In red dead redemption 2, Javier says to Arthur when they’re looking for John in chapter 1. “If the situation were reversed, he’d look for me.” Little did Javier know, he was right, but it wasn’t because John wanted to, he HAD to
@@marcog5715 Except the situation wasn’t reversed it was a completely different situation 😂 not sure why people act like it’s foreshadowing, the only part that’s somewhat foreshadowing is “he’d look for me” but thats only if you take it out of context
@@TripleNKing Just keeping it a buck, everyone else is simping for a dude that literally betrays John and they act like John is the traitor here. It’s ok to like Javier but everyone that does blatantly ignores the parts of the story that make Javier a bad person. Maybe not this particular comment but on most of the other ones I replied to
Its weird playing RDR2 and John and Javier seem especially close. They have a lot of camp interactions and John really tried to reach out to him in CH6 since Javier saved his life and and tries to say Dutch isn't his family but Javier takes it bad and things sour between them.
If you did the early mission (Arthur fishing with Dutch, chapter 2 I think. The camp in the swamps but not the house) Javier says that he will always be loyal to Dutch no matter what happens, and that Arthur should too because of how good Dutch was to them growing up.)
@@donthaveaname1086to be fair he’s been with dutch the least was eating out of garbage cans before him and he’s younger than them he prob had big qualms “biting the hand that fed him”
You just said yourself what happened, they were once brothers who fell out bc of personal differences and lifestyle changes and it all came crashing down the moment John fell off the train and was subsequently left behind by not just Dutch and Micah, but Javier as well. People somehow forget where Javier was during the last train heist
I always chose to kill Javier as he always believed in freedom and wanted to live free. The way he rides his horse away from you trying to escape thinking of freedom is such a poetic ending to him. John even tears up
Lol he doesn't tear up. Shut up and stop copying other wrong things. The worst thing about the rdr community are a hive mind, everyone copies each others misperception
@@IndoJordy I know, it breaks my heart. Especially after their interaction in chapter 6 where Javier says to John that he’s an arrogant son of a bitch but I think it’s better to end it yourself then let your brother hang, alone, with no sense of freedom
@@justice_of_RUclips trust me pal I ain’t no part of the “hive mind”. My takes and opinions are far different from the average RDR fan and me saying John tears up wasn’t something I saw online, just something I noticed while replaying the game on my Xbox One
I let him live, I like to watch the cutscene and I always liked Javier. People saying letting him live will actually let him live but ross for sure kills him after
It's not just Ross. Javier had done way too much to just sit in a jail cell for the rest of his life. Had he ve captured back in rdr 2, they would've hung him
Exactly bro people see this cutscene and act like he’s reaching out to John and that John is the cold one, casually forgetting that line alone that shows he’s not just willing to betray Bill but he’s lying to John about Dutch bc Dutch was never in Columbia, he was up near Tall Trees in hiding. He’s manipulating John the entire cutscene and John isn’t buying into any of it
he was buying time to take John by surprise by playing on his lust for revenge. He wasn't gonna wait for John to accept. Besides, Dutch at the time wasn't in Colombia but in Blackwater. Javier was doing the exact opposite of giving him up.
Javier was clearly lying, he either wasn't going to give up Dutch or just really didn't know where Dutch was and was trying to come up with something (what I believe) because he tells John that Dutch is in Colombia which he clearly isn't
@@josephstalin2606 Javier lied about Dutch location... Wich prove HE DIDNT BETRAYED Dutch. Not only he Never betrayed any one on the gang... He run away from John when we all know he could had killed him in that room (he was fast with his knife).
@@nicolasgarcia248 He lied about Columbia because he didn’t even know where Dutch was, he hadn’t seen Dutch since the gang fell apart 12 years before. That doesn’t prove any loyalty he only lied to John so he can weasel his way out of it not to mention he was ready to give up Bill who he did know where he was hiding. Saying he didn’t betray anyone in the gang is a flat out lie because he’s literally seen with Dutch when John falls off the train and everyone knows Dutch Micah and Javier left John for dead, that’s why John even accused him of that in the first game so he betrayed John and he didn’t try to kill John in that room because John already had his gun pointed at Javier, John would shoot Javier instantly if he tried to draw his weapon gun or knife
Javier: “Dutch is in Columbia I can take you straight to him” Shortly After: “We have reason to believe Dutch Van Der Linde is in the area” Damn Javier whole ass tried to lie his way out of it 😂
from what i saw in the camp throughout red dead 2 javier and john were actually kind of close friends. they joke sometimes together are a lot of times together in the camp. also how javier and arthur rescue john in colter show that javier actually really liked john and i 100% believe that javier didn’t wanted to go against john and arthur in the end but he kind of had to because he was so loyal to durch and was probably so fucking confused and also hurt because of everything.
i wish john would have acknowledged some of that in red dead redemption. like to show that he forgives javier because he knows that he was a good man and it were just the circumstances in the end
If you look at the scene where Dutch, Micah, Bill and the gang pointing their guns on Arthur and John, you can notice Javier is the only one on Dutch side to put his gun up to the sky… sad details but shows how confused he must be at the moment :(
Javier said “one day I promise you your gonna regret this” which makes sense in the ending knowing John did all that work to kill his past family like friends for his family but got backstabbed and killed for killing Bill Javier and Dutch
He doesn’t have a choice so no I don’t think he regrets doing something he’s already forced to do. If anything it’s easier that it’s him bc of how Javier left him to die in the train heist, this is why John is so cold towards him bc he doesn’t forgive him for how he betrayed him. John would have way more internal struggle if he was tasked to find any of the good gang members that never betrayed him
@@yol_n It was the government ur right, I guess he’s just saying Javier foreshadowed his demise with that comment, not that Javier had anything to do with his death
@@josephstalin2606 If Javier helped John in rdr2 he would’ve been killed by Dutch or atleast that’s what he was afraid of and shows it towards the very end although he dosent point his gun at Arthur and John, there’s also that scene where if John kills Javier he sheds a tear when he throws him in the cell.
Javier wasnt on the train. Bill was. But even then it was most likely discussed amongst all of them to let Arthur and John die if they had the chance, thats why they were the only ones to board the train at the start.
He’s literally one of the men that DID go back for him, that’s why John says that in the first game 😂 U act like just bc Javier was cool and respected Arthur even at the end he automatically had that same exact relationship with John when he clearly didn’t, by the end of rdr2 he hates John. Also I’m pretty sure it was planned ahead of time to let John and/or Arthur get killed and not help them, notice how Dutch sends both of them to secure the very back of the train?
@@juanalonso8149 as a huge GTA fan and the other rockstar ips... I have to agree, Red Dead 1 mexico is just unmatched. Even the sequel wasnt able to surpass it for me, Rd1 was truly something else
When I first played RDR 1, I always chose to caught Javier alive because my main target was Bill after him and his gang members shot Marston at the Fort Mercer. But, after playing RDR 2, I felt pity for Javier since his background story was also a very hard one plus he never really wanted John to die-Escuella was just another gang member following Dutch for loyalty and survivability.
Javier was still a bad person and deserved to die. It doesn't matter if he was better than other bad people, he never tried to redeem himself like Arthur or John. He continued to take advantage of and kill innocent people.
So did y’all forget he’s literally one of the guys who “went back” for John and came back empty handed? Javier just stands in the background silently, no expression on his face, as Dutch and Micah blatantly lie about John being killed. This is literally what John confronts him on when he sees him again in rdr1. It’s like u guys don’t pay attention or something just bc Javier had like 2 cutscenes where he was a cool guy to Arthur 😂
In my very first playthrough, I fully intended to kill Javier. When I got to the mission, I actually changed my mind for reasons unknown and let him live. I did do a post game replay of this mission and killed him there just to see the interaction between Edgar Ross and John.
I feel so much more conflicted about killing him after playing RDR2. He was actually a nice guy to John and Arthur. And I noticed when it all goes downhill in chapter 6, he never really fully points his gun at Arthur and John even when he takes Dutchs side.
@@user-hx6gs9rq7u Perhaps it changes with low/high honor because right before the Pinkertons bust in on Beaver Hollow I specifically remember seeing Javier with his gun lowered, glancing between Dutch and Arthur like he was nervous, while Dutch, Bill and Micah all had their guns aimed.
I chose to kill Javier since this is the end of everyone in the van derLan gang. If Bill dies and than Dutch. Javier gotta go too. Especially since John,Uncle and Abigail die next. Any who survived the epilogue of RDR2 is either dead or living there lives.
I loved Javier the whole playthrough of RDR2 (having not played RDR1). I honestly can't believe he sided with Dutch. It seems out of character for him. Then again, he never saw how Dutch and Micah pulled the strings like we did as Arthur.
I suppose they had to make him side with Dutch in RDR2 because he had to, considering his appearance in the first game. The fact he was so likeable in RDR2 makes the betrayal hurt that much more
in a way he didnt side with dutch if you look again when arthur confronts micah and they start pointing guns at each other you can see him hold his gun up he wasnt pointing it at nobody i guess after the fallout between the gang happened and he separated he began to go insane
@@EchoingswaveofArtsin the original script he was holding his gun at Arthur but the voice actor for Javier said that he wouldn't do that as he sees Arthur like a brother so they reanimated it to where his guns in the air
No, otakes sense, dutch is essentially a cult leader and heavily indoctrinated Javier with stories of chivalry and freedom. Dutch's head injury change him started becoming undone. I can see that and loser Hosea would traumatize his to fugeing hard to cope with everything that happened.
It's my head canon is that Javier never knew which side to choose in RDR2 and it drove him into a state of confusion. He was left alone with his confused thoughts for 12 years and he started believing both Dutch and John were in the wrong and he started hating John based off of those thoughts. Kinda sad. Unless of course that's what the 2 games were implying, in which case I'm just stating the obvious. Or maybe there's something about the RDR lore i don't know about.
Ah yes. Javier spends a whole 12 years just being confused. Javier sinply wanted to survive after the gang broke apart and decided to become a contract killer for the very government he went against for a decade. He didn't like John and only wanted to manipulate him in order to survive, turning into something similar to Micah.
He is a secondary character. Thats why. I think he has goog interactions... Besides that, he and bill are just needed cameos to justify RDR1, just like Jack and Abigail. Those who were really wasted are the girls. They only stay at camp except for a mission from each one.
Secondary characters don't need that much spotlight. And, to be honest, Javier is one of the least interesting characters from the gang. Others needed more screentime.
I think Javier just said out of anger that one day John would regret it and curse his family. Basically it can be that he can already understand John and believes that John only does it because he feels betrayed by him because firstly he left him behind in the attack and secondly that he did not join him and Arthur when the Micah was revealed was the traitor of the gang and was on his side because of Dutch. Maybe he finally realized that Micah was the traitor and another reason that Javier had a hard time. He had once believed in Dutch but now his belief in him was destroyed when he realized that he was just crazy and joined the wrong side. He must have regretted not joining Arthur and John, and later accepting his capture and redemption through execution.
kinda? he was nice and so loving sadly dutch fucked him up in the end when arthur confronts micah and they all start pointing guns at each other you see javier not pointing his gun at arthur or john which showed how much he cared obviously tho after the fallout of his family aka the gang ig he just lost it not long after
@@EchoingswaveofArts He left John behind dude wym? The reason he didn’t point a gun at the end is bc the VA didn’t want to be a bad guy and fought to have Javier point the gun up instead, so they gave in and did that to add more to his character but he betrayed John already, he doesn’t point bc Arthur is there and he still respected him but John? He fell out with him already and hated him which is why he says nothing when Dutch lies about John being killed
@@exiledhebrew1994 That happened at the very beginning of the game, a lot changed between then and the end when Javier left him to die after John got shot off the train
I genuinely hope they change the way javier is in rdr bc seeing him in rdr2 being so caring and didn’t even choose to not aim his gun at John and Arthur it doesn’t seem right at all to see him the way he ended up in these endings. Hopefully they make a remake and change his ending
@@FoolishLemurIt is a very negative change that he underwent, but quite real. The people we know tend to change and often for the worse depending on what they have had to live through. Surely the dismantling of the gang was a very hard blow for Javier, In addition to the fact that the Mexican Revolution was taking place in 1911, Javier very possibly went through situations in his life that ended up negatively affecting his personality by not having His old family by his side. A negative change, but quite realistic.
I first played this game in 2012 and I’m still going back to rdr2 now and I’ve only just realised John copies Dutch’s line after he kills Bronte at 0:40
This is what he gets for harrassing john, abigail, uncle charles and arthur in chapter 6. They should remake javiers voice here with gabriel sloyer so it will be even more satisfying to hunt him down
@@justice_of_RUclips to be fair when Dutch found him and accepted him into the gang he was starving, barely knew English, and fled Mexico cause he was wanted there too, and when everyone pointed their guns at John and Arthur Javier pointed his in the air still having feelings for them
what he said ^ javier wasn't evil and he didn't outright hate anyone who didn't side with dutch, i more saw him as a person with a hard decision to make in the moment the gang was splitting up, and since dutch did save him when he found him, it's obvious he would side with the person that saved him. it does seem kinda uncharacteristic for him to hope that john and his family rots in hell, but I'll take it because they didn't fully flesh out what kind of character he'd be in rdr2 so they just wrote him off as your typical baddie outlaw, or it could be he built up resentment to those he thought brought down the gang (aka like when dutch talks about how he kept thinking john was a snake in rdr2) so he probably had a lot of time to think about those previously like john which explains the extreme comment towards him and his family
It actually makes plenty of sense. He was blindly loyal to Dutch and when Dutch left John for dead he chose to do the same instead of standing up to Dutch. A common misconception is that Javier betrayed the gang when in reality he only betrayed John. Some could argue it was John and Arthur who actually betrayed the gang by plotting to steal from Dutchs chest but they had their rightful reasons. Anyways Javier was always a flashy vain man, we just got along with him in RDR2 which is why he didn’t seem that bad but after the gang fell apart he had nothing left except survival and he became hated amongst the rebels in Mexico for being a turncoat and working for Allende. Ryder genuinely doesn’t make as much sense and that’s because the VA left and Rockstar didn’t know what to do with the character, Javier on the other hand was written to be pleasing on the outside but a self centered person on the inside
No, its nothing that deep. Have no idea why he said Colombia though. That's oddly specific and random. Maybe Javier or Dutch spent some time down in south america.
I always took Javier alive. I dont know why but I sort of strived for taking as many of the Ex-Gang in alive even before RDR2. It leads me to a perspective about John that he cant bring himself to kill them outright. The Orders were just a convinient way to spare his own consience.
Same but tbh I don’t think it’s that John can’t bring himself to kill them, for instance Bill dies regardless and it’s better for John to do it then Reyes who doesn’t even know Bill or care about him, and John doesn’t seem to regret executing Bill
Didnt notice the call back to rdr2 when john says “it was you or me, way i see it, might as well be you”, is the same thing dutch said after he killed angelo bronte
In RDR2, Bill and Javier still believed in Dutch. Here, Javier was willing to sell out his ‘messiah’, his idol, the person he revered and put blind faith in. An ugly fall from grace. So much for loyalty. He talked about having a good life, running from Mexico, starving and confused until Dutch saved him. Said he wouldn’t go back to Mexico even if he was free to go, that his home and his family was now with the gang. He’s turned around from all that, went back to square one in Mexico, still confused and without family.
He wasn’t gonna sell out Dutch bc he’s literally lying about him being in Columbia 😂 He’s just saying that to John hoping it lowers his guard and that then he can use that moment to try and kill John or escape like a coward (most likely the latter). But he 100% would’ve given up Bill, in fact he literally does the moment you capture him 😂
I mean, Ross was holding captive his entire family. I wouldn't have had any problem killing my old friends who left me for dead to save my family either.
Im so glad i played rdr2 1st and for the 1st time in 2021. Went and ordered rdr off amazon and story was just amazing. Playing as arthur than john and john in his own game made so much sense.
rdr implies that javier did something awful to john and that he was a big bad of the gang, but in rdr2 we see that he was a good man, a deluded freedom fighter who gave his trust to the bad guy and refused to accept reality when his mentor went crazy. This is one of the reasons why rdr needs a remake, it doesn't make sense for john to be so salty and even spit at javier's corpse, javier wasn't even the one tasked to rescue him when he got shot on the train so he didn't leave him to die, he even aimed upwards when the rest of the gang was ready to execute john and arthur
Javier was a survivor in both games. Javier abandoned John with Dutch and Micah in their last train robbery that hurt John. Javier abandoned Dutch to save himself when Pinkertons came to the camp. Javier did things out of his own survivalism. He used to care about survivalism of the gang but by the end he only cared about his own.
So I ended up playing RDR2 before 1 because I didn't have a playstation and the port for switch only came out recently. I'm glad it ended up happening that way because my attachment to the characters made the story that much more compelling to me. If i had played only RDR1, javier and bill and dutch ect would have just been another villain, as I don't think they were built up enough for the player to make you care.. but with all of RDR2 as well? this story hit me a lot harder haha
I nad no issues with Javier. When RDR2 started he was a standup guy. When Arthur hesitated to go search for Marsten, Javier said “He’d do it for us”. I think he was just to easily influenced by Micah and Dutch. Same with Bill. But Bill was actually stupid. Lol.
I noticed how Javier said “children” instead of child, I doubt he knew John had a daughter but she passed away at a young age, it just makes me wonder if he did know
Man i was thinking john was a bad guy this whole game and most of rdr2 until i got to the point where dutch actually leaves arthur and then lies about john dying, then i realized john was just doing what arthur wouldve wanted him to do
Everyone on hear forgetting the one thing John kept saying. Javier was one of the gang that left John after he got shot on the train. If you noticed, they left Lenny too running by him, only Arthur stopped to check if he was actually dead.
As someone who played rdr2 first, I couldn't kill him. I liked Javier. He wasn't a bad guy. He was just very loyal, which is actually a good thing, but he was blinded by his loyalty. I also found it sad to see how Javier has changed. In rdr2 he seemed very intelligent and rational but in rdr1 he seemed more like he had lost his mind over the years. This also applies to his appearance. While he looked very clean and Well dressed in rdr2, he looked pretty run down in rdr1. After the fall of the Van der Linde Gang, his mental state only went down probably.
@@DRTMD09 You’re forgetting how Javier literally left John for dead, pay attention to where he is during the last train robbery, and how he doesn’t speak up as Dutch and Micah lie to Arthur about John being killed by the patrol. Idk why everyone says “he lost his mind” when in reality he literally betrays his fellow revolutionaries and works for a dictator. He also killed plenty of rebels and took their women to be SA’d by said dictator, he was an actual monster all the gang stuff aside which is why everyone in Mexico despises Javier and helps John capture him. Also his run down clothes are because he’s a hitman for Allende so he has to blend in with the other peasants/rebels, not because he “lost his mind”. Even in this cutscene it shows just how conniving Javier is by trying to manipulate John
Next playthrough I'm killing the man because it's unfair to him that all the other members die free by John's hand, but Javier gets to be the only one to be caught under the law's wrath
I prefer Javiers voice acting and character in RDR1, seems light hearted and fun, but a very slippery guy like Jack Sparrow. Fits with the story of Marston hunting down degenerates.
I feel like killing Javier is the canon because its almost as if John is giving him a mercy by not handing him over alive. Plus it gives Ross more of a reason to see John as a monster not knowing the entire story behind the history.
I’m not gonna lie. I shot Javier in both of his legs and then executed him 😂 Knowing what he did during the downfall of the gang I didn’t want him alive. Everybody says that he didn’t point his gun at Arthur or John but that’s not true. In the VERY last shot you can see him slowly put his gun towards them. Not to mention he shoots at them during the chase. rest in piss Javier you will not be missed
i showed in reddit WITH A PHOTO that Javier actually pointed the gun to marston and ppl downvoted my post like hell lmao is not hard to accept the reality(anyway i didnt kill him bc canonically john didnt kill any of them 3 by himself)
@@adrierreemeese yeah people will believe the stupidest shit just cause of their feelings. Reddits is like the worst place for that. Especially for normal people. Stay Hard my brother
@@CoolBeansYoFohShizzleno he wasn’t bro and neither was bill rewatch the scene it was just Micah, Dutch, Cleet and Joe who were the ones shooting, after the pinkertons showed up Javier and Bill ran off and went their own ways
After playing RDR2 I decided to kill him every time. Better to die free by the hands of a former comrade than in captivity. "If we have to fight, we fight. If we have to run, we'll run. If we must die, we'll die, but... we'll stay free." -Javier.
Before RDR2, I let him live. After RDR2, I didn’t hesitate to riddle him with bullets. Granted, he was there saving John in the beginning, and was kind to Abigail and little Jack. But after all that, he betrayed John and Arthur instead of making up his mind and join the two. Yeah, I noticed he wasn’t pointing his gun at them but that still didn’t change the fact that Javier wouldn’t also hesitate to try to kill John in RDR1. That said, Javier was great and all back then, but time pass and time changes the person drastically. One corpse (Javier) in the car, another corpse is next (Bill).
That’s not a tear idk why everyone says that 😂 John didn’t care about Javier after Javier literally left him to die. Plus from the words of John’s own VA when he was asking if he should cry when saying bye to Arthur the writers told him “John Marston does not cry”
Por mais que os jogos sejam entrelaçados, isso é uma prova que sacrificaram certas narrativas no 2, o Javier do 2 nao diria oque disse no 1 sobre a famila de John, e John nao tem motivos para tratar ele com tanto rancor, ate porque no começo do 2, Javier junto ao Arthur é o unico disposto a correr risco para procurar John na montanha de neve em meio aos lobos, fora que Arthur é importante demais para nao ser citado em nenhuma das conversas entre os antigos membros da gang, principalmente os principais como o proprio Javier, ele facilmente foi levado pela lealdade a Dutch, por ter sido o unico que o ajudou, mas ele nao é nem de longe ruim e merecedor de um final tao morno igual ao 1.
I always thought itd be interesting if Javier had escaped his execution (maybe the Pinkertons falsify the news to make themselves look better) and returns to Mexico where he helps to bring down General Sanchez. Maybe years later hed encounter Jack who pretends not to know him so he doesn't have to kill him, like at the end of The Outlaw Josey Wales
@@JavertRA That doesn’t make much sense because Javier was literally working for Allende who himself was working for Sanchez. And Javier did all of Allendes dirty work like killing young rebels and taking their women to be SA’d that’s why all the peasants in Mexico hate Javier and help John capture him. Javier betrayed his fellow revolutionaries to save his own life just like how he did to John when he left him to die and when he didn’t have Arthur’s back, he deserved to die
“We thought you was dead, brother, I promise.” “I was standing right there when you turned on me and Arthur, tf you mean you thought I was dead?!” Yeah, like any prequel, it’s impossible to get *all* the details lined up - especially when the new story has to override details of the old one with the story they want to tell - but it still sucks when you get moments like this that just can’t work with RDR2’s ending when you revisit the first game. :/
It would be great if they remade those dialogues for a remaster and have John say "then you, Micah and Dutch went crazy and family didn't mean so much"
Instead of RDO for RDR2, there should have been DLC that shows us an alternative timeline that shows everyone siding with Arthur and John against Micah, his goons, and Dutch
Javier once braved a snowstorm because John would have done it for him. Then the dumb🍑 followed Micah. All of a sudden, John gets left behind and tossed in jail. People showed up but Javier didn’t. After RDR2, anytime Mr. Fancy Pants mouths off he gets shot.
I genuinely tried to bring Javier back in alive, shot him in the leg when he tried to escape. When I hogtied him, I accidentally hit the wrong button and cut him free, but for some reason I couldn't lasso him when he was trying to crawl away, and I didn't want to restart from the checkpoint because I was scared I'd miss the shot to wound him.
After playing RD2, Javier wasn't lying. He did believe John was dead since he stayed back on the train when Dutch left John to die. He only sided with Dutch during the final mission because Dutch was not only like a father figure to him, but also because Dutch had more men on his side. He was the only one who hesitated to aim at John and Arthur. I genuinely think Javier did care for John.
Anyone else hate those people that say John wipes a tear away for Javier ? Like no he doesn’t. Can tell they only came here from RDR2 acting like they know all when they don’t know shit
Alternate ending when Jack saves Javier in 1914 -> ruclips.net/video/4lM5m4O-M7U/видео.html
Hearing Javier say he hopes John and his family rot in hell makes me feel sad knowing how much he cared about John and Jack in RDR2
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After chapter 5 he didn't give a shit about any of them
Its so sad how Dutch corrupted the gang and ruined everyone
@@justice_of_RUclips hi💊
@@gixnlucagaming why the pill?
John might've believed Javier if he said Dutch was in Tahiti instead of Colombia.
Lol
Colombia*
ARTHUR WE CAN TAKE A BOAT FROM NEW YORK TO AUSTRALIA ARTHUA WE JUST NEED MORE NOISE I HAVE A GODDAM PLAN
You forgot that this game was made before RDR2 and the idea of Tahiti probably didn't exist
@@turkeyleg72r/woosh
In red dead redemption 2, Javier says to Arthur when they’re looking for John in chapter 1. “If the situation were reversed, he’d look for me.” Little did Javier know, he was right, but it wasn’t because John wanted to, he HAD to
That didn't last long when he basically left him to die later
@@marcog5715 Except the situation wasn’t reversed it was a completely different situation 😂 not sure why people act like it’s foreshadowing, the only part that’s somewhat foreshadowing is “he’d look for me” but thats only if you take it out of context
@@josephstalin2606bro your such a depressing person
@@TripleNKing Just keeping it a buck, everyone else is simping for a dude that literally betrays John and they act like John is the traitor here. It’s ok to like Javier but everyone that does blatantly ignores the parts of the story that make Javier a bad person. Maybe not this particular comment but on most of the other ones I replied to
@@josephstalin2606 no simping lmao but its just a tiny thing they didnt have to add
Its weird playing RDR2 and John and Javier seem especially close. They have a lot of camp interactions and John really tried to reach out to him in CH6 since Javier saved his life and and tries to say Dutch isn't his family but Javier takes it bad and things sour between them.
If you did the early mission (Arthur fishing with Dutch, chapter 2 I think. The camp in the swamps but not the house) Javier says that he will always be loyal to Dutch no matter what happens, and that Arthur should too because of how good Dutch was to them growing up.)
@@donthaveaname1086to be fair he’s been with dutch the least was eating out of garbage cans before him and he’s younger than them he prob had big qualms “biting the hand that fed him”
Yeah
You just said yourself what happened, they were once brothers who fell out bc of personal differences and lifestyle changes and it all came crashing down the moment John fell off the train and was subsequently left behind by not just Dutch and Micah, but Javier as well. People somehow forget where Javier was during the last train heist
Idk I felt like bill and Arthur had more moments
I always chose to kill Javier as he always believed in freedom and wanted to live free. The way he rides his horse away from you trying to escape thinking of freedom is such a poetic ending to him. John even tears up
I get what you aiming for, but still after rdr 2 it’s painful
Lol he doesn't tear up. Shut up and stop copying other wrong things. The worst thing about the rdr community are a hive mind, everyone copies each others misperception
@@IndoJordy I know, it breaks my heart. Especially after their interaction in chapter 6 where Javier says to John that he’s an arrogant son of a bitch but I think it’s better to end it yourself then let your brother hang, alone, with no sense of freedom
@@justice_of_RUclips trust me pal I ain’t no part of the “hive mind”. My takes and opinions are far different from the average RDR fan and me saying John tears up wasn’t something I saw online, just something I noticed while replaying the game on my Xbox One
Hes gonna die anyways lol
I let him live, I like to watch the cutscene and I always liked Javier. People saying letting him live will actually let him live but ross for sure kills him after
Yeah me 2
It's not just Ross. Javier had done way too much to just sit in a jail cell for the rest of his life. Had he ve captured back in rdr 2, they would've hung him
Well depends on the situation and how much Javier is willing to rat. But let’s be real I am being optimistic here.
@@Mentelgen-1337if ross ends up betraying john and killing him after everything he did for him then he for sure killed Javier
like i said optimism. @@kaiserwave5977
1:16 when he offered to give everyone else up he proved john right. He is the kind of man that will abandon or betray others to survive.
Exactly bro people see this cutscene and act like he’s reaching out to John and that John is the cold one, casually forgetting that line alone that shows he’s not just willing to betray Bill but he’s lying to John about Dutch bc Dutch was never in Columbia, he was up near Tall Trees in hiding. He’s manipulating John the entire cutscene and John isn’t buying into any of it
he was buying time to take John by surprise by playing on his lust for revenge. He wasn't gonna wait for John to accept. Besides, Dutch at the time wasn't in Colombia but in Blackwater. Javier was doing the exact opposite of giving him up.
Javier was clearly lying, he either wasn't going to give up Dutch or just really didn't know where Dutch was and was trying to come up with something (what I believe) because he tells John that Dutch is in Colombia which he clearly isn't
@@josephstalin2606 Javier lied about Dutch location... Wich prove HE DIDNT BETRAYED Dutch.
Not only he Never betrayed any one on the gang... He run away from John when we all know he could had killed him in that room (he was fast with his knife).
@@nicolasgarcia248 He lied about Columbia because he didn’t even know where Dutch was, he hadn’t seen Dutch since the gang fell apart 12 years before. That doesn’t prove any loyalty he only lied to John so he can weasel his way out of it not to mention he was ready to give up Bill who he did know where he was hiding. Saying he didn’t betray anyone in the gang is a flat out lie because he’s literally seen with Dutch when John falls off the train and everyone knows Dutch Micah and Javier left John for dead, that’s why John even accused him of that in the first game so he betrayed John and he didn’t try to kill John in that room because John already had his gun pointed at Javier, John would shoot Javier instantly if he tried to draw his weapon gun or knife
Javier: “Dutch is in Columbia I can take you straight to him”
Shortly After: “We have reason to believe Dutch Van Der Linde is in the area”
Damn Javier whole ass tried to lie his way out of it 😂
Columbia,SC.
@@Piensamalyacertaras yeaaa don't think they were talking about some random town in south Carolina lol
Youre right, hes actually talking about british columbia. @@red4253
@@Piensamalyacertaras He said ''Colombia'' not ''Columbia'' Colombia is a country in south america
@@red4253Columbia is the capital of SC, not some random town
from what i saw in the camp throughout red dead 2 javier and john were actually kind of close friends.
they joke sometimes together are a lot of times together in the camp.
also how javier and arthur rescue john in colter show that javier actually really liked john and i 100% believe that javier didn’t wanted to go against john and arthur in the end but he kind of had to because he was so loyal to durch and was probably so fucking confused and also hurt because of everything.
i wish john would have acknowledged some of that in red dead redemption.
like to show that he forgives javier because he knows that he was a good man and it were just the circumstances in the end
@keine ahnung dikka well rdr2's story was being written after rdr1 was published, so they counted really do that
If you look at the scene where Dutch, Micah, Bill and the gang pointing their guns on Arthur and John, you can notice Javier is the only one on Dutch side to put his gun up to the sky… sad details but shows how confused he must be at the moment :(
@@Thykault Its because the voice actor of Javier told the developers not to aim at Arthur and John
Yeah
"One days about all you got left" damn savage.
Javier said “one day I promise you your gonna regret this” which makes sense in the ending knowing John did all that work to kill his past family like friends for his family but got backstabbed and killed for killing Bill Javier and Dutch
I thought it was the government people who killed John in RDR1 ending?
@@yol_n yeah it was but the government were working with John then betrayed him and there deal and killed Jim
He doesn’t have a choice so no I don’t think he regrets doing something he’s already forced to do. If anything it’s easier that it’s him bc of how Javier left him to die in the train heist, this is why John is so cold towards him bc he doesn’t forgive him for how he betrayed him. John would have way more internal struggle if he was tasked to find any of the good gang members that never betrayed him
@@yol_n It was the government ur right, I guess he’s just saying Javier foreshadowed his demise with that comment, not that Javier had anything to do with his death
@@josephstalin2606 If Javier helped John in rdr2 he would’ve been killed by Dutch or atleast that’s what he was afraid of and shows it towards the very end although he dosent point his gun at Arthur and John, there’s also that scene where if John kills Javier he sheds a tear when he throws him in the cell.
0:55 waluigi casually getting injured in the background
LMAO
Sad part is Javier did think john was dead he stayed on the train it was dutch that lied only dutch,
And micha I guess
Javier wasnt on the train. Bill was. But even then it was most likely discussed amongst all of them to let Arthur and John die if they had the chance, thats why they were the only ones to board the train at the start.
Javier was literally riding with Dutch when he said he went back for John what are you talking about
@@HEYLETZPLAYZ micah"
He’s literally one of the men that DID go back for him, that’s why John says that in the first game 😂 U act like just bc Javier was cool and respected Arthur even at the end he automatically had that same exact relationship with John when he clearly didn’t, by the end of rdr2 he hates John. Also I’m pretty sure it was planned ahead of time to let John and/or Arthur get killed and not help them, notice how Dutch sends both of them to secure the very back of the train?
The Mexico part in rdr1 was so good and fun
Probably the greatest arc in all of rockstar
@@juanalonso8149 as a huge GTA fan and the other rockstar ips... I have to agree, Red Dead 1 mexico is just unmatched. Even the sequel wasnt able to surpass it for me, Rd1 was truly something else
When I first played RDR 1, I always chose to caught Javier alive because my main target was Bill after him and his gang members shot Marston at the Fort Mercer. But, after playing RDR 2, I felt pity for Javier since his background story was also a very hard one plus he never really wanted John to die-Escuella was just another gang member following Dutch for loyalty and survivability.
Javier was still a bad person and deserved to die. It doesn't matter if he was better than other bad people, he never tried to redeem himself like Arthur or John. He continued to take advantage of and kill innocent people.
@@TheAmishTechSupport I don't doubt it. That was another reason for me to capture him alive to let the justice decide his destiny.
@@wolvesgabemaster5385ah yes😂
@@TheAmishTechSupportyou might be right
So did y’all forget he’s literally one of the guys who “went back” for John and came back empty handed? Javier just stands in the background silently, no expression on his face, as Dutch and Micah blatantly lie about John being killed. This is literally what John confronts him on when he sees him again in rdr1. It’s like u guys don’t pay attention or something just bc Javier had like 2 cutscenes where he was a cool guy to Arthur 😂
In my very first playthrough, I fully intended to kill Javier. When I got to the mission, I actually changed my mind for reasons unknown and let him live. I did do a post game replay of this mission and killed him there just to see the interaction between Edgar Ross and John.
"One day about all yours got left" is such a good line
I feel so much more conflicted about killing him after playing RDR2. He was actually a nice guy to John and Arthur. And I noticed when it all goes downhill in chapter 6, he never really fully points his gun at Arthur and John even when he takes Dutchs side.
He actually does, everyone just ignores it for some reason. Just before the shooting starts you can see him aim right at Arthur
@@user-hx6gs9rq7u Perhaps it changes with low/high honor because right before the Pinkertons bust in on Beaver Hollow I specifically remember seeing Javier with his gun lowered, glancing between Dutch and Arthur like he was nervous, while Dutch, Bill and Micah all had their guns aimed.
@@Oswald_Thatendswald It doesn’t, on the last shot before you go back into gameplay pause and you can see Javier aiming right at Arthur
@@user-hx6gs9rq7u Not what I saw.
@@Oswald_Thatendswald Well I got a video on my channel showing it
1:40 this is the same man who helped erase the entire bloodline of a rich powerful family to find one of his childrenn
1:34 hit hard
Ikr 😞
Lol john is good at roasting 😂
It also was completely accurate since he literally had one day in there and he went to Ross and was executed
If notice when John brings Javier in the cell he starts to tear up but he know he betrayed John so he spits on him
I chose to kill Javier since this is the end of everyone in the van derLan gang. If Bill dies and than Dutch. Javier gotta go too. Especially since John,Uncle and Abigail die next. Any who survived the epilogue of RDR2 is either dead or living there lives.
Yeah you right, I couldn’t do it tbh, especially not after rdr 2
@@IndoJordy Meh if you ask me it feels more necessary to kill him.
@@spider-manunknown9193 I always keep him alive, prefer the dialogue and cutscene that way. He definitely gets hanged anyway, so it works for me.
@@cumswag1222 he couldve still lived tbh
@@IndoJordyI prefered killing him after RDR2, cos he sided against Arther in last mission.
Ten years ago i let him live. 4 years ago I let him die.
I loved Javier the whole playthrough of RDR2 (having not played RDR1). I honestly can't believe he sided with Dutch. It seems out of character for him. Then again, he never saw how Dutch and Micah pulled the strings like we did as Arthur.
Yeah it did feel out of character
I suppose they had to make him side with Dutch in RDR2 because he had to, considering his appearance in the first game. The fact he was so likeable in RDR2 makes the betrayal hurt that much more
in a way he didnt side with dutch if you look again when arthur confronts micah and they start pointing guns at each other you can see him hold his gun up he wasnt pointing it at nobody i guess after the fallout between the gang happened and he separated he began to go insane
@@EchoingswaveofArtsin the original script he was holding his gun at Arthur but the voice actor for Javier said that he wouldn't do that as he sees Arthur like a brother so they reanimated it to where his guns in the air
No, otakes sense, dutch is essentially a cult leader and heavily indoctrinated Javier with stories of chivalry and freedom. Dutch's head injury change him started becoming undone.
I can see that and loser Hosea would traumatize his to fugeing hard to cope with everything that happened.
This scene before playing rdr2: 😏😃
After playing rdr2: 😔
İlk rdr1 oynadığım için kim lan bu mal diyip 22 mermili tüfekle taramıştım.
“I’ve always loved you, even now”
**throws box at him**
It's my head canon is that Javier never knew which side to choose in RDR2 and it drove him into a state of confusion. He was left alone with his confused thoughts for 12 years and he started believing both Dutch and John were in the wrong and he started hating John based off of those thoughts. Kinda sad. Unless of course that's what the 2 games were implying, in which case I'm just stating the obvious. Or maybe there's something about the RDR lore i don't know about.
Ah yes. Javier spends a whole 12 years just being confused. Javier sinply wanted to survive after the gang broke apart and decided to become a contract killer for the very government he went against for a decade. He didn't like John and only wanted to manipulate him in order to survive, turning into something similar to Micah.
@@myaltaccountthatiwillbarel2288 that could be true as well.
@@myaltaccountthatiwillbarel2288no reason to be snobby
@@channel45853 I don't think I am.
Javier hated John after he came back from prison. Micah and Dutch manipulated him into feeling that way
How did we get 2 games with Javier Escuella,
and he was criminally underused BOTH times??
He is a secondary character. Thats why.
I think he has goog interactions... Besides that, he and bill are just needed cameos to justify RDR1, just like Jack and Abigail.
Those who were really wasted are the girls. They only stay at camp except for a mission from each one.
Secondary characters don't need that much spotlight. And, to be honest, Javier is one of the least interesting characters from the gang. Others needed more screentime.
I think Javier just said out of anger that one day John would regret it and curse his family. Basically it can be that he can already understand John and believes that John only does it because he feels betrayed by him because firstly he left him behind in the attack and secondly that he did not join him and Arthur when the Micah was revealed was the traitor of the gang and was on his side because of Dutch. Maybe he finally realized that Micah was the traitor and another reason that Javier had a hard time. He had once believed in Dutch but now his belief in him was destroyed when he realized that he was just crazy and joined the wrong side. He must have regretted not joining Arthur and John, and later accepting his capture and redemption through execution.
Kinda sad we kill Javier. He was kinda nice in Rdr2
kinda? he was nice and so loving sadly dutch fucked him up in the end when arthur confronts micah and they all start pointing guns at each other you see javier not pointing his gun at arthur or john which showed how much he cared obviously tho after the fallout of his family aka the gang ig he just lost it not long after
@@EchoingswaveofArts He left John behind dude wym? The reason he didn’t point a gun at the end is bc the VA didn’t want to be a bad guy and fought to have Javier point the gun up instead, so they gave in and did that to add more to his character but he betrayed John already, he doesn’t point bc Arthur is there and he still respected him but John? He fell out with him already and hated him which is why he says nothing when Dutch lies about John being killed
he was a bitch in RDR 1
@@josephstalin2606he saved John from the wolves
@@exiledhebrew1994 That happened at the very beginning of the game, a lot changed between then and the end when Javier left him to die after John got shot off the train
Dude John shed a tear seeing javier dead on the floor
And then spat on him after remembering the betrayal.
@@lucasmartinez5703 true🤣🤣🤣
Tears of joy 😂
@@lucasmartinez5703 hawk tuah
I genuinely hope they change the way javier is in rdr bc seeing him in rdr2 being so caring and didn’t even choose to not aim his gun at John and Arthur it doesn’t seem right at all to see him the way he ended up in these endings. Hopefully they make a remake and change his ending
no
@@9cross explain
@@FoolishLemurIt is a very negative change that he underwent, but quite real. The people we know tend to change and often for the worse depending on what they have had to live through. Surely the dismantling of the gang was a very hard blow for Javier, In addition to the fact that the Mexican Revolution was taking place in 1911, Javier very possibly went through situations in his life that ended up negatively affecting his personality by not having His old family by his side. A negative change, but quite realistic.
You do realize rdr1 came out first
Why should they remake this game which is already perfect just because the second game fucked things up?
I first played this game in 2012 and I’m still going back to rdr2 now and I’ve only just realised John copies Dutch’s line after he kills Bronte at 0:40
This is what he gets for harrassing john, abigail, uncle charles and arthur in chapter 6.
They should remake javiers voice here with gabriel sloyer so it will be even more satisfying to hunt him down
You liked hunting him down ?
@@IndoJordy yes, i hate him. He was incredibly arrogant to john and arthur and blindly defended everything dutch did
Yeah in ch 6
@@justice_of_RUclips to be fair when Dutch found him and accepted him into the gang he was starving, barely knew English, and fled Mexico cause he was wanted there too, and when everyone pointed their guns at John and Arthur Javier pointed his in the air still having feelings for them
what he said ^ javier wasn't evil and he didn't outright hate anyone who didn't side with dutch, i more saw him as a person with a hard decision to make in the moment the gang was splitting up, and since dutch did save him when he found him, it's obvious he would side with the person that saved him. it does seem kinda uncharacteristic for him to hope that john and his family rots in hell, but I'll take it because they didn't fully flesh out what kind of character he'd be in rdr2 so they just wrote him off as your typical baddie outlaw, or it could be he built up resentment to those he thought brought down the gang (aka like when dutch talks about how he kept thinking john was a snake in rdr2) so he probably had a lot of time to think about those previously like john which explains the extreme comment towards him and his family
Javier’s betrayal still makes no sense. Same with Ryder from (GTA SA). They’re both very similar.
Ryder betrayed the gang cause the voice actor left , and Javier betrayed the gang cause of his loyalty to Dutch
It actually makes plenty of sense. He was blindly loyal to Dutch and when Dutch left John for dead he chose to do the same instead of standing up to Dutch. A common misconception is that Javier betrayed the gang when in reality he only betrayed John. Some could argue it was John and Arthur who actually betrayed the gang by plotting to steal from Dutchs chest but they had their rightful reasons. Anyways Javier was always a flashy vain man, we just got along with him in RDR2 which is why he didn’t seem that bad but after the gang fell apart he had nothing left except survival and he became hated amongst the rebels in Mexico for being a turncoat and working for Allende. Ryder genuinely doesn’t make as much sense and that’s because the VA left and Rockstar didn’t know what to do with the character, Javier on the other hand was written to be pleasing on the outside but a self centered person on the inside
*Sees guy holding corpse of friend*
TWO FREINDS REUNITED IT IS A BEAUTIFUL THING
That dude's a properly crooked. Got a blood thirst that rivals the worst folks in these games and ended up becoming a dictator Appearently.
1:01 I find it curious that Javier had mentioned my country. Did Rockstar had a possible idea for DLC or a possible sequel/third game in Colombia?
I dont think so
No. Javier was lying to save his skin.
No, its nothing that deep. Have no idea why he said Colombia though. That's oddly specific and random. Maybe Javier or Dutch spent some time down in south america.
I personally think the canon ending for Javier is that John kills him because John killed bill as-well.
I always took Javier alive. I dont know why but I sort of strived for taking as many of the Ex-Gang in alive even before RDR2.
It leads me to a perspective about John that he cant bring himself to kill them outright. The Orders were just a convinient way to spare his own consience.
Same but tbh I don’t think it’s that John can’t bring himself to kill them, for instance Bill dies regardless and it’s better for John to do it then Reyes who doesn’t even know Bill or care about him, and John doesn’t seem to regret executing Bill
Jack : you killed my father edgar: witch one john or javier
Bro you doesnt play the game
This is possibly the dumbest theory in all the red dead games and I hate it’s caught on
@@NeroSparda99 agree
Jack: what the fu
Didnt notice the call back to rdr2 when john says “it was you or me, way i see it, might as well be you”, is the same thing dutch said after he killed angelo bronte
In RDR2, Bill and Javier still believed in Dutch. Here, Javier was willing to sell out his ‘messiah’, his idol, the person he revered and put blind faith in. An ugly fall from grace. So much for loyalty.
He talked about having a good life, running from Mexico, starving and confused until Dutch saved him. Said he wouldn’t go back to Mexico even if he was free to go, that his home and his family was now with the gang. He’s turned around from all that, went back to square one in Mexico, still confused and without family.
He wasn’t gonna sell out Dutch bc he’s literally lying about him being in Columbia 😂 He’s just saying that to John hoping it lowers his guard and that then he can use that moment to try and kill John or escape like a coward (most likely the latter). But he 100% would’ve given up Bill, in fact he literally does the moment you capture him 😂
I always liked Javier,he was just loyal to Dutch. I just wonder why John sided with the enemy.
Yeah, but also Dutch was the leader so it makes sense
John didnt wanna kill any of his old gang members
He was forced to hunt them down by Ross.
I mean, Ross was holding captive his entire family.
I wouldn't have had any problem killing my old friends who left me for dead to save my family either.
@@dinorex3464 That’s what i’m saying, they betrayed me so i’d go for them if my family was taken 😂
if you look closely, Javier actually aims his gun at the sky when they confront at the end, not at John and Arthur
Im so glad i played rdr2 1st and for the 1st time in 2021. Went and ordered rdr off amazon and story was just amazing. Playing as arthur than john and john in his own game made so much sense.
Looks at john quoting his dad "it is him or us !!!! Figure it might as well be him"
rdr implies that javier did something awful to john and that he was a big bad of the gang, but in rdr2 we see that he was a good man, a deluded freedom fighter who gave his trust to the bad guy and refused to accept reality when his mentor went crazy. This is one of the reasons why rdr needs a remake, it doesn't make sense for john to be so salty and even spit at javier's corpse, javier wasn't even the one tasked to rescue him when he got shot on the train so he didn't leave him to die, he even aimed upwards when the rest of the gang was ready to execute john and arthur
Javier was a survivor in both games. Javier abandoned John with Dutch and Micah in their last train robbery that hurt John. Javier abandoned Dutch to save himself when Pinkertons came to the camp. Javier did things out of his own survivalism. He used to care about survivalism of the gang but by the end he only cared about his own.
@@petermj1098 I disagree
The first game shouldn’t need to be remade over things the second game messed up
@@user-hx6gs9rq7uso giving someone more character is a mess up
@@BlehhhXPWriting a character to be nothing like they were described is a mess up
He dies ether way you can finally a newspaper that takes place in 1914 talking about how Javier was hanged and Edgar Ross is cretited
There is a giant difference between Javier in rdr1 and 2.
So I ended up playing RDR2 before 1 because I didn't have a playstation and the port for switch only came out recently. I'm glad it ended up happening that way because my attachment to the characters made the story that much more compelling to me. If i had played only RDR1, javier and bill and dutch ect would have just been another villain, as I don't think they were built up enough for the player to make you care.. but with all of RDR2 as well? this story hit me a lot harder haha
I nad no issues with Javier. When RDR2 started he was a standup guy. When Arthur hesitated to go search for Marsten, Javier said “He’d do it for us”. I think he was just to easily influenced by Micah and Dutch. Same with Bill. But Bill was actually stupid. Lol.
John had such great dialogue in rdr1
What makes the first scene even cold is the golden relover
Javier is the only one to not aim a gun at Arthur John and Susan
Frankly, that don't mean too much since he still left John to die and left with Dutch.
He literally does aim his gun at Arthur and John, just slowly.
"If we have to fight, we fight. If we have to run, we'll run. If we must die, we'll die, but... we'll stay free."
I noticed how Javier said “children” instead of child, I doubt he knew John had a daughter but she passed away at a young age, it just makes me wonder if he did know
Man i was thinking john was a bad guy this whole game and most of rdr2 until i got to the point where dutch actually leaves arthur and then lies about john dying, then i realized john was just doing what arthur wouldve wanted him to do
Javier was confirmed to have been hanged after handed in alive
Everyone on hear forgetting the one thing John kept saying. Javier was one of the gang that left John after he got shot on the train.
If you noticed, they left Lenny too running by him, only Arthur stopped to check if he was actually dead.
"You Puto" As sad as the scene was, this line will always kill me.
what does it mean? i know zero spanish does it mean bitch?
@@EchoingswaveofArtsuh according to Google it means “prostitute”💀
I just like javier cuz he's a cool mexican dude
As someone who played rdr2 first, I couldn't kill him. I liked Javier. He wasn't a bad guy. He was just very loyal, which is actually a good thing, but he was blinded by his loyalty. I also found it sad to see how Javier has changed. In rdr2 he seemed very intelligent and rational but in rdr1 he seemed more like he had lost his mind over the years. This also applies to his appearance. While he looked very clean and Well dressed in rdr2, he looked pretty run down in rdr1. After the fall of the Van der Linde Gang, his mental state only went down probably.
Same with old Dutch.
@@DRTMD09 You’re forgetting how Javier literally left John for dead, pay attention to where he is during the last train robbery, and how he doesn’t speak up as Dutch and Micah lie to Arthur about John being killed by the patrol. Idk why everyone says “he lost his mind” when in reality he literally betrays his fellow revolutionaries and works for a dictator. He also killed plenty of rebels and took their women to be SA’d by said dictator, he was an actual monster all the gang stuff aside which is why everyone in Mexico despises Javier and helps John capture him. Also his run down clothes are because he’s a hitman for Allende so he has to blend in with the other peasants/rebels, not because he “lost his mind”. Even in this cutscene it shows just how conniving Javier is by trying to manipulate John
Anybody noticed that somebody went into Javiers cell untied him and handcuffed him instead during the shootout with the Mexican army?
Next playthrough I'm killing the man because it's unfair to him that all the other members die free by John's hand, but Javier gets to be the only one to be caught under the law's wrath
He deserves it though
@@justice_of_RUclips yeah youre right, but bill and dutch deserved worse, but died free compared to what a poor following dog like javier got
@@ilikepigeons6101 bill was just dumb and misguided, i don't hate him as much. Javier was a more subtle micah
@@justice_of_RUclips i hate bill cuz he ran a gang of degenerates in this game
@@ilikepigeons6101 Yeah people forget how violent and cruel him and his gang were. Worse than the O'Driscolls
" go with your puto "
John wipes a tear before spitting on Javier’s corpse
3:22 damn all he did was throw a crate at you 😂
No? He left John for dead in RDR2
1:29 "Ah! You puto" Those words had me rolling 🤣🤣
I prefer Javiers voice acting and character in RDR1, seems light hearted and fun, but a very slippery guy like Jack Sparrow. Fits with the story of Marston hunting down degenerates.
"yeah go with your puto!"
Ngl I laughed when Javier said that.
I feel like killing Javier is the canon because its almost as if John is giving him a mercy by not handing him over alive. Plus it gives Ross more of a reason to see John as a monster not knowing the entire story behind the history.
It’s quite sad because Javier used to be friends with John but now it all lead to this. Why would Javier do this?
I love how it cuts from him jumping out the window to him all tied up being carried
I always let Javier live just for old times sake. John probably wouldn't want to kill someone he used to ride with if he had the choice.
I’m not gonna lie. I shot Javier in both of his legs and then executed him 😂 Knowing what he did during the downfall of the gang I didn’t want him alive. Everybody says that he didn’t point his gun at Arthur or John but that’s not true. In the VERY last shot you can see him slowly put his gun towards them. Not to mention he shoots at them during the chase. rest in piss Javier you will not be missed
i showed in reddit WITH A PHOTO that Javier actually pointed the gun to marston and ppl downvoted my post like hell lmao is not hard to accept the reality(anyway i didnt kill him bc canonically john didnt kill any of them 3 by himself)
@@adrierreemeese yeah people will believe the stupidest shit just cause of their feelings. Reddits is like the worst place for that. Especially for normal people. Stay Hard my brother
the chase the people who shot john and arthur was cleet , joe , micah and dutch
@@v0lddr3amz666 Javier was with them bro. He was shooting too.
@@CoolBeansYoFohShizzleno he wasn’t bro and neither was bill rewatch the scene it was just Micah, Dutch, Cleet and Joe who were the ones shooting, after the pinkertons showed up Javier and Bill ran off and went their own ways
Javier not only lost his mind, but also his drip. What a shame
1:21 for some reason this part kills me
After playing RDR2 I decided to kill him every time. Better to die free by the hands of a former comrade than in captivity.
"If we have to fight, we fight. If we have to run, we'll run. If we must die, we'll die, but... we'll stay free." -Javier.
3:12 the moment John was going to take all and leave none tho story wouldn’t be as good but it what we wanted to see
Before RDR2, I let him live.
After RDR2, I didn’t hesitate to riddle him with bullets.
Granted, he was there saving John in the beginning, and was kind to Abigail and little Jack.
But after all that, he betrayed John and Arthur instead of making up his mind and join the two. Yeah, I noticed he wasn’t pointing his gun at them but that still didn’t change the fact that Javier wouldn’t also hesitate to try to kill John in RDR1.
That said, Javier was great and all back then, but time pass and time changes the person drastically. One corpse (Javier) in the car, another corpse is next (Bill).
Actually he did aim right at Arthur at the very last second
I never noticed that he wipes away a tear before he spits on his corpse 🤯
Wiping the side of his face doesn’t mean he’s crying
That’s not a tear idk why everyone says that 😂 John didn’t care about Javier after Javier literally left him to die. Plus from the words of John’s own VA when he was asking if he should cry when saying bye to Arthur the writers told him “John Marston does not cry”
Por mais que os jogos sejam entrelaçados, isso é uma prova que sacrificaram certas narrativas no 2, o Javier do 2 nao diria oque disse no 1 sobre a famila de John, e John nao tem motivos para tratar ele com tanto rancor, ate porque no começo do 2, Javier junto ao Arthur é o unico disposto a correr risco para procurar John na montanha de neve em meio aos lobos, fora que Arthur é importante demais para nao ser citado em nenhuma das conversas entre os antigos membros da gang, principalmente os principais como o proprio Javier, ele facilmente foi levado pela lealdade a Dutch, por ter sido o unico que o ajudou, mas ele nao é nem de longe ruim e merecedor de um final tao morno igual ao 1.
It makes it so much sadder after playing rdr2
I always thought itd be interesting if Javier had escaped his execution (maybe the Pinkertons falsify the news to make themselves look better) and returns to Mexico where he helps to bring down General Sanchez. Maybe years later hed encounter Jack who pretends not to know him so he doesn't have to kill him, like at the end of The Outlaw Josey Wales
FBI not pinkertons
@@user-hx6gs9rq7u Technically BOI.
@@JavertRA That doesn’t make much sense because Javier was literally working for Allende who himself was working for Sanchez. And Javier did all of Allendes dirty work like killing young rebels and taking their women to be SA’d that’s why all the peasants in Mexico hate Javier and help John capture him. Javier betrayed his fellow revolutionaries to save his own life just like how he did to John when he left him to die and when he didn’t have Arthur’s back, he deserved to die
1:31 that was funny hearing him cursing in Mexican Spanish 😂
I'm surprised Javier didn't say "what about loyalty?" and then Dutch's voice echoing in the wind "thank you Javier"
“We thought you was dead, brother, I promise.”
“I was standing right there when you turned on me and Arthur, tf you mean you thought I was dead?!”
Yeah, like any prequel, it’s impossible to get *all* the details lined up - especially when the new story has to override details of the old one with the story they want to tell - but it still sucks when you get moments like this that just can’t work with RDR2’s ending when you revisit the first game. :/
It would be great if they remade those dialogues for a remaster and have John say "then you, Micah and Dutch went crazy and family didn't mean so much"
Instead of RDO for RDR2, there should have been DLC that shows us an alternative timeline that shows everyone siding with Arthur and John against Micah, his goons, and Dutch
Javier once braved a snowstorm because John would have done it for him. Then the dumb🍑 followed Micah. All of a sudden, John gets left behind and tossed in jail. People showed up but Javier didn’t.
After RDR2, anytime Mr. Fancy Pants mouths off he gets shot.
But he did save johns life once
@@IndoJordy That’s why I wait for him to give a reason to shoot him. Noise pollution causes climate change
“oneeee mexican down!”
The years really caught up with Javier
javier seemed shorter in rdr then rdr2, its so sad what happened to the gang in rdr2...dutch going crazy and picking micah over his right hand man.
I genuinely tried to bring Javier back in alive, shot him in the leg when he tried to escape. When I hogtied him, I accidentally hit the wrong button and cut him free, but for some reason I couldn't lasso him when he was trying to crawl away, and I didn't want to restart from the checkpoint because I was scared I'd miss the shot to wound him.
It's funny when Javier says "Yeah, go with your puto!"
John makes a reference to the Angelo Bronte death when he says it was either him or me and the way I see it might as well be him or you
Archer reminding Marston to keep his victims alive makes more sense to why Ross shot Dutch.
After playing RD2, Javier wasn't lying. He did believe John was dead since he stayed back on the train when Dutch left John to die. He only sided with Dutch during the final mission because Dutch was not only like a father figure to him, but also because Dutch had more men on his side. He was the only one who hesitated to aim at John and Arthur.
I genuinely think Javier did care for John.
Anyone else hate those people that say John wipes a tear away for Javier ?
Like no he doesn’t. Can tell they only came here from RDR2 acting like they know all when they don’t know shit
John, you also have to thank Javier very much for saving you on the mountain with Arthur
No he doesn’t. Not anymore. Don’t ignore everything Javier did to John, his family, and Arthur in the end of chapter 6