getting stronger, making things more real.
It's a shame this doesn't get more coverage, I really appreciate the time and effort you've put into your analysis and portraying your interpretation of Homestuck's world. I'm not exactly great at that sort of thing myself, but I do find it rather interesting, and well, Homestuck is just great. Looking forward to Hiveswap, still feel a bit sad that the original universe is kinda done with, but it's for the best that really great things come to an end gracefully, which I personally think is how it went down.
I tend to think that each aspect has its opposite, both central to the same theme in the other direction, creation vs destruction, freedom vs connection, ect. In addition, I feel that each aspect also has a counter. This countering only goes one way, as opposed to the opposites which is a two way pairing. Time counters space counters void counters ect
ohhhhh myyyy godddddd the narrative avoiding the void player, equius.... jegus homestuck is deep. i am of course thinking about the parallels with the epilogue/hs2 now
i just wanna say that i love the pairings for the aspects they make sense from a universe type perspective time and space = the universe light and void= the state of an idea life and doom = life and death hope and rage= feelings blood and breath= pyisical body mind and hart = meteforical body or at lest that's how I interpret it
Way to go man! This is a very thought-provoking series, and I really enjoy it. I've wanted someone to look at Homestuck academically for a long time and seeing someone do it is so satisfying.
bladekindEyewear wrote a very extensive theory that Doc Scratch is Li'l Hal, Dirk's Autoresponder. The theory, of course, gets updated on the reveal of what Li'l Cal is precisely made of, but it only cements the connections further. Give it a read; it's pretty thorough and well researched!
Everything in the Equius section blew my mind. (In part because I had trouble understanding the Vine claymation segments, so having it spelled out helped me a lot.) Will the shocking-revelations-about-Homestuck pile ever stop getting taller? I personally would switch complementary pairings to be such: Doom/Mind (based on your earlier comments on their ability to perceive or affect doomed and alpha timelines), and Life/Heart (physical, temporal, external self vs. metaphysical, everlasting*, internal self). Life... things have a built-in extinction down to a microscopic level, bodies in a state of decay and regrowth, and outside God Tiers and other majyyk-touched entities all biological things die - whereas Heart things (personhood, memories, every razor-thin slice of experience or behavior making up a thinking being, I guess?) have an infinite inertia to persist in dream bubbles*, even from doomed timelines. *until outlier Lord English starts decimating ghosts, that is.
Void's a great aspect. I've always been more intrigued with Equius than Vriska, partially because when somebody takes more effort to notice, I put a lot of effort into noticing them, and thus I've always been more preoccupied with the sort of nonsense that void players get into rather than that of Light players. Can't wait till your next part.
I dunno if this is all that relevant, but sometimes I find myself getting completely attached to things that no one ever told me to while _completely_ ignoring the blatantly obvious thing in the spotlight (unless I need to). For instance, in the original Portal, everyone and their mother cried over the companion cube because they got so attached to it, but I felt way more attached to that random unmarked cube a little ways back and made a real effort to hold onto it axis long as I could. The reason I say it might not be too relevant however, is just that I might have decided to be difficult or something and ignore what people told me in favor of doing something random and ultimately not all that portent to have changed, as things still turned out fine.
ähvä Maybe, but I also gt the feeling I might fit well of not better as light instead. I mean, I'm pretty darn lucky, have a love for info and learning, etc, ; but I do have problems actually _being_ important and stuff.
Something you might find interesting: The "empty" color John references, as well as the house he sticks his hand through, is actually transparent - that "empty" color. And while we're thinking about aspects, I realized that the only three aspects not confirmed to enter the new universe is mind, rage, and doom. It can be assumed that Terezi makes it in, and it is implied that Gamzee does too, but it seems unlikely that Sollux, a Doom player, made it in. Do you feel that this is problematic to aspect-related theories, to have only 11 aspects represented in the new universe?
I hadn't really considered it but there is actually one version of Sollux who is 100% fully alive. The one pre-retcon. He could have and if you ask me did make it in along with Aradia
If the color wheel is an issue, the two blank ones are exactly derse and prospit colors, and the time players are always derse and the space players always prospit, sooo yeah. If moving those would help, that might be a possibility
@Tex Talks I think a lot like you and in many ways your analysis has put into words things I hadn't quite been able to formulate myself. Thought processes are a hard thing to trace back, and I really like the idea of void as a sort of superposition of all aspects to create the nothing that is the background of universes, honestly, void has always seemed like the most interesting aspect to me and one I relate to for some reason. Homestuck is quite something. Almost feel like it can't have been made up.
If I remember correctly, your conclusion of the opposite/pairs of aspects was recently confirmed by Hussie himself in the form of the Extended Zodiac. I can't get on the website right now, but what you have down looks accurate.
I'm thinking white is void because it's the color of a blank paint canvas. But also transparency and therefore the bg color of the website. And Arquius went outside of the panels in that fighting flash, so I'd say anything outside the panels is void too.
I recall my little attempt(s) at trying to pair the aspects up in more ways than one. They've basically been grouped by so many different ways that I can't really separate the complementary pairs from one another any more. By this point, I've begun to believe that the complementary pairs just defines the Positive-Negative, while the other ways of pairing group them into other thematical similarities and differences. To me, Heart (my aspect, as a Seer of Heart!) is linked more with negative aspects for some reason - but also, I kind of feel that there's a primary aspect and a secondary aspect. Basically, Primary is the one that defines a person most, and defines their personality - for me, it's clearly Heart. Then, Secondary refers to the leaning that the way they use and see the Primary, or basically their idea of what it is. So a Heart-doom player prefers the idea of red string of fate, while Heart-Blood might focus on the emotions for platonic relationships. That's what I personally think. (By that account, Karkat would be a Blood-Heart since he's so brilliant at relationships between people, and can tell when people has those emotions.)
When I'm a page of void and this video helped me progress "a lot" (a lot is relative to how much progress i make in other circumstances, not how much progress I have until im at my full potential, namely because I'll never reach my "full potential") When being a page of void sets me up to be similar to Horrus. When this makes me sad.
Just because you have the same classpect dosen't means your going to end up like him. It just means you have to put a LOT of effort to get what you want. It may seem like your not having an impact on anything, but thats not true, you do matter because the world wouldn't be the same without you. Personally, I think I'm a void player like you, so I know how it feel to not feel like your completely useless and a waste of space. Keep thinking positively, because the alpha timeline needs void players like us just as any other aspect
I don't know anything about you, but I do know that you are as great and important as anyone else. I hope you feel better about yourself and that you manage to surpass your "full potential" ^u^
Wow dude. You must be incredibly lucky. To be able to serve nothing, it is a much more enviable role than mine. All I can do is destroy perception or destroy through perceiving. It's a bit annoying to just be rather than be anything.
I feel like, along with obfuscation, nonexistence and unimportance are a HUGE part of Void. Uselessness, submission and restraint all seem to fit in with the idea of nonexistance and unimportance (and/or modesty) in a way, and saying it this way makes Void seem like less of a negative aspect, because if it's a building block of the universe, I don't feel like it should seem good or bad (except maybe Hope and Doom). I feel like it fits the Void characters well, too. And it fits the word "void", too. As for Void's pair, Life and Mind also could potentially make sense. Life makes more sense than Mind, though. And honestly, I feel as though Life and Void could very well be a pair. The importance, existence/life, and relevance of Life (Light also could fit these, but I feel as though it really doesn't fit as well as Life being these) against the unimportance/modesty and nonexistence/obfuscation of Void. Life is the most complex thing; Void is the simplest. I could go on. As for your color theory, firstly, none of the other pairs (unless you assume Hope and Rage are a pair, which I don't) show this. Secondly, Breath and Light are actually just about as much of a color pair, if not more, AND there's the God Tier outfits' shoes. Of course, this only applies to Time/Space and Breath/Light. That I've seen. But It's still a possible reason. My PERSONAL aspect pairs are: Breath and Light (Freedom and Instinct vs Information, Fortune, and Planning Ahead) Time and Space (Obvious?) Mind and Heart (Left-Brain vs Right Brain, Logic and Thought vs Emotions and True Self) Life and Void (Importance, Relevance, and "Staying in the Limelight" vs Unimportance, Nonexistence, and "staying in the shadows") Hope and Doom (Optimism, Positive Belief, and Purity vs Pessimism, Negative Belief, and Corruption/Differences) Blood and Rage (Unity, Working Together, and Bonds vs Isolation, Pride, and "Me Power") I may be wrong, but I feel like it's a possibility. That's just my two cents. Amazing analysis btw, it really was good and you brought up lots of good points. (EDIT: I really don't put too much effort into pairings, since really, they aren't important, as you said. Who cares if Oxygen is the opposite of Nitrogen or Helium is the opposite of Hydrogen? NOBODY, and we don't even need to find pairs in the Periodic Table. Plus, forcing aspects into pairs can make it hard to pick up on clues that you'd otherwise see.)
I believe that the bad and good of any aspect is an extremely wrong idea and agree with you on that. As for the opposites, I believe that some of them are wrong, and the opposite aspect pairs are actually really important because of inversion and stuff.
Lucas Tyrrell Figuring out aspect opposites is not my biggest concern, since I am currently attempting to piece together each aspect and I'm trying to create the definitions for each aspect make sense no matter what you pair them with, so people who disagree with me in that regard (like you) can still enjoy or even believe my definitions of the aspects. Also, while I personally do not believe in Inversion, it would certainly make the pairs much more important.
Ah, I see. So I guess that's more reasonable. Also, what's your argument against inversion? Also, hopefully you take this more as an intelligent argument than me just yelling back, right? XD
Lucas Tyrrell Of course I will take this as an intelligent argument. For my argument against Inversion, firstly, all Seers have been known to stray from their aspect at times, throwing them off the path. Terezi has messed up because of her emotions and let her emotions control her on several occasions, Rose has gone "screw my plans, I'm going to do this" on multiple occasions (most notably when she went Grimdark), and Kankri seems to be focusing more on himself than others, and is pretty self-centered. Some big points can easily be countered with this information. As for Jade "ghosting" her inversion early on, well, first I must explain something. In addition to being the building blocks of the universe, I believe the aspects are the building blocks to one's personality, and basically, who they are. For example, Breath is freedom and Type B personality, while Light is planning/fortune and Type A personality. (I could get into why I think this but Inversion comes first.) Whichever aspect people most relate to is their aspect, and how that relation "works" is how the class is decided. (This is why not all people with a certain classpect will be the same.) Time and Space have always been the most difficult here for me, since very few people will relate more to linearity/potentiality than anything else. So, what I'm going with right now is that Time is responsibility and Space is dreams/imagination. (Again, I'll save my reasoning for after Inversion.) Jade was changing a lot with what she saw in her dreams, which would be pretty literal, but it would fit a Witch of Space. As for being passive for most of the story, Alt!Calliope explains that to Jade, too. (Too lazy to link the page, sorry, but you should be able to find it.) Then, finally, there's the fact that it really just isn't likely, judging from what I've heard. It's been joked about by members of the Homestuck team, including Hussie himself, and I feel like it would have been at least hinted at (more often; I believe it's been mentioned once?) Also, there's the fact that Titles are supposed to challenge the payer, which accomplishes most of the same things as Inversion, if I'm correct. Of course, there certainly is evidence for Inversion, but I feel like it's a bit outlandish, and it feels like lots of evidence can be explained in other ways, too. I'll be fine if Hussie declares it canon, but I'm not a huge believer at the moment. I want to know, what is some of your evidence (that I didn't bring up) SUPPORTING Inversion? I'm curious.
In a way, i get the feeling that Mind and Rage are actually somewhat opposites... One is the clarity of pure logic and forethought, the other is a clouding or obscuration thereof by pure emotion.
I think you have the potential to be a light player too, you're lighting up important info and making the abstract understandable. although i don't know you as a person so it could just be an thing that could merge into another aspect
i like how you say eequius its derived from latin equus, which means horse. pronounced /eh-kw-uus/. im pretty sure equius was intended to be pronounced like that, but with an extra -i- (or "ee" if you want) before the end.
honestly the color wheel makes a lot more sense if it's applied to a gradient wheel instead of a segmented one. also, it will now bother me forever that doom isn't purple...
I Enjoyed the video through and throughout it was educating and touched on a lot of subjects that are key to such a mysterious class when I took the which God tier are you quiz I got bard of void as my class so I was like oh man imma totally make this work and do pride myself on saying my AU will have a bard of void who just makes the most big void session ever but by taking a plunge into the unknown not with a cod piece but within the void will he truly fulfill his void session then the humans have a knight of rage as there main kid who enjoys creepypastas and is like Dave but has Gamzees anger so it'd be cool to see what you have on other classes & aspects like rage also books like jailbreak & problem sleuth play a lot into different classes look at the pumpkins in Roxys void attack there like the ones in jailbreak or jakes hope powers b4 game over are like PS using sapulchritude so yeah u really gotta dig into hussies lore which you've read humanimals so you have XD
hey, if you had the chance would you want to play Sburb? cause I've spent the last year attempting to make a tabletop role-playing game, I call it SKRUB, and it's nearly finished, but there is always room to discuss more things in the meta that nobody is really sure about, and yank it it from the void by shining some light on it, thus allowing it to be properly factored into creation. Void is always a fun aspect to think about, cause yeah, it is designed to obfuscate itself, a true paradox. it's interesting how much of void link up with concepts in Taoism and Buddhism, especially since Hussie didn't even try to do that. or maybe he did and we simply missed it. Here's a little tidbit of the role of Void in SKRUB. besides a lot of what you just mentioned, it also plays an integral role in the creation of other timelines, or rather the lack of relation. I decided that the whole "infinite world's" interpretation of timelines in homestuck is both not manageable in a tabletop setting and really lowers the importance of players actions since there is always another one of them that did something different. So in SKRUB there starts with only one timeline, and the actions of the time player going back and changing the course of events, especially what choices players made. but it can't just be anything, like let's say eating one side of an ice-cream come first over another, because that change wouldn't have any effect of the story (even if causality wise it would change the entire universe). man, I thought to myself, if only there was some measurement inherent to the universe that determines whether things are important or not. And thus some of the most important functions of the aspects Light and Void were born. timelines are only created when something that currently has Light shining upon it is changed, anything in the dark has no effect on the Canon of events. the creation of Legendary Weapons, The Choice, player Death and Revival are all inherently in the light, whereas mundane objects and meaningless choices all are in the dark. let's take the truest mundane object, the Perfectly Generic Cube. should Roxy have been sent back in time, she could have made 5 more or 10,000,000 more PGCs, and time wouldn't be considered altered. and that shows what her, and voids players potential is. their actions "don't matter" to the timeline, thus they could do whatever they pleased. and Roxy, the Rogue of Void, one who steals from unimportance, can take anything she likes from things that don't matter. thus the infinite Perfectly Generic Objects, and thus the Matriorb. because how much did the matriorb being brought back effect the story? Nothing. Nada. Zilch. a Rogue can't effect whether or not their aspect is present, they can only take things from their aspect. if she was a Thief, she could have stolen the void from the Matriorb, making it important again. Thus is the power of Heroes of Void. so if you guys liked this, well I tried to accurately recreate homestuck with SKRUB while also making a playable game, come talk to me on the tumblr blog skrub-ttrpg, or comment in this thread on a better place to discuss. If not, well at least you heard an interesting interpretation.
So... The more specific an alchemy result, the more pricey. Such as.. A dog vs a laborador vs a female lab vs my childhood lab, Ell. The generic dog may take less grist but my dog Ell, would take more?
you would think that hope and doom would be opposite but then i cant think of an opposite for rage and life because they don't seem to go together. hope and doom also makes sense in the fact that Eridan and Sollux are hope and doom players respectively and they hate each other, maybe their aspects being opposite is apart of that.
There's a link to it on the bottom of John's GameFAQs entry within the comic. I think the beginning of act 3. Or you could just google 'Gankro punch card calculator'
Hey... So, Tex here, he says he relates to Void the most, right? Well, in this video, at the complementary Aspects part, where he says the pairs of aspects, and the color wheel. Anyway, he says he can't find any flaw in his reasoning, but he also can't even find his reasoning in the first place. Void describes Lack, nothing, and OBVUSCATION. This supports my theory that the aspects are real. ^^
I have a question is it possible for a game session to have two or more equal classes like imagine that back in the troll session the unknown thirteen troll actually was another time player what would have happened then would the game create scenarios where either aradia or the other troll die
Hello I know you won't see or read this or care but as I'm sure you've well and moved on in your life but, do me a favor and contemplate this: void and light govern perception and reality. My father told me this constantly when I was a child but I never understood it till now. I bet you he still doesn't understand it now. I'd like to imagine you actually did read this even though you certainly didn't and thank you in case you did. Good "luck" out there lol!
i prefer to pair hearth/blood and mind/breath. hearth represent self while blood represent others dirk destroyed dave's self-esteem karkat was practically incapable of fighting by himself mind represents possibilities while breath represents reality terezi was able to see the results of possible outcomes (that's why "luck doesn't matter" to her, because she can plan ahead for every possible outcomes) john was able to alter reality even once it had already happened
honestly i get all of the pairings except for breath/blood they dont seem to have anything connecting them at all. all the others have something but is it just breath/blood are just... whats left?
Metafictionally - Brisk pacing and story focus vs character drama and romance. John and Karkat represent these in what they value in a story. The story itself shifts in it's value system in this regard, depending on which of these two characters is the focal point. Biologically - selfishness vs altruism (see Richard Dawkins' book the Selfish Gene) both provide qualities required of good leadership, John and Karkat demonstrate this. Dawkins' argues that all behavior is fundamentally due to one of these, and they both serve the same singular purpose of gene preservation.
I'll participate on whatever comes out. But if it was up to me, I would end it as soon as the game and epilogue were finished. Homestuck has flaws, but as a story, I think that it's extremely important, and anything else coming out and calling itself Homestuck in the future would dampen the significance of what we already have. That and I really just want to see Hussie do something new and different.
Well, those particular aspect parings do have a Lot of Evidence, but you're wrong when you say "no other theorizer has done them before". Ever heard of bladekindeyewear, and every other tumblr theorizer who ever heard of him and didn't completely hate him? True, some of his theories are a bit out there, but those aspect pairings are The Best aspect pairings
I was specifically referring to him when I said that. What I was trying to make clear is that even though I'll be discussing the same pairings that he did, I will be pointing out relationships between them that he didn't.
Yes. For each aspect I'll be sure to at least briefly hit on all of the characters which use it, and I'll be offering up my interpretations of new classes as we arrive at them.
Pretty much this. I don't think intelligence is a simple enough idea to be an expression of just one aspect. I think you could probably construct something which looks like intelligence out of all of them.
Also, Roxy and Jade both grow up to be scientists, and they're void and space respectively. Dirk the heart player is a machiavellian schemer who can build robots, Sollux is a ridiculously good hacker/programmer, etc. Not that Latula and Terezi aren't smart, but correlation doesn't imply causation.
Can I ask what aspect might suit me better then? I'm more in line with mathematics, but also computers and philosophy and science or basically anywhere pure logic plays a large hand (and this defines me a great deal), so what would that lean more towards? Or is it irrelevant? A sort of intelligence for intelligence's sake? I mean, Roxy was a scientist but I don't think you could say she lived her life studying each object of interest she encountered through a scientific mindset (which is, closer to something I would do), the few times she mentioned science, it appeared that she seemed more like a scientist for the sake of being a scientist rather than for the sake of science. Am I helping? Am I being narcissistic? I don't know
Personally, I consider myself Space although I'm a Masters student in CS with a physics bachelor degree. Let's see, Doom or even Time might work. It really is tough to say. Remember that the most logical person in the entire comic is probably either Dirk or Aradia. I don't know if trying to figure things out through logic alone is enough to sequester you to any particular thing. Dirk's logic centric nature was a part of his manifestation of his willingness to destroy "who people are" in order to do what's best for everybody. "Everybody stop fooling around with your personalities and do what's best for us all". So I don't know. What's your approach to solving a problem? How do you interact with people? That's the sort of question you ask to determine your aspect. John just kinda goes along with people, wanders around a lot, and kinda stumbles into the solution by exploring. He goes where the wind takes him. Roxy just fucks around inscrutably behind the scenes and yields to others at the expense of her own desires. Dirk commands people, takes over their lives as much as he can.
hs.hiveswap.com/ezodiac/aboutaspects.php according to the wheel you got the aspect pairs spot fucking on, and i was GOING TO THEORIZE WHY but then hussie all and gave us these cannon explanations so im denied my fun
You are ridiculously woke, my dude. Seriously, this is a redpill of mammoth proportions. Also, I think the players are their aspects. Just as one cannot reduce a form down any further, I think that each player is an outgrowth of their form, a clouded reflection of the original thing. One cannot say whether the aspect was assigned or selected, because by their nature they selected the aspect, and by their birth were assigned it.
Dude. It's kind of bizarre to come back here and realize that he was the one to get the pairing right. SO COOL, MATE!
Re watching these with all that has happened, is almost prophetic
lmao literally being a void player ffs
That is what you absolutely love to see
>leave it to a void player to describe an aspect
>litteraly guesses the entire aspect wheel with 100% accuracy
>mfw
"I can't find flaws in my thought process, because I legitimately can't remember what that thought process was" omfg he's an actual void-bound!
@@jadenrobinson9781it’s an intuitive thing.
Void players are erudites
17:06 Canon Pairings pre extended zodiac this mans a legend
"To know and understand void is almost a contradictory idea."
So, can you imagine what it's like trying to be an even half decent seer of void?
Well im a mage of void and i believe there are a lot of different ways to make that statement. Ansem from kingdom hearts made a quote that helps: "One who knows nothing can understand nothing" in my opinion there are what feels like almost infinite ways to interpret this. For instance you can be a moron and "Understand nothing" as "Not understanding anything/ being oblivious" or "Understand nothing" or "understanding how nothing works and influences others." like understandimg what makes a person ignorant. If you ask me i kind of embody both in a way. I can be oblivious to the world around me because of my habit of wearing headphones to ignore the world around me while a slue of mental problems kind of makes me really bad at understanding certain things like other peoples emotions, social norms and manners, or math and when i say "bad at" i mean BAD AT while also being able to understand what people don't know about a subject if im particularity knowledgeable in said subject yet when I attempt to educate them about that thing to the best of my ability they mostly ignore me or the information goes right over there heads even if that thing is basic common sense.
Eh, void is just a tricky aspect when it comes to actively thinking. I’m a maid of void, which in itself is a contradiction, so my best advice is just, don’t think about it. If you feel you can’t handle the answer, then don’t ponder the question, just ask it, an answer isn’t always needed. Lol sorry if this is ramblely.
I would have thought that a seer would see something like a negative of all things due to only being to "SEE" void
theoretically a seer of void could probably just see anything that isn't "relevant", or anything that isn't known by anyone around them
You can see what is not therefore you can infer what is
I was halfway through the section where you were just bombarding us with lightning-fast questions about Equius's Void powers. Then my Wi-Fi cut out at 6:36.
And you forgot to mention, as void characters they always struggle to stay relevant, and this happens in the final fight with The Condense. While everyone else is getting force choked by Her, roxy is just chillin in the background, then throws a dagger killing Her. She became relevant
I'd say that the color more directly connected with Void would be the shade of grey which appears outside cannon during John's retcon shenanigans - which, if I'm not mistaken, is the same shade of grey which decorates parts of the MSPA website itself.
I said "Yes" to every single thing you listed about Lord English, Doc Scratch, Equius and AR. Also, Equius contributes the Hemospectrum as a form of limitation on self-actualisation onto the trolls (Shown through Hiveswap and the Extended Zodiac.)
Void players struggle with a social construct; Equius struggles with how the Hemospectrum, something he deludes himself into believing is constantly contradicted by himself and those around him. Similarly, Roxy struggles with human gender roles and seems the keenest on enforcing them amongst the Alpha kids, even when no one else seems to buy into it.
Void's struggle is contrasted by Light in this way, with Light players showing very little regard for what is socially "right", "proper" or "acceptable".
I've always seen ~ATH pronounced with the tilde, thus making it "til death". Given that the other programming languages are ^cake (carrot cake) and dis* (disasterisk), I'm pretty sure that was the intention.
Other than that minor thing, I love this video! Lots of really good points and I'm looking forward to that next video!
Holy shit that's brilliant. I've never heard of either of those programming languages, or if I had I've forgotten about them. Thanks for pointing that out!
+Tex Talks the books are on the bookshelf in act 1 right before John reads the "data structures for assholes" book! I'd look up the exact page but I'm on mobile right now so it's a pain in the ass XD
Oh I thought you meant that these were actual programming languages irl. I guess the leetspeak went over my head all three times. Still, thanks for pointing it out! I know exactly the page you're referring to, I'll find it myself.
At one point Terezi describes the aspects as increasing levels of complexity that the universe takes, and in that case I think the pairings are, from less to most complex, Space/Time (which is the fabric of reality and that's why all game sessions need at least one of each of these players, Void/Light, which are the duality of "that what does or does not exist" (also represented in the light of Skaia and the void of the Furthest Ring), Life/Doom (Because you need living organisms and their death at least in a unicellular/herbological sense), Blood/Breath (The two parts of the circulatory system, lungs and veins), Mind/Heart (Unity versus multiplicity, emotion versus thought, etc), and then Hope/Rage, which are the most removed from simplicity and closer to abstraction, with the, being the capacity to realize (to make real) something out of belief, or to destroy it from lack of belief in it. They also have a negative/positive polarity, with positives being Space/Light/Life/Breath/Heart/Hope and negative being Time/Void/Doom/Blood/Mind/Rage. Space evolves into hope (Calliope) and Time into rage (Calliborn), and it's a good axis from which to analyze character dynamics and symbols.
Late to the party to post this, sorry.
The idea of the color white being associated with void seems quite accurate. A lot of less relevant things in the comic, or maybe rather things that are to some degree defined by their lack of relevance, are entirely white. The guardians and lusii are an obvious example, as is the skin tone of the human kids.
Another thing I realized that has me pretty baffled is that other than Roxy, Sollux is the one character we know of that successfully managed to subtract perfect forms from each other, when Terezi got him to fix John's jetpack. I really can't think of a good explanation for it, since he's not associated with void or the perfect form system anywhere else. I suppose maybe it says more about the mage class, since he did something that should have been impossible in order to make the jetpack which took John to his doom. Heck you could make a similar argument for how he contacted Doc Scratch. Holy smokes and he managed to create a working SGrub out of some ruin symbols, which subsequently doomed Alternia. I think I might actually be onto something here. And Meulin was supposedly a "miracle worker" I can't believe this I just found a workable theory for the mage class.
Sorry I got a bit distracted there, great video, I'm off to see if my theory holds water.
Doesn't Doom heavily correspond to rules and systems? I always interpreted Sollux subtracting the forms from the jetpack that way as a showing of his ability to see through systems and patterns and manipulate things that way. Same with his hacking skills, and Doc Scratch, (I really like what you said about SGRUB dooming the planet too). Just another way that Callie was accurate when she said that different class and aspect combinations being able to accomplish similar things.
Also can you give me the quote of Meulin being called a miracle worker? I don't remember that.
I like the idea of Blood and Breath being complementary. They're my two favorite aspects. Freedom/Bondage (assuming you go with Blood being about relationships and bonds between people, which I do).
blood's the aspect of bdsm
@@kauekairony990 nah man its obviously void no doubt
@@leggyalyssa9000 blood is the bondage restraints safewords and sexual contracts and probably blood play parts of bdsm
Void is the Sub/Dom, sadism, masochism, roleplay, and fetishistic submission play part of bdsm.
Remember aspects are the elements and building blocks of the homestuck world and like elements of the periodic table can combine to make new things
You can use ideas from both aspects together to form something new like adding hydrogen and oxygen to make water. But like hydrogen and oxygen they can make more than 1 thing when mixed because that can also make hydrogen peroxide using only the same ingredients by changing the amounts of the elements used so the concept of BDSM is likely one of billions of Ideas that can be formed of the combination of. blood and Void
17:06 Yeah, you were right.
I can explain rage and hope pairing :D
Rage is about fear, anger, despair and disbelief. Only rage players that we got in a comic were destruction classes, which means that they supress or destroy rage actively, by solving anguments or sharing Hope with others, or passively (shown in Gamzees and Caliborn interactions) allowing others to use themselves ir other things as " punching bags" to calm someone down.
Hope on the other hand is all about believing in your ideals, making them a little bit more real, having hope for better outcomes, etc. etc. The hope players we got were: Prince, who lost all hope, destroying it within himself, Bard, who was bully-like, and page, who was weak at first, but as he was growing and progressing, his hope was getting stronger, making things more real.
Homestuck blew my mind and these videos are re-blowing it all over again
It's a shame this doesn't get more coverage, I really appreciate the time and effort you've put into your analysis and portraying your interpretation of Homestuck's world. I'm not exactly great at that sort of thing myself, but I do find it rather interesting, and well, Homestuck is just great. Looking forward to Hiveswap, still feel a bit sad that the original universe is kinda done with, but it's for the best that really great things come to an end gracefully, which I personally think is how it went down.
turns out you were right about the aspect pairings my dude check the extended zodiac
i’m so happy that there’s not only an analyst who’s a math guy, but also who’s analyzing homestuck
Equius beats cans in collide by doing nothing.
I tend to think that each aspect has its opposite, both central to the same theme in the other direction, creation vs destruction, freedom vs connection, ect. In addition, I feel that each aspect also has a counter. This countering only goes one way, as opposed to the opposites which is a two way pairing. Time counters space counters void counters ect
That's interesting! It sounds almost like the same daisy chaining pattern that the kids enter the game in. You should make a diagram!
ohhhhh myyyy godddddd the narrative avoiding the void player, equius.... jegus homestuck is deep. i am of course thinking about the parallels with the epilogue/hs2 now
Bravo!! this is an absolutely fantastic discussion of the aspects and how they work. I really deeply appreciate hearing your thoughts on the manner!
i just wanna say that i love the pairings for the aspects
they make sense from a universe type perspective
time and space = the universe
light and void= the state of an idea
life and doom = life and death
hope and rage= feelings
blood and breath= pyisical body
mind and hart = meteforical body
or at lest
that's how I interpret it
your pairings were all right based on the aspect zodiac, even if you didnt have much justification
Way to go man! This is a very thought-provoking series, and I really enjoy it. I've wanted someone to look at Homestuck academically for a long time and seeing someone do it is so satisfying.
bladekindEyewear wrote a very extensive theory that Doc Scratch is Li'l Hal, Dirk's Autoresponder. The theory, of course, gets updated on the reveal of what Li'l Cal is precisely made of, but it only cements the connections further. Give it a read; it's pretty thorough and well researched!
Everything in the Equius section blew my mind. (In part because I had trouble understanding the Vine claymation segments, so having it spelled out helped me a lot.) Will the shocking-revelations-about-Homestuck pile ever stop getting taller?
I personally would switch complementary pairings to be such: Doom/Mind (based on your earlier comments on their ability to perceive or affect doomed and alpha timelines), and Life/Heart (physical, temporal, external self vs. metaphysical, everlasting*, internal self). Life... things have a built-in extinction down to a microscopic level, bodies in a state of decay and regrowth, and outside God Tiers and other majyyk-touched entities all biological things die - whereas Heart things (personhood, memories, every razor-thin slice of experience or behavior making up a thinking being, I guess?) have an infinite inertia to persist in dream bubbles*, even from doomed timelines.
*until outlier Lord English starts decimating ghosts, that is.
Haha.
Void's a great aspect. I've always been more intrigued with Equius than Vriska, partially because when somebody takes more effort to notice, I put a lot of effort into noticing them, and thus I've always been more preoccupied with the sort of nonsense that void players get into rather than that of Light players.
Can't wait till your next part.
I dunno if this is all that relevant, but sometimes I find myself getting completely attached to things that no one ever told me to while _completely_ ignoring the blatantly obvious thing in the spotlight (unless I need to). For instance, in the original Portal, everyone and their mother cried over the companion cube because they got so attached to it, but I felt way more attached to that random unmarked cube a little ways back and made a real effort to hold onto it axis long as I could.
The reason I say it might not be too relevant however, is just that I might have decided to be difficult or something and ignore what people told me in favor of doing something random and ultimately not all that portent to have changed, as things still turned out fine.
+Atomic Robo Tesla You seem like a void player.
ähvä Maybe, but I also gt the feeling I might fit well of not better as light instead. I mean, I'm pretty darn lucky, have a love for info and learning, etc, ; but I do have problems actually _being_ important and stuff.
Something you might find interesting: The "empty" color John references, as well as the house he sticks his hand through, is actually transparent - that "empty" color.
And while we're thinking about aspects, I realized that the only three aspects not confirmed to enter the new universe is mind, rage, and doom. It can be assumed that Terezi makes it in, and it is implied that Gamzee does too, but it seems unlikely that Sollux, a Doom player, made it in. Do you feel that this is problematic to aspect-related theories, to have only 11 aspects represented in the new universe?
I hadn't really considered it but there is actually one version of Sollux who is 100% fully alive. The one pre-retcon. He could have and if you ask me did make it in along with Aradia
Very true; I entirely forgot about that!
If the color wheel is an issue, the two blank ones are exactly derse and prospit colors, and the time players are always derse and the space players always prospit, sooo yeah. If moving those would help, that might be a possibility
@Tex Talks I think a lot like you and in many ways your analysis has put into words things I hadn't quite been able to formulate myself. Thought processes are a hard thing to trace back, and I really like the idea of void as a sort of superposition of all aspects to create the nothing that is the background of universes, honestly, void has always seemed like the most interesting aspect to me and one I relate to for some reason. Homestuck is quite something. Almost feel like it can't have been made up.
You have so much knowledge on this aspect! Def a void player. But you could also be a light player in some way BECAUSE of the knowledge ;)
your diagrams are amazing without audio context
If I remember correctly, your conclusion of the opposite/pairs of aspects was recently confirmed by Hussie himself in the form of the Extended Zodiac. I can't get on the website right now, but what you have down looks accurate.
I'm thinking white is void because it's the color of a blank paint canvas. But also transparency and therefore the bg color of the website.
And Arquius went outside of the panels in that fighting flash, so I'd say anything outside the panels is void too.
I recall my little attempt(s) at trying to pair the aspects up in more ways than one. They've basically been grouped by so many different ways that I can't really separate the complementary pairs from one another any more.
By this point, I've begun to believe that the complementary pairs just defines the Positive-Negative, while the other ways of pairing group them into other thematical similarities and differences. To me, Heart (my aspect, as a Seer of Heart!) is linked more with negative aspects for some reason - but also, I kind of feel that there's a primary aspect and a secondary aspect. Basically, Primary is the one that defines a person most, and defines their personality - for me, it's clearly Heart. Then, Secondary refers to the leaning that the way they use and see the Primary, or basically their idea of what it is. So a Heart-doom player prefers the idea of red string of fate, while Heart-Blood might focus on the emotions for platonic relationships. That's what I personally think.
(By that account, Karkat would be a Blood-Heart since he's so brilliant at relationships between people, and can tell when people has those emotions.)
I don’t know why but I feel like a mage Of void would be self aware. Like knowing there in a comic.
When I'm a page of void and this video helped me progress "a lot"
(a lot is relative to how much progress i make in other circumstances, not how much progress I have until im at my full potential, namely because I'll never reach my "full potential")
When being a page of void sets me up to be similar to Horrus. When this makes me sad.
Just because you have the same classpect dosen't means your going to end up like him. It just means you have to put a LOT of effort to get what you want. It may seem like your not having an impact on anything, but thats not true, you do matter because the world wouldn't be the same without you.
Personally, I think I'm a void player like you, so I know how it feel to not feel like your completely useless and a waste of space. Keep thinking positively, because the alpha timeline needs void players like us just as any other aspect
OmegaGame Kid omg, you have no idea how... thank you, holy sh!t.
I don't know anything about you, but I do know that you are as great and important as anyone else. I hope you feel better about yourself and that you manage to surpass your "full potential" ^u^
Wow dude. You must be incredibly lucky. To be able to serve nothing, it is a much more enviable role than mine. All I can do is destroy perception or destroy through perceiving. It's a bit annoying to just be rather than be anything.
Ooooh wow, this is a really fuckin old comment. 4 years ago I was classpecting...
I feel like, along with obfuscation, nonexistence and unimportance are a HUGE part of Void. Uselessness, submission and restraint all seem to fit in with the idea of nonexistance and unimportance (and/or modesty) in a way, and saying it this way makes Void seem like less of a negative aspect, because if it's a building block of the universe, I don't feel like it should seem good or bad (except maybe Hope and Doom).
I feel like it fits the Void characters well, too. And it fits the word "void", too.
As for Void's pair, Life and Mind also could potentially make sense. Life makes more sense than Mind, though. And honestly, I feel as though Life and Void could very well be a pair. The importance, existence/life, and relevance of Life (Light also could fit these, but I feel as though it really doesn't fit as well as Life being these) against the unimportance/modesty and nonexistence/obfuscation of Void. Life is the most complex thing; Void is the simplest. I could go on.
As for your color theory, firstly, none of the other pairs (unless you assume Hope and Rage are a pair, which I don't) show this. Secondly, Breath and Light are actually just about as much of a color pair, if not more, AND there's the God Tier outfits' shoes. Of course, this only applies to Time/Space and Breath/Light. That I've seen. But It's still a possible reason.
My PERSONAL aspect pairs are:
Breath and Light (Freedom and Instinct vs Information, Fortune, and Planning Ahead)
Time and Space (Obvious?)
Mind and Heart (Left-Brain vs Right Brain, Logic and Thought vs Emotions and True Self)
Life and Void (Importance, Relevance, and "Staying in the Limelight" vs Unimportance, Nonexistence, and "staying in the shadows")
Hope and Doom (Optimism, Positive Belief, and Purity vs Pessimism, Negative Belief, and Corruption/Differences)
Blood and Rage (Unity, Working Together, and Bonds vs Isolation, Pride, and "Me Power")
I may be wrong, but I feel like it's a possibility. That's just my two cents. Amazing analysis btw, it really was good and you brought up lots of good points.
(EDIT: I really don't put too much effort into pairings, since really, they aren't important, as you said. Who cares if Oxygen is the opposite of Nitrogen or Helium is the opposite of Hydrogen? NOBODY, and we don't even need to find pairs in the Periodic Table. Plus, forcing aspects into pairs can make it hard to pick up on clues that you'd otherwise see.)
I believe that the bad and good of any aspect is an extremely wrong idea and agree with you on that.
As for the opposites, I believe that some of them are wrong, and the opposite aspect pairs are actually really important because of inversion and stuff.
Lucas Tyrrell Figuring out aspect opposites is not my biggest concern, since I am currently attempting to piece together each aspect and I'm trying to create the definitions for each aspect make sense no matter what you pair them with, so people who disagree with me in that regard (like you) can still enjoy or even believe my definitions of the aspects.
Also, while I personally do not believe in Inversion, it would certainly make the pairs much more important.
Ah, I see. So I guess that's more reasonable. Also, what's your argument against inversion?
Also, hopefully you take this more as an intelligent argument than me just yelling back, right? XD
Lucas Tyrrell Of course I will take this as an intelligent argument.
For my argument against Inversion, firstly, all Seers have been known to stray from their aspect at times, throwing them off the path. Terezi has messed up because of her emotions and let her emotions control her on several occasions, Rose has gone "screw my plans, I'm going to do this" on multiple occasions (most notably when she went Grimdark), and Kankri seems to be focusing more on himself than others, and is pretty self-centered. Some big points can easily be countered with this information.
As for Jade "ghosting" her inversion early on, well, first I must explain something. In addition to being the building blocks of the universe, I believe the aspects are the building blocks to one's personality, and basically, who they are. For example, Breath is freedom and Type B personality, while Light is planning/fortune and Type A personality. (I could get into why I think this but Inversion comes first.) Whichever aspect people most relate to is their aspect, and how that relation "works" is how the class is decided. (This is why not all people with a certain classpect will be the same.) Time and Space have always been the most difficult here for me, since very few people will relate more to linearity/potentiality than anything else. So, what I'm going with right now is that Time is responsibility and Space is dreams/imagination. (Again, I'll save my reasoning for after Inversion.) Jade was changing a lot with what she saw in her dreams, which would be pretty literal, but it would fit a Witch of Space. As for being passive for most of the story, Alt!Calliope explains that to Jade, too. (Too lazy to link the page, sorry, but you should be able to find it.)
Then, finally, there's the fact that it really just isn't likely, judging from what I've heard. It's been joked about by members of the Homestuck team, including Hussie himself, and I feel like it would have been at least hinted at (more often; I believe it's been mentioned once?) Also, there's the fact that Titles are supposed to challenge the payer, which accomplishes most of the same things as Inversion, if I'm correct.
Of course, there certainly is evidence for Inversion, but I feel like it's a bit outlandish, and it feels like lots of evidence can be explained in other ways, too. I'll be fine if Hussie declares it canon, but I'm not a huge believer at the moment.
I want to know, what is some of your evidence (that I didn't bring up) SUPPORTING Inversion? I'm curious.
I'm commenting to read this later. Sort of busy, atm.
In a way, i get the feeling that Mind and Rage are actually somewhat opposites... One is the clarity of pure logic and forethought, the other is a clouding or obscuration thereof by pure emotion.
I think you have the potential to be a light player too, you're lighting up important info and making the abstract understandable. although i don't know you as a person so it could just be an thing that could merge into another aspect
Your parings are cannon now! Nice!
Great video as always. Thank you for making these.
this dude is so right it kinda hurts
More, so much More! Your Analyses are soo good!
i like how you say eequius
its derived from latin equus, which means horse. pronounced /eh-kw-uus/. im pretty sure equius was intended to be pronounced like that, but with an extra -i- (or "ee" if you want) before the end.
honestly the color wheel makes a lot more sense if it's applied to a gradient wheel instead of a segmented one.
also, it will now bother me forever that doom isn't purple...
I Enjoyed the video through and throughout it was educating and touched on a lot of subjects that are key to such a mysterious class when I took the which God tier are you quiz I got bard of void as my class so I was like oh man imma totally make this work and do pride myself on saying my AU will have a bard of void who just makes the most big void session ever but by taking a plunge into the unknown not with a cod piece but within the void will he truly fulfill his void session then the humans have a knight of rage as there main kid who enjoys creepypastas and is like Dave but has Gamzees anger so it'd be cool to see what you have on other classes & aspects like rage also books like jailbreak & problem sleuth play a lot into different classes look at the pumpkins in Roxys void attack there like the ones in jailbreak or jakes hope powers b4 game over are like PS using sapulchritude so yeah u really gotta dig into hussies lore which you've read humanimals so you have XD
17:00 so fucking true man. I feel you so hard.
hey, if you had the chance would you want to play Sburb? cause I've spent the last year attempting to make a tabletop role-playing game, I call it SKRUB, and it's nearly finished, but there is always room to discuss more things in the meta that nobody is really sure about, and yank it it from the void by shining some light on it, thus allowing it to be properly factored into creation.
Void is always a fun aspect to think about, cause yeah, it is designed to obfuscate itself, a true paradox. it's interesting how much of void link up with concepts in Taoism and Buddhism, especially since Hussie didn't even try to do that. or maybe he did and we simply missed it.
Here's a little tidbit of the role of Void in SKRUB. besides a lot of what you just mentioned, it also plays an integral role in the creation of other timelines, or rather the lack of relation. I decided that the whole "infinite world's" interpretation of timelines in homestuck is both not manageable in a tabletop setting and really lowers the importance of players actions since there is always another one of them that did something different. So in SKRUB there starts with only one timeline, and the actions of the time player going back and changing the course of events, especially what choices players made. but it can't just be anything, like let's say eating one side of an ice-cream come first over another, because that change wouldn't have any effect of the story (even if causality wise it would change the entire universe). man, I thought to myself, if only there was some measurement inherent to the universe that determines whether things are important or not. And thus some of the most important functions of the aspects Light and Void were born. timelines are only created when something that currently has Light shining upon it is changed, anything in the dark has no effect on the Canon of events. the creation of Legendary Weapons, The Choice, player Death and Revival are all inherently in the light, whereas mundane objects and meaningless choices all are in the dark. let's take the truest mundane object, the Perfectly Generic Cube. should Roxy have been sent back in time, she could have made 5 more or 10,000,000 more PGCs, and time wouldn't be considered altered. and that shows what her, and voids players potential is. their actions "don't matter" to the timeline, thus they could do whatever they pleased. and Roxy, the Rogue of Void, one who steals from unimportance, can take anything she likes from things that don't matter. thus the infinite Perfectly Generic Objects, and thus the Matriorb. because how much did the matriorb being brought back effect the story? Nothing. Nada. Zilch. a Rogue can't effect whether or not their aspect is present, they can only take things from their aspect. if she was a Thief, she could have stolen the void from the Matriorb, making it important again. Thus is the power of Heroes of Void.
so if you guys liked this, well I tried to accurately recreate homestuck with SKRUB while also making a playable game, come talk to me on the tumblr blog skrub-ttrpg, or comment in this thread on a better place to discuss. If not, well at least you heard an interesting interpretation.
skrub-ttrpg.tumblr.com/ here's a link
Wow
Aquarian Valentine If Sburb was actually real I wouldn't have a choice but to play, since I wouldn't want to be here when the meteors come.
yo thats some good shit right there
So... The more specific an alchemy result, the more pricey. Such as.. A dog vs a laborador vs a female lab vs my childhood lab, Ell. The generic dog may take less grist but my dog Ell, would take more?
doc scratch can't observe horuss? i missed that somehow, when is that explained?
Exactly.
maxxramman I think in Mindfang's journal she talks about him helping her hide the cue ball in the way Equius helps Vriska do the same thing.
6:42 Yes.
6:46 Hell yes!
6:51 Hell fucking yes!!!
Anyone notice all the void players are passive. What do you think an active void player would look like?
Page is active....
Rose when she discovers the truth about the horror terrors.
4:30 i didnt even know who the red dude was supposed to be prior to u explaining this part
you would think that hope and doom would be opposite but then i cant think of an opposite for rage and life because they don't seem to go together. hope and doom also makes sense in the fact that Eridan and Sollux are hope and doom players respectively and they hate each other, maybe their aspects being opposite is apart of that.
Hope and Doom aren't actually opposite in meaning.
...So you're right about the aspects.
What website/program did you use to make your own punchcards at 12:15?
There's a link to it on the bottom of John's GameFAQs entry within the comic. I think the beginning of act 3. Or you could just google 'Gankro punch card calculator'
Tex Talks Wow. I can't believe I never noticed that. Thanks!
So in a way the alchemizer uses grist to argue into existence objects due to the very nature of paradox space
Yo. Someone make me an avatar so I can ditch this smug box. In exchange, I'll... uhh... change my avatar. If I like it.
What Do Want?
That's a good question. I'm open to pretty much anything. A lot of people seem to use their own custom character sprites. Maybe something like that?
What Would you classify your god tier as?
(What is your God Tier?)
I'm defs a void player. Class I'm not so sure. I've been leaning towards a bard.
+Tex Talks
How would you describe yourself appearance wise?
hey does anyone know the website for the tool shown in 12:13?
Maid of void, can create and craft from nothing and with nothing uwu
Katia Managan from Prequel Adventure
Welcome to the future your pairings were correct
Hey... So, Tex here, he says he relates to Void the most, right? Well, in this video, at the complementary Aspects part, where he says the pairs of aspects, and the color wheel. Anyway, he says he can't find any flaw in his reasoning, but he also can't even find his reasoning in the first place. Void describes Lack, nothing, and OBVUSCATION. This supports my theory that the aspects are real. ^^
did you predict the aspect wheel before it was created, or are you the origin of the aspect wheel cause, you were dam well right
I have a question is it possible for a game session to have two or more equal classes like imagine that back in the troll session the unknown thirteen troll actually was another time player what would have happened then would the game create scenarios where either aradia or the other troll die
Nice work man
Hello I know you won't see or read this or care but as I'm sure you've well and moved on in your life but, do me a favor and contemplate this: void and light govern perception and reality. My father told me this constantly when I was a child but I never understood it till now. I bet you he still doesn't understand it now. I'd like to imagine you actually did read this even though you certainly didn't and thank you in case you did. Good "luck" out there lol!
i prefer to pair hearth/blood and mind/breath.
hearth represent self while blood represent others
dirk destroyed dave's self-esteem
karkat was practically incapable of fighting by himself
mind represents possibilities while breath represents reality
terezi was able to see the results of possible outcomes (that's why "luck doesn't matter" to her, because she can plan ahead for every possible outcomes)
john was able to alter reality even once it had already happened
Well as of hives swap you diddly done figured it out
Do you think if Roxy wanted to she could create specific aspect manifestations outside of void
honestly i get all of the pairings except for breath/blood
they dont seem to have anything connecting them at all.
all the others have something but is it just breath/blood are just... whats left?
Metafictionally - Brisk pacing and story focus vs character drama and romance. John and Karkat represent these in what they value in a story. The story itself shifts in it's value system in this regard, depending on which of these two characters is the focal point.
Biologically - selfishness vs altruism (see Richard Dawkins' book the Selfish Gene) both provide qualities required of good leadership, John and Karkat demonstrate this. Dawkins' argues that all behavior is fundamentally due to one of these, and they both serve the same singular purpose of gene preservation.
you are so smart like , all the pairings are true !!!
I appreciate the effort
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Could you please do an analysis on the Time aspect?
I'll get to all of them eventually.
Nice video!
Can u make one of these but have no spoilers? I don’t read homestuck, I watch the RUclips series by voxus. So I am alweys trying to hide from spoilers
The very first video in the series is less spoilerish than the others. Just finish reading it and then watch!
Love ur channel and anylisis
Man I love your Shit! Its so amazing!!
So What Is Your Take On Homestuck 2.0?
I'll participate on whatever comes out. But if it was up to me, I would end it as soon as the game and epilogue were finished. Homestuck has flaws, but as a story, I think that it's extremely important, and anything else coming out and calling itself Homestuck in the future would dampen the significance of what we already have. That and I really just want to see Hussie do something new and different.
Well, those particular aspect parings do have a Lot of Evidence, but you're wrong when you say "no other theorizer has done them before". Ever heard of bladekindeyewear, and every other tumblr theorizer who ever heard of him and didn't completely hate him? True, some of his theories are a bit out there, but those aspect pairings are The Best aspect pairings
I was specifically referring to him when I said that. What I was trying to make clear is that even though I'll be discussing the same pairings that he did, I will be pointing out relationships between them that he didn't.
ok
grist=light?
I pronounce it all-kim-it-ur.
Or al-kim-it-ur.
(Like the name Al)
Is there going to be stuff about Hope, Rage, Life etc?
Yes. There is a >90% chance that hope and rage are next, in fact.
Will you be going into detail about Titles like you did with Seer and Heir at any point?
Yes. For each aspect I'll be sure to at least briefly hit on all of the characters which use it, and I'll be offering up my interpretations of new classes as we arrive at them.
Awesome, thanks!
I'm a heir of void
Actually, Roxy likes Dirk, not Jake, and lets go because Dirk likes Jake (just like Jane)
It's Eh-qui-us not ee-quee-us, like eh-qus or horse in Latin
you are a very intelligent person
Why don't identify more with mind?
P'shaw! After watchign this vid, I've decided that if I ever write a fan-fic the mind player's going to be dumb as shit.
Pretty much this. I don't think intelligence is a simple enough idea to be an expression of just one aspect. I think you could probably construct something which looks like intelligence out of all of them.
Also, Roxy and Jade both grow up to be scientists, and they're void and space respectively. Dirk the heart player is a machiavellian schemer who can build robots, Sollux is a ridiculously good hacker/programmer, etc. Not that Latula and Terezi aren't smart, but correlation doesn't imply causation.
Can I ask what aspect might suit me better then? I'm more in line with mathematics, but also computers and philosophy and science or basically anywhere pure logic plays a large hand (and this defines me a great deal), so what would that lean more towards? Or is it irrelevant? A sort of intelligence for intelligence's sake? I mean, Roxy was a scientist but I don't think you could say she lived her life studying each object of interest she encountered through a scientific mindset (which is, closer to something I would do), the few times she mentioned science, it appeared that she seemed more like a scientist for the sake of being a scientist rather than for the sake of science. Am I helping? Am I being narcissistic? I don't know
Personally, I consider myself Space although I'm a Masters student in CS with a physics bachelor degree.
Let's see, Doom or even Time might work. It really is tough to say. Remember that the most logical person in the entire comic is probably either Dirk or Aradia. I don't know if trying to figure things out through logic alone is enough to sequester you to any particular thing. Dirk's logic centric nature was a part of his manifestation of his willingness to destroy "who people are" in order to do what's best for everybody. "Everybody stop fooling around with your personalities and do what's best for us all". So I don't know. What's your approach to solving a problem? How do you interact with people? That's the sort of question you ask to determine your aspect. John just kinda goes along with people, wanders around a lot, and kinda stumbles into the solution by exploring. He goes where the wind takes him. Roxy just fucks around inscrutably behind the scenes and yields to others at the expense of her own desires. Dirk commands people, takes over their lives as much as he can.
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hs.hiveswap.com/ezodiac/aboutaspects.php according to the wheel you got the aspect pairs spot fucking on, and i was GOING TO THEORIZE WHY but then hussie all and gave us these cannon explanations so im denied my fun
You Say None Of The Jokes Are Completely Irrelevant To The Story So Explain Hussie's Connection To Virgo And Space
He's the author! He's responsible for the creation and facilitating of greater canon-space.
+Tex Talks Thanks
do you go to Keith
Anne Kabese who?
Tex Talks keith
*applause
You are ridiculously woke, my dude. Seriously, this is a redpill of mammoth proportions. Also, I think the players are their aspects. Just as one cannot reduce a form down any further, I think that each player is an outgrowth of their form, a clouded reflection of the original thing. One cannot say whether the aspect was assigned or selected, because by their nature they selected the aspect, and by their birth were assigned it.
you pronounced equius wrong. this is almost as egregious (troper definition) as how you pronounced hussie last time.
Andrew Hussie says there's no proper way to pronounce any of the character names.
.....eeeequius