Old vs. New: How Much Better Has Toyota Made The Tacoma Over The Past 20 Years?
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- Опубликовано: 4 июл 2024
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manual TRD PRO???? wow
In Canada you can get manual in access cab...
No pro in that package tho.
Only way to get a manual I believe.
@@skinlab4239 I'm pretty sure in Canada you can get manual in the 2 wheel drive too.
@@skinlab4239 I dont think we have manual in 5' bed model.
@@BadKittus the 2wd manual went away with the 3rd Gen up here. Manuals can be had in a access cab trd off road, double cab short bed trd sport/trd pro. Americans get the dcsb trd off road manual but not the access cab trd off road like we do. Toyota is weird.
Those 1st gen Tacomas are damn near perfect.
Just replace the frame and other rusted panels all good to go for another short while. Grandpa's axe syndrome.
@@colincameron6263 Most don’t end up rusty like that. Mines got, what, 300,000 miles or so. Engine was rebuilt once, rather recently. Everything else is as it was, nothing’s rusted or anything.
@@colincameron6263 lol imagine living somewhere where you have to worry about rust
@@trevordillon1921 My last Toyota Hilux i sold as a wreck as the engine and rust repairs needed after 200,000kms was not worth the bother. Some idiot gave me 2k for it and rebuilt it. Never stops amazing me how much folk will pay to keep a Toyota truck on the road.
@@colincameron6263 I own a 1997 Toyota Tacoma I bought for 3K, with 300K miles, engine has 100K since last rebuild.
I have spent 25 dollars on a seat cover.
Older gen was the perfect size imho. Wish someone still offered a fairly narrow 4x4 in the US.
Exactly.
He actually has to swerve to make U turn with new taco
Frontier
safety regulations make these trucks larger.
Anyone who has taken the roads in Idaho to hunt public land can appreciate a old gen taco for its size. The hood on the new gen makes it harder to see close in front of you on angles. Still love yotas though and won’t buy anything else - even if Toyota won’t give disc brakes for the rear on the Tacoma’s.
A simple and straightforward video. No hamming it up for the camera. No obnoxious synth music. Keep it up with the simplicity of videos like this.
“A satisfying Knob to Hold”!!
Mmmmm Tacoma
You said, knob.... ha
Beat me to it
Oh Myyyyyyy....
I sure loveTacomas. Especially first gen and original Toyota pickups.
I agree! My two favorites! Last gen where they had the boxed frame as you know. Also last gen where they shared a lot with the Hilux 😎.
Thumbs down on brown topper !!! YUKKKKK !!!!
"A satisfying knob to hold". I'm gonna have to use that line!
Regarding the clutch start cancel, when I was in driver's Ed in the early 90's, we were taught if your vehicle stalls in train tracks and won't start, you can use the starter to pull it off the tracks in gear. That is also an alternative reason.
Tommy, the ability to disable the Clutch in Start, and to put it in gear is a valuable ability. I have run out of gas a block from the gas station. And while my truck was light enough to push it that block, the ability to put it in 4L, 1st gear, and hope in to use the starter to get me over the driveway hump was a God sent. No risk of a hernia.
Been there, done that!
Enough with the soft toppers, they look terrible.
If they would have went with a black one, it might have looked better on the Toyota.
One more vehicle gets a soft topper and I am unsubscribing just for the principle of it! Ha!
@@PhilipOberg ha what a fan you are lol
love mine! want shit in the back while its raining? pull and snap it shut. Wanna throw a dirtbike in the back? Fold it down.
@@mase002 nobody said they weren’t functional, just hideous ;)
You guys gotta stop with the soft toppers.
Yep, fugly
Lol
I think if it was black would look a bit better but hate the tan
@@chrisa7832 I have the black, it looks much better
I live right down the street from these guys, the topper company is a locally owned business and everybody has them on their trucks here including my dad. They're actually really practical, even if you think they look ugly.
I have a 98 tacoma, extended cab with the stock limited edition purple color. Bought it for 3k with 144,000 miles on it in Orlando a couple years ago and i wouldn't change it for the world. Thr engine hasn't even broken in yet.
Who thought a tan soft top would look good on a silver truck?🤣🤣🤣
Rolled my 04' single cab 4 cylinder Tacoma 2 days ago on black ice. 17 years, 222,000 miles, and countless memories. It's totalled and feel like I lost my best friend. Always ran like the day I bought it, was still my daily driver. Completely rolled over twice and walked away without a scratch.
You guys need to stop, with these soft toppers!
They look goofy
It’s because they’re a sponsor. Here in SoCal a thief would slice it to bits... I’ve had my tools stolen out of my locked truck as is. :/
@BL Dontmatter fax
Soft topper should have been black to match the black fender flares and mirrors.
I have a 2001 Tacoma 4 door with 181000 miles on it. It runs like a champ. Got it almost a year ago. Beautifully taken care of for about 20 years now as it has zero problems. It is my first ever car and I absolutely love it. Would not change it even for this 2021 Tacoma. I definitely recommend buying a first gen Tacoma. I plan on keeping mine for years to come.
Had 92 Toyota 4x4 manual single cab for several years.Wish I still had it.
Stop trying to make softtopper a thing, they're hideous.
I second this. They’re cheap and lame... good for the old guys and high school kids who go out with their hunting rifle that isn’t even locked
No. They are rad. Get with the program.
That’s like your opinion, dude...
The Leer hard tops are the way to go or if you've got the money the modular tops. The soft tops are terrible.
Soft toppers are sick, not everyone wants to drive a jelly bean with soccer mom curve lines. Soft topper looks militaristic and cool.
My 2001 Tacoma, 3.4L V6, automatic, four-door TRD SR5 (High-Low 4WD, electronic diff-locks) is a money-printing-machine. After buying it, and eight years of ownership later, Toyota called me and replaced the frame in my truck, gratis, free. While they were doing that, I spent a couple of grand ($2k) on everything I could change while the cab was off of the frame (i.e brake lines, fuel pump, shocks, etc). A month later (it took 30 days for the frame replacement job to be completed, free rental car included), I drove off of the lot once again, on what felt like a brand new truck. Now in 2021, twenty years of ownership later and with 256k miles on the odometer, my Taco still drives like new and has given me ZERO problems. I always stay on top of proper manufacturer recommended maintenance (i.e. dinosaur-oil changes every 3k miles, 100k services, etc.). It is by far the best money I have ever spent on a vehicle and it is a GREAT working truck! After twenty years of ownership, with all maintenance and tires purchased included, this truck has cost me about $3,00 a day to own. Thank you, Toyota.
On what planet does that soft topper look good? 🤔
Only people who care about how a truck looks are the types who don't ever engage 4 wheel drive.
Not this one that’s for sure! 🤮
I dig it
If it's black?
Mars
Nice overview. I really like the way the new Taco looks, especially in that TRD-Pro package.
I love the old Tacoma pickups. I've got a 2003 double-cab with a TRD Supercharged V6. It's got a locking rear differential and power windows, mirrors, and locks. I put a Camburg suspension kit on it for more off-road capability and a smoother ride. It has aged remarkably well and I plan on driving it for many more years.
I'm thinking the old one is the overall best of the two trucks
Yeah i mean its not like replacing the frame because of rust is that big of a deal.. right??
Plus it wasn't a complete comparison since they used the 4 vs 6 cylinder.
@@vauxmoto9096 don’t have that problem in Texas 🥱
@@vauxmoto9096 If you're stupid by living in a frozen hell, then yes it'll be a problem. Otherwise, it's not an issue.
@@csisco7727 I’m in Texas as well, and it was sarcasm.
Clutch Start Cancel is good for using the starter to help you over an obstacle. You can also use it with a remote start (yes they do exist for manuals)
Truck King did a great demonstration of this in a video they put out last week.
If both of them would cost the same, yes I'll prefer the new one but truck prices nowadays are really crazy.
I use the clutch start cancel all the time. Usually in the winter so I don't have to actually get in the truck to start it. Always make sure it's in neutral.
SofTopper? To quote Letterkenny: “Hard No”
Pitter patter.
I prefer the soft topper because it is light weight & I could remove it without having to call soneone to help me.
Lost me at automatics.
Dealers can't get those manual transmissions. You will see.
@@waynes.2983 The issue is durability. Even with proper care the elements, sun, snow, rain, wind, dirt, branches, misc trolls threw at it, etc, etc, all-cause it to deteriorate within years.
I just got rid of my ‘19 manual TRD, I got tired of the 3.5. I drove my wife’s 4Runner, now we have 2 4runners.
What was wrong with it. I have an 18 manual and find it's plenty good.
@@Pengowirr Drive a 2nd gen Tacoma with the 4.0L with manual or auto and you'll discover much more bottom end torque. Yes the 3rd gen with 3.5L technically has more power, but you've gotta rev the engine to the moon to find it.
The "clutch start cancel" is for when you're on a steep hill. You won't have to do the clutch/brake/throttle tango.
Smart
I have also used it when I had my 1990 Toyota for when I was stuck, it lurches forward without having to waste your clutch, it works like popping the clutch.
Beats using tape on the switch by the clutch peddle
No it’s to start it in the morning and let it warm up!
@@JAMESWUERTELE 😆🤣 good one 👍
I love my 95 Tacoma 4wd V6 5spd bought it new in early 96. It is low mileage for it's age at 187k and I have never had any problems with it. I keep it well maintained and have invested a fair sum into equipping for my overlanding/daily driver rig. At 68 I seriously doubt I will ever need to replace it and don't know why I would. I like the simplicity and effectiveness it offers. I live in Colorado and yet to have any rust issues and when I kick the bucket my stepson will no doubt inherit it. I have been offered as much as 25k and have turned every offer down to sell it. I doubt I could buy any comparable truck to replace it with. Yes I call it my Taco Supreme.
That's cute 😂
A six foot bed used to be called a "shortbed", for good reason. Anything less than six foot is just a styling cue for soccermoms.
I have also used the Clutch Start Cancel button for when I was stuck, it lurches forward without having to waste your clutch, it works like popping the clutch. Back when I had my 1990 Toyota P/U with the 2.4l.
I had a 2000 4 Runner 5 speed and 2001 Tacoma auto. Both were bulletproof units. Still wish I had the 4runner
You guys wanna redo this video with my 04 trd offroad with literally every option other than the leather seats? Lol. And its a 5-speed.
I have the 2019 TRD Pro manual, and I absolutely love this truck! Clutch free start makes it easier for a remote start to be installed, which is a welcome option on cold mornings up here in the Tetons. Just have to remember to engage the clutch free when getting out of the truck at night.
Man that 2021 lunar rock is lookin beautiful. Some people hate the trd pro decals but I think it looks great! Expensive but I love it.
I’m guessing the old Tacoma is going on TFL Bids?? Tommy giving the ol’ used car salesman go around.
They are planning to auction and donate to charity.
I love how the old Tacoma is so simple and all the mechanical windows and locks and stuff is just less that can go wrong and mess up like window and mirror motors and in cold areas heated seats and sunroof seals and motors as well
Bought my 2002 regular cab pre runner with the 2.7 liter 4 banger brand new and 19 years later it’s still my daily workhorse.
Man I love my 97 taco single cab with the 3.4 and it’s manual 🔥
Lots of comment about the soft top...I have a 02 with a custom aluminum cap built local in San Bernardino, it's cool & people ask about it all the time. Big enough for a camper rig
Always liked these side by sides with the old and new. Pretty incredible to see how far we’ve come
My daily driver is 04 Tacoma 4 dr SR5 5sp 4x4. 295k miles replaced timing chain twice has been the biggest maintenance expense. When it dies I won't blink when buying another Tacoma. I live in the desert so no rust issues but I'm pretty good at replacing door handles..
I've had my manual 2020 TRD Off Road for a couple months now and it's been fantastic 🤘
Interesting comparison, great video Tommy!
I had a stripped 2wd work truck tacoma when I was in high school. Bought it for 10k new sold it for 9k to get a mkiv golf😑 NEVER buy a Volkswagen.
You went from one end of the reliability spectrum to the other. Thanks for sharing your painful lesson.
You can buy them in Germany, cheap parts can be found everywhere and most things are a DIY job.
That said, our Mk4 needs 2 to 4 repairs each year: ignition coil, lambda sensor, power-windows (both sides), broken plastic hoses, ...
But is still has less rust than my newer Toyota Yaris (Echo).
@@tsd560ti6 worst. car. ever.
Always buy an Audi.
I owned one of these old small Tacoma’s with 4x4. It had 300k miles and still ran like a new truck. Unfortunately the rust on the frame was too dangerous to keep it going. Best vehicle I’ve ever owned.
Clutches are great until you have an injury to your knee. I use to only have clutch vehicles until I hurt my knee. That was the last time i ever own a clutched vehicle. Experience is more important than what you like.
Love my third gen! 60,000 miles so far not one issue. Couple of bolt ons and tune and it’s a very fun reliable daily.
You guys have to stop putting those soft toppers on every truck, they look terrible and cheap. Just ruin the entire look of the truck
Agreed
@@billseiler4952 they were probably sponsored. If it at least had windows it would look better and that beige doesn't match silver!
Definitely sponsorship. Personally, I would have declined the sponsorship because how horrible they look.
@@uncleTedK they would need to pay me... and even then I may decline.
@@uncleTedK We talked about many different routes. We considered buying a used hardtop but we’ve got some cool plans that will make the softopper super usable
Nooooooooooo, not another soft topper. Sorry guys, it's just ugly. Functional I guess, but looks😬
They must be sponsored.
That thing is coming off if I buy it lol
@@MrMeowgi They are. They mentioned it in the install video on the raptor if I remember right
Well they sponsored them so... 🤷. I prefer hard topper.
Didn't care for the new Taco until I saw the 6-speed.
Manual is awesome
@@terrynichol577 That and the Tacoma's automatic is terrible.
@@giovanni4436 yeah, I've had both. To be honest the automatic transmission is not even actually that bad after a few thousand miles on it it actually sorts itself out and it's fine. I ended up getting in an accident anyways, and then going with the manual transmission, and I won't look back. Still not a lot of power, but great trucks overall
@@terrynichol577 I've heard pedal commanders make a big difference.
@@terrynichol577 I think you get used to the way it shifts, but the gearing will always be a pain. 6th gear is just a dog, particularly on long haul trips, when you're all loaded up, or when you're going through hilly passes. You get tired of fighting with the transmission and the way it constantly needs another gear. Also, the mileage sucks because the thing always lugs. It's just geared way too tall.
My 04 Colorado has been a great truck too..not as well made as a Tacoma of course but with the manual and the 4cyl with 180 hp it does everything I need. No issues really.
I had an old Tacoma with manual transmission. Toyota had that clutch cancel button on them from even before mine.
It can be used it in 2 situation:
- starting the truck without sitting in it (to warm it up or cool it down; no remote start back then) was convenient since mine was also lifted.
Just traded my 07 FJ for 13 Taco TRD off road - SO SOLID!!! I see why people rave about Tacoma's now. Hard to find'em in CO - drove 1100 miles to get it.
The clutch start button is great in the winter, I put my Tacoma in neutral and can start it without totally getting in the seat when I’m cleaning the snow off the rest of the truck.
My dad had a ‘89 4Runner, and it had the same button, they’ve been on manual Toyota’s for a long time.
Thanks for the comparison!
I use the 'Clutch Start Cancel' to start the truck on cold mornings without getting all the way in to push the clutch pedal in. Also useful to use as you did to take off uphill without risking a backwards roll.
saw a dude get his truck out of a river when he stalled it out using the starter in gear.
PLEASE run that manual TRD pro up the ike! Curious to see how it compares to the auto's you've done in the past.
My 2004 Stock double cab Tacoma 4x4 has V6, automatic tranny, power locks/windows/mirrors and key fob. I bought it new in 2004 and have put only 58k miles on it. No accidents, no rust (I live in the northwest) and no damage other than a few door dings. I am convinced I will die before this truck does, and I have A LOT of living left to do. With a high enough offer, I might be willing to sell it, but I love this truck, so it will have to be a very generous offer.
Clutch start cancel is mostly for off road situations you may get yourself into where you need the truck to smoothly move forward or pull itself out. But you can use it for whatever makes you happy. It was also available on the Nissan Pro4x Xterra that had manuals. I would guess the Frontier Pro4x had it too, not really sure though. Old (very old) vehicles also do this but don't have a button for it because you never needed to push the clutch in to start them. Clutch in to start is a safety feature that became standard many, many years ago.
Really liking the Tacoma content right now. Looking to get my hands on one in the future
One of the reasons I love the 1st gen was the size. Also it was the first yota truck that you could get that sweet 3.4l engine. Perfect combo. I love my 1999 yota.
The only thing I miss that the newer gen has is the tow weight. I'd love to be able to tow 6500 on my 1st gen.
Surreal to watch you demo these on my real life commute - Boulder ❤️
I always choose function over form. These old Tacomas are great. No gadgets, no bells and whistles. Love your review.
Don't see too many single cabs around, but the cab-and-a-half and crew cab first gens are about equally prevalant here in upstate SC. Love this comparison and all of y'all's news, views, and real-world reviews!
When the old Tacoma was sold. It was NOT meant to be a family vehicle. It was a second vehicle meant to work. That's it.
That was an excellent comparison. I love the no-clutch start feature. Could be a life saver on a steep track.
The low seating seems to be a global thing. My Fortuner (Aus) is similar (even with the seat adjusted to max height) so I use a back support cushion as a sort of booster wedged into the corner of the seat and backrest, partially under my butt. It lifts me up enough to be more comfortable without my head hitting the ceiling (I am 6ft 1), although I have to duck to get my head out of the door.
The clutch cancel button is there in case of failure of the clutch cancel switch on the pedal. I had that happen on an old 86 Toy PU. The mechanic and I could think of a few situations you might need to start it in 1st gear. 4 wheeling for example. But neither of us knew anyone who needed it for that. But it can be used for that. He said he did occasionally see failure of that switch. I can say I was very glad it was there!
You can also keep a vehicle from rolling backwards by putting your foot half way on the brake pedal and rock your foot on the gas pedal. I use to do that all the time from stop on a steep hill with manual transmission.
The Clutch Start Cancel has been a feature on manual Nissan Frontier and Xterras since 2005 (at least). It's for use in low-range if you stall going up a hill; it allows you to restart the engine without rolling back or having to balance on the clutch (turning the clutch into expensive smoke for some drivers) to get going again. It's typically not used in high-range due to the extra wear and tear on the starter. I mostly use mine to start the vehicle in the driveway so it can warm up while I scrape the windows off.
Those soft toppers are hideous! They couldn’t give me one for free , and pay me $200 a month to keep it on !
I loved my 2004, but it was just a tad too small for me. I felt like everything was a few inches too low, the seat, the controls, the dash, ect. I still miss that truck.
Love the 1st gen
One interesting similarity is the cruise control. Its in the exact same location and functions the same in both the new and old tacos. The knob has also changed very little design wise.
I made that exact (almost) upgrade last year. My '97 had 260K on it and worked perfect. But I love the '20 TRD OR with the double cab long bed.
Great comparison Tommy. You are correct about the seating arrangement. It is the main reason I went with a Tundra. My son has a 2015 Tacoma and the seating position is just too close to the floor board.
My 1992 V6 5spd extra cab 4X4 had the Clutch Start Cancel too. Handy off road.
I used the clutch start cancel in my ‘89 Pickup in certain off-road situations (climbing a ledge) when you don’t want to roll back. In Low-range- it’s pretty drama-free.
95-04 baby tacomas, 00-06 baby tundras, 91-12 baby rangers, 88-98 full size GM p/u. My personal "favorite best trucks" list.
I use the clutch start cancel button in my '99 for starting the engine while still standing outside the cab. Typically when I want to let it warm up while I scrape snow off.
I've got an 07 taco, I use the clutch start cancel when I'm parked and I want to start the truck to warm it up (in the winter). It's a heck of a lot easier than getting in and pushing the clutch when I just want it to warm up for instance when I'm delayering after snowboarding.
I had a 2000 extended cab Tacoma. Was sorry I didn't wait a year... The 2001's started with the crew cab (4 door). But I did love mine, it took everything I threw at it (6cyl, 5spd stick).
I have a 97 3.4L v6 4x4 ext cab taco, and it has the same clutch start button, i have used it when i want to start the engine without having to hop inside, like when I'm doing repairs and diagnostics.
I got a 96 extended cab , 5 speed stick shift 4x4 for 1k with a blown engine, fix it up and its running like a champ, not need for me to buy an overprice "trd pro"
Looking at all that non power stuff in the 02 Tacoma makes me want it even more.
My Dad bought a 98 Tacoma Pre-Runner new. It had the 2.7L 4cyl. and 4-spd automatic. He loved that truck, but it was very uncomfortable for more than about an hour and the interior quality left a lot to be desired. Cheap looking, mismatched color plastics and parts that looked like they came right out of the Tercel. The powertrains are what made them good, not so much what was around them, but that's pretty typical of Toyota, even today.
I always used my clutch start cancel to start the truck without getting in. Winter starts to warm the truck while clearing snow off it.
I put 488K miles on my Toyota over 24 years.
I desperately needed another pickup but I definitely Didn’t want the redesigned 24 Tacoma 4cyl Turbo.
On 2/29/24 I found a slightly used (6K mile) 23 Tacoma TRD Off Road, Premium pkg, 6’ bed.
It was Exactly what I was looking for. The book price was $51,500, but I paid $48K.
The first week of ownership I installed a K&N cold air intake.
Next will be a Flowmaster Flow FX dual exhaust.
Now if they could just put a manual transmission in the Tundra......
I have a 2nd gen Tacoma 4.0 6 speed and the only time I've found the clutch start cancel button useful is to start the truck without climbing in. I've never used it on a hill or off-road like everyone says.
I’m 20k miles in on my 2020 model and I use the cancel clutch almost every time I start it. I usually start and let it run a couple minutes before I leave the house; keeps me from having to jump in and out.
Do the 2021 trd pro tacomas have the cut outs for a bed platform in the bed of the truck like the previous year?
Great video! Any plans to do a 3rd Gen taco comparison Auto vs Manual off road. Mainly the manual vs Terrain select and crawl control. Maybe getting unstuck or low traction tests?
Great video Tommy!
I used to own a 1999 tacoma.I boughtit new. It was extend cab 4x4 2.7l. It had a 5spd manual transmission. I sold it with 200,000 miles on it in 2010. It was a good truck.
You can totally do the clutch cancel at home, that’s why it’s a factory option. This starting method was common on old ranch Jeeps with bad brakes in mountains in my area.
Thanks Tommy, how is the room in the front seats? I'm 6'4" and 275 pounds (could lose a few for sure, new years resolution) last time I tried I did not fit, I heard it got bigger? Also I think the last Canadian TFL Tacoma off road review wasn't flattering about the seating position. just wondering if I could fit comfortably and i'd be getting one. Tundra is very nice and spacious insided but just too big for what I need.
My '86 4runner has the clutch safety cancel. Though that option on the TRD pro now makes me understand the key, while my '19 TRD OR has a push button start.