The Definitive Remakes: Pokemon Heartgold & Soulsilver Vs The Originals
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- Heartgold and Soulsilver are often heralded as some of the greatest Pokemon games by fans. What sets them apart from their originals?
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What do you think of Pokemon Heartgold and Soulsilver? Do they hold up?
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I think HGSS are two of the best games to date but I believe ORAS is just a little bit better
Their solid but definitely overrated imo
I've never played them but as a music maker they provide a great soundtrack.
They're the best games in the series imo, jam packed with various ways to play, amazing music, a whole second region, a great final boss, and lots of great content like pokeathlon, follow pokemon, pictures, etc.
HGSS are not only well-done remakes but some of the best Pokemon experiences, they hold up better than even the newer games.
All older pokemon games except gen 1 hold up better than post gen 5 games.
@@c0mpu73rguy it's probably the jump to 3d
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They would not have enough room for all of that !
@@gaylordcomic Probably, good 2d holds up better than bad 3d, the ps1 generation being the proof. I don’t mind that much since I grew up with it but oh boy are these games ugly compared to ps2 and later titles.
@@c0mpu73rguy that's not true as the 3DS games hold up well, so it would be post 3DS era. And gen 6 and gen 7 aren't ugly.
the absolute best parts about these games are having shiny pokemon follow you + the automatic running feature
Lmao who cares about swapped colors 🤡
@Zhongli shinies are worthless color swaps
@@HistoryandReviews who cares what you think 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
@@HistoryandReviews How dare you
@@HistoryandReviews exactly I don’t understand why people lose their minds over shines
As someone who swore GSC would be my favourite games forever, I am happy to say HGSS stole that spot. It's the perfect mix of staying true to the originals and nostalgia, while adding amazing new features and SO MUCH POLISH. So much effort is put in these games and it shows.
Damn sounds like ur clouded by nostalgia, hgss were my 1st games and i like them but there average at best like b tier
@@playmaker349 Im also clouded by nostalgia but HGSS were really good, and I say this as a Alola n°1 appreciator
@@ShinyShilla i mean everyone has a game which they r clouded by nostolgia with mine is mario and luigi partners in time
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The one thing holding this game back was Johto itself
If the actual mons from the gen were all in the region instead of (somehow) being in Kanto, and the Team Rocket plotline wasn't cut short so early, this could've been the definitive Pokemon experience
They’re so good they’re hard to find anywhere in the world today
Glad i still have my soulsilver with pokewalker
Yeah, because everyone who has a copy loves them too much to sell lol. I’m happy I still have SoulSilver and my pokewalker, but I wish I got HeartGold when I had the chance (I so badly want to do a nuzlocke but I don’t want to erase my original save file (especially all the special pokewalker locations I can never get back if I do).
@@Rika24 It’s still a bummer for people who had their games lost or stolen though
This is why I have a flash cart with roms for my 2DS 😉
(+@@vaporterra) True that. It hurts so badly. I wish I could buy Gen 4 games off Nintendo for the original hardware again.
My Pokémon Diamond game was snatched the same day I got it as a special present. Don’t get me wrong. I wasn’t careless. I still have my DS Lite. But, I was a defenceless kid.
I had to play Pokemon Pearl/Platinum that weren’t mine at the time instead. 🤦♂️If that wasn’t the case, I’d still play the game to this day. Probably with 999:59+ hours.
Along with og DP these games were peak nostalgia and held the true essence of Pokémon.
Plus the makers specifically said for gen 4 " we tried to stuff as much content as possible into these games to make them the best ever"
Quite the change since then when the makers say [we didnt think the consumers would spend time on this game so we didnt put much effort into it]
@@mesieurt2 they also said that gen 5 was the absolute peak, but fans were being stupid because of a dumb ice cream
@@magnus5747 I'm sick of people hating on unova just because it had some meh pokemon. It's not like unova is the only region with some bad mons
Oh yes daddy
@@magnus5747 when did they say that? People that disliked gen 5 didn't just dislike it because of the ice cream pokemon.
I'm 34 and have been playing Pokemon since RB. I can 100% say that HGSS was the greatest Pokemon experience for me, followed closely by the BW games. So many minor touches like the Pokathalon and Battle Frontiers make it replayable for ages!
I'am 30 and my First Pokemon Game was Gen 1 Blue but the Remakes of Gen 1 and 2, Emerald,Platinum and Black and White 2 we're my best Pokemon experience.
@@MasterofTheUniverse1337 - Black and White were amazing games for sure. I played the originals with 8-9 of my friends all getting the game at the same time. We all took the nostalgia trip together, and it made for some memorable times.
@@foxbear60 Nice my Friend👍🏻😁
10:38 I agree 100%. These reimaginings of characters are nice. Some of my favourites include:
Morty: Actually feels like a Ghost gym leader with the more ominous vibe. Really like the scarf.
Jasmine: A nice sort of upgrade from the GS design. I really like it for her.
Claire: I really like the lighter blue they went with for her outfit and that cape always rocks.
Pryce: He kinda went from bland old man to an old man with a cool coat and a sweet scarf.
Karen: She is FINE. She can *insert popular Karen trope* on me anyday.
Lance: It may have been small but it makes big difference. This is a man that gains your respect by just looking at him
Silver: Same with Lance when it comes to small changes doing big things. He just feels even smugger now which is really good for him.
Rocket Exects.: I love these redesigns. They went from generic to having their own identities. It was really good for them especially Proton. Love that hat.
Lt. Surge: This man evolved from a chad to an ultra chad. The sunglasses really work for him.
Blue: I like how mature he looks. Like he's gotten his life together after his loss and is chill with where he is now.
Really the only redesign I don't vibe with at all is Misty but I can see the appeal. Overall, my favourite redesigns in Pokemon remake history.
Still though, R.I.P Kris. Guess her design was too 90s to modernize like Ethan and his Caprise. I like Lyra better anyway, just sad they had to put the first female Pokemon protagonist down for like 20 years until Masters came and used a Max Revive on her.
Yeah, this game's redesigns/glowups are great. The ones that needed the most change (Morty, Pryce, the executives) got great updates and the rest remain just as good and memorable, probably even more than before. (Though ditching Kris altogether was a bit too harsh) In contrast, I'm personally not too keen on a few of the ORAS redesigns but I can say that this game handled this topic perfectly. Btw, the color of Jasmine's dress seen here doesn't match with what one can see in the game itself and even as recently as in Masters, there it's green instead of light blue.
@@KremBotop Ya the redesigns in ORAS were very hit or miss for me especially when they hit it out of the park so well here. There are still some good ones like Brawly, Maxie and Flannery just to name a few of the ones I like. And I went to check on the Jasmine fact and you're right. She does more of a green rather than her light blue character art. Even in Masters. That's interesting.
@@castform7 Wonder what JPR thinks of the Hoenn redesigns when he reaches ORAS though. And I suspect that the color change on Jasmine's dress was a late decision after the art was already made. Or maybe green came first for the sprites, then it was almost changed to light blue but in the end it they settled with just keeping it green. I once did a dress recolor in photoshop for quick comparison so check it out: imgur.com/a/LXv0B06 Btw, A TCG piece and her DP anime cameo features her with the light blue dress, but the green one is in any other recent appearance of her, possibly including BDSP if her cameos are kept. Hopefully we can battle her at some point if she returns.
@@KremBotop I think JPR will find them fine. There's nothing really super bad about most of the time. I think maybe the art came first and there might have been a bit of a mishap with the sprites to where it's more green then light blue but they just kinda rolled with it in every other appearance she made. It's not like most people would notice. I didn't until you pointed it out and I looked for myself. I do like the more accurate recolour though. Light blue, green. She looks great in both. I don't think we'll be able to tell if she has green or light blue in BDSP since everything's top down and chibi so the only way we'll know for sure is if we get a close up conversation with her or a battle. I'd like the battle cause it's always nice fighting a strong opponent. Maybe it could be for the HM she gives you (at least I remember her giving me an HM.)
@@KremBotop Official art in Pokemon seemingly feels like they're dull colored for some reason which is seen in Pokemon color textures - the anime and Let's Go and seemingly BDSP are using a "richer" color palette to me and I much prefer that approach than apparently copying Sugomori's lighting.
Collectively and individually, these two games have occupied more of my life than any other Pokémon game.
Fax most replayable games to me
Same
Yeah HGSS are my favorite remakes too
I agree, but ORAS was amazing too
@@MrMitchbow yeah ORAS is fine
@@MrMitchbow Oras was a garbage remake for very notable reason’s. The first reason is the absence of the best and hardest and biggest battle frontier and the second reason is because of the difficulty being too easy. The game was designed around the use of the exp share and Pokémon recieve way too much exp, not as much as X and Y but it still pretty bad. The AI in Oras for trainer was incredibly dumb, they also removed the fun and addictive Berry Machine mini game. The safari zone mini game was entirely removed. Rayquaza and Deoxy’s were shinylocked which is a huge shame considering the fact that they were able to be shiny hunted in the original’s like emerald. I do like the fact that they added mirage islands but it’s still terrible for the simple fact that they didn’t even bother adding in the Faraway island from emerald where you can encounter and shiny hunt mew. They removed the game corner entirely instead of adding it and doing what HGSS did where they replaced the slot machines with some mini game that can get you money. They didn’t even bother adding the Option to add the GBA sounds to listen to the GBA music and let us switch between the modern and old music. We got mega evolution way too early in the game and they gave us a mega legendary like Latios or Latias which’s breaks the game, thankfully they learned there lesson by adding mega evolution as a post game feature in the let’s go games instead of integrating it into the main games. Completing the Pokédex in oras was a huge mess due to the national dex needing to be completed to obtain the shiny charm, the removal of HM’s would have greatly benefited these remakes if they thought of this sooner. Some caves got shortened which is bad because if they made some of the caves as long as the originals then it would have been great for exploration. Oras did a lot of good things aswell but the removal of very major features and additions is what holds these games back completely. They are great games but terrible garbage remakes because they don’t live up to the standard set up by emerald. They improved upon the story from ruby and sapphire but the story of oras still fell flat because the story of emerald was arguably much better and it would have been better if they remade emerald instead of ruby and sapphire for the simple fact that ruby and sapphire’s story were pretty lame to begin with so improving upon ruby and sapphire isn’t even a huge achievement. Improving upon emerald’s story and adding tweaks to it would have been a much bigger improvement.
@@GodSlayer330 so it’s bad because it’s easier. Maybe I like easy. I was a fan of the collection aspect, it was never easier to catch em all and raise any Pokémon up to competitive status. ORAS is easily the best remake, despite its mistakes. But what Pokémon game has 0 mistakes?
@@MrMitchbow no, it’s definitely not the best remake it’s arguably one of the worst but it is one of the best Pokémon games just one of the worst remakes while the worst is the Let’s Go games. A lot of games makes mistake but the developers behind oras intentionally removed major fan favorite features and created very major mistakes and decisions that completely held back these remakes. A game doesn’t have to be perfect and doesn’t have to be flawless but it also can’t make huge Major Mistakes by intentionally removing fan favorite features. The issues in HGSS were really minor mistakes made by the developers. In oras it was a different story because they made tons of changes that truly didn’t need to happen and removed a decent chunk of the huge major amazing aspects that people actually loved and respected about emerald. That’s why I believe Fire red and Leaf Green is much better of a remake to gen 1 then Omega ruby and alpha sapphire is to emerald. I think HGSS were arguably leagues beyond better then omega ruby and alpha sapphire because HGSS incorporated a lot of things from gold and silver but it also incorporated all or most things from crystal within the post game. HGSS improved upon the story a bit and HGSS also added a lot of quality of life improvements and a lot of things we didn’t know we wanted until we got it, HGSS also had a ton of new original content which is original to the remakes itself and was never present in gold,silver and crystal like the Sinjoh Ruins which connects to Arceus and Connects to Sinnoh and HGSS added a customizable safari zone which was never done before and adding a time travel celebi. I think The remakes of diamond and pearl could definitely surpass omega ruby and alpha sapphire if done correctly. Even if the diamond and pearl remakes don’t contain features like mega evolution; I honestly don’t think mega evolution is even necessary to make the diamond and pearl remakes surpass omega ruby and alpha sapphire. Diamond and pearl were arguably leagues beyond better then ruby and sapphire from a gameplay perspective and a map perspective. I would argue ruby and sapphire had a much better story then diamond and pearl but I am pretty sure the story will be fixed incredibly well in the diamond and pearl remakes since brilliant diamond and shining pearl are remakes of diamond and pearl which far surpass ruby and sapphire and I think the diamond and pearl remakes will naturally surpass omega ruby and alpha sapphire in a lot of regards because they are remakes of much better games then ruby and sapphire, besides that; the story in platinum was incredibly well done so it wouldn’t surprise me if they merged some of the platinum story elements into the diamond and pearl remakes while making it about dialga and palkia instead of giratina like in platinum. I think the diamond and pearl remakes could easily surpass Fire Red and Leaf Green and Omega Ruby And Alpha sapphire. I think the diamond and pearl remakes could also surpass HGSS but I personally doubt it will with masuda’s current game philosophy but I do still believe the diamond and pearl remakes will come somewhat close to surpassing HGSS and may be a top 5 game if handled correctly in a lot of aspects. If it’s handled correctly in almost every aspect then it could surpass HGSS and potencially Platinum. I think brilliant diamond and shining pearl will have a lot of new content and a lot of new things added to the game to make it well worth the purchase according to a highly credible leaker called samus hunter who has made accurate leaks before. I get that the art direction of the diamond and pearl remakes may rub people the wrong way but I do like the way the lakes looks in this game and the way the snowy areas look in this game so I strongly believe some areas will look much better then others in these remakes of diamond and pearl. But I think if the games have the amount content to back it up then I can get past the bad art direction but I personally kind of like the chibi art direction they took with these games because I believe some areas will geniunely look much better then others in these remakes.
hgss are masterpieces 👌
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what’s the hype about them? they still have the same issues as GSC but with following mons and more post game
@@killax5628 The videos already said it - despite it's issues they had so many things to make the games more interactive and fun, unless you're the type of player so focused on the main story, that you won't be able to fully unlock its potential, when IMO the main story is only a small portion of playing Pokemon games.
@@zjzr08 postgame is important but it’s additional, HGSS’s main story is almost unplayable tbh i can barely get through the game because of the level curve and on top of the story being nonexistent and the useless gen 2 mons, they added more evolutions to the old mons just for them to be post game, if HGSS was released in the modern era of pokémon it would be hated on.
HGSS will always we be timeless Pokémon games and among the best in the franchise because of how much heart and soul was put into them just like the originals. The originals have many flaws, but like you said, the remakes fix a ton of them. They blend old and new perfectly and make it basically a completely fresh Johto experience the way ORAS & LGPE made their respective regions a brand new experience than the originals.
HeartGold was so amazing to play. I’ve been playing through it again and have been hit with some amazing 2010 nostalgia.
9:39 HGSS gave you both autonomy and nonautonomy actually. The Kimono girls would lead and summon the mascot legendary as part of the story line but then the player would have to go and discover the other by themselves. It was a good mixture.
10:22 You can enter the elevator in Silph Co if you have Rotom. It takes you to a room with the appliances to change Rotom's form.
11:46 Unfortunately, you don't get the GB sounds until the end of the game. It's actually impossible to hear the 8 bit version of team rocket battle theme without hacking because the organization disbands before you get the item.
To defend Johto's tendency towards Gen 1 Pokemon, here's what I have to mention. For one thing, all the gyms use types that didn't have any in Kanto, so they at least have that newness to them. Most importantly though, back in Gen 2 there was no such thing as a regional dex, just a reordered "New Pokedex," so it makes sense that the game didn't make a point of showing off all the new Pokemon. This was the first time new Pokemon and old would appear in the same game; modern expectations of how that should should have been handled couldn't have applied.
I will say the Flying Gym should probably be late game at the very least, we already see so much of Pidgey and Hoothoot's line early game, it can get stale seeing it again in the first, hehe.
I know right, those people are like the ones that hate Sonic Adventure for lacking the boost formula.
Gen 2 was supposed to be more of a sequel than a standalone region.
The problem is this is the REMAKE of the OGs, it is less excusable here than it was in the when GSC released. This is a very half-baked excuse at best
Exactly “the gym leaders didn’t have enough gen 2 pokemon” is absolute nit picking
@@killhouse6130 thats not nitpicking, that is honestly a genuine criticism. Like hell, the Kanto leaders have more Johto pokemon than the Johto leaders
Heartgold amd Soulsilver are my absolute favorite pokemon games ever and I still haven't explored their entire content yet! I definitelly plan on playing these games again soon
Thank you for dropping new content man, it’s always a pleasure
Thanks for watching!
@@JPRPokeTrainer98 Unique and intresting content to add, not just the same recycled stuff over and over again.
I disagree with the point about wobbuffet early in the video. It's actually one of the best pokemon in the game arguably. If it survives a hit, then you win. It's extremely useful on any team.
That's a huge if. Wobbuffet is cool but there are more consistent Pokémon to select from
I'm still baffled that houndour and murkrow are found in kanto and growlithe and vulpix in johto.
Regarding evolutionary stones, I would put a fire stone in burned tower (but in a place that requires strength), a thunder stone at olivine lighthouse, a leaf stone at azalea forest (in a place that requires surf) and a water stone at one of the caves, maybe in slowpoke well. it feels balanced to me, and that way we can train pokemon like victreeble, vileplume, arcanine, ninetales, jolteon, flareon and vaporeon without doing pokeathlon or waiting until post game
As unbelievable as this may sound, I think the reason they didn’t put the evolutionary stones until post game was because they wanted people to evolve Eevee into Espeon or Umbreon, & to evolve their Gloom into Bellossom with a Sun stone instead of into Vileplume. It’s a stupid & petty reason, but I don’t see why else they would have done that.
One time I rounded up all the gym leader rematches at once for a final boss rush. Even knowing where and when to find them all and when to call them, it was not a fun process... The boss rush itself was at least fun after I finished the hours (yes, hours) setting it up.
Best pokemon games full stop. Loads of routes and really feels like you are exploring.
Catching my Lapras (one of) in that cave on a Friday, catching my Sableye via the Professor Oak radio, doing the bug contest on Tuesdays to get a Shiny stone for Togekiss...
Getting the level 1 Giratina at Sinjoh ruins (use the wide event method in Platinum & transfer Arceus).
By far the best Pokemon games for me, if only they made this on a sun & moon engine.
I think you hit nail on the head. Ironically, it's the heart and soul that's in these games, that makes the huge difference.
Gen 6 onwards feel shallow and lacking something, despite all games having some great things, no other pokemon game feels this complete.
Remember when Gamefreak went the extra miles? Pepperidge farm remembers.
The johto games are great, but they have 2 giant problems: they don’t focus on johto and grinding sucks. Even though it’s in another region, these games are treated more as kanto games. Just look at the gym teams. No skarmory, sneasel, hoothoot, or ariados? Seriously?
In the grinding section, why can’t I rematch trainers until team rocket is defeated? It doesn’t make any sense.
And thats two reasons why I dont like the gen 2 games. Dont forget Jotho isypretty small and bland and the Future Kanto is still just badge collecting
what most people out of Japan forget/don't know, is that up until gen 3 the "lore" of pokemon was that the pokemon world is the real world but where pokemon where relatively recently discovered (like a century ago) and where myths and legends functioned largely like they do in the real world but with modern science suggest that most have a pokemon origin. Within that context GS makes a LOT more sense, it becomes more "we found more pokemon species in in this other region and we found more in Kanto as well" rather than the modern view of "these are Johto pokemon". Pokemon like Houndour and Houndoom are Kanto pokemon that where discovered within the timespan between RBY and GSC, rather than being Johto pokemon, within the original pokemon lore. It also explains the new pokedex, rather than the regional dex's and gym leader and just the general lack of new pokemon in Johto.
And on top of that explains the original goal the professors gave you, record and collect the new pokemon. Rather the dex in modern games functioning more like a wikipedia page of known species within the context of lore.
@@relo999 Good point!
They could've had an Ice Rock in Ice Path and a Moss Rock in Ilex Forest or Viridian Forest, or both.
They also could’ve let eevee evolve into glaceon and leafeon in those areas respectively
@@tejasgokhale7783 That were their implications...
Maybe also a magnetic field in mt moon to evolve magneton into magnezone
The GB Sounds is such an underrated feature
Evolution stones are in Crystal (one of the few reasons I prefer Crystal to G/S and the remakes are the superior version) however its hard to evolve stone Pokemon, because aside from Cloyster they don't get good moves to take advantage of, this is most notable with poor Starmie who doesn't get a good move other than Surf (unless you invest TMs in Blizzard and Thunder) Arcanine is usable though.
I also don't agree on the "Only use starter, Ampharos and Red Gyarados" thing at least not fully, because you can still use mons that hold up well in the experience, any mon you get from the Odd Egg (especially if its a Cleffa, Smoochum or Elekid) are highly useful in their evolutions. Especially Smoochum! There's also Espeon/Umbreon, despite Espeon's lack of coverage outside of stab you can still work with Bite and Hidden Power. Plus the game is scaled in a way where getting by with its stab isn't a huge issue.
Crystal kind helps the stone issue because you can get them during the main adventure you have access to more mons like Cloyster and Vaporeon (who are much more viable options than Gyarados because of Gyarados's atrocious special stat. Tbh outside of Goldeen, Horsea and Marill lines literally any other water type line are better use in terms of utlity over Red Gyarados, who tbh isn't that great in Gen 2) while I do think the restriction issue is a problem, I don't think its as bad, at least when you consider Crystal Version. I'm also surprised people don't add Crobat on the list of unusable mons in Gen 2, because until Gen 3 Crobat was pretty subpar, it couldn't even use Sludge Bomb or Shadow Ball.
I have never played a remake but i like the idea of Pokémon following you in hgss
U forgot to mention the pokemon following u! Yes I know Yellow did it with Pikachu and another let your starter follow u in a special area (can’t remember exactly, Platinum maybe) but it’s the only game u could have ANY pokemon follow u. Even Let’s go Eevee and Pikachu limit u to Kanto only. I hope this feature returns in future games because I miss it.
In dp and platinum some pokemon could follow you in amity square but was more limited in dp as in platinum was when you could walk with your starter at any stage as they were not able to in dp. In let's go you can actually walk with Meltan and Melmetal too who are gen 7 pokemon. Briefly in gen 5 you can walk around a Mienfoo in B2W2. Finally, we must not forget that we can walk with pokemon once again in Sword and Shield in the Isle of armor and Crown Tundra. I'm hoping it continues in the dp remakes even if it is just in Amity Square but at the same time I'm hoping we can in legends arceus too!
@@PkmnTrainerEmerald they have hacks that enable Pokémon to follow you for Platinum
I love the pokathelon, we need more side areas like that with pokemon doing more than just battling.
Like pokestar and contests too
me throughout gen5-6: "all the things that hinder HGSS from true greatness are tied to being too faithful to the originals"
me after ORAS comes out: "...sure they're less faithful in the sense that there's more original stuff added... but the parts that ARE faithful were with the completely wrong approach (using the outdated/inferior Ruby&Sapphire that Emerald already spent an entire games worth of development to improve), and adding new stuff on top of that just made the misguided approach (IMO) even more jarring... HGSS were great times ):"
me when Sinnoh gets confirmed: "oh no, please even just slightly surpass my worst nightmare expectations and include the Platinum Sinnohdex x_____x"
i agree oras sucked
Im sure you were disappointed upon BDSP being far too faithful to diamond and no platinum QOL updates or content. Underground buffs are meh but do enough to beef up the team u can make in them but does nothing to fix the gym leaders having crap types(fire gym having only 2 fire types)
And you even forgot to go into detail for Contests, Pokéathlon, following Pokémon, special new events like Legendaries and Steven Stone gifting a Gen 3 starter, the best Safari Zone of the series, the Voltorb minigame outside Japan... I can go on.
13:14 definitely agree you on that. Honestly Johto is super overrated imo because of how much it relies on Kanto. The only reason Game Freak was so ambitious with Gen 2 was that they thought it would be the end of the Pokémon franchise as a whole
As far as I know, generation 2 is seen as the worst older generation, I do not know who overrates them.
@@galactwicderinstabile I think he means gen 2 is overrated because it includes a run through kanto aswell and not just rating jotho individually.
@@CHRISrnbWORLD If it would be that, I would still disagree, but see the point. Thank you for explaining ^^
@@galactwicderinstabile Just interested. Why would you say it's still the best even if kanto wouldn't be there?
@@CHRISrnbWORLD Well, I certainly hate the gen 1 games as wel as the starters, due to charizard getting so much attention and never really felt the gen 3 games. It has more to do with the gen 2 pokémon, though I do adore how gret hg/ss are. So I guess personal preferences and gen 1 and 3 getting way more love.
I think the reasoning for lack of gen 2 Pokémon in gen 2 is because they were billed as newly discovered Pokémon instead of the Pokémon always been here like newer gens. My theory is JoHto probably had the same dex as kanto for a while until gen 2 Pokémon started popping up. Hence why most are so rare
Here’s hoping BDSP will at least take some aspects from HGSS like sprinkling in Platinum content or updating the NPCs movepools
I worry they'll be more like fire and leaf and be too literal.
My fears and current prediction is that they won't update anything at all. It'll be a watered down game
Just look at Barry for example, he runs into you and they didn't even bother to animate any collision
Honestly we didn't even need to get BDSP. Just a single platinum remake
Honestly, this whole double version thing needs to stop. It has no purpose anymore, and just gives us watered down experiences that cost more money
Shuckle does not suck, that thing is an absolute tank!
I Believe the best remakes are Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire because they improved so much from Ruby Sapphire and Emerald. Like the delta episode the great storyline mega evolution and so much more. The only flaw with ORAS I can think of is the lack of a battle frontier but I quickly got over that
I agree and disagree with you, hgss had crystal features (and had a great postgame) but oras lacked any emerald features. But oras fixed a lot of problems the originals had and had every future evo (gen 4-6 evos of gen 1-3 pkmn in the pokedex).
@@jemas4918 Not to mention Oras also dumb down the difficulty from the original despite adding in stuff like Megas. but I still liked it for the changes it did
I never played ORAS. I didn't like Ruby, Sapphire & Emerald all that much. So will ORAS make the Gen alot easier to play?
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"Hardly any other Pokémon bring anything substancial to the table."
*looks at my Eevee getting a haircut during the daytime* Don't listen to the bad man, Dawn.
The best play through with the most fun things to do
My first game was Soul Silver, and I got up to the Suicune static in Kanto, where I handed the DS to my twin sister to play. She deleted my save because she wanted to save her game... needless to say 8 year old me wasn’t happy lol.
I personally have more fun playing the original gen 2 games than the remakes. The reason I feel that way is because I take the lack of amazing Pokémon to use as a challenge so it felt very rewarding to finally put the pieces together and create a great team; especially because I didn’t allow myself to use any Pokémon from my Pokémon gold play through or any gen 1 Pokémon. I also played Pokémon stadium which really adds to gold, silver, and crystal (there are tons of people who sing that games praises so if your interested I recommend you find someone who can dive much deeper into it than I could). With all that said, I do have a lot of respect for what HHSS did, I would sing its praises but you just watched a great video all about it.
I wish the more recent pokemon remakes were like Heartgold and SoulSilver. 😫☹️
Just happened across your channel recently and have been enjoying your content. And suddenly you got a video for my favorite games! I love it. Keep up the good work king
What about having every pokemon follow you including if they are shiny. That experience was phenomenal. I loved finding out my swinub felt nervous in the ice cave despite being an ice type. And other things like that
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about the phone calls
you don't have to wait for them(a myth everyone thinks)
you can straight up call them for a rematch and fight them over and over again at the times they're available, so while it does act as a bandaid to the leveling, it doesn't fix the level curve
tldr:they implemented the vs seeker into the pokegear and it's a garuanteed match too
infinite money, vitamins, and evolution stones
I never found grinding to fight Red hard to do. I always enjoyed getting to level 100
Well, if you evolve Eevee at night, you get a dark type. It's the only dark type you can get before going to Kanto, but its there.
Well, Vaporeon, Flareon and Jolteon are not dark type
And you can use an evolution stone on Eevee at night
@@zeteq6766 I... Umbreon??
But no Glaceon...
Thanks to me having access to Platinum alongside this game I was able to get some evolutions for a playthrough I otherwise wouldn’t have a chance to get in a Johto playthrough like I was able to use Scizor, Electivire, Magmortar, Togekiss, Mismagius, Weavile, Houndoom, Gliscor, and Rhyperior which helped make the playthroughs more fun cause the teams felt unique
I really really wish Gen2 remakes were made with the gen5 engine instead.
That would be nice
HGSS check almost every box you’d want in both a Pokémon main series game in general and a Pokémon remake specifically. Plenty of main story and post game, gym leader remakes, side quests, mini games, and successful incorporation of newer Pokémon.
Thank you for giving gen 2 some love
I’m so thankful I never got rid of my legitimate copies of HGSS. Silver was the first Pokemon game I ever played, so Johto has a special place in my heart. I restart HeartGold often for shiny hunting reasons, and my SoulSilver has a completed National Dex.
I loved Gold, Silver and Crystal; I love HeartGold and SoulSilver just as much if not more.
This is how you do a proper remake. Updating the game's graphics, story, and adding new elements that were never in the originals
Kinda sad that Gamefreak forgot about this and it's really obvious in BDSP as they seem to be removing things rather than adding.
… lmao BDSP literally added: Following Pokémon anywhere, platinum dex, access to Pokémon that were post game on main game, character customization
@@ilngsisfh I’m looking forward to playing BDSP. But for now besides the platinum dex there’s no signs of any of platinum’s content unfortunately. I don’t want Platinum to still be the definitive way to play through Sinnoh after BDSP releases.
I couldn't even get through the entire video before i found my favorite part.
Witney has a johto pokemon and it's very well documented...
UNDERSTATMENT OF THE YEAR!
To think there's no Mareep in Crystal... Enjoy hoping to get the Elekid egg
The reason I believe why only a handful of gen 4 evolutions are in the regional dex (5: Mammoswine, yanmega, tangrowth, ambipom and lickilicky) is because those chosen have one thing in common: to get those evolutions, their pre-evolution need to learn a specific move. My guess is that they wanted to be as faithful as they could with the structure of the regional dex, but didn't want to do like in FRLG by preventing their evolution if they learned the required move, so they compromised by adding those five only to the regionlal dex since you could potentially get them during the main story.
I 100% agree with all your „complaints“ about these games
They’re still amazing of course but these make me choose platinum or gen 5 over HGSS when replaying a Pokémon game
Same. I will always have an soft spot for these games. But I rather play Platinum or the Gen. 5 games over HGSS. Even though Platinum is slower, has overabundance of HM'S and some difficultly curve at the end that I despise, I still can have an easier time there than I did with and the level curve isn't as bad as Gen. 2 was IMO.
@@jaretco6423 exactly!
It's the Gen 4 game I think I'd go back to vs Sinnoh which I could just watch the anime
Why is going to the anime a substitute☠️☠️
@@popnpets8022 cause it's where the region really shines sorta similar case for Kalos as well when speaking about Sinnoh
Yup same for me. When the anime was airing, I actually didn't have a ds so I never played the games until the last few months in gen 4 where I got ss for Christmas and platinum in January before the shiny beast events. While Sinnoh was fun it was certainly better the anime for me and ss was so much better in terms with content and other factors.
@@PkmnTrainerEmerald I played a Sinnoh game (Platinum) for first and second time last year and- while the game was very good- the region just sort of felt “meh”. Just not very memorable with a few notable exceptions. I can barely remember any of the town names even as the game just rushed you from gym to gym with no incentive to linger. Contrast this to HG/SS and B&Y where the world has so much more character and feels more “lived in”.
My favorite pokemon game to this date, and in my top 5 RPGs and most loved games overall. stellar graphics for the time, loads of content, great difficulty level, battle frontier included in the post game after a freaking another region with so many caves to explore with waterfall and rock climb... really, the only thing I would change is putting some johto mons earlier in the game, like houndour or misdreavus, instead of putting them in kanto and scatter some evolution stones - like a fire stone at burned tower for example, so we can get motivated to try different teams without relying on pokeathlon or post game areas. but aside from that, an amazing game. the only games in the franchise that can give it some proper competition over first place are black 2 and white 2, which share lots of the same great things these games had. pokemon at its finest
Grinding is simple as hell just hit the elite 4
I love the photo feature with the Gym leaders
I’ve always had a soft spot for gen 2. At my 8th birthday I got Pokémon silver version and a gameboy color. Now I’m 30 and still love Pokémon as a series. Maybe it’s nostalgia but I do still think it’s the best generation yet
Wooooo my childhood is here! (I'm actually the first generation)
IMO Heart Gold and Soul Silver are by far the best Pokémon games there’s so much to do, there’s an extremely large Pokémon roster to catch and choose from, everything looks really good, the music is good the whole game is very good.
Alright, you got me, I’ll subscribe.
Yeah I will say that these games while not perfect certainly has a lot for anyone looking to play though johto once again. The only bad part is that we sadly have lost some options like the wifi capabilities. Oh I feel like you should have talked about how it came with the pokewalker!! That was one of the best additions these games brought!
I remember soul silver quite fondly but don’t also don’t rush back to play it the way I do kanto, hoenn, sinnoh, and unova games
They should make a remake of Pokémon heart gold for the switch!
Great video series; looking forward to hear your thoughts on ORAS, the remakes of the games that got me into the series :3
I hope whoever came up with GB Sounds got a nice big bonus 👌
Can we please also acknowledge the GREATEST FEATURE about HG&SS?? WALKING WITH YOUR POKÉMON!! Not so uncommon in the newer games but back in 2010 we hadn’t gotten to walk with our badass best friends since Yellow!!
After watching Pokemon Challenges take on Gen 2, it made me realize how much the Johto remakes benefited from modern mechanics
Let's count the things I learn in this game that I've put 200 hours in out of this video...
1. Can rematch gyms
2. Can get gym leader phone numbers
3. Battle between player/silver and lance/Clair
4. Has gameboy music
I get that people don't have access during the playthrough to some Pokémon but am I the only one who TRADESS?
I used to trade as a kid. I think that’s how it was intended. Not everyone had friends, or multiple systems/games to trade with, so it’s understandable
I don't have friends to trade with lol
@@Josue-wj2uf You could trade online.
@@ZehnWaters i dint have the best internet connection in 2010, the UI for online trading in gen 4 was ass and I was also a dumb 10 year old lol. Real question tho can you still online trade in gen 4? I'd be down for another HGSS playthrought if the servers are still up
@@Josue-wj2uf Oh, that's fair.
IMO
1. Platinum
2. Heart Gold Soul Silver
3. Black/White 2
4. Emerald
5. Leaf green/Fire Red
For me the biggest problem was the overreliance to Kanto. Without Kanto stuff, GS would feel like Johto team Rocket. A Torchic without a head. It didn't stand on it's own. The Johto Pokemon that weren't the starters, Amphoros or Quagsire sucked or were postgame, the Gym leaders used a bunch of Kanto Pokemon cause the Pokemon from their region sucked and the entire appeal of the postgame was going to a watered down version of Kanto. Thankfully, HGSS rectifies most of these problems along with a few other problems GS had. It feels like what GS was trying to achieve but y'know....they actually did it this time (except the whole Gym leader thing but we have rematches so I'll somewhat let it slide. Somewhat.) While they do still have a couple of flaws especially with leveling -it's abismol-, HGSS is a very good remake that fixes some problems and adds a few new things too.
Never played the remakes yet but I do have the emulators though Gonna get around too playing these when I finish up Black 2
If it wasn’t for Crystal and Soul Silver, I probably wouldn’t be playing Pokemon games today. Very fortunate to have grown up with those games!
my favorite feature from HGSS is the always run button. its the most underrated feature of all of pokemon. i hate riding bikes bc they change the music
Trying to get through SS right now. What a chore to get through.
The director of HGSS himself played the original GS as a child and wanted them to be as great as possible by recapturing the spirit of the Gen 2 games while adding on so much. He stated in interviews that the team got greedy with adding in so much content into these remakes as physically possible.
Still waiting for Johto remakes on Switch.
Gamebiy Version of Gen2 Surf Music is probably the best ost of Pokemon ever!
Haven’t watched the video yet. I’ve been playing Pokémon since Red and Blue first released. While I do very much enjoy HGSS, I think my favorite remakes thus far are FireRed and LeafGreen (my favorite games overall are Emerald, followed by Platinum). Let’s see if this video changes my mind.
Didn’t change my mind, but hey, they’re still great games. 👍
I like all pokemon remakes, but HGSS takes the cake. ORAS made a modern and fun way to experience hoenn, but dropped some things like the battle frontier and the difficulty level. FRLG improved everything over red and blue and became the defenitive version, but didnt add all that much. HGSS not only made johto more modern (the special physical split of gen 4 was a life saver) and became the ultimate edition, it also added so much more to the table on top of that
I have a love/hate relationship with these games. I agree that these are the most content rich, fleshed out games in the main series but the lack of quality team building just kills it for me. I get the most fun in building a cool team of pokemon I never used before but in these I always find myself using Typlosion, Red Gyarados, Amphoros and Lugia/Ho-Oh. Its the main reason why I've played XY more times than these ones. Even though XY are objectively not good, there's so much variety in team building that no two playthrough feels the same (asuming you ditch the OP kanto starter mega and mega lucario).
I appreciate the faithfulness to the originals, but I think for the sake of replay value and modernizing the games they should have massively reworked the availabilty of pokemon in the regional dex. I'd even be ok with adding gen 3 and 4 pokemon but I know that fans of the ogs would have not liked that.
With things like Kanto added, I think the replay value is that you shouldn't consider the main story as the main dish, but more as the appetizer - and with Battle Frontier at the very least, it is IMO.
Joseu. I understand. I like having to built an team with an mixed of good type coverage and many numbers of the other variety type wise; whether if there new or old Pokemons. Most likely an new ones. But don't have an problem with old ones coming back either just as long as the selection and variety to the mixed works well. I have an problem with that since Gen. 2 and wasn't until Gen. 5 and onwards where they got it perfectly. Even with the first Black & White game that only focus on newer Pokemons before postgame. And even though I know the 3D ones aren't as good as I hope it'll be, I'll give them credit for adding more number variety mixed into the Pokemons that I still hope it continues.
What i can remember is in lavender town the music scared me and in cinnabar island in hgss i kinda feel sad listening to its song slow as I remember how it was on Pokemon red
The only main series game I haven't played yet. Hard to come by and the ones out there are expensive buys. Totally worth it I'm sure
will you make a video like this about gen3 remakes? great work mate!
This is my favorite series you’ve ever done. HGSS really may be the best Pokémon has and will ever be
No. Not in the slightest, there are way better games from pokemon
@@Acacius1992 go on...
@@smgric6853 Platinum i think is better.
The problem for me simply is even Hg/ss improve in things and got some things i wish they would come back (Pokeathlon and Walking pokemon for example) the flaws i disliked in g/s/c still there
@@Acacius1992 Platinum, HG/SS and B2/W2 are probably the most complete games in the series, tho not my favorites
Here's my opinion
Emerald and Platinum the best enhanced versions
HeartGold and SoulSilver the best remakes
And Black 2 and White 2 the best sequels
I can agree to that. Except I would take out Emerald as best enhanced version and stick Platinum in there. But that's just me.
these two were my first pokémon games :)
Hey dont sleep on jumpluff. It gets leech seed, sleep powder, both aminisia and cotten guard, u-turn, synthisis and more. I used sleep powder, leech seed, bullet seed and synthisis and it kicks ass.
I have a Slugma in HeartGold right now ! You say it’s “unattainable” but that’s not right. You have to speak to Primo & give him the right phrases. I have all 8 secret PC wallpapers & the 3 secret eggs. One of which is a Slugma.
DS pokemon was Peak Pokemon
Yep. Except Diamond & Pearl. That one sucks. But that is why Platinum is an thing. So yeah.
Hgss would have been so much better being remade on the switch. So much more potential
Its one of the best pkmn remake game I ever played. There are a lot events to explore like I thought battling red is the ending of the game but its not. And those events are not just fan service but its actually part of the story which is interesting.
Most of Johto's lack of Johto pokemon was due to story reasons. All these new pokemon can't just appear out of nowhere. We should have seen them in the previous game! In order to explain that away, the new pokemon were advertised through NPCs in game, in real world advertisements, and in game magazines as pokemon that are super rare, which explains why you haven't seen them before. This means they all need to be hard to get!
Nice video man, you make pretty fair content and it's clear you put a lot of effort in
Also I just realized we go to the same school so that's pretty cool
at least they address it in the rebattles but yeah, the johto gym leaders teams could be way cooler/more authentic