Hello, former Minecraft Wiki admin here. Just wanted to give a shout out to a community manager, Wynthyst, who did push back on the tide of advertising until her untimely death in May of 2014. She was an absolute inspiration to me, and taught me much about effective moderation. She held most of the adverts at bay during her time in liaison with the higher-ups, and without her, the situation would've been far more bleak, far quicker. She deserves some mention for her role in trying to push back against the corporate greed. I ensured her memorial page was preserved on the new wiki. Thank you for the video, it was very good to see all that happened since I drifted away from the wiki. :)
Tragic yet wholesome story there friend. Good on you for persevering this vital info in a YT comment, and also archiving the page dedicated to this individual for all the hard work she did before her demise.
@@LilCatSillyTheSillyOne she really was. Died a day before my birthday, and we found out the next day, was a rough birthday that year. She always fought for the community though. A real inspiration.
This is a really great deep dive into one of the most important parts of the Minecraft community, it's been a joke since forever that crafting without the wiki would be impossible - I'm glad you did the saga justice!
Thankfully, the recipe book has finally been available since 1.12 (2017), and a year later with 1.13 for furnace recipes. I wonder when it will finally be available for potions? We are still dependent on the wiki for those.
Fandom has repeatedly tried to include AI "quick answers" on articles against what the wiki admins actually want, and they're so bad. On the Zelda wiki, the page for Zelda herself claimed that she was in a romantic relationship with Ganondorf, and that Link was trying to steal her away from her real boyfriend. The AI literally confused someone's fanfiction with a reliable source. On the Fate wiki, it said that protagonist Shirou Emiya was in a polyamorous relationship with one character who exists, two who don't (it just made up names for some reason?), and had two children that don't exist, one of whom was named "Junior Emiya".
@@capsey_ The funny thing is, AI doesn't know either! It just knows that having a parent name following or preceding 'junior" is a viable name for a kid!
fandom forcing their wiki to stay up no matter what after a fork feels so predatory. like do you REALLY need to keep mooching off people who dont know that badly???
The Official Minecraft Wiki merged with fandom but left with fandom because Fandom has become a worse experience with So Many Ads & asking if you are an Adult or a Minor.
Someone made a video about how there are massive migration from Fandom (I forgot what title was it). One of the most prominent example of that is when the Pizza Tower Wiki decided to move away from Fandom due to heavy vandalisms. But out of nowhere a Fandom representative came in and said that they can't just forked the Fandom one because 'more people need to see the Fandom wiki' or something. Idk why but it sounds like they're threatening them if they move away from Fandom, but PT Wiki keep migrating away and choose Miraheze as the new place for them.
I’m not surprised private equity is involved. Private equity is killing EVERYTHING. The internet is slowly turning into a worse version of cable TV, as you can’t not use the internet in the same way you don’t have to pay for cable.
I'm pretty sure the reason the fandom website asks if you're an adult or kid is to be COPPA compliant. It's illegal in America to collect personal information from children without their parent's permission, so many sites that collect personal information will ask if you're an adult, and if you aren't, they'll mark you as a child with a cookie, stop collecting personal information, and disable site features that could allow you to disclose personal information, such as leaving anonymous comments. The pop up doesn't say any of that, though, because telling users that their site experience may change depending on their choice goes against COPPA, since children might lie about their age if they knew that information.
I heard that it was about ads, where they could show you different ads based on your age group. I did notice that when I clicked that I was an adult it showed me ads for health care, and when I clicked kid it showed ads for action figures.
They collect personal information to target specific ads at you, which they're not allowed to do to children without their parent's permission. However, many websites aimed at kids will play children's ads by default, essentially allowing them to target children with specific ads without collecting their information. This is how RUclips Kids works, and why comments are disabled on all RUclips Kids videos. It's the easiest way to target ads at children without breaking COPPA compliance.
Man coppa implementation in general is a bit ass tbh, especially with RUclips it being applied to the video and not the session is such a glaring loophole I'm surprised was missed by regulators. Tbh do wish coppa was simply enforced universally cause we basically live in a dystopia for the sake of ads, Internet is basically unusable without adblock , even RUclips.
As a wiki editor, thank you for choosing the wiki as topic for your video. Wiki communities are quite fascinating communities of nerds who really want to just make something for the greater fan community selflessly, and we often pour plenty of time and effort into this. It's cool to see once in a blue moon something about the wikis we create ^^
I remember for a while Fandom forced these videos to the top of some pages on the Slime Rancher wiki that were just flat out incorrect or nonsensical and they couldn't be removed
@@mystic-malevolence That one convinced the Hollow Knight community to leave that dump. TBH, Warframe is one of the few wikis that are still stuck to Fandom, and I'd gladly support any initiative to leave.
@@mystic-malevolenceAnd some quiz that has A I who answered incorrectly, that they have to removed it for now. It means they can re-implement it someday.
And as a long time player, I'd like to thank *you* for fighting fandom. It genuinely made me play a little less because I just didn't enjoy the experience of figuring anything out.
If you want to talk about the game’s reliance on the wiki, I suggest you check out About_Oliver’s playthrough of the game: He manages to figure out how to beat the game, use redstone, and obtain level 30 enchantments (harder than it sounds), all without any outside help. Just using what he learns from playing the game.
"use redstone" Is a work in progress let's put it that way. His biggest, unsolved challenge was figuring out potions, which there is absolute no tips or instructions on the game. Aside from the witch's drop pool and nether wart having no use outside of that.
That's kind of how I played the game on my 360 in 2012 because I wasn't allowed to browse the internet freely as a kid. Potions were hard to figure out, and I never cared about redstone so I didn't bother with it.
PiroPito has a similar series, where he figured everything on his own. It was utterly surreal to see him brute force knowledge, especially given how determined he is; that man can push through mind numbing tasks like nothing. Good stuff. I'll check About_Oliver out later!
Thank you for this recommendation! I love blind playthroughs, but people experiencing games that require you to look stuff up truly blind are sadly exceedingly rare. I only know of two other creators who have gone down this path. One is CarlPlaying42, who did multiple blind playthroughs on games like minecraft, the binding of Isaac, and terraria. I discovered his channel about two months ago. And I've heard of a korean streamer playing minecraft with no outside help, figuring how to build a wither through the painting, and blowing up his whole base. If anyone knows any others, I'd appreciate you sharing!
As an admin/designer of a MUCH smaller wiki compared to the Minecraft one, I can relate a lot to the path of chaos of jumping between different wiki farms, and the stress that comes with each one. Starting on Wikia, moving to Gamepedia, forced back into FANDOM, and now independently hosted. Wikia/FANDOM was and is extremely unpleasant to be hosted in, forcing every wiki to look the same "so that users know they are on our website", the immense amount of unnecessary ad/white space even with an adblock, the (previously, now fixed) extremely outdated Mediawiki version with self-maintained extensions that prevented users from using the newer and improved versions, and a myriad of other things (one personal story including FANDOM Staff removing me from admin from a wiki after someone that vandalized it reported me as I kept undoing their changes). I'm glad that more options for hosting a wiki exist nowadays, and that more of them are at the very least more trustworthy than FANDOM.
Such a shame these entities were allowed to grow into what they are today. Predatory advertisement sites that abuse the need for knowledge, abuse voluntary work, and just makes an extremely unpleasant end user experience. Just to squeeze out every penny. I'm glad to see more and more wikis striking out on their own now, Fandom et.al. reaping what they sowed.
@@AiraDelasse Closer to say we are a bunch of wikis that wanted to go independent, being hosted by members of said wikis. "Indie Wiki Federation", if you wanna look it up. Myself am part of the 100% Orange Juice wiki team.
I am very biased because this video is about the wiki, and I’m an admin of said wiki, but this is a really great video. Thank you for making it, and thank you for letting me help!
an all encompassing video of this scale covering the entire story of both the minecraft wiki and why fandom is so upsetting is so crazy to make this good! fandom genuinely is SO bad that adding another video to the growing list of those made against them is (IMO) a noble cause 🙏 also shoutout any wiki that has left fandom. we will fight the good fight!
The hispanic Pokémon community almost didn't have the same luck. WikiDex was hosted on wikia→fandom and fandom does as fandom does and ruins everything they touch. Them forcing the oasis skin was even more insulting since WikiDex ran a heavily customized version of uhh monobook(?) and all that work was thrown in the garbage unless you had an account and specified you wanted to use that skin. Luckily, WikiDex migrated as well, and its admin wrote down the whole story on the new site; if you can read Spanish, it's a fascinating read that paints a pretty vivid picture of how heavy handed and downright draconian fandom is, sending power-tripping 10 year olds with admin privileges to do their bidding over the actual community wishes, and I wish more of the populous English speaking side knew of it because WikiDex's fights with fandom have been one of the most sour out there. Bulbapedia itself has an article on WikiDex summarizing those events and how fandom staff mistreated WikiDex's admins, prompting the whole community to pack their bags and leave
i mean, bulbapedia has its own issues. mostly page loading times and using screen space both inefficiently and ineffectively. but that is mostly an issue of trying to cram information from a billion different pieces of pokemon media into one single place. they have always been good at not using your screen as free real estate for deceptive and malicious ads, which sadly is something that earns a gold star in 2025.
Also a correction that Tropical Fish mobs are more than JUST quantity mobs, they added every fish item as a mob in 1.13 so excluding Tropical Fishes from being added would just be a missed opportunity to actually make Warm Oceans unique. Also they're currently the only way to breed/fight with Axolotls.
Your video & editing style is phenomenal as always, using Minecraft istelf as your presentation medium... The Bill Wurtz joke at 12:39 caught me so off guard lmao, excellent stuff. Super interesting look at the history of MC wikis! The new non-Fandom one is such a breath of fresh air 💚
Fandom is where communities go to die. Very few good wikis(The only two I can remember are Ben 10 and Fire Emblem Heroes) on there. It is unironically more sane to just make your wiki locally on PC, waiting until you can afford a server. If you get to the point of being fairly sure that will never happen, try to find someone else who is a fan can who afford it and send them the data.
I am not sure why Metal Gear Wiki don't even have any idea to migrate their wiki to somewhere else, despite from all the problems Fandom has. I can't even scrolling through everything without the ad blocker on.
Fire Emblem community moved off Fandom in the past year or two as well iirc, bc the Fandom stuff for the mainline games is infuriatingly bad even outside the advertisements. I don't really play FEH, so I'm not in a position to comment on how they handle Heroes vs the Fandom, but for mainline FE stuff both Fireemblemwiki and other sources like Serene's Forest are incredible.
i love the "human" camera angles and movement that makes it feel like you're actually in a real life set just recording yourself even though its entirely in minecraft
One of the wiki moderators is somewhat known in a German Twitch community, so seeing the journey it took to achieve the ad-less wiki was a great way to understand the corporate problems they have to deal with and support them at the same time. Great video!
@@WoLfThUmP Actually using alternatives like anri or breezewiki that basically load fandom wikis without adds or trackers is the best option when there isn't a true non-fandom alternative. Since by using those services you still aren't benefiting fandom and at the same time you ass to the load in their servers, literally costing them money. Edit: The Indie Wiki Buddy can even make this automatically. I've been using them for months since the loading and unloading of ads in fandom wikis made them jittery and liteary unusable for me.
S-tier video! I love the storytelling and I feel like I’m watching a whole documentary. This has honestly inspired me to go back on my channel which I’ve been doing a CGP Grey on since last summer
8:23 There are 36 jelly beans in that jar. Source: The base of the jar is 9 blocks and we can see that the jar has three layers on top of the base. Thus, 9 x 4 = 36.
@@bucket6079 okay FINE. Presume an inequality that corresponds to the amount of jellybean blocks not visible to the camera. This is more than you'd think, since the back half of the jar is never shown. The variable here is the number of jellybeans per layer; we can see that there must be 4 layers. The smallest possible amount of jellybeans is 5, the largest 9, thus there are 20-36 jellybeans in the jar. Not every number is equally accurate though, 20 (all jellybeans shown), 32 (entire middle is hollow), 34 (only the center middle is hollow), 36 (entirely full) are more likely to be the true number than the others in the range. You happy, internet?
I saw the whole Wiki Fork go down, not live and reading discussions, but I did watch Phoenix' videos about it and read through some News posts that the MC Wiki put up. This video was **so** incredibly well done, the whole "Exit - White Void" skit, continually filling up with more and more bookshelves, as the Wiki gains more and more pages and articles, absolutely hooked. You earned a new subscriber with me :D
I appreciate the little bit mentioning the redirect-to-non-Fandom program -- I would've sweared I saw one that actually, genuinely made its way into Chrome prior to watching this video, that also happened to be open source, but I forgot which one was then.
To this day, I'm glad that my fan base of choice-Cosmere-has always had an independent wiki. The Coppermind is one of the best fan-wiki's I've ever used and even has a built-in time machine for you to browse with to avoid spoilers of any new installment. The Arcanum side of the site also manages an entire database of announcements and creator commentary to supplement textual evidence. I remember using the original minecraft wiki, and it's a relief they're free again.
I've been pretty interested in wikis all my life and its so nice to see well made videos about fandom and its problems. i was super excited when mossbag and phoenix sc made their videos about migrating and yours has the best history rundown ive seen. super well made video. god bless indie wiki buddy also 26:12 new zealand mentioned
This is such a good deep dive! I never kept up with all the wiki drama, I just heard that wikia or fandom versions were the worse version of the games wikis that I was playing like runescape. It really puts the full circle together when I realized the old wikis were bought out by big names like daddy Bezos, and later Wikia.
Got this randomly recommended and one of the best minecraft videos ive seen this year! Love the editing and the background scene, how it changes and your jokes are real good. I am real impressed! Keep it up!
Here before this blows up, this has been one of the most professional minecraft videos I've ever seen. Fascinating content, excellent delivery, great editing, every single reference felt like a personal call-out... you've earned both a subscriber and a recommendation to everyone I know. Keep up the great work, and happy holidays!
For those who are too young to know, Fandom started out as Wikia, a for-profit version of Wikipedia where people could make their own wikis. It was terrible back in the late 2000s, it's still terrible now. At least, back in the 2000s you could have a wiki deleted, unlike now where Fandom does everything in its power to prevent a wiki from being deleted. They want your traffic to their terrible wikis instead of the new self-hosted versions.
I wrote it before I watched the video, that might be why. I assumed the video wouldn't touch on the fact that Wikia became Fandom, or even mention Wikia at all.
As someone who's been avoiding fandom like the plague for as long as I've used game wikis, it's great seeing someone pull more attention to this. It's always infuriating to me when I look for info on something and the only thing that pops up is a fandom wiki. I truly hope that fandom's practices lead more and more wikis to leave and make their business model entirely unprofitable in the end. What I find especially sad is looking at wikis that I think will be stuck on fandom indefinitely. One such example I've been using a lot lately is the eberron (the dnd setting) wiki, which simply has so much content and so few contributors that I see the chance of them migrating to a different host as slim to null. I thank the gods for indie wiki buddy's function to automatically redirect to a breezewiki fork on this one. In essence, fandom bad. Video gud. Subbed.
This was a much more comprehensive video than I thought it would be! Thank you so much for making an actually comprehensive video on the topic. Most videos only cover the fact that the wiki moved recently, so this was a pleasant surprise! Almost like... a New Year gift
2:58 Another detail worth mentioning here is that back in the day, almost nothing in the game had official names. Not mobs, not blocks. So wiki writers just had to come up with names for things in the game! Oh, those were the days of ducks, reeds, cuprite and Red Mossy Cobblestone. The latter is especially noteworthy, as it was the only official name available at the time: that's how Notch himself was describing netherrack initially.
I thought the Nether materials were originally called Netherstone and Lightstone on the wiki? I actually thought Netherrack was a typo of "Netherrock" originally. In fact, I still do, I just think it's a typo they rolled with similar to how the Creeper got created. Pretty sure Reeds was official though, before sugar got added and it got renamed.
@@CiromBreeze "Netherstone" was the first proper official name, however i don't think that "rack" wasn't intentional since Ghast always had its name and it has a similar "o > a" twist thing in it. I don't know a lot about Lightstone but the first common term for it was "Australium" that was coined by a PC Gamer journalist as a joke. Also yeah, i was kinda wrong with "Reeds" lol, it was the first official name as mentioned by Notch that was later confirmed in-game. A lot of people were actually calling it "bamboo" and it was the name of the page for Sugar Cane for some time.
@MishaGold Oh, I definitely remember bamboo, especially as the classic song 'In Search of Diamonds' references it (and that song is *old,* even having an old wool block bed so it was definitely late alpha/early beta times, might have even been when SMP had just released.
this was the most unexpected 30 minute experience about wikis, corporate greed and minecraft i was absolutly hooked and the editing was so creative, i lose my mind everytime the dvd logo was about to hit the corner, nice video
All I can say is, great video.🤩 I already know a lot of the story as I am currently a board member of Block & Quill Ltd. and an admin of another language (German). The video is still very informative for me and can only help the new wiki to compete against fandom.
9:35 If fighting is sure to result in victory, then you must fight! Sun Tzu said that, and I'd say he knows a little more about fighting than you do, pal, because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no living man could best him in the ring of honor! Then he used his fight money to buy two of every animal on Earth, and then he herded them onto a boat, and then he beat the crap out of every single one! And from that day forward, any time a bunch of animals are together in one place, it's called a zoo! ... Unless its a farm.
This video was fun to watch and had an interesting deep historical lore vibe to it and I liked the character actually looking like they are talking and speaking to me rather than a random disembodied voice. I would love to see more videos with this kind of vibe.
My phone was off to the side playing this and then died EXACTLY after the "What were we talking about? oh rightright right" line around 16:07 I thought the silence was like a bit for a second great video, fabulous humor! glad there's a lot more!
I'm glad that this video has appeared on my homepage honestly, because I really wanted to get more knowledge about the Minecraft Wiki but the wiki itself didn't tell me much in-depth information but your video actually expanded my view on the situations the wiki had been in, thank you for that. You have great editing actually that's really relevant to the type of video, great pacing, jokes, and I honestly enjoyed watching throughout the whole video. Thank you
very fun how this went from Notch being happy that people made a wiki for his game, to corporations slutting out for ad revenue and cease and desist emails from Microsoft
One of the best researched and best presented videos I've seen in a very long while. I've been keeping up with this whole history and I thought I knew a lot, but I learned so many new things from this.
i'm a wiki editor for (an admittedly much smaller game), dredge, and despite the constant updates, as well as our wiki being officially endorsed by the developers themselves, the basically abandoned fandom wiki is still the top result on most searches other than the ones that they just don't have. it really is a shame the damage corporations have done to fan wikis
Awesome video. The script is informative and clear but not slow, and your personality and humour mixed in throughout are wonderful. Your voice is nice, you speak clearly, and the presentation of the video is very charming. Terrific work!
This is video is super well made!! Reminds me of this game called Beastieball that has a smaller fanbase but still setup a non-fandom based wiki, really hoping more wikis do this in the future and eventually render fandom irrelevant.
hiii first time here, just wanted to compliment 2 things about your video I liked: the little minecraft sound effects (like the footsteps and door opening) were cute. and THE LITTLE CAMERA AND CAMERA MAN AT THE END? I punched the air that shit was so cute.
RUclips recommended this video to me I've been away from Minecraft for ten years. I had no idea! Thanks so much for this! And thanks for just being, your own self! Does my heart good to see real community and a sibling! I'm subbing. Happy New Year
Your video was absolutely stunning! The mix of humour with little bites of information and proof that something can be done against these massive corporations worked really well. Hats off to you! Also, referencing sources properly is something I rarely see nowadays, and it should be more common, especially for videos like these. Huge respect!
This was a SUPER interesting video to watch. As someone who has always been fascinated by how wikis work (yet never doing the research myself..) + grew up using the minecraft wiki, this was really informative! Just wanted to mention how the editing and pacing is phenomenal, genuinely. Great job and may the passion for making these videos last long for you. Happy new year!
Hello, former Minecraft Wiki admin here.
Just wanted to give a shout out to a community manager, Wynthyst, who did push back on the tide of advertising until her untimely death in May of 2014.
She was an absolute inspiration to me, and taught me much about effective moderation. She held most of the adverts at bay during her time in liaison with the higher-ups, and without her, the situation would've been far more bleak, far quicker. She deserves some mention for her role in trying to push back against the corporate greed.
I ensured her memorial page was preserved on the new wiki. Thank you for the video, it was very good to see all that happened since I drifted away from the wiki. :)
Tragic yet wholesome story there friend. Good on you for persevering this vital info in a YT comment, and also archiving the page dedicated to this individual for all the hard work she did before her demise.
Where is her memorial page on the new wiki? I would love to read thru it
I just found it! It was lovely and brought an tear to my eye. She sounded like a lovely person
@@LilCatSillyTheSillyOne she really was. Died a day before my birthday, and we found out the next day, was a rough birthday that year. She always fought for the community though. A real inspiration.
@@LilCatSillyTheSillyOne I'm not sure I can find it. Is it on a specific game's wiki page?
Fandom is UNUSABLE without at least an Adblocker and an anti-tracker
yh they no doubt sell 100% of possible analytics
Any website does, except they try to prevent adblock instead of improving their features. :(
as someone who uses firefox, fandom will legit lag the hell outta of your pc
fandom feels more like a social media for underage kids rather than a wiki platform
even then, it's ugly
This is a really great deep dive into one of the most important parts of the Minecraft community, it's been a joke since forever that crafting without the wiki would be impossible - I'm glad you did the saga justice!
I agree, it's a great video.
@@toycat Wow! Toycat is here.
Goly gee its mr ToyCat on a small youtube channel
Not to mention the cookie consent screen... Every option is toggled, and you have to untoggle hundreds of them. It's easy to bypass it though.
Thankfully, the recipe book has finally been available since 1.12 (2017), and a year later with 1.13 for furnace recipes.
I wonder when it will finally be available for potions? We are still dependent on the wiki for those.
Fandom has repeatedly tried to include AI "quick answers" on articles against what the wiki admins actually want, and they're so bad. On the Zelda wiki, the page for Zelda herself claimed that she was in a romantic relationship with Ganondorf, and that Link was trying to steal her away from her real boyfriend. The AI literally confused someone's fanfiction with a reliable source. On the Fate wiki, it said that protagonist Shirou Emiya was in a polyamorous relationship with one character who exists, two who don't (it just made up names for some reason?), and had two children that don't exist, one of whom was named "Junior Emiya".
Didn't they remove it because of backlash?
🔥✍Junior Emiya
Well maybe Shirou asked ChatGPT for a name for a child and they went with "Junior", we wouldn't know but AI does
Junior Emyia sounds fire tho XD it must confuse the UBW dnding ot smth
@@capsey_ The funny thing is, AI doesn't know either! It just knows that having a parent name following or preceding 'junior" is a viable name for a kid!
fandom forcing their wiki to stay up no matter what after a fork feels so predatory. like do you REALLY need to keep mooching off people who dont know that badly???
more people that think that that's the real wiki means more ads they can shove in people's faces
It's pain because fandom usually has better seo and prioritization than the forks
The Official Minecraft Wiki merged with fandom but left with fandom because Fandom has become a worse experience with So Many Ads & asking if you are an Adult or a Minor.
Someone made a video about how there are massive migration from Fandom (I forgot what title was it).
One of the most prominent example of that is when the Pizza Tower Wiki decided to move away from Fandom due to heavy vandalisms. But out of nowhere a Fandom representative came in and said that they can't just forked the Fandom one because 'more people need to see the Fandom wiki' or something.
Idk why but it sounds like they're threatening them if they move away from Fandom, but PT Wiki keep migrating away and choose Miraheze as the new place for them.
@CrystalWings12 jfc
I’m not surprised private equity is involved. Private equity is killing EVERYTHING. The internet is slowly turning into a worse version of cable TV, as you can’t not use the internet in the same way you don’t have to pay for cable.
@@matthewmspace they’re known for killing news sites.
I'm pretty sure the reason the fandom website asks if you're an adult or kid is to be COPPA compliant. It's illegal in America to collect personal information from children without their parent's permission, so many sites that collect personal information will ask if you're an adult, and if you aren't, they'll mark you as a child with a cookie, stop collecting personal information, and disable site features that could allow you to disclose personal information, such as leaving anonymous comments. The pop up doesn't say any of that, though, because telling users that their site experience may change depending on their choice goes against COPPA, since children might lie about their age if they knew that information.
I heard that it was about ads, where they could show you different ads based on your age group. I did notice that when I clicked that I was an adult it showed me ads for health care, and when I clicked kid it showed ads for action figures.
They collect personal information to target specific ads at you, which they're not allowed to do to children without their parent's permission. However, many websites aimed at kids will play children's ads by default, essentially allowing them to target children with specific ads without collecting their information. This is how RUclips Kids works, and why comments are disabled on all RUclips Kids videos. It's the easiest way to target ads at children without breaking COPPA compliance.
what im more confused by is why alex yiik is the adult option
@@accelleratiiincredibus446YT Kids is already that shitty with those terrible content farm (especially Elsagate, they are the absolute worst)
Man coppa implementation in general is a bit ass tbh, especially with RUclips it being applied to the video and not the session is such a glaring loophole I'm surprised was missed by regulators.
Tbh do wish coppa was simply enforced universally cause we basically live in a dystopia for the sake of ads, Internet is basically unusable without adblock , even RUclips.
As a wiki editor, thank you for choosing the wiki as topic for your video. Wiki communities are quite fascinating communities of nerds who really want to just make something for the greater fan community selflessly, and we often pour plenty of time and effort into this. It's cool to see once in a blue moon something about the wikis we create ^^
Thank you for everything you do!
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fandom ≠ the official mc wiki anymore
We, at the rest of the playerbase, are very thankful to you people!
It got so bad for terraria (specifically calamity) that they made a mod full of the completely made up bosses and items
Wait seriously? What was it?
@@Selsato it's called clamity.
My favorite underground pre-hardmode boss, Monstro from The Binding of Isaac
@warlordish is it updated to 1.4?
Based. Reminds me of when (I think it was) Destiny 2 players made up a raid boss to spot and fool AI content farms
lets be honnest: the internet is unusable without an adblocker and it has been for many many years
2 unskipabble adds per video, including 20 seconds one
Would anyone recommend mobile Adblock?
If I wanted that many adds I would just watch television
@@itsmenatika Use Brave my friend
@@itsmenatika What about the 20 minute ones they’re allowing again? It’s worse than TV.
I remember for a while Fandom forced these videos to the top of some pages on the Slime Rancher wiki that were just flat out incorrect or nonsensical and they couldn't be removed
I'm an editor on the Terraria wiki, and we got autoplaying videos that literally had mods installed and clearly visible 💀
At some point recently they tried out AI generated article summaries which were... quite inaccurate.
@@mystic-malevolence That one convinced the Hollow Knight community to leave that dump. TBH, Warframe is one of the few wikis that are still stuck to Fandom, and I'd gladly support any initiative to leave.
IIRC, that's what happened with the OSRS wiki as well.
@@mystic-malevolenceAnd some quiz that has A I who answered incorrectly, that they have to removed it for now. It means they can re-implement it someday.
Anybody else remember that one guy who was at the bottom of nearly every wiki page with his own video explaining the mob/item/block.
was he you
Mcspotlights?
loved their videos back in the day
Yeah, he was peak.
@@silverstar6428 Same!
As a Minecraft Wiki editor, I would like to thank you for making a video about how we took a stand against Fandom's greed. Happy New Year!
And as a long time player, I'd like to thank *you* for fighting fandom. It genuinely made me play a little less because I just didn't enjoy the experience of figuring anything out.
It makes me so happy when games I need the wiki for (like Terraria or Stardew) make the switch from that horrible website
If you want to talk about the game’s reliance on the wiki, I suggest you check out About_Oliver’s playthrough of the game: He manages to figure out how to beat the game, use redstone, and obtain level 30 enchantments (harder than it sounds), all without any outside help. Just using what he learns from playing the game.
"use redstone"
Is a work in progress let's put it that way.
His biggest, unsolved challenge was figuring out potions, which there is absolute no tips or instructions on the game. Aside from the witch's drop pool and nether wart having no use outside of that.
That's kind of how I played the game on my 360 in 2012 because I wasn't allowed to browse the internet freely as a kid. Potions were hard to figure out, and I never cared about redstone so I didn't bother with it.
PiroPito has a similar series, where he figured everything on his own. It was utterly surreal to see him brute force knowledge, especially given how determined he is; that man can push through mind numbing tasks like nothing. Good stuff.
I'll check About_Oliver out later!
Thank you for this recommendation! I love blind playthroughs, but people experiencing games that require you to look stuff up truly blind are sadly exceedingly rare. I only know of two other creators who have gone down this path.
One is CarlPlaying42, who did multiple blind playthroughs on games like minecraft, the binding of Isaac, and terraria. I discovered his channel about two months ago. And I've heard of a korean streamer playing minecraft with no outside help, figuring how to build a wither through the painting, and blowing up his whole base. If anyone knows any others, I'd appreciate you sharing!
Can this abou_oliver guy do a Terraria playthrough? I really need someone to teach my dum friends that you don't need the wiki to play the game
As an admin/designer of a MUCH smaller wiki compared to the Minecraft one, I can relate a lot to the path of chaos of jumping between different wiki farms, and the stress that comes with each one. Starting on Wikia, moving to Gamepedia, forced back into FANDOM, and now independently hosted.
Wikia/FANDOM was and is extremely unpleasant to be hosted in, forcing every wiki to look the same "so that users know they are on our website", the immense amount of unnecessary ad/white space even with an adblock, the (previously, now fixed) extremely outdated Mediawiki version with self-maintained extensions that prevented users from using the newer and improved versions, and a myriad of other things (one personal story including FANDOM Staff removing me from admin from a wiki after someone that vandalized it reported me as I kept undoing their changes).
I'm glad that more options for hosting a wiki exist nowadays, and that more of them are at the very least more trustworthy than FANDOM.
Which wiki are you part of? Aside from Minecraft, I only ever knew of RuneScape that managed to go independent
Such a shame these entities were allowed to grow into what they are today. Predatory advertisement sites that abuse the need for knowledge, abuse voluntary work, and just makes an extremely unpleasant end user experience. Just to squeeze out every penny.
I'm glad to see more and more wikis striking out on their own now, Fandom et.al. reaping what they sowed.
@@AiraDelasse Closer to say we are a bunch of wikis that wanted to go independent, being hosted by members of said wikis. "Indie Wiki Federation", if you wanna look it up. Myself am part of the 100% Orange Juice wiki team.
I am very biased because this video is about the wiki, and I’m an admin of said wiki, but this is a really great video. Thank you for making it, and thank you for letting me help!
ty for you work btw
Its not your fault a big company spams ads, thank you for your contributions!
Well well well...
Thank you and everyone involved so much for your efforts!!
bros the riddler
an all encompassing video of this scale covering the entire story of both the minecraft wiki and why fandom is so upsetting is so crazy to make this good! fandom genuinely is SO bad that adding another video to the growing list of those made against them is (IMO) a noble cause 🙏
also shoutout any wiki that has left fandom. we will fight the good fight!
also also shoutout TreeIsLife for posting this in the MCDF wiki and showing it to me :D
I’m glad Pokémon has always had a well run wiki full of information, bulbapedia
(barring the fact it's run by a "urine batter")
The hispanic Pokémon community almost didn't have the same luck. WikiDex was hosted on wikia→fandom and fandom does as fandom does and ruins everything they touch. Them forcing the oasis skin was even more insulting since WikiDex ran a heavily customized version of uhh monobook(?) and all that work was thrown in the garbage unless you had an account and specified you wanted to use that skin.
Luckily, WikiDex migrated as well, and its admin wrote down the whole story on the new site; if you can read Spanish, it's a fascinating read that paints a pretty vivid picture of how heavy handed and downright draconian fandom is, sending power-tripping 10 year olds with admin privileges to do their bidding over the actual community wishes, and I wish more of the populous English speaking side knew of it because WikiDex's fights with fandom have been one of the most sour out there.
Bulbapedia itself has an article on WikiDex summarizing those events and how fandom staff mistreated WikiDex's admins, prompting the whole community to pack their bags and leave
@@nicocchi I am cruious. Why use wikidex when you could have used bulbapedia all along?
i mean, bulbapedia has its own issues. mostly page loading times and using screen space both inefficiently and ineffectively. but that is mostly an issue of trying to cram information from a billion different pieces of pokemon media into one single place. they have always been good at not using your screen as free real estate for deceptive and malicious ads, which sadly is something that earns a gold star in 2025.
One small correction at 11:33, the parrot was added to the game in 2017 and the tropical fish mob was added to the game in 2018
^ said like a Minecraft Wiki peruser
Yeah just wanted to say that. Maybe they confused the tropical fish item with the mob
@@boas_ The item has been around for a decade tho so that can't be it
Also a correction that Tropical Fish mobs are more than JUST quantity mobs, they added every fish item as a mob in 1.13 so excluding Tropical Fishes from being added would just be a missed opportunity to actually make Warm Oceans unique.
Also they're currently the only way to breed/fight with Axolotls.
@@user-tzzglsstle585e38Yeah I'd say that period of bad updates stopped with 1.13
Thanks for lending me your credit card! My blahaj now has a wife blahaj and three little blahaj - es (they grew up very quickly)
Congrats on the blahaj family!!
I didnt watch the video yet, but the promis of a plushy shark from Ikea excites me!
THANK YOU FOR SHOWING OFF INDIE WIKI BUDDY!
I didn't know it existed before and it already makes finding transitioning wikis to much easier.
Jokes on you my friend my way of learning red stone was through the reading of the official Minecraft pocket books. 0:15
I SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT OF THAT! man that would’ve been funny
yeah I feel like people forget about those books. I collected the full set when I was younger :P
fandom, now aware of the books, proceeded to grab a crayon ominously
Your video & editing style is phenomenal as always, using Minecraft istelf as your presentation medium... The Bill Wurtz joke at 12:39 caught me so off guard lmao, excellent stuff. Super interesting look at the history of MC wikis! The new non-Fandom one is such a breath of fresh air 💚
0:35 it's probably so they don't illegally harvest kids' data, which would mean they're data harvesting
Clearly the correct answer is to click the kid option then regardless
@@MuzikBikeyes!
Nah, if you click the “kid” option it’ll advertise things kids are more suspectible to, like fake mobile game ads.
@SpaghettiThePingasIt does both
the wikia plot twist was unmatched, i am not even kidding top 10 in most unexpected plot twists
The writing for humanity's corporate evil arc is great, old plot points always get addressed eventually
@@NicoleColenico fr, DIMM4 scriptwriter of the year frfr
Total obvious plot twist
@@chaosenforcerdhm969 dk, didn't expect it
i was there when it happened, crazy shit fr
You say fuck and dont beep it out. This alone shows me that you are down to what you speak. Good stuff as always.
i'm sorry but calling that section "FANDOM TAX" is genius
also nice _sm3dw_ music (i would have miraheze as world flower because world flower's music is my favourite even tho it's not sequential)
Fandom is where communities go to die. Very few good wikis(The only two I can remember are Ben 10 and Fire Emblem Heroes) on there. It is unironically more sane to just make your wiki locally on PC, waiting until you can afford a server. If you get to the point of being fairly sure that will never happen, try to find someone else who is a fan can who afford it and send them the data.
I am not sure why Metal Gear Wiki don't even have any idea to migrate their wiki to somewhere else, despite from all the problems Fandom has. I can't even scrolling through everything without the ad blocker on.
Warframe Wiki's pretty good too, from what I remember.
Sometimes Fandom just close that wiki that they don't like, for example case with Polandball Wiki.
Fire Emblem community moved off Fandom in the past year or two as well iirc, bc the Fandom stuff for the mainline games is infuriatingly bad even outside the advertisements. I don't really play FEH, so I'm not in a position to comment on how they handle Heroes vs the Fandom, but for mainline FE stuff both Fireemblemwiki and other sources like Serene's Forest are incredible.
Well, not Five Nights at Freddy's or any other indie product for that matter.
I remember a period of I think a few months where every image on the wiki got replaced with a donkey and the admins did nothing about it lol
i love the "human" camera angles and movement that makes it feel like you're actually in a real life set just recording yourself even though its entirely in minecraft
One of the wiki moderators is somewhat known in a German Twitch community, so seeing the journey it took to achieve the ad-less wiki was a great way to understand the corporate problems they have to deal with and support them at the same time. Great video!
OMG how have i never heard of your channel before!!!! i LOVE your sense of humor!
Fun Fact: if you put Anri in front of fandom on any fandom website, you get a no ad version of the page.
fun fact no one cares stop using fandom
@@WoLfThUmP fun fact not every wiki out there has a non-fandom alternative
@@WoLfThUmP Actually using alternatives like anri or breezewiki that basically load fandom wikis without adds or trackers is the best option when there isn't a true non-fandom alternative. Since by using those services you still aren't benefiting fandom and at the same time you ass to the load in their servers, literally costing them money.
Edit: The Indie Wiki Buddy can even make this automatically. I've been using them for months since the loading and unloading of ads in fandom wikis made them jittery and liteary unusable for me.
I think you meant: If you write "anti" behind of "fandom" (so it becomes "antifandom") on any Fandom website, you get an ad-free version of the page.
@@WoLfThUmPyo. Be nice.
S-tier video! I love the storytelling and I feel like I’m watching a whole documentary. This has honestly inspired me to go back on my channel which I’ve been doing a CGP Grey on since last summer
8:23 There are 36 jelly beans in that jar.
Source: The base of the jar is 9 blocks and we can see that the jar has three layers on top of the base. Thus, 9 x 4 = 36.
what if its hollow
@@bucket6079they're jelly beans... That... Wouldn't make sense
@jgtb0pl Keep in mind, this is Minecraft, you know, the game known to have floating sky islands in its terrain generation?
@@JamesTDG actually... good point
@@bucket6079 okay FINE. Presume an inequality that corresponds to the amount of jellybean blocks not visible to the camera. This is more than you'd think, since the back half of the jar is never shown. The variable here is the number of jellybeans per layer; we can see that there must be 4 layers. The smallest possible amount of jellybeans is 5, the largest 9, thus there are 20-36 jellybeans in the jar. Not every number is equally accurate though, 20 (all jellybeans shown), 32 (entire middle is hollow), 34 (only the center middle is hollow), 36 (entirely full) are more likely to be the true number than the others in the range.
You happy, internet?
I'm glad the people at the Minecraft Wiki are fighting the good fight trying to make the internet not s**t. Thank you for your service.
I saw the whole Wiki Fork go down, not live and reading discussions, but I did watch Phoenix' videos about it and read through some News posts that the MC Wiki put up.
This video was **so** incredibly well done, the whole "Exit - White Void" skit, continually filling up with more and more bookshelves, as the Wiki gains more and more pages and articles, absolutely hooked.
You earned a new subscriber with me :D
22:51 minceraft
😂😂😂. Had to do a double take because I was like something didn't look right
I appreciate the little bit mentioning the redirect-to-non-Fandom program -- I would've sweared I saw one that actually, genuinely made its way into Chrome prior to watching this video, that also happened to be open source, but I forgot which one was then.
8:46 lmao youre honestly underrated for how good your videos are
9:36 that's a clever way to reference meet the soldier
When I have fandom open, even in another tab, my whole pc starts to lag. It’s so volatile lol
To this day, I'm glad that my fan base of choice-Cosmere-has always had an independent wiki. The Coppermind is one of the best fan-wiki's I've ever used and even has a built-in time machine for you to browse with to avoid spoilers of any new installment. The Arcanum side of the site also manages an entire database of announcements and creator commentary to supplement textual evidence.
I remember using the original minecraft wiki, and it's a relief they're free again.
I've been pretty interested in wikis all my life and its so nice to see well made videos about fandom and its problems. i was super excited when mossbag and phoenix sc made their videos about migrating and yours has the best history rundown ive seen. super well made video. god bless indie wiki buddy
also 26:12 new zealand mentioned
12:49 Love that bill wurtz History of Japan reference
bill wurtz is so goated
That, and the Black Mirror joke at the beginning
lol i got that too there are so many references this video is so funny
This is the most engaged I’ve been in a video for a WHILE
This is such a good deep dive!
I never kept up with all the wiki drama, I just heard that wikia or fandom versions were the worse version of the games wikis that I was playing like runescape.
It really puts the full circle together when I realized the old wikis were bought out by big names like daddy Bezos, and later Wikia.
9:37 wait a moment… this seems like a quote i know from that one game notch played in the past that he got a exclusive cosmetic in
Got this randomly recommended and one of the best minecraft videos ive seen this year!
Love the editing and the background scene, how it changes and your jokes are real good.
I am real impressed! Keep it up!
The quality of the video vas honestly mindblowing, I expected your channel to have over 100k subs. You 100% earned a new subscriber
30:24 im crying its actual minecraft politics
Just searched up minecraft wiki and fandom is no longer the first option to show up.
This is extremely well made!
Your jokes land you’re interesting, and you’re able to explain things well. Keep up the good work!
Here before this blows up, this has been one of the most professional minecraft videos I've ever seen. Fascinating content, excellent delivery, great editing, every single reference felt like a personal call-out... you've earned both a subscriber and a recommendation to everyone I know.
Keep up the great work, and happy holidays!
For those who are too young to know, Fandom started out as Wikia, a for-profit version of Wikipedia where people could make their own wikis. It was terrible back in the late 2000s, it's still terrible now. At least, back in the 2000s you could have a wiki deleted, unlike now where Fandom does everything in its power to prevent a wiki from being deleted. They want your traffic to their terrible wikis instead of the new self-hosted versions.
This is just reiterating the video.
I wrote it before I watched the video, that might be why. I assumed the video wouldn't touch on the fact that Wikia became Fandom, or even mention Wikia at all.
As someone who's been avoiding fandom like the plague for as long as I've used game wikis, it's great seeing someone pull more attention to this. It's always infuriating to me when I look for info on something and the only thing that pops up is a fandom wiki. I truly hope that fandom's practices lead more and more wikis to leave and make their business model entirely unprofitable in the end.
What I find especially sad is looking at wikis that I think will be stuck on fandom indefinitely. One such example I've been using a lot lately is the eberron (the dnd setting) wiki, which simply has so much content and so few contributors that I see the chance of them migrating to a different host as slim to null. I thank the gods for indie wiki buddy's function to automatically redirect to a breezewiki fork on this one.
In essence, fandom bad. Video gud. Subbed.
This was a much more comprehensive video than I thought it would be! Thank you so much for making an actually comprehensive video on the topic. Most videos only cover the fact that the wiki moved recently, so this was a pleasant surprise! Almost like... a New Year gift
The minecraft wiki has been moved to a new site with way less ads but people still use the old one cuz it appears first on google.
2:58
Another detail worth mentioning here is that back in the day, almost nothing in the game had official names. Not mobs, not blocks. So wiki writers just had to come up with names for things in the game! Oh, those were the days of ducks, reeds, cuprite and Red Mossy Cobblestone. The latter is especially noteworthy, as it was the only official name available at the time: that's how Notch himself was describing netherrack initially.
I remember Adminium
I thought the Nether materials were originally called Netherstone and Lightstone on the wiki? I actually thought Netherrack was a typo of "Netherrock" originally. In fact, I still do, I just think it's a typo they rolled with similar to how the Creeper got created.
Pretty sure Reeds was official though, before sugar got added and it got renamed.
@@CiromBreeze "Netherstone" was the first proper official name, however i don't think that "rack" wasn't intentional since Ghast always had its name and it has a similar "o > a" twist thing in it. I don't know a lot about Lightstone but the first common term for it was "Australium" that was coined by a PC Gamer journalist as a joke.
Also yeah, i was kinda wrong with "Reeds" lol, it was the first official name as mentioned by Notch that was later confirmed in-game. A lot of people were actually calling it "bamboo" and it was the name of the page for Sugar Cane for some time.
@MishaGold Oh, I definitely remember bamboo, especially as the classic song 'In Search of Diamonds' references it (and that song is *old,* even having an old wool block bed so it was definitely late alpha/early beta times, might have even been when SMP had just released.
9:35 - anyone else heard the "Meet the Soldier" reference? (just swapping places by the farm and zoo)
22:12 I did not understand a single word you said
this was the most unexpected 30 minute experience about wikis, corporate greed and minecraft i was absolutly hooked and the editing was so creative, i lose my mind everytime the dvd logo was about to hit the corner, nice video
Thanks I really needed your credit card number for reference.
I love the background changing as the video goes on! Great job!
78 cited sources on a video about the Minecraft wiki? Was this video made by Evil James Sommerton? appreciate it bbg
the "history of the entire world i guess" reference at 12:40 was priceless
Wth your video are so much high quality, you deserve more subscribers! Keep it up!
All I can say is, great video.🤩 I already know a lot of the story as I am currently a board member of Block & Quill Ltd. and an admin of another language (German). The video is still very informative for me and can only help the new wiki to compete against fandom.
I like the "LEMMINO" style of citations being in the bottom left
i still remember when he actively covered rage comics as Top10Meme
9:35
If fighting is sure to result in victory, then you must fight! Sun Tzu said that, and I'd say he knows a little more about fighting than you do, pal, because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no living man could best him in the ring of honor! Then he used his fight money to buy two of every animal on Earth, and then he herded them onto a boat, and then he beat the crap out of every single one! And from that day forward, any time a bunch of animals are together in one place, it's called a zoo! ... Unless its a farm.
ok, imma fight
damn, random crit!
This video was fun to watch and had an interesting deep historical lore vibe to it and I liked the character actually looking like they are talking and speaking to me rather than a random disembodied voice.
I would love to see more videos with this kind of vibe.
Great to see someone citing sources. Really fits in with the production quality of the video
My phone was off to the side playing this and then died EXACTLY after the "What were we talking about? oh rightright right" line around 16:07
I thought the silence was like a bit for a second
great video, fabulous humor! glad there's a lot more!
I'm glad that this video has appeared on my homepage honestly, because I really wanted to get more knowledge about the Minecraft Wiki but the wiki itself didn't tell me much in-depth information but your video actually expanded my view on the situations the wiki had been in, thank you for that. You have great editing actually that's really relevant to the type of video, great pacing, jokes, and I honestly enjoyed watching throughout the whole video. Thank you
using fandom is like eating pocket lint and using crack as protein powder
jeez, i go to the sources to check it out and i get bombarded with a wall of text telling me why my parents left me
very fun how this went from Notch being happy that people made a wiki for his game, to corporations slutting out for ad revenue and cease and desist emails from Microsoft
22:40 I didn't understand the words, but I understood what you said
One of the best well researched, well edited and funny videos I’ve seen. GOOD WORK.
dude great editing detail adding different mc versions of gameplay in the background, also zoo/farm tf2 joke
One of the best researched and best presented videos I've seen in a very long while. I've been keeping up with this whole history and I thought I knew a lot, but I learned so many new things from this.
You turned a topic I wouldn’t think twice about into watching the full video. Incredible writing, editing, sets(?), and humor. Subbing for more
i'm a wiki editor for (an admittedly much smaller game), dredge, and despite the constant updates, as well as our wiki being officially endorsed by the developers themselves, the basically abandoned fandom wiki is still the top result on most searches other than the ones that they just don't have. it really is a shame the damage corporations have done to fan wikis
What's the address of your wiki?
@@TheDragonDAFan98 i've tried to respond to this comment three times to seemingly no success, but it's wikigg
Awesome video. The script is informative and clear but not slow, and your personality and humour mixed in throughout are wonderful. Your voice is nice, you speak clearly, and the presentation of the video is very charming. Terrific work!
1:17 "Maybe this is just a fan wiki" yeah duh, all wikis are fan wikis unless the creator made it 😂😂
Dude I cannot express how ridiculously amazing this video was.
This is video is super well made!! Reminds me of this game called Beastieball that has a smaller fanbase but still setup a non-fandom based wiki, really hoping more wikis do this in the future and eventually render fandom irrelevant.
Great video, keep being a great teacher
hiii first time here, just wanted to compliment 2 things about your video I liked: the little minecraft sound effects (like the footsteps and door opening) were cute. and THE LITTLE CAMERA AND CAMERA MAN AT THE END? I punched the air that shit was so cute.
RUclips recommended this video to me
I've been away from Minecraft for ten years.
I had no idea!
Thanks so much for this!
And thanks for just being, your own self!
Does my heart good to see real community and a sibling!
I'm subbing.
Happy New Year
I'm loaded on medication right now, and I had to rewatch that gen alpha slang rant on McDonald's four times to understand everything.
Your video style is really nice, I've been completely entertained theoughout the whole video! Keep it up :)
32:18 music is Winter(The Wind Can Be Still) by Concerned Ape (music fron Stardew Valley)
Now I understand it. Great video!
18:12 MF DOOM REFRENCE??!?!??!?!?!?111!?!??
Such empty fridge, there's only ~
Your video was absolutely stunning! The mix of humour with little bites of information and proof that something can be done against these massive corporations worked really well. Hats off to you!
Also, referencing sources properly is something I rarely see nowadays, and it should be more common, especially for videos like these. Huge respect!
Thank you Dimm4
This was a SUPER interesting video to watch. As someone who has always been fascinated by how wikis work (yet never doing the research myself..) + grew up using the minecraft wiki, this was really informative! Just wanted to mention how the editing and pacing is phenomenal, genuinely. Great job and may the passion for making these videos last long for you. Happy new year!
thank you so much for the indie wiki recommendation
22:26 my brain is now rotten, thanks!😁