@@tata-bs6ve that mountain top is cold and lonely Arthur got the best view of the sunset Micah's got the cold embrace of the snow and died face down to it.
Dutch asking “who’s with me and who’s betraying me?” just after Micah shot Miss Grimshaw, who was one of the most loyal people out of the gang just shows how much he lost it at that point.
Creepy Joe asking who’s with me and who’s betraying me after Obama shot Kamala Harris out of frustration at trumps success really goes to show how much the democrats lost it and trumps the chosen one to save us
There is a camp interaction where Dutch goes off on her like he does on John and Arthur. So Micah had convinced him that Ms. Grimshaw wasn't loyal either, since she questioned his "Plan"
The moment Hosea died was the moment the gang was doomed. Hosea kept Dutch in line for the most part. He was the only guy I think could’ve talked some sense into Dutch.
Lol so what i did after beating the game, start a new game by the time you first get the camp near Rhodes, i never proceed further into the game and everyone stays alive happily ever after
I feel like the saddest part about high honor Arthur is the broken, almost crying voice as he said "he’s a rat Dutch, he’s a rat" even as he’s dying he still tries to warn Dutch
I got shot in the head by Micah on the cliffside. I was waiting for Dutch to see Micahs betrayal and put a bullet between his eyes. Sadly Arthur does not get a happy ending. 😔
@@arthurmorgan835 that means you done lot a bad things and choose wrong decission buddy dont that bullshit micah got killed by jhon and arthur was avenged
It's because Arthur still loves Dutch, at the end he's still pleading with Dutch saying he "gave all he had", like he's trying to make sure his dad is proud of him and not disappointed before he dies. Right up to his death he's still trying to warn Dutch, hoping that he'll turn back to what he remembered him as. It's ironic how as Arthur accepted the loss of Dutch as a father, he allowed the responsibility for himself to graduate into a father for John, since John lost that in Dutch too.
@@DragonSchizo No he doesn't or, at least not in my opinion. If you had to grow up the way he did and then get taken by the government and in the end when you finally think it's over your father dies and you have to see he's lifeless blood soaked body, then bury him. A year or two later your mother dies. How would you feel? What would your look on life be? What would be your attitude? I don't blame him in the slightest.
Johns hits harder to me at least. His death was unexpected and incredibly violent. Arthur was a good character but just not the level of badass John was. His death was painful too but it wasn't the same. The second he was diagnosed with TB I knew he was done for, as it was fatal back then.
@@xxmadmax999xx I remember John's death being the biggest shock I've ever had in a game at the time, maybe to this day. You gotta give rockstar props though. Everyone knew arthur would die and wanted to play as John, the fact that they were able to make everyone fall in love with Arthur and still find a way to kill him in a completely unexpected way is impressive as hell.
@@ravenhernandez2352 yeah it’s lower back pain lml, half these ppl don’t know that but it’s funny cause it’s his excuse every time when damn wel lower back pain shouldn’t stop you from doing much gunslinging lol
I think that's why he waited to kill Micah when John was present. He knew John would eventually come after Micah. John: What are you doing here, Dutch? Dutch: Same as you, I suppose.
@@localcompanion holy fuck. I never even realized. Ive beaten this game a couple times and I WAS WONDERING WHY DUTCH SAID THAT! Thank you. That shit is poetic
As for Uncle.. well it wasn't the bullet that killed him. When it hit his flesh it travelled through his body and struck his spine agitating his already very serious lumbago even further. Sadly this caused him to then soil himself loudly, complain his back hurts and then finally succome to his lifelong struggle with the terminal disease Poor old Uncle I'll forever think of you when i lift heavy things RIP
The fact that Dutch chose to believe a man he rode with for almost a year over the guy he basically raised is astonishing. Arthur seemed like he was trying to keep Dutch "sane" (for lack of a better term) like Hosea did.
He saw John and Arthur as sons. Hosea could reason with him since Dutch saw him as his equal and they were partners too. Since he raised and taught john and Arthur, he could never see them as people from whom he could take advice. Keep in mind Dutch's plans were all crashing down, one after the other coupled with his own anguish over his losses and the recent deaths. He took sole responsibility for everything, when he should have admitted his defeat and sought advice and counsel from his "sons" and fellow gang members who cared for him instead of going on a revenge, hunting down his rivals for good. He had to let himself open to others compassion, but he cocoons himself because he is too proud of a leader. Its sad story all round this rdr2.
@@brwill4223 that would explain his erratic behavior. But I think he just got paranoid after some of the other older gang member started to betray him I think that pushed him over the edge.
Another reason for it is because Arthur and John kept doubting his plans which made him think that they dont trust him anymore while Micah was asskissing him making him think that he will be on his side no matter what
Dutch was slowly getting desperate, specially with the Pinkertons on their tais. He made aggressive bold dangerous plans which were put in doubt for other members, and only Micah who was also that aggressive liked those plans. Hosea was Dutch thinking counterbalance, and when he was killed, and Molly confessed she told the Pinkertons the robbery plan, Dutch became more paranoic and aggressive, siding more and more with Micah than the family who started to doubt him for his own good.
Arthur to John, before the gang completely fell apart: “You’ve gotta run and not look back.” John to Abigail and Jack, moments before his death: “Keep riding, and don’t look back.”
And in the end, whether willingly or not, neither John nor Jack were able to do that-- to leave the gang or that way of violent life behind them. I never really thought about that until your comment just now :(
@@AspenFireflyGaming Jack may as well be a guard, married, have 3 kids, but also stayed up long at night or was gone somewhere, making his wife concerned, when in fact he was researching where he could find Ross. He didn't want anyone but him. Then he left to his town somewhere in the West States. There were no gangs up that point or rare. So he was working solo. Or at least that's what I like to think, sooner or later the revenge cycle ends, no one else left to kill. The states are too big, you could have easily disappeared back then if you wanted to. He shot Ross probably just 4-6 years later, right in the middle of the first world war and before the rise of the mobs in the 20s.
@@pewpew1943 I wish there was a ending to where you and John make it out and Arthur gets the rest he needs cures his tb and you can switch between characters like in gta5
Grimshaw's death hit me the hardest. With all of them, even Lenny who didn't get a proper cutscene, the gang members acknowledged that someone had passed, making comments and arrangements to tend to the body. Grimshaw was the lady of the gang who took care of the camp and kept it running efficiently. She basically helped raise a number of the gang members. When Tilly went missing, she demanded she and Arthur hunt the bastard down and insisted he be killed for touching one of her girls. Then she was shot and left for dead in the dirt, crying out in agony and no one was moving to comfort her or put her out of her misery. She loved on all the gang members like a mother, then was put down like a dog. It stings that this older woman did so much and in the end got so very little.
she deserved better. I love that she saw through Dutch and the others and took Arthur's side, too. Micah's such a snake, and Dutch was crazy for not seeing that until Arthur's death.
@@corsojameshoseas death hit dutch hard, micah wouldn't have got as close to dutch if hosea survived since hosea was 2nd in charge and that wouldn't of changed if he was alive
@@tripleduckMolly is the reason why Hosea died. She was the one who talked before the bank job. She begged for Dutch's love and attention even though he clearly didn't reciprocate the feelings, and betrayed him for that. Her death wasn't 100% deserved, but she did have it coming
YUp, He lost the one he trusted most 1st, then lost himself, starting to lose trust in people because Micah was the snake in his ear. We dont see it before it's too late but it easy to undestand when Dutch make you go save Micah. He acted already like he 100% trusted Micah. This is a great indicator that he lost his moral compas even before the story begin and trusted bad people. In the end, he lost everything. This is a tragedy.
Arthur’s last breath in high honor really had me staring at the screen for a good 15 minutes.. Rdr2 is in my humble opinion one of the greatest free roam games ever made. The storyline, the characters, the journey throughout the map had me invested like nothing before. Hats off to the developers at Rockstar for this masterpiece!!
Then you login to RDR online expecting same freedom sandbox fun with even more expanded world, but all you get is shit and garbage. RDR2 single player without story is better western sandbox than online version.
Same thing happened to me. I remember it so clearly. My jaw just completely dropped through the last chapter before the prologues... this game had me so invested it was literally a part of my life 4 to 6 hours a day lol. The creators needs lifetime award. One hell of a couple games man.
That fact that John was shot to hell by 20 men and still managed to stare them down with the look of a man saying “I won’t die like some dog” is still mind blowing even after 11 years
John was a beast, they needed an army to take him down, and even then, John was the one who chose to die here so Abigail and Jack could live in peace, he probably could have killed all the soldiers if he wanted to.
@@Alex-zd6xh sadly thats not true, there is no way john could have killed them, and he sadly didnt choose to die, he was doomed, he just choose to die with dignity and save what he had left, his family
You expect a character like Lenny to die in a cutscene not during a live mission and right after Hoseas death you don’t expect it at all, it really makes the death sting even mote
Sean's death honestly set the tone for the rest of the game. Michah's phsycophathic response to his death forshadows his betrayal later. I knew from that moment "Oh were all gonna die."
Bro, Duth's death is Bill and Javie's death, it's not their fault, it's also very sad, the one who made Duth's head was Micah Bell's mouse, Jon's, man, it's sad, dms
Uncle’s death was the most redeeming and sad death for me. He lived his life as a coward and people always made fun of him and looked down on him. Yet in his final moments he chose to stay and help John protect his family. He knew he was dead the second he saw those soldiers and agents riding to their home but he chose to stay this time cuz he knew protecting John’s family was worth it unlike the gang when they split in two and were going mad. Like the joker said from the dark knight how people show their true selves in their final moments before death.
There is a theory that Uncle is actually Red Harlow from Red Dead Revolver. The age checks out and he said he used to be called "The one shot kid". Maybe he wasn't as lazy as he let on.
@@wolfeye8923 I'm aware of that... I've had the conversations with him where he mentions lumbago, which btw, is actually not a bad excuse for being lazy since it prevents the ability to do hard labor (no heavy lifting). I just don't recall him ever referring to his lumbago as being terminal. I have an rdr2 game saved in the epilogue, and I'm currently playing thru it again so I'll talk to uncle, see if he says it.... or does he only say "terminal" in rdr1? I haven't played that one since I can't get it on PC.
@@wolfeye8923 Nah he wasn't a coward he had a mission where he bill arthru and Charles fight Cornwalls men and he fought with the rest He just was getting old and wanted to to end the fighting
When you said Arthur wasn’t just the best character in rdr2 but all of gaming really tugged at my heart. Arthur was someone we all wish we could be like and playing as him really does. I’m not kidding when I say Arthur touched my heart and helped shape me to be an even better man than I am. I was 17 when I met him and replaying at 20 has brought it all back once more. RIP to a great man, RIP Arthur Morgan.
The sad part in RDR2 is that you can see everyone that would side with Arthur at the end were killed along the story, which created the final finale stand-off.
@@blossom10799 You notice it more if you go into later chapters after Saint Denis that Javier actually starts to become more distant from Arthur and more close to Micah. Just spend time around the camp and you’ll see them together talking and they’ll even ask Arthur to move on and let them talk.
What about Sadie though, think you missed that one. She became much closer to Arthur at the end, and said he was the best man she knew since her husband. And then also, Charles.
I just completed Rdr2. And now after watching this, i cannot hold back the tears anymore. Everything Arthur fought for fell apart. I feel so bad for John, he was betrayed. Seeing Abigail and Jack watching over John's corpse is truly gut wrenching. I still remember how John raised Jack and proposed Abigail in the epilogue of rdr2. I wish rdr had a happy ending.
I think Sean’s death hit me the hardest just because I wasn’t expecting it at all and it set the scene for how the story was going to progress from there. It kinda planted in that seed of hopelessness that grows as you progress through the game…
@Tranhoang Long Nah, it was Bill that time. Bill's a dumbass and mentioned he'd been drinking with the Grey boys beforehand trying to find a job for the gang to do, made it way too obvious. Arthur should've wasted both of them right then for Sean's death and Micah touching his body with his foot.
One of the saddest deaths for me was Miss Grimshaw. She was so protective of the entire gang and she was the first and only one to say something when Tilly went missing and showed zero mercy to Anthony and insisted he killed her because he kidnapped Tilly. She was a bit strict, but she was mainly doing it to protect the gang. She will always be one of my favorites
@@mootang6236 I’m not sure. There is a lot of different endings to the game depending on what missions you do, how high or low honor you have, and more
Arthur's death was really crushing. I have never been so emotional from a game in my life. Arthur was a genuine man, staying by his horses side and thanking her for everything ❤️ 😢. Then helping John live, while also warning dutch of Micahs betrayal. Absolutely the most amazing story I have ever seen. Rdr franchise will remain the best in history.
@@listy0fsmegeven though Javier was a filthy rat. I can understand the sentiment. I had superclose friends too who done stuff before their death and made everyone turn against them. Wether it was drugs that fucked them up or they were always rotten. I couldn't help mourn for them when they died (poorly)
@@jadendeadredemption7262well in rdr1 you find out what he was up to soon as he left them there at that faithful campsite. And everyone his own people find him a dispicable rat. And even if he doubts at first he sure is gunning for Arthur and John right after.
@@goosegangsta6508 if I kill someone but feel bad afterwards felt sowwwwy I still robbed someone of a father , brother , son .. you’re a dolt who just liked the idea of Arthur Morgan the video game cowboy .. but in real life someone like him should be thrown in jail
@@alamo0243 Low honor doesn't fit well though. High honor is way more fitting. High honor he dies and it really hits you in the feels. In low honor he gets stabbed and its like.. is that it? That can't be all..
@@user-sd6zz2hm2u that's if you go back for the money. If you have low honor and help john, Micah shoots arthur in the head after their fight on the mountain
John Marston's Death always made me tear up, I loved RDR1 so much when I was younger that the first time I finished the game I couldn't believe it and teared up
rdr2 makes no sense its an asspullof a story that barely conncts to the first. good game but terribly written. 8 years of development and they didnt even look atrdr1 a single time for story continuation.
@@bananamix1896 john in rdr1: '' a robbery went bad, they left me for dead and i left them.havent seen any of the gang since!!'' ending of rdr2 is debunked with just this statement, the whole epilogue is debunked with just this statement. stop being that fanboy in denial dude.
@@deathrager2404 but that's what happened? The train robbery went bad dutch left him for dead and said to the gang he was dead then he came back screaming at dutch saying he left him for dead. Your a fucking idiot, on top of that there's only so much you can do when a game came out 8 years after the first one, it's like saying red dead 1 is bad story telling because John doesn't mention Arthur, you can be irritated by it but it in no way makes it bad storytelling, lmao they didn't even know arhur would be a thing. They did a fucking amazing job fleshing out the van der linde gang and it's characters, the epilogue even goes as far to explain how the Pinkerton's found John, when he went and killed Micah the Pinkerton's we're able to track him down from it. It shows it all in the slideshows in the credits, them finding the camp Micah dead to them looking at him teaching Jack how to brush a horse through binoculars. I can't tell if you just want to hate like one of those people that think any any sequel or prequel is bad or are just trolling but you are objectively completely wrong
An overlooked death to me atleast is Kieran, he died when he was first beginning to get into the gang comfortably, we died when he was just then becoming apart of the family, just for him to die.
He never truly joined the Van der Linde gang, he was killed in a rather brutal way, his corpse is used as a threat, and he is swiftly forgotten by all parties concerned. To Colm, he was a faceless body that betrayed him, nothing more. To Dutch and company, he was more of a prisoner than a companion for the majority of his time with them.
@@rulebritannia8438 I have to disagree there. Sure he wouldn't of been apart of the Saint Denis Robbery, but I can guarantee he would've helped when the group got stuck in Guarma, of course getting push back from Sadie and other groups. But folks like Arthur and Mary don't dislike him or hate him per se. As high honour Arthur states that "He saved my life but I could not save his" showing he would've saved bro. If Saint Denis went smoothly he would've begun to be a member, even when it failed. He would've began to pull his weight
His whole low honor speech kills me i played that one my first playthrough not even colm is what got me his voice cracks everything these games are unrivaled
Sean's was one of the most jarring deaths I've ever experienced. It's a perfect representation of the life of an outlaw. One minute you're having a casual conversation, and the very next second, kapow, your friend, who had an entire life story, a whole ass person that you've come to know, fucking dead, gone, ended. It's so sudden, and it's so perfect to absolutely lurch the player into a sense of "oh fuck this is real." Lenny's and Kieran's were both equally the saddest. I was expecting those two to escape the gang, for Kieran to find redemption, for Lenny to escape the life, but again, suddenly, no warning, gone. What a perfect way to illustrate how easy a story can come to an end.
this is what all of the idiots who want war need to understand, I've lost a lot of armenian friends during kharabakh war, some of them are the people i grew up with, went to the same school. now they're 6 feet under and I never had the chance to visit their grave. we had history together and I'm left with regrets that I didn't have a chance to share their faith, couldn't support them while they were alive except sending money for cigarettes. all of them were young and perspective, some even wrote books, made music, art, now they're gone. Sorry I got emotional and into details but I don't have anybody to speak up to, at least you seem to understand how scary death is
It really is... the depth of this game and how it captured the players. I was so sucked into this game when it first came out. Its funny, sad, serious, bloody, terrifying. I mean I have never played any game like Rdr1 and Rdr2. Those 2 games need a lifetime award.
@@BeF1990 if you're talking about our favorite guy's death (not tryna throw any spoilers) he died in a miserable way, watching that actually hurt me so much but arthurs death was built up almost perfectly, and the "i gave you all I had".. i mean it's just my opinion you don't have to accept it but for me arthurs death hit harder than the man we're talking about
5:09 The way Dutch scream "Oh god, no." Always hit me really hard for some reason. The thing about Lenny's death is its meant to be quick, the game won't give you time to process it. No flashy cut scene, no dramatic way out. Just quick. The way Dutch just sounds so heartbroken but you know you have to keep going.
@@KingTruffles I restarted the checkpoint three times in effort to save Lenny, he was my favorite character and he was just dead. In an instant, ive never had a game make me have such an unhealthy and bizzare attachment to the characters. I sat there for 15 minutes trying to save Lenny over and over crying. As if he was a real person and I was just grieving in denial
His death reminds me of the death of Captain André Matias, from the Brazilian movie Tropa de Elite: O Inimigo Agora É Outro (2011). The guy got shot in the back and that was it. No flashy cuts, no dramatic moments, just pure and plain simplicity, which makes it even more tragic.
@@lol-pb2jv I didn't understand what was going on until it showed Kieran. When Mary-Beth screamed I was like "Jesus, why you screamin-WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK IS THAT"
I like how one of dutches last line in the first red dead was “I have a plan… this is a good one” but we’re never annoyed by the million “I have a plan” yet in the second.
@@matthewallen445 it should be but I think Micah would’ve killed Arthur instead of leaving. The high honor return for the money makes more sense. And it would be better if Arthur told John something different.
@@noahherrera5214 I think high honor hear makes more sense since he was determined to save johns family at the end of the game also like the helping indian missions charles and arthur didn't want any of the money cause there was too much blood on it
He killed Ross and became the one thing he was never supposed to be, an outlaw. John would not have wanted that. Abigail would not have wanted that, no-one wanted that. Jack is now the last living member of what was once Van Der Linde gang, on U.S soil.
“Oh Dutch…. he’s a rat.” That’s the scene when I started to tear up. Arthur said it in a way as if he was tired of Dutch being so naive and clueless. It just broke me.
Uncle’s death made me cry. The reactions from John, Abigail and Jack showed how much they loved him. Might of been the closest thing to a real father that John ever had. And the fact that he didn’t run when he could have and stayed to help John proved how loyal and tough he really was.
@@RayFinkle22266 Uncle dies in the first game along with John. Abigail dies a few years later. The only survivors of the gang are Sadie, Charles, Mary-Beth, Tilly, Swanson, Pearson, and Jack
@@thenationalradar8355 oh OK I ever played the 1st redemption game I had the red dead revolver but don't think it's connected. I'm aging as John now just mess I ng around wondering what I done wrong or missed as I haven't even ventured into Mexico and see ppl playing a mission of John sneaking down a river shooting at ppl on the banks of the river into Mexico and j haven't even got a mission available. The story says 100% but when I save it says 86.7% so idk I know I want to see dutch fall off a cliff I never got that
Funny how you included Ross at the end even though he’s not a gang member, just for pleasure’s sake. If he wasn’t here, I sure as hell would’ve searched for a Jack’s revenge video after this.
@@White_Wrath she was a damn fine women as Arthur would tell you that I can agree but rockstar have a hardon for killing their characters they get to the development finalization for the story ending the whole table are at full mass of the the thought of killing off another MC
After seeing how Dutch looked like in rdr2, I couldn’t believe that he’s the same person in rdr1 even though I played the first game first. They’re like two different persons. In rdr2, he dressed lavishly with jewelry and nice outfits. He had the most beautiful horse in the gang and had two or three (I think he loses one schofield revolver during the shipwreck in guarma since one of them is replaced with a double action while he’s there) beautifully custom revolvers. He had his hair done and facial hair styled. In rdr1 he looks so broken and looks like as if he doesn’t care anymore. He looks like a homeless. And he’s using a pistol and has a huge gang now. Also in rdr2 he talked shit about colm saying how his gang is too big and how he doesn’t give a shit about any of them as long as they can kill and ride and are big in numbers. Yet he’s doing the exact same thing in rdr1. His life is a tragedy imo
Honestly I think these games show how people change so well, like with Dutch. In RDR2 they act like noble criminals (in conversations) and mention they use to be virtuous but somewhere stopped. By the time of the first game gangs don’t do anything like that, they’re just violent. I think Dutch went from one side of the spectrum of noble criminal to where we find him by 1911. One of my favorite character arcs.
John's death in my opinion is much sadder than Arthur's because Arthur's death was expected and we had time to say goodbye to the character but with John when RDR1 came out there was no way of knowing that John was going and was so fast and unexpected and John held up his end of the bargain with Ross and his men but yet he was double crossed and eventually killed just because Ross wanted to take all the credit for being the one to end the Van Der Linde once and for all
Bessie: Died of a disease or a shootout Anabelle: Killed in retaliation to the death of Colm' o driscolls brother Mac: Holed up like swiss cheese Davey:Mortally wounded, died in the cold Sean: Shot to the head. Died as he lived. Completely unaware Kieran: Tortured and beheaded by the O Driscolls. Hosea: Shot in the back by the pinkertons Lenny: Was ambushed and shot Molly: Shotgunned through the abdomen Josiah Trelawny: Packs his bags and leaves.: Reverend Swanson: Gets on a train and escapes Herr Straus: Tortured and killed in custody Mary Beth Gaskill: Becomes the succesful author Leslie Dupont Tilly Jackson: Gets married to a wealthy lawyer and starts a family Pearson: Becomes a store owner Grimshaw: Got shot dirty by a rat Arrhur: Died of Tuberculosis/Shot in the head/ Stabbed multiple times Karen Jones: Disappears Depressed and Drunk Cleet: Gets shot or hanged by John Sadie and Charles Joe: Gets owned by John Micah: Shot by John and betrayed by Dutch Charles Smith: Moves to Canda probably living his best life Sadie Adler: Probably starts a transportation company, continues to bounty hunt and travels to South America Javier:Corralled and killed by John and the pinkertons Bill: Helplessly shot by John and Reyes Dutch: Commits suicide by jumping off a cliff Red Ha- I mean Uncle: Shot defending the Marstons, which would've never happened had he not contracted Lumbago John: Betrayed and massacred by the pinkertons Abigail: Becomes depressed, gets sick and dies. Jack: Becomes an outlaw by avenging his father and his gang.
You do not have to kill Javier. One of the saddest storys of one of the gang members. He seemed lost and did not know what to do. He is not like Bill or Micah
fuck that traitor lol, bruh i couldn't believe it, like he just watched dutch sacrifice an entire tribe for some state bonds and he doesnt seem to have any issue with the insane levels of murder micah and dutch want, atleast charles had some sense
However, even if you take him alive from John's later lines, you can read that he died in prison. I like Javiel. He didn't even point a gun when Arther and John defected, and the insult to John when he took him alive was full of pain that ended up being hostile to his former friend.
@@user-ColonelValeriohe may of not pointed a gun but he sided with Dutch and Micah even after micah had just shot grimshaw when micah had basically only just joined the camp and Arthur,John and Grishaw were in the gang long before micah. He chose his side and ultimately thats the ultimate betrayal in the eyes of John so I think the anger is very much granted
I can’t bring myself to hate Javi, and I don’t know why. Sure, they have to have him become a dick late game to justify his character in RDR, but he was such a humble and charming guy early game that I feel sort of conflicted with the character he eventually becomes.
One of my top 3 characters in RDR series is Lenny.I liked him from chapter 1 where he helped them to rob the train,and his "best friend" kind of friendship with Arthur and his hate for Micah.When I played and he died i stopped the game and cried for about 20 minutes.His death was so dark,no music,cutscene or anything.For me Lenny will be my favourite character of all time and one of the most underrated in whole RDR series.
Even more sad that Susan was the one that shot her when she was one of the good ones. If she knew it was just drunken rambling trying to get Dutch's attention I dont think she'd have shot Molly :(
@@Money_Mindset420 Wouldn't it be nuts though if there was a huge amount of Davey material that got cut by Rockstar because he was just too dark and interesting.
Arthur’s high honor ending is so beautiful. Micah loses, Dutch sees the truth finally, and Arthur gets to die watching the sunset. Then reincarnates into what I presume is a 24 point buck Jesus Christ.
it actually is a eagle which is weird if you go to his grave a eagle will be there and you cant shoot it nothing but if you have low honor its a coyote
I’m sure they had something very basic written but further developed it when making RDR2, like the fact that none of the other members except the ones John chases are mentioned in the first game In a realistic stand point it’s just because they just weren’t created yet, but in a story point it’s probably because John sees “The Gang” and “His Friends” as two different groups of people and doesn’t wanna associate the good people like Arthur, Charles and Sadie(and the ones dead of course) with the likes of Micah, Bill, Javier and Dutch
@@therampage5555 they explain that though very well in little dialogue as John in RDR2 wh n Jack brings up that Arthur saved them all. John says to Abigail he can talk about Arthur but it hurts. And in the dialogue with Jack kinda piece together he's ashamed that he wasn't the one to save his family and Arthur did. I'd say that's pretty good for no mention of Arthur in the first game. RDR2 literally thought of almost every plot hole players would try to bring up.
@@zachkrueger3850 sure thats all true but still such an influential person would happened to get mentioned, if not by John or Jack, someone from the gang would
The actor of Javier actually wanted to side with Arthur and John, but the story makers didn't let him. So you can see in 8:07 that the actor (motion capture and voice) raised his gun because he didn't want to point his gun at Arthur and John, making Javier good and expanding his character.
I love rdr because it takes the life of an outlaw and makes you realize that it isn't as romantic and fun as a lot of shows or games try to make it seem. It's brutal, wicked and evil and if you follow that path it will ruin you.
@@loopyprawn I still prefer 1. 2 was great, very realistic etc but it just doesn't have the same feeling. Rdr1 is pure nostalgia, amazing story, great gameplay, it has everything
i played rdr1 before rdr2 and i never got the whole story now im getting it… its crazy. when i played rdr1 for the first time on my xbox 360 i thought this is the best graphic ever… now if i look back its not so good anymore, but i mean it was released so many years ago so what can you acspect more. both games are such fantastic… altough nearly everyone died. sad.
@@taccomann4219 honestly now it's been enhanced on backwards compatibility on Xbox, it really looks great for a 2010 game still, actually looks better than RDR2 looks on the Xbox series consoles since they use such a shitty port of the game. Blows my mind.
No thats his death if you go back for the money, the honour changes if micah finishesh you off or lets you bleedout It also changes the the cutscene you get after arthurs death, (Wolf = Low, Deer = High)
For me, John's death is the saddest one. Arthur's is dramatic, but after we discovered he had TB, everybody expected he was going to die. He was cursed. After we kill Dutch in RDR1, everybody believed it was over, that John could finally join his family and live peacefully (more or less).
John's death is undeserving, sure Ross already said "Your Father died becauss of his sin" To Jack. But Ross did him dirty Meanwhile Arthur's death is definitely deserved, kinda like Walter White situation, where he finally able to legitimately redeem himself, and he died not from the pinkertons, not from Micah, not from anyone other than the TB which is a result of his sin to Thomas Downes. I personally prefer Arthur's death since we already expected him to die but still managed to make us cry anyway. But John's death is one hell of a gut-wrenching moment in the entire franchise.
@@raylangivens7151he is at the showdown at beachers hope i don’t know why people think he isn’t after ross smoke his cigar the army is leaving beachers hope and you can clearly see archer it’s even the first person jhon aim automatically even if he doesen’t kill him
Nah. Without Arthur’s realization of Dutch’s madness, which happened before he knew he was dying, John never would have had a story to tell. Arthur gave everything to save people he cared about and had wronged. John was given a second chance and chose to still be a puppet. Arthur Morgan. RIP
The way John was breathing as he died was so heartbreaking. Just knowing it had to have been hell, especially knowing he couldn’t protect his family anymore. Even if it is just a video game……it was so emotional for me, especially the utter silence as he died.
All of these deaths had impacts in a different way. But for me John's death hit me the hardest. You just see him grow so much as a man from RDR2 to RDR1. And just to see him walk out of the barn and get shot up and stand there dying just is a gut wrenching sight for me. But Arthur's was depressing as well and Sean's was just a complete surprise that came out of no where.
I believe so too. It makes me sad because he tried to change for his wife and kid. Abigail didn't want anymore troubleand just wanted to grow old raising a ranch and a son but the moment John killed Micah that's when he screw it all over again.
Lenny is such an underrated character. Apparently he was supposed to be a lawyer or doctor or something, and especially during that time, he coulda really set up his family well. Got misled and killed bc of Dutch. Hits especially close to home
I don’t think Lenny would’ve had much opportunity considering he was black and the civil rights movement didn’t start until the 1950s or around there. He probably would’ve lived a secluded life especially since he was already a wanted outlaw since the age of 14 for killing his fathers killers
God how is he overrated, literally everyone always ''memes'' about him and acts like his interactions and missions were the best ever. If anything he is overrated, but its probably a bunch of SJW virtue signalling because he is the only black guy in camp
Hosea was definitely about to have a Rick Grimes “we can all survive this” speech if Milton didn’t kill him. He didn’t expect to die that sudden and in that position. But all he ever wanted was Dutch and the gang to be safe. You can at least tell he was still gonna stand his and the gangs ground with death staring at him
The simbolism is literally the opposite tho? He let go off his weapon, becuz he didn't want to die as a gunslinger till the end, he let tbe past go even if it caught up to him. He didn't want to die with a weapon on his hand
@@parkyamato9450 That doesn’t mean anything lmao he dropped the gun because he was literally shot up. If he didn’t want to go out like an outlaw he wouldn’t have opened fire before getting gunned down, he would’ve let them just shoot him there or take him in to hang him but he wanted to die a gunslinger which is why he drew on them and emptied his gun into the crown before dying
For me it’s hard to decide wich death is the most saddest between Arthur and John, Arthur only tried to keep everyone from dying only to get betrayed by Micah and left behind by Dutch, while John’s death was exactly what you said
@@liamrichardson4976 (depending on what you got with Arthur) but low honor on the mountain is worse in my opinion. Alone, Dutch betraying you, weak and staring into a gun barrel in your final moments, the one person you purely hate shooting you in the head and laughs afterwards. I'd prefer to go out in a blaze of glory like John..
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*Timecodes*
0:00 Davey
1:02 Sean
2:30 Kieran
3:45 Hosea
4:54 Lenny
5:28 Molly
7:13 Miss Grimshaw
8:11 Arthur (Low Honor)
11:43 Arthur (High Honor)
14:26 Micah
15:33 Javier
17:34 Bill
18:35 Dutch
21:44 Uncle
23:18 John
26:28 Abigail
@Hermelinda Darvish scam
@Knox Roman and your in on it
She new the rules and so did I # rickroll
@@kamrenpharis1622 Its "so do I" plus no one gives a sh*t bout it
@@calyx2142 sheesh
In the end, Arthur had the high mountain and Dutch died at the bottom of it.
Micah died at the high mountain too
@@tata-bs6ve that mountain top is cold and lonely
Arthur got the best view of the sunset
Micah's got the cold embrace of the snow and died face down to it.
@@tu4i775 Yh we can tell Micah is worser than Arthur even though both them were crminals
How do you find ditches death in the game!
@@monkeyboy5305 It’s in Red Dead Redemption one.
Saddest moment when Arthur say to Dutch “I gave you all I had... I did.”
Yes it was!
saddest moment in gaming.. also when he told his horse he/she did a good job. so sad
100% breaks my heart every time
@@johnbird7599 the actor who plays Dutch said when they were doing that scene in mocap he would always be crying as he walked away
I don’t know how but when he said “I did” after some of them made it even sadder
I bet no one in 1899 woulda thought uncle would outlive 95% of them.
Not with his lumbago
@@unclesam1433 🤣🤣
@@unclesam1433 roflmfao
Ungle savige
What about the ones that left before they could die like trelawny or tilly?
Dutch asking “who’s with me and who’s betraying me?” just after Micah shot Miss Grimshaw, who was one of the most loyal people out of the gang just shows how much he lost it at that point.
Creepy Joe asking who’s with me and who’s betraying me after Obama shot Kamala Harris out of frustration at trumps success really goes to show how much the democrats lost it and trumps the chosen one to save us
Dutch didn’t care about loyalty he just wanted everyone to suck up to him
There is a camp interaction where Dutch goes off on her like he does on John and Arthur. So Micah had convinced him that Ms. Grimshaw wasn't loyal either, since she questioned his "Plan"
The fact that before Annabelle he was with miss grimshaw in a relationship
I know I just beat the game and that what I was thinking
“You gotta run and don’t look back” - Arthur (RDR2)
“You keep riding and don’t look back” - John (RDR1)
Omg I just realised that
John learned from the one and only
They reunited on RDR1
@@paper8510 they didn't
@@paper8510 you high?
The moment Hosea died was the moment the gang was doomed. Hosea kept Dutch in line for the most part. He was the only guy I think could’ve talked some sense into Dutch.
Agreed, especially considering any questions were basically considered treason in dutch's eyes
Just imagine his (dutch) mental state knowing that everyone was killed because of his greed specially those who have been loyal and cared for him.
No dude. Hosea still let the engagement with Colm happen resulting in Arthur's torture
Exactly. That’s why the gang fell apart
From what i remember it all started when dutch hit his head on a mission in saint dennis from there on he started going crazy
When you saw the decline of the happy camp to a sad angry hateful camp throughout the story was a real kick in the stomach for me
The worst for me was seeing the camp get smaller. Like when Trelawney left the camp. A small character but sad to see the gang dwindle
The happiest part is that Sadie and most of the others got away before death and left the gang
What looked like a happy camp ended in hate
Sameee! Specially when they had party together when Jack was retrieved back! Good times! 🥺😭
Lol so what i did after beating the game, start a new game by the time you first get the camp near Rhodes, i never proceed further into the game and everyone stays alive happily ever after
Jack was a young boy when he first meets Edgar Ross while fishing with Arthur Morgan. Jack ends Edgar Ross while he is fishing.
Ross was duck hunting
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The sad fact is Hosea was the person who held the gang together.
True, when he died, the gang broke up slowly
@@Gusta_012 ya when hosea died they didn't have anything to keep it together
Even though he was holding them together they would have disbanded anyway, like a rubberband stretched for too long.
Dutch did say as long as he has Arthur and hosea by his side the gang would be just fine
@@waveee.0zz231 he had Arthur, what happened?
I feel like the saddest part about high honor Arthur is the broken, almost crying voice as he said "he’s a rat Dutch, he’s a rat" even as he’s dying he still tries to warn Dutch
It hurt so badly to hear, wanted Dutch to just kill Micah then and there
I’m I weird for not caring to much I cared for everyone else’s pretty much except Micah
I got shot in the head by Micah on the cliffside. I was waiting for Dutch to see Micahs betrayal and put a bullet between his eyes. Sadly Arthur does not get a happy ending. 😔
@@arthurmorgan835 that means you done lot a bad things and choose wrong decission buddy dont that bullshit micah got killed by jhon and arthur was avenged
It's because Arthur still loves Dutch, at the end he's still pleading with Dutch saying he "gave all he had", like he's trying to make sure his dad is proud of him and not disappointed before he dies. Right up to his death he's still trying to warn Dutch, hoping that he'll turn back to what he remembered him as. It's ironic how as Arthur accepted the loss of Dutch as a father, he allowed the responsibility for himself to graduate into a father for John, since John lost that in Dutch too.
It’s funny how at the start we were like “no one will beat John Marstons character” and then we met Arthur Morgan and wow.
Only today i finished the game, i was about to cry alot of times, honestly i love both characters but i was alot more attached to Morgan
i do prefer john to be honest, as he looks like my dad. But we can all agree jack sucks
@@DragonSchizo No he doesn't or, at least not in my opinion. If you had to grow up the way he did and then get taken by the government and in the end when you finally think it's over your father dies and you have to see he's lifeless blood soaked body, then bury him. A year or two later your mother dies. How would you feel? What would your look on life be? What would be your attitude? I don't blame him in the slightest.
Johns hits harder to me at least. His death was unexpected and incredibly violent. Arthur was a good character but just not the level of badass John was. His death was painful too but it wasn't the same. The second he was diagnosed with TB I knew he was done for, as it was fatal back then.
@@xxmadmax999xx I remember John's death being the biggest shock I've ever had in a game at the time, maybe to this day. You gotta give rockstar props though. Everyone knew arthur would die and wanted to play as John, the fact that they were able to make everyone fall in love with Arthur and still find a way to kill him in a completely unexpected way is impressive as hell.
Uncle in 1899: “I have lumbago it’s VERY serious I could die!”
Uncle outliving 95% of the gang in 1911
And didn't died by lumbago
@@rtqxh actually I’m pretty sure that the gunshot didn’t kill him. In fact the lumbago did, but I could be wrong because I am usually wrong.
imagine if uncle whispered in John's ears during his last moment "i never really had any lumbago you dumbass"
😭
Uncle and authur and John are the best the shoulda been the only one to survive
Did u know lambago is real
Damn !!!!
If rdr1 ever gets remastered i really want uncle to say that before dying
It also suits his character
@@ravenhernandez2352 yeah it’s lower back pain lml, half these ppl don’t know that but it’s funny cause it’s his excuse every time when damn wel lower back pain shouldn’t stop you from doing much gunslinging lol
Notice how when Lenny dies only Arthur stops Charles almost stops and Javier looks back but Dutch, Bill and Micah just run by without looking
Javier is a good man but his loyalty blinded him.
@@kingf6766 yea and i can't blame him i mean dutch saved him he was stealing chickens to survive
Because they’re cared and the others didn’t
@@kingf6766 of course i am
dutch cared did u not hear him before he was not in camera view
You can see the look in Dutch’s face when he realizes Arthur never betrayed him
If you pause you can see the exact moment where dutch realized he fucked up... *click click click* THERE RIGHT THERE
Yeah he just woked up and realised that he ruined his gang
I think that's why he waited to kill Micah when John was present. He knew John would eventually come after Micah.
John: What are you doing here, Dutch?
Dutch: Same as you, I suppose.
@@localcompanion holy fuck. I never even realized. Ive beaten this game a couple times and I WAS WONDERING WHY DUTCH SAID THAT! Thank you. That shit is poetic
Dutch’s actor cried after doing that scene
As for Uncle.. well it wasn't the bullet that killed him. When it hit his flesh it travelled through his body and struck his spine agitating his already very serious lumbago even further. Sadly this caused him to then soil himself loudly, complain his back hurts and then finally succome to his lifelong struggle with the terminal disease
Poor old Uncle I'll forever think of you when i lift heavy things RIP
lumbago
lumbago
lumbago
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Lumbago
The fact that Dutch chose to believe a man he rode with for almost a year over the guy he basically raised is astonishing. Arthur seemed like he was trying to keep Dutch "sane" (for lack of a better term) like Hosea did.
There’s a theory that during the post office robbery when the trolley explodes Dutch’s head injury effects his brain
He saw John and Arthur as sons. Hosea could reason with him since Dutch saw him as his equal and they were partners too. Since he raised and taught john and Arthur, he could never see them as people from whom he could take advice. Keep in mind Dutch's plans were all crashing down, one after the other coupled with his own anguish over his losses and the recent deaths. He took sole responsibility for everything, when he should have admitted his defeat and sought advice and counsel from his "sons" and fellow gang members who cared for him instead of going on a revenge, hunting down his rivals for good. He had to let himself open to others compassion, but he cocoons himself because he is too proud of a leader. Its sad story all round this rdr2.
@@brwill4223 that would explain his erratic behavior. But I think he just got paranoid after some of the other older gang member started to betray him I think that pushed him over the edge.
Another reason for it is because Arthur and John kept doubting his plans which made him think that they dont trust him anymore while Micah was asskissing him making him think that he will be on his side no matter what
Dutch was slowly getting desperate, specially with the Pinkertons on their tais. He made aggressive bold dangerous plans which were put in doubt for other members, and only Micah who was also that aggressive liked those plans.
Hosea was Dutch thinking counterbalance, and when he was killed, and Molly confessed she told the Pinkertons the robbery plan, Dutch became more paranoic and aggressive, siding more and more with Micah than the family who started to doubt him for his own good.
Arthur to John, before the gang completely fell apart: “You’ve gotta run and not look back.”
John to Abigail and Jack, moments before his death: “Keep riding, and don’t look back.”
Goes to show how well RDR1 John was written that they re used multiple of his lines with other characters in RDR2.
I just get the feeling that john was inspired by arthurs words
And in the end, whether willingly or not, neither John nor Jack were able to do that-- to leave the gang or that way of violent life behind them. I never really thought about that until your comment just now :(
@@AspenFireflyGaming Jack may as well be a guard, married, have 3 kids, but also stayed up long at night or was gone somewhere, making his wife concerned, when in fact he was researching where he could find Ross. He didn't want anyone but him. Then he left to his town somewhere in the West States.
There were no gangs up that point or rare. So he was working solo. Or at least that's what I like to think, sooner or later the revenge cycle ends, no one else left to kill. The states are too big, you could have easily disappeared back then if you wanted to. He shot Ross probably just 4-6 years later, right in the middle of the first world war and before the rise of the mobs in the 20s.
And they both die after buying others time to run away
Arthur was dying from tb and Micah still barely beat him. He is one tough man.
Who is with me!? As Micah shoots a gang member.
Arthur did beat a man 2x his size, help people in the gang and manage to beat an army of Pinkertons,etc…
He would have won with flying colours if his TB was not that bad at the end.
@@pewpew1943 I wish there was a ending to where you and John make it out and Arthur gets the rest he needs cures his tb and you can switch between characters like in gta5
@@waveee.0zz231 his tb was too fatal, he was gonna die either way
Grimshaw's death hit me the hardest. With all of them, even Lenny who didn't get a proper cutscene, the gang members acknowledged that someone had passed, making comments and arrangements to tend to the body. Grimshaw was the lady of the gang who took care of the camp and kept it running efficiently. She basically helped raise a number of the gang members. When Tilly went missing, she demanded she and Arthur hunt the bastard down and insisted he be killed for touching one of her girls. Then she was shot and left for dead in the dirt, crying out in agony and no one was moving to comfort her or put her out of her misery. She loved on all the gang members like a mother, then was put down like a dog. It stings that this older woman did so much and in the end got so very little.
she deserved better. I love that she saw through Dutch and the others and took Arthur's side, too. Micah's such a snake, and Dutch was crazy for not seeing that until Arthur's death.
@@corsojameshoseas death hit dutch hard, micah wouldn't have got as close to dutch if hosea survived since hosea was 2nd in charge and that wouldn't of changed if he was alive
Dutch was going mentally insane, so something would've went wrong in the gang sooner or later@@Lowkeylit69
she killed molly though
@@tripleduckMolly is the reason why Hosea died. She was the one who talked before the bank job. She begged for Dutch's love and attention even though he clearly didn't reciprocate the feelings, and betrayed him for that. Her death wasn't 100% deserved, but she did have it coming
It seems that Dutch's sanity died with Hosea.
The last straw was when he got stranded on that old island
He started to go insane when he shot that woman in blackwater
YUp, He lost the one he trusted most 1st, then lost himself, starting to lose trust in people because Micah was the snake in his ear. We dont see it before it's too late but it easy to undestand when Dutch make you go save Micah. He acted already like he 100% trusted Micah. This is a great indicator that he lost his moral compas even before the story begin and trusted bad people. In the end, he lost everything. This is a tragedy.
hosea was his voice of reason
Yep
Micah: Shoots Mrs. Grimshaw in the stomach.
Dutch: “Who here is betraying me?”
That was so sad
The screams...
😂😂😂😂
My god. I was enraged. I was like bitch, he just killed one of the most useful people in the camp. What you mean?
😂😂😂
Arthur’s last breath in high honor really had me staring at the screen for a good 15 minutes.. Rdr2 is in my humble opinion one of the greatest free roam games ever made. The storyline, the characters, the journey throughout the map had me invested like nothing before. Hats off to the developers at Rockstar for this masterpiece!!
That's a hell a way to go out. Staring into the sunset of a beautiful mountain in the wilderness. That's how I wanna go.
One of the greatest stories in gaming ever imo
Then you login to RDR online expecting same freedom sandbox fun with even more expanded world, but all you get is shit and garbage. RDR2 single player without story is better western sandbox than online version.
Same thing happened to me. I remember it so clearly. My jaw just completely dropped through the last chapter before the prologues... this game had me so invested it was literally a part of my life 4 to 6 hours a day lol. The creators needs lifetime award. One hell of a couple games man.
I was never a fan of westerns but damn do I love this game!
On the exact moment of Sean's death, everything went to hell.
Yep. For me it was the “oh shit” moment that things are gonna only get worse for them from here.
That fact that John was shot to hell by 20 men and still managed to stare them down with the look of a man saying “I won’t die like some dog” is still mind blowing even after 11 years
John was a beast, they needed an army to take him down, and even then, John was the one who chose to die here so Abigail and Jack could live in peace, he probably could have killed all the soldiers if he wanted to.
@@Alex-zd6xh sadly thats not true, there is no way john could have killed them, and he sadly didnt choose to die, he was doomed, he just choose to die with dignity and save what he had left, his family
@@kakikutya7912 I mean, he could've taken cover in the upper floor of the barn and shot through the window
@@jetnebula7915 he could, but then another army would come for him over and over again which could lead to death of abby and jack
@@GeetMonke That's true, but the possibility was there. His sacrifice was out of love, not necessity.
I still love the fact that Ross brought an entire army to deal with john cause he knew how dangerous he was
Yep. John was an army unto himself.
Ross knew he was fighting a protagonist. Pulled that dirty cutscene trick.
@@alaljarensi6990 yeah, he killed a bunch of mexican soldiers, one corrupt captain, even a coronel.
@@jacobslater485 Guess plot armor doesn't work in cutscenes
@@alaljarensi6990 He was a one man army.
Lenny was my favourite non-protagonist character. His death really annoyed me because he was killed in such a non-significant way
me too bro, i rlly liked shaun but he just got shot then buried, it felt so wrong
You expect a character like Lenny to die in a cutscene not during a live mission and right after Hoseas death you don’t expect it at all, it really makes the death sting even mote
Man, I had the reflexes to shoot them but the game wouldn't allow me
@FBI Alypstick didn’t he say that about the Callander boys?
I saved him
Sean's death honestly set the tone for the rest of the game. Michah's phsycophathic response to his death forshadows his betrayal later. I knew from that moment "Oh were all gonna die."
Bro, Duth's death is Bill and Javie's death, it's not their fault, it's also very sad, the one who made Duth's head was Micah Bell's mouse, Jon's, man, it's sad, dms
When Micah wore white while rest of the gang wore dark cloths for the bank heist, I knew he was the rat.
@@Ləğåćý i had a stroke reading that shit
@@BVX_XCTYme to
@@Ləğåćýstop commenting ur slow
Uncle’s death was the most redeeming and sad death for me. He lived his life as a coward and people always made fun of him and looked down on him. Yet in his final moments he chose to stay and help John protect his family. He knew he was dead the second he saw those soldiers and agents riding to their home but he chose to stay this time cuz he knew protecting John’s family was worth it unlike the gang when they split in two and were going mad. Like the joker said from the dark knight how people show their true selves in their final moments before death.
Uncle was lazy and senile. But I will give you that he at least tried to protect John and his family
@Ethan Cusimano Red is native american, has facial scars, and is in a different game universe as stated from Dan Houser himself. nice try though
@Ethan Cusimano we all wish that was true.
There is a theory that Uncle is actually Red Harlow from Red Dead Revolver. The age checks out and he said he used to be called "The one shot kid". Maybe he wasn't as lazy as he let on.
I always liked uncle
This is why i loved the camp on the hill near valentine, no one died in that segment
Stay in chapter 2 as long as you can
@@MikeyDenny that's what I did I just free roamed a lot and the only mission that would be left is the Thomas Downs mission
And micah was in jail
@@2econdhand_v4nity eventually the game forces you to do it
@@MikeyDenny Chapter 4 is the best for roaming bc the gang is mostly happy and you have access to everything Arthur can do
Can we all just take moment to think...A man in his 60's who had lumbago...outlived 50% OF THE GANG
Didn’t you know? Uncle is the ultimate being capable of taking on Shaggy, when he got shot he only took a nap
You know lumbago is just a permanent lower back injury, not a terminal illness... right?
@@wolfeye8923 Idk... I've heard him talk about his lumbago, but I don't recall him using the word "terminal". That would be funny though.
@@wolfeye8923 I'm aware of that... I've had the conversations with him where he mentions lumbago, which btw, is actually not a bad excuse for being lazy since it prevents the ability to do hard labor (no heavy lifting). I just don't recall him ever referring to his lumbago as being terminal. I have an rdr2 game saved in the epilogue, and I'm currently playing thru it again so I'll talk to uncle, see if he says it.... or does he only say "terminal" in rdr1? I haven't played that one since I can't get it on PC.
@@wolfeye8923 Nah he wasn't a coward he had a mission where he bill arthru and Charles fight Cornwalls men and he fought with the rest
He just was getting old and wanted to to end the fighting
When you said Arthur wasn’t just the best character in rdr2 but all of gaming really tugged at my heart. Arthur was someone we all wish we could be like and playing as him really does. I’m not kidding when I say Arthur touched my heart and helped shape me to be an even better man than I am. I was 17 when I met him and replaying at 20 has brought it all back once more. RIP to a great man, RIP Arthur Morgan.
“John made it. He’s the only one...”
Looks like *I* made it too😈
I always thought he said Sean
@@santaisnotreal1240 ah yes sean who has a hole in his head and is 6 ft under
@@santaisnotreal1240 bruh...are you stupid?
@@arthurmorgan3020 yesaaa
The sad part in RDR2 is that you can see everyone that would side with Arthur at the end were killed along the story, which created the final finale stand-off.
I don’t no why I Javier didn’t side with Arthur they were always close
@@blossom10799 Javier was more loyal to Dutch than he was to Arthur
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You notice it more if you go into later chapters after Saint Denis that Javier actually starts to become more distant from Arthur and more close to Micah.
Just spend time around the camp and you’ll see them together talking and they’ll even ask Arthur to move on and let them talk.
What about Sadie though, think you missed that one. She became much closer to Arthur at the end, and said he was the best man she knew since her husband. And then also, Charles.
@@genox3636 they weren't in the camp, so they don't count
The real Dutch died when Hosea died
Facts
The real dutch died way before that. I’d say it really got bad after the death if Sean
@@bro26mohw Dutch was going out of control, and Hosea tired to not get him carried away and ahead of things like not going after bronte
I think he lost his mind when he shot that girl on the Ferry
@@laze1000 yh prob, at that moment he wanted to be fully w Micah. After all, Micah convinced Dutch to kill her
I just completed Rdr2. And now after watching this, i cannot hold back the tears anymore. Everything Arthur fought for fell apart. I feel so bad for John, he was betrayed. Seeing Abigail and Jack watching over John's corpse is truly gut wrenching. I still remember how John raised Jack and proposed Abigail in the epilogue of rdr2. I wish rdr had a happy ending.
It was smart of Ross to bring an army. He seemed to know the power of deadeye
and the power of a cutscene lol. In a normal gunfight, i bet John could take out 2 armies like that using deadeye lol.
@@jakenguyen1150 Provided he could find a gun with enough ammo loaded into it
I think Sean’s death hit me the hardest just because I wasn’t expecting it at all and it set the scene for how the story was going to progress from there. It kinda planted in that seed of hopelessness that grows as you progress through the game…
And it really put in your head "No one is save, everyone can die at any moment, just *BANG*, and they're gone"
And then Micah prods his dead body with his foot.
Yeah Sean’s death bothered me. The main deaths that got to like got to my heart were Sean, Hosea, Lenny, Miss Grumshaw, and Arthurs
@Tranhoang Long Nah, it was Bill that time. Bill's a dumbass and mentioned he'd been drinking with the Grey boys beforehand trying to find a job for the gang to do, made it way too obvious. Arthur should've wasted both of them right then for Sean's death and Micah touching his body with his foot.
he was like the dumb, happy one, it was such a blast in the stomach to see him go. The life of the camp went as well, it wasn’t the same
One of the saddest deaths for me was Miss Grimshaw. She was so protective of the entire gang and she was the first and only one to say something when Tilly went missing and showed zero mercy to Anthony and insisted he killed her because he kidnapped Tilly. She was a bit strict, but she was mainly doing it to protect the gang. She will always be one of my favorites
right? And no one even seems to care as she's dying, its horrible
Didn't charles sag that he and miss grimshaw buried Arthur?
Say*
@@mootang6236 I’m not sure. There is a lot of different endings to the game depending on what missions you do, how high or low honor you have, and more
@@mootang6236 How would Grimshaw bury Arthur, she dies before he does. Charles said he buried them both.
Arthur's death was really crushing. I have never been so emotional from a game in my life. Arthur was a genuine man, staying by his horses side and thanking her for everything ❤️ 😢. Then helping John live, while also warning dutch of Micahs betrayal. Absolutely the most amazing story I have ever seen. Rdr franchise will remain the best in history.
John definitely got his redemption, the way he sacrificed himself for his family and his overall growth since the blackwater heist is phenomenal
John had a tear when putting javier in the cell
@@listy0fsmegeven though Javier was a filthy rat. I can understand the sentiment. I had superclose friends too who done stuff before their death and made everyone turn against them. Wether it was drugs that fucked them up or they were always rotten. I couldn't help mourn for them when they died (poorly)
@@easygrin1127Javier wasnt a rat? he just sided with Dutch
@@easygrin1127 Javier just sided with Dutch. Plus he wasn't pointing his gun for Arthur and John, his gun was pointed at the sky
@@jadendeadredemption7262well in rdr1 you find out what he was up to soon as he left them there at that faithful campsite. And everyone his own people find him a dispicable rat. And even if he doubts at first he sure is gunning for Arthur and John right after.
Arthur meeting Lenny in heaven
*”LENNY MY BOY”*
teerG LeNnY
Murders and thieves don’t go to heaven
@@ben0466 they do when they deeply regret their decisions
@@goosegangsta6508 if I kill someone but feel bad afterwards felt sowwwwy I still robbed someone of a father , brother , son .. you’re a dolt who just liked the idea of Arthur Morgan the video game cowboy .. but in real life someone like him should be thrown in jail
@@ben0466 Jesus dude I just said they can go to heaven when they have regrets
Damn arthur’s voice in the high honor death is heart wrenching
Low honor is better
To each our own
@@alamo0243 Low honor doesn't fit well though. High honor is way more fitting. High honor he dies and it really hits you in the feels. In low honor he gets stabbed and its like.. is that it? That can't be all..
@@alamo0243 high honor makes u feel better about Arthur’s story
@@user-sd6zz2hm2u that's if you go back for the money. If you have low honor and help john, Micah shoots arthur in the head after their fight on the mountain
John Marston's Death always made me tear up, I loved RDR1 so much when I was younger that the first time I finished the game I couldn't believe it and teared up
It actually hurt when Sean died,because he was such a lovable character,but then again,most of them are loved characters
he died so abruptly
He was my fav..loved his accent
Except micah bell
when this happened i wouldn't leave, i just kept killin folks til none were left, i was like, "NOOOOO Sean, NOOOOO, die you bastards!!!!"
He was my favourite with his irish accent 😭
It's funny how Dutch always had a plan and his last one finally worked out for him
He's gone to the tahiti in the sky.
@@chimaera2611 in hell
@@Lost20048 what about the shooting of Micah
@@chimaera2611dutch did NOT go to heaven bro
Red Dead 2 is the first game I’ve ever felt like I was apart of a family in a game, seeing them go one by one was actually painful
rdr2 makes no sense its an asspullof a story that barely conncts to the first. good game but terribly written. 8 years of development and they didnt even look atrdr1 a single time for story continuation.
@@deathrager2404 tweaking bro
@@deathrager2404 did you play the epilogue?
@@bananamix1896 john in rdr1:
'' a robbery went bad, they left me for dead and i left them.havent seen any of the gang since!!''
ending of rdr2 is debunked with just this statement, the whole epilogue is debunked with just this statement. stop being that fanboy in denial dude.
@@deathrager2404 but that's what happened? The train robbery went bad dutch left him for dead and said to the gang he was dead then he came back screaming at dutch saying he left him for dead. Your a fucking idiot, on top of that there's only so much you can do when a game came out 8 years after the first one, it's like saying red dead 1 is bad story telling because John doesn't mention Arthur, you can be irritated by it but it in no way makes it bad storytelling, lmao they didn't even know arhur would be a thing. They did a fucking amazing job fleshing out the van der linde gang and it's characters, the epilogue even goes as far to explain how the Pinkerton's found John, when he went and killed Micah the Pinkerton's we're able to track him down from it. It shows it all in the slideshows in the credits, them finding the camp Micah dead to them looking at him teaching Jack how to brush a horse through binoculars. I can't tell if you just want to hate like one of those people that think any any sequel or prequel is bad or are just trolling but you are objectively completely wrong
An overlooked death to me atleast is Kieran, he died when he was first beginning to get into the gang comfortably, we died when he was just then becoming apart of the family, just for him to die.
He disappears after the party when Jack returns
@@warsoul4851 Yes I know, but that is the thing, he dies when he is finally almost acceptd.
He never truly joined the Van der Linde gang, he was killed in a rather brutal way, his corpse is used as a threat, and he is swiftly forgotten by all parties concerned. To Colm, he was a faceless body that betrayed him, nothing more. To Dutch and company, he was more of a prisoner than a companion for the majority of his time with them.
@@rulebritannia8438 I have to disagree there. Sure he wouldn't of been apart of the Saint Denis Robbery, but I can guarantee he would've helped when the group got stuck in Guarma, of course getting push back from Sadie and other groups. But folks like Arthur and Mary don't dislike him or hate him per se. As high honour Arthur states that "He saved my life but I could not save his" showing he would've saved bro. If Saint Denis went smoothly he would've begun to be a member, even when it failed. He would've began to pull his weight
@@warsoul4851 He was captured by O'Driscolls and tortured according to the red dead wiki
I know the low honor ending is bad, but the line, “you let him damn us all” is just amazing
Yeah I know. The low honor is the most heart wrenching. Kind of like the marstons death in the first one.
That line should have been in every ending.
His whole low honor speech kills me i played that one my first playthrough not even colm is what got me his voice cracks everything these games are unrivaled
Sean's was one of the most jarring deaths I've ever experienced. It's a perfect representation of the life of an outlaw. One minute you're having a casual conversation, and the very next second, kapow, your friend, who had an entire life story, a whole ass person that you've come to know, fucking dead, gone, ended. It's so sudden, and it's so perfect to absolutely lurch the player into a sense of "oh fuck this is real."
Lenny's and Kieran's were both equally the saddest. I was expecting those two to escape the gang, for Kieran to find redemption, for Lenny to escape the life, but again, suddenly, no warning, gone.
What a perfect way to illustrate how easy a story can come to an end.
such an underrated comment
Literally hit the nail on the damn head, surprised this doesn't have more likes
I found Sean’s and Lenny’s deaths to be the most realistic, no drama no lead up just BANG dead.
this is what all of the idiots who want war need to understand, I've lost a lot of armenian friends during kharabakh war, some of them are the people i grew up with, went to the same school. now they're 6 feet under and I never had the chance to visit their grave. we had history together and I'm left with regrets that I didn't have a chance to share their faith, couldn't support them while they were alive except sending money for cigarettes. all of them were young and perspective, some even wrote books, made music, art, now they're gone. Sorry I got emotional and into details but I don't have anybody to speak up to, at least you seem to understand how scary death is
Yeah I put my controller down instantly, that’s how traumatized i was
I think Gavin the missing person would have been on Arthurs side
GAVIN!
GAV!... IN!
GAV? GAVIN!
I'm starting to get worried.....
Yes
You showed the finale with Arthurs hat on John.
You sir, did this the right Way
Arthur’s death is one of the most emotional scenes in gaming history
The only time a video game has made me cry like a baby. 😭
It really is... the depth of this game and how it captured the players. I was so sucked into this game when it first came out. Its funny, sad, serious, bloody, terrifying. I mean I have never played any game like Rdr1 and Rdr2. Those 2 games need a lifetime award.
You should play The Last of Us series
@@BeF1990 if you're talking about our favorite guy's death (not tryna throw any spoilers) he died in a miserable way, watching that actually hurt me so much but arthurs death was built up almost perfectly, and the "i gave you all I had".. i mean it's just my opinion you don't have to accept it but for me arthurs death hit harder than the man we're talking about
@@BeF1990 Last of us 2 was complete garbage, don't even compare that pile of filth to this masterpiece.
5:09
The way Dutch scream "Oh god, no." Always hit me really hard for some reason. The thing about Lenny's death is its meant to be quick, the game won't give you time to process it. No flashy cut scene, no dramatic way out. Just quick.
The way Dutch just sounds so heartbroken but you know you have to keep going.
I tried so hard to save Lenny, soon as I saw those guys I activated dead eye because I thought there might be a chance
@@KingTruffles I restarted the checkpoint three times in effort to save Lenny, he was my favorite character and he was just dead. In an instant, ive never had a game make me have such an unhealthy and bizzare attachment to the characters. I sat there for 15 minutes trying to save Lenny over and over crying. As if he was a real person and I was just grieving in denial
Dutch: OH GOD NO! anyways...
His death reminds me of the death of Captain André Matias, from the Brazilian movie Tropa de Elite: O Inimigo Agora É Outro (2011). The guy got shot in the back and that was it. No flashy cuts, no dramatic moments, just pure and plain simplicity, which makes it even more tragic.
Ok cowpoke
And after all this, there's still one "member" of the gang left, Jack.
yeah
Charles sadie karen mary tilly are probably still around
@@wuskraken6187 Karen’s likely dead, according to Mary-Beth
@@nickynicky009 probably dead by 1914
@@nickynicky009 he died 20 years of starvation
You can see that the death of hosea reallyy started it all. The pause then sudden rage in dutchs voice is everything.
Kieran’s death sent some chills down my spine. Especially cause he was one of my favorites
And not because he WAS HOLDING HIS HEAD ON A HORSE!!!!!
Edit: Thanks all of you for the Likes!
@@RyGaming24 maybe he lived he still had his head after all
Sad thing is i started like and trust him until he disappeared then I thought he was gonna betray me but no he was murdered.
Bruh I think they censored it in the German version. I wondered why he didn't hold his head
@@warpitexis2341 yeah in the American version his mutilated head is held in his hands by his lap
Rdr2 John meets Dutch in the snow
Rdr1 John meets Dutch in the snow
Dutch We need to stop meeting like this
XD you cant fight nature
You can’t fight change
My time is over John
@@willhoops695 It’s “Our time has passed, John.”
@@TrystonTX dont care
The most disturbing moment in both games has to be Kieran's death. Damn I wasn't expecting that.
fr, like first time i played i was like "W.T.A.F" as soon as i just saw kieran just riding into shady belle with his head chopped clean off
@@lol-pb2jv I didn't understand what was going on until it showed Kieran. When Mary-Beth screamed I was like "Jesus, why you screamin-WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK IS THAT"
Yea that scene caught me off guard ngl 😂
I have never whole heartedly screamed what the fuck is that at the top of my lungs at a video game till that point
I legit almost passed out at that scene lol
I like how one of dutches last line in the first red dead was “I have a plan… this is a good one” but we’re never annoyed by the million “I have a plan” yet in the second.
no matter how skilled you are, how much dead eye you have...you can't overcome the power of cutscenes 😭😭
I like the fact that he use "Arthur" instead of "Arthur (High Honor)"
What
When you thought that the low honor ending makes more sense
Arthur's high honor death should be the canonical one. Just makes more sense.
@@matthewallen445 it should be but I think Micah would’ve killed Arthur instead of leaving. The high honor return for the money makes more sense. And it would be better if Arthur told John something different.
@@noahherrera5214 I think high honor hear makes more sense since he was determined to save johns family at the end of the game also like the helping indian missions charles and arthur didn't want any of the money cause there was too much blood on it
In the end Jack was the one that truly made it thanks to Arthur and John.
He killed Ross and became the one thing he was never supposed to be, an outlaw. John would not have wanted that. Abigail would not have wanted that, no-one wanted that. Jack is now the last living member of what was once Van Der Linde gang, on U.S soil.
@@BloxEzio3 what if jack is the protagonist of rdr3
@@BloxEzio3 well, they all died and were buried in the us. If you account for decomposition, then the van der linde gang is us soil.
@@BloxEzio3 I don't think John cared he became a gunslinger but Abigail definitely did
@@caiminmills2667 I don't think the gonna make the rd3 because at that time the cowboys outlaw was the end
“Oh Dutch…. he’s a rat.”
That’s the scene when I started to tear up. Arthur said it in a way as if he was tired of Dutch being so naive and clueless. It just broke me.
Uncle’s death made me cry. The reactions from John, Abigail and Jack showed how much they loved him. Might of been the closest thing to a real father that John ever had. And the fact that he didn’t run when he could have and stayed to help John proved how loyal and tough he really was.
He was a drunk mess up, but he was always loyal and always was there for his family.
Unless I missed so.ething uncle was alive at the end in mine he was at the wedding of John and Abigail he'll dutch is still alive on mine
@@RayFinkle22266 Uncle dies in the first game along with John. Abigail dies a few years later. The only survivors of the gang are Sadie, Charles, Mary-Beth, Tilly, Swanson, Pearson, and Jack
@@thenationalradar8355 oh OK I ever played the 1st redemption game I had the red dead revolver but don't think it's connected. I'm aging as John now just mess I ng around wondering what I done wrong or missed as I haven't even ventured into Mexico and see ppl playing a mission of John sneaking down a river shooting at ppl on the banks of the river into Mexico and j haven't even got a mission available. The story says 100% but when I save it says 86.7% so idk I know I want to see dutch fall off a cliff I never got that
@@thenationalradar8355 trelawny as well we can assume
Funny how you included Ross at the end even though he’s not a gang member, just for pleasure’s sake. If he wasn’t here, I sure as hell would’ve searched for a Jack’s revenge video after this.
Fun Fact, the first time we "meet" Ross it's when Arthur goes fishing with Jack, Ross dies to Jack near a river when fishing
@@bruschetta7711 Ross was Duck hunting. But what is a duck but a flying fish
@@derekmensch3601 not sure a duck is a flying fish but let's say it is so it's a cooler end
@@CorvusLeukos man as far as Im concerned that piece of shit died thinking he was fishing lmao
I'd pay full money if they create an alternate universe story where Arthur just killed ross and milton at the river.
So happy for Sadie, Charles , Mery Beth , Karen , Tilly , Trewlany , Reverend and Pearson. They survived somehow seems so good.
Karen drank herself to death shortly after she left.
I Imagine if Sadie got her DLC she woulda been killed in that you know how it goes With RDR characters rockstar likes to kill em off
@@wolfder6661 She was a hot woman so she would have gotten way worse than killed.
@@White_Wrath she was a damn fine women as Arthur would tell you that I can agree but rockstar have a hardon for killing their characters they get to the development finalization for the story ending the whole table are at full mass of the the thought of killing off another MC
@@wolfder6661 She was overhyped af especially since she was just some random farmers widow
Imagine u haven't play any of the games and u just saw the thumbnail 💀
After seeing how Dutch looked like in rdr2, I couldn’t believe that he’s the same person in rdr1 even though I played the first game first. They’re like two different persons. In rdr2, he dressed lavishly with jewelry and nice outfits. He had the most beautiful horse in the gang and had two or three (I think he loses one schofield revolver during the shipwreck in guarma since one of them is replaced with a double action while he’s there) beautifully custom revolvers. He had his hair done and facial hair styled. In rdr1 he looks so broken and looks like as if he doesn’t care anymore. He looks like a homeless. And he’s using a pistol and has a huge gang now. Also in rdr2 he talked shit about colm saying how his gang is too big and how he doesn’t give a shit about any of them as long as they can kill and ride and are big in numbers. Yet he’s doing the exact same thing in rdr1. His life is a tragedy imo
Honestly I think these games show how people change so well, like with Dutch. In RDR2 they act like noble criminals (in conversations) and mention they use to be virtuous but somewhere stopped. By the time of the first game gangs don’t do anything like that, they’re just violent. I think Dutch went from one side of the spectrum of noble criminal to where we find him by 1911. One of my favorite character arcs.
@@Noam-Bahar Yes
Wow , that's why I love these games
"I feel like he's become the same man he told us not to be" -Arthur Morgan
Hosea was his turning poing.
The bank robbery in Saint Denis was a disaster. The gang has been almost destroyed, several members were killed and arrested. Everything seemed lost.
micah was a pinkerton rat all along
How many comments u gonna put
How did abigail manage to slip tho
500
Did Molly lied about being a snitch?
Worst thing is, Dutch warned him in the end
He said "they're just gonna find another monster" and they did, that monster was john
Yeah
Wait what
John's death in my opinion is much sadder than Arthur's because Arthur's death was expected and we had time to say goodbye to the character but with John when RDR1 came out there was no way of knowing that John was going and was so fast and unexpected and John held up his end of the bargain with Ross and his men but yet he was double crossed and eventually killed just because Ross wanted to take all the credit for being the one to end the Van Der Linde once and for all
Bessie: Died of a disease or a shootout
Anabelle: Killed in retaliation to the death of Colm' o driscolls brother
Mac: Holed up like swiss cheese
Davey:Mortally wounded, died in the cold
Sean: Shot to the head. Died as he lived. Completely unaware
Kieran: Tortured and beheaded by the O Driscolls.
Hosea: Shot in the back by the pinkertons
Lenny: Was ambushed and shot
Molly: Shotgunned through the abdomen
Josiah Trelawny: Packs his bags and leaves.:
Reverend Swanson: Gets on a train and escapes
Herr Straus: Tortured and killed in custody
Mary Beth Gaskill: Becomes the succesful author Leslie Dupont
Tilly Jackson: Gets married to a wealthy lawyer and starts a family
Pearson: Becomes a store owner
Grimshaw: Got shot dirty by a rat
Arrhur: Died of Tuberculosis/Shot in the head/ Stabbed multiple times
Karen Jones: Disappears Depressed and Drunk
Cleet: Gets shot or hanged by John Sadie and Charles
Joe: Gets owned by John
Micah: Shot by John and betrayed by Dutch
Charles Smith: Moves to Canda probably living his best life
Sadie Adler: Probably starts a transportation company, continues to bounty hunt and travels to South America
Javier:Corralled and killed by John and the pinkertons
Bill: Helplessly shot by John and Reyes
Dutch: Commits suicide by jumping off a cliff
Red Ha- I mean Uncle: Shot defending the Marstons, which would've never happened had he not contracted Lumbago
John: Betrayed and massacred by the pinkertons
Abigail: Becomes depressed, gets sick and dies.
Jack: Becomes an outlaw by avenging his father and his gang.
Also Jenny Kirk, died in the mountains after Blackwater. Exact cause unknown.
Also Milton didn't shoot Hosea in the back, but the chest.
hell is arrhur
His Family
red harlow lol
W Charles
You do not have to kill Javier. One of the saddest storys of one of the gang members. He seemed lost and did not know what to do. He is not like Bill or Micah
fuck that traitor lol, bruh i couldn't believe it, like he just watched dutch sacrifice an entire tribe for some state bonds and he doesnt seem to have any issue with the insane levels of murder micah and dutch want, atleast charles had some sense
However, even if you take him alive from John's later lines, you can read that he died in prison. I like Javiel. He didn't even point a gun when Arther and John defected, and the insult to John when he took him alive was full of pain that ended up being hostile to his former friend.
@@user-ColonelValeriohe may of not pointed a gun but he sided with Dutch and Micah even after micah had just shot grimshaw when micah had basically only just joined the camp and Arthur,John and Grishaw were in the gang long before micah. He chose his side and ultimately thats the ultimate betrayal in the eyes of John so I think the anger is very much granted
Javier will die either choice and he deserved it. And they all have sad stories. But some of them had good hearts. Javier had a bad one..
I can’t bring myself to hate Javi, and I don’t know why. Sure, they have to have him become a dick late game to justify his character in RDR, but he was such a humble and charming guy early game that I feel sort of conflicted with the character he eventually becomes.
Seeing Hosea killed really broke my heart, he was like a-father figure to me.
It was very sad, when i watched that, i felt disappointed.
mika. was a shit. i knew it from begging of game. i don't know why, but i knew. excuse me duys i was drunk
@@СтепанФатеев-н8б stfu
I don’t really talk/have reactions when I play games but Hosea and Lenny’s deaths made me actually yell out in anger
I never really get attached to game characters but Hosea’s death made me more upset than Arthur’s.
One of my top 3 characters in RDR series is Lenny.I liked him from chapter 1 where he helped them to rob the train,and his "best friend" kind of friendship with Arthur and his hate for Micah.When I played and he died i stopped the game and cried for about 20 minutes.His death was so dark,no music,cutscene or anything.For me Lenny will be my favourite character of all time and one of the most underrated in whole RDR series.
"I've got a plan John" "you've always got a plan Dutch"
This is a good one
We just need some money
Have some goddamn faith
@@Clubsoday *SmOKe*
jUsT ONE MOrE ScoRE
Poor Molly she died even when she wasn't the rat :(
Edit : Guys Molly didnt a say word Agent Milton said it in the mission “Red Dead Redemption”
well she did just it wasnt the whole time
But, she was. Micah was the big one, but molly was.
She was Micah and her both were
@@monkeyboy5305 nope. Molly lied for love. Micah was the only rat in the game
Even more sad that Susan was the one that shot her when she was one of the good ones. If she knew it was just drunken rambling trying to get Dutch's attention I dont think she'd have shot Molly :(
Your not going to lie to me all of us when we got to the last part with Arthur we break the button trying to reach that damn revolver
Yeah
I grinded that button to dust
True
I literally turned off the console and tried it again...
OH YES FUCKING YES
Seans death felt so sudden, one shot to the head and immediately the whole town was into a gun fight, micah came in clutch aswell.
Davey was by far the most rememberable character of the RDR games
lmao
Imagine getting killed first in a game cause your not important in the rdr2 and 1 plot lmao.
@@Money_Mindset420 Wouldn't it be nuts though if there was a huge amount of Davey material that got cut by Rockstar because he was just too dark and interesting.
I'm not sure what you mean by that. He was already dead in the opening cutscene
@@ryanpulliam8987 was a sarcastic joke
Arthur’s high honor ending is so beautiful. Micah loses, Dutch sees the truth finally, and Arthur gets to die watching the sunset.
Then reincarnates into what I presume is a 24 point buck Jesus Christ.
Who's The 24 point buck jesus Christ
the buck symbolizes his height honor
it actually is a eagle which is weird if you go to his grave a eagle will be there and you cant shoot it nothing but if you have low honor its a coyote
@bastiat a buck is a male deer
@bastiat I know I'm a genius
This game is so well written it really feels like rdr2 was already done writing when they released rdr
I’m sure they had something very basic written but further developed it when making RDR2, like the fact that none of the other members except the ones John chases are mentioned in the first game
In a realistic stand point it’s just because they just weren’t created yet, but in a story point it’s probably because John sees “The Gang” and “His Friends” as two different groups of people and doesn’t wanna associate the good people like Arthur, Charles and Sadie(and the ones dead of course) with the likes of Micah, Bill, Javier and Dutch
the problem is arthur isn't mentioned once in rdr1
@@therampage5555 they explain that though very well in little dialogue as John in RDR2 wh n Jack brings up that Arthur saved them all. John says to Abigail he can talk about Arthur but it hurts. And in the dialogue with Jack kinda piece together he's ashamed that he wasn't the one to save his family and Arthur did.
I'd say that's pretty good for no mention of Arthur in the first game. RDR2 literally thought of almost every plot hole players would try to bring up.
@@zachkrueger3850 sure thats all true but still such an influential person would happened to get mentioned, if not by John or Jack, someone from the gang would
@@pokebag ngl I kinda liked Javier in rdr2
The actor of Javier actually wanted to side with Arthur and John, but the story makers didn't let him. So you can see in 8:07 that the actor (motion capture and voice) raised his gun because he didn't want to point his gun at Arthur and John, making Javier good and expanding his character.
He aims right at Arthur seconds later at the last second before it goes back to gameplay, but for some reason everyone ignores it
I love rdr because it takes the life of an outlaw and makes you realize that it isn't as romantic and fun as a lot of shows or games try to make it seem. It's brutal, wicked and evil and if you follow that path it will ruin you.
Well, Arthur's death if you go high honor path is a pretty cinematic death.
@@biscuit6302 Yes, but he still died slowly and painfully. I was crying when I watched him die.
Same for GTA 4
A bit like Goodfellas
nah the real wildwest is just about government vs indian
Damn, having never played RDR1, I never realized how many parallel scenes there were between the two games.
It was a great game in its own right but after RDR2 I can’t go back to it
i think theyre revamping rdr1
@@loopyprawn I still prefer 1. 2 was great, very realistic etc but it just doesn't have the same feeling. Rdr1 is pure nostalgia, amazing story, great gameplay, it has everything
i played rdr1 before rdr2 and i never got the whole story now im getting it… its crazy. when i played rdr1 for the first time on my xbox 360 i thought this is the best graphic ever… now if i look back its not so good anymore, but i mean it was released so many years ago so what can you acspect more. both games are such fantastic… altough nearly everyone died. sad.
@@taccomann4219 honestly now it's been enhanced on backwards compatibility on Xbox, it really looks great for a 2010 game still, actually looks better than RDR2 looks on the Xbox series consoles since they use such a shitty port of the game. Blows my mind.
So, we all agree Arthur’s low honor death is non-canon? Yeah? Okay. Cool.
I was playing RDR2 since year and half and first time I saw his low honour death.
No thats his death if you go back for the money, the honour changes if micah finishesh you off or lets you bleedout
It also changes the the cutscene you get after arthurs death, (Wolf = Low, Deer = High)
@@TriMs1 which death would you prefer M?
@@TriMs1 ah okay. i knew the wolf/deer part, but i’ve never chosen to go for the money so i didn’t know the other part
@@TriMs1 so it’s not canon then.
It’s a lot more easy to understand when you put them in order thank you
For me, John's death is the saddest one. Arthur's is dramatic, but after we discovered he had TB, everybody expected he was going to die. He was cursed.
After we kill Dutch in RDR1, everybody believed it was over, that John could finally join his family and live peacefully (more or less).
FACTS BRO I SAT THERE AND CRIED FOR 20 MINUTES STRAIGHT AFTER WATCHING JOHN DIE
John's death is undeserving, sure Ross already said "Your Father died becauss of his sin" To Jack. But Ross did him dirty
Meanwhile Arthur's death is definitely deserved, kinda like Walter White situation, where he finally able to legitimately redeem himself, and he died not from the pinkertons, not from Micah, not from anyone other than the TB which is a result of his sin to Thomas Downes.
I personally prefer Arthur's death since we already expected him to die but still managed to make us cry anyway. But John's death is one hell of a gut-wrenching moment in the entire franchise.
@Raylan Givens yup, that's the point icm trying to say. The differences between John's death and Arthur's
@@raylangivens7151he is at the showdown at beachers hope i don’t know why people think he isn’t after ross smoke his cigar the army is leaving beachers hope and you can clearly see archer it’s even the first person jhon aim automatically even if he doesen’t kill him
Nah. Without Arthur’s realization of Dutch’s madness, which happened before he knew he was dying, John never would have had a story to tell. Arthur gave everything to save people he cared about and had wronged. John was given a second chance and chose to still be a puppet. Arthur Morgan. RIP
The way John was breathing as he died was so heartbreaking. Just knowing it had to have been hell, especially knowing he couldn’t protect his family anymore. Even if it is just a video game……it was so emotional for me, especially the utter silence as he died.
Damn rockstar you really know how to make someone cry
They sure as hell do
they know how to create a game
they worked so hard as hell so HARD!!!
@@mysteriousgamer1066 They gave us all they had. 😂
Back then I idolize GTA franchise. But deymmmm RDR is my baby now 😭🥺🥺🥺🥺
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I'm a grown ass man still crying every damn time when I watch that scene.
All of these deaths had impacts in a different way. But for me John's death hit me the hardest. You just see him grow so much as a man from RDR2 to RDR1. And just to see him walk out of the barn and get shot up and stand there dying just is a gut wrenching sight for me. But Arthur's was depressing as well and Sean's was just a complete surprise that came out of no where.
"Now it don't feel right? I coulda told you tha-"
@@majik5194 Bro, I did not see the one coming. It was quick and brutal.
He died... still not knowing how to swim
@@TheBestPybro I know. I feel like he should've learned before he died.
I believe so too. It makes me sad because he tried to change for his wife and kid. Abigail didn't want anymore troubleand just wanted to grow old raising a ranch and a son but the moment John killed Micah that's when he screw it all over again.
Lenny is such an underrated character. Apparently he was supposed to be a lawyer or doctor or something, and especially during that time, he coulda really set up his family well. Got misled and killed bc of Dutch. Hits especially close to home
I don’t think Lenny would’ve had much opportunity considering he was black and the civil rights movement didn’t start until the 1950s or around there. He probably would’ve lived a secluded life especially since he was already a wanted outlaw since the age of 14 for killing his fathers killers
God how is he overrated, literally everyone always ''memes'' about him and acts like his interactions and missions were the best ever. If anything he is overrated, but its probably a bunch of SJW virtue signalling because he is the only black guy in camp
@@GLKHD seethe and cope
@@rudywilliams6538 but he's right tho, Lenny is one of the best side characters. Other than Sean.
@@TheBigCheesez I literally agree with you
Dutch’s pistols were silver early in the game but when you started to become more unhinged his pistols are black
Nice detail
I've noticed that they were silver but the can't just change black
I think he lost them in guarma so he got new ones?
I dont remember for sure but i think he had schoefield first then double action
Hosea was definitely about to have a Rick Grimes “we can all survive this” speech if Milton didn’t kill him. He didn’t expect to die that sudden and in that position. But all he ever wanted was Dutch and the gang to be safe. You can at least tell he was still gonna stand his and the gangs ground with death staring at him
Arthur's death was easily the most emotional but the best one is John's in my opinion. Went down with a gun in his hand protecting his family.
As a Arthur fan, i agree with you
The simbolism is literally the opposite tho? He let go off his weapon, becuz he didn't want to die as a gunslinger till the end, he let tbe past go even if it caught up to him. He didn't want to die with a weapon on his hand
@@parkyamato9450 and throughout the whole first game johns forced to be a gunslinger to save his family which is how he died
@@parkyamato9450 That doesn’t mean anything lmao he dropped the gun because he was literally shot up. If he didn’t want to go out like an outlaw he wouldn’t have opened fire before getting gunned down, he would’ve let them just shoot him there or take him in to hang him but he wanted to die a gunslinger which is why he drew on them and emptied his gun into the crown before dying
No its arthur>>>>
John’s death was probably the most heartbreaking for me, he did everything he could to keep his family in the end but got shot instead.
For me it’s hard to decide wich death is the most saddest between Arthur and John, Arthur only tried to keep everyone from dying only to get betrayed by Micah and left behind by Dutch, while John’s death was exactly what you said
Same here just the way he was still alive with 14 bullet holes in him he was still in pain before he fell to the ground and his family members saw it
@@liamrichardson4976 (depending on what you got with Arthur) but low honor on the mountain is worse in my opinion. Alone, Dutch betraying you, weak and staring into a gun barrel in your final moments, the one person you purely hate shooting you in the head and laughs afterwards. I'd prefer to go out in a blaze of glory like John..
@@sheepshaggah8776 yeah you got a point
@@Darkzen210 ahhhh no
Damn you can see the hatred in John eye's when he looked at Ross. He died not knowing his family safety
Yes,you can see the hate in his eyes,his pretty,brown,360 filled eyes
@@MrStylez-uu3dr yeah his 240p eyes
@@trombonetimmy1064 yes,and his amazing voice slithering away along with his soul