Also why do people keep giving john shut for the choices he made? Ever since rd2 came out marston's popularity went out the window in favor of everyone else's.
This is sad. Especially since it was Javier that went with Arthur to find John in the mountains at the beginning of rd2. "I know if the situation were reversed, he'd look for me"
I was kind of confused because of how drastically different Javier is in RDR1 compared to RDR2, but It makes sense. Javier always put loyalty over everything else because Dutch saved him from his past. But after the gang fell apart, Javier was left all alone. No guidance from Dutch, just another lost soul back to his old ways.
Nah , it's a happy ending , what you mean , it's feels kinds depressing after playing rdr1 , john and abigail , and uncle die , jacks alive but all alone , and it makes arthur's sacrifice for nothing
@@principe7779 well not for nothing, think of it like this, Jack wouldn’t have become who he was, and maybe not even have lived very long if Arthur hadn’t saved Abigail and helped John
@@rexventura4603 exactly. And Arthur didn't just sacrifice himself for them. He found a good point to use his position to help someone else. But his sedition against Dutch was coming either way. Dutch changed into someone he couldn't recognise. He abandoned all morals and principles; the very ones he had drilled into Arthur. Arthur couldn't handle seeing his teacher, father and friend turn into the monster he did. All while watching his only family disintegrate and be set on fire by Micah. He would've broken off into a splinter group with Sadie, Charles, Lenny, Hosea, John and Seán if it were an ideal world. But his TV would kill him because he wasn't a man for resting in a hot climate.
Shows the truth imo. Dutch and Bill both shot at John. Javier the only one that didn’t shoot at him. And he had a clear shot after he threw the crate on John
PAPA FRANKU in my game he always sarcastically questioned Arthur’s sickness and overall was just a bitch towards Arthur whenever I was in camp, and that alone made me hate him. Not even counting his random interactions with the remaining camp members that displays even more of his changed personality which Charles even pointed out.
All three of them got dirtier and more depressing as years went by. Bill was never clean but he always looked like a strong and capable fellow at first, turning into a creepy Uncle. Javier started a slick-looking guy who has some charms, and turned into a rebel without a cause. Dutch was the worst. Starting as a well-dressed and silk-tongued leader/father-figure while using fancy guns with engravings, to becoming a sad old man with barely any clothes and a shitty mass-manufactured pistol, leading a group of misguided fools to commit atrocities in the name of "freedom"
@@Maxisamo1 Yeah in rdr2 you always see Duch as a very charm guy, trying to keep people together, always good looking and capable of convincing any fool of anything... and everything goes downhill from that
I can't call Javier a coward for running from John. I mean, after seeing what John did to the Laramie Gang, the Skinners, Micah's gang, the Bollard Twins Gang, the Treasure Hunter Gang, Bill's Gang, the bandits at the river crossing, the rebels and the Mexican Army, and pretty much everyone else who stood in his way, I'd run the fuck away from John as fast as I could too.
He didnt run for his life just use lasso and he will get by the ground and he will not use the gun he dont want to kill john john is an idiot but the kind of idot i like
When I first played this game, I was yelling, “Jesus John, just shoot the bastard; you’ve been on this wild goose chase for months!” Now, I understand his hesitation a bit.
Kinda odd how Javier tells John to go back to his farm, which implies that Javier actually knew what became of John after RDR2 and had left John alone that entire time. If he really was out to kill John, he should have simply shot John after pushing that box on him, rather than just jumping out the window to escape. If he was also really out to kill John, then he should have stood there and fought you when he gets taken off his horse. When John messed up in the gameplay, Javier had another clear opportunity for a point-blank shot at John. Yet he chose not to and only wanted John’s ride to make an escape. Don’t get me wrong, Javier Escuella chose his side to stand on in the end during that scene in RDR2, no matter how hesitant he was to do so about it. However, even though he was more loyal to Dutch, I think part of him actually was genuine to John here and he still did care about John to some extent, which is why he was inherently trying to leave John in the wind and not have a lethal showdown with him.
He was loyal to Dutch because he took him in after fled Mexico and took care of him (this is revealed in one of the campsite conversations Javier has with some of the gang). Even though Javier may have had sympathy for John, he always felt he was in debt with Dutch, so he chose his side and was always loyal to him.
Javier also never aimed his gun at john or arthur in that final standoff. Seemed like he only picked dutch's side because it was dutch's gang. Also Javier and Bill get real close in chapters 5 and 6 of the game. They are constantly being paired off together and during crisis they talk to each other most. maybe when shit hit the fan and bill chose dutch, javier chose dutch out of loyalty to bill while still not aiming his gun at anyone. I really think red dead 2 was also supposed to show how much of a hold dutch had on these guys. Bill or javier weren't necessarily villainous to john in rdr2. Maybe it is all meant to just be shitty coincidence john has to kill these guys. He only tells himself they betrayed him because he is denial that the government has him in this situation.
John and Javier were good friends in the beginning of RDR2, Javier saved his life and the two were often seen talking and drinking together at camp. In the later chapters Javier and Bill start to become closer, them being the only blindly loyal members left in the gang. When the gang splits up Bill and Javier are seen leaving together, which explains why they're still helping each other in RDR1.
I love how you can hear Javier slightly crying when he says, "Go with your puto!" He's angry and afraid of the truth John was saying. RDR's storyline and character development so fucked, the tragedy of all those wasted lives and years to something that never mattered in the end.
Dane we need Ultor to expand into the wild west and take care of all these savage. It would be a really cool crossover. To see dane vogel try and make it big in the wild west era. It would make the power play between Leviticus Cornwall and the Van der Linde gang more interesting, with YOU looking to team up with anyone who could kill cornwall. I imagine the relationship between you and Dutch kind of similar to the relationship between you and the Saints’ Boss. mostly cordial, until you betray him. :) I guess you would end up controlling some of the Pinkertons once Cornwall is out of the Picture. Would be interesting to see Agent Ross realise that the Gang he’s after is buddies with his new boss. Lol. I can already imagine the flurries of sarcasm exchanged between you and Black Lung lol. As for Micah, well hes now you’re rat in the van der linde gang. Would be your choice to use him To destroy the gang or nor. I imagine you would try to destroy them tbh.
I'm sorry but you guys are trying to read more into this than is there. When they made Red Dead 1 only Dutch was meant to be somewhat tragic, Bill and Javier are pretty one-dimensional followers and slippery thugs, emphasizing the distance John had come from his former life. When they decided to make a prequel they realized people simply would not relate to one-dimensional bandits killing people wantonly, they had to make all the characters likeable. So Bill became dumb and sympathetic, Javier chilled out, and John became a young innocent do-gooder swayed by a manipulative father figure. Listen to John's description of the gang when he talks to Bonnie Macfarlane.
@@IAssassinIIfr the reason he’s crying is causes he’s about be executed lmao. It’s not because of the depth of John’s words. Bro just got hogtied and thrown on a jail cell.
I think it’s pretty interesting that Javier chose to run from John instead of shooting him when he was stunned by the crate, he still loved John enough that he couldn’t kill him.
Judging by the way John fell and seeing that he was still somewhat aiming at where Javier was. It would have been a big risk if he stood there to draw and try to shoot. But even then, I do feel that he didn’t want to even try killing John out of emotional conflict.
@@texasredhimself Right. John would've still shot Javier even if Javier also shot him. John's is literally the best shooter in these games, in RDR2 Arthur was the best shooter, he had the experience, he was older and obviously more skilled. He was stated to be the best shot a few times if I recall correctly. John was probably the second best, but Arthur was better than him at first. But RDR 1 John is a different beast entirely. Dude was basically the fucking Terminator, especially after he got trained to be even better by Ricketts.
@@danielbold6167 I’d guess at that point he saw that there was no other way of escaping. Although still caring about John, I’m guessing Javier values his own life more.
His personality seems entirely different rather than that. In this he seems like a sleazy coward trying to slip away compared to the badass in red dead 2.
-edited because wow I sounded like an asshole. context for the replies after this hahaha whoops Most people knew what Javier and John were talking about. Throughout the game you hear about John and what he did in Dutch's gang as well as other sources like newspapers, campfire talks. In the cutscene here you can get the gist of what happened between John and Javier
@@ShadesMF Nah it's just javier trying to save dutch's life or rumors about sadie and her confusions in south america and everybody think is dutch since she was a van der linde member afterwall
@@pedroreinaldos716 when bill asked what Javier was doing and he called him a greaser so Javier swift ass pulled a knife on him and called him a sheep fucker
*This part is more symbolic when Javier himself said "Never pointed his gun at his brothers" in RDR2. At the end of Chapter 6, he points the revolver up. While here, he runs away. He honored his word. Red Dead is amazing.*
@@pookiebenny7819 u got it wrong it’s mostly said to blacks and Latino s and I would know because I’m Latino living in LA and it doesn’t mean just friend it s more like closer then that like a bestfrieand that u have known for years and it’s shown respect of saying that your like family
If you really think about it, Javier still thinks of John as his brother because when he stuns John with the crate he could’ve shot him right then and there but chose to try and flee.
I just watched a video of a camp event in rdr2 and someone pointed out how Javier can put bill on the ground and at knife point but in this game he throws a box
When John says “It was just an excuse and we all knew it” that really hits deepest to me of all the quotes in this game about their old life. Playing through RDR2 you feel that truth as the story goes on. They all justified what they did as a fight for “family” and a fight for a better way of living but it was really just a facade to make themselves feel better about being thieves and killers. They all had the choice to live a different and less violent life but they didnt take it partly because of the brainwashing that Dutch did to all pf them, making them think they never did have a choice coming from where they all did.
I feel bad for Javier here, wish we didn’t have to go after him after what we learned in rdr2, Javier saved John on that mountain, now it feels like a slap in the face here for Javier
I mean Javier literally went with Dutch instead of John and Arthur. Fuckass pointed a gun at both of them. Dude deserved this shit💀 Chapter 1-5 Javier is a different story tho
It sucks that Javier ended up like this, I always enjoyed his songs at the campfire. I wonder what happened to Charles and Sadie though, they were the only good ones, especially Charles
@Omair Huda well yes but I wanna know more, did Charles find a wife to settle down with like he talked to Arthur about? And what kind of life is sadie living down south, is she a badass outlaw? Or is she looking for another someone to fill the void the O’Driscolls opened
@@LTD538 morally good maybe not, kinda rude at first yeah. But she was grieving, and didn’t like being ordered around. She was loyal, did her part, and helped do what needed to be done
After I saw this scene, I actually went back on rdr2 to figure out which moment John was referencing when he kept talking about them leaving him for dead. I originally thought they meant the Saint Denis robbery, but John was talking about the last train robbery they ever did. When he gets shot and falls, Dutch, Micah, Joe and Javier go for him but then when we see them again they say he was killed. In the cutscene, Javier is in the background, not saying anything, like he clearlt knows they left John there to die. Bill didn't witness John being left for dead, he was with Arthur, Sadie and Cleet.
A bunch of details about the backstory were changed for RDR 2. Originally, the robbery where the gang left John to die was the ferry robbery, and that robbery originally had nothing to do with the Blackwater Massacre. In RDR 2, the writers combined those two events and revealed that John was actually shot for a second time during a train robbery. In RDR 1, it's implied several times that the last time John saw Dutch, Bill, and Javier was when they left him behind. But in RDR 2, John confronts them at Beaver Hollow, and he sees Dutch again when he goes after Micah.
@@Supertron1 True he does see them again after being shot, but if I remember right, he says: "I left the gang when they left to die" like not to say he literally left and never came back but saying he stopped concidering maybe staying with the gang at this moment, knowing there was nothing that would make him want to come back to them. But yeah when we read about the Blackwater massacre, it seems to be something else, but it does happen in 1899. Also, what was Landon Ricketts doing there? He's never mentioned by the gang in Rdr2 for witnessing and surviving the BM.
@@shydreameress264 Yeah, the Beaver Hollow confrontation doesn't exactly contradict anything that was stated in RDR 1, it's just kind of weird that Javier would try to talk his way out by telling John they left him behind because they thought he was dead. And the exact year the gang disbanded was never actually stated in RDR 1. Abigail says that Jack was a little boy, but Jack's memories of the gang suggest he was probably supposed to be older than four years old. I think they just connected the ferry robbery to the Blackwater Massacre because it happened in 1899. This allowed the coming of the 20th Century to be a big part of RDR 2's story. Some people think Ricketts will be in RDR 3 and his role in the massacre will be explained then.
Javier was always one of my favorite. Even in this cutscene you can tell by subtle clues that Javier still cares about John and the brotherhood they once shared. They would have left each other alone. Maybe even caught up at some point. Put with the big men pushing down on them both, they were cornered and without options. All Javier could do was run.
The Sad part is how smart Ross was Arthur died And dutch Killed micah John Got all the Blackwater money Then Ross Blackmails John to capture his Old Brothers And Then Kills John This was a Hole plan to End the Gang Once and for all And its Sad the fact How it all Started as a Family
@@paolaabad6106 well he wasn't outlaw, he just duelled old man to get redemption. There's a theory that he will become government agent. There were some dialogs with John when he was 16. Because most of costumes you unlock as Jack are Marshall outfit, US soldier outfit, and if you complete 100 percent redeemed trophie you will get Bureau outfit.
1:46 you can actually hear the bullet close and loud as it zips by John through the air off to his left while hearing the crack report of Javier’s pistol faintly in the distance. This game was so ahead of its time.
Love how rdr we all went in blind not knowing the backstory of what we were killing and experiencing. Now after rdr2 i just feel empty years later. Truely legendary game.
I think Javier just said out of anger that one day John would regret it and curse his family. Basically it can be that he can already understand John and believes that John only does it because he feels betrayed by him because firstly he left him behind in the attack and secondly that he did not join him and Arthur when the Micah was revealed was the traitor of the gang and was on his side because of Dutch. Maybe he finally realized that Micah was the traitor and another reason that Javier had a hard time. He had once believed in Dutch but now his belief in him was destroyed when he realized that he was just crazy and joined the wrong side. He must have regretted not joining Arthur and John, and later accepting his capture and redemption through execution.
Had a thought. If Arthur had survived he would have probably been on Ross’ list for John to capture or kill too. What would he had done in that scenario? I would like to think he would have just handed himself in to John😀
@@bobi7800 Even if it means John’s family are going to be held if he dosnt!! Think Artie would have just handed himself in otherwise all the rest that happened in RDR2 was for nothing.
@@ericdavis4758 Don’t think he would kill him as everything before would had been a waste of time. I think Artie would do the honourable thing and turn himself in for John and Abigail’s sake as said before.
It was nighttime when I did this mission. I think this mission is more suiting to do at night. Still one of the greatest games of all time. Great upload!
I have a few problems about the actions done by Bill and Javier at the end of the gang: -During the final train robbery, Javier is on his horse with Dutch, Micah, and Joe, and goes with them to help John after John gets shot and falls off the train, after which Dutch chooses to abandon John. It 100% makes sense the Dutch would choose to abandon John at this point, likely spurred by Micah, and Joe, being Micah’s crony, wouldn’t say anything about the lie. But Javier, despite the fact that he had become alienated from John, he really doesn’t seem like he would agree to so callously abandon John at this point. I think that Javier should have been on the train with Arthur, Sadie, and Bill, and Cleet should’ve been on his horse. -During the final standoff, Bill and Javier, in their last acts of loyalty to Dutch, stand by Dutch, Cleet, Joe, and Micah against Arthur and John. While the other five point their guns against the two protagonists, Javier, due to his long friendship with the two, points his gun in the air. I really feel like Bill wouldn’t have pointed his gun directly at Arthur and John, but he wouldn’t have been so decisive either, instead, he should have pointed his gun downwards. I just really feel like Javier and Bill didn’t really develop their callous attitudes by the end of the first act of RDR2. Instead, it seems more likely that they stewed over the bitter way the gang fell apart in between the two games. It just really doesn’t feel like they harbor the same hate or callousness towards Arthur and John as Dutch, Micah, Cleet and Joe do, so it feels weird that they’re paired with them as the gang finally falls apart. Just my opinion.
Imagine how much sadder it would of been if Arthur was alive during RDR1 and the feds included him as one of the objectives for John. With RDR2 being exactly the same that is.
In RDR2 ..in horseshoe overlock camp...you can hear a conversation between JOHN and JAVIER ..john was saying that he want to go to mexico one day...that would be nice ...and Javier replays : you maybe will.......its kinda ironic that john really went to mexico...but he was hunting down Javier
@@user-hx6gs9rq7u The actor confirmed he didn't want aim at his brothers and that's why it matters that Javier is hesitating, more than the milisecond of cutscene to gameplay transition that's only visible pausing in the right millisecond. Plus when John and Arthur are escaping from Pinkertons, you are chased by Dutch, Micah, Cleet and Joe who are shooting at you. Javier and Bill are not in this part, I feel that's enough evidence even if he sided with Dutch, it's important to his character he never wanted go againt John then.
Remember in RDR2, after Dutch drowns Angelo Bronte then feeds him to an alligator. He says, "the way I see it it's either him or me. The way I see it, might as well be him." That's where John heard it from. And repeats that to javier here😮💥
I think javier was a true brother to John and Arthur, In the stand-off scene at beaver hollow the literal actor for javier said “he didn’t raise his gun at John and Arthur because he believed javier wouldn’t do that” what a true brother javier was to the gang, he didn’t deserve this
The sad part about this is that John must lie to himself about his old life, so it can be easier for him to just give away the people that, despite their betrayal, were still held dear deep inside John's heart. Javier, on the other hand, really misses those old days, and since he was manipulated by Dutch, he felt like John betrayed everything he cared for and now was the reason for either his death sentence or his encarceration for life.
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@@kshamenkwaves6656 i mean to be fair john had to murk him. His wife and son were on the line. He couldn't risk anything
Also why do people keep giving john shut for the choices he made? Ever since rd2 came out marston's popularity went out the window in favor of everyone else's.
@@claudiathomas2529 I think it’s because people got more attached to Arthur than John so they give him shit now haha
@@valley2thebay319 oh well. I still like john, I just don't know what everyone else's problem is
This is sad. Especially since it was Javier that went with Arthur to find John in the mountains at the beginning of rd2. "I know if the situation were reversed, he'd look for me"
@Christopher Poss No it was clearly Javier.
@Christopher Poss Wth do you even play the game lmao Charles
@Travis Livengood that was Arthur and Dutch at Guarma
To be fair , they probably didn't plan that far ahead with RD2.
Despite that he still left him to die after the train robbery he chose to be with Dutch instead of John.
I love how he tried to steal John's horse.
LMAO
The Catfather 2:08
he was strong
@Philadelphia Collins As far as I remember, your horse can slam horse thief into the groud if you press summon button
@@geg_otmopo3 It's so funny to do that every time someone steals my horse
I was kind of confused because of how drastically different Javier is in RDR1 compared to RDR2, but It makes sense. Javier always put loyalty over everything else because Dutch saved him from his past. But after the gang fell apart, Javier was left all alone. No guidance from Dutch, just another lost soul back to his old ways.
Chapter 1-5 Javier defo didn't deserve this. But canon Javier is Chapter 6 who dickrode Dutch instead of siding Arthur
@@rane7784he hardly chose dutch, he not only didnt shoot at arthur and john but he left right after
@@lordslugggblud hasn't seen the camp interactions of Javier in C6 💀
3:37 I don't know why but it hurts so much after playing RDRII
Same
Nah , it's a happy ending , what you mean , it's feels kinds depressing after playing rdr1 , john and abigail , and uncle die , jacks alive but all alone , and it makes arthur's sacrifice for nothing
Arthur had a calm death , and did good
@@principe7779 well not for nothing, think of it like this, Jack wouldn’t have become who he was, and maybe not even have lived very long if Arthur hadn’t saved Abigail and helped John
@@rexventura4603 exactly.
And Arthur didn't just sacrifice himself for them. He found a good point to use his position to help someone else.
But his sedition against Dutch was coming either way. Dutch changed into someone he couldn't recognise. He abandoned all morals and principles; the very ones he had drilled into Arthur.
Arthur couldn't handle seeing his teacher, father and friend turn into the monster he did. All while watching his only family disintegrate and be set on fire by Micah.
He would've broken off into a splinter group with Sadie, Charles, Lenny, Hosea, John and Seán if it were an ideal world.
But his TV would kill him because he wasn't a man for resting in a hot climate.
*come on brother,i always love you*
**throws crate at john**
Shows the truth imo. Dutch and Bill both shot at John. Javier the only one that didn’t shoot at him. And he had a clear shot after he threw the crate on John
@@gravitykat714 lol
@@gravitykat714 he shoots at you when you chase him.
@@theshamegame2787 Well, he did warn John.
Young Squadz ok let’s forget the fact it was Arthur AND Javier who saved John from the wolves ok...
I like how Javier's accent isn't as heavy as rdr2. It makes sense.
Yeah it does
Javier went back to Mexico after rdr2 spoke no English for years, so it actually makes sense lol
Different voice actors too
@@brendzz3832 .....yet when you go to mexico everyone speaks perfect english 🙄👨🔧👀
His accent is much heavier in the first game
javier seems like a good man in RDR"2
Be stuck with Dutch instead of John
He is not a lot of worse than John but his biggest mistake was to stay on Dutchs side at the end of RDR2.
ComicBookGuy Henderson he became a bitch in chapter 6 I wanted to kill him so bad lol.
@@DarkShadow775 what did he do?
PAPA FRANKU in my game he always sarcastically questioned Arthur’s sickness and overall was just a bitch towards Arthur whenever I was in camp, and that alone made me hate him. Not even counting his random interactions with the remaining camp members that displays even more of his changed personality which Charles even pointed out.
I still don't understand how Javier went from suave Mexican badass in RDR2 to fucking Speedy Gonzalez in RDR1.
All three of them got dirtier and more depressing as years went by.
Bill was never clean but he always looked like a strong and capable fellow at first, turning into a creepy Uncle.
Javier started a slick-looking guy who has some charms, and turned into a rebel without a cause.
Dutch was the worst. Starting as a well-dressed and silk-tongued leader/father-figure while using fancy guns with engravings, to becoming a sad old man with barely any clothes and a shitty mass-manufactured pistol, leading a group of misguided fools to commit atrocities in the name of "freedom"
@@Maxisamo1 Yeah in rdr2 you always see Duch as a very charm guy, trying to keep people together, always good looking and capable of convincing any fool of anything... and everything goes downhill from that
@@Maxisamo1 you better put some respect on the c96 mauser home boy
XD
Cocaine’s a hell of a drug.
I can't call Javier a coward for running from John. I mean, after seeing what John did to the Laramie Gang, the Skinners, Micah's gang, the Bollard Twins Gang, the Treasure Hunter Gang, Bill's Gang, the bandits at the river crossing, the rebels and the Mexican Army, and pretty much everyone else who stood in his way, I'd run the fuck away from John as fast as I could too.
He didnt run for his life just use lasso and he will get by the ground and he will not use the gun he dont want to kill john john is an idiot but the kind of idot i like
Maybe he just didnt want to kill john
@@kiraskiwhrbd7358 Not as much as an idiot as you with the english language apparently?
@@kiraskiwhrbd7358 learn anglais
@@kiraskiwhrbd7358 john had to choose 3 fools or his family
When I first played this game, I was yelling, “Jesus John, just shoot the bastard; you’ve been on this wild goose chase for months!”
Now, I understand his hesitation a bit.
Same bro I wish I could’ve grasped it back then.
0:43 Thats what Dutch tells John after he drowns Angelo Bronte.
Kinda odd how Javier tells John to go back to his farm, which implies that Javier actually knew what became of John after RDR2 and had left John alone that entire time. If he really was out to kill John, he should have simply shot John after pushing that box on him, rather than just jumping out the window to escape. If he was also really out to kill John, then he should have stood there and fought you when he gets taken off his horse. When John messed up in the gameplay, Javier had another clear opportunity for a point-blank shot at John. Yet he chose not to and only wanted John’s ride to make an escape.
Don’t get me wrong, Javier Escuella chose his side to stand on in the end during that scene in RDR2, no matter how hesitant he was to do so about it. However, even though he was more loyal to Dutch, I think part of him actually was genuine to John here and he still did care about John to some extent, which is why he was inherently trying to leave John in the wind and not have a lethal showdown with him.
He was loyal to Dutch because he took him in after fled Mexico and took care of him (this is revealed in one of the campsite conversations Javier has with some of the gang). Even though Javier may have had sympathy for John, he always felt he was in debt with Dutch, so he chose his side and was always loyal to him.
Or maybe the AI just decided for him
Javier also never aimed his gun at john or arthur in that final standoff. Seemed like he only picked dutch's side because it was dutch's gang. Also Javier and Bill get real close in chapters 5 and 6 of the game. They are constantly being paired off together and during crisis they talk to each other most. maybe when shit hit the fan and bill chose dutch, javier chose dutch out of loyalty to bill while still not aiming his gun at anyone. I really think red dead 2 was also supposed to show how much of a hold dutch had on these guys. Bill or javier weren't necessarily villainous to john in rdr2. Maybe it is all meant to just be shitty coincidence john has to kill these guys. He only tells himself they betrayed him because he is denial that the government has him in this situation.
Óscar Collado he was loyal to Dutch but still loved his brothers very much love gets you killed or turned in to the laws what a bitch move from John
John and Javier were good friends in the beginning of RDR2, Javier saved his life and the two were often seen talking and drinking together at camp. In the later chapters Javier and Bill start to become closer, them being the only blindly loyal members left in the gang. When the gang splits up Bill and Javier are seen leaving together, which explains why they're still helping each other in RDR1.
I love how you can hear Javier slightly crying when he says, "Go with your puto!" He's angry and afraid of the truth John was saying. RDR's storyline and character development so fucked, the tragedy of all those wasted lives and years to something that never mattered in the end.
By fucked, I mean it is extraordinarily good that it shows that much depth towards something devoid of morality
Dane we need Ultor to expand into the wild west and take care of all these savage.
It would be a really cool crossover. To see dane vogel try and make it big in the wild west era. It would make the power play between Leviticus Cornwall and the Van der Linde gang more interesting, with YOU looking to team up with anyone who could kill cornwall.
I imagine the relationship between you and Dutch kind of similar to the relationship between you and the Saints’ Boss. mostly cordial, until you betray him. :)
I guess you would end up controlling some of the Pinkertons once Cornwall is out of the Picture. Would be interesting to see Agent Ross realise that the Gang he’s after is buddies with his new boss. Lol.
I can already imagine the flurries of sarcasm exchanged between you and Black Lung lol.
As for Micah, well hes now you’re rat in the van der linde gang. Would be your choice to use him
To destroy the gang or nor. I imagine you would try to destroy them tbh.
I'm sorry but you guys are trying to read more into this than is there. When they made Red Dead 1 only Dutch was meant to be somewhat tragic, Bill and Javier are pretty one-dimensional followers and slippery thugs, emphasizing the distance John had come from his former life. When they decided to make a prequel they realized people simply would not relate to one-dimensional bandits killing people wantonly, they had to make all the characters likeable. So Bill became dumb and sympathetic, Javier chilled out, and John became a young innocent do-gooder swayed by a manipulative father figure. Listen to John's description of the gang when he talks to Bonnie Macfarlane.
@@IAssassinIIfr the reason he’s crying is causes he’s about be executed lmao.
It’s not because of the depth of John’s words.
Bro just got hogtied and thrown on a jail cell.
2:10 ..... Cj screaming?
Jack screams the same way when he’s an adult.
FBI discovered something knew
CJAAAAYYY!!!!!
Lol
GSF4LIFE
I think it’s pretty interesting that Javier chose to run from John instead of shooting him when he was stunned by the crate, he still loved John enough that he couldn’t kill him.
Judging by the way John fell and seeing that he was still somewhat aiming at where Javier was. It would have been a big risk if he stood there to draw and try to shoot. But even then, I do feel that he didn’t want to even try killing John out of emotional conflict.
@@texasredhimself Right. John would've still shot Javier even if Javier also shot him. John's is literally the best shooter in these games, in RDR2 Arthur was the best shooter, he had the experience, he was older and obviously more skilled. He was stated to be the best shot a few times if I recall correctly. John was probably the second best, but Arthur was better than him at first. But RDR 1 John is a different beast entirely. Dude was basically the fucking Terminator, especially after he got trained to be even better by Ricketts.
Well, he does try to shoot John while he's chasing him.
@@danielbold6167 I’d guess at that point he saw that there was no other way of escaping. Although still caring about John, I’m guessing Javier values his own life more.
His personality seems entirely different rather than that. In this he seems like a sleazy coward trying to slip away compared to the badass in red dead 2.
1:16 imagine if that box was much heavier than expected lol
skywalker anakin tgat would be the funniest shit ever
He would just give it a love tap
It was heavy but John's plot armor was heavier
😂
Javier:uaghhh this is so heavy, just wait a sec... oh you alright tied me up never mind
0:50
Dutch using that line after feeding someone to a crocodile. Guess John was taking notes lol
It was an alligator.
@@bluethewhitewolf2161 leave him alone he has lumbago
“You are nothing.
You do nothing.
You mean nothing
You stand nothing. Me? I run a city...”
-Bronte
It was angelo bronte
Lumbagoism That “someone” was Angelo Bronte
"He's not here brother"
"Im not your brother friend"
"Im not your friend buddy"
"Im not your buddy guy"
"Im not your guy brother"
OK my Canadian friend.
I love south park
Canada on strike😂
“Maybe you can go live with the Danish!”
I'm not your buddy guy
I loved when the second mission in RDR2 is to go look for John with Escuella, I killed Javier when i played RDR1 and this mission gave me feels.
I like how before playing rdr2 other people would have no idea what Javier and John are talking about
-edited because wow I sounded like an asshole. context for the replies after this hahaha whoops
Most people knew what Javier and John were talking about. Throughout the game you hear about John and what he did in Dutch's gang as well as other sources like newspapers, campfire talks. In the cutscene here you can get the gist of what happened between John and Javier
@@Dashx64 shut up you tit stop being rude
@@Dashx64 what an asshole
@@Dashx64 stfu.
@@Dashx64 not in the details
2:10 CJ is that you?! That yelling was very similar to the one from GTA SA, when CJ takes damage
CJ stands for Carl Javier
@@oleanderkazzy_ Mods made possible for him, to travel back and forth in time.. xd
If Young Maylay trip on something next to rockstar studio while recording
@@oleanderkazzy_ Carlos Javier
I think he forgot when he was in the mountains diying and I saved him.
When the Braithwaite's kidnapped his son and we all went to get him back.
Yeah... But betraying John cancels all that out
John Marston has to hunt them down
I'm so sorry for betraying you brother, come visit the ranch
John Marston nah u guys didn’t betray to each other, it was micah that ruin the gang and the family
naw it was all arthur not you lol
"Dutch is in Colombia"
"We have reason to suspect Dutch is in Blackwater"
Sure Javier
John would have believed if he said "Dutch is in Tahiti. I can take you straight to him". Lol
@@pedrorezende6444 Dutch is in Guarma
Maybe dutch made something up to make everyone think he escaped to colombia while remaining hidden in tall trees
Remember the guy said "suspect"
@@ShadesMF Nah it's just javier trying to save dutch's life or rumors about sadie and her confusions in south america and everybody think is dutch since she was a van der linde member afterwall
@@umpoucodetudo3740 Sadie didn’t exist when this was out bruh
Spares Javier: Javier got High Honor
kill Javier: Javier got low honor
Nice reference to rdr2 ending
Interesting take. Really plays into the rules of the game. I like it.
@@Malicavarus rules didn't apply to John tho sadly, he dies either way
We never realized how much they all went through in the 2nd game. We just thought they were just bad people who betrayed but they were family
I saved John, AND NOW HE IS HELPING EDGAR ROSS
Arthur have some faith
Uh oh, Don Toretto’s gonna barge in here and talk about family
"Dutch is in Colombia."
"Come to Blackwater, we have a reason to believe Dutch is in the area."
Looks like Javier wanted to be loyal until the end
“I’m just playing with my knife... just playing with my knife”
what are you refering to?
@@pedroreinaldos716 a camp event where Javiers messing with his knife and either Bill or Micah annoy him and Javier puts a knife to his neck
@@pedroreinaldos716 when bill asked what Javier was doing and he called him a greaser so Javier swift ass pulled a knife on him and called him a sheep fucker
"Should i do it?"
@@soloparentsareheros331 be my guest
"Dutch is a Mango farmer in Tahiti, I can take you straight to him."
*This part is more symbolic when Javier himself said "Never pointed his gun at his brothers" in RDR2. At the end of Chapter 6, he points the revolver up. While here, he runs away. He honored his word. Red Dead is amazing.*
NIGGA HE WAS SHOOTING AT JOHN
1:46
Javier shoots at John at least 6 times in this video. It is possible to be killed by Javier in this mission.
@@myaltaccountthatiwillbarel2288 He also shoots at you in the final mission of RDR2
*ok but why are you typing in bold*
Javier: We was family
John: Yeah, we were
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@Osama bin laden I m sorry (edit)
@Osama bin laden Peace and Love✌
@Osama bin laden he got it right
@@chubberflubber5620 he edited it
Was
Well, Javier wasn’t wrong in the beginning of RDR2; John *did* search for him
I think that Javier is maybe the only character that didn't really transition well from RDR 2 to 1.
he didn't even transition well within rdr2 like he was pretty cool and all before chapter 6 and suddenly became a dick
@@wangttang just like bill
@@straightfuckingwater389 Bill was always a dick
No one did transition well
@@russianspy5007 but he at least had some sort of heart
1899 Javier: "We need to save John so that if the situations are reversed he'll look for me"
1911 John: Don't be so sure about that
I like it how even when he threatened to kill him he called him brother
In Latin America they actually call friend mostly to white people or black people brother or bróder lol , said like that
@@pookiebenny7819 u got it wrong it’s mostly said to blacks and Latino s and I would know because I’m Latino living in LA and it doesn’t mean just friend it s more like closer then that like a bestfrieand that u have known for years and it’s shown respect of saying that your like family
@@wendydelgadillo1020 exactly
@@wendydelgadillo1020LA's a shithole
I was the only one who noticed that Javier didn't shoot John, even though he had a gun?
He tried shooting me
1:47
[doubt]
@@JohnFortniteKennedy_ had talking about he got knocked over
John drew his gun first, ofc Javier couldn't grab his gun and point back.
If you really think about it, Javier still thinks of John as his brother because when he stuns John with the crate he could’ve shot him right then and there but chose to try and flee.
I love how Javier had the chance to kill John but didn’t.
Dutch says the same thing about "It's either you or me, the way i see it it might as well be you." in RDR2
I could’ve sworn a similar quote was said in GTA V as well.
@@ecamo9632 Oh yeah! Franklin says that if you choose to kill Trevor.
@@MarcoGamer640Productions2012 Yeah, I knew i heard it from somewhere
I just watched a video of a camp event in rdr2 and someone pointed out how Javier can put bill on the ground and at knife point but in this game he throws a box
LoneShadow295 bill was drunk! and this is JOHN FUCKING MARSTON! the only person who could mess with john is ARTHUR MORGAN!
@@MovieGuy1998 other way round
John had his revolver pointed at Javier with his finger on the trigger. If Javier tried to lunge at him he would be shot immediately.
LoneShadow295 because he doesn’t want to kill John he sees him as family
@@MovieGuy1998 you do know javier is crazy as well with throwing hands and with weapons right
I can tell that Javier does care about John still and truthfully I believed that John would’ve let Javier go if they didn’t have his family
When John says “It was just an excuse and we all knew it” that really hits deepest to me of all the quotes in this game about their old life. Playing through RDR2 you feel that truth as the story goes on. They all justified what they did as a fight for “family” and a fight for a better way of living but it was really just a facade to make themselves feel better about being thieves and killers. They all had the choice to live a different and less violent life but they didnt take it partly because of the brainwashing that Dutch did to all pf them, making them think they never did have a choice coming from where they all did.
"John made it, he's the only one."
"We've turned into a bunch of killers, I mean it."
-Hosea.
I feel bad for Javier here, wish we didn’t have to go after him after what we learned in rdr2, Javier saved John on that mountain, now it feels like a slap in the face here for Javier
I mean Javier literally went with Dutch instead of John and Arthur. Fuckass pointed a gun at both of them. Dude deserved this shit💀
Chapter 1-5 Javier is a different story tho
He then left him to die alongside Dutch in RDR2… he’s an asshole
0:18 hits a lot harder after you play the second game
"You know that life we lived is over. And when we was living it, it didn’t mean nothing anyways." Man, that hits hard!
3:54
For a second i tought that he will say “Marston, Puto!”
It sucks that Javier ended up like this, I always enjoyed his songs at the campfire. I wonder what happened to Charles and Sadie though, they were the only good ones, especially Charles
@Omair Huda well yes but I wanna know more, did Charles find a wife to settle down with like he talked to Arthur about? And what kind of life is sadie living down south, is she a badass outlaw? Or is she looking for another someone to fill the void the O’Driscolls opened
Sadie wasnt good.. loyal and friendly but aint a good person
@@LTD538 morally good maybe not, kinda rude at first yeah. But she was grieving, and didn’t like being ordered around. She was loyal, did her part, and helped do what needed to be done
None of them were technically morally good
@@evin7823 Charles was, besides who he was friends with he was a good person, and of course John and Arthur because redemption
After I saw this scene, I actually went back on rdr2 to figure out which moment John was referencing when he kept talking about them leaving him for dead.
I originally thought they meant the Saint Denis robbery, but John was talking about the last train robbery they ever did. When he gets shot and falls, Dutch, Micah, Joe and Javier go for him but then when we see them again they say he was killed. In the cutscene, Javier is in the background, not saying anything, like he clearlt knows they left John there to die.
Bill didn't witness John being left for dead, he was with Arthur, Sadie and Cleet.
A bunch of details about the backstory were changed for RDR 2. Originally, the robbery where the gang left John to die was the ferry robbery, and that robbery originally had nothing to do with the Blackwater Massacre. In RDR 2, the writers combined those two events and revealed that John was actually shot for a second time during a train robbery. In RDR 1, it's implied several times that the last time John saw Dutch, Bill, and Javier was when they left him behind. But in RDR 2, John confronts them at Beaver Hollow, and he sees Dutch again when he goes after Micah.
@@Supertron1 True he does see them again after being shot, but if I remember right, he says: "I left the gang when they left to die" like not to say he literally left and never came back but saying he stopped concidering maybe staying with the gang at this moment, knowing there was nothing that would make him want to come back to them.
But yeah when we read about the Blackwater massacre, it seems to be something else, but it does happen in 1899. Also, what was Landon Ricketts doing there? He's never mentioned by the gang in Rdr2 for witnessing and surviving the BM.
@@shydreameress264 Yeah, the Beaver Hollow confrontation doesn't exactly contradict anything that was stated in RDR 1, it's just kind of weird that Javier would try to talk his way out by telling John they left him behind because they thought he was dead. And the exact year the gang disbanded was never actually stated in RDR 1. Abigail says that Jack was a little boy, but Jack's memories of the gang suggest he was probably supposed to be older than four years old. I think they just connected the ferry robbery to the Blackwater Massacre because it happened in 1899. This allowed the coming of the 20th Century to be a big part of RDR 2's story. Some people think Ricketts will be in RDR 3 and his role in the massacre will be explained then.
Retcon Redemption
Red dead 2 has plot holes and retconned stuff
0:41 he realizes he’s not looking at the same John as rdr2
Javier was always one of my favorite. Even in this cutscene you can tell by subtle clues that Javier still cares about John and the brotherhood they once shared. They would have left each other alone. Maybe even caught up at some point. Put with the big men pushing down on them both, they were cornered and without options. All Javier could do was run.
Replaying this game straight after playing Red Dead 2 is so good. Makes the game feel even better.
character writing in both games are so good
Apart from 2 Epilogue Abigail.
Andree Tungcab no even that was good
2:55 John mentions Cain and Abel, Dutch thought about Cain in RDR2 and named the dog after him in a random camp encounter.
The Sad part is how smart Ross was
Arthur died And dutch Killed micah John Got all the Blackwater money
Then Ross Blackmails John to capture his Old Brothers And Then Kills John
This was a Hole plan to End the Gang Once and for all And its Sad the fact How it all Started as a Family
Well, they didnt quite end everyone in the gang, since Jack turned into a outlaw too.
@@paolaabad6106 he was more a gunslinger than outlaw
He wasn't counting on Jack though.
@@paolaabad6106 well he wasn't outlaw, he just duelled old man to get redemption. There's a theory that he will become government agent. There were some dialogs with John when he was 16. Because most of costumes you unlock as Jack are Marshall outfit, US soldier outfit, and if you complete 100 percent redeemed trophie you will get Bureau outfit.
Atleast sadie and Charles are safe
Arthur to Javier in 1899: "To the bar, señor!'
John to Javier in 1911: "In the car, señor!"
Lmao
rdr1 was something special. loved the music, art style and atmosphere. the landscape and sky look like a painting almost
4:21 say hello to my little friend
I legit believe Javier loved John. One simply doesn't stop loving a brother, but he loves himself above all. He really did take after Dutch
I don’t even remember this it’s been so long.
Same I only remember manning that cannon
“bROtheR”
Its incredible how well rdr2 fits into rdr1.
Not with Javier it doesn’t. In rdr2 he’s nothing like how he was described in this game
@@user-hx6gs9rq7u he did betray John and Arthur by siding with Dutch and Micah. See it however you want but he left John to die.
1:46 you can actually hear the bullet close and loud as it zips by John through the air off to his left while hearing the crack report of Javier’s pistol faintly in the distance. This game was so ahead of its time.
What
Love how rdr we all went in blind not knowing the backstory of what we were killing and experiencing. Now after rdr2 i just feel empty years later. Truely legendary game.
I think Javier just said out of anger that one day John would regret it and curse his family. Basically it can be that he can already understand John and believes that John only does it because he feels betrayed by him because firstly he left him behind in the attack and secondly that he did not join him and Arthur when the Micah was revealed was the traitor of the gang and was on his side because of Dutch. Maybe he finally realized that Micah was the traitor and another reason that Javier had a hard time. He had once believed in Dutch but now his belief in him was destroyed when he realized that he was just crazy and joined the wrong side. He must have regretted not joining Arthur and John, and later accepting his capture and redemption through execution.
Had a thought. If Arthur had survived he would have probably been on Ross’ list for John to capture or kill too. What would he had done in that scenario?
I would like to think he would have just handed himself in to John😀
I think Arthur would have lived with John but if he didnt i dont think John would have captured him
@@bobi7800 Even if it means John’s family are going to be held if he dosnt!! Think Artie would have just handed himself in otherwise all the rest that happened in RDR2 was for nothing.
John couldn’t capture Arthur no matter how much he tried. Arthur was the gangs smoking gun and he would kill John easily.
@@ericdavis4758 Don’t think he would kill him as everything before would had been a waste of time. I think Artie would do the honourable thing and turn himself in for John and Abigail’s sake as said before.
@@ericdavis4758 Well at the end John becomes better than Arthur in all ways, if he let to the end he kill Arthur easy
0:15
I love when Marston correcting Escuella's grammar mistake 😂
Javier still must have had some brotherly love left for John, since he never directly tried to kill him.
Marcell2aG your music is dope💪🏿
@@muccigane2351 I really appreciate that, fam!!
@@Marcell2aG that music🔥
@@fazeflight1554 Thank you sincerely!!
@@Marcell2aG your welcome man
One of the most powerful lines in the series here: “It was just an excuse, and we all knew.”
I always forget how fast those horses were in RDR1
This hits so much harder after RDR2
It was nighttime when I did this mission. I think this mission is more suiting to do at night. Still one of the greatest games of all time. Great upload!
I mean Javier could have drawn his gun and shoot John while he was on the ground so maybe he did "love" him a little
If Javier would’ve stood by John he would’ve been at Beecher’s Hope.
Javier voice actor said if rdr1 never happened , Javier would've joined John and Arthur side at the end
This didn't make me sad when I played RDR for the first time. After playing RDR2, it's heartbreaking.
anyone notice john had a gun in his holster while aiming javier
*it still kills me how the game painted John as a very strong character and then he gets knocked over by a crate that barely touched him-*
I have a few problems about the actions done by Bill and Javier at the end of the gang:
-During the final train robbery, Javier is on his horse with Dutch, Micah, and Joe, and goes with them to help John after John gets shot and falls off the train, after which Dutch chooses to abandon John. It 100% makes sense the Dutch would choose to abandon John at this point, likely spurred by Micah, and Joe, being Micah’s crony, wouldn’t say anything about the lie. But Javier, despite the fact that he had become alienated from John, he really doesn’t seem like he would agree to so callously abandon John at this point. I think that Javier should have been on the train with Arthur, Sadie, and Bill, and Cleet should’ve been on his horse.
-During the final standoff, Bill and Javier, in their last acts of loyalty to Dutch, stand by Dutch, Cleet, Joe, and Micah against Arthur and John. While the other five point their guns against the two protagonists, Javier, due to his long friendship with the two, points his gun in the air. I really feel like Bill wouldn’t have pointed his gun directly at Arthur and John, but he wouldn’t have been so decisive either, instead, he should have pointed his gun downwards.
I just really feel like Javier and Bill didn’t really develop their callous attitudes by the end of the first act of RDR2. Instead, it seems more likely that they stewed over the bitter way the gang fell apart in between the two games. It just really doesn’t feel like they harbor the same hate or callousness towards Arthur and John as Dutch, Micah, Cleet and Joe do, so it feels weird that they’re paired with them as the gang finally falls apart. Just my opinion.
Ok John can be pissed but come on. He refused to even aim at you in the final showdown. Javier was a good guy
Was. Then turned on his own people and worked for the countries dictator
Imagine how much sadder it would of been if Arthur was alive during RDR1 and the feds included him as one of the objectives for John.
With RDR2 being exactly the same that is.
It would an epic showdown or they both going to kill all feds
Arthur would have most likely faked his death and John would never find him or even try to kill him since Morgan is like a brother to him.
Frank Castle doubt John could kill Arthur anyway
@@justblaze1656 John is a way better shot than Arthur.
@@Taran_MVP no, arthur is better
It went from javier looking for john to john looking for javier
In RDR2 ..in horseshoe overlock camp...you can hear a conversation between JOHN and JAVIER ..john was saying that he want to go to mexico one day...that would be nice ...and Javier replays : you maybe will.......its kinda ironic that john really went to mexico...but he was hunting down Javier
He wasn't lying when he said he cared for john, he didn't point his gun at arthur and john at the final standoff in chapter 6
He does aim at Arthur just before the shooting starts but everyone ignores it for some reason
@@user-hx6gs9rq7u The actor confirmed he didn't want aim at his brothers and that's why it matters that Javier is hesitating, more than the milisecond of cutscene to gameplay transition that's only visible pausing in the right millisecond. Plus when John and Arthur are escaping from Pinkertons, you are chased by Dutch, Micah, Cleet and Joe who are shooting at you. Javier and Bill are not in this part, I feel that's enough evidence even if he sided with Dutch, it's important to his character he never wanted go againt John then.
Remember in RDR2, after Dutch drowns Angelo Bronte then feeds him to an alligator. He says, "the way I see it it's either him or me. The way I see it, might as well be him."
That's where John heard it from. And repeats that to javier here😮💥
I think javier was a true brother to John and Arthur, In the stand-off scene at beaver hollow the literal actor for javier said “he didn’t raise his gun at John and Arthur because he believed javier wouldn’t do that” what a true brother javier was to the gang, he didn’t deserve this
He actually does point his gun at Arthur if you look at him just before the pinkertons start shooting
It's smart that in RDR2, Javier was one of the riders there when John got shot and was abandoned.
3:41 that quote hits different….
The sad part about this is that John must lie to himself about his old life, so it can be easier for him to just give away the people that, despite their betrayal, were still held dear deep inside John's heart.
Javier, on the other hand, really misses those old days, and since he was manipulated by Dutch, he felt like John betrayed everything he cared for and now was the reason for either his death sentence or his encarceration for life.
If John had to find sean, john wouldn't make it back to the farm they would be in ireland probably drinking
0:42 I love that line.
Dutch sais this line in rdr2
Nice pfp. Great to see a fellow John with a good taste.
@@Anxious_bastard cheers brother 🤙🏼🍻
Wow his accent really came back strong once he started living in Mexico
I played rdr1 before rdr2 and I didn't even realize until now that he was Javier
Same here, it’s like they were completely different characters lol
I'd take this remastered over a rd3
Javier is one of my favorite character. Is nice, romantic, he has very good skills.
I'm kinda happy we don't have to kill Javier. Out of all the Gang members who betrayed John and Arthur, Javier is the only one I kinda liked
But I imagine the FBI do the same to Javier as they did to Strauss
Javir regrets he’s whole life
Jhon Marston...el hombre que ni con un ejército fue derrotado...el hombre que valía por 100
I played rdr1 when it first came out, now I’m playing rdr2 first then im gonna replay rdr1 right after
You are CI?
0:45
He said the same thing Dutch said after drowning Bronte.
I love that sound Javier made when he fall at 2:10