The Minecraft Wiki vs Corporate Greed

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  • Опубликовано: 1 янв 2025

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  • @kizzycocoa
    @kizzycocoa 2 дня назад +3877

    Hello, former Minecraft Wiki admin here.
    Just wanted to give a shout out to a community manager, Wynthyst, who did push back on the tide of advertising until her untimely death in May of 2014.
    She was an absolute inspiration to me, and taught me much about effective moderation. She held most of the adverts at bay during her time in liaison with the higher-ups, and without her, the situation would've been far more bleak, far quicker. She deserves some mention for her role in trying to push back against the corporate greed.
    I ensured her memorial page was preserved on the new wiki. Thank you for the video, it was very good to see all that happened since I drifted away from the wiki. :)

    • @havingfunwithelijah214
      @havingfunwithelijah214 2 дня назад +192

      Tragic yet wholesome story there friend. Good on you for persevering this vital info in a YT comment, and also archiving the page dedicated to this individual for all the hard work she did before her demise.

    • @LilCatSillyTheSillyOne
      @LilCatSillyTheSillyOne 2 дня назад +41

      Where is her memorial page on the new wiki? I would love to read thru it

    • @LilCatSillyTheSillyOne
      @LilCatSillyTheSillyOne 2 дня назад +40

      I just found it! It was lovely and brought an tear to my eye. She sounded like a lovely person

    • @kizzycocoa
      @kizzycocoa День назад +70

      @@LilCatSillyTheSillyOne she really was. Died a day before my birthday, and we found out the next day, was a rough birthday that year. She always fought for the community though. A real inspiration.

    • @witherschat
      @witherschat День назад +3

      ​@@LilCatSillyTheSillyOne I'm not sure I can find it. Is it on a specific game's wiki page?

  • @SKsuprakirby
    @SKsuprakirby 3 дня назад +4245

    Fandom is UNUSABLE without at least an Adblocker and an anti-tracker

    • @simonwillover4175
      @simonwillover4175 3 дня назад +124

      yh they no doubt sell 100% of possible analytics

    • @PlayerNinjaGaming
      @PlayerNinjaGaming 3 дня назад +71

      Any website does, except they try to prevent adblock instead of improving their features. :(

    • @spookyweebo3496
      @spookyweebo3496 3 дня назад +111

      as someone who uses firefox, fandom will legit lag the hell outta of your pc

    • @atsizbalik
      @atsizbalik 3 дня назад

      fandom feels more like a social media for underage kids rather than a wiki platform

    • @SuperM789
      @SuperM789 3 дня назад +8

      even then, it's ugly

  • @toycat
    @toycat 2 дня назад +1389

    This is a really great deep dive into one of the most important parts of the Minecraft community, it's been a joke since forever that crafting without the wiki would be impossible - I'm glad you did the saga justice!

    • @Tran3x72
      @Tran3x72 2 дня назад +6

      I agree, it's a great video.

    • @havingfunwithelijah214
      @havingfunwithelijah214 2 дня назад +7

      @@toycat Wow! Toycat is here.

    • @That0neDud
      @That0neDud День назад +7

      Goly gee its mr ToyCat on a small youtube channel

    • @snowmaske
      @snowmaske День назад +5

      Not to mention the cookie consent screen... Every option is toggled, and you have to untoggle hundreds of them. It's easy to bypass it though.

    • @FlubberFrosch
      @FlubberFrosch 12 часов назад +1

      Thankfully, the recipe book has finally been available since 1.12 (2017), and a year later with 1.13 for furnace recipes.
      I wonder when it will finally be available for potions? We are still dependent on the wiki for those.

  • @prismavoid3764
    @prismavoid3764 2 дня назад +722

    Fandom has repeatedly tried to include AI "quick answers" on articles against what the wiki admins actually want, and they're so bad. On the Zelda wiki, the page for Zelda herself claimed that she was in a romantic relationship with Ganondorf, and that Link was trying to steal her away from her real boyfriend. The AI literally confused someone's fanfiction with a reliable source. On the Fate wiki, it said that protagonist Shirou Emiya was in a polyamorous relationship with one character who exists, two who don't (it just made up names for some reason?), and had two children that don't exist, one of whom was named "Junior Emiya".

    • @metachirality
      @metachirality День назад +10

      Didn't they remove it because of backlash?

    • @Sneeek
      @Sneeek День назад +43

      🔥✍Junior Emiya

    • @capsey_
      @capsey_ 14 часов назад +2

      Well maybe Shirou asked ChatGPT for a name for a child and they went with "Junior", we wouldn't know but AI does

    • @jeannecaelum5167
      @jeannecaelum5167 13 часов назад +2

      Junior Emyia sounds fire tho XD it must confuse the UBW dnding ot smth

    • @emmet042
      @emmet042 10 часов назад +8

      ​@@capsey_ The funny thing is, AI doesn't know either! It just knows that having a parent name following or preceding 'junior" is a viable name for a kid!

  • @MapleZer0
    @MapleZer0 3 дня назад +1843

    fandom forcing their wiki to stay up no matter what after a fork feels so predatory. like do you REALLY need to keep mooching off people who dont know that badly???

    • @thezipcreator
      @thezipcreator 3 дня назад +168

      more people that think that that's the real wiki means more ads they can shove in people's faces

    • @ziggyhfx8202
      @ziggyhfx8202 3 дня назад +115

      It's pain because fandom usually has better seo and prioritization than the forks

    • @kolkagaming1234
      @kolkagaming1234 2 дня назад +56

      The Official Minecraft Wiki merged with fandom but left with fandom because Fandom has become a worse experience with So Many Ads & asking if you are an Adult or a Minor.

    • @CrystalWings12
      @CrystalWings12 2 дня назад +90

      Someone made a video about how there are massive migration from Fandom (I forgot what title was it).
      One of the most prominent example of that is when the Pizza Tower Wiki decided to move away from Fandom due to heavy vandalisms. But out of nowhere a Fandom representative came in and said that they can't just forked the Fandom one because 'more people need to see the Fandom wiki' or something.
      Idk why but it sounds like they're threatening them if they move away from Fandom, but PT Wiki keep migrating away and choose Miraheze as the new place for them.

    • @MapleZer0
      @MapleZer0 2 дня назад +1

      @CrystalWings12 jfc

  • @matthewmspace
    @matthewmspace 2 дня назад +370

    I’m not surprised private equity is involved. Private equity is killing EVERYTHING. The internet is slowly turning into a worse version of cable TV, as you can’t not use the internet in the same way you don’t have to pay for cable.

    • @ghb323
      @ghb323 3 часа назад

      @@matthewmspace they’re known for killing news sites.

  • @accelleratiiincredibus446
    @accelleratiiincredibus446 3 дня назад +1663

    I'm pretty sure the reason the fandom website asks if you're an adult or kid is to be COPPA compliant. It's illegal in America to collect personal information from children without their parent's permission, so many sites that collect personal information will ask if you're an adult, and if you aren't, they'll mark you as a child with a cookie, stop collecting personal information, and disable site features that could allow you to disclose personal information, such as leaving anonymous comments. The pop up doesn't say any of that, though, because telling users that their site experience may change depending on their choice goes against COPPA, since children might lie about their age if they knew that information.

    • @DIMM4_
      @DIMM4_  3 дня назад +442

      I heard that it was about ads, where they could show you different ads based on your age group. I did notice that when I clicked that I was an adult it showed me ads for health care, and when I clicked kid it showed ads for action figures.

    • @accelleratiiincredibus446
      @accelleratiiincredibus446 3 дня назад +229

      They collect personal information to target specific ads at you, which they're not allowed to do to children without their parent's permission. However, many websites aimed at kids will play children's ads by default, essentially allowing them to target children with specific ads without collecting their information. This is how RUclips Kids works, and why comments are disabled on all RUclips Kids videos. It's the easiest way to target ads at children without breaking COPPA compliance.

    • @Borapaws
      @Borapaws 3 дня назад +46

      what im more confused by is why alex yiik is the adult option

    • @CrystalWings12
      @CrystalWings12 2 дня назад +1

      ​@@accelleratiiincredibus446YT Kids is already that shitty with those terrible content farm (especially Elsagate, they are the absolute worst)

    • @sonicmeerkat
      @sonicmeerkat 2 дня назад +26

      Man coppa implementation in general is a bit ass tbh, especially with RUclips it being applied to the video and not the session is such a glaring loophole I'm surprised was missed by regulators.
      Tbh do wish coppa was simply enforced universally cause we basically live in a dystopia for the sake of ads, Internet is basically unusable without adblock , even RUclips.

  • @FriskyGote
    @FriskyGote 3 дня назад +1311

    As a wiki editor, thank you for choosing the wiki as topic for your video. Wiki communities are quite fascinating communities of nerds who really want to just make something for the greater fan community selflessly, and we often pour plenty of time and effort into this. It's cool to see once in a blue moon something about the wikis we create ^^

    • @RogatkaWR
      @RogatkaWR 3 дня назад +17

      Thank you for everything you do!

    • @CheddarCheeeez
      @CheddarCheeeez 2 дня назад +5

      Comment2

    • @xxxkingxl
      @xxxkingxl 2 дня назад +1

      fandom ≠ the official mc wiki anymore

    • @naejelangelogonzales6623
      @naejelangelogonzales6623 День назад +4

      We, at the rest of the playerbase, are very thankful to you people!

  • @warlordish
    @warlordish 2 дня назад +196

    It got so bad for terraria (specifically calamity) that they made a mod full of the completely made up bosses and items

    • @Selsato
      @Selsato День назад +1

      Wait seriously? What was it?

    • @warlordish
      @warlordish День назад +33

      @@Selsato it's called clamity.

    • @dawaidso
      @dawaidso 17 часов назад +21

      My favorite underground pre-hardmode boss, Monstro from The Binding of Isaac

    • @NoName-sv2uz
      @NoName-sv2uz 12 часов назад

      ​@warlordish is it updated to 1.4?

    • @RadikAlice
      @RadikAlice 6 часов назад +5

      Based. Reminds me of when (I think it was) Destiny 2 players made up a raid boss to spot and fool AI content farms

  • @thekamikaze789
    @thekamikaze789 19 часов назад +31

    lets be honnest: the internet is unusable without an adblocker and it has been for many many years

    • @itsmenatika
      @itsmenatika 15 часов назад +5

      2 unskipabble adds per video, including 20 seconds one
      Would anyone recommend mobile Adblock?
      If I wanted that many adds I would just watch television

    • @zapermunz
      @zapermunz 3 часа назад

      @@itsmenatika Use Brave my friend

    • @Jacob41C
      @Jacob41C Час назад

      @@itsmenatika What about the 20 minute ones they’re allowing again? It’s worse than TV.

  • @r3ked272
    @r3ked272 3 дня назад +225

    I remember for a while Fandom forced these videos to the top of some pages on the Slime Rancher wiki that were just flat out incorrect or nonsensical and they couldn't be removed

    • @pbone4038
      @pbone4038 3 дня назад +59

      I'm an editor on the Terraria wiki, and we got autoplaying videos that literally had mods installed and clearly visible 💀

    • @mystic-malevolence
      @mystic-malevolence 2 дня назад +34

      At some point recently they tried out AI generated article summaries which were... quite inaccurate.

    • @kraosdadafusfus8034
      @kraosdadafusfus8034 День назад +15

      @@mystic-malevolence That one convinced the Hollow Knight community to leave that dump. TBH, Warframe is one of the few wikis that are still stuck to Fandom, and I'd gladly support any initiative to leave.

    • @OkagaCalifornia
      @OkagaCalifornia День назад

      IIRC, that's what happened with the OSRS wiki as well.

    • @CrystalWings12
      @CrystalWings12 День назад

      ​@@mystic-malevolenceAnd some quiz that has A I who answered incorrectly, that they have to removed it for now. It means they can re-implement it someday.

  • @JediSteve-J3-
    @JediSteve-J3- 2 дня назад +548

    Anybody else remember that one guy who was at the bottom of nearly every wiki page with his own video explaining the mob/item/block.

  • @Minermatt2582
    @Minermatt2582 3 дня назад +316

    As a Minecraft Wiki editor, I would like to thank you for making a video about how we took a stand against Fandom's greed. Happy New Year!

    • @PhyloGenesis
      @PhyloGenesis 2 дня назад +11

      And as a long time player, I'd like to thank *you* for fighting fandom. It genuinely made me play a little less because I just didn't enjoy the experience of figuring anything out.

    • @shadowlander
      @shadowlander День назад +3

      It makes me so happy when games I need the wiki for (like Terraria or Stardew) make the switch from that horrible website

  • @NiceHyper01
    @NiceHyper01 3 дня назад +699

    If you want to talk about the game’s reliance on the wiki, I suggest you check out About_Oliver’s playthrough of the game: He manages to figure out how to beat the game, use redstone, and obtain level 30 enchantments (harder than it sounds), all without any outside help. Just using what he learns from playing the game.

    • @NicoleColenico
      @NicoleColenico 3 дня назад +226

      "use redstone"
      Is a work in progress let's put it that way.
      His biggest, unsolved challenge was figuring out potions, which there is absolute no tips or instructions on the game. Aside from the witch's drop pool and nether wart having no use outside of that.

    • @noodleman4555
      @noodleman4555 3 дня назад +62

      That's kind of how I played the game on my 360 in 2012 because I wasn't allowed to browse the internet freely as a kid. Potions were hard to figure out, and I never cared about redstone so I didn't bother with it.

    • @vectorwing-net
      @vectorwing-net 3 дня назад +85

      PiroPito has a similar series, where he figured everything on his own. It was utterly surreal to see him brute force knowledge, especially given how determined he is; that man can push through mind numbing tasks like nothing. Good stuff.
      I'll check About_Oliver out later!

    • @emeraldworldlp8828
      @emeraldworldlp8828 3 дня назад +40

      Thank you for this recommendation! I love blind playthroughs, but people experiencing games that require you to look stuff up truly blind are sadly exceedingly rare. I only know of two other creators who have gone down this path.
      One is CarlPlaying42, who did multiple blind playthroughs on games like minecraft, the binding of Isaac, and terraria. I discovered his channel about two months ago. And I've heard of a korean streamer playing minecraft with no outside help, figuring how to build a wither through the painting, and blowing up his whole base. If anyone knows any others, I'd appreciate you sharing!

    • @M0mazosMissy
      @M0mazosMissy 3 дня назад +8

      Can this abou_oliver guy do a Terraria playthrough? I really need someone to teach my dum friends that you don't need the wiki to play the game

  • @KidaJiwo
    @KidaJiwo 2 дня назад +61

    As an admin/designer of a MUCH smaller wiki compared to the Minecraft one, I can relate a lot to the path of chaos of jumping between different wiki farms, and the stress that comes with each one. Starting on Wikia, moving to Gamepedia, forced back into FANDOM, and now independently hosted.
    Wikia/FANDOM was and is extremely unpleasant to be hosted in, forcing every wiki to look the same "so that users know they are on our website", the immense amount of unnecessary ad/white space even with an adblock, the (previously, now fixed) extremely outdated Mediawiki version with self-maintained extensions that prevented users from using the newer and improved versions, and a myriad of other things (one personal story including FANDOM Staff removing me from admin from a wiki after someone that vandalized it reported me as I kept undoing their changes).
    I'm glad that more options for hosting a wiki exist nowadays, and that more of them are at the very least more trustworthy than FANDOM.

    • @AiraDelasse
      @AiraDelasse День назад

      Which wiki are you part of? Aside from Minecraft, I only ever knew of RuneScape that managed to go independent

    • @tomorbataar5922
      @tomorbataar5922 День назад

      Such a shame these entities were allowed to grow into what they are today. Predatory advertisement sites that abuse the need for knowledge, abuse voluntary work, and just makes an extremely unpleasant end user experience. Just to squeeze out every penny.
      I'm glad to see more and more wikis striking out on their own now, Fandom et.al. reaping what they sowed.

    • @KidaJiwo
      @KidaJiwo День назад +3

      @@AiraDelasse Closer to say we are a bunch of wikis that wanted to go independent, being hosted by members of said wikis. "Indie Wiki Federation", if you wanna look it up. Myself am part of the 100% Orange Juice wiki team.

  • @Harristic
    @Harristic 3 дня назад +922

    I am very biased because this video is about the wiki, and I’m an admin of said wiki, but this is a really great video. Thank you for making it, and thank you for letting me help!

    • @bleh-v8q
      @bleh-v8q 3 дня назад +30

      ty for you work btw

    • @Inv1xxity
      @Inv1xxity 3 дня назад +38

      Its not your fault a big company spams ads, thank you for your contributions!

    • @cyaniire6924
      @cyaniire6924 3 дня назад +5

      Well well well...

    • @iVideo1011
      @iVideo1011 3 дня назад +3

      Thank you and everyone involved so much for your efforts!!

    • @sakamocat
      @sakamocat 3 дня назад +1

      bros the riddler

  • @greffen
    @greffen 3 дня назад +181

    an all encompassing video of this scale covering the entire story of both the minecraft wiki and why fandom is so upsetting is so crazy to make this good! fandom genuinely is SO bad that adding another video to the growing list of those made against them is (IMO) a noble cause 🙏
    also shoutout any wiki that has left fandom. we will fight the good fight!

    • @greffen
      @greffen 3 дня назад +7

      also also shoutout TreeIsLife for posting this in the MCDF wiki and showing it to me :D

  • @shockanova
    @shockanova 2 дня назад +95

    I’m glad Pokémon has always had a well run wiki full of information, bulbapedia

    • @angrysunflower222
      @angrysunflower222 2 дня назад +1

      (barring the fact it's run by a "urine batter")

    • @nicocchi
      @nicocchi День назад +5

      The hispanic Pokémon community almost didn't have the same luck. WikiDex was hosted on wikia→fandom and fandom does as fandom does and ruins everything they touch. Them forcing the oasis skin was even more insulting since WikiDex ran a heavily customized version of uhh monobook(?) and all that work was thrown in the garbage unless you had an account and specified you wanted to use that skin.
      Luckily, WikiDex migrated as well, and its admin wrote down the whole story on the new site; if you can read Spanish, it's a fascinating read that paints a pretty vivid picture of how heavy handed and downright draconian fandom is, sending power-tripping 10 year olds with admin privileges to do their bidding over the actual community wishes, and I wish more of the populous English speaking side knew of it because WikiDex's fights with fandom have been one of the most sour out there.
      Bulbapedia itself has an article on WikiDex summarizing those events and how fandom staff mistreated WikiDex's admins, prompting the whole community to pack their bags and leave

    • @RB-R
      @RB-R 20 часов назад

      @@nicocchi I am cruious. Why use wikidex when you could have used bulbapedia all along?

    • @nonormies
      @nonormies 19 часов назад +8

      i mean, bulbapedia has its own issues. mostly page loading times and using screen space both inefficiently and ineffectively. but that is mostly an issue of trying to cram information from a billion different pieces of pokemon media into one single place. they have always been good at not using your screen as free real estate for deceptive and malicious ads, which sadly is something that earns a gold star in 2025.

  • @bluecrab2
    @bluecrab2 3 дня назад +265

    One small correction at 11:33, the parrot was added to the game in 2017 and the tropical fish mob was added to the game in 2018

    • @luigraskullheart
      @luigraskullheart 2 дня назад +26

      ^ said like a Minecraft Wiki peruser

    • @boas_
      @boas_ 2 дня назад +8

      Yeah just wanted to say that. Maybe they confused the tropical fish item with the mob

    • @user-tzzglsstle585e38
      @user-tzzglsstle585e38 День назад +1

      @@boas_ The item has been around for a decade tho so that can't be it

    • @user-tzzglsstle585e38
      @user-tzzglsstle585e38 День назад +3

      Also a correction that Tropical Fish mobs are more than JUST quantity mobs, they added every fish item as a mob in 1.13 so excluding Tropical Fishes from being added would just be a missed opportunity to actually make Warm Oceans unique.
      Also they're currently the only way to breed/fight with Axolotls.

    • @boas_
      @boas_ День назад +1

      ​@@user-tzzglsstle585e38Yeah I'd say that period of bad updates stopped with 1.13

  • @Seika9
    @Seika9 2 дня назад +54

    Thanks for lending me your credit card! My blahaj now has a wife blahaj and three little blahaj - es (they grew up very quickly)

    • @gay4femboys
      @gay4femboys 23 часа назад +1

      Congrats on the blahaj family!!

    • @Underr4t3d
      @Underr4t3d 5 часов назад +1

      I didnt watch the video yet, but the promis of a plushy shark from Ikea excites me!

  • @Dragonmist19X
    @Dragonmist19X 2 дня назад +43

    THANK YOU FOR SHOWING OFF INDIE WIKI BUDDY!
    I didn't know it existed before and it already makes finding transitioning wikis to much easier.

  • @wezzybee8675
    @wezzybee8675 2 дня назад +149

    Jokes on you my friend my way of learning red stone was through the reading of the official Minecraft pocket books. 0:15

    • @DIMM4_
      @DIMM4_  2 дня назад +60

      I SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT OF THAT! man that would’ve been funny

    • @wezzybee8675
      @wezzybee8675 2 дня назад +17

      yeah I feel like people forget about those books. I collected the full set when I was younger :P

    • @franmanlemon
      @franmanlemon 2 дня назад +15

      fandom, now aware of the books, proceeded to grab a crayon ominously

  • @eMe_peridot_hare
    @eMe_peridot_hare 2 дня назад +32

    Your video & editing style is phenomenal as always, using Minecraft istelf as your presentation medium... The Bill Wurtz joke at 12:39 caught me so off guard lmao, excellent stuff. Super interesting look at the history of MC wikis! The new non-Fandom one is such a breath of fresh air 💚

  • @JohnSmith-wv5km
    @JohnSmith-wv5km 3 дня назад +88

    0:35 it's probably so they don't illegally harvest kids' data, which would mean they're data harvesting

    • @MuzikBike
      @MuzikBike 3 дня назад +35

      Clearly the correct answer is to click the kid option then regardless

    • @foggy_nights
      @foggy_nights 2 дня назад +3

      ​@@MuzikBikeyes!

    • @SpaghettiThePingas
      @SpaghettiThePingas 7 часов назад +1

      Nah, if you click the “kid” option it’ll advertise things kids are more suspectible to, like fake mobile game ads.

    • @torenchao
      @torenchao 6 часов назад +2

      @SpaghettiThePingasIt does both

  • @bozhidar.mitsev
    @bozhidar.mitsev 3 дня назад +216

    the wikia plot twist was unmatched, i am not even kidding top 10 in most unexpected plot twists

    • @NicoleColenico
      @NicoleColenico 3 дня назад +36

      The writing for humanity's corporate evil arc is great, old plot points always get addressed eventually

    • @bozhidar.mitsev
      @bozhidar.mitsev 3 дня назад +7

      @@NicoleColenico fr, DIMM4 scriptwriter of the year frfr

    • @chaosenforcerdhm969
      @chaosenforcerdhm969 3 дня назад +4

      Total obvious plot twist

    • @bozhidar.mitsev
      @bozhidar.mitsev 3 дня назад +6

      @@chaosenforcerdhm969 dk, didn't expect it

    • @a.d.t.mapping
      @a.d.t.mapping 2 дня назад +8

      i was there when it happened, crazy shit fr

  • @CRKPXL
    @CRKPXL 2 дня назад +39

    You say fuck and dont beep it out. This alone shows me that you are down to what you speak. Good stuff as always.

  • @connorconnor1631
    @connorconnor1631 2 дня назад +17

    i'm sorry but calling that section "FANDOM TAX" is genius

    • @connorconnor1631
      @connorconnor1631 2 дня назад

      also nice _sm3dw_ music (i would have miraheze as world flower because world flower's music is my favourite even tho it's not sequential)

  • @lpfan4491
    @lpfan4491 3 дня назад +48

    Fandom is where communities go to die. Very few good wikis(The only two I can remember are Ben 10 and Fire Emblem Heroes) on there. It is unironically more sane to just make your wiki locally on PC, waiting until you can afford a server. If you get to the point of being fairly sure that will never happen, try to find someone else who is a fan can who afford it and send them the data.

    • @CrystalWings12
      @CrystalWings12 2 дня назад +4

      I am not sure why Metal Gear Wiki don't even have any idea to migrate their wiki to somewhere else, despite from all the problems Fandom has. I can't even scrolling through everything without the ad blocker on.

    • @0uttaS1TE
      @0uttaS1TE 2 дня назад +4

      Warframe Wiki's pretty good too, from what I remember.

    • @dualplay3309
      @dualplay3309 День назад

      Sometimes Fandom just close that wiki that they don't like, for example case with Polandball Wiki.

    • @researchinbreeder
      @researchinbreeder День назад

      Fire Emblem community moved off Fandom in the past year or two as well iirc, bc the Fandom stuff for the mainline games is infuriatingly bad even outside the advertisements. I don't really play FEH, so I'm not in a position to comment on how they handle Heroes vs the Fandom, but for mainline FE stuff both Fireemblemwiki and other sources like Serene's Forest are incredible.

    • @kaseyhirt1758
      @kaseyhirt1758 3 часа назад

      Well, not Five Nights at Freddy's or any other indie product for that matter.

  • @afturburn
    @afturburn 2 дня назад +48

    I remember a period of I think a few months where every image on the wiki got replaced with a donkey and the admins did nothing about it lol

  • @MatthewElento-vv9sb
    @MatthewElento-vv9sb 2 дня назад +14

    i love the "human" camera angles and movement that makes it feel like you're actually in a real life set just recording yourself even though its entirely in minecraft

  • @banyro
    @banyro 2 дня назад +24

    One of the wiki moderators is somewhat known in a German Twitch community, so seeing the journey it took to achieve the ad-less wiki was a great way to understand the corporate problems they have to deal with and support them at the same time. Great video!

  • @eepykate
    @eepykate 3 дня назад +16

    OMG how have i never heard of your channel before!!!! i LOVE your sense of humor!

  • @Houndnwolf
    @Houndnwolf 2 дня назад +76

    Fun Fact: if you put Anri in front of fandom on any fandom website, you get a no ad version of the page.

    • @WoLfThUmP
      @WoLfThUmP 2 дня назад +13

      fun fact no one cares stop using fandom

    • @luigraskullheart
      @luigraskullheart 2 дня назад +99

      @@WoLfThUmP fun fact not every wiki out there has a non-fandom alternative

    • @LiraScarlet
      @LiraScarlet 2 дня назад

      @@WoLfThUmP Actually using alternatives like anri or breezewiki that basically load fandom wikis without adds or trackers is the best option when there isn't a true non-fandom alternative. Since by using those services you still aren't benefiting fandom and at the same time you ass to the load in their servers, literally costing them money.
      Edit: The Indie Wiki Buddy can even make this automatically. I've been using them for months since the loading and unloading of ads in fandom wikis made them jittery and liteary unusable for me.

    • @1KiloDepartment
      @1KiloDepartment 2 дня назад +51

      I think you meant: If you write "anti" behind of "fandom" (so it becomes "antifandom") on any Fandom website, you get an ad-free version of the page.

    • @Snugbrrrr
      @Snugbrrrr 2 дня назад

      @@WoLfThUmPyo. Be nice.

  • @iglide
    @iglide 3 дня назад +49

    S-tier video! I love the storytelling and I feel like I’m watching a whole documentary. This has honestly inspired me to go back on my channel which I’ve been doing a CGP Grey on since last summer

  • @a.d.t.mapping
    @a.d.t.mapping 2 дня назад +42

    8:23 There are 36 jelly beans in that jar.
    Source: The base of the jar is 9 blocks and we can see that the jar has three layers on top of the base. Thus, 9 x 4 = 36.

    • @bucket6079
      @bucket6079 2 дня назад +4

      what if its hollow

    • @jgtb0pl
      @jgtb0pl 2 дня назад +3

      ​@@bucket6079they're jelly beans... That... Wouldn't make sense

    • @JamesTDG
      @JamesTDG 2 дня назад +4

      @jgtb0pl Keep in mind, this is Minecraft, you know, the game known to have floating sky islands in its terrain generation?

    • @jgtb0pl
      @jgtb0pl 2 дня назад

      @@JamesTDG actually... good point

    • @a.d.t.mapping
      @a.d.t.mapping 2 дня назад +4

      @@bucket6079 okay FINE. Presume an inequality that corresponds to the amount of jellybean blocks not visible to the camera. This is more than you'd think, since the back half of the jar is never shown. The variable here is the number of jellybeans per layer; we can see that there must be 4 layers. The smallest possible amount of jellybeans is 5, the largest 9, thus there are 20-36 jellybeans in the jar. Not every number is equally accurate though, 20 (all jellybeans shown), 32 (entire middle is hollow), 34 (only the center middle is hollow), 36 (entirely full) are more likely to be the true number than the others in the range.
      You happy, internet?

  • @haph2087
    @haph2087 3 дня назад +15

    I'm glad the people at the Minecraft Wiki are fighting the good fight trying to make the internet not s**t. Thank you for your service.

  • @ColinTheShark
    @ColinTheShark День назад +7

    I saw the whole Wiki Fork go down, not live and reading discussions, but I did watch Phoenix' videos about it and read through some News posts that the MC Wiki put up.
    This video was **so** incredibly well done, the whole "Exit - White Void" skit, continually filling up with more and more bookshelves, as the Wiki gains more and more pages and articles, absolutely hooked.
    You earned a new subscriber with me :D

  • @visthj
    @visthj 2 дня назад +19

    22:51 minceraft

    • @trentskirvin302
      @trentskirvin302 День назад

      😂😂😂. Had to do a double take because I was like something didn't look right

  • @PuppyFromTheAlt
    @PuppyFromTheAlt 3 дня назад +71

    I appreciate the little bit mentioning the redirect-to-non-Fandom program -- I would've sweared I saw one that actually, genuinely made its way into Chrome prior to watching this video, that also happened to be open source, but I forgot which one was then.

  • @msaocer
    @msaocer 3 дня назад +16

    8:46 lmao youre honestly underrated for how good your videos are

  • @Time_pug
    @Time_pug 2 дня назад +6

    9:36 that's a clever way to reference meet the soldier

  • @zepsun
    @zepsun 2 дня назад +9

    When I have fandom open, even in another tab, my whole pc starts to lag. It’s so volatile lol

  • @U.Inferno
    @U.Inferno 3 дня назад +17

    To this day, I'm glad that my fan base of choice-Cosmere-has always had an independent wiki. The Coppermind is one of the best fan-wiki's I've ever used and even has a built-in time machine for you to browse with to avoid spoilers of any new installment. The Arcanum side of the site also manages an entire database of announcements and creator commentary to supplement textual evidence.
    I remember using the original minecraft wiki, and it's a relief they're free again.

  • @yoisakikanade_
    @yoisakikanade_ 3 дня назад +6

    I've been pretty interested in wikis all my life and its so nice to see well made videos about fandom and its problems. i was super excited when mossbag and phoenix sc made their videos about migrating and yours has the best history rundown ive seen. super well made video. god bless indie wiki buddy
    also 26:12 new zealand mentioned

  • @Imirui
    @Imirui 3 дня назад +29

    12:49 Love that bill wurtz History of Japan reference

    • @raditudesydney
      @raditudesydney 3 дня назад +5

      bill wurtz is so goated

    • @0uttaS1TE
      @0uttaS1TE 2 дня назад

      That, and the Black Mirror joke at the beginning

    • @overman138
      @overman138 2 дня назад

      lol i got that too there are so many references this video is so funny

  • @techgenius0411
    @techgenius0411 21 час назад +2

    This is the most engaged I’ve been in a video for a WHILE

  • @Kaelygon
    @Kaelygon 2 дня назад +14

    This is such a good deep dive!
    I never kept up with all the wiki drama, I just heard that wikia or fandom versions were the worse version of the games wikis that I was playing like runescape.
    It really puts the full circle together when I realized the old wikis were bought out by big names like daddy Bezos, and later Wikia.

  • @angiovanni7356
    @angiovanni7356 3 дня назад +14

    9:37 wait a moment… this seems like a quote i know from that one game notch played in the past that he got a exclusive cosmetic in

  • @Olof
    @Olof 2 дня назад +5

    Got this randomly recommended and one of the best minecraft videos ive seen this year!
    Love the editing and the background scene, how it changes and your jokes are real good.
    I am real impressed! Keep it up!

  • @Cchurrasco
    @Cchurrasco 3 дня назад +20

    The quality of the video vas honestly mindblowing, I expected your channel to have over 100k subs. You 100% earned a new subscriber

  • @hellytubbies
    @hellytubbies 3 дня назад +11

    30:24 im crying its actual minecraft politics

  • @IawesomeM8
    @IawesomeM8 Час назад +1

    Just searched up minecraft wiki and fandom is no longer the first option to show up.

  • @FoxWithBrainDamage
    @FoxWithBrainDamage 2 дня назад +3

    This is extremely well made!
    Your jokes land you’re interesting, and you’re able to explain things well. Keep up the good work!

  • @randomperson4915
    @randomperson4915 2 дня назад +5

    Here before this blows up, this has been one of the most professional minecraft videos I've ever seen. Fascinating content, excellent delivery, great editing, every single reference felt like a personal call-out... you've earned both a subscriber and a recommendation to everyone I know.
    Keep up the great work, and happy holidays!

  • @randomuploaderguy
    @randomuploaderguy 2 дня назад +14

    For those who are too young to know, Fandom started out as Wikia, a for-profit version of Wikipedia where people could make their own wikis. It was terrible back in the late 2000s, it's still terrible now. At least, back in the 2000s you could have a wiki deleted, unlike now where Fandom does everything in its power to prevent a wiki from being deleted. They want your traffic to their terrible wikis instead of the new self-hosted versions.

    • @atlascove1810
      @atlascove1810 День назад +2

      This is just reiterating the video.

    • @randomuploaderguy
      @randomuploaderguy День назад +1

      I wrote it before I watched the video, that might be why. I assumed the video wouldn't touch on the fact that Wikia became Fandom, or even mention Wikia at all.

  • @exclared
    @exclared 2 дня назад +1

    As someone who's been avoiding fandom like the plague for as long as I've used game wikis, it's great seeing someone pull more attention to this. It's always infuriating to me when I look for info on something and the only thing that pops up is a fandom wiki. I truly hope that fandom's practices lead more and more wikis to leave and make their business model entirely unprofitable in the end.
    What I find especially sad is looking at wikis that I think will be stuck on fandom indefinitely. One such example I've been using a lot lately is the eberron (the dnd setting) wiki, which simply has so much content and so few contributors that I see the chance of them migrating to a different host as slim to null. I thank the gods for indie wiki buddy's function to automatically redirect to a breezewiki fork on this one.
    In essence, fandom bad. Video gud. Subbed.

  • @luigraskullheart
    @luigraskullheart 2 дня назад +3

    This was a much more comprehensive video than I thought it would be! Thank you so much for making an actually comprehensive video on the topic. Most videos only cover the fact that the wiki moved recently, so this was a pleasant surprise! Almost like... a New Year gift

  • @damze4888
    @damze4888 2 дня назад +2

    The minecraft wiki has been moved to a new site with way less ads but people still use the old one cuz it appears first on google.

  • @MishaGold
    @MishaGold 3 дня назад +51

    2:58
    Another detail worth mentioning here is that back in the day, almost nothing in the game had official names. Not mobs, not blocks. So wiki writers just had to come up with names for things in the game! Oh, those were the days of ducks, reeds, cuprite and Red Mossy Cobblestone. The latter is especially noteworthy, as it was the only official name available at the time: that's how Notch himself was describing netherrack initially.

    • @ukyoize
      @ukyoize 2 дня назад +1

      I remember Adminium

    • @CiromBreeze
      @CiromBreeze 2 дня назад

      I thought the Nether materials were originally called Netherstone and Lightstone on the wiki? I actually thought Netherrack was a typo of "Netherrock" originally. In fact, I still do, I just think it's a typo they rolled with similar to how the Creeper got created.
      Pretty sure Reeds was official though, before sugar got added and it got renamed.

    • @MishaGold
      @MishaGold 2 дня назад +1

      @@CiromBreeze "Netherstone" was the first proper official name, however i don't think that "rack" wasn't intentional since Ghast always had its name and it has a similar "o > a" twist thing in it. I don't know a lot about Lightstone but the first common term for it was "Australium" that was coined by a PC Gamer journalist as a joke.
      Also yeah, i was kinda wrong with "Reeds" lol, it was the first official name as mentioned by Notch that was later confirmed in-game. A lot of people were actually calling it "bamboo" and it was the name of the page for Sugar Cane for some time.

    • @CiromBreeze
      @CiromBreeze 2 дня назад +1

      @MishaGold Oh, I definitely remember bamboo, especially as the classic song 'In Search of Diamonds' references it (and that song is *old,* even having an old wool block bed so it was definitely late alpha/early beta times, might have even been when SMP had just released.

  • @ognistylord8181
    @ognistylord8181 10 часов назад +1

    9:35 - anyone else heard the "Meet the Soldier" reference? (just swapping places by the farm and zoo)

  • @spin4team4096
    @spin4team4096 День назад +4

    22:12 I did not understand a single word you said

  • @catoouo
    @catoouo 10 часов назад

    this was the most unexpected 30 minute experience about wikis, corporate greed and minecraft i was absolutly hooked and the editing was so creative, i lose my mind everytime the dvd logo was about to hit the corner, nice video

  • @Maxidos
    @Maxidos 2 дня назад +8

    Thanks I really needed your credit card number for reference.

  • @isntmuch
    @isntmuch 3 дня назад +4

    I love the background changing as the video goes on! Great job!

  • @MissEvieYT
    @MissEvieYT 5 часов назад +1

    78 cited sources on a video about the Minecraft wiki? Was this video made by Evil James Sommerton? appreciate it bbg

  • @weirdchildren2550
    @weirdchildren2550 2 дня назад +4

    the "history of the entire world i guess" reference at 12:40 was priceless

  • @Harviall
    @Harviall День назад +1

    Wth your video are so much high quality, you deserve more subscribers! Keep it up!

  • @kingcat_100
    @kingcat_100 3 дня назад +7

    All I can say is, great video.🤩 I already know a lot of the story as I am currently a board member of Block & Quill Ltd. and an admin of another language (German). The video is still very informative for me and can only help the new wiki to compete against fandom.

  • @shanshansan
    @shanshansan 20 часов назад +2

    I like the "LEMMINO" style of citations being in the bottom left

    • @toastrave7820
      @toastrave7820 18 часов назад

      i still remember when he actively covered rage comics as Top10Meme

  • @Rurek-jw4ng
    @Rurek-jw4ng 2 дня назад +18

    9:35
    If fighting is sure to result in victory, then you must fight! Sun Tzu said that, and I'd say he knows a little more about fighting than you do, pal, because he invented it! And then he perfected it so that no living man could best him in the ring of honor! Then he used his fight money to buy two of every animal on Earth, and then he herded them onto a boat, and then he beat the crap out of every single one! And from that day forward, any time a bunch of animals are together in one place, it's called a zoo! ... Unless its a farm.

    • @to1ex
      @to1ex 2 дня назад +5

      ok, imma fight
      damn, random crit!

  • @theworldsgreatestjidiot9667
    @theworldsgreatestjidiot9667 2 дня назад +2

    This video was fun to watch and had an interesting deep historical lore vibe to it and I liked the character actually looking like they are talking and speaking to me rather than a random disembodied voice.
    I would love to see more videos with this kind of vibe.

  • @diepie5144
    @diepie5144 3 дня назад +5

    Great to see someone citing sources. Really fits in with the production quality of the video

  • @ulawan5
    @ulawan5 День назад +1

    My phone was off to the side playing this and then died EXACTLY after the "What were we talking about? oh rightright right" line around 16:07
    I thought the silence was like a bit for a second
    great video, fabulous humor! glad there's a lot more!

  • @enlogical
    @enlogical 3 дня назад +4

    I'm glad that this video has appeared on my homepage honestly, because I really wanted to get more knowledge about the Minecraft Wiki but the wiki itself didn't tell me much in-depth information but your video actually expanded my view on the situations the wiki had been in, thank you for that. You have great editing actually that's really relevant to the type of video, great pacing, jokes, and I honestly enjoyed watching throughout the whole video. Thank you

  • @Heavof2
    @Heavof2 Час назад +1

    using fandom is like eating pocket lint and using crack as protein powder

  • @TheAFKUser
    @TheAFKUser 3 дня назад +9

    jeez, i go to the sources to check it out and i get bombarded with a wall of text telling me why my parents left me

  • @arlwiss5110
    @arlwiss5110 2 дня назад +1

    very fun how this went from Notch being happy that people made a wiki for his game, to corporations slutting out for ad revenue and cease and desist emails from Microsoft

  • @unavailableun
    @unavailableun 3 дня назад +6

    22:40 I didn't understand the words, but I understood what you said

  • @levymgc8401
    @levymgc8401 День назад +1

    One of the best well researched, well edited and funny videos I’ve seen. GOOD WORK.

  • @hoovR
    @hoovR 3 дня назад +21

    dude great editing detail adding different mc versions of gameplay in the background, also zoo/farm tf2 joke

  • @parchmentengineer8169
    @parchmentengineer8169 2 дня назад

    One of the best researched and best presented videos I've seen in a very long while. I've been keeping up with this whole history and I thought I knew a lot, but I learned so many new things from this.

  • @Cryothia
    @Cryothia 3 дня назад +5

    You turned a topic I wouldn’t think twice about into watching the full video. Incredible writing, editing, sets(?), and humor. Subbing for more

  • @kolteel
    @kolteel День назад +2

    i'm a wiki editor for (an admittedly much smaller game), dredge, and despite the constant updates, as well as our wiki being officially endorsed by the developers themselves, the basically abandoned fandom wiki is still the top result on most searches other than the ones that they just don't have. it really is a shame the damage corporations have done to fan wikis

    • @TheDragonDAFan98
      @TheDragonDAFan98 5 часов назад

      What's the address of your wiki?

    • @kolteel
      @kolteel Час назад

      @@TheDragonDAFan98 i've tried to respond to this comment three times to seemingly no success, but it's wikigg

  • @DissonantSynth
    @DissonantSynth 3 дня назад +26

    Awesome video. The script is informative and clear but not slow, and your personality and humour mixed in throughout are wonderful. Your voice is nice, you speak clearly, and the presentation of the video is very charming. Terrific work!

  • @AstroEli133
    @AstroEli133 2 дня назад +10

    1:17 "Maybe this is just a fan wiki" yeah duh, all wikis are fan wikis unless the creator made it 😂😂

  • @andrewdavis7408
    @andrewdavis7408 День назад +1

    Dude I cannot express how ridiculously amazing this video was.

  • @Cosmicdev58
    @Cosmicdev58 3 дня назад +7

    This is video is super well made!! Reminds me of this game called Beastieball that has a smaller fanbase but still setup a non-fandom based wiki, really hoping more wikis do this in the future and eventually render fandom irrelevant.

  • @johnyakovac6002
    @johnyakovac6002 6 часов назад +1

    Great video, keep being a great teacher

  • @virgovirtuoso
    @virgovirtuoso 3 дня назад +7

    hiii first time here, just wanted to compliment 2 things about your video I liked: the little minecraft sound effects (like the footsteps and door opening) were cute. and THE LITTLE CAMERA AND CAMERA MAN AT THE END? I punched the air that shit was so cute.

  • @GrannyGamer1
    @GrannyGamer1 2 дня назад +1

    RUclips recommended this video to me
    I've been away from Minecraft for ten years.
    I had no idea!
    Thanks so much for this!
    And thanks for just being, your own self!
    Does my heart good to see real community and a sibling!
    I'm subbing.
    Happy New Year

  • @stubeet39
    @stubeet39 3 дня назад +4

    I'm loaded on medication right now, and I had to rewatch that gen alpha slang rant on McDonald's four times to understand everything.

  • @Neddiay
    @Neddiay 22 часа назад +1

    Your video style is really nice, I've been completely entertained theoughout the whole video! Keep it up :)

  • @Qbeczeq0
    @Qbeczeq0 2 дня назад +10

    32:18 music is Winter(The Wind Can Be Still) by Concerned Ape (music fron Stardew Valley)

  • @RaysWorks
    @RaysWorks День назад +1

    Now I understand it. Great video!

  • @foreigner-r7x
    @foreigner-r7x 2 дня назад +5

    18:12 MF DOOM REFRENCE??!?!??!?!?!?111!?!??

  • @TroubleDog54
    @TroubleDog54 4 минуты назад

    Your video was absolutely stunning! The mix of humour with little bites of information and proof that something can be done against these massive corporations worked really well. Hats off to you!
    Also, referencing sources properly is something I rarely see nowadays, and it should be more common, especially for videos like these. Huge respect!

  • @bleh-v8q
    @bleh-v8q 3 дня назад +3

    Thank you Dimm4

  • @kxatto.
    @kxatto. 2 дня назад +1

    This was a SUPER interesting video to watch. As someone who has always been fascinated by how wikis work (yet never doing the research myself..) + grew up using the minecraft wiki, this was really informative! Just wanted to mention how the editing and pacing is phenomenal, genuinely. Great job and may the passion for making these videos last long for you. Happy new year!

  • @augustaseptemberova5664
    @augustaseptemberova5664 2 дня назад +4

    thank you so much for the indie wiki recommendation

  • @VankoGN
    @VankoGN 2 дня назад +2

    22:26 my brain is now rotten, thanks!😁