I made a small list of available new CPU's 5600x = Excellent 5800x = Best gaming chip to pair with 3080 or 6800xt 5900x = Great Value for productivity and compiling 5950x = Not Bad but expensive 10400f = Great value and best among all intel options 10600k = Good enough for gaming 10700k = Excellent value for gaming right noe. Just $30 more than 5600x but has 2 extra cores. 10900k = Yikes bad value. Just get the 5900x for the same price 3600, 3100 and 3300x = Still the budget kings i3 10100 = Just don't buy it. Athelon 3000G = Best for non-gaming / multimedia PC Ryzen 3 3200G/ 4200G = Great if you don't have money for a dedicated GPU right now and would be getting one in near future. Ryzen 5 3400G/4400G = If gaming is your only priority get the Ryzen 3 APU. Ryzen 7 4700G = Yikes good luck getting one.
the cool thing about the higher core count CPUs is that you can disable a few cores with Ryzen master to optimize for higher gaming performance and re-enable them at will for whenever you actually need that extra power. Not only does that save on your energy bill along with undervolting, but it also increases the longevity of the cpu since its not wasting power on cores that are barely being utilized when gaming
@@BigMan7o0 yes actually it does. when you have less cores to power you can get more performance out of the ones that are active but whether or not it will use less power is depending on how high the clock speeds of the activated cores are. with my 5900X in 12c/24t mode I can barely reach 4.8ghz on all cores with the voltage unlocked and even with full power draw. But when I disable 6 or 8 cores, I was able to get the clock speed up to 5.1ghz and could possibly go higher if I tried. Your motherboard also plays a factor as well though.
When the 1800X first launched I was looking at my 4790K, enjoying it, while I dreamt of mainstream processors being a reality some day with 12 or 16 cores and high single core performance. When I saw the 5900X launch I knew that day had come, using the 5900X with a 3080 now and I feel like the luckiest guy on the planet. Match made in heaven.
I think this has made me realize i dont need the 5950. I mean, i do a lot of microscopy and data analysis, as well as 4k and vr gaming, but the extra little oomoh doesnt seem worth it
I found a dirt cheap 5900x in the UK for £215 a few months ago. Paired it with a 3080. It's nice not needing to worry about performance for literally anything I would personally be doing. More than happy to wait for the 8000 series and the 5000 series products from their respective companies in a couple of years.
That is pretty sweet. I also got hold of a R9 5900X for £207 yesterday, replacing my R9 3900X. I've been holding out upgrading to Zen 3 for a few years, but now when a good deal popped up I had to try.
Great discussion regarding productivity benchmarks. It seems to me that higher sustained all-core clocks are more important when choosing between 12 and 16. 12 is plenty enough.
Sustained clocks are fixed by raising PPT, TDC and EDC limits. Mine sustains 4.7Ghz in all but the most extremes 32 thread workloads, prime95 32 threads is what clocks down to 4.3 Ghz
@@rip.tear. I love hardware unboxed but they didn't give any number on 1440p only 1080p. Well I bought and installed a 5600x, so it doesnt really matter anymore. But still I don't get why most people only compare in 1080p when a large part of the community plays in 1440p.
Hmm... tempting to wait for the eventual 5900XT refresh before Zen 4 drops. Sounds like that will pretty much be the best CPU for my needs that I can drop in my socket AM4 board.
As much as I loved and still love my 6700K, I never knew editing 32.5mp photos in Lightroom would be so intensive on the CPU and especially working with many layers and profiles across multiple photos. Gaming is ok for the most part, but I think 5-6 years is a good lifespan, so perhaps the 5900x and 32GB of ram will be the next system for me.
Why I got the 5600x gets a couple less frames half the price and stays cool at 4.3GHz steady with AIO. Bigger isn't always better. Love the video definitely get a sub from me.
I would love to see the latency ccx comparsions for gaming of the improvement of input delay. Gaming.Gaming.Gaming. More emphasis on gaming. More IPC. Love the competition!
@@dubya85 That might not do anything good at all depending on your cooling and/or what the motherboard actually does. They have a tendency to already give it more juice. PBO on my 3600xt on a B550 I-Gaming does nothing at all lol. But it runs at 4.4 all core anyway so don't care..
A good thing to consider is total cost of ownership, a 5950x will resale for more than a 5900x recovering some and maybe all of the $250 difference on the other end. Historically i7 have resold for the price difference new over an i5, costing $0 more to have gotten the i7 over an i5 after resale, upgrading past 3-4 years the resale difference starts to shrink. So far Ryzen CPUs have followed this same trend, the resale difference between 2 CPUs is very close to the MSRP difference. As an example: A new $400 I7 vs $300 i5, when you sell them 2 years later the I7 is now $300 and the I5 $200, both cost the same $100 to own for 2 years.
The main issue with the 5800 is it's current MSRP. It's at least $50 overpriced in relation to the other 5000 SKUs. If it was USD399 or less that would make much more sense. But at USD449 you may as well pay the extra $100 to get an increase in cores by 50% with the 5900. Where as atm you are paying an extra $150 over the 5600 to get just an extra 33% in cores with the 5800. Once AMD sees that everyone is either grabbing the 5600 or 5900 then I would expect to see a price adjustment at some point to better reflect where the 5800 sits in the product stack. Until then I'd think you'd be crazy to buy the 5800 at it's current price. GN and many other tech tubers seem to agree with this so interesting to see TYC pushing the 5800 so hard right now.
"If it was USD399 or less that would make much more sense." You can now get an i9-10850K for $400. Oh and you can ACTUALLY buy it...most anywhere...and then put that extra $50 towards RAM or an SSD Drive
nice vid - i chose the 5900X for my system - there seems to be a problem with certain boards/bios versions tho - out of the box my 5900X scored 8334/629 in Cinebench R20 (no overclocking, tinkering whatsoever) - so something seems to be off in the benchmarks - 7776 seems a bit low for a 5900X
Likely cooling based and or bad ram settings. My 5950x is 100 percentile across the benchmark sites with a D14 and 3200 mhz ram with very tight timings
I mean 5950x is better in terms of workstation than the 5900x, I’m not a professional tat works with these programs, my pc is just for casual gaming and schoolwork, so I got a 5900x
I like the 5800X, but prices being as close as they are, I will likely upgrade to the 5900X next year, when prices go down as they usually do. My current 3600X is good enough for now and I have a B550 Tomahawk so no need to change MoBo. Also I really like my white Pure Base 500DX case with RGB so not likely to change that either.
Just in time video, I was looking for these benchmarks on productivity. At first I was tempted on the 5600x but realized it's not enough for my style. I hope the 5900x comes back to the stores soon..
Great video straight to the point very engaging, I had done my research and made up my mind just looking for some confirmation I don’t use my pc for anything except gaming and also I knew I wouldn’t be able to take advantage of all the cores for 5950x at least in the near future so I think I’ll just go with 5900x I was just looking for a excuse to spend more money 😂 but think I’ll be just fine with 12 cores
Wrong you should choose Neither, Why because Mid year 2021 Intel will have Alderlake i7 16core 34thread 6.3ghz boost 10NM socket 1300 with their new DDR5 7000Mhz Ram that will litterally be a huge game changer litterally the high GHz paired with newer architecture and Faster Ram utilizing PCI 4.0 will be far superior and faster then anything AMD has now Ryzen 5950x ect so basically buying Ryzen 5950X is a waste of money because it won't have 6.3ghz or DDR5 !!!And will be obsolete proformance and bad investment hahahah this time I think Intel was waiting for AMD too do this... You have time too save
Well,.. since I have the R9 3900x cpu atm, I can't justify spending on the upgrade. Sure I'd like to, but I'm quite happy w/the performance from the 3900x.
I've got a 5950x. If I really want the best clocks in gaming I disable one of my ccds and its essentially a golden binned 5800x. If I'm about to use some productivity apps I turn both ccds on and get 16 cores 32 threads. Win win as long as you have 800$ usd.
@@brandonbajc2084 most impressive! Im stuck at 1900fclk / 3800Mhz at 14-14-15-13-29-42-1t with a 61.5ns Aida64 latency on my 3900x. Looks like I'm going with that 5950x, heres hoping to get a good specimen.
@@surject I have a 3900X currently, very happy with it. I'm gonna go with a 5950x this generation. The 5950X is really just a better 5900x. I think if you can budget for one it will be the better choice. I like the ability to have extra cores for overclocking & benchmarking. Generally you get a bit better silicone quality when you step up to the flagship chip. Since you can turn off CCD's and simulate the other zen chips with less CCD's, you are not even missing out on the single CCD latency boone. My 3900X is clocked at (4650)CCD0 (4450)CCD1 1.356VCore, hoping to really be impressed by the 5950X.
Yeah these videos always make me laugh. Tech youtubers live in a world where they can get any hardware they want just to benchmark it. The rest of us peasants have to wait 6 months until the scalpers aren't making money with it anymore. I have actual work I can get done faster with a 5950x, and this guy is talking about "which one should you buy?" Detached from reality
Gotta start using the Cinebench R23 bench. It uses more of the new instruction sets. I just snagged a 10980XE 18c36t monster that runs 5.1GHz all core for $800 flat. Also, had the 2nd Gen x299 Aorus Gaming 7 Pro motherboard using the intersil (ISL99227B) 60A smart power stages with the metal heat dissipation tabs and double-sided solder joints for stand alone cooling. No VRM disaster's here.. 9900K's are $300 with the z390 Aorus Master for $150 to go with it. I got a $40 discount on everything.
@@jimtekkit im worried about when developers make games based off the new consoles which are 8/16. So theres a possibility it will see a performance wall in the next 2-5 years
@@mikeymaiku Neah dude you won't. This is what everybody is saying since the dawn of time "Just wait till they make it mega-multi-core". It wont happen. There will never be a game in the next 10 years that ONLY and ONLY runs at 60 fps high settings 1080p - 1440p with 8 cores / 16 threads. You can be the 5600/x in peace and you'll play whaterver the fuck you want when you want with no issues.
bought my 5900x for 277 dollars, its very fast at rendering in premiere pro!about half the price since this video was put out!using Thermalright Assassin 120 on it and its sub par!getting additional 64gb for 128gb in total and a 4060ti over the next 2 months!
The 5900X needed to be within striking distance of the 3950X on plentiful Workstation tasks, and given that it is proving this truth in benchmarks from other reviewers, this ultimately is allowing for proper depreciation of the 3950X, as it can now be bought for about 05I7 to 0589$ USD on the Second Hand and Open Box market, most notably in areas such as New York; for those curious, Micro Center now sells New units of the 3950X for 0649.99$, this is not bad if you need the Warranty but I can easily say that it's okay to get it Used, Pre~owned, or Open Box if you can find it elsewhere for about 060 to 0I40$ less or better. The 5950X ultimately is put into No Man's Land due to this, there is a respectable performance uplift over the 3950X (but is only truly recognized in a 04.70 GHz All Core Overclock) but somebody who is building a new system might not have the budget to get the best that Socket AM4 has to offer; due to this, the 5950X is best for two types of investors: Those upgrading from a 3900X or weaker who want to get the most out of their system, or somebody who is building a system from scratch and has the money to blow on it instead of opting for the 5900X or 3950X; if anybody already has a 3950X, I would strongly recommend for them to stay with the Zen II Consumer Flagship for many years and then upgrade to the 5950X once it drops in price significantly, Zen III's Lock~On Technology (Smart Access Memory) might very well come in handy if many applications get to make use of it and I have not a doubt in my mind that this will help prolong the life of Zen III systems for at least seven to ten years, maybe even longer if you stick on the 5950X and just keep upgrading the GPU over time and max out the DDR IV RAM to 0I28 GB of UDIMM ECC.
After 13 years my AMD Phenom II x4 955 rig finally bit the dust this past march. For the past 13 years, I've never been happy with the offerings for either intel or AMD. So I kept holding off upgrading. I used to upgrade every 3-5 years for decades. Believe it or not that old rig held its own other than upgrading the hard drives, power supply and video card. Been waiting and waiting since my old rig crapped out and finally there's a sale on Amazon. Got the Ryzen 9 5900x for $388 32% off. Sweet. All the other parts were on sale too. Motherboard 570s passive cooling 21% off 32 gigs 21% off. Finally price for performance is back to normal! The 1TB M2 drive and CPU cooler were not on sale but the money I saved on the other 3 parts I was good to go. Finally I will be able to dump this laptop!! I'm still going to use my 750watt power supply which I got back in 2019 and the video the RT 480 8 gig. The video card should be able to hold its own until there's better offerings from AMD or Nvidia though I've never owned an Nvidia. It did pretty good boosting the performance in games on the Phenom II.
Hardware Unboxed seemed to show better gaming results on the 5900 and 5950x than the 5800. Curious why they would have a different result than you on this. Thank you so much
Not just HU, Gamer's Nexus and others as well. The 5900X's combination of gaming and productivity performance for its price is the reason why the 5800X seems overpriced.
5900X, no question. UNLESS you can actually make the time saved with those 4 extra cores appear in books which tell you how much money you make. The only people who should get a 5950X are those whose jobs involve a lot of waiting for compiles/renders etc.
I strictly game and just built a PC with a 5800x. This cpu is a monster and it has exceeded my expectations. It runs a little warm, use an aio or a decent air cooler.
I ordered the 5900X at first, but the 5950X was available at a point when there where 500 others still waiting in line before me for the 5900X. So I canceled my 5900X, ordered the 5950X and started building my new tiny gaming PC. I will use my GTX1080 for a bit longer until the graphic card stocks have normalized and how the RTX3080Ti will perform and cost compared to the other cards at that point.
I am buying 5950X not because i need it, but I like to see 5950X sitting there instead of an AMD-FX. Once in a while I do CPU-ID to make sure. LOL You look at the PC as a tool, but I look at it as a friend.
@@RESURRECT2 Im also using 32gb Patriot Viper RGB 4133mhz ram. And able to run it at 4000mhz But i prefer the lower timings at 3800mhz 16-16-16-32-42 its a kick ass system.
I ended up getting the 5950x for $670 with taxes included in the price. I'm glad I got this I literally traded up from the 5600x to 5800x to the 5950x and while the other 2 processors are great for what I needed the 5950x was a must but the 5800x is great as well.
Just so you know, you can get Thunderbolt 3 on x570 motherboards. For example, my AORUS x570 Ultra has a Thunderbolt 3 header and separate Gigabyte Thunderbolt 3 card that is compatible. For my motherboard specifically, it's Rev. 1.1/1.2. The original 1.0 revision does not have the Thunderbolt header. And in the BIOS you have full control over it (e.g. restricting it to DisplayPort output only). So you don't even need Intel for Thunderbolt support anymore.
If you have something like 3950x don't worry about buying either one because your current CPU will be good for you for the next couple years my 3950x is overclocked to 4.3Ghz all cores and runs like a dream 🤔.
Flash forward to 2024 and the 5950x is $200 USD with an AM4 socket. Running it with an RTX 4080 and 64GB of DDR4 ram. Very fast PC for gaming, productivity and AI.
I bought the 3950X few months back back because clearly it was the better bin. Now the 5900X shows the same advantages so that makes the choice more difficult
Just got one o nebay for 1170 after tax, factory sealed. and the demand for it is high since it's been out f or 4 months I believe. Hell yeaa, I have 2 x570's at home waiting for their new OP baby. this on stock clock would wreck my current 8700k even if it was OC'd
I run a 5900X with an CPU Core Ratio set to 45.00, which translates to 4.5 GHz max speed, even though using Ryzen Master to test the overclock speed returned a 5.050 GHz speed on this CPU. I don't like running them full throttle like that. It shortens its lifespan.
I think most people were looking forward to this new gen Ryzen as a high powered all-in-one gaming and streaming machine. However, they need to remember if they're pushing the cores enough running x264 the cores will be downclocking significantly (even below 4.0ghz) completely crushing gaming performance.
8 cores is the sweet spot for games today but betting five years later that sweet spot is gonna double! When that happens I'm STILL going to be happy with my OLD rig of that time! If you get the 16 core system and don't need it today, eventually you ARE going to need it for one of those future tomorrows. So yeah, gaming can't really use it to it's full potential yet but tomorrow's games are always getting more complicated and when they DO eventually get to 12 core games or even up to 16. Me? I'm already set. Could I have save around $250? Yeah but on the same note this rig SHOULD be good for at least a solid five years. What's $250 over five years? Gaming insurance.
0:42 the CCXes are arranged differently this time, the 5900x has 8 in one, and 4 in the other, not 6 each. This is why it takes the lead in most games because its a binned CCX with 8 cores in one so no latency comes into play.
But which one for music production? The latest software synths and effects stacking up in a project obliterate my i7 4790k from 5 years ago and planning to upgrade to 5900X or 5950X.
Great video! Do you think the 5950x would have a noticeable advantage over the 5900x in a multicam timeline with 2 or at most 3 cameras in davinci resolve?
Thanks for the video ! Awesome info. I wanted to know if im going to be game streaming (Local Network) using an Nvidia Shield TV pro 2019 to my 4k projector or 4k TV is the 5950X worth the extra price over the 5900X ? Will i see any difference in performance ? I also use my setup for Premiere Pro video editing (4k edits) as well as game a decent amount . Im running a RTX Strix 3080 .
Congratulations on the content, as always complete. Could you make a documentary about the extra performance of the ryzen 5900x and 5950x with SMT off? Previously in games, disabling SMT was able to extract extra performance. Besides improving the OC HEADROOM ~ 100mhz a little? I believe that 5950x as the most precious jewel could express more mhz, or am I wrong?
Choose what? To wait until Februrary? I just bought a 3950x and I haven't even installed it yet but the new chips evaporated on contact with the buy-bots, scalpers, Origin PC bundlers, and reviewers who got all the chips, just like the video card situation. New tech breakthroughs are only exciting if you can actually buy them.
It depends. Everybody has different situation. I found two pieces of 3090X for only $65 more than 5800X in expensive european prices. And while 5800X is already expensive and usually runs hotter, and could not even get it, 5900X was a nobrainer. I guess others have it different.
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Which Zen 3 CPU are you liking the most? Got a couple more videos coming out surrounding it!
Holding out for the 5950x need that core muscle, but it will nice to have the highest end gaming on the same machine.
I am liking the ZEoN e3 lmao.
5900x or 5700x when that comes.
5600x is stupid and so is the 5800x
5900x and 5600x maybe more variants soon
I made a small list of available new CPU's
5600x = Excellent
5800x = Best gaming chip to pair with 3080 or 6800xt
5900x = Great Value for productivity and compiling
5950x = Not Bad but expensive
10400f = Great value and best among all intel options
10600k = Good enough for gaming
10700k = Excellent value for gaming right noe. Just $30 more than 5600x but has 2 extra cores.
10900k = Yikes bad value. Just get the 5900x for the same price
3600, 3100 and 3300x = Still the budget kings
i3 10100 = Just don't buy it.
Athelon 3000G = Best for non-gaming / multimedia PC
Ryzen 3 3200G/ 4200G = Great if you don't have money for a dedicated GPU right now and would be getting one in near future.
Ryzen 5 3400G/4400G = If gaming is your only priority get the Ryzen 3 APU.
Ryzen 7 4700G = Yikes good luck getting one.
5950x is a must for me. Solitaire needs as more cores and threads as it can get and it's a no brainer for me to buy the 5950x
WRong! Minesweeper is the real CPU killer and sometimes when I am playing a game, I have a chrome browser open. I need 24 cores!
Don't even get me started on Space Cadet Pinball...been a benchmark for years for me.
I hear that Hearts is more demanding than Solitaire. Can the 5950x handle it? I need at least 30fps.
But will it play Pong?
@@sparkiekosten5902 Pong will give you 15fps on high setting. I recommend you turn textures down if you want 60fps.
I bought the 5950x because I couldn't find the 5900 and got tired of waiting. No regrets, thing is a beast.
shame on you should have got a 5900 bad person for getting the more powerful cpu🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
the cool thing about the higher core count CPUs is that you can disable a few cores with Ryzen master to optimize for higher gaming performance and re-enable them at will for whenever you actually need that extra power. Not only does that save on your energy bill along with undervolting, but it also increases the longevity of the cpu since its not wasting power on cores that are barely being utilized when gaming
@@DemonSaine does it gain any actual clock speed when you disable cores or is it just less power usage?
@@BigMan7o0 yes actually it does. when you have less cores to power you can get more performance out of the ones that are active but whether or not it will use less power is depending on how high the clock speeds of the activated cores are. with my 5900X in 12c/24t mode I can barely reach 4.8ghz on all cores with the voltage unlocked and even with full power draw. But when I disable 6 or 8 cores, I was able to get the clock speed up to 5.1ghz and could possibly go higher if I tried. Your motherboard also plays a factor as well though.
When the 1800X first launched I was looking at my 4790K, enjoying it, while I dreamt of mainstream processors being a reality some day with 12 or 16 cores and high single core performance. When I saw the 5900X launch I knew that day had come, using the 5900X with a 3080 now and I feel like the luckiest guy on the planet. Match made in heaven.
saw your comment,this was posted a year ago. Just got my self a 5900x and 3080. Its pretty good
@@luckydepressedguy8981 same! Just got a 5900x for $380 and rtx 3080 evga ftw3 ultra for $920. Couldn't be happier.
I recently got the aorus master 3070ti, about to upgrade my cpu from a 7 3800 xt. Not sure which im going to get.
I think this has made me realize i dont need the 5950. I mean, i do a lot of microscopy and data analysis, as well as 4k and vr gaming, but the extra little oomoh doesnt seem worth it
I found a dirt cheap 5900x in the UK for £215 a few months ago. Paired it with a 3080. It's nice not needing to worry about performance for literally anything I would personally be doing. More than happy to wait for the 8000 series and the 5000 series products from their respective companies in a couple of years.
Oooooh I thought I got a deal for 250 quid. Nicely done!
That is pretty sweet. I also got hold of a R9 5900X for £207 yesterday, replacing my R9 3900X. I've been holding out upgrading to Zen 3 for a few years, but now when a good deal popped up I had to try.
5900x x570 Board and 64gigs oder RAM for 325 Euro 😎
One of the most helpful comparison reviews, and with sound justification.
I know I can always rely on Tony Hawk to help me
Great discussion regarding productivity benchmarks. It seems to me that higher sustained all-core clocks are more important when choosing between 12 and 16. 12 is plenty enough.
eh you can get that with the 5950x just put two 360 mm rads together to cool that beast down kid
Sustained clocks are fixed by raising PPT, TDC and EDC limits. Mine sustains 4.7Ghz in all but the most extremes 32 thread workloads, prime95 32 threads is what clocks down to 4.3 Ghz
Finally someone testing 1440p no other than the YES man! (:
Igors Lab did 1440p as well, but yes no one else really :(
errr loads of channels do, hardware unboxed do it very well
@@rip.tear. I love hardware unboxed but they didn't give any number on 1440p only 1080p.
Well I bought and installed a 5600x, so it doesnt really matter anymore. But still I don't get why most people only compare in 1080p when a large part of the community plays in 1440p.
If you're gpu bound, none of this test matters
That's why most test at 1080p so they are on cpu bound not gpu bound (1440p is more gpu bound)
Great video, thank you! If you disable 4 of the cores on the 5950x and run the test again 12c vs 12c, I bet the 5950x runs cooler at a faster GHz.
5900X Vs 5950X
"Which should you choose?"
"Which is available in stock " :D :D :D
literally me rn
I got a 5950X for $699.99 on sale at Best Buy. For that price in this current market it was a no brainer.
5900X = Gaming 1st, Content Creation 2nd
5950X = Productivity 1st, Gaming 2nd
5900X = Boss at every computer task imaginable.
Not really, the 5950X has the best singlethread perfomance from AMD.
@@saricubra2867 I think he meant Budget-Wise..
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5900X isn't far behind, and there's quite the premium for that small difference in singlethreaded performance.
Hmm... tempting to wait for the eventual 5900XT refresh before Zen 4 drops. Sounds like that will pretty much be the best CPU for my needs that I can drop in my socket AM4 board.
I had the 5950x already in my shopping cart .... but you changed my mind.
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I think about it you review it love this channel had picked the 5900 for next build glad I was on the right side of the two, Thanks for the video.
Well done video! Thanks for the comparison.
hey man you've been killing it this year with the production quality improvements, good job dude and have a good day
This answered all of my questions. Thank you for posting! :D
As much as I loved and still love my 6700K, I never knew editing 32.5mp photos in Lightroom would be so intensive on the CPU and especially working with many layers and profiles across multiple photos. Gaming is ok for the most part, but I think 5-6 years is a good lifespan, so perhaps the 5900x and 32GB of ram will be the next system for me.
Why I got the 5600x gets a couple less frames half the price and stays cool at 4.3GHz steady with AIO. Bigger isn't always better. Love the video definitely get a sub from me.
Such a great channel! Love your delivery, so easy to digest!
I would love to see the latency ccx comparsions for gaming of the improvement of input delay.
Gaming.Gaming.Gaming. More emphasis on gaming.
More IPC. Love the competition!
The first and most important question is: Will I be able to get one before 2021?
Probably not. Unless you're buying a scalped one(don't). But MAYBE by mid-2021 you'll be able to get one for MSRP.
I'm in a queue of over 200 people and it's going down by about 8 every week, so I definitely think it'll be next year for me :(
I ordered 6 hours after release in Germany and I am getting it next week so its not that hard, for the graphics cards its another story
@@Eddy-pm8tf i ordered the day before release and just received it 3 days ago... Yeah it's very hard to find them
Doubt.
You gotta do some manual memory tuning on these cpus and see how well they scale
plus enable PBO at different settings to feed more power to cores under load without all core ocing
@@dubya85 That might not do anything good at all depending on your cooling and/or what the motherboard actually does. They have a tendency to already give it more juice. PBO on my 3600xt on a B550 I-Gaming does nothing at all lol. But it runs at 4.4 all core anyway so don't care..
You just saved me $250 so I thank you for that! :)
I’ll choose whatever is in stock. So probably none of the two
A good thing to consider is total cost of ownership, a 5950x will resale for more than a 5900x recovering some and maybe all of the $250 difference on the other end. Historically i7 have resold for the price difference new over an i5, costing $0 more to have gotten the i7 over an i5 after resale, upgrading past 3-4 years the resale difference starts to shrink. So far Ryzen CPUs have followed this same trend, the resale difference between 2 CPUs is very close to the MSRP difference.
As an example: A new $400 I7 vs $300 i5, when you sell them 2 years later the I7 is now $300 and the I5 $200, both cost the same $100 to own for 2 years.
The main issue with the 5800 is it's current MSRP. It's at least $50 overpriced in relation to the other 5000 SKUs. If it was USD399 or less that would make much more sense. But at USD449 you may as well pay the extra $100 to get an increase in cores by 50% with the 5900. Where as atm you are paying an extra $150 over the 5600 to get just an extra 33% in cores with the 5800.
Once AMD sees that everyone is either grabbing the 5600 or 5900 then I would expect to see a price adjustment at some point to better reflect where the 5800 sits in the product stack. Until then I'd think you'd be crazy to buy the 5800 at it's current price. GN and many other tech tubers seem to agree with this so interesting to see TYC pushing the 5800 so hard right now.
That or the 5800 and or 5700 will bring price drops, non x that is.
@@Trick-Framed That's what I suspect. A 5800 or 5600 non-X are going to walk in that door for everyone that wants cheaper CPUs.
"If it was USD399 or less that would make much more sense." You can now get an i9-10850K for $400. Oh and you can ACTUALLY buy it...most anywhere...and then put that extra $50 towards RAM or an SSD Drive
11:00 actually the ps5 doesn't support native 1440p. Idk how it would pan out with an upscale or downscale from 1080p or 4k respectively.
nice vid - i chose the 5900X for my system - there seems to be a problem with certain boards/bios versions tho - out of the box my 5900X scored 8334/629 in Cinebench R20 (no overclocking, tinkering whatsoever) - so something seems to be off in the benchmarks - 7776 seems a bit low for a 5900X
Likely cooling based and or bad ram settings. My 5950x is 100 percentile across the benchmark sites with a D14 and 3200 mhz ram with very tight timings
I work with Adobe After Effects, Blender 3D, DaVinci Resolve and trying to work with 4K 60fps videos.........I guess the 5950 is the best choice?
I mean 5950x is better in terms of workstation than the 5900x, I’m not a professional tat works with these programs, my pc is just for casual gaming and schoolwork, so I got a 5900x
I like the 5800X, but prices being as close as they are, I will likely upgrade to the 5900X next year, when prices go down as they usually do. My current 3600X is good enough for now and I have a B550 Tomahawk so no need to change MoBo. Also I really like my white Pure Base 500DX case with RGB so not likely to change that either.
Just in time video, I was looking for these benchmarks on productivity. At first I was tempted on the 5600x but realized it's not enough for my style.
I hope the 5900x comes back to the stores soon..
Hey! Already got one?
@@leandrothreewin3648 I did order a 5950x, but now waiting for the 3070 to start building the system. might take a while :)
@@bennysh Congratulations :P Dream computer haham 5950x is such a monster
Great video straight to the point very engaging, I had done my research and made up my mind just looking for some confirmation I don’t use my pc for anything except gaming and also I knew I wouldn’t be able to take advantage of all the cores for 5950x at least in the near future so I think I’ll just go with 5900x I was just looking for a excuse to spend more money 😂 but think I’ll be just fine with 12 cores
3:03 I love Tech YES Transitions!
He likes stinger transitions so much he bought a Kia stinger
Wrong you should choose Neither, Why because Mid year 2021 Intel will have Alderlake i7 16core 34thread 6.3ghz boost 10NM socket 1300 with their new DDR5 7000Mhz Ram that will litterally be a huge game changer litterally the high GHz paired with newer architecture and Faster Ram utilizing PCI 4.0 will be far superior and faster then anything AMD has now Ryzen 5950x ect so basically buying Ryzen 5950X is a waste of money because it won't have 6.3ghz or DDR5 !!!And will be obsolete proformance and bad investment hahahah this time I think Intel was waiting for AMD too do this... You have time too save
@@EpicGamingEct Video transitions are a waste of money? O_o what?
Well,.. since I have the R9 3900x cpu atm, I can't justify spending on the upgrade. Sure I'd like to, but I'm quite happy w/the performance from the 3900x.
Same here
Same. I'm playing on 1440p anyways, so virtually no difference in frames. Sticking with my 3900x until at least next generation.
That bit about games being developed on 8 Core was good to know
Just wait until you get a 5900x and a 6900xt with SAM. Those margins in games will only grow.
I was able to get a 5800x. Since I'm coming from an i5 4690k I'm expecting a huge performance increase. Now I'm waiting for the 6800 xt to launch.
Congrats dude, I had i5 4690 and got me Ryzen 5 3600 last year and the performance difference was enormous. So expect an even bigger performance
same
i just game was going to upgrade my i7 4790k to 5800x is it worth it
@@wowfoelifewarcrack3297 yep
@@justmixah3408 and from 6700k?
I've got a 5950x. If I really want the best clocks in gaming I disable one of my ccds and its essentially a golden binned 5800x. If I'm about to use some productivity apps I turn both ccds on and get 16 cores 32 threads. Win win as long as you have 800$ usd.
How well does your 5950X overclock Dram? Im going back and forth between the 5900X and 5950X.
@@zTerrordactyl 2000mhz fclock and 4000mhz 15-16-16-36 on an asus x570i with bios 2813
@@brandonbajc2084 most impressive!
Im stuck at 1900fclk / 3800Mhz at 14-14-15-13-29-42-1t with a 61.5ns Aida64 latency on my 3900x.
Looks like I'm going with that 5950x, heres hoping to get a good specimen.
@@zTerrordactyl Did you decide yet? I got the same problem... 5950X vs 5900X.
@@surject I have a 3900X currently, very happy with it.
I'm gonna go with a 5950x this generation. The 5950X is really just a better 5900x. I think if you can budget for one it will be the better choice.
I like the ability to have extra cores for overclocking & benchmarking. Generally you get a bit better silicone quality when you step up to the flagship chip.
Since you can turn off CCD's and simulate the other zen chips with less CCD's, you are not even missing out on the single CCD latency boone.
My 3900X is clocked at (4650)CCD0 (4450)CCD1 1.356VCore, hoping to really be impressed by the 5950X.
Easy answer: none, because you cannot buy one, lol!
Yeah these videos always make me laugh. Tech youtubers live in a world where they can get any hardware they want just to benchmark it. The rest of us peasants have to wait 6 months until the scalpers aren't making money with it anymore. I have actual work I can get done faster with a 5950x, and this guy is talking about "which one should you buy?" Detached from reality
Some how I lucked out I recommend using a discord that notifies u
But in my country i can buy but the ryzen 9 5950x is SO EXPENSIVE. But i planned on buying i9 10900k but i changed my mind and i am buying 5900x
Lol I have already brought the ryzen 9 5950x
U dont have money lol so u spam everywhere that you are poor
It’s a little bit easier to get ahold of then the 3070s, 3080s, and 3090s. At least that’s what I’ve been told
Gotta start using the Cinebench R23 bench. It uses more of the new instruction sets. I just snagged a 10980XE 18c36t monster that runs 5.1GHz all core for $800 flat. Also, had the 2nd Gen x299 Aorus Gaming 7 Pro motherboard using the intersil (ISL99227B) 60A smart power stages with the metal heat dissipation tabs and double-sided solder joints for stand alone cooling. No VRM disaster's here.. 9900K's are $300 with the z390 Aorus Master for $150 to go with it. I got a $40 discount on everything.
I like how calm you talk
I needed another machine for my 3D, so I got the 5950x and was so impressed I took my 3900x out of the other machine and put a 5950x in it also!
Awesome thank you!
I was lucky to get a 5600x on my first try on amazon. Happy with my gaming pc. I dont do any streaming or productivity so i dont need the extra cores.
6 Cores and 12 Threads ain't even bad for productivity either.
I doubt the 5600X will be a limiting factor for most productivity workloads regardless. Can't wait to get my hands on mine next week.
@@jimtekkit im worried about when developers make games based off the new consoles which are 8/16. So theres a possibility it will see a performance wall in the next 2-5 years
@@mikeymaiku Neah dude you won't. This is what everybody is saying since the dawn of time "Just wait till they make it mega-multi-core". It wont happen. There will never be a game in the next 10 years that ONLY and ONLY runs at 60 fps high settings 1080p - 1440p with 8 cores / 16 threads. You can be the 5600/x in peace and you'll play whaterver the fuck you want when you want with no issues.
bought my 5900x for 277 dollars, its very fast at rendering in premiere pro!about half the price since this video was put out!using Thermalright Assassin 120 on it and its sub par!getting additional 64gb for 128gb in total and a 4060ti over the next 2 months!
The 5900X needed to be within striking distance of the 3950X on plentiful Workstation tasks, and given that it is proving this truth in benchmarks from other reviewers, this ultimately is allowing for proper depreciation of the 3950X, as it can now be bought for about 05I7 to 0589$ USD on the Second Hand and Open Box market, most notably in areas such as New York; for those curious, Micro Center now sells New units of the 3950X for 0649.99$, this is not bad if you need the Warranty but I can easily say that it's okay to get it Used, Pre~owned, or Open Box if you can find it elsewhere for about 060 to 0I40$ less or better.
The 5950X ultimately is put into No Man's Land due to this, there is a respectable performance uplift over the 3950X (but is only truly recognized in a 04.70 GHz All Core Overclock) but somebody who is building a new system might not have the budget to get the best that Socket AM4 has to offer; due to this, the 5950X is best for two types of investors: Those upgrading from a 3900X or weaker who want to get the most out of their system, or somebody who is building a system from scratch and has the money to blow on it instead of opting for the 5900X or 3950X; if anybody already has a 3950X, I would strongly recommend for them to stay with the Zen II Consumer Flagship for many years and then upgrade to the 5950X once it drops in price significantly, Zen III's Lock~On Technology (Smart Access Memory) might very well come in handy if many applications get to make use of it and I have not a doubt in my mind that this will help prolong the life of Zen III systems for at least seven to ten years, maybe even longer if you stick on the 5950X and just keep upgrading the GPU over time and max out the DDR IV RAM to 0I28 GB of UDIMM ECC.
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After 13 years my AMD Phenom II x4 955 rig finally bit the dust this past march. For the past 13 years, I've never been happy with the offerings for either intel or AMD. So I kept holding off upgrading. I used to upgrade every 3-5 years for decades. Believe it or not that old rig held its own other than upgrading the hard drives, power supply and video card. Been waiting and waiting since my old rig crapped out and finally there's a sale on Amazon. Got the Ryzen 9 5900x for $388 32% off. Sweet. All the other parts were on sale too. Motherboard 570s passive cooling 21% off 32 gigs 21% off. Finally price for performance is back to normal! The 1TB M2 drive and CPU cooler were not on sale but the money I saved on the other 3 parts I was good to go. Finally I will be able to dump this laptop!! I'm still going to use my 750watt power supply which I got back in 2019 and the video the RT 480 8 gig. The video card should be able to hold its own until there's better offerings from AMD or Nvidia though I've never owned an Nvidia. It did pretty good boosting the performance in games on the Phenom II.
Hardware Unboxed seemed to show better gaming results on the 5900 and 5950x than the 5800. Curious why they would have a different result than you on this. Thank you so much
Not just HU, Gamer's Nexus and others as well. The 5900X's combination of gaming and productivity performance for its price is the reason why the 5800X seems overpriced.
5900X, no question.
UNLESS you can actually make the time saved with those 4 extra cores appear in books which tell you how much money you make. The only people who should get a 5950X are those whose jobs involve a lot of waiting for compiles/renders etc.
Facts I was talking to a guy at micro center who does rending for his job and that's why he was getting the 5950. I went with the 5900x
You absolutely right. I dnt need my 5950x but can't wait to get a 32 core cpu 🤣.
Decent thorough comparison.
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had to come back to leave a like lol, I like supporting this guy he's so chill and calm :)
I strictly game and just built a PC with a 5800x. This cpu is a monster and it has exceeded my expectations. It runs a little warm, use an aio or a decent air cooler.
I ordered the 5900X at first, but the 5950X was available at a point when there where 500 others still waiting in line before me for the 5900X. So I canceled my 5900X, ordered the 5950X and started building my new tiny gaming PC. I will use my GTX1080 for a bit longer until the graphic card stocks have normalized and how the RTX3080Ti will perform and cost compared to the other cards at that point.
Probably none if you still got a 1600 af, or 7700k from way back. They still run 98% of games perfectly
Using a 7700k with a 1080ti and i really want to upgrade to a 5900x and a 3080 but it doesn’t seem worth the effort. Still have that very bad itch.
I am buying 5950X not because i need it, but I like to see 5950X sitting there instead of an AMD-FX. Once in a while I do CPU-ID to make sure. LOL
You look at the PC as a tool, but I look at it as a friend.
1440p ultrawide is what I use. 5900x sounds like the right choice then.
Already got the 5950x and a 420mm radiator. Never breaks 60c under load.
I have on Kraken X73 360mm usually about 65-75'C under load :/
@@RESURRECT2 Highest ive seen it go with many hours of use now is 61c with curve optimizations.
@@RESURRECT2 Im also using 32gb Patriot Viper RGB 4133mhz ram. And able to run it at 4000mhz But i prefer the lower timings at 3800mhz 16-16-16-32-42 its a kick ass system.
I ended up getting the 5950x for $670 with taxes included in the price. I'm glad I got this I literally traded up from the 5600x to 5800x to the 5950x and while the other 2 processors are great for what I needed the 5950x was a must but the 5800x is great as well.
Just so you know, you can get Thunderbolt 3 on x570 motherboards. For example, my AORUS x570 Ultra has a Thunderbolt 3 header and separate Gigabyte Thunderbolt 3 card that is compatible. For my motherboard specifically, it's Rev. 1.1/1.2. The original 1.0 revision does not have the Thunderbolt header. And in the BIOS you have full control over it (e.g. restricting it to DisplayPort output only). So you don't even need Intel for Thunderbolt support anymore.
Good stuff thx
If you have something like 3950x don't worry about buying either one because your current CPU will be good for you for the next couple years my 3950x is overclocked to 4.3Ghz all cores and runs like a dream 🤔.
Had to settle for a 5800x since it’s all I could find. Was on sale for 370$ so I got a good deal. High temps though
I went for more cores. I work with highly threaded applications. I am moving up to the 16 cores from 10 cores.
I bought a 3950x but it got cancelled by the jack ass seller on ebay, so i'm gunning for a 5900x now
very nice
Flash forward to 2024 and the 5950x is $200 USD with an AM4 socket. Running it with an RTX 4080 and 64GB of DDR4 ram. Very fast PC for gaming, productivity and AI.
The 5900X is the best deal of the Ryzen 5000 CPU's.
I bought the 3950X few months back back because clearly it was the better bin. Now the 5900X shows the same advantages so that makes the choice more difficult
waiting for my 5950. Will hopefully help me with my video editing.
I bought the 5950x because it was in stock, sometimes it's that easy.
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Where did you find it. I'll take either if I can find it.
Just got one o nebay for 1170 after tax, factory sealed. and the demand for it is high since it's been out f or 4 months I believe. Hell yeaa, I have 2 x570's at home waiting for their new OP baby. this on stock clock would wreck my current 8700k even if it was OC'd
I run a 5900X with an CPU Core Ratio set to 45.00, which translates to 4.5 GHz max speed, even though using Ryzen Master to test the overclock speed returned a 5.050 GHz speed on this CPU. I don't like running them full throttle like that. It shortens its lifespan.
I think most people were looking forward to this new gen Ryzen as a high powered all-in-one gaming and streaming machine. However, they need to remember if they're pushing the cores enough running x264 the cores will be downclocking significantly (even below 4.0ghz) completely crushing gaming performance.
8 cores is the sweet spot for games today but betting five years later that sweet spot is gonna double! When that happens I'm STILL going to be happy with my OLD rig of that time! If you get the 16 core system and don't need it today, eventually you ARE going to need it for one of those future tomorrows. So yeah, gaming can't really use it to it's full potential yet but tomorrow's games are always getting more complicated and when they DO eventually get to 12 core games or even up to 16. Me? I'm already set. Could I have save around $250? Yeah but on the same note this rig SHOULD be good for at least a solid five years. What's $250 over five years? Gaming insurance.
Brilliant 👍
Finally someone testing 4k no other than the YES man! (:
Excellent review as always 👍
0:42 the CCXes are arranged differently this time, the 5900x has 8 in one, and 4 in the other, not 6 each. This is why it takes the lead in most games because its a binned CCX with 8 cores in one so no latency comes into play.
Can you share any link for that? AFAIK it's 6+6, because it would not make sense to shorten supply of 8 bins designated for 5800x and 5950x.
But which one for music production? The latest software synths and effects stacking up in a project obliterate my i7 4790k from 5 years ago and planning to upgrade to 5900X or 5950X.
Can't wait for 6th gen and the release of the Ryzen 9 6990X
;D
Great video!
Do you think the 5950x would have a noticeable advantage over the 5900x in a multicam timeline with 2 or at most 3 cameras in davinci resolve?
Thanks for the video ! Awesome info. I wanted to know if im going to be game streaming (Local Network) using an Nvidia Shield TV pro 2019 to my 4k projector or 4k TV is the 5950X worth the extra price over the 5900X ? Will i see any difference in performance ? I also use my setup for Premiere Pro video editing (4k edits) as well as game a decent amount . Im running a RTX Strix 3080 .
WANT 5900X. I hope they are readilymin stock by Jan
Congratulations on the content, as always complete.
Could you make a documentary about the extra performance of the ryzen 5900x and 5950x with SMT off?
Previously in games, disabling SMT was able to extract extra performance.
Besides improving the OC HEADROOM ~ 100mhz a little?
I believe that 5950x as the most precious jewel could express more mhz, or am I wrong?
Bryan bro, you gotta take a little rest Brother, we need you healthy and sound
Can I run those on my GA-370m-ds3h ? can't find a real answer in the internet
Very informative AAA+++
Went with 5900X for mainly gaming, didn't think the 5950X justified the price-performance difference. It'll be good for at least 3 years, I reckon.
Does the opinion of the 5900X over the 5950X when fully water cooled? As you said heat is the problem with the 5950X...
NIce video :)
Which one? It really doesn't matter since AMD and it's sellers will not let my buy one.
Choose what? To wait until Februrary? I just bought a 3950x and I haven't even installed it yet but the new chips evaporated on contact with the buy-bots, scalpers, Origin PC bundlers, and reviewers who got all the chips, just like the video card situation. New tech breakthroughs are only exciting if you can actually buy them.
It depends. Everybody has different situation. I found two pieces of 3090X for only $65 more than 5800X in expensive european prices. And while 5800X is already expensive and usually runs hotter, and could not even get it, 5900X was a nobrainer. I guess others have it different.
Hey love your video is it possible for you to do a video about the 5800x thermal ?? They seem really high compared to the other sku
Very Sporty color correction!
Still on my 1800x unsure what to get if there is stock.
Planning to get RTX 3080 still waiting on big Navi launch of what that outcome is.
Keep an eye on a used 3900x that would be a great upgrade imo 👍
12900k wasn't in stock, got a 5950x and a beast asus motherboard with asus tuf 3080 , will last me for years. No regrets.