Yeah to me it seemed like the roles of Arthur and the passerby were switched. High honor Arthur got a lot of snide remarks. Something something real life rewards the bad, not the good
Notice how when high honor Arthur bumps into someone, he apologizes but they remain mad, but when low honor Arthur does they apologize to him. Nice touch
It's true to the real life; people naturally lean to take advantage over calm and polite, but will back down at the mere sight of aggression. Pathetic, really, but that's life.
It’s crazy how Arthur is mostly just saying the same thing in both instances, but with different inflections, different intentions and different implications, it hits VERY differently.
@@amelie-3429 yikes, a voice actor doing the same lines a little different, what a waste of time(sarcasm). Fast food workers must spit in your food with how petty you are about little differences in delivery time
@@kenshin6740 my favorite way to play is Arthur not being the most honorable person for awhile but gradually becomes a better man with high honor over time. I’m sure that’s how a lot of people like it since that’s pretty much what Rockstar was going for with the character
@@brunobernardo3310 the first one is kinda comical saying "there's more where that came from!". The latter is angrier and more serious kinda like more doom will befall them.
High honor deadeye has a very human side to it, the heart beat, the wind Low honor deadeye sounds ominous, hollow, cold and totally detached from any humanity
stop equating in context to associate 'Humanity' to something positive and what it means to be 'Human' when that's all propaganda BS to spread the narrative that Humans can just be ever-loving, noble etc. and something that is not deemed that way then gets labelled a 'monster' or 'inhuman' or 'abnormal' to means to differentiate as much as possible because Humans naturally hate or take issues with something that is deemed 'different' to the socially acceptable 'norms' being a Human is many things, you don't go out labelling Chimpanzees for 'losing their Chimpanzeeness' for being violent and cannibalising one another when that's just a part of what's being a chimpanzee is which goes the same for Humans
Has anyone noticed as well for high honor, Arthur's voice is lighter and more relaxed but for low honor, it has a deeper, more growling like tone to it? Absolutely amazing
@@samgfds1755 to be fair that's just video game logic, Fable is British as fuck and everything aesthetic wise in that game series goes by a white vs black (no racial)/blue vs red scheme in regards to morality.
I like how the low honor Deadeye feels like rage while high feels like focus, it's a really cool bit of attention to detail they added Also I didn't ever notice the heartbeat, I just noticed a pulsing ting of red around the screen border
That’s what I was thinking too. If anything, low honor deadeye is in a less focused state of mind in the sense that he’s just uncaring rather than purposeful in his actions. I like the desert wind sound effect because it makes it seem like his mind is clouded with anger.
For me, the high honor heartbeat feels like adrenaline and survival. He doesn’t want to kill anyone but knows it is life or death, he or them. The lack of a heartbeat in low honor is sadistic. He is heartless, and careless about human life. He’s used to massacre and even enjoys and reminisces on it (background echoes) perhaps it is so routine that he is even bored by it now.
The deadeye differences are interesting. Apart from the heartbeat, in Low Honor you can hear a dry wind blowing, like in the desert. Also the otherworld whispers were another interesting touch.
@@1100MC I agree with the idea of it being rage. It conveyed the idea of bloodlust to me. As if Arthur’s only thought was to see whomever was in front of the barrel dead
In low honor the sound of Dead Eye has some sort of disembodied voices, like it’s the souls of the people Arthur has “unhonorably” killed. What a chilling detail.
I at first thought it sounded like some sort of low whisper, but after listening to it again it sounds more just like a straight low drone, a bit ominous.
That’s actually a pretty good analysis wether it’s real or not. I hope it is. My Arthur never had low honor (maybe in chapter 2 he did cuz its basically the beginning and your exploring everything and there’s o’driscols everywhere)
It doesn't make sense...and that's scary. How can you kill when you are already in the afterlife? It hammers in that Low Honor Arthur is insane and has no higher reasoning.
@@ferdinand5223 well it just goes to show that arthur is a very bad man and that low honor is canon and before you think that 'oh well he doesn't get redemption' you're wrong, that's it boom.
From what I heard the heartbeat is still there in low honour, but it's going at a resting pace unlike high honour. That's what I'd like to call zero remorse.
I think it’s very telling that the low honor gambling suit looks a lot more like Dutch’s everyday outfit, while the high honor outfit favors Hosea’s wardrobe styld
And as others have already pointed out, high honor deadeye has a low but somewhat fast heartbeat, meaning that Arthur don't want to kill, but knows that he needs to, plus it has a windy sound. Meanwhile low honor has no heartbeat and the background sound sounds like the screams of the people he killed.
@@danielm.595 Assumption and speculation. You're not a mind reader. You don't know what goes through low honor Arthur's head anymore then I do. Or high honor even. Two factors to consider here. 1: Calmer people (more positive) tend to be calmer. High honor in this case. People with more fear/anger, etc. They end up like low honor Arthur. Which also leads to faster pulse due to higher stress. So the heartbeat kind of contradicts itself either way. Arguments can be made for both cases. This is why I think it would have been better to add the heartbeat when Arthur gets sick, which would indicate his decline in health.
High Honor Arthur sounds just like the hero of a story, even while fighting he seems pretty collected and humorous Meanwhile Low Honor Arthur sounds more like a villain, or at least an anti-hero. He just seems angrier, like there's something weighing on him
Rockstar did such a great job with the honor system. Something so small makes subtle changes in the way you view arthur and how he behaves, and with all the different quotes and interactions, each time you play the game on either path, it's an entirely different experience.
@@xorpe7172 name a couple of things that you think would’ve made the honor system better in RDR2. Because in my personal opinion RDR2’s honor system is very good
I love how Arthur is a complete animal on low honor even his deadeye is more terrifying then it originally is. And his deadeye was made to look and sound like overwhelming adrenaline rush. Can’t imagine how much a beast prime Arthur and John was in the gangs hay days.
5:18 In High Honor, your gambling suit is blue. Reflecting Hosea's calm and calculated mindset In Low Honor, your gambling suit is red. Reflecting Dutch's impulsive, irrational plans
That is interesting how the gambling suit looks different. The game made Arthur have a more blue default colour scheme whilst Dutch has a red colour scheme and low honour so it looks more like something Dutch wears.
Another subtle difference with the kill cam that you missed out is where with good honour an that can even mean half way up, the kill cam can displays Arthur shooting in a like heroic man pose of standing his ground type of feeling but with bad honour, it just shows mostly the carnage of the death that you caused. Pretty interesting I thought
Nah, that's not actually true. Even on max Honor the killcams mostly focus on the enemy's death, rarely snapping towards Arthur. The sepia-tone is the only thing that changes.
ngl looking from an outsiders perspective (got here from looking up lore, never played tho) those shots were dead on identical only difference was how the dead landed (slumped to the side or back)
a detail I noticed with Low Honor is when you kill a hostile dog (a bounty hunter´s dog in my case) , if you kick them arthur will say "Never liked dogs" in a cold tone
What sticks out to me as a very cool thing is when my Arthur (High honor) was in a lawman shootout, he shouted “Don’t be a fool! Run away!” in a “Don’t waste your life here, I won’t shoot if you run!” Kinda way.
The High Honor lawmen banter is almost light-hearted and joking while the Low Honor feels like I'm watching the villain of an action movie slaughter the police
I felt so bad when you pointed out that in deadeye as low honor Arthur his heart doesn't beat it sucks to think that as low honor Arthur he lets things get to him that happened in his past and things that are happening within the gang
@@gruesomest4743 well that but also all the subtle changes in dialog that happen and when the low honor dialog happens with Arthur he always seems to be pointing out negative while when you have high honor Arthur always focuses on John and dutch going crazy and mitch and getting as much people as possible out of the gang instead of focusing on money and the negative and himself as low honor Arthur because on Arthur's mission where he goes to save Abigail, tilly mentions how she will miss and Arthur says "oh don't give me that" and Abigail mentions it too he bushes it off and he also says on his last ride that he need to settle things for him also as low honor Arthur anytime anyone mentions in the story that they will miss Arthur and how he's a good man he always bushes it off because low honor Arthur thinks that no one cares for him and he really let's things get to him by always mentioning the negative but that's just my opinion and some people say that low honor Arthur isn't really cannon but I disagree because they put the little details in the game that you put in this video but I think some people say that because in ch. 1 and 2 when conversations are a thing if you are low honor early on Arthur will mentions that he hate killing innocent people and how he says he can't stop killing animals and people but as the story proceeds with low honor Arthur he gets more and more angry and more selfish but that's what I had to say thanks for replying to my comment and awesome video I never noticed any of these in the game so thank you
@@mikeandike2021 in the final mission as low honor Arthur I noticed he has dialogue with John where he talks about going West to “see if I can’t shake this goddamn cough.” Made me think the big difference between high honor and low honor is whether Arthur accepts the inevitable or not.
@@connoranderson7432 also, if you visit Arthur's grave as John, depending on your Honor level when Arthur dies his Grave will either be neglected and bare (low honor) or well maintained with flowers and such (high honor).
@@thefracturedbutwhole5475 this is why after my first play (low honor) I never played Arthur as low on my later play through. Had to have his grave decorative.
The heartbeat isn’t missing. The channel producer is wrong. It’s there, but is at resting pace, as he’s killing in cold blood with no conscience or panic. It’s routine for him.
I think what's most scary about low honor Arthur is just how smooth and efortless those lines come out. There's no thought or effort behind it, purely instinct. Whereas some high honor lines feel like theres more of a weight behind them. Like how you have to 'force' yourself to respond in conversations if you just aint feeling it. High honor - he's trying to be decent. Low honor - he has given into intrusive thoughts.
The dead eye difference is brilliant. Arthur’s heart is beating because he doesn’t like killing needlessly, and still recognizes that there’s a human life lost in each bullet. Low honor Arthur kills without a second thought, and is a KILLER - like Dutch called him.
@@thebogarts6191 Try to listen again, You can hear that Arthur 's heart is beating when using the Dead Eye with high honor, but not with low honor. Also, the background sound effectr of the Dead Eye is different.
Dead eye in high honor: wind is blowing, you can hear your heartbeat. Dead eye in low honor: ominous hollow sounds like inside a cave, and no heartbeat present.
High Honor Arthur shows that true power and baddassery comes from restraint. He insults his opponents but does so in a way that's measured. Which is more intimidating because he's not rising to anything. He keeps it simple and isn't overly vemomous.
I’m late to the rdr2 train but yeah both are intimidating in their own ways. High honor is hoping to never get on his bad side while low honor is hoping you never look in his direction
High Honor Deadeye sounds like there’s a heart inside him still beating he has hope. Low Honor Deadeye sounds like he’s nothing but a soulless person and it’s literally evil sounding.
Someone else in the comments stated how if you listen more closely on the low honor deadeye, it sounds like people screaming in agony. The people Arthur killed mercilessly
The sound design for the dead eye is very interesting to me. It speaks to me on a different level, like high honor, Arthur is mostly at peace, he knows what he may have to do even when he doesnt want to or need to. But he understands this and is in touch with himself. Now low honor deadeye is a drastic change, it brings a much darker tone with not too much changed, the heartbeat is gone and it sounds much more sinister, like Arthur isnt at peace and the souls of all those he has killed floods his brain and clouds his thinking and concentration, it would have been a cool detail if the deadeye mechanic itself was effected by honor. The screams and cries of agony and pain all by those he felled in his time stay with him until he chooses to clear his thoughts by doing good deeds.
I think it would be cool if high honor dead eye would have you shoot quickly and do slightly reduced damage but low honor has you shoot slow and have increased damage to show that high honor arthur just wants to get the job done while low honor takes more enjoyment from shooting someone
Doing my low honor playthrough I realized there's a lot of morbid things that come from it. I killed a horse once and heard Arthur say "Had to practice on something..." Killed a dog another time and he said "Never really was into dogs..."
The terrifying thing about the Dead Eye differences is High Honor Arthur's heartbeat is so quick because he knows he has to kill or be killed, he doesn't want to kill, he has to in order to survive. Low Honor Arthur doesn't have the heartbeat because he knows his life isn't on the line because fear of death doesn't hold him back, he has no regard for others. Chilling.
@JewelRunner95 The fool here is the idiot who doesn't understand that" him having a heart and not having a heart" is exactly what the OP said, he just used a more educated way to express the same viewpoint. Maybe focus on an education instead of being a douche on the internet and you wont look and feel so ridiculous.
All of these details which normal people don't even notice much are just incredible. Rockstar makes their games so much detailed that all of them turn out masterpieces
*Good arthur pushes people* procceds to apalogies. People:watch out fool! *Bad arthur pushes people* procceds to put the fault on people. People:sorry partner
I always find it best to play the game with very low honour up to the point where Arthur finds out *you know what*. Then switch to trying your best to gain as high honour as possible. Seems to echo the story best.
That’s what I’m doing my second time playing right now also cool too have him at max weight with a clean 3 moustache n fade ASAP so the health change looks more dramatic then I let the hair grow
This definitely seems like Rockstar’s intended way to play. If you play Arthur as a saint for the whole story, he doesnt really need redemption lol and it kinda just invalidates his whole arc. And the thing is, low honor Arthur doesn’t mean an evil psychopath Arthur. It could literally just mean that you like to rob people, which is, well, canon. Doesn’t mean you have to run around slaughtering whole towns for the hell of it
Thing is Arthur was always a good man it's just that his lifestyle wouldn't allow him to be that man. But after he knew he was dying , he wanted to be a good man at the end. To do the slightest bit of good he could.
It seems like high honor Arthur is just as lethal and brutal but doesn’t take everything as seriously, while low honor Arthur has nothing but malice in his voice
Low honour Arthur sounds like he's letting his mistakes eat him alive, instead of fighting not to make more of them. He sounds hopeless and bitter. High honour Arthur still sees beauty in the world.
Wtf are you on about? Letting his past get to him? He just insults people more wtf lmao There's no reference to any events in the past. He could say the same thing in High Honor and it wouldn't be much of a difference.
High honour Arthur sounds like he's got a sense of humour, is cheerful and, interestingly, comes off as super confident. Low honour Arthur gives me the vibe of a low self esteem being channeled into seething hatred towards everything, maybe as a defense mechanism? Whatever it is, the voice actor really does an excellent job.
Honestly, that vibes with the dialogue. High honor Arthur seems to be at peace with himself, while low honor Arthur bottles up his emotions and is horrified at himself.
Dead Eye with High Honor: You can hear Arthur's heart beating, it means that Arthur has a heart and doesn't want to kill needlessly Dead Eye with Law Honor: Y o u d o n ' t h a v e a h e a r t *And listen to the screams of those you killed needlessly*
It is what makes it soo perfect, because depending on your honor there's different character development, as in Arthur with high honor hates micah because he sees that Micah is a pshyco that only does evil and Micah hates him for being the opposite, and in low honor they hate eachother because they see themselves in eachother and they don't like who they are
I just really wish they kept the Fame meter from the first game as well. Though I'm sure that would've added so many more layers to the dynamic dialogue the game would've just came out recently.
@@nousername2942 fame mechanics don't suit the game tbh, because Arthur and his gang need to lay low from Pinkertons. With John Marston on the other hand, in RDR 1, it works perfectly. He is no longer a criminal, a man on the mission to save his family, a man on the mission to redeem himself. Fame works very cool in that game.
I’ve played this game 10 times start to end It’s unbelievable how every experience is somewhat different than the other I find new mysteries different interactions etc It’s a brilliant masterpiece of a game I don’t think there ever will be such a in-depth real world experience like this game offers
I love how the apologizing lines are totally different in not only what he says but how everyone reacts, instead of mad, most of the people were just like "jeez someone's havin a bad day" kinda vibes, like they knew he was trouble n didn't wanna give him the time of day
The thing I appreciate about this version of the honor system is that its subtle. Instead of explicit declarative statements, Its almost like a perspective shift. Where it changes the tone of your experience.
Arthur is a demon. Get a canvas mask and try and catch a witness standing up (if you didn't know then you can press L3 to pick people up from the ground and the same with standing up) and so look at arthur while grabbing and arthur's eyes will go white like arthur turns his eyes white and I have screenshots of him on ps4.
I Love how the apologizes always are contrasting, with high honor, Arthur politly apologize, and the NPCs reply rudely. But when Arthur has low honor and act really rudely the NPCs are the polite ones
@@SmokeyTheBandit there's no evidence in the video. The NPC lines are dependant on the story and past bounty in the region, and even then there are often NPCs who react differently than the rest
Same with shop keepers they are real annoying when ur high honor rushing u out of the store but low honor they are fine if u take ur time I think it's due to fear or something
I wish you could have both in the same run. I like high honor Arthur with apologizing as it's more respectful, but other elements in low honor like "I'll kill you again in hell"...wow. In dead eye, high honor has clear skies, a steady heartbeat, and peaceful wind blowing. Low honor has screams you can hardly make out, crows, an omen of death, flying in the sky and no heartbeat, as if Arthur is void of a heart. Awesome either way.
Well, time is slowed down during dead eye, so my head canon is that his heart is actually racing in high honor, knowing that he's about to take a life (or several)
@@thegoodsouphotel8332 RDR2 really used the best from previous Rockstar Games. The realism of GTA IV, the gunplay of Max Payne 3, the RPG elements and map ambition of San Andreas, etc.
Additionally when at low honour during Deadeye, there's an ominous low ambience underneath the droning loop, along with the absence of a heartbeat as mentioned.
“I’ll kill you again in hell my friend” oh my god that’s such a great line 🤣 love evil Arthur , he’s so badass. Gotta be sure to get the honor up before the ending though.. can’t let Micah get the satisfaction
I've found other little details influencing my experience when playing as low honour Arthur, for example, spawning in with a bandana around the mouth in times where i removed it prior to leaving my last game, and finding more items on dead bodies, ( better loot etc. )
I think the lore wise of dead eye being different is because with high honor your killing because you have too but with low honor your doing it for fun/rage changing the way he focuses
im doing my low honor playthrough now after getting high honor.. it just feels terrible being like this to be honest, i dont think arthur's character fits well with low honor, but i guess that shows how impactful the honor system really is in this game. i can honestly wait for rockstar's next game, as long as it's as great quality as their past titles
@@michaelfort143 The low honor "go for the money" mission is pretty badass, though - although a bit brutal. Two assholes fighting off with knifes only for Dutch to yell for them to stop as if they're toddlers.
@@rickriot8743 i can go on a massacre and smile whenever someone's head explodes or someone bleeds out from a neck shot. But feel terrible if I ever have to kill a dog. I feel about the same way while playing games too.
I almost always go the evil route in video games but i just can’t make Arthur a bad guy, in my eyes he’s a genuinely good person. i go trigger happy in the epilogue though lol
Same... in other games I run over people with my car, shoot them etc but with 2 RDR games I played the high honor rounte with john and Arthur. I know it's just a game but still. I cant do it. That's what youtube is for 😂
Bro this game goes so in depth- every playthrough will be different, no matter what you do. You'll always be discovering new things. THIS is what the standard should be. There's so many layers hidden between layers - time limited events you need to pick and choose and then adding on to that the honour system, different cut scenes depending on your bond with your horse, and even where on the map you are that constantly changes around you It is *unreal* how deep this game *gets* and how different each save file truly is.
thb i think the heartbeat for the high honor deadeye is meant to convey a sense of focus. taking a deep breath he tunes out his surroundings, so much so that he's aware of his own heartbeat. time feels like it slows down as he enters a state of calm concentration until all that exists is him and his gun. whatever chaos is unfolding arround him fades away, seems almost peacefull. gunslinging is his meditation. something which is passed down to the player. the lack of heartbeat on low honor is the opposite. this arthur isn't tuning out the violence, he's tuning into it. he taps in to the tubulent violence in his surroundings and seizes control of it. when you're high honor the heartbeat distracts the player from all the gore and gunpowder around them but without the heartbeat you are fully present in the carnage. this arthur has no zen. he is impulsive and filled with emotion. hatefully insulting his opponents as he kills them. he gets swallowed by the violence. for the player his deadeye isn't a break or a timeout, no the silence creates a feeling of pure suspense with the knowledge that when you let go of that button bodies are going to drop. yes i'm embellishing to make this small detail sound a lot more important, but still.
Sometimes when someone insulted him I just said to my self “the person who you are insulting can kill you in a single bullet has the most expensive revolver and can slow down time”
I'm not gonna lie, this whole thing is amazing and REALLY makes me wanna play a low honor arthur, but there's something particularly brilliant about the warped, twisted howling that fills Arthur's mind in low honor dead eye. the heartbeat is cool, but that representation of a strange primal bloodlust is just another level of wonderful sound design
The Low Honor Deadeye is like he hears all the voices of the people he killed yelling, screaming, whispering, and talking at the same time from the 9 circles of hell
I may have found another foreshadowing detail with the suit vests while playing rdr2 today. Before the Saint Denis bank heist, the gang wears suits with vests. But If you look carefully, you'll see that Hosea's, John's and Lenny's vests are blue, while Dutch's and Micah's are red! Is this some foreshadowing to show which characters are good and bad?
I could be entirely mistaken, but the first Javier mission in chapter 2 (rescuing Sean), a low-to-mid honour results in Josiah Telawny wearing a red blazer and vest, with Charles wearing his black pea coat. However, I believe a high-honour run results in Trelawny wearing his blue coat and Charles wears his blue polkadot shirt. I could be wrong, but I just did another run through of that mission (on like my 10th play through lol) and it stood out to me completely. I had mid-honour, and typically I’m a high-honour player start to finish
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High honor- You apologize
Low honor- They apologize
They apologize because they don't want to anger the guy that shot a lawman in the face just because he could
Yeah to me it seemed like the roles of Arthur and the passerby were switched. High honor Arthur got a lot of snide remarks. Something something real life rewards the bad, not the good
Honour*
@@FlynnJR17 it can be either due to the various ways it spelled around the world, that isn't the only way of spelling it
@@arandominternetperson437 I know, I'm just messing around because I'm British.
Arthur’s best line after killing someone: “I’ll kill you again in hell my friend”
It's like he knows he's die a horrible death, like getting shot in the face or get stabbed like a wounded animal
@@dick_cheney Hmmm
@@dick_cheney those are some specific ways to go...hm...
My favorite one and he says it so cold
Bro wtf I read this exactly when he said it
Notice how when high honor Arthur bumps into someone, he apologizes but they remain mad, but when low honor Arthur does they apologize to him. Nice touch
Low honor Arthur has that killer vibe to him, the citizens bumping in to him can feel it and realize that they shouldn't provoke him.
It's true to the real life; people naturally lean to take advantage over calm and polite, but will back down at the mere sight of aggression. Pathetic, really, but that's life.
@@twisted_nether373 You're overthinking it.
@@holliswilliams8426 nah some people tend to put out their frustrations on people who they know are weaker or less threatening than them.
@@jagerondayeet4764 too true
It’s crazy how Arthur is mostly just saying the same thing in both instances, but with different inflections, different intentions and different implications, it hits VERY differently.
Yeah, and all of this mitigates between the "journey" of being good or bad.
This game is the best !
it does not lol, talk about a waste of development time
@@amelie-3429 yikes, a voice actor doing the same lines a little different, what a waste of time(sarcasm). Fast food workers must spit in your food with how petty you are about little differences in delivery time
He's in a foul mood with low honor.
@@shrekingwald ...what on earth are you talking about?
If you have low honor, when you give John your hat, you say, "It's of no use to me now." If you have high honor, you say, "It would mean a lot to me."
High honor Arthur is the right Arthur
i thought something was off when i replied the ending turns out it was that.
I have max honor when arthur died, i just wanted him to be kind and be treated kindly by other people for the time he has left
@@kenshin6740 my favorite way to play is Arthur not being the most honorable person for awhile but gradually becomes a better man with high honor over time. I’m sure that’s how a lot of people like it since that’s pretty much what Rockstar was going for with the character
@@Crunch_Carter In games where there are bad and good choices i always choose the good ones and on my second playthrough i choose the bad ones
The difference between "I'm only getting started" and "This is just the start of it" is so minuscule and yet so vast.
It's the same kind of bad when said while throwing a bomb at a populated building.
How is different? Could you enlight me?
@@brunobernardo3310 the first one is kinda comical saying "there's more where that came from!". The latter is angrier and more serious kinda like more doom will befall them.
@@SardonicJosh ty, english is not my mother language, sometimes is hard to me understand the meaning of the phrases
@@brunobernardo3310 ah, that's fine. As someone whose second language is also English, I can understand.
High honor deadeye has a very human side to it, the heart beat, the wind
Low honor deadeye sounds ominous, hollow, cold and totally detached from any humanity
Like the good deer vs the big bad wolf
@@cookies9681 coyote
There's no such thing as "humanity". Humans are just monkeys.
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stop equating in context to associate 'Humanity' to something positive and what it means to be 'Human' when that's all propaganda BS to spread the narrative that Humans can just be ever-loving, noble etc. and something that is not deemed that way then gets labelled a 'monster' or 'inhuman' or 'abnormal' to means to differentiate as much as possible because Humans naturally hate or take issues with something that is deemed 'different' to the socially acceptable 'norms'
being a Human is many things, you don't go out labelling Chimpanzees for 'losing their Chimpanzeeness' for being violent and cannibalising one another when that's just a part of what's being a chimpanzee is which goes the same for Humans
Has anyone noticed as well for high honor, Arthur's voice is lighter and more relaxed but for low honor, it has a deeper, more growling like tone to it? Absolutely amazing
It’s like dishonorable Arthur is the ruthless beast personality of Arthur and honorable Arthur is the kind hearted caring personality of Arthur
Yep thats amazing how he just sayin the same lines in different tone, iam truly amazed with such difference.
No! We definitely did not notice that! What a marvelous discovery! Absolutely amazing!
@@daxia0 stfu you're definitely annoying af irl
Incredible! how did you manage to notice it?! because the whole video was absolutely not about that!
Guy: *Just standing around chilling*
Arthur: You ain't scaring nobody
"CaLm dOwN i'M jUsT nEeDLiNg yA"
"Uh- Hell am sorry."
Lol I stumbled upon this one while playing as john
Guy: *Just standing around chilling*
John: "DON'T TRY TO BE SOMETHING YOU ARE NOT"
This came on as soon as I read your comment, that's been happening lately
@@ToDamnRight Happened to me too. I wonder what causes this strange phenomenon.
"Hi, I'd like to buy a red waistcoat, mister."
"OH, SO YOU BAD?"
Imagine clothes being locked behind your alignment on the moral compass irl
Americans always be like "BLUE GOOd RED BAD"
@@samgfds1755 Blue Good red Bad.
@@samgfds1755 to be fair that's just video game logic, Fable is British as fuck and everything aesthetic wise in that game series goes by a white vs black (no racial)/blue vs red scheme in regards to morality.
@@tripslord9029 I'll take my red and black jacket now.
I like how the low honor Deadeye feels like rage while high feels like focus, it's a really cool bit of attention to detail they added
Also I didn't ever notice the heartbeat, I just noticed a pulsing ting of red around the screen border
That’s what I was thinking too. If anything, low honor deadeye is in a less focused state of mind in the sense that he’s just uncaring rather than purposeful in his actions. I like the desert wind sound effect because it makes it seem like his mind is clouded with anger.
For me, the high honor heartbeat feels like adrenaline and survival. He doesn’t want to kill anyone but knows it is life or death, he or them. The lack of a heartbeat in low honor is sadistic. He is heartless, and careless about human life. He’s used to massacre and even enjoys and reminisces on it (background echoes) perhaps it is so routine that he is even bored by it now.
@@burgerkingbasketballcourt someone stated that the "desert winds" sound like the screams of his victims, now I can't unhear it.
The moment where Arthur hops on a machine gun and goes into temporary perm deadeye to massacre pinkertons feels like rage no matter your honor
The deadeye differences are interesting. Apart from the heartbeat, in Low Honor you can hear a dry wind blowing, like in the desert. Also the otherworld whispers were another interesting touch.
That was my take as well. The subtle changes in the low honor make a drastically more sinister and chilling sound when you really listen to it.
Siphoning power from Satan himself
I interpreted it as in high honor he's more of relaxing his breathing and in low honor it's just pure rage.
@@1100MC I agree with the idea of it being rage. It conveyed the idea of bloodlust to me. As if Arthur’s only thought was to see whomever was in front of the barrel dead
That's just all the innocent people who haunt you after killing so many of them to get low honor
In low honor the sound of Dead Eye has some sort of disembodied voices, like it’s the souls of the people Arthur has “unhonorably” killed.
What a chilling detail.
I at first thought it sounded like some sort of low whisper, but after listening to it again it sounds more just like a straight low drone, a bit ominous.
That’s a really cool way of looking at it
Yeah,the low honor it's like a world of pain with lost souls screaming,sounds like a place deep below that we all know what it's called.
That’s actually a pretty good analysis wether it’s real or not. I hope it is. My Arthur never had low honor (maybe in chapter 2 he did cuz its basically the beginning and your exploring everything and there’s o’driscols everywhere)
@@ichangedmyusernamebecausei2551 ay yo its you the dude who burnt down to oprhanage
"I'll kill you again in hell my friend" damn that has to be the most evil sentence I ever heard Arthur say
I still feel "Maybe when your mother is done mourning your father, I'll keep her in black, on your behalf" is a top tier contender.
It doesn't make sense...and that's scary.
How can you kill when you are already in the afterlife? It hammers in that Low Honor Arthur is insane and has no higher reasoning.
@@felinusfeline5559 You take things too literally my friend.
@@felinusfeline5559 what doesn't make sense is how this line still pops up even if you've got maximum honour.
@@ferdinand5223 well it just goes to show that arthur is a very bad man and that low honor is canon and before you think that 'oh well he doesn't get redemption' you're wrong, that's it boom.
From what I heard the heartbeat is still there in low honour, but it's going at a resting pace unlike high honour. That's what I'd like to call zero remorse.
Indeed! It is there.
Remorse is illogical.
@@accelerationquanta5816Said do marxist
NO REMORSE!
@@Violeto777NO REPENT
I think it’s very telling that the low honor gambling suit looks a lot more like Dutch’s everyday outfit, while the high honor outfit favors Hosea’s wardrobe styld
Holy shit, imagine if that's intentional
@Pepe-piq3om I can't tell if you're sarcastic or not
I read your name as pope😂@@Pepe-pq3om
Deadeye
High honor: *Sounds like you’re clearing your mind as you try to get a good shot*
Low honor: *A crazed manic just looking for a kill*
And as others have already pointed out, high honor deadeye has a low but somewhat fast heartbeat, meaning that Arthur don't want to kill, but knows that he needs to, plus it has a windy sound. Meanwhile low honor has no heartbeat and the background sound sounds like the screams of the people he killed.
@@danielm.595 Assumption and speculation. You're not a mind reader. You don't know what goes through low honor Arthur's head anymore then I do. Or high honor even.
Two factors to consider here. 1: Calmer people (more positive) tend to be calmer. High honor in this case. People with more fear/anger, etc. They end up like low honor Arthur. Which also leads to faster pulse due to higher stress.
So the heartbeat kind of contradicts itself either way. Arguments can be made for both cases. This is why I think it would have been better to add the heartbeat when Arthur gets sick, which would indicate his decline in health.
@@taramaforhaikido7272 maybe the lack of heartbeat is simply to show that he is heartless?
@@taramaforhaikido7272 I think the ticking of the clock is better to symbolise Arthur’s sickness. The clock shows that the time he has is limited.
@@taramaforhaikido7272 seethe
High Honor Arthur sounds just like the hero of a story, even while fighting he seems pretty collected and humorous
Meanwhile Low Honor Arthur sounds more like a villain, or at least an anti-hero. He just seems angrier, like there's something weighing on him
"You can feel your sins weighing you down."
low honour arthur just sounds so angry & weary of everything
@@junowhyarewetalkingtoeacho4215 damn i sin every day and i gained 20 lbs this month
@I was Testing not too late to change that
@@shinyhunterCF
pssh dont kid me, you aint a sinner. You are the entire hell itself.
The fact they took the time to make all these little differences is what makes this one of the best games ever made.
So true
Rockstar did such a great job with the honor system. Something so small makes subtle changes in the way you view arthur and how he behaves, and with all the different quotes and interactions, each time you play the game on either path, it's an entirely different experience.
Imo the honour system isn't really that good, weaker part of the game for me
@@xorpe7172 name a couple of things that you think would’ve made the honor system better in RDR2. Because in my personal opinion RDR2’s honor system is very good
Bethesda could take a page or two from it if they ever bring Karma back.
@@xorpe7172 Why, you can't kill civilians without consequences now, can you?
@@Magiczny-Krzysztof self defence lowers your honor, even if civilians shoot at you first and you defend yourself. it bugs me a little
High Honor: clever one-liners
Low Honor: explicit threats
I love how Arthur is a complete animal on low honor even his deadeye is more terrifying then it originally is. And his deadeye was made to look and sound like overwhelming adrenaline rush. Can’t imagine how much a beast prime Arthur and John was in the gangs hay days.
Johns prime is Rdr 1
@@PIZZASTEVE44 endeed
Before he gets TB Arthur is probably the best fighter in the gang.
@@PIZZASTEVE44 is was already pushing his 40s then
@@thefracturedbutwhole5475 Imagine 20s Arthur
It's also interesting how Arthur breathed heavily after the high honour but didn't after the low honour
bc it shows he’s hesitant, while low honor he doesnt give a shit abt killing anyone or doing anything bad
5:18
In High Honor, your gambling suit is blue. Reflecting Hosea's calm and calculated mindset
In Low Honor, your gambling suit is red. Reflecting Dutch's impulsive, irrational plans
Well said
That's a good observation, I just thought the typical blue good red bad cliché
Well now you said that I don't wanna try in low honor playthrough
What plan?
Damn cringe comment.
That is interesting how the gambling suit looks different. The game made Arthur have a more blue default colour scheme whilst Dutch has a red colour scheme and low honour so it looks more like something Dutch wears.
Hosea wears blue too, diference from dutch
@@Literallyryangosling777 Micah wears red as well
Bad thing that u need low honor to get the red version, i like it more on red
@@Literallyryangosling777, EL INODORO QUE HABLA XD JAAJJSJSJSJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAU
@@aurairl6406 Micah's horse also resembles the dark horse you'd get in RDR1 when your honor was low, being all black with that white face like a skull
High honor: Sarcastic
Low honor: Angry
In nutshell
High Honor: Sarcastic
Low Honor: Terrifying Presence
Fallout reference
@@zhengwenyu1587 Fallout sucks 🗣️
High Honor Dead Eye- The Beating of your Heart
Low Honor Dead Eye- The whispers of the souls you've slaughtered
Another subtle difference with the kill cam that you missed out is where with good honour an that can even mean half way up, the kill cam can displays Arthur shooting in a like heroic man pose of standing his ground type of feeling but with bad honour, it just shows mostly the carnage of the death that you caused.
Pretty interesting I thought
Nah, that's not actually true. Even on max Honor the killcams mostly focus on the enemy's death, rarely snapping towards Arthur. The sepia-tone is the only thing that changes.
For me, high or low honor, the kill cam will show the death first, then a zoomed in shot on Arthur almost every time
That’s incorrect
Nope, I just played today and kept having face shots during kill cam even though I'm far far into the bad reputation side
ngl looking from an outsiders perspective (got here from looking up lore, never played tho) those shots were dead on identical
only difference was how the dead landed (slumped to the side or back)
a detail I noticed with Low Honor is when you kill a hostile dog (a bounty hunter´s dog in my case) , if you kick them arthur will say "Never liked dogs" in a cold tone
Which wouldn’t make sense because he had a dog
@funnyguy73 his dog was called copper you can see a picture of him beside Arthur’s bed in camp and he talks about him when he’s given a deluxe bath
Boaah!
You've tested that out a lot, did ya?
@@marcellomercuri5619 being a bad feller is a guilty pleasure of mine I admit it 😁
"I'll kill you again in hell, my friend" combined with the way he fell and the wanted noise was so fucking cool
Would love to see you fall like that.
2:42
@@nagihangot6133 why
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What sticks out to me as a very cool thing is when my Arthur (High honor) was in a lawman shootout, he shouted “Don’t be a fool! Run away!” in a “Don’t waste your life here, I won’t shoot if you run!” Kinda way.
4:00 if you listen very closely, you can hear what sounds like distant screaming. I think it's a neat yet disturbing detail.
I don’t hear it. You’re imagining it.
I hear it too
@@anti-ethniccleansing465 Wear headphones
@@anti-ethniccleansing465 at 4:08/4:09 there's a crying/screaming sound
The High Honor lawmen banter is almost light-hearted and joking while the Low Honor feels like I'm watching the villain of an action movie slaughter the police
Imagine giving a slight joke while your getting shot at by like 10 lawmen 😂😂😂
@@cookies9681 Thats an Arthur Morgan for ya XD
Are you implying killing cops is evil
@thefilipinokid123 Are you implying cops are people?
@@deathbringr0005 yes they are people so what makes them so different between you and i?
I felt so bad when you pointed out that in deadeye as low honor Arthur his heart doesn't beat it sucks to think that as low honor Arthur he lets things get to him that happened in his past and things that are happening within the gang
I took it as Arthur is “heartless” when he has low honor
@@gruesomest4743 well that but also all the subtle changes in dialog that happen and when the low honor dialog happens with Arthur he always seems to be pointing out negative while when you have high honor Arthur always focuses on John and dutch going crazy and mitch and getting as much people as possible out of the gang instead of focusing on money and the negative and himself as low honor Arthur because on Arthur's mission where he goes to save Abigail, tilly mentions how she will miss and Arthur says "oh don't give me that" and Abigail mentions it too he bushes it off and he also says on his last ride that he need to settle things for him also as low honor Arthur anytime anyone mentions in the story that they will miss Arthur and how he's a good man he always bushes it off because low honor Arthur thinks that no one cares for him and he really let's things get to him by always mentioning the negative but that's just my opinion and some people say that low honor Arthur isn't really cannon but I disagree because they put the little details in the game that you put in this video but I think some people say that because in ch. 1 and 2 when conversations are a thing if you are low honor early on Arthur will mentions that he hate killing innocent people and how he says he can't stop killing animals and people but as the story proceeds with low honor Arthur he gets more and more angry and more selfish but that's what I had to say thanks for replying to my comment and awesome video I never noticed any of these in the game so thank you
@@mikeandike2021 in the final mission as low honor Arthur I noticed he has dialogue with John where he talks about going West to “see if I can’t shake this goddamn cough.”
Made me think the big difference between high honor and low honor is whether Arthur accepts the inevitable or not.
@@connoranderson7432 also, if you visit Arthur's grave as John, depending on your Honor level when Arthur dies his Grave will either be neglected and bare (low honor) or well maintained with flowers and such (high honor).
@@thefracturedbutwhole5475 this is why after my first play (low honor) I never played Arthur as low on my later play through. Had to have his grave decorative.
I love how the heartbeat is missing in low honor. Like Arthur isn't nervous about shooting any more. There's just cold calculation.
The heartbeat isn’t missing. The channel producer is wrong. It’s there, but is at resting pace, as he’s killing in cold blood with no conscience or panic. It’s routine for him.
@@anti-ethniccleansing465 I love that detail, still. Shows how little empathy he has.
I think what's most scary about low honor Arthur is just how smooth and efortless those lines come out. There's no thought or effort behind it, purely instinct.
Whereas some high honor lines feel like theres more of a weight behind them. Like how you have to 'force' yourself to respond in conversations if you just aint feeling it.
High honor - he's trying to be decent.
Low honor - he has given into intrusive thoughts.
The dead eye difference is brilliant. Arthur’s heart is beating because he doesn’t like killing needlessly, and still recognizes that there’s a human life lost in each bullet. Low honor Arthur kills without a second thought, and is a KILLER - like Dutch called him.
Yep low honor Arthur literally has no heart.
I don't notice the difference
@@thebogarts6191 Try to listen again, You can hear that Arthur 's heart is beating when using the Dead Eye with high honor, but not with low honor. Also, the background sound effectr of the Dead Eye is different.
The background sounds from the low honor deadeye almost sounds like screams of pain and agony of all the people he's killed in his life.
@@YoMommasMomma69 or a void
Dead eye in high honor: wind is blowing, you can hear your heartbeat.
Dead eye in low honor: ominous hollow sounds like inside a cave, and no heartbeat present.
@Isaac Vaughn except one is calm and the other is turbulent
Why does everybody act like they’re both not the same 😂
@@Utah842 because some people use their eyes and ears, genius
@@ZzIAmNOTLegendzZ that makes no sense, genius 🎤🗑
@@Utah842 it makes sense when you dont have the attention span of a child
"At least try fighting back"
"Say goodnight!"
*immediately punches Arthur with the force of god*
"Goodnight"
High Honor Arthur shows that true power and baddassery comes from restraint. He insults his opponents but does so in a way that's measured. Which is more intimidating because he's not rising to anything. He keeps it simple and isn't overly vemomous.
I’m late to the rdr2 train but yeah both are intimidating in their own ways. High honor is hoping to never get on his bad side while low honor is hoping you never look in his direction
High Honor Deadeye sounds like there’s a heart inside him still beating he has hope.
Low Honor Deadeye sounds like he’s nothing but a soulless person and it’s literally evil sounding.
Someone else in the comments stated how if you listen more closely on the low honor deadeye, it sounds like people screaming in agony. The people Arthur killed mercilessly
I'm 18 and this is deep
@@sm71485 what does your fucking age have to do with it dumbass
@@foreverscorin1 calm down man, are you doing a low honor real life run?
@@jytvreal 😂
Arthur’s annoyed “Open your eyes, fool” at 2:03 is some of the most gangster shit I’ve ever heard out of an old western gunslinger.
It also wasn't even "fool" it was "foo"
Arthur got some cj in him
I feel like Franklin has said that before too
@@MortusSweet partner maybe if you disposed of that dishonorable trim you would get some dames on your mare
@@jordanium5593
- you picked the wrong camp, foo
- Bill, it's me, Arthur, chill, chill
The sound design for the dead eye is very interesting to me. It speaks to me on a different level, like high honor, Arthur is mostly at peace, he knows what he may have to do even when he doesnt want to or need to. But he understands this and is in touch with himself.
Now low honor deadeye is a drastic change, it brings a much darker tone with not too much changed, the heartbeat is gone and it sounds much more sinister, like Arthur isnt at peace and the souls of all those he has killed floods his brain and clouds his thinking and concentration, it would have been a cool detail if the deadeye mechanic itself was effected by honor. The screams and cries of agony and pain all by those he felled in his time stay with him until he chooses to clear his thoughts by doing good deeds.
Yeah it would be cool
I think it would be cool if high honor dead eye would have you shoot quickly and do slightly reduced damage but low honor has you shoot slow and have increased damage to show that high honor arthur just wants to get the job done while low honor takes more enjoyment from shooting someone
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Doing my low honor playthrough I realized there's a lot of morbid things that come from it.
I killed a horse once and heard Arthur say "Had to practice on something..."
Killed a dog another time and he said "Never really was into dogs..."
The terrifying thing about the Dead Eye differences is High Honor Arthur's heartbeat is so quick because he knows he has to kill or be killed, he doesn't want to kill, he has to in order to survive. Low Honor Arthur doesn't have the heartbeat because he knows his life isn't on the line because fear of death doesn't hold him back, he has no regard for others. Chilling.
@Blue Kiddo I never actually got to play the first one lol. I'm hoping those rumors about a remaster are true so I can.
He "has no heart"
bing?
@@theNoobmaster69 What's stopping you from playing it now? Its available to purchase and playable on Xbox and PC (not sure about Playstation)
@JewelRunner95 The fool here is the idiot who doesn't understand that" him having a heart and not having a heart" is exactly what the OP said, he just used a more educated way to express the same viewpoint. Maybe focus on an education instead of being a douche on the internet and you wont look and feel so ridiculous.
All of these details which normal people don't even notice much are just incredible. Rockstar makes their games so much detailed that all of them turn out masterpieces
*Good arthur pushes people* procceds to apalogies.
People:watch out fool!
*Bad arthur pushes people* procceds to put the fault on people.
People:sorry partner
@@Bithe_Get never noticed that before!
Wrong, to Rockstar doesn't care about thr detail level or how much of its discovered. The developers do, Rockstar only cares about money
Except gta online
Now days a have to agree with brimshaw they are fucking up john
I always find it best to play the game with very low honour up to the point where Arthur finds out *you know what*. Then switch to trying your best to gain as high honour as possible. Seems to echo the story best.
That’s what I’m doing my second time playing right now also cool too have him at max weight with a clean 3 moustache n fade ASAP so the health change looks more dramatic then I let the hair grow
I did that I'm in the epilogue now I was Shooting lawmen left and right but when I got to chapter 6 I'm like you know what I want high honor
This definitely seems like Rockstar’s intended way to play. If you play Arthur as a saint for the whole story, he doesnt really need redemption lol and it kinda just invalidates his whole arc. And the thing is, low honor Arthur doesn’t mean an evil psychopath Arthur. It could literally just mean that you like to rob people, which is, well, canon. Doesn’t mean you have to run around slaughtering whole towns for the hell of it
I don’t “know what” because I haven’t played the game yet, thank you so much for not spoiling.
Thing is Arthur was always a good man it's just that his lifestyle wouldn't allow him to be that man. But after he knew he was dying , he wanted to be a good man at the end. To do the slightest bit of good he could.
It seems like high honor Arthur is just as lethal and brutal but doesn’t take everything as seriously, while low honor Arthur has nothing but malice in his voice
"The heartbeat is missing on low honor" Holy shit
Yeah it sounds ominous and... Deadly.
It still there... But with less beat and slower, like if he is cold and calm while killing and not disturbed. Also, the hell noises is kinda creepy.
heartbeat is replaced with whispers of the damned. :P
@@bsf4962 It's not there, i'm using high quality headset, the beartbeat is REPLACED, entirely, with whispers of the damned. :P
@@MyouKyuubi So basically the disembodied voices of the people he killed? Damn Rockstar.
Low honour Arthur sounds like he's letting his mistakes eat him alive, instead of fighting not to make more of them. He sounds hopeless and bitter. High honour Arthur still sees beauty in the world.
You nailed it!
No, is more than a beast
Represent the dead coming
@@marcosgonzalez4207 What?
@@proximacentauri2684 when Artur activate the dead eye, the dead walk in the earth
Some people will lost his life
Wtf are you on about?
Letting his past get to him?
He just insults people more wtf lmao
There's no reference to any events in the past. He could say the same thing in High Honor and it wouldn't be much of a difference.
High honour Arthur sounds like he's got a sense of humour, is cheerful and, interestingly, comes off as super confident. Low honour Arthur gives me the vibe of a low self esteem being channeled into seething hatred towards everything, maybe as a defense mechanism? Whatever it is, the voice actor really does an excellent job.
Low honor Arthur just sounds like a killer.
Low self esteem seems like that someone is you.
@@KyleEvra Why do you comment just to be a jerk?
Arthur has low self esteem either way
Honestly, that vibes with the dialogue. High honor Arthur seems to be at peace with himself, while low honor Arthur bottles up his emotions and is horrified at himself.
Dead Eye with High Honor: You can hear Arthur's heart beating, it means that Arthur has a heart and doesn't want to kill needlessly
Dead Eye with Law Honor:
Y o u d o n ' t h a v e a h e a r t
*And listen to the screams of those you killed needlessly*
Lol law Honor you meant low honor
Seems like when Arthur has lower honor he just acts like Micah
That’s why when Micah shoots Arthur in low honor Help John, he says “You’re not better than me Morgan!”
It is what makes it soo perfect, because depending on your honor there's different character development, as in Arthur with high honor hates micah because he sees that Micah is a pshyco that only does evil and Micah hates him for being the opposite, and in low honor they hate eachother because they see themselves in eachother and they don't like who they are
@@urfavvghoul lmao
@@urfavvghoul who cares💀
@@urfavvghoul sorry, my first language is Spanish, thanks for telling me
Not only does Arthur change but the reactions when he bumps into people do as well. That’s crazy.
Might’ve been a coincidence
@@bakedcrystal915 I don't think it was. It happened every time.
Yea it seems as if people apologize more when you have low honor cause they are terrified lol
I just really wish they kept the Fame meter from the first game as well. Though I'm sure that would've added so many more layers to the dynamic dialogue the game would've just came out recently.
@@nousername2942 fame mechanics don't suit the game tbh, because Arthur and his gang need to lay low from Pinkertons. With John Marston on the other hand, in RDR 1, it works perfectly. He is no longer a criminal, a man on the mission to save his family, a man on the mission to redeem himself. Fame works very cool in that game.
I’ve played this game 10 times start to end It’s unbelievable how every experience is somewhat different than the other I find new mysteries different interactions etc It’s a brilliant masterpiece of a game I don’t think there ever will be such a in-depth real world experience like this game offers
I love how the apologizing lines are totally different in not only what he says but how everyone reacts, instead of mad, most of the people were just like "jeez someone's havin a bad day" kinda vibes, like they knew he was trouble n didn't wanna give him the time of day
Now we know why it took Rockstar 8 years to create this masterpiece
Yeep
Well Cyberpunk also took 8 years
@@whiteline4157 Ye, but people were rushing it.
Yeah they rush it
Cyberpunk also wasn’t made by rockstar
I was not expecting that line of when Arthur won the gun fight with low honor. "I'll kill you again in Hell my friend." A chilling line in my opinion.
High honor: I'll return your daughter before late night sir
Low honor: she calls me daddy too
The thing I appreciate about this version of the honor system is that its subtle. Instead of explicit declarative statements, Its almost like a perspective shift. Where it changes the tone of your experience.
"You'd wish we had a gun fight."
Now that's an intimidating line
Arthur is a demon. Get a canvas mask and try and catch a witness standing up (if you didn't know then you can press L3 to pick people up from the ground and the same with standing up) and so look at arthur while grabbing and arthur's eyes will go white like arthur turns his eyes white and I have screenshots of him on ps4.
@@godzillazfriction make a video pls
I Love how the apologizes always are contrasting, with high honor, Arthur politly apologize, and the NPCs reply rudely. But when Arthur has low honor and act really rudely the NPCs are the polite ones
Sorry to break it to you but the npcs are dynamic it doesnt matter whether your on low or high honor they will respond however they want.
@@godzillazfriction So why did we see exact evidence to the contrary in this video?
@@SmokeyTheBandit don't know. Use your brain.
@@SmokeyTheBandit there's no evidence in the video. The NPC lines are dependant on the story and past bounty in the region, and even then there are often NPCs who react differently than the rest
Same with shop keepers they are real annoying when ur high honor rushing u out of the store but low honor they are fine if u take ur time I think it's due to fear or something
2:44 that was a pretty cold line
I wish you could have both in the same run. I like high honor Arthur with apologizing as it's more respectful, but other elements in low honor like "I'll kill you again in hell"...wow. In dead eye, high honor has clear skies, a steady heartbeat, and peaceful wind blowing. Low honor has screams you can hardly make out, crows, an omen of death, flying in the sky and no heartbeat, as if Arthur is void of a heart. Awesome either way.
Well, time is slowed down during dead eye, so my head canon is that his heart is actually racing in high honor, knowing that he's about to take a life (or several)
This reminds me of GTA SA that CJ depending on his appearance changes quotes too. And I don’t just mean thin vs fat. But also his clothing.
Dude, Red Dead 2 really reminded me of San Andreas.
@@thegoodsouphotel8332 RDR2 really used the best from previous Rockstar Games. The realism of GTA IV, the gunplay of Max Payne 3, the RPG elements and map ambition of San Andreas, etc.
@@danwordgod2017 don't forget about Bully's highly interactive world!
@@thegoodsouphotel8332 Yeah, I almost forgot, although RDR1 was also very interactive, I'd say RDR2's interactivity is like a mix of both games.
@@danwordgod2017 I absolutely agree!
High Honor: Arthur Morgan
Low Honor: *GTA Protagonist*
I’d say a Manhunt protagonist more than a GTA protagonist
@@albi9000 Actually, he’s right, considering that this game has gore at the same level as Manhunt and the brutal ways you can kill these NPCs.
Additionally when at low honour during Deadeye, there's an ominous low ambience underneath the droning loop, along with the absence of a heartbeat as mentioned.
nearly 5 years later and i'm still learning things about this game
Good stuff, I saw some other videos about things like Dead Eye being different but couldn't tell the difference until your video.
I still can't tell the difference
@@yippiekyyaw8147 Heart beat sound on high honor, and wind howling, or ghost of hell screams in low honor
@@OriginalPotatotube oh lit thanks mate
@@OriginalPotatotube and there’s a red vignette at the top, for low honor
@@OriginalPotatotube and i think high honor is brighter than low honor
“I’ll kill you again in hell my friend” oh my god that’s such a great line 🤣 love evil Arthur , he’s so badass. Gotta be sure to get the honor up before the ending though.. can’t let Micah get the satisfaction
The best way to play imo. Be a kind of a jerk in the beginning then redeem yourself after Arthur’s diagnosis.
So perfect man i heard this line yesterday
@@littlebrian3070 that's my canon. it's fun being an evil bastard, but luckily chapter 6 weighs honor more
@@littlebrian3070 Exactly. That's how it's meant to be played. Be a jackass for the entirety, help John, then redeem yourself.
@@littlebrian3070 It's really the only way to get the bandit challenges done.
I've found other little details influencing my experience when playing as low honour Arthur, for example, spawning in with a bandana around the mouth in times where i removed it prior to leaving my last game, and finding more items on dead bodies, ( better loot etc. )
Yes, Low honour Arthur has the benefits of better loot.
I think the lore wise of dead eye being different is because with high honor your killing because you have too but with low honor your doing it for fun/rage changing the way he focuses
*78 degrees in the swamp, wearing a 3 piece suit
Everyone at camp: "You're going to freeze dressed like that!"
Yeah I don’t get why that started happening either
@@metehan7878 The material of the suit is light: it allows for easy heat dissipation while still looking dressed to the nines
@@mathieushifera135 I guess the NPC'S are only smart when chastising you
@@mathieushifera135 no, it's a glitch they never mixed.
im doing my low honor playthrough now after getting high honor.. it just feels terrible being like this to be honest, i dont think arthur's character fits well with low honor, but i guess that shows how impactful the honor system really is in this game. i can honestly wait for rockstar's next game, as long as it's as great quality as their past titles
SPOILER
I can't do it. I've played through like 4 times but I just refuse to let myself get a low-honor ending. I will never let that rat kill Arthur.
@@michaelfort143 The low honor "go for the money" mission is pretty badass, though - although a bit brutal. Two assholes fighting off with knifes only for Dutch to yell for them to stop as if they're toddlers.
They say when you feel bad after commiting horrible acts it means deep down you have a heart. But what do I know it is just a game
@@rickriot8743 i can go on a massacre and smile whenever someone's head explodes or someone bleeds out from a neck shot. But feel terrible if I ever have to kill a dog.
I feel about the same way while playing games too.
@@michaelfort143 exactly.
I love how in the low honor kill cam the guys hat lands perfectly on the books behind him
Didn't even play this game but quality video, well put together no jibber jabber over it, just straight to the point. Thanks pardner
High Honor banter with cops sound cheerful and happy, and low honor one sounds mean and badass.
Yeah, high honor sounds like they were just playing and not trying to kill eachother.
@@konradjurgiewicz3598 That's because Arthur is very sarcastic
It's like Robin Hood vs Walter White
Arthur’s low-honor deadeye makes me think of an empty husk, just a shell.
Cringe
@@Retainafricanwealth 👍♥️
Chad move
I imagine a portal to hell opening in the middle of a scorched wasteland at a full moon
@@caralho5237 Wow thats... Very intense. But yeah!
I appreciate how you change your clothing depending on honor. Neat detail
Author: stay out my way
John: OUT THE DAMN WAY
I almost always go the evil route in video games but i just can’t make Arthur a bad guy, in my eyes he’s a genuinely good person. i go trigger happy in the epilogue though lol
Same... in other games I run over people with my car, shoot them etc but with 2 RDR games I played the high honor rounte with john and Arthur. I know it's just a game but still. I cant do it. That's what youtube is for 😂
Its because most other games with this premise have an empty husk of a main character
I can't let Micah get his jollies. I feel as if I'm there with Arthur, despising him every step of the way.
he so much more badass low honour
Lmao same
What if Arthur's honour decreases during an act while he's talking. Arthur voice cracking, WE JUST GETting started. 😅
lol
That isn't possible.
@@erenjager1155 r/woooosh
@@doppiothememer8705 this ain't reddit go away
@@erenjager1155 no way really
Bro this game goes so in depth- every playthrough will be different, no matter what you do. You'll always be discovering new things.
THIS is what the standard should be. There's so many layers hidden between layers - time limited events you need to pick and choose and then adding on to that the honour system, different cut scenes depending on your bond with your horse, and even where on the map you are that constantly changes around you
It is *unreal* how deep this game *gets* and how different each save file truly is.
thb i think the heartbeat for the high honor deadeye is meant to convey a sense of focus. taking a deep breath he tunes out his surroundings, so much so that he's aware of his own heartbeat. time feels like it slows down as he enters a state of calm concentration until all that exists is him and his gun. whatever chaos is unfolding arround him fades away, seems almost peacefull. gunslinging is his meditation. something which is passed down to the player.
the lack of heartbeat on low honor is the opposite. this arthur isn't tuning out the violence, he's tuning into it. he taps in to the tubulent violence in his surroundings and seizes control of it. when you're high honor the heartbeat distracts the player from all the gore and gunpowder around them but without the heartbeat you are fully present in the carnage. this arthur has no zen. he is impulsive and filled with emotion. hatefully insulting his opponents as he kills them. he gets swallowed by the violence. for the player his deadeye isn't a break or a timeout, no the silence creates a feeling of pure suspense with the knowledge that when you let go of that button bodies are going to drop.
yes i'm embellishing to make this small detail sound a lot more important, but still.
The "Low Honor" Arthur Is Actually Out Of Snickers
You're Not You When You're Hungry
For blood *lightning*
Poor guy gonna have to wait 30 years till snickers are invented
@@neros1277 1929, even jack has to wait 10 years.
I dont care, that guy who flipped me off deserved to be fed to that alligator
NPC: insults Arthur's outfit
Me: Adios, fuckbag
Sometimes when someone insulted him I just said to my self “the person who you are insulting can kill you in a single bullet has the most expensive revolver and can slow down time”
@@DoctorMedicine_ it's not really time that is slowing down, it's more of ludicrous reaction time.
Okay, maybe, but what did the alligator ever do to you???
@@KnivesInMyHeart22 ....Damn
0:19 the timing of the commentary with the explosion is just the best XD Roflmao
0:53
Arthur: "At least TRY fighting back!"
NPC: "So you have chosen death."
2:41 "I'll kill you again in hell my friend" - dang that was savage, and the way he says it!
I'm not gonna lie, this whole thing is amazing and REALLY makes me wanna play a low honor arthur, but there's something particularly brilliant about the warped, twisted howling that fills Arthur's mind in low honor dead eye. the heartbeat is cool, but that representation of a strange primal bloodlust is just another level of wonderful sound design
it also scares you in a way. i would play a low honor arthur but i feel it may deter my feelings for his character afterward.
@@trailblazer37 fragile spirit
@@parkerluciani7048 thats harsh considering that arthur feels like an entirely different character if you play low honour
The Low Honor Deadeye is like he hears all the voices of the people he killed yelling, screaming, whispering, and talking at the same time from the 9 circles of hell
The thumbnail gave me some infamous memories.
I may have found another foreshadowing detail with the suit vests while playing rdr2 today. Before the Saint Denis bank heist, the gang wears suits with vests. But If you look carefully, you'll see that Hosea's, John's and Lenny's vests are blue, while Dutch's and Micah's are red! Is this some foreshadowing to show which characters are good and bad?
Great observation
Could be. Never noticed.
@@QuanLovesGaming rockstar game moment
Wow, impressive detail
dutch didnt do nothing wrong right? I still havent played the whole game yet
03:37 Subtitles: [Laughter]
Well, that's the most terrifying laughter I've heard
Jajajajaj
@@Bruhh000 Bruh
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@@Bruhh000 Bruh
@@Lil_lit_Bruh bruh
Appreciate it bro! ⚡️
I could be entirely mistaken, but the first Javier mission in chapter 2 (rescuing Sean), a low-to-mid honour results in Josiah Telawny wearing a red blazer and vest, with Charles wearing his black pea coat. However, I believe a high-honour run results in Trelawny wearing his blue coat and Charles wears his blue polkadot shirt. I could be wrong, but I just did another run through of that mission (on like my 10th play through lol) and it stood out to me completely. I had mid-honour, and typically I’m a high-honour player start to finish
"At least try fighting back."
*Gets uppercutted*
Well he did
The stand-off is so eerie. High honour Arthur is nervous and puts on a tough act but with low honour- he just doesn't care.
He doesn't sound nervous, you could be confusing the npc dialogue for him
This honestly inspired me to do a low honor run of rdr2, low honor Arthur is badass af