Homestuck is one of those things that I don’t think I’ll ever get away from. It always manages to come back with a vengeance. One that I’m always more than happy to accept. I’ve made ocs. Met friends. Had great times. I even owe it to helping me connect with my spouse who I’ve been with for many years now. To me it just has this way of connecting people. I owe it to my stepbrother for introducing this wild piece of media to me.
That's great! All stories must come to an end, but the truly great pieces of media will stick with you forever. Homestuck will always be a part of my life, even if I go 20 years without engaging in it.
as someone getting into homestuck now this video is actually such a good dissection of what i still love about homestuck now! its so emotional to me, even though i do think it drags and the epis arent for me-- im glad it makes me feel those things! im glad it has things i don't enjoy seeing in it! i was already aware that i was queer when i first read it, but it made me more in tune with that part of myself, it gave me words for things i was already feeling that i didnt quite have yet. ive met my best friends through homestuck fanworks and roleplays and talking about the characters. Its genuinely one of the most fun ive had in a fandom space in awhile. this and your homestuck recap are what im sending to my boyfriend to try and get him onto the homestuck boat with me. thank you so much for making this. peace out :)
i'm so glad there are more and more videos on homestuck's strengths as a media piece for someone who got into it after hs finished and still found it fun and entertaining (it held me for two straight years an with my adhd it's telling lmao) it's validating anyway i'm still on the intro so let's goooo
I do very much appreciate this video and all its contents, but one prevalent issue that, while probably minor to most, is very enraging to me - and one that occurs not only in this video but in the community as a whole, likely due to some mysterious lack of literary comprehension around it specifically while not occurring for many other characters - is the misinterpretation of Gamzee. It's a very heart felt thing to me as I love his character front to back, but nobody seems to understand him besides a handful of personalities I may stumble across. He wasn't a "toxic" lover for Terezi, nor did he become a religious zealot. He's a character plagued by a lack of agency in his life, and of which is a prevalent theme for his story. He's a character who becomes self aware of The Joke surrounding him, and he hates the story because of it, and he makes the audience mad because he's informed that they're the ones keeping it going. Lord English, in the form of Cal, manipulates and breaks him down psychologically, likely to the point of mind control as shown later on which Jack. He's later manipulated by Aranea to attack Terezi despite directly showing in the brief moment he is fully aware, that he does not want to. He goes through a series of psychological breaks caused by his faltering mental state due to his addiction, subsequent withdrawals, religious mockery, and full-on shattering from Lil Cal. He's a deeply tragic character that people just call a self absorbed psychopath without giving a second look despite the story telling an insanely different series of events.
god i feel like such a nerd writing this but here goes, you got the negative half of the quandrants pretty wrong, no hate intended its confusing and weird by design but basically, your Kismesis is an exclusive relationship, which means if a troll were to start to have black feelings for another troll while engaged in an ongoing blackrom with someone else, it is the duty of an Auspistice to prevent this from happening, maintaining the pre-existing relationship and preventing cheating. there is also a secondary application for Auspisticism. if not to prevent black cheating then to determine if an ongoing or growing blackrom is bad for the troll's social or romantic life, just like what was happening between Gamzee and Terezi, their blackrom was destroying Terezi's life and taking her down a dark spiral, even if she wasnt cheating on anybody, its still the duty of an Auspistice to end the engagement for the sake of the troll's health and other relationships
I dont know how much I "grew up" with homestuck, I was maybe 16 when I read it fully and I must have gotten in JUST as it was ending, because I remember when I finished the epilouges came out pretty soonafterwards, and it took me a hot minute to actually read. Anyway, as someone who wasnt there for any of the pauses, post act 5 I enjoyed more, for everyone saying that it got worse, it didn't, it just got more convoluted and in my opinion, interesting. Bias exists everywhere and people dont like change, but it DID make homestuck what it is today. and I for one am still enjoying beyond canon, and am hopeful for haveswap act 3, we are still getting tesers on occaision. best hours long homestuck video essay released in the last 7 hours at least.
As a latine myself, I disagree pretty hard with a lot you had to say on the Aracial section. It felt like a pretty antagonistic read on the concept and its intent (as much as I agree that its employment was pretty sloppy, as far as Hussie didn't have it in mind consciously until like Act 6), and in a few places it felt like it wrapped around to very generalizing, regressive takes on stereotypes and expected behavior and signifiers from members of a culture/racial identity in the guise of progressive critique :(
i am almost surprised by you not bringing up Equius during the first critique or Gamzee during the irony section but i suppose they are side jokeish characters
Equius because he engages in racial fetishism as a 13-year-old child I presume? Yeah I agree that that is *weird*, but I felt the comic acknowledged that, you know? He was meant to be off-putting, and personally I think he grows throughout Act 5 until his death, as identified by how he initially refused to roleplay with Nepeta but by the end, it's the last thing he ever does. As for Gamzee, I don't think irony has that much to do with his character. I think the comic is textually very anti-Gamzee, and Gamzee defenders are fighting an uphill battle.
As a trans man, I was so ecstatic when Roxy was revealed as a trans man. Roxy was one of my favorite characters and seeing him made me feel a little more comfortable with myself.
homestuck has been my nearly lifelong comfort series that i got into in 2010 when i was 10 and now as a(n almost) 25 year old it still brings me so much happiness and the warmth i've felt from the fandom is something most people brush past and i loved the way you highlighted that part. great video, homestuck videos always make me so nostalgic i love this series and community
I'd say don't be too worried that the HSBC are going for a 100% fan pleasing route. They did a reddit ama where they hard confirmed June Egbert and James Roach has said in multiple interviews that the story is already plotted out with no desire for fandom influence on major plot points (also if they wanted to please people they would have canned HS2 and started again given the controversial elements)
I think people are a lot more trusting of what creators say than I am. I've read a lot of what James has said, but I still think there's a heavy incentive to please the audience; it's just a matter of will they do it. This happens in many fandoms, like Bethesda glorifying the Brotherhood of Steel in Fallout to please military fanboys, but I feel the incentive with Homestuck at the moment to be strong.
best movie that actually made me cry real tears. i got into homestuck right as the comics ended, I remember specifically hearing of the epilouges coming out that I had to *avoid at all costs* when tbh I was just reading this comic to impress a girl (before I knew I was a lesbian ironically) it really is a media that you can't go in and not be a little changed coming out the other side, for better and for worse. seeing all the highs and lows of such a huge fandom's history is very bittersweet with how the internet has changed today. i don't think you could ever get such phenomimon to happen like this ever again, and that makes the comic really special to me i find it so wonderful that there are still people interacting as fans, still doing cosplay and fanart, still loving their favourite series and characters when its not "popular" anymore. because that's genuine i think. and i hope the next generation can find those communities and safe spaces and finally have the words to express themselves, to be weird and find others who actually get them i will forever be grateful to my best friend and moirail, the terezi to my dave, who made high school a not so lonely experience (and probably helped speed up a lot of redemption i needed with how shitty i was in middle school lmao)
I read homestuck after it already was finished. I wasn't here when epilogues *just* dropped, and I read them several years after. You can say when I was *here* with homestuck its only when HS^2 got resurrected and started to update again in October. But! But. Its still a very, very important piece of media for me, that scratches my brain in a way nothing else does, and it means something important for me that i even can't put it into words. And epilogues and HSBC was as important as Homestuck for me, and I was pretty much sad when I had a high interest in them, only to be meet with criticism and "dont read epilogues, its shiiit" So. first, thank you for this video, it made me happier and clearly made my day, and second, that's a small thing just from me, but gosh, thanks for talking about things in epilogues and further, I was so hungry for someone to actually TALK about it, tell something else that they're bullshit and crap. Thank you for this incredible work, ilu.
It's been many years since I've known about homestuck, but I've started the comic multiple times throughout the years and I've always had trouble to finish the prologue (which seems to go on and on and on forever lol). But your video resurrected my interest in it again, so I'll give it a honest attempt
You wouldn't be alone in thinking that the first few Acts are dry. Personally I find them to still be amusing and funny, but they are definitely a different KIND of funny (like, there's a lot of programmer humor).
Since finished the video from my first comment. 59:24 Alright, got to stop you right there as there was a Homestuck Beyond Canon Reddit Q&A when the comic was re-launched, and they straight up confirmed that June Egbert wasn’t just going to still happen, but it was always the plan even before the Toblerone incident. (Though they consider June’s transition a spoiler that Hussie spoiled in the Toblerone incident.) -And now that I’m nearing the end of the video, it’s clearer that this video’s been worked on for so long that it was recorded before Beyond Canon started up again.- And now that I’m watching the part of the video recorded after Beyond Canon returned, I’m pretty sure you don’t know of the Reddit AMA. 1:10:58 going to add that some folks read Porrim as being a “men’s rights activist” analog. (It’s discussed at the end of Jan Misali’s video.) I’m too tired to fact-check/look into it, though, but regardless of the intentions behind Kankri’s character, he just feels boring. I don’t think, “Wow, isn’t it bad when -SJWs- "woke scolds" use their progressiveness as a shield for their unprogressive aspects.” I feel like Andrew Hussie has tied me to a chair so he can soapbox to me about people he didn’t like in 2012. (Especially as Kankri’s constant complaining about slurs makes it feel like Hussie is trying to be defensive of his overuse of the R world in the first half of the comic. Like it just feels like Hussie’s soapboxing to me about how he’s annoyed that people don’t like how he uses the R-word so often in the comic.) 1:56:17 Okay, the more I watch this video, the weirder it gets. Like, I’m an Undertale/Deltarune fan who recently became a Homestuck fan. *_I know_* fandoms often get un-deserved reputations. Harassment is bad, and from what I know of the harassment of HS^2’s team, that was also bad. But it feels weird to argue that Eyepatch Wolf is either some closeted Homestuck fan or hater or whatever, *_just_* because he made a long video essay on Undertale. Like, did not everyone who's an Undertale fan know of Homestuck before playing the game? Idk. This just feels parasocial, and the latter half of this video just feels a bit terminally online. For example, “Fans having an unjust reputation” isn’t a Homestuck thing; it’s a fandom thing. Maybe it’s worse due to Homestuck’s decline in popularity, but idk. There was a lot of hate for UT/DR fans back in the day. And, it feels weird to associate those who say “Stop after Act 5” are all/mostly right-wingers. Some people just think quality-wise that the latter half of Homestuck isn’t as good as the first. (And while I liked Act 6, I do admit that the comic peaked with Cascade and that Act 6 has the lowest point in Homestuck’s quality. (Openbound.) There’s a reason I like to call Homestuck the best and worst thing I’ve ever read because some parts of the comic are the most clever writing I’ve read, and others are Openbound (or as I like to call it, “Andrew Hussie’s soapbox.”) It’s quality is a roller-coaster.) And I don’t think “Kickstarter incompetence” excuses failed Kickstarter just because they didn’t “intend” to scam people. Whether it’s a scam or just the well-intended people running a Kickstarter fucking up, the result’s the same. People losing their money with nothing in return. And just to preference my comic, I’m still interested in reading the Epilogues/Beyond Canon (even if I think the later part of this video felt a bit weird to me.) There are bits of this video that I like, so honestly, I’m just going to move on because discourse/arguing is stupid, and I wish you a good day.
Oh this is a lot. I'll address some of it: - June: I understand the new team says they want to still do June. As you saw later, at the time I wrote that bit, the new team wasn't a thing. It took me 1.5 years to make this video + the recap. I also think a promise to make something isn't the same as actually doing it. I hope they do it, but we'll see. - Kankri: I can't deny that Openbound had some reactionary tendencies, but I don't feel Hussie fully fell into the GamerGate rabbit hole. I felt there was some interesting stuff to dissect with Kankri's relationships with Karkat and Porrim and went for it. I don't feel though that Kankri's rants were meant to be an author self-insert though. - John: Super EyePatch Wolf is awesome; I was just pointing out that a man that's as knowledgeable as he, both in general and about Homestuck's sister fandom in particular, wasn't just not mentioning Homestuck accidentally. Given Homestuck's controversial reputation, it would make sense someone such as he might avoid it. I did actually get a chance to ask him after making that bit if he had heard of Homestuck, and his answer was that it came up in his Undertale research, but he felt too ill-informed on it to bring it up and that the video was too long already. - Fan Reputation: This is why I had to specify in the survey section "that I feel is more than what you'd expect in a typical fandom". Unfortunately I didn't survey other fandoms to be able to make that statement incontrovertible. - Stop After Act 5: It's not that they're necessarily all right-wingers, but I do think it is a fundamentally reactionary mindset to hate the new thing. I don't think the prevalence of "Act6/Epilogues/HS2 is bad" is actually representative of quality. - Kickstarter: I think the difference between a failed project and a scam is very important. Thank you for watching, and best of luck to you.
@@kylemarshiku Personally, with the June thing, I wish they just didn't tell us that they planned for Trans-Egbert until it actually happened because I'd rather be pleasantly surprised with trans rep than be in a limbo state of being uncertain if it will or won't happen. By soapbox, I didn't mean that Kankri was a Hussie self-insert. I meant that Hussie was using the character of Kankri (and, on a wider scale, Openbound) to soapbox about his dislike of SJWs at the time. Basically, every time Kankri goes on a long rant, it feels like Hussie's in the background whispering, "See, aren't SJWs annoying?" while I'm tired to a chair. Anyway, apologies if the above comment came off as too hostile. I have a habit of writing very long comments.
I love the question “what does homestuck mean to you” because people have such different responses. Amazing Video that finally treats homestuck like art/another piece of media unlike so many others that treats it as an inherently bad thing.
will update my thoughts when i actualy finish the video, i was (and recently getting back) a homestuck fan after the comic had pretty much finished, i was catching up through the lets-read series and read to the end on my own when those ended and barely engaged with the fandom outside of art so i had no idea what a lot of the common beliefs in/around the series were. i lost my understandign of the plot around midway through act 6 but i genuienly liked the series as w hole, thought it was cool and kinda blown away at how many people seemed to hate the comic mainly just due to length complexitiy or schenanigans and im really glad people are commin back around and seeing that its still a fun piece of art even after its time in the spotlight. i havent read anything past the epilogues because i heard it was "very bad" and didnt question it beyond that, but ive been commin back around to it and probably gonna give them a shot after seeing the turnaround of recent writing its had oh, and also homestuck made me gay too
near the end and wow this video accidently hit this comment square on the head huh? the whole "homestuck was good until X!" thing specifcially lol. definently not the direction i expected this to go the more meta-political side of the comic but damn this is incredibly well put together and a sorta reminder to the time/impact the comic had (speciifcally sutff like the usage of r slur and other similar stuff with real people. yeesh. i almost entirely forgot about that or didnt give it the time of day) also THANK YOU for actually talking about the game in connection to undertale i swear ive only seen like 2 other people mention that connection like, ever, its about as taboo as you described. nice video :33
(oh and also i was genuinely uninformed about ANY of the harrasment after the epilouges, damn. now ill definelty the sequal a try. i only heard it was bad and didnt exactly care enough to see it for myself at all because to me the story was finished)
To me, there's two kinds of complexity comments. There's "Woah man this is craaaaaaazy let's go!" and there's "This is nonsense garbage, what's even happening". They carry a different tone. And honestly, while Homestuck is undeniably complex, I feel it does a disservice to simply describe it as such, like it's nothing more than a big problem in Calculus class. There's pathos there. Based on the gay thing btw. And thank you for the comments! Made me happy. And yeah the fact no one talked about the harrassment was a big motivator for this video. I genuinely think people hating on HS2 have rose-tinted glasses for the flaws of the original.
The political spread of homestuck as it evolved is so interesting, I'm glad you went so in depth about it. I guess not necessarily like in depth in the political stuff, but like how different fans evolved. anyway, its interesting. Cool video. :)
I grew up with the undertale fandom, but I only read homestuck for the first time with zero spoilers last year. Definitely an experience that changes the way I'll consume any media going forward.
I look back fondly on homestuck, but i was never really in the fandom, i had one friend i talked to about it and that was it. Trying to go back to it i struggle to get past act 5, specifically the trolls. Though thats more due to why i went back. I wanted the rules of the session. And the start of act 5 is just recovering the rules so thats really a non issue. So yeah. Homestuck was what it was. This is a good look back, good wirk
Thanks! I feel you. The fandom can feel insular at times. I feel ever since the MSPA forums died, they kinda scattered. There's still a lot on Tumblr, but Tumblr is also a shadow of what it was.
Unfortunately I haven't played it, sorry. I hear it's good, but I spent the last year playing Baldur's Gate 3 >_< I did reference it later on in the video though!
She stuck on my home til i *[LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER]* But jokes aside, I found it to be a really insightful commentary on this great comic - revealed a lot of things that I'd never even considered (the anti-theist angle comes to mind, though there are others)
Thank you! Maybe it's me having an intersex partner, but it was a little frustrating to see people arguing whether she was cis, trans, or trans-coded when the term intersex was right there!
I think your takes around the use of the r word and the aracial stuff are a bit less valid considering that homestuck was made in 09 when progressive culture was a lot less prevalent in media and people just generally didn’t care as much. Obviously it wouldn’t be the same today but I would cut 2009 hussey some slack.
I didnt really want to get into a "product of their time" debate because honestly, while that context is definitely relevant, I dont ultimately think it changes the ethics. The classic example is that slavery was once the norm but we should remain steadfast in admonishing slavers of all eras.
Yes, that mostly self implied The issue happens when the "bad thing" becomes the whole center of the argument. I dont expect Julio Verne books to not be racist (they very much are, specially against indigenous "canibals"), yet i read them not because the racism. In síntesis: not dicard media in its entirety by the culture shift, or even idiology it bases on. Which is call "critical thinkin"
Yeah I agree with that. We should be critical in these evaluations. Fun fact: people often talk about HP Lovecraft's racism, but few know that he actually wrote about regretting his racism later in life. Unfortunately, his racism was preserved within his literature.
It like Hussie once said himself, “by the way, anyone reading this comic is extremely gay, including you. Did I forget to mention that? Seems like an over site on my part”
After watching most of this video, I have to agree on the point about the children, just make them young adults. It lets you play with MORE things without getting on the dangerous territory of doing shit that would be seen by almost anyone as weird and off-putting. If I were to make a story like homestuck, I'd use young adults (I might, I dunno if it'll ever see the light of day) because man, it would be far easier to tackle things I'd like to discuss.
@kylemarshiku that might be because of the fantasy of reliving the teenage years some young adults desperately cling to, for some reason. On another note, man there's a lot of stuff one could take from Homestuck, primarily the "power system" which is directly tied to the characters in a way that's rather peculiar, is like stand powers but relies less on the power set you're given due to your personality and more on how you use a power tailored for a psycholical profile like yours, two Princes of the Void could have vastly different ways they use their powers (example: One imitating Gojo's abilities from Jujutsu Kaisen vs a guy that spawns mini suns as projectiles).
Quite an interesting analysis! I’ve accumulated a few points of disagreement, but after giving it some thought, I realized there wouldn’t be much point in debating. First of all, this is the internet, and arguments here rarely lead anywhere. Secondly... the author and I are, in some sense, on different sides of the political spectrum. So, our perspectives on the comic are vastly different, and we likely wouldn’t find common ground. Also, he's American, which makes the discussion even more complicated (God, how I hate whoever decided to call white people "Caucasians"-it makes so little sense). That said, it doesn’t take away from the fact that the video is quite interesting. We need more detailed discussions about Homestuck, and perhaps I might consider analyzing Homestuck from a right-wing perspective. After all, I became a fan of Homestuck back when I was transitioning from more left-leaning views to more right-leaning ones. Maybe that would be a good idea.
@@kylemarshiku Yes, it's quite a rare occurrence, but I can say that there are more of them in Eastern Europe than one might think-at least, I personally know a few irl. However, most are, of course, left-leaning. Back in 2017-2019, I was quite closely involved with the Homestuck fandom in my hometown, but over time, I realized it was a rather toxic swamp. So now, I’m more of a "quiet" fan, although I still occasionally create content. By the way, the analysis of Caliborn/Calliope is excellent, although it always seemed to me that they’re not so much about anti-fan/fan, but rather about two different sides of the fandom-both loving the work, but for their own distinct reasons. And Caliborn feels more like that older, more "original" fan who thrived in the internet of the 2000s, while Calliope... She represents the younger generation of fans? At the very least, she definitely wouldn’t hang out on 4chan.
Homestuck is an amazing franchise that just is this big melting pot of so many amazing franchises. The art is just something many beginning artist can make fan art of but it gets really complex everything and anything in between it genuinely is a magic series that once your in the fandom and it speaks to you ur in it for life. Just the amount of theories and little clues the author left Andrew is like as omnipotent as John Kramer so many things where planned from the start without knowing it I actually was the main villain my 3 cosplays I did god tier gamzee, ARquiusprite and Caliborn I would carry around my lil cal doll too it feels like he could have grabbed a fan theory for that but at the same time nahhhh it was just to methodical to have been for a fan like me but still like I said it’s so fun to create characters for your friends and think up different trollsonas for them what they use to strife god tiers what planet they live on so many little complex interactions that happen throughout the series it is the ultimate here is a set of rules when u make your own session and have your own blank slate there’s so many assets and fun fanart and things to choose from that it really is one of the only fandoms I’d ever make fanart for purely for the love of the franchise. I give AH a pass if HS 2 isn’t that great I still have many good memories with the first book and think it is kinda up to fans to keep it alive and stoke the flame of what made it so wonderful!
@@kylemarshiku haha didn’t even realize yup I was here for the fallout content there was only 1 other franchise I would create a fan project for besides homestuck it would be fallout NV. Honestly you gotta give me the veteran discount it’s tough to make a open world game as big as fallout as a solo dev would u by any chance be down to discuss a mod idea I had in mind? I wouldn’t mind giving u money for hours u work either idk if it could see light of day without a fan or twos contribution as well!
I always defined honestuck as a "cool painted garbage can" It has super cool and interesting development, and it also has shit like "Candy mode" or characters doing verbal self masturbation for LITERAL hours. And lives Several characters on the sideline. Is unfortunate but the package comes all included.
I appreciate you watching but man I just cannot agree with some of these takes. Verbal self masturbation? That's the dialogue, the characterization, why I read it lol!
I actually really liked the ending and think it was very meaningful. As I say in the video, it symbolized the characters exiting the comic, being allowed to determine theirnown futures, while Caliborn instead rejects it, refusing to ever move on from the original comic.
@kylemarshiku it doesn't. Earth C is literally Caliborn's domain, and the cast is Doomed to fight him and die. The end of the comic shows fate as victorious over freedom; your version is a common misconception based on the idea that Andrew Hussie is a sane person who follows standard, positive morality, rather than an artistic "better to burn out" weirdo who hates immortality and the idea of a Happily Ever After, a theme which carries throughout all of his works.
@@somefella6989 ...Problem Sleuth has literally the exact same ending as Homestuck with the characters escaping the made up realm of the comic and finding freedom in the 'real' world.
@DopplesGryndthloggle they continue in action. They do not get to rest on their laurels. For such a free-flowing, unserious work (incidentally the best thing he ever did), this is a conclusion very much along the same lines.
Caliborn is raised on the remains of Earth C, long after any civilization has left it. If anything was "his domain" it'd be his session, or Lord English's "dominion" of Paradox Space before he was dethroned. Honestly I don't know of a way to convince you out of your nihilistic take.
I encourage you to watch the whole video, because one might say the statement "Homestuck WAS Good" is a statement in direct opposition to the thesis of this video.
homestuck made me gay
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homestuck made more gay than i already was... and i'm not sure how it works
Homestuck DIDNT make me gay, but it did make me question. So win win.
Homestuck made me trans
@@FunkMcLovin hi fungus mcmuffin
Homestuck is one of those things that I don’t think I’ll ever get away from. It always manages to come back with a vengeance. One that I’m always more than happy to accept. I’ve made ocs. Met friends. Had great times. I even owe it to helping me connect with my spouse who I’ve been with for many years now. To me it just has this way of connecting people. I owe it to my stepbrother for introducing this wild piece of media to me.
That's great! All stories must come to an end, but the truly great pieces of media will stick with you forever. Homestuck will always be a part of my life, even if I go 20 years without engaging in it.
as someone getting into homestuck now this video is actually such a good dissection of what i still love about homestuck now! its so emotional to me, even though i do think it drags and the epis arent for me-- im glad it makes me feel those things! im glad it has things i don't enjoy seeing in it! i was already aware that i was queer when i first read it, but it made me more in tune with that part of myself, it gave me words for things i was already feeling that i didnt quite have yet. ive met my best friends through homestuck fanworks and roleplays and talking about the characters. Its genuinely one of the most fun ive had in a fandom space in awhile.
this and your homestuck recap are what im sending to my boyfriend to try and get him onto the homestuck boat with me. thank you so much for making this. peace out :)
Thank you very much! Im glad Homestuck helped you reflect on yourself as it did for me, and hope your bf likes the videos!
Homestuck curbs my anxiety. So yah. Please enjoy Hussies work forever more.
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I already know this video is going to be like 4 hours... as a reader that jumped ship sometime during an act 6 hiatus, i'm so ready
2 and half lol but hope you enjoy!
i'm so glad there are more and more videos on homestuck's strengths as a media piece
for someone who got into it after hs finished and still found it fun and entertaining (it held me for two straight years an with my adhd it's telling lmao) it's validating
anyway i'm still on the intro so let's goooo
Thank you!
2:22 It aint even the Homestuck part of the video yet but it's always nice to hear people who are aware of how omnipresent biases are.
Thank you! Feels likes some people narrow the term bias to just mean "biases I don't agree with".
I do very much appreciate this video and all its contents, but one prevalent issue that, while probably minor to most, is very enraging to me - and one that occurs not only in this video but in the community as a whole, likely due to some mysterious lack of literary comprehension around it specifically while not occurring for many other characters - is the misinterpretation of Gamzee. It's a very heart felt thing to me as I love his character front to back, but nobody seems to understand him besides a handful of personalities I may stumble across. He wasn't a "toxic" lover for Terezi, nor did he become a religious zealot. He's a character plagued by a lack of agency in his life, and of which is a prevalent theme for his story.
He's a character who becomes self aware of The Joke surrounding him, and he hates the story because of it, and he makes the audience mad because he's informed that they're the ones keeping it going. Lord English, in the form of Cal, manipulates and breaks him down psychologically, likely to the point of mind control as shown later on which Jack. He's later manipulated by Aranea to attack Terezi despite directly showing in the brief moment he is fully aware, that he does not want to. He goes through a series of psychological breaks caused by his faltering mental state due to his addiction, subsequent withdrawals, religious mockery, and full-on shattering from Lil Cal.
He's a deeply tragic character that people just call a self absorbed psychopath without giving a second look despite the story telling an insanely different series of events.
i love how its just the felt and then dirk LMAOO
Dirk at the gay club like "Just leprechauns, again?!"
god i feel like such a nerd writing this but here goes, you got the negative half of the quandrants pretty wrong, no hate intended its confusing and weird by design but basically, your Kismesis is an exclusive relationship, which means if a troll were to start to have black feelings for another troll while engaged in an ongoing blackrom with someone else, it is the duty of an Auspistice to prevent this from happening, maintaining the pre-existing relationship and preventing cheating.
there is also a secondary application for Auspisticism. if not to prevent black cheating then to determine if an ongoing or growing blackrom is bad for the troll's social or romantic life, just like what was happening between Gamzee and Terezi, their blackrom was destroying Terezi's life and taking her down a dark spiral, even if she wasnt cheating on anybody, its still the duty of an Auspistice to end the engagement for the sake of the troll's health and other relationships
gay made me homestuck
What an amazingly lovely heartfelt video, great work. Honestly.
Aw thank you!
I dont know how much I "grew up" with homestuck, I was maybe 16 when I read it fully and I must have gotten in JUST as it was ending, because I remember when I finished the epilouges came out pretty soonafterwards, and it took me a hot minute to actually read.
Anyway, as someone who wasnt there for any of the pauses, post act 5 I enjoyed more, for everyone saying that it got worse, it didn't, it just got more convoluted and in my opinion, interesting.
Bias exists everywhere and people dont like change, but it DID make homestuck what it is today. and I for one am still enjoying beyond canon, and am hopeful for haveswap act 3, we are still getting tesers on occaision.
best hours long homestuck video essay released in the last 7 hours at least.
7 hours? Man I got some competition! Thanks for watching, and it's nice to hear someone going against the grain and repping Act 6.
As a latine myself, I disagree pretty hard with a lot you had to say on the Aracial section. It felt like a pretty antagonistic read on the concept and its intent (as much as I agree that its employment was pretty sloppy, as far as Hussie didn't have it in mind consciously until like Act 6), and in a few places it felt like it wrapped around to very generalizing, regressive takes on stereotypes and expected behavior and signifiers from members of a culture/racial identity in the guise of progressive critique :(
I thank you for not using latinx, but my friend, latin exists.
we are homestucking so hard right now
i am almost surprised by you not bringing up Equius during the first critique or Gamzee during the irony section but i suppose they are side jokeish characters
Equius because he engages in racial fetishism as a 13-year-old child I presume? Yeah I agree that that is *weird*, but I felt the comic acknowledged that, you know? He was meant to be off-putting, and personally I think he grows throughout Act 5 until his death, as identified by how he initially refused to roleplay with Nepeta but by the end, it's the last thing he ever does.
As for Gamzee, I don't think irony has that much to do with his character. I think the comic is textually very anti-Gamzee, and Gamzee defenders are fighting an uphill battle.
Homestuck in 2025? HELL YES
Just finished your recap. I can't wait!
As a trans man, I was so ecstatic when Roxy was revealed as a trans man. Roxy was one of my favorite characters and seeing him made me feel a little more comfortable with myself.
homestuck has been my nearly lifelong comfort series that i got into in 2010 when i was 10 and now as a(n almost) 25 year old it still brings me so much happiness and the warmth i've felt from the fandom is something most people brush past and i loved the way you highlighted that part. great video, homestuck videos always make me so nostalgic i love this series and community
I'd say don't be too worried that the HSBC are going for a 100% fan pleasing route. They did a reddit ama where they hard confirmed June Egbert and James Roach has said in multiple interviews that the story is already plotted out with no desire for fandom influence on major plot points (also if they wanted to please people they would have canned HS2 and started again given the controversial elements)
Trust me they’re definitely not trying to please the fans lmao
I think people are a lot more trusting of what creators say than I am. I've read a lot of what James has said, but I still think there's a heavy incentive to please the audience; it's just a matter of will they do it. This happens in many fandoms, like Bethesda glorifying the Brotherhood of Steel in Fallout to please military fanboys, but I feel the incentive with Homestuck at the moment to be strong.
I watched this when it first came out with my partner but I came back to comment about how awesome this video is:3
HYPE HYPE HYPE GOTTA SHARE THIS WITH MY HOMESTUCK FRIENDS
Please do! Thank you : D
Hey could we get epilepsy warnings? That bunny part in the intro was so flashy
Beautiful video, made me realize some stuff about it I hadn't thought about before
Thank you!
best movie that actually made me cry real tears. i got into homestuck right as the comics ended, I remember specifically hearing of the epilouges coming out that I had to *avoid at all costs* when tbh I was just reading this comic to impress a girl (before I knew I was a lesbian ironically)
it really is a media that you can't go in and not be a little changed coming out the other side, for better and for worse. seeing all the highs and lows of such a huge fandom's history is very bittersweet with how the internet has changed today. i don't think you could ever get such phenomimon to happen like this ever again, and that makes the comic really special to me
i find it so wonderful that there are still people interacting as fans, still doing cosplay and fanart, still loving their favourite series and characters when its not "popular" anymore. because that's genuine i think. and i hope the next generation can find those communities and safe spaces and finally have the words to express themselves, to be weird and find others who actually get them
i will forever be grateful to my best friend and moirail, the terezi to my dave, who made high school a not so lonely experience (and probably helped speed up a lot of redemption i needed with how shitty i was in middle school lmao)
I read homestuck after it already was finished. I wasn't here when epilogues *just* dropped, and I read them several years after. You can say when I was *here* with homestuck its only when HS^2 got resurrected and started to update again in October.
But!
But.
Its still a very, very important piece of media for me, that scratches my brain in a way nothing else does, and it means something important for me that i even can't put it into words. And epilogues and HSBC was as important as Homestuck for me, and I was pretty much sad when I had a high interest in them, only to be meet with criticism and "dont read epilogues, its shiiit"
So. first, thank you for this video, it made me happier and clearly made my day, and second, that's a small thing just from me, but gosh, thanks for talking about things in epilogues and further, I was so hungry for someone to actually TALK about it, tell something else that they're bullshit and crap. Thank you for this incredible work, ilu.
It's been many years since I've known about homestuck, but I've started the comic multiple times throughout the years and I've always had trouble to finish the prologue (which seems to go on and on and on forever lol). But your video resurrected my interest in it again, so I'll give it a honest attempt
You wouldn't be alone in thinking that the first few Acts are dry. Personally I find them to still be amusing and funny, but they are definitely a different KIND of funny (like, there's a lot of programmer humor).
You are based. Homestuck is a masterpiece. I loved your analysis. Thanks a lot.
Thank you very much!
Since finished the video from my first comment.
59:24 Alright, got to stop you right there as there was a Homestuck Beyond Canon Reddit Q&A when the comic was re-launched, and they straight up confirmed that June Egbert wasn’t just going to still happen, but it was always the plan even before the Toblerone incident. (Though they consider June’s transition a spoiler that Hussie spoiled in the Toblerone incident.) -And now that I’m nearing the end of the video, it’s clearer that this video’s been worked on for so long that it was recorded before Beyond Canon started up again.- And now that I’m watching the part of the video recorded after Beyond Canon returned, I’m pretty sure you don’t know of the Reddit AMA.
1:10:58 going to add that some folks read Porrim as being a “men’s rights activist” analog. (It’s discussed at the end of Jan Misali’s video.) I’m too tired to fact-check/look into it, though, but regardless of the intentions behind Kankri’s character, he just feels boring. I don’t think, “Wow, isn’t it bad when -SJWs- "woke scolds" use their progressiveness as a shield for their unprogressive aspects.” I feel like Andrew Hussie has tied me to a chair so he can soapbox to me about people he didn’t like in 2012.
(Especially as Kankri’s constant complaining about slurs makes it feel like Hussie is trying to be defensive of his overuse of the R world in the first half of the comic. Like it just feels like Hussie’s soapboxing to me about how he’s annoyed that people don’t like how he uses the R-word so often in the comic.)
1:56:17 Okay, the more I watch this video, the weirder it gets. Like, I’m an Undertale/Deltarune fan who recently became a Homestuck fan. *_I know_* fandoms often get un-deserved reputations. Harassment is bad, and from what I know of the harassment of HS^2’s team, that was also bad.
But it feels weird to argue that Eyepatch Wolf is either some closeted Homestuck fan or hater or whatever, *_just_* because he made a long video essay on Undertale. Like, did not everyone who's an Undertale fan know of Homestuck before playing the game? Idk. This just feels parasocial, and the latter half of this video just feels a bit terminally online.
For example, “Fans having an unjust reputation” isn’t a Homestuck thing; it’s a fandom thing. Maybe it’s worse due to Homestuck’s decline in popularity, but idk. There was a lot of hate for UT/DR fans back in the day.
And, it feels weird to associate those who say “Stop after Act 5” are all/mostly right-wingers. Some people just think quality-wise that the latter half of Homestuck isn’t as good as the first.
(And while I liked Act 6, I do admit that the comic peaked with Cascade and that Act 6 has the lowest point in Homestuck’s quality. (Openbound.) There’s a reason I like to call Homestuck the best and worst thing I’ve ever read because some parts of the comic are the most clever writing I’ve read, and others are Openbound (or as I like to call it, “Andrew Hussie’s soapbox.”) It’s quality is a roller-coaster.)
And I don’t think “Kickstarter incompetence” excuses failed Kickstarter just because they didn’t “intend” to scam people. Whether it’s a scam or just the well-intended people running a Kickstarter fucking up, the result’s the same. People losing their money with nothing in return.
And just to preference my comic, I’m still interested in reading the Epilogues/Beyond Canon (even if I think the later part of this video felt a bit weird to me.) There are bits of this video that I like, so honestly, I’m just going to move on because discourse/arguing is stupid, and I wish you a good day.
Oh this is a lot. I'll address some of it:
- June: I understand the new team says they want to still do June. As you saw later, at the time I wrote that bit, the new team wasn't a thing. It took me 1.5 years to make this video + the recap. I also think a promise to make something isn't the same as actually doing it. I hope they do it, but we'll see.
- Kankri: I can't deny that Openbound had some reactionary tendencies, but I don't feel Hussie fully fell into the GamerGate rabbit hole. I felt there was some interesting stuff to dissect with Kankri's relationships with Karkat and Porrim and went for it. I don't feel though that Kankri's rants were meant to be an author self-insert though.
- John: Super EyePatch Wolf is awesome; I was just pointing out that a man that's as knowledgeable as he, both in general and about Homestuck's sister fandom in particular, wasn't just not mentioning Homestuck accidentally. Given Homestuck's controversial reputation, it would make sense someone such as he might avoid it. I did actually get a chance to ask him after making that bit if he had heard of Homestuck, and his answer was that it came up in his Undertale research, but he felt too ill-informed on it to bring it up and that the video was too long already.
- Fan Reputation: This is why I had to specify in the survey section "that I feel is more than what you'd expect in a typical fandom". Unfortunately I didn't survey other fandoms to be able to make that statement incontrovertible.
- Stop After Act 5: It's not that they're necessarily all right-wingers, but I do think it is a fundamentally reactionary mindset to hate the new thing. I don't think the prevalence of "Act6/Epilogues/HS2 is bad" is actually representative of quality.
- Kickstarter: I think the difference between a failed project and a scam is very important.
Thank you for watching, and best of luck to you.
@@kylemarshiku Personally, with the June thing, I wish they just didn't tell us that they planned for Trans-Egbert until it actually happened because I'd rather be pleasantly surprised with trans rep than be in a limbo state of being uncertain if it will or won't happen.
By soapbox, I didn't mean that Kankri was a Hussie self-insert. I meant that Hussie was using the character of Kankri (and, on a wider scale, Openbound) to soapbox about his dislike of SJWs at the time. Basically, every time Kankri goes on a long rant, it feels like Hussie's in the background whispering, "See, aren't SJWs annoying?" while I'm tired to a chair.
Anyway, apologies if the above comment came off as too hostile. I have a habit of writing very long comments.
I love the question “what does homestuck mean to you” because people have such different responses. Amazing Video that finally treats homestuck like art/another piece of media unlike so many others that treats it as an inherently bad thing.
Thank you, thats very kind : )
will update my thoughts when i actualy finish the video, i was (and recently getting back) a homestuck fan after the comic had pretty much finished, i was catching up through the lets-read series and read to the end on my own when those ended and barely engaged with the fandom outside of art so i had no idea what a lot of the common beliefs in/around the series were. i lost my understandign of the plot around midway through act 6 but i genuienly liked the series as w hole, thought it was cool and kinda blown away at how many people seemed to hate the comic mainly just due to length complexitiy or schenanigans and im really glad people are commin back around and seeing that its still a fun piece of art even after its time in the spotlight. i havent read anything past the epilogues because i heard it was "very bad" and didnt question it beyond that, but ive been commin back around to it and probably gonna give them a shot after seeing the turnaround of recent writing its had
oh, and also homestuck made me gay too
near the end and wow this video accidently hit this comment square on the head huh? the whole "homestuck was good until X!" thing specifcially lol. definently not the direction i expected this to go the more meta-political side of the comic but damn this is incredibly well put together and a sorta reminder to the time/impact the comic had (speciifcally sutff like the usage of r slur and other similar stuff with real people. yeesh. i almost entirely forgot about that or didnt give it the time of day) also THANK YOU for actually talking about the game in connection to undertale i swear ive only seen like 2 other people mention that connection like, ever, its about as taboo as you described. nice video :33
(oh and also i was genuinely uninformed about ANY of the harrasment after the epilouges, damn. now ill definelty the sequal a try. i only heard it was bad and didnt exactly care enough to see it for myself at all because to me the story was finished)
To me, there's two kinds of complexity comments. There's "Woah man this is craaaaaaazy let's go!" and there's "This is nonsense garbage, what's even happening". They carry a different tone. And honestly, while Homestuck is undeniably complex, I feel it does a disservice to simply describe it as such, like it's nothing more than a big problem in Calculus class. There's pathos there.
Based on the gay thing btw. And thank you for the comments! Made me happy. And yeah the fact no one talked about the harrassment was a big motivator for this video. I genuinely think people hating on HS2 have rose-tinted glasses for the flaws of the original.
got home from school and was WAITING for this to drop lets fucking go
Thank you!
The political spread of homestuck as it evolved is so interesting, I'm glad you went so in depth about it.
I guess not necessarily like in depth in the political stuff, but like how different fans evolved.
anyway, its interesting. Cool video. :)
Thank you! Well I did have a politics section, but it was more taken as a whole
I grew up with the undertale fandom, but I only read homestuck for the first time with zero spoilers last year. Definitely an experience that changes the way I'll consume any media going forward.
Seeing the Undertale fandom develop was like watching a sister grow up. So many distinguishing characreristics and yet they rhymed. Welcome!
I look back fondly on homestuck, but i was never really in the fandom, i had one friend i talked to about it and that was it. Trying to go back to it i struggle to get past act 5, specifically the trolls.
Though thats more due to why i went back. I wanted the rules of the session. And the start of act 5 is just recovering the rules so thats really a non issue.
So yeah. Homestuck was what it was. This is a good look back, good wirk
Thanks! I feel you. The fandom can feel insular at times. I feel ever since the MSPA forums died, they kinda scattered. There's still a lot on Tumblr, but Tumblr is also a shadow of what it was.
my mom claimed Homestuck gave me a personality disorder once
12:40 - as a Jewish myself, I ngl - that's hilarious (if a very, *VERY* bold choice).
Me, making little cards for every Homestuck character, realizing I am going to have to make one for Hitler: ...
whats the song used at the end? the lyrical one?
Four Kids (and a Game They Played Together) by Robert J! Lake. It's from the Beyond Canon album, and it is amazing.
Well time to add a another good homestuck video to the playlist
Would love to hear your thoughts on the one Hussie work you didn't talk about: Psycholonials
Unfortunately I haven't played it, sorry. I hear it's good, but I spent the last year playing Baldur's Gate 3 >_<
I did reference it later on in the video though!
@@kylemarshikusorry, I sent this msg before finishing. I'm actually 2/3rd the way through
She stuck on my home til i *[LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER]*
But jokes aside, I found it to be a really insightful commentary on this great comic - revealed a lot of things that I'd never even considered (the anti-theist angle comes to mind, though there are others)
Thank you! I figured the anti theism bit might be a hard sell, but it is something I felt I could make an argument for and was worth including.
FINALLY SOMEONE BRINGS UP THE RUBY NAME WAS HORRBLY REPLACED
YESSS can't wait!!!
I really like your take on epilogue jade. She literally just intersex fr
Thank you! Maybe it's me having an intersex partner, but it was a little frustrating to see people arguing whether she was cis, trans, or trans-coded when the term intersex was right there!
>Update drops as I’m watching this
WTF
They said they'd return in February; I thought I had more time! ;_;
2:21:59 Or maybe there's no such thing as an "end" to homestuck.
I think your takes around the use of the r word and the aracial stuff are a bit less valid considering that homestuck was made in 09 when progressive culture was a lot less prevalent in media and people just generally didn’t care as much. Obviously it wouldn’t be the same today but I would cut 2009 hussey some slack.
I didnt really want to get into a "product of their time" debate because honestly, while that context is definitely relevant, I dont ultimately think it changes the ethics. The classic example is that slavery was once the norm but we should remain steadfast in admonishing slavers of all eras.
Yes, that mostly self implied
The issue happens when the "bad thing" becomes the whole center of the argument.
I dont expect Julio Verne books to not be racist (they very much are, specially against indigenous "canibals"), yet i read them not because the racism.
In síntesis: not dicard media in its entirety by the culture shift, or even idiology it bases on.
Which is call "critical thinkin"
Yeah I agree with that. We should be critical in these evaluations. Fun fact: people often talk about HP Lovecraft's racism, but few know that he actually wrote about regretting his racism later in life. Unfortunately, his racism was preserved within his literature.
It like Hussie once said himself, “by the way, anyone reading this comic is extremely gay, including you. Did I forget to mention that? Seems like an over site on my part”
Lol I must've missed that one. Too late now!
Commenting to stay on stucktube
Thanks!
After watching most of this video, I have to agree on the point about the children, just make them young adults. It lets you play with MORE things without getting on the dangerous territory of doing shit that would be seen by almost anyone as weird and off-putting.
If I were to make a story like homestuck, I'd use young adults (I might, I dunno if it'll ever see the light of day) because man, it would be far easier to tackle things I'd like to discuss.
Absolutely! It's kinda way YA novels are so popular! (though in my opinion they still lean on the teen side of things)
@kylemarshiku that might be because of the fantasy of reliving the teenage years some young adults desperately cling to, for some reason.
On another note, man there's a lot of stuff one could take from Homestuck, primarily the "power system" which is directly tied to the characters in a way that's rather peculiar, is like stand powers but relies less on the power set you're given due to your personality and more on how you use a power tailored for a psycholical profile like yours, two Princes of the Void could have vastly different ways they use their powers (example: One imitating Gojo's abilities from Jujutsu Kaisen vs a guy that spawns mini suns as projectiles).
so hyped! homestuck
Thank you! I'm really trying to get this video noticed, so feel free to share it with any friends you think might be interested : )
Quite an interesting analysis! I’ve accumulated a few points of disagreement, but after giving it some thought, I realized there wouldn’t be much point in debating. First of all, this is the internet, and arguments here rarely lead anywhere. Secondly... the author and I are, in some sense, on different sides of the political spectrum. So, our perspectives on the comic are vastly different, and we likely wouldn’t find common ground.
Also, he's American, which makes the discussion even more complicated (God, how I hate whoever decided to call white people "Caucasians"-it makes so little sense).
That said, it doesn’t take away from the fact that the video is quite interesting. We need more detailed discussions about Homestuck, and perhaps I might consider analyzing Homestuck from a right-wing perspective. After all, I became a fan of Homestuck back when I was transitioning from more left-leaning views to more right-leaning ones.
Maybe that would be a good idea.
A right wing Homestuck fan? Huh, didnt think Id see the day. But that being said, thank you for watching and thank you for the comment.
@@kylemarshiku Yes, it's quite a rare occurrence, but I can say that there are more of them in Eastern Europe than one might think-at least, I personally know a few irl. However, most are, of course, left-leaning.
Back in 2017-2019, I was quite closely involved with the Homestuck fandom in my hometown, but over time, I realized it was a rather toxic swamp. So now, I’m more of a "quiet" fan, although I still occasionally create content.
By the way, the analysis of Caliborn/Calliope is excellent, although it always seemed to me that they’re not so much about anti-fan/fan, but rather about two different sides of the fandom-both loving the work, but for their own distinct reasons. And Caliborn feels more like that older, more "original" fan who thrived in the internet of the 2000s, while Calliope... She represents the younger generation of fans? At the very least, she definitely wouldn’t hang out on 4chan.
21:17 im jumping off a cliff. Later, guys. /j
Homestuck is an amazing franchise that just is this big melting pot of so many amazing franchises. The art is just something many beginning artist can make fan art of but it gets really complex everything and anything in between it genuinely is a magic series that once your in the fandom and it speaks to you ur in it for life. Just the amount of theories and little clues the author left Andrew is like as omnipotent as John Kramer so many things where planned from the start without knowing it I actually was the main villain my 3 cosplays I did god tier gamzee, ARquiusprite and Caliborn I would carry around my lil cal doll too it feels like he could have grabbed a fan theory for that but at the same time nahhhh it was just to methodical to have been for a fan like me but still like I said it’s so fun to create characters for your friends and think up different trollsonas for them what they use to strife god tiers what planet they live on so many little complex interactions that happen throughout the series it is the ultimate here is a set of rules when u make your own session and have your own blank slate there’s so many assets and fun fanart and things to choose from that it really is one of the only fandoms I’d ever make fanart for purely for the love of the franchise. I give AH a pass if HS 2 isn’t that great I still have many good memories with the first book and think it is kinda up to fans to keep it alive and stoke the flame of what made it so wonderful!
I got into programming cuz of Tim Caine but Andrew was a big inspiration too I am becoming a software engineer
Thanks for watching! Glad you liked it! Btw, RUclips says you've been subscribed for TEN YEARS?! Thanks for sticking around!!!
@@kylemarshiku haha didn’t even realize yup I was here for the fallout content there was only 1 other franchise I would create a fan project for besides homestuck it would be fallout NV. Honestly you gotta give me the veteran discount it’s tough to make a open world game as big as fallout as a solo dev would u by any chance be down to discuss a mod idea I had in mind? I wouldn’t mind giving u money for hours u work either idk if it could see light of day without a fan or twos contribution as well!
Hamsteak Salad
Someone had to say it
homestuck made me trans
Based
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I always defined honestuck as a "cool painted garbage can"
It has super cool and interesting development, and it also has shit like "Candy mode" or characters doing verbal self masturbation for LITERAL hours.
And lives Several characters on the sideline.
Is unfortunate but the package comes all included.
Ps: i have read homestuck 2.5 times completly
Then watch/listen to other do 2.5 more times
Still will recomend it. The begining is very slow tho
I appreciate you watching but man I just cannot agree with some of these takes. Verbal self masturbation? That's the dialogue, the characterization, why I read it lol!
You thanks up psiioniic like/loved/gay Signless and Disciple (no lore paradox space l'm loved)
John has always been an egg
Came from tumblr :3
Welcome!
It had a lot of good stuff, but it didn't stick the landing, and has basically been garbage since the last sentence of HS1.
I actually really liked the ending and think it was very meaningful. As I say in the video, it symbolized the characters exiting the comic, being allowed to determine theirnown futures, while Caliborn instead rejects it, refusing to ever move on from the original comic.
@kylemarshiku it doesn't. Earth C is literally Caliborn's domain, and the cast is Doomed to fight him and die. The end of the comic shows fate as victorious over freedom; your version is a common misconception based on the idea that Andrew Hussie is a sane person who follows standard, positive morality, rather than an artistic "better to burn out" weirdo who hates immortality and the idea of a Happily Ever After, a theme which carries throughout all of his works.
@@somefella6989 ...Problem Sleuth has literally the exact same ending as Homestuck with the characters escaping the made up realm of the comic and finding freedom in the 'real' world.
@DopplesGryndthloggle they continue in action. They do not get to rest on their laurels. For such a free-flowing, unserious work (incidentally the best thing he ever did), this is a conclusion very much along the same lines.
Caliborn is raised on the remains of Earth C, long after any civilization has left it. If anything was "his domain" it'd be his session, or Lord English's "dominion" of Paradox Space before he was dethroned. Honestly I don't know of a way to convince you out of your nihilistic take.
ah yes
homestuck is good but only when cascade stops does the comic get bad
Homestuck WAS good. But then got very silly at the end, and whatever the fuck HS2 or the continuation is.
I encourage you to watch the whole video, because one might say the statement "Homestuck WAS Good" is a statement in direct opposition to the thesis of this video.
Fell off after act 5 (maybe 4)
This was ass
sorry my spell save dc is only 13
@@kylemarshikuit's not even the material that's the issue. You just seem like a giant tool. Maybe this isn't your thing man
but I'm proficient with artisan's tools
@@kylemarshiku aww doesn't like being called a tool ig. Maybe a personality change is in order?
@@kylemarshiku😂 Had be laughing too hard