@@breadlover302 no its not its redemption story Jonh fortgot about that shit But he needed them dead to get his family back It becomes revenge when you control jack
I love the revolution sub plot. I remember burning down the rebels village and feeling bad for what I had just done. There’s this stupid “GaMer gIrL” named Suzy and instead of experiencing the story her horse had died and she was like “mY HoRsE dIeD!” And I recalled it annoyed me how people could be so clueless to what it is that they do and experience. The entire situation you were just involved in was essentially an army destroying a peasant settlement out of retaliation for what the rebels were doing, and you’re upset that your horse died?
When you complete the game and purchase the last available news paper theres an article talking about how Abraham basically became corrupt and tyrannical. It also mentions that he's in the mints of a bloody civil war.....which sounds familiar
Ubaid Ullah I’ll give red Dead 2 that it has better graphics in the sense that it looks more like real human beings but it’s too shiny. That’s the main thing I don’t like about film and games today are they are too polished when real life isn’t that shiny. So RDR 1 wins in the more realistic in that sense it feels more dulled down in polishing which is how the world looks. And it’s more a western in story, atmosphere, style just everything. But I love both games they are masterpieces☺️ like if they ever remake this game they need the character type models from RDR2 and take John from when he escapes sisika and put it in the RDR 1 world with the grittiness and style and feel of RDR 1
@@TrippyStefTV idk but it's supposed to be a videogame and not real life, also it's an artstyle. Nothing really is too shiny in the game, I mean shine on objects etc. In other games THEY are shinny as fuck e.g Gears 5 (the shine looks great tho in Gears5 and generally in games) the only "shinning" in RDR2 comes from the light, the lighting in the game is insane, looks supremely beautiful, it's just that it is the artstyle of RDR2 and I I love it, the most strong feature of RDR2!
@@zekeiwa5837 That usually happens when the dialogue writer doesnt have a native speaker guiding him. Though this game had an excellent dialogue writing
I thought it was a reference to animal farm, when the corrupted pig ruler sleeps in the bed of the dude who owned the farm, which was supposedly prohibited.
Apparently the "Dutch's Pet" random camp dialogue that can happen while John and Bill are drunk was Bill's voice actor's favourite dialogue exchange to record
That's usually how it goes guy fights with support and good extentions wins and after a year or so becomes just as bad if not worse than the one before
I know a lot of the dialogue seems more dry then it feels that it should be but remember that RDR2 was not in mind when they made the first one. There was no basis or backstory to work off of.
That's why I get a little mad when people bag on John. I don't care if you like Arthur better. But to be fair you can interact with EVERYONE in rdr2 with more storylines. You also are in a gang in rdr2 while rdr1 is a lone mission. Now if they did a remake of rdr1 where you can talk with NPCs and the stuff you can do in #2 that would be awesome!
@@deadchanneldontwatch7347 He said he COULDN'T go back to Mexico at the time because he was wanted dead or alive, the same way the Van Der Linde gang was wanted by the Pinkertons
I'm really happy that they established the deeper history between these men after the fact- since it makes this scene so much more tragic. Like they were brothers for years, and this is the last moment between them. Just shows the brutality of the dying West.
Not really the point. It was more about the contrast of how things were compared to how they ended up between to old gang mates and not much to do with the brutality of the old west
@@ethanpatterson96thagoat15 idk dude the game pretty much is constantly showing you the brutality of the west. I mean when are you not killing in these games.
@@maj1166 Overall I agree with you. That said, I think it'd be more accurate to say that Red Dead shows off the brutality of a *charicature* of the west. The actual west was brutal but nowhere near as violent as Read Dead is. If someone like John or Arthur existed irl, they'd be the most notorious serial killers in Earth's recorded history.
@@CheekiTikiare you kidding? Blood meridian is a TRUE STORY. The wild west was far WORSE when it came to violence. Now by 1911 this was mostly coming to an end I agree even still world war was right around the corner.
Does he though? In the game, John describes Javier as some kind of psychopath wannabe romantic who only cared about Dutch and only spoke Spanish to use profanity
@@biggusdickus4748 Yeah it’s still pretty good but ngl when I first saw this game I thought it looked great but coming back after like RDR2 it looks a lot more outdated but still the graphics are great
When I first played the game I killed Javier, and Bill. Screw them, right? They left me for dead. After RDR2 i pitied Javier and didnt have the heart to kill him. Bill I tried to take quietly, but he pulled the gun - and I blasted him.
@leo Wtf is wrong with you? Just because you're too stupid to have decent grammar? Let him type how he fucking wants and stop being a complaining little bitch ffs.
people in the comments saying it should’ve been more emotional, but you have to remember that this was in 2010. all people knew was that williamson and john were in a gang. it’s a lot different after rdr2.
Bill gave me the impression that he was basically a useful idiot. No brains but if he was told what to do he was capable. It's honestly amazing he made it as long as he did.
I disagree I think he's alot more clever then what he seems, of course at times he's a bumbling idiot and isn't exactly book smart but he isn't dumb as bricks. In rdr2 his heist the he plans is the only one not to go sideways and makes the most money. The explosives was Arthur's fault but he makes fun of Bill for it. Bill realised early we needed to stop fucking with Cornwall and that the gang under appreciated him. He's definitely useful and alot more clever then he seems
@@lewanbroski504 He ain't clever, he's dumb idiot.. Sean's death becasue of him and a loyal fool. I don't feel nothing about his death, but javier however
Bill has no brains but he really creepy person like micah you can see it on mission where bill's gang killed on Ridgewood's farm family and other one was r###d and hanged
Swagg Surfer I have John clean cut, Max respect, and extremely rich in RDR2... It’s hard to imagine him not being like this later on. Besides, he’s younger throughout all of RDR2. Wisdom comes with age.
Marlene Bellic Hmm, same. Many times before and after 16 as well... Rough childhood. I’m still getting there, I’m sure there are more hardships ahead that’ll teach me more hard lessons.
@@johnjohnson201 I just assumed the government guys stole his money and weapons when they came and took away his family just to be bigger assholes or we can just chock it up to bad writing
John Marston: *"If you win Power, remember why you wanted it."* Wow, that's a pretty good Foreshadow, when Abraham becomes just as a freaking Tyrant as the last one.
Bill: You always was a weak minded! John: Your the one who let Dutch drive you insane! Bill: Dutch wanted you dead! We all did! Me: Micah poisoned your mind with his lies to you, Dutch and Javier!!!
Dude RDR1 felt much more like a western game. It really gave those Lone Ranger/The Good, The Bad And The Ugly vibes and you really felt like you were in the wild west. Even though RDR2 is set in a year that was much more proper to the western style ( I doubt that in 1911, year of RDR1, there were much outlaws remaining) it doesn't give you that much of a vibe, in my opinion because of the landscapes and biomes of the map.
It's because rdr2 was much more focused on the gang's story and how it falls plus rdr1 map in rdr2 is locked so that's why the biomes don't feel like cowboy(ish). Once you finish the story you get to experience the same joy as rdr1 again.
RDR2 wasn't really meant to be a typical western, although once you finish the game you can go to back to New Austin and it really feels like a western when you're going around killing bandits or robbing people
Plus rdr2 is literally pushing the gang closer and closer to civilisation, the more we progress the more we see bigger towns, more laws, better places to live until we get straight to Saint Denis
@@AidanFarren-Hart I haven't played rdr1 in a while but I literally never got bored of the gameplay while in RDR2 I found myself bored a lot. The gameplay felt extremely repetitive despite the amazing story and characters.
I think that John still respected Bill despite his change and had hoped that there was still something good in him, which is why he gave the choice in Fort Mercer either to present himself or John forces him to. Later in Mexico shortly before Bill's death, John had recognized that Bill is no longer the man he got on well with and becomes what he feared, which is why John hoped to be able to redeem him with death. Maybe before he was killed, John had thought of his former comrades like Dutch, Bill, Javier and even Arthur, which is why he asked for forgiveness as he had no choice and hopes that his actions will be forgiven.
I doubt John cared for Bill at all at that point, I believe he lost all respect for him at Beaver Hallow after he sided with Dutch. Maybe at Fort Mercer he was willing to talk to him and had some ounce of respect for him, but I doubt it, by the time he shot him and found out what he and his gang did in New Austin. I truly think he was just willing to kill or capture him.
I think this whole respect thing applies to Javier more than Bill, he at least with Javier they were close before even calling each other “brother”. But same as Bill, I think John lost respect for him. But John does look like he wipes a tear from his eye when you kill him.
@@CJ-hx9du well think about it, Bill has expressed his loyalty to Dutch alot in RDR2. There are multiple times around the camp fire that he says whoever isn't loyal to Dutch needs to leave because they all need to stick by him no matter what. Bill has stated that Dutch saved his life, he sees Dutch as his second chance at life. He was down in the dumps and was on a path to certain self destruction and he saw Dutch as a beacon of hope, another reason to live. So him siding with Dutch through all of it isn't really that surprising and, in fact it would be somewhat detrimental to his character if he were to all of a sudden side with Arthur over Dutch given how Bill constantly talked about Dutch as his saving grace. However, the actor who portrayed Bill, Steve Palmer said that if Arthur or John or even Abigail went up to Bill and told him how much they care about him, how they consider him family and that they love him, Bill would've most definitely chose to side with Arthur because Bill was always lost trying to find assurance from others in the gang trying to see if they really care about him and Bill only got that feeling from Dutch therefore siding with him all the way until the end. Then by RDR1, Bill is older, thinner and much more sinister in his right because he feels absolutely abandoned and betrayed given how Dutch left him at the end. Javier as well, Javier felt completely abandoned by Dutch thus going back to Mexico to take his chances there and feeling like he no longer has a home in the west so he went back to a place that he considered his only home.
@@MrBlack252 Dutch was good to Arthur at one point and Arthur was highly loyal. But Dutch was getting more and more evil and selfish. He abandoned John. He abandoned Abigail. He killed that random lady in Guarma. Kept getting the gang in brutal gun fights. Kept listening to Micah who was evil. Didn't help Molly who we later found out was not the snitch.
“i doubt you’ll even remember me abraham, but it’s been an experience” is the most accurate thing to say to that man... so strange and so drunk. LMFAOOO
Damn lol the way he just shoots Bill is so quick and like nothing his life was taken away. Almost anti climatic but very realistic. Felt kinda sad and harsh, like watching a gore video
WELL I’M GOING AFTER HIM NEXT!! I’LL OUTLIVE ALL OF YOU!!!!!!! That line was so satisfying. Just shows how dedicated John was to get his family back from the agency and how far he’s willing to go just to get to Dutch.
Oh man... when i started Red dead redemption 2 i didn’t remember any of this game, bill seemed like such a good guy. Edit: nah don’t mind i mixed bill with pearson, phck bill
Bill wasn't that bad a guy honestly. He was simple and a drunk and occasionally aggressive but he had a good heart. When he was comfortable he was cool with the gang if awkward and he genuinely seemed like he loved them in his way (he leads the charge in trying to save Jack for example) Problem was he was the most dependent on the Dutch's philosophy and he clinged to Dutch the figure rather than his real family. Once that died he gave up and became a monster that nobody could argue needed to die. The sad part about Bill and Javier is that unlike Micha there was a point where maybe they could have been like John or Arthur and outgrew their dependency but they never could.
Rdr2 might be the "better" game, but it will never be "cooler" game - the music, the atmosphere, the dialogues, the dirty, gnarly, dark vibe... rdr1 is something else man, it is unmatched.
I like how people say it was hard to put down Bill in this scene…how? He was ALWAYS an insufferable aggressive loudmouth, Javier was at least a loyal companion before turning evil.
Mexico as cool as it was, seems where the crunch and cut content really started to show up. Bill has alot of lead up, and instead of this big fight between the two, as well as a hunt or somethin Alliende and Bill are together at the finale ties up the plot easily. Theres old screenshots where bill is at the chuparosa bar, along with a John Marston with more detail and darker hair than the released game. Hope we get that remaster
After playing rdr2 it feels more sad to kill those people..and the story itself sadder too..especially javier as he didn't betray anyone back then and i kinda feel bad for him
I just came back and played this game after years and realised how little screen time Bill and Javier have especially Bill seeing as he’s the main antagonist until his death.
I understand this came out before RDR2 was even a thought and they didnt know they'd give Bill a lot more to do, but this death still sucks. Even without RDR2, he was basically the main villain for half the game. Should have gotten a better death.
Matt Preston I always liked bill and when I heard he was the bad guy in RDR 1 I was expecting a bit more with his death it didn’t feel emotional like Dutch at least John couldn’t pull the trigger bc Dutch was like a father to him his whole life
Tyler Howell Dude read my comment again before you reply. I clearly stated That Abraham looks the way Dutch does in RDR2 when the gang is stranded on Guarma after the failed robbery in St Denis. Never said anything about Abraham being in Red Dead 2.
Now that you mention it: Abraham parallels Dutch in a lot of ways, as both are charismatic if narcissistic revolutionaries who prove themselves to be no better than the forces they were against. Plus, both had mistresses who loved them genuinely but they didn't love back and died for nothing(and coincidentally by being shot in the same area, their stomachs). John was aware of that and that's why despite the civility he treats Reyes, he is contemptuous of Reyes, especifically because he sees a lot of Dutch in the man.
no matter how much i love rdr2 there is no wild west atmosphere in it, just look at this video it feels like 60s spagetti western movies; the air, gun shots, buildings everything fits as it should and then there is rdr2 its like Gta 1900...
I grew up with RDR1 and theyre both my favorite games (RDR1 & 2) With that being said, I think RDR2 serves more as a period piece and character study than a western. Fuck, a lot of the game u spend in the East.
Were people not really confused when playing RDR1? Did it just tell you you're hunting people you used to know and leave the rest open to interpretation (until RDR2)?
That’s basically how it went and when I played it as a kid, I’d sometimes feel like I couldn’t follow the story completely. But replaying it years later (even before RDR2 had come out), I noticed that a lot of backstory is carried through dialogue. I do still wonder whether that’s just due to Rockstars writing style at the time, or if they went into the game with the plan of fleshing it out in a prequel later.
@@FalcoMoment i dont know what the other commenter was smoking because it was super easy to follow the story when i played this at 14. Throughout the game john consistently speaks about his old gang life with bill, javier, and dutch so you get a good grasp on your motivations and history of the character
@@ethanpatterson96thagoat15 I mean I wasn't saying it's hard to follow, I said I had trouble following it as a kid *because* it's carried through dialogue. Being rude even though we agree is a weird look lol
I understood it pretty easily since I understand the english language well and am capable of processing words and stories that John Marston constantly tells the people around him throughout the game.
I remember playing this for the first time. I spent too much time trying to decide which gun to use and where to shoot him, then that Mexican guy finished him off. Pretty unsatisfying
Considering I didn't know about Red dead Redeption 1 first until I played Red Dead Redemption 2. Killing these characters were really emotional, for all the adventures they went through and just wanted to start a new life in Tahiti. Bill here despite being known as dumb, he's the one who planned the ONLY SUCCESFUL bank heist of the gang, in Valentine.
I would try rdr soundtrack punta orgullo. Im not sure if its this one but surely the right one is in the recommendations. Edit: It sounds almost identically. I guess its this one.
I got an “Infinite Galaxy” ad before this vid. Some chick was on her knees next to a crying baby, and DAYUM was she cheekin. I wish it hadn’t ended so quickly.
Instead of making rdr3 they should remaster this one with dialogue of Arthur and the rdr2 graphics and physics that would be the best childhood present
Nah not really I highly doubt it would sell as much, now don’t get me wrong I love these two game however I wouldn’t spend another $60 just to hear Arthur be mentioned max like what 15 times An RDR3 that either follows Arthur joint the gang or a new story all together with new characters and all that would be better not just financially but also for the fans. Although it’s odd that Arthur isn’t mentioned at all it’s somewhat explained with the fact that John doesn’t like talking about them and given the fact that Arthur is dead the pinckertons wouldn’t even give a shit about him. As for Arthur being mentioned I could only see it in a like two scenes with Dutch this one with bill the next would be when he sees Javier and that’s a maybe. The only other case would be jack and Abigail given how close they were to him. So remastering RDR1 and changing entire scenes just to mention Arthur a bit wouldn’t sell much IMO especially given the backwards compatibility and the popularity of RDR2
If they make a ground-up remake of RDR, they'll need to rewrite and revoice a lot of this game. The writing of 2 was so much sharper and more impactful than how Javier and Bill and treated in this original game. I also wouldn't mind having the ability to capture Bill, but this is the dying west, after all.
@@Pelican07.23 yeah, two years removed from this comment I can tell you're absolutely right. It was a decent starting point for them in 2 compared to seeing just glimpses of them in the original game.
Really he seemed rough around the edges but cool to me. Led the charge trying to save Jack, tried to be nice to Kieran once he got to know him even though he was awkward, outgrew his initial racism with Lenny to really like and work well with the kid. He was awkward and an idiot sometimes but up until the gang fell apart he was one of the best characters imo.
Easiest way to do this mission: After he heads out on the carriage, instead of going through the back doors chasing him, go back through the front doors. Call your horse and ride around the back, the carriage will come down the trail, kill the driver and that's basically it.
When I first played this mission, I was bumped into during the part where I was supposed to shoot Bill, then I couldn't move anymore nor aim my weapon. The game's script broke itself and ruined the perfect moment I was waiting for.
You can really hear John's anger here. He might have put the past behind him to try and live normally, but he never forgot how Bill, Dutch, and Javier betrayed him. It's ironic that Bill calls John a traitor, but Bill was the one who chose Dutch over John; he betrayed his "brother" back then without a second thought. Now, years later, he gets the chance to roast Bill over the coals for it, and takes it.
They were close in RDR2, but in RDR1 we see a John that is very mad due to his family being taken. We also see a Bill, Javier and Dutch that have gone crazy over the last years. With everything that has happened it's only natural they were so angry at eachother.
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After RDR2, killing all these people feels much less satisfying and a lot more sad
Swan Ronson you don’t have to kill any of them. Reyes can kill Bill, you can capture Javier, and Dutch kills himself
@uwu owo ye except for Javier though , he was one of my favorite characters in rdr2 so I didn't kill him
Especially Javier
RDR1 is a revenge story. Killing Bill was satisfying
@@breadlover302 no its not its redemption story
Jonh fortgot about that shit
But he needed them dead to get his family back
It becomes revenge when you control jack
Damn I still didn't give that hair pomade
Well he can't use it now
@@HRush-lu6fj lol
Can he use it in his bald head?
Ryan Yarnevich 12*
Homie is bad
"Allende is dead, Mexico is mine!" So much for being a freedom fighter.
I love the revolution sub plot. I remember burning down the rebels village and feeling bad for what I had just done. There’s this stupid “GaMer gIrL” named Suzy and instead of experiencing the story her horse had died and she was like “mY HoRsE dIeD!” And I recalled it annoyed me how people could be so clueless to what it is that they do and experience. The entire situation you were just involved in was essentially an army destroying a peasant settlement out of retaliation for what the rebels were doing, and you’re upset that your horse died?
If you look at Mexico's history its always like that
When you complete the game and purchase the last available news paper theres an article talking about how Abraham basically became corrupt and tyrannical. It also mentions that he's in the mints of a bloody civil war.....which sounds familiar
Power corrupts all. But in the famous words; "VIVA MEXICO!"
@JBryan314 Sure they are. You're kind of late to the party replying.
"Dutch, we just heard about Jack. Need some extra guns?"
Crazy right?
It hurts a lot how they were a family
I remember that scene. Bill sometimes talked to Jack in camp
@@alejandrodiazcervantes5552 its all because of MICAH THAT RAT
bill was my favorite non playable char in rdr2. Shame.
I remember thinking how realistic these horse movements were.
@Whiting and now it looks like horse ass
Ubaid Ullah no it looks great
@@TrippyStefTV compared to RDR2 I mean, looks kinda horse ass but both great games nonetheless
Ubaid Ullah I’ll give red Dead 2 that it has better graphics in the sense that it looks more like real human beings but it’s too shiny. That’s the main thing I don’t like about film and games today are they are too polished when real life isn’t that shiny. So RDR 1 wins in the more realistic in that sense it feels more dulled down in polishing which is how the world looks. And it’s more a western in story, atmosphere, style just everything. But I love both games they are masterpieces☺️ like if they ever remake this game they need the character type models from RDR2 and take John from when he escapes sisika and put it in the RDR 1 world with the grittiness and style and feel of RDR 1
@@TrippyStefTV idk but it's supposed to be a videogame and not real life, also it's an artstyle. Nothing really is too shiny in the game, I mean shine on objects etc. In other games THEY are shinny as fuck e.g Gears 5 (the shine looks great tho in Gears5 and generally in games) the only "shinning" in RDR2 comes from the light, the lighting in the game is insane, looks supremely beautiful, it's just that it is the artstyle of RDR2 and I I love it, the most strong feature of RDR2!
John always sounds like he's yelling
Uncle: Lumbago
Arthur: Tuberculosis
John: *Throat Cancer*
@@myers5059 lmao
He was.
Ikr? Especially in RDR2, when you greet someone he yells, “ *SIR!* “ or “ *BUDDY!* “
aRe yoU liSteNing tO ME?
Reyes says "Tonight, I sleep in your bed, you bastard." Before killing Allende.
A badass line to give before the kill.
i really hate those spanish lines in american movies/games. who the fuck says that? no human being talks like that
@@zekeiwa5837 It sounds normal in Spanish, it just comes out a bit odd when translated.
@@zekeiwa5837 That usually happens when the dialogue writer doesnt have a native speaker guiding him. Though this game had an excellent dialogue writing
I thought it was a reference to animal farm, when the corrupted pig ruler sleeps in the bed of the dude who owned the farm, which was supposedly prohibited.
All I asked of him was to get us some god damn money
Well Hosea, seems as though that won't happen now.
Hello old man.
Mr. Mayhem how gay are u
He has risen from the dead
@@crylouuu4879 too gay.... Way too gay
Remember john and bill drunk talking like friends.
Bill: I love liquor, but liquor don't love me
*pause*
John and Bill: HAHAHAHAHAHA
@@0slavsan0 i loved Bill at first then he turned
Milo Eriksson that’s something that really hurt, that Bill and Javier, sided with That rat over Arthur and John.
@@samuelfawell9159 javier was undecided and didnt know what was going on.. see his body reaction when the split occured.
Apparently the "Dutch's Pet" random camp dialogue that can happen while John and Bill are drunk was Bill's voice actor's favourite dialogue exchange to record
My favorite thing about RDR1 John is that he screams at everyone, even when they’re 2 feet away from him.
“If you win power don’t forget why you wanted it” and yet he became a dictator and no better than who he fought against
That's usually how it goes guy fights with support and good extentions wins and after a year or so becomes just as bad if not worse than the one before
John unintentionally reinforced Reyes' intentions lol
I guess will have to deal with this shit
welcome to politics amigo
I know a lot of the dialogue seems more dry then it feels that it should be but remember that RDR2 was not in mind when they made the first one. There was no basis or backstory to work off of.
That's why I get a little mad when people bag on John. I don't care if you like Arthur better. But to be fair you can interact with EVERYONE in rdr2 with more storylines. You also are in a gang in rdr2 while rdr1 is a lone mission. Now if they did a remake of rdr1 where you can talk with NPCs and the stuff you can do in #2 that would be awesome!
Jordan Gustafson not a remaster, a REMAKE , its not the same
@@elfather2045 There I changed it! Happy?
@@jordangustafson1365 I agree completely. John will forever be my favorite. Ruthless.
@Joel arthur didn't make john for shit. John was always his own man.
And Sadie told John that Mexico was too tough for him
and Javier also said he wouldn't go back to Mexico (RDR2)
@@deadchanneldontwatch7347 He said he COULDN'T go back to Mexico at the time because he was wanted dead or alive, the same way the Van Der Linde gang was wanted by the Pinkertons
He had a $1,000 bounty. He had to wait for revolution regime change to come back
That's cause she saw him as a little bitch
Women, right?
I'm really happy that they established the deeper history between these men after the fact- since it makes this scene so much more tragic. Like they were brothers for years, and this is the last moment between them. Just shows the brutality of the dying West.
Not really the point. It was more about the contrast of how things were compared to how they ended up between to old gang mates and not much to do with the brutality of the old west
@@ethanpatterson96thagoat15 idk dude the game pretty much is constantly showing you the brutality of the west. I mean when are you not killing in these games.
@@maj1166 Overall I agree with you. That said, I think it'd be more accurate to say that Red Dead shows off the brutality of a *charicature* of the west. The actual west was brutal but nowhere near as violent as Read Dead is. If someone like John or Arthur existed irl, they'd be the most notorious serial killers in Earth's recorded history.
@BradynLee but he is in mexico so the violence makes sense
@@CheekiTikiare you kidding? Blood meridian is a TRUE STORY. The wild west was far WORSE when it came to violence. Now by 1911 this was mostly coming to an end I agree even still world war was right around the corner.
Javier is the only sad one. You can hear on his voice that he still cares about John. So kudos to the writers and the voice actor. They nailed it.
Does he though? In the game, John describes Javier as some kind of psychopath wannabe romantic who only cared about Dutch and only spoke Spanish to use profanity
Haha you fell for his charm. Of course he never cared about John!
@@jesusoctaviosalgadopelayo2401he was the only one who wasn't defending aganist John, he was only running away
That’s sad how Abraham doesn’t even remember Louisa.
You mean Laura?
Ivan Conner-ridgeway He’s going to have a day named after her. Laura’s day
Hector Pereira it’s actually Luisa
@@firefighterstation3 who's luisa
Joseph Stalin lmao
They need to remaster this game.
Remaster it, and make it make more sense to rdr2, mention arthur Charles, and LENNY lol.
MIGHTparanormal No, it’s perfect. They won’t remaster it because Rockstar has a plan to get more moneh! You just have to have a little faith.
nah its fine.
It is remastered
I rather want a rdr3 than a remaster
Still remember watching my dad play Rdr1 as a kid. I thought this game had the best and most realistic graphics ive ever seen in a game.
Honestly they hold up
@@biggusdickus4748 Yeah it’s still pretty good but ngl when I first saw this game I thought it looked great but coming back after like RDR2 it looks a lot more outdated but still the graphics are great
Harley Oyelade crazy how in your memory games look uhd 16k then you come back and it’s crazy to see that wasn’t the case
Jeez how old are you kid? I was 14 when this game came out
@@ethanpatterson96thagoat15 Stop being so negative.
Knocked the pomade out of him
Eww
After his hat falls off you realize he doesn't need pomade anymore.
2:56 “Laura’s Day!”
John: “Luisa...”
I knew a laura to
When I first played the game I killed Javier, and Bill. Screw them, right? They left me for dead. After RDR2 i pitied Javier and didnt have the heart to kill him. Bill I tried to take quietly, but he pulled the gun - and I blasted him.
Terminator T-800 bruh
@@jimmybongoman2850 lmao it kinda funny ngl
When I played RDR I shot them no questions asked. After I played RDR2, I shot them until I ran out of bullets. I'm pissed that you cant kill Dutch.
@@GetERekted
Finally someone who gets it.
@leo Wtf is wrong with you? Just because you're too stupid to have decent grammar? Let him type how he fucking wants and stop being a complaining little bitch ffs.
people in the comments saying it should’ve been more emotional, but you have to remember that this was in 2010. all people knew was that williamson and john were in a gang. it’s a lot different after rdr2.
"I'll come quietly" *Reaches for gun*
As i recall that wasnt the first or last person to make that mistake with john marston lol
Bill gave me the impression that he was basically a useful idiot. No brains but if he was told what to do he was capable. It's honestly amazing he made it as long as he did.
I really tried killing him so much in rdr 2
I disagree I think he's alot more clever then what he seems, of course at times he's a bumbling idiot and isn't exactly book smart but he isn't dumb as bricks.
In rdr2 his heist the he plans is the only one not to go sideways and makes the most money. The explosives was Arthur's fault but he makes fun of Bill for it. Bill realised early we needed to stop fucking with Cornwall and that the gang under appreciated him. He's definitely useful and alot more clever then he seems
@@lewanbroski504 He ain't clever, he's dumb idiot.. Sean's death becasue of him and a loyal fool. I don't feel nothing about his death, but javier however
Bill has no brains but he really creepy person like micah you can see it on mission where bill's gang killed on Ridgewood's farm family and other one was r###d and hanged
"Dutch wanted you dead. We all did." Er, no, I'm pretty sure Arthur, Charles, and Sadie didn't.
He didn't mean "all" in a literal way, more like the majority
Funny to see this wise and respectable version of John Marston and then in RDR2 we get stuck with Jim Milton lmaaooo
Swagg Surfer I have John clean cut, Max respect, and extremely rich in RDR2... It’s hard to imagine him not being like this later on. Besides, he’s younger throughout all of RDR2. Wisdom comes with age.
@@johnjohnson201 wisdom and maturity comes with age. I learned it the hard way at 16
Marlene Bellic Hmm, same. Many times before and after 16 as well... Rough childhood. I’m still getting there, I’m sure there are more hardships ahead that’ll teach me more hard lessons.
@@marlenebellic449 I feel like people learn that at 16 - 22
@@johnjohnson201 I just assumed the government guys stole his money and weapons when they came and took away his family just to be bigger assholes or we can just chock it up to bad writing
I can't believe john would kill marion in cold blood like that
Nah that wasn't Marion, that was Bill, Marion was in RDR2
@@CardinalSinner same person as aren't they?
@@Sundowner13 Nah Marion was a fine fella, Bill is a degenerate bandit 😁
@@CardinalSinner they’re the same person 😂
@@gymsock24 nah fam, that's like saying that John Marston and Rip Van Winkle are the same person.
Bill, Javier and Dutch.... Their deaths hurt more than I ever thought
Especially Dutch’s I don’t care what anyone says is in the top 5 most saddest
Well you dont have to kill javier
Calle Manden you don’t have to kill bill either put your pretty much the reason why they died
Starrigby yeah but javier just got locked up we dont know if he got hanged
Calle Manden John says that javier doesn’t have long left after he ties him up
John Marston: *"If you win Power, remember why you wanted it."*
Wow, that's a pretty good Foreshadow, when Abraham becomes just as a freaking Tyrant as the last one.
I've played red dead redemption at least 5 times over the years and I never knew that you could just not shoot bill
Really!?!?
Moments like these feel a lot worse when you have played rdr2 before 1.
Bill: You always was a weak minded!
John: Your the one who let Dutch drive you insane!
Bill: Dutch wanted you dead! We all did!
Me: Micah poisoned your mind with his lies to you, Dutch and Javier!!!
Me: And now you're dead, Bill.
Micah while burning in hell: oh shit he’s right.
Mr. Mayhem nobody asked you
Fuck Micah he deserved worse!
Cedric Little Crow I shot him in his kneecaps a thousand times though...
Dude RDR1 felt much more like a western game. It really gave those Lone Ranger/The Good, The Bad And The Ugly vibes and you really felt like you were in the wild west. Even though RDR2 is set in a year that was much more proper to the western style ( I doubt that in 1911, year of RDR1, there were much outlaws remaining) it doesn't give you that much of a vibe, in my opinion because of the landscapes and biomes of the map.
It's because rdr2 was much more focused on the gang's story and how it falls plus rdr1 map in rdr2 is locked so that's why the biomes don't feel like cowboy(ish). Once you finish the story you get to experience the same joy as rdr1 again.
RDR2 wasn't really meant to be a typical western, although once you finish the game you can go to back to New Austin and it really feels like a western when you're going around killing bandits or robbing people
Thats good though. Both rdr1 and rdr2 offer different experiences, one doesnt substitute the other making them both valid and different western games
the best description i’ve seen is that RDR was more of a western game and RDR 2 was more of a country game
Plus rdr2 is literally pushing the gang closer and closer to civilisation, the more we progress the more we see bigger towns, more laws, better places to live until we get straight to Saint Denis
Hear me out, hear me out.
This game with RDR2’s engine and gameplay systems.
YES
No. RDR2 had worse gameplay.
@@charliekelly735 rdr1 is kind of outdated
I love RDR1, but I feel RDR2 _vastly_ improved the gameplay.
@@AidanFarren-Hart
I haven't played rdr1 in a while but I literally never got bored of the gameplay while in RDR2 I found myself bored a lot. The gameplay felt extremely repetitive despite the amazing story and characters.
in red dead 2 there is a random encounter with Javier were you can choose to save bill from bounty hunters funny how thinga change.
What are you speaking of?
The graphics are so good for a 2010 game.
Not really
@@subpain4257 ftw
I can just hear Arbiter, "We traded one villain for another"
Before RDR2: Anyways so I just started blasting
After RDR2: So long partner....
True
I think that John still respected Bill despite his change and had hoped that there was still something good in him, which is why he gave the choice in Fort Mercer either to present himself or John forces him to. Later in Mexico shortly before Bill's death, John had recognized that Bill is no longer the man he got on well with and becomes what he feared, which is why John hoped to be able to redeem him with death. Maybe before he was killed, John had thought of his former comrades like Dutch, Bill, Javier and even Arthur, which is why he asked for forgiveness as he had no choice and hopes that his actions will be forgiven.
I doubt John cared for Bill at all at that point, I believe he lost all respect for him at Beaver Hallow after he sided with Dutch. Maybe at Fort Mercer he was willing to talk to him and had some ounce of respect for him, but I doubt it, by the time he shot him and found out what he and his gang did in New Austin. I truly think he was just willing to kill or capture him.
I think this whole respect thing applies to Javier more than Bill, he at least with Javier they were close before even calling each other “brother”. But same as Bill, I think John lost respect for him. But John does look like he wipes a tear from his eye when you kill him.
" If you win power remember why you wanted it"
wise Marston
After playing RDR2, killing Bill has more weight to it and means Alot more. It also feels a little crappy.
Like putting down a once loyal dog who got rabies and turned feral. It's just miserable even if it's the right thing to do.
Bill deserved it for not siding with Arthur at the final stand off at Beaver Hollow. Same with Dutch and Javier.
@@danielyoung6778 this is actually a very good comparison and analogy. Well done
@@CJ-hx9du well think about it, Bill has expressed his loyalty to Dutch alot in RDR2. There are multiple times around the camp fire that he says whoever isn't loyal to Dutch needs to leave because they all need to stick by him no matter what. Bill has stated that Dutch saved his life, he sees Dutch as his second chance at life. He was down in the dumps and was on a path to certain self destruction and he saw Dutch as a beacon of hope, another reason to live. So him siding with Dutch through all of it isn't really that surprising and, in fact it would be somewhat detrimental to his character if he were to all of a sudden side with Arthur over Dutch given how Bill constantly talked about Dutch as his saving grace. However, the actor who portrayed Bill, Steve Palmer said that if Arthur or John or even Abigail went up to Bill and told him how much they care about him, how they consider him family and that they love him, Bill would've most definitely chose to side with Arthur because Bill was always lost trying to find assurance from others in the gang trying to see if they really care about him and Bill only got that feeling from Dutch therefore siding with him all the way until the end. Then by RDR1, Bill is older, thinner and much more sinister in his right because he feels absolutely abandoned and betrayed given how Dutch left him at the end. Javier as well, Javier felt completely abandoned by Dutch thus going back to Mexico to take his chances there and feeling like he no longer has a home in the west so he went back to a place that he considered his only home.
@@MrBlack252 Dutch was good to Arthur at one point and Arthur was highly loyal. But Dutch was getting more and more evil and selfish. He abandoned John. He abandoned Abigail. He killed that random lady in Guarma. Kept getting the gang in brutal gun fights. Kept listening to Micah who was evil. Didn't help Molly who we later found out was not the snitch.
“i doubt you’ll even remember me abraham, but it’s been an experience” is the most accurate thing to say to that man... so strange and so drunk. LMFAOOO
Damn lol the way he just shoots Bill is so quick and like nothing his life was taken away. Almost anti climatic but very realistic. Felt kinda sad and harsh, like watching a gore video
I remember John and Bill's drunk conversation at camp in RDR2, they talked to each other like brothers 😪
WELL I’M GOING AFTER HIM NEXT!! I’LL OUTLIVE ALL OF YOU!!!!!!! That line was so satisfying. Just shows how dedicated John was to get his family back from the agency and how far he’s willing to go just to get to Dutch.
Oh man... when i started Red dead redemption 2 i didn’t remember any of this game, bill seemed like such a good guy.
Edit: nah don’t mind i mixed bill with pearson, phck bill
Leave Pearson out of this 💀🤣🤣
Lmao
Bill wasn't that bad a guy honestly. He was simple and a drunk and occasionally aggressive but he had a good heart. When he was comfortable he was cool with the gang if awkward and he genuinely seemed like he loved them in his way (he leads the charge in trying to save Jack for example) Problem was he was the most dependent on the Dutch's philosophy and he clinged to Dutch the figure rather than his real family. Once that died he gave up and became a monster that nobody could argue needed to die. The sad part about Bill and Javier is that unlike Micha there was a point where maybe they could have been like John or Arthur and outgrew their dependency but they never could.
Rdr2 might be the "better" game, but it will never be "cooler" game - the music, the atmosphere, the dialogues, the dirty, gnarly, dark vibe... rdr1 is something else man, it is unmatched.
even though it is after rdr2 it feels more like a western
@@berjoxhn5142 RDR feels like a little low budget indie movie that ended up getting a Hollywood big budget blockbuster sequel.
Everything’s understandable in RDR1 after finishing RDR2.
Its interesting because I never played this and my first introduction to these characters were RDR2. Sad to see how its ended
After RDR2 I’m sure John felt so much pleasure taking care of those idiots who betrayed him and Arthur
I like how people say it was hard to put down Bill in this scene…how? He was ALWAYS an insufferable aggressive loudmouth, Javier was at least a loyal companion before turning evil.
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Rdr 1 remastered is what we need right now
I want Arthur Morgan prequels. I miss him.
@@CJ-hx9du bruh we don't need Arthur Morgan prequels. If you miss him, just start the story again and don't do missions.
@@Hamzaxx369 Yes we do
@@CJ-hx9du why would we need another game where Arthur is the main character?
@@Hamzaxx369 or even a side character like what John was here.
Allende is like Porfirio Diaz and Reyes is like Francisco I. Madero
We need more money.arthur.
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In Red Dead Porfirio Diaz is known as Ignacio Sanchez and Allende looks more like Victoriano Huerta or Bernardo Reyes
Mexico as cool as it was, seems where the crunch and cut content really started to show up.
Bill has alot of lead up, and instead of this big fight between the two, as well as a hunt or somethin Alliende and Bill are together at the finale ties up the plot easily.
Theres old screenshots where bill is at the chuparosa bar, along with a John Marston with more detail and darker hair than the released game.
Hope we get that remaster
After playing rdr2 it feels more sad to kill those people..and the story itself sadder too..especially javier as he didn't betray anyone back then and i kinda feel bad for him
He also helped saving John from getting his brains eaten by wolves.
I just came back and played this game after years and realised how little screen time Bill and Javier have especially Bill seeing as he’s the main antagonist until his death.
I understand this came out before RDR2 was even a thought and they didnt know they'd give Bill a lot more to do, but this death still sucks. Even without RDR2, he was basically the main villain for half the game. Should have gotten a better death.
Matt Preston I always liked bill and when I heard he was the bad guy in RDR 1 I was expecting a bit more with his death it didn’t feel emotional like Dutch at least John couldn’t pull the trigger bc Dutch was like a father to him his whole life
@@Jack.Martson im happy Bill died what an ass
@Arthur Payne Dumb inbred hick? Sounds like you're anti-white.
An rdr remake with taking into account the relationships that were fleshed out in rdr2 would be so much more satisfying.
Abraham looks like Dutch in Red Dead 2 when the gang is stranded in Guarma.
OpTic ViLLiAn he’s not in rdr 2 at all lol
Tyler Howell Dude read my comment again before you reply. I clearly stated That Abraham looks the way Dutch does in RDR2 when the gang is stranded on Guarma after the failed robbery in St Denis. Never said anything about Abraham being in Red Dead 2.
OpTic ViLLiAn my fault lol
Tyler Howell I forgive you
Now that you mention it: Abraham parallels Dutch in a lot of ways, as both are charismatic if narcissistic revolutionaries who prove themselves to be no better than the forces they were against. Plus, both had mistresses who loved them genuinely but they didn't love back and died for nothing(and coincidentally by being shot in the same area, their stomachs). John was aware of that and that's why despite the civility he treats Reyes, he is contemptuous of Reyes, especifically because he sees a lot of Dutch in the man.
I’ve always liked it how technically speaking, John doesn’t necessarily end up killing Bill.
I feel like they could have had more of a falling out in RDR2 same with Javier.
no matter how much i love rdr2 there is no wild west atmosphere in it, just look at this video it feels like 60s spagetti western movies; the air, gun shots, buildings everything fits as it should and then there is rdr2 its like Gta 1900...
I grew up with RDR1 and theyre both my favorite games (RDR1 & 2)
With that being said, I think RDR2 serves more as a period piece and character study than a western. Fuck, a lot of the game u spend in the East.
Were people not really confused when playing RDR1? Did it just tell you you're hunting people you used to know and leave the rest open to interpretation (until RDR2)?
That’s basically how it went and when I played it as a kid, I’d sometimes feel like I couldn’t follow the story completely. But replaying it years later (even before RDR2 had come out), I noticed that a lot of backstory is carried through dialogue. I do still wonder whether that’s just due to Rockstars writing style at the time, or if they went into the game with the plan of fleshing it out in a prequel later.
@@kapriolenkonig440
Just their writing, they had no sequel or prequel plans at the time
@@FalcoMoment i dont know what the other commenter was smoking because it was super easy to follow the story when i played this at 14. Throughout the game john consistently speaks about his old gang life with bill, javier, and dutch so you get a good grasp on your motivations and history of the character
@@ethanpatterson96thagoat15 I mean I wasn't saying it's hard to follow, I said I had trouble following it as a kid *because* it's carried through dialogue. Being rude even though we agree is a weird look lol
I understood it pretty easily since I understand the english language well and am capable of processing words and stories that John Marston constantly tells the people around him throughout the game.
After Red Dead 2, it was like toothbrush for my soul seeing bill dead
The camp idiot!
"Esta noche duermo en tu cama" such a sad and true line.
Man this is sad to see after rdr2. I feel connected to all the characters all their deaths hit me hard.. even Micahs
2:13 🎶🎵Meet the new boss, same as the old BAWSS!!!
Would love to fight this one in RDlll with Jack
Mad really because in RD2 when Jack goes missing, Bill says to Dutch we heard about Jack, need some extra guns.....
Things changed
Bill lost alot of weight
I let him live but. Peace wasn’t an option so now bill is 6 foot in the ground besides a stage coach somewhere in mexico
You didn't have the pleasure of kill Bill :(
I remember playing this for the first time. I spent too much time trying to decide which gun to use and where to shoot him, then that Mexican guy finished him off. Pretty unsatisfying
Considering I didn't know about Red dead Redeption 1 first until I played Red Dead Redemption 2. Killing these characters were really emotional, for all the adventures they went through and just wanted to start a new life in Tahiti.
Bill here despite being known as dumb, he's the one who planned the ONLY SUCCESFUL bank heist of the gang, in Valentine.
Im begging for someone to tell me the song at 1:39
I would try rdr soundtrack punta orgullo. Im not sure if its this one but surely the right one is in the recommendations. Edit: It sounds almost identically. I guess its this one.
BL4CKB1RD_ L3G3ND el club de los cuerpos off the soundtrack, that hook you hear comes in towards the middle of the song!
I got an “Infinite Galaxy” ad before this vid. Some chick was on her knees next to a crying baby, and DAYUM was she cheekin. I wish it hadn’t ended so quickly.
Instead of making rdr3 they should remaster this one with dialogue of Arthur and the rdr2 graphics and physics that would be the best childhood present
Thats what they are currently making
SyndromeArts if it’s not confirmed then I don’t believe that
Wont really work with the landon rickets parts
no that wouldn't be fair to the ppl who actually played this one first
Nah not really I highly doubt it would sell as much, now don’t get me wrong I love these two game however I wouldn’t spend another $60 just to hear Arthur be mentioned max like what 15 times
An RDR3 that either follows Arthur joint the gang or a new story all together with new characters and all that would be better not just financially but also for the fans. Although it’s odd that Arthur isn’t mentioned at all it’s somewhat explained with the fact that John doesn’t like talking about them and given the fact that Arthur is dead the pinckertons wouldn’t even give a shit about him.
As for Arthur being mentioned I could only see it in a like two scenes with Dutch this one with bill the next would be when he sees Javier and that’s a maybe. The only other case would be jack and Abigail given how close they were to him. So remastering RDR1 and changing entire scenes just to mention Arthur a bit wouldn’t sell much IMO especially given the backwards compatibility and the popularity of RDR2
dam I'm gonna have to pullout the old PS3 and play me some RDR
If they make a ground-up remake of RDR, they'll need to rewrite and revoice a lot of this game. The writing of 2 was so much sharper and more impactful than how Javier and Bill and treated in this original game. I also wouldn't mind having the ability to capture Bill, but this is the dying west, after all.
Bill thicc af too
Bill and Javier are still terribly underdeveloped in rdr2
@@Pelican07.23 yeah, two years removed from this comment I can tell you're absolutely right. It was a decent starting point for them in 2 compared to seeing just glimpses of them in the original game.
Reyes is such a jerk, but man is his voice actor good.
He made me absolutely love a filthy hypocritical future dictator.
I wish there was a way to spare him
I'm glad there's not he's the reason Sean got killed and Sean was a good character who would have sided with Arthur in the final battle
a anarchist the grays killed him not bill
@@sirenhead9965 It was Bill's idea that got Sean killed, but he didn't mean for that to happen, so I don't really blame him,
he isn't worth the effort, he is actually worse then Micah.
Lumberculosis wat how?
I thought we used a Gatling gun to raid Bills base and killed him there, I don’t remember chasing him all the way to Mexico
Question for my red dead people does john talk about arthur in the first game
Nope he was never mentioned only in rdr2
No. R* sort of gave us an explanation in RDR2 as to why he doesn't speak about him. John doesn't feel comfortable talking about Arthur and avoids it.
Title Correction: Marston Captures and Reyes Killes Bill Williamson
Atleast they were consistent i still hated bill in rdr 2 he was just a drunk that got his kicks on pissing everybody off
He even started pointing fingers at Arthur
Really he seemed rough around the edges but cool to me. Led the charge trying to save Jack, tried to be nice to Kieran once he got to know him even though he was awkward, outgrew his initial racism with Lenny to really like and work well with the kid. He was awkward and an idiot sometimes but up until the gang fell apart he was one of the best characters imo.
Easiest way to do this mission: After he heads out on the carriage, instead of going through the back doors chasing him, go back through the front doors. Call your horse and ride around the back, the carriage will come down the trail, kill the driver and that's basically it.
anyone else think this game looks very good still by today's standards?
Still holds up well
Yeah you're right is a good game,
Sad for other people who see it differently.
I consider rdr1 a masterpiece
When I first played this mission, I was bumped into during the part where I was supposed to shoot Bill, then I couldn't move anymore nor aim my weapon. The game's script broke itself and ruined the perfect moment I was waiting for.
I want a Mexico DLC with Reyes as the main villain
It should be either Blackwater DLC or RDR1 Remake, I reckon
Nah bro there has to be a RDR3 in the makes , because there's characters and a story before Blackwater we don't get to play
Maybe in 2030 lfmao
Mexico is mine
You can really hear John's anger here. He might have put the past behind him to try and live normally, but he never forgot how Bill, Dutch, and Javier betrayed him. It's ironic that Bill calls John a traitor, but Bill was the one who chose Dutch over John; he betrayed his "brother" back then without a second thought. Now, years later, he gets the chance to roast Bill over the coals for it, and takes it.
My memory of this game looks like RDR2.. that’s not the case.
They really need to remaster this game with new dialogue. This feels so unrealistic considering how close they were in rd2.
They were close in RDR2, but in RDR1 we see a John that is very mad due to his family being taken. We also see a Bill, Javier and Dutch that have gone crazy over the last years. With everything that has happened it's only natural they were so angry at eachother.
This game deserves a remake.
Would be an opportunity to tie up some things regarding RDR2. Could turn into an even deeper Story.
I feel like before Arthur died all the strength of the characters that went against him lost their strength with him
I miss Mexico soooo much..
Imagine if they remade RDR with context from RDR2. That and updated graphics would be amazing
1:23 when you and your homie go to check on your boy and his gf answers the door
It’s not John’s fault. It was Micah’s fault for splitting up the gang