SUPERMAN II (1980) Review - DC FILMS REVISITED
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- Опубликовано: 26 окт 2021
- SUPERMAN II was a notoriously troubled production, as was SUPERMAN - THE MOVIE. The relationship between director Richard Donner and the producers had broken down so badly during production that, despite 75% of the sequel already being shot, Donner was replaced by director Richard Lester. As a result, SUPERMAN II, as released theatrically in 1980, was far from a seamless sequel, with wild ranges in tone (thanks to radically different styles from the two directors), a partially dubbed Lex Luthor (Gene Hackman refused to loop his lines after Donner was fired) and a lack of John Williams. Ken Thorne replaced the latter for the score.
Yet, the movie still turned out pretty well thanks to Christopher Reeve as the Man of Steel, Margot Kidder as Lois Lane, and a trio of unforgettable villains, led by Terence Stamp as General Zod. In this episode of DC Films Revisited, we dig into the troubled production of SUPERMAN II and the eventual completion of SUPERMAN II: THE RICHARD DONNER CUT.
Which cut do you prefer? The theatrical or Donner’s? Let us know in the comments!
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What bugged me as a kid of either version, was his treck as a regular human to the Arctic. No gloves, no nothing and a fall jacket. And hes fine, no frostbite, no nothing.
Even without powers, in my opinion, his skin is still more dense than a human. However, they actually go to great length to show his physiology change in the depowering scene, so... I don't know. It's a movie where a guy turns back time. Go with it. Lol
@@TheBryanKRUSE exactly. He is still Superman, just Superman asleep.
He did, it just got fixed when he turned back into Superman.
Agreed. These are details (although may seem minor to some), are things Donner would not have missed. He gave up his powers, so his skin & body temperature would have obviously been that of an ordinary human beings.
@@nickperkins8477 not really. His powers were returned...gone. He literally gave them all up for his love of Lois, and to live his life as a mortal. The OP is right, that scene didn't make sense.
Kneel before ZOD, best movie line ever
I love both versions of the movie. Even though the Donner Cut has a great epic feel, I still have an attachment to the theatrical version
I enjoy elements of both. If I could, I would cut together scenes from both versions as my ideal "fan edit". =)
Lester version is definitely my favorite Superman movie
@@BuckarooBanzai84 Add the France scene after the credits and avoid using the hydrobomb as the catalyst for Zod's escape.
At least for me, that would be the one thing I'd add in the Donner cut.
@@mistermastermind528 Sure! I mean, it worked for "The Phantom Edit". =)
The Donner Cut improves almost everything... Except for the ending.
He reverses time AGAIN??? And erases the entire movie from existence?
I loved the fact Superman's mom was in the film. It made sense. Of course, he would want a connection to his mom.
I agree it does make more sense him connecting to the mother of wanting companionship
With very few exceptions, studio/producer interference is the #1 cause for a movie's problems. The Salkinds are the main villains in the first four Superhero films.
BIG TIME
To a certain extent, yeah. I guess it was hubris also in their part. Too ambitious to shoot 2 big films at once. But as Tom Mankiewicz said, the Salkinds should be credited for seeing the film as a big epic movie. What happened in the details (screenplay, proofs of concept, etc), were less than what they envisioned until they hired Donner. I do believe with what Ilya Salkind said that "it was everybody's fault and nobody's" since it was the first time many of the special effects were explored.
@@mistermastermind528 shooting the first two together was the smartest thing they did. Firing Donner was the dumbest.
@@Bobbypinker Firing Donner was really dumb.
Stamp was some hella gifted casting. He scared the crap out me as a kid.
He was a good casting that I still feel slightly terror from his performance as an adult
*such a good casting
Hahaha same
Christopher Reeve: "This whole project is feeling really dysfunctional."
The Cannon Group: "Hold our beers."
Yeah no kidding, eh? Our episode on that movie will be a long one.
No disrespect to any other actors intended, but Christopher Reeve was, is, and will always be THE DEFINITIVE SUPERMAN.
Hands down. He set the bar very high.
After seeing the Donner cut years ago I realized Lois shooting Clark contradicts the seen in Superman 1 where Lois and Clark are mugged in the alley and Superman seeing and catching the bullet shot by the mugger ,Superman should have seen Lois shooting a blank.
It's not really a contradiction. I see what your saying but Superman isn't looking for the bullet when Lois shoots. He has no reason to. Lois is in no danger this time and obviously Superman is not in danger. He's distracted by Lois and the act he is trying to put on. She caught him the second she fires the gun and he doesn't jump but rather he just stands tall. The point is Lois did outsmart him as only she could. The scene is more about the chemistry and romance between the two and how Lois challenges Superman.
RIP Richard Donner, you deserved better..One of the greatest filmakers ever..
Oh yes, I so remember how excited I was to see the Donner Cut. Was it worth the wait? Yes and no. I loved the more serious tone of the film and thought Donner's versions of scenes that were reshot by Lester looked like more time was spent on them, ringing of the production values of the original film rather the more slackened approach by the theatrical cut.
The nos are longer though.
I didn't like the far too swift Lois throwing herself out the window scene to prove Clark Kent was Superman. I agree entirely that it made her look insane, she doesn't even hesitate. In the Niagara Falls scene, when she takes Clark's glasses off and catches a glimpse of him without them, she shrugs it off at first like she imagined it. It took the supporting incident of Superman saving someone while Clark was nowhere to be seen to truly convince her.
I preferred the more drawn out scene of Lois being carried away on a torrent and Clark/Superman having to think fast how he can help her subtly without changing. I perhaps could have done without the cartoonishly stupid music while Clark was pushing up his glasses and saying, 'Sorry,' at the end of that scene.
I didn't like her shooting him with a gun, even if they were blanks, while the distracting glasses swap continuity error (which they did warn us about to their credit with a title card) keeps occurring and distracting me. The idea that a bumbling Clark Kent could accidentally trip over the pink bear and lose his glasses in the fire, then have to quickly recover them, was very fitting for the character of Clark Kent, at least how Reeve portrayed him.
Something I don't think was mentioned in the video was that Donner always said that no-one spoke to him about the budget, he took as much time as he thought he needed to get it right. The Salkinds though didn't like how much time he took. Richard Lester was reknowned for being able to shoot quickly and on the fly. He would set up multiple cameras to get two or three shots at once (which of course would limit your range with lighting, and essentially defocus the whole effort). If there was a bit of camera shake so what? That's Hollywood, let's move on.
In truth I think they didn't like the fact that Donner essentially insisted on final cut, that every decision made would go through him. I think they were expecting to have creative input themselves - you know, like the studio executive who once suggested that Back to the Future be retitled to 'Spaceman from Pluto'. Someone who thinks they're creative but actually doesn't have a clue.
Lifelong Reeve Superman film fan here, in case you didn't notice. Do a video like this for Superman III and I'll write a longer essay on why I even love that film. I don't love IV though, but Street Smart (1987) is really good, a young(ish) Morgan Freeman is in it. Give it a watch, it was the reason Reeve did IV.
The lester version has my favorite moment which wasn't in the Donner cut when he goes to the president with the flag & tells him sorry he wasn't around and he would never let him down again. Gets me everytime & one of the many reasons why it's my favorite Superman movie.
Good info, dude. Comprehensive coverage. Nice work!
The Donner cut is interesting to see once but it will never replace my love for the original Superman II
I like parts of both versions of Superman 2, but I have to admit both versions are very flawed and neither movie works as a complete whole like the first movie. If Donner had been able to complete his original vision, Superman 2 could have been just as great as The Godfather Part 2. As it is parts of both versions end being very uneven.
I'd like to see a fan produced edit, like how multiple people have tried to salvage the disaster that was Highlander II
Keep the bulk of the Donner Cut, but use Lester's ending. The memory kiss is dumb (but canon!) while rewinding time a week is insulting to the audience
I saw this in the theatre at seven years old and I can tell you five out of five stars and I love Christopher Reeve forever!
I always thought that was JW Pepper as the deputy in the town that Zod took over. There by putting James Bond in the Superman universe.
We can always think it's his long lost twin brother if we want to. Being switched at birth or given up for adoption isn't hard to believe.
@@blazerocker1734 it would also mean James Bond exists in Superman universe.
Pity... i always thought the Sheriff in Smokey and the Bandit and the guy from James Bond were the same person, but i now found out that Smokey's "Roscoe P Coltrane" was actually Jackie Gleason like in Caddyshack and so many other classical murican comedies inever have seen :D) Dayum!
😆 JW Pepper had a twin brother in "Houston, Idaho", or he somehow managed to leave Thailand (he had been placed in custody near the end of The Man With the Golden Gun) and resumed his improbable career in law enforcement, relocating from Louisiana to the Interior West.
Yes was J.W. Pepper.
I am a fan of both the Donner and Lester cuts . They both have a unique feel . Still have sentimental connection to the theatrical cut . Will never forget seeing in for the first time in June 1981 .
Brilliant video! Thanks for this beautiful narrative!
This one is my favorite of the original Superman movies.
As a kid the actual live action super human fights were so thrilling! And the murder of the astronauts always freaked me out lol.
SAME. I remember watching it as a little kid and hating that part
Thanks again JoBlo for another fact filled and entertaining video.
If I had Thanos’s gauntlet, I would snap the Lester Cut out of existence and bring a fully completed Donner Cut that would have a much better opening and ending shot by Donner, as well as an OFFICIAL Superman II score composed by John Williams, Also I’d bring into existence the intended Richard Donner Superman III movie that would’ve included Brainiac ! Also composed by Jedi Master Williams ! 😂
I was scrolling through tv channels with my mom recently and we saw "Superman II: Richard Donner Cut" and we were like.. what does that mean?? We decided to watch it, and it was so interesting for both of us trying to figure out everything that was different, since neither of us had seen the theatrical version in a long time. We were like halfway into the movie we realized "Hey, she never went to the Eiffel Tower!" I did like the scene with her shooting the gun at him more than her throwing herself into the river though. I'm not sure which one I prefer. I'd like a little of each to make my own movie.
Love Christopher Reeve may he rip 🤟🤟
ever see T. Stamp in THE LIMEY
Superman 2 is also another good example of comic bleedback. Zod in the comics didn't look anything like Terence Stamp, but his portrayal was so iconic that it became the go to look, much like how elements of Frank Gorshin's Riddler from the Adam West Batman were adapted into the comics.
If anyone wants the clue whether a moment is a Donner scene or a Lester reshoot or scene in general, Zod is the key. If Zod in a scene has short hair, it's a Donner scene; a little bit longer hair on Zod, that's a Lester scene.
The S throw I saw as a enhancement made because he is in the Fortress. Maybe the Fortress increases his power. Then again the amnesia kiss I grew to hate.
At least they did the S throw instead of what Superman did in late 50s and early 60s with him shooting miniature Superman from his hand ✋.
Yea, I thought the S was a special tech enhancement to the suit from the fortress, not some new superpower. Don't understand why it bothers people. I thought it was awesome as a kid.
@@keithhunt8 lol yeah, plus people need to remember that a lot of the material the first two Superman movies had to go on was from the Silver Age. The cellophane "S" is cringy but also legendary. I just repackaged it in my adult mind as some nifty fortress tech, although it was heavily implied as an additional ability in both versions of the film, like the teleportation scenes.
@@hiranom20 Yea, if the bad guys hadn't started teleporting around too, I'd have said that was the Fortress doing that. The multiple Supermen, were definitely the Fortress.
Having Jack O'Halloran, Gene Hackman, Sarah Douglas and Terence Stamp as the villains in "Superman 2" is nothing short of fantastic : not many "first sequels" are liked, this one is brilliant.
Conflicts aside, this one shows that Kent/Superman at his most vulnerable and ready to leave that life behind (think of No Time To Die and you get the picture) and a dire threat to the world emerges, with him being the only one to stop it.
I'm guessing the $190,000,000 box office sales in 1980/1981, is over a billion dollars - adjusted for inflation today, the 1983 movie steered away from those events in the first couple of features.
Too bad "Quest For Peace" was manhandled by a near bankrupt Cannon Pictures - reducing that $36m budget to $17m with Superman is pure sacrilege - nowadays it's a different way of life altogether.
Richard Donner and Christopher Reeve: thank you for dedication to a timeless classic, may you rest in peace.
Everyone complains about Superman killing Zod in Man of Steel yet he killed Zod in Superman II and Zod was a HUMAN with NO POWERS.
Terence Stamp, Sarah Douglas, and Jack O’Halloran are MVP’s. They bring so much as General Zod, Ursa, and Non.
It's too bad that Lester decided that Sarah Douglas's voice somehow wasn't powerful enough and had her lines redubbed with ADR provided by Annie Ross (Vera in Superman III). This was never Donner's intent and unforunately, while some of Ms. Douglas's original dialogue can be heard in the Donner cut of the movie (and she's just fantastic and conveys power through her attitude), he still had to use much of Lester's footage, so Ursa sounds very different from scene to scene and sometimes within the same scene.
Superman's mother is not called Lara El. Her name is Lara Lor Vann. Kryptonian women have their father's name as their surname. Even when married.
excellent breakdown of the huge superman 2 kerfuffle, I liked both versions but I preferred the Donner cut, the slap stick parts in the theatrical cut were just too much at times. great video
Thanks for watching!
There are several slapstick scenes in both versions, just a couple more in the theatrical version.
Best contribution: not only was General Zod changed to be more like Terrance Stamp, but Ursa and Non were eventually retconned into canon as well
I preferred the theatrical version as it seemed more epic in scope. Like superman scene in Paris. I think superman getting advice from his mother was better than the Joe el scene. Why? Because discussing marital issues to a human being I thought was better between a mother and a son. Also when Clark returns to the fortress to get his powers back and when he see just ruins and all hope lost we see the green crystal light up again and he picks it up. The audience not knowing did he or not get his powers back until we see him next saying care to step out side is better. Leave it to the audience imagination rather than watching a scene with Joe el beaming his powers back which I thought was kinda corny
Christopher Reeve we love you man.
I only watched the donner cut recently. Loved it.
I remember Superman discovering he could walk through walls (without destroying them) in the TV show. I don't know if it was in the comics or not.
13:20 "Thankfully Williams' score was reused for the Donner Cut" That's not necessarily a good thing. The music was hacked to pieces, often with awkward edits, and they kept using one music cue over and over and over. Even with a reduced orchestra, Thorne's music was a better adaptation on a scene for scene basis.
I like the theatrical version more and it will always be my prefered way to watch. It just works better as a movie
POTUS, kneeling: "Oh god"
Gen. Zod, standing: "That's Zod"
Total Chad
It's a shame that the modern movies are so bad. They have the technology to show Superman in a realistic way, but the stories and ideals are counter to the spirit of Superman.
This was the best superhero movie of all time.
So basically Superman II is the BvS of the classic super hero movies: A project made by director that got screw over by the producers
more like the Justice League of classic superhero films
@@integrity101 Is there any difference? All movies had their directors being screwed by Warner and having to release their cut version later.
@@alexandrefrauches132
Yes. Superman 2 & Justice League were butchered much more than most films.
@1:33 that art looks great!
Where did you find it?
I like both versions.
In Latin America during the 80's when school was not in session, the Superman movies were a staple of TV..... They would play them constantly as they knew kids were not in school...... Same with The Wizard of Oz, Willy Wonka and Tron.....
KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!!!
Rembering this movie previews on TV and was mindblown, saw it in the theater as a 8 year old and didnt understoot the half of it, but there was Superman fighting the bad guys.
One of the best movies ever made. Outstanding. ❤️ This movie forever.🎃🍕🇺🇲
Best ever made? Wow. You are the same as all other idiots here reviewing movies. Lots of best ever made movies it seems.
One big change not mentioned was the Donner cut doesn't show Clark and Lois bedding down together.
I prefer the Theatrical Cut it has a more finished feel I do like the Jor-el stuff in Superman 2 Donner cut what idont like is box sets replaced the Theatrical cut with Donner cut and it's like you have to have the Theatrical cut and put the the Donner cut as a Bonus Disc
Kneel before Zod!
an awesome video!
@9:40 sorry but that's what Lois does in the comics, so don't blame Donner"s version because it's faithful to the original material.
If Donner was a sith he would have killed off the producers at Warner's in the 80s lucky for them he's a peaceful kind man, and not Darth Donner!!!
Need to see the Donner Cut.
I love both versions, even that very different. None is perfect though, for the perfect version of this film I would pick some things of Donner Cut and some of the theatrical cut to create the perfect Superman II.
What worked better for me in Donner's Cut :
This cut features several more compelling choices than the theatrical, among them are the way Lois finds out that Clark is Superman, Lex learning about the Kryptonians, the fight in Metropolis and how Superman defeats Zod at the end.
But this version has a huge problem that is the ending. It ends almost identical as in the first film, Superman turning the Earth backwards to go back in time. And this is absolutely LAME ! This makes ZERO sense, cause basically everything that happened during these two hours never happened, the relation that Clark had with Lois, how they learned about each other, how they felt in love and the progression of this relationship basically never existed. It makes me really disappointed...
I know, in the theatrical cut Lois forget about almost everything as well, but it's not as bad than saying everything we saw during these two hours didn't really mattered.
But anyway, this is a great Superman film (even with the stupid ending) and it's an absolutely classic no matter what and I'm extremely happy that Donner got his cut released, cause It's his film, his vision and every director should see his vision on screen, not what the studio thinks it's better.
This narrator sounds like Pee-Wee's voice dub in Big Adventure "paging Mr. Herman, you have a telephone call at the front desk"
The Donner Cut is a cool novelty, but I'm not sure I can say it's better the theatrical cut. Wouldn't say it's worse, though, either. Both films have their flaws for sure, but the Donner cut just has too much missing and is too cobbled together for it to exceed the theatrical version.
What an absolute shame Donner did not stick around for for not only Superman II, but any other sequels that would have come. The quality of the series no doubt would have been much better then what we got.
I think the Donner cut is easily better. Most do as it has a much higher rating online. Its no more slapped together than the theatrical cut.
The real reason why Superman 2 is a good film is because of Richard Donner. Richard Lester was a terrible choice for this movie. Darn you Salkinds! 😤😡
Always had the hots for the zod lady sidekick.
Donner’s version is far superior, everyone knows the rules.
I remember going to the movies to see this movie when I was a kid. Love the fight scene in New York City. Which of course was all practical effects using giant fans to throw cars. You already know if they did this scene nowadays it would be CGI.
Well duh
I like both versions of Superman II. Neither sequel is perfect, but there's plenty to enjoy. Would the movie have been better if Donner and Mankiewicz completed their vision, 100%. But its trouble production is now part of film history. I think the film would have been more satisfying if it was ahead of its time and pulled a Spider-Man 2. Have Lois and Clark be a couple and not negate their established relationship. Just let them be a couple and have them deal with the relationship challenges in further sequels. It would have given Reeve and Kidder some great dramatic and comedic material to work as the series progressed.
The ONE thing that confuses me is. Why does Clark give up his powers to be with Lois? What's going to happen if he keeps them and stays with Lois? "He can't be Superman and spend time with lois" What about the time he has as Clark Kent? Why not use THAT time to spend with her? And if he has to leave her to save people, she understands, she's a big girl. Plus if Superman were to die of old age (keep in mind, to my knowledge, it hasn't been istablished in this movie that superman is immortal) then the Kryptonian race would cease to exist. That's a big burden for Superman to bare, being the last of his kind. This one moment in the movie is a whole level of dumb.
My theory is that the way Superman and Lois end up by the end of Superman 2 was a setup to revisit them in the future for further development, but they never get around to this much because Lois is largely absent from 3 and there’s way too much stuff going on in 4 lol
I would of had Lex Luthor killing General Zod in the oval office by shooting the three super villains with Kryptonite bullets then Luthor put Kryptonite bling on the three of them like he did to Superman. Lex Luthor becomes a national hero even getting a presidential pardon for his crimes and everyone in Metropolis turns on Superman along with the rest of the world
Wow Australia getting a film 6 months ahead of the US back in the 80s. Amazing.
Yeah back then they didn't have to worry about bootlegs. Even home video was super new back then.
Now, AU will be getting NTTD in, what late November, December? A jarring reversal of fortune.
Superman 2 the film that messed with brain. Superman has powers! Zod is a warrior with powers! Superman loses his powers and gets beat up by a truck driver! Superman gets powers back and fights three warriors with same powers as him. Same with man of steel. Zod is an expert in fighting. Yet can't beat superman who has no fighting skill just power. So as equals zod is more capable.
Nice vid brother. Looks like super heroes can´t defeat the greatest vilain of all: The Super EGO of directors and executives.
The scene at the beginning when the villain kryptonians kill the astronauts on the moon gave me nightmares for YEARS when I was a kid. A pretty horrible way to go if you ask me.
Ouff yeah - floating away in space
I always loved Superman II. I didn't know the story of the development until years later. Great video. 🦸♂️
Yeah as a kid I had no idea at all. Only learned this stuff when I got Superman - The Movie on DVD.
This Joblo, narrator guy.... I heard he learned the English language under the tutelage of Microsoft Sam..... I believe it
I still haven't watch the Donner Cut, it is on my list. As a kid did loved the theatrical cut of course ;-)
1 hour of it is never before seen footage.
WB seems to have a history of this then... Wont they learn?
With the hit Donner had helped the movie become, I'd have thought they'd have put up with him again long enough to get a second gem made. It probably would've led to a better 3rd movie too making an actually worthy 3rd. Though I do think I prefer the theatrical ending. I just wish Reeve had gotten to teamup with Keatens Batman. Hopefully the new comic, Superman '78 will cross with Batman '89, or at least not take the sad sequals' paths
Well, he IS Superman. Maybe a super-human tolerance to extreme temperatures is just an undiscovered power?
Some inaccuracies but overall an enjoyable vid.
I’ve just never been able to accept anyone other than Reeves as Superman. Try as I might.
Man. This is like a semi Bizzaro world version of what happened with Justice League.
I love how the angrier General Zod gets, the more Terence Stamp's cockney accent comes out: "You will bow down before me! You CAAHHHNT!"
I disagree with the end scene and the bully trucker. That guy was not a sweet fellow before he met Clark and going back in time wouldn't change that. True he didn't know who Clark was but to me it serves as putting the guy in his place.
Ive been working on a fan edit all year. Theres other great fan edits out there too. Ill never watch either OFFICIAL version again. This film desperately needs a proper cut and since WB wont do it, just do it yourself if you're a huge fan.
Yeah an edit of the two would be best
I'd love to see your edit, where/when are you uploading it?
@@TheGreg6466
Its 95% done. Its purely a re-edit. No special effects upgrades. Its actually 4 hours & 8 minutes long because i combined S1 & S2 so fans can see the story properly.
If your interested i guess just write down my name and check back. Next few months....
@@integrity101 cool, thanks.
Ubvermensch's sigil isn't cellophane. It's Golden Smart DNA.
The Donner cut is ridiculous.
Despite this version being great, I prefer the Donner Cut. It feels like a continuation of the first film and the vibe is the same. And although there are fun parts, I prefer the campiness to be absent, like in Donner's version.
It never would have made sense for the spinning the world backwards in both films. If Donner had stayed on, I'm sure they would have come up with a different ending. They actually stole that idea to use it in the first movie. Can't remember what that ending was supposed to be instead, but I'm sure even the first film would have been better had the producers not decided to rush it out.
I believe the original ending of the first film was that Superman saved Lois in time and showing the missile that he threw into space exploding and releasing the 3 Kyptonians . And the movie ends on a Cliffhanger of the 3 Kryptonians heading towards earth
@@shirleeeldridge1053 but how would he have stopped both missiles?
@@robgronotte1 don't quote me but the first missle is the one that's headed for Hackensack, and he throws into space and that's the one that explodes and releases Zod, Non,and Ursa. From what I remember hearing was that the second missle still hits California and he still rescues everyone. The only difference was that he actually arrived in time to save Lois and she never died in the earthquake. At the end they make a little joke about Hertz rental cars. I heard it on a commentary on a DVD once, not sure which one. But it would make sense that they added the turning the world around to make a more sensational ending.
The Donner Cut improves almost everything... Except for the ending.
He reverses time AGAIN??? And erases the entire movie from existence?
*_"MISS TESSMACHERRRRRRR!!!"_*
Terence Stamp didn't appear in smallville it was just his voice
Then he appeared.
I still hate that he kneeled to Zod
what is David Leanish?
Oh David Lean.. I see. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Lean
The hypnosis was a talent honed, not a power.
This narrator rules!
Yeah Tyler rocks.
The Donner Cut never got enough money pumped into it. There are better fan edits online
Yea ive got a few myself
@@integrity101 what fan edits do you have
@@alecthom4001
Final cut is NOT my edit. Just to be clear.
The only two things that bother me about The Donner Cut are: 1) that Superman and Lois get intimate before he loses his powers, and 2) that Superman once again resorts to turn time back by the end. Aside from those two things, it is the better film out of the two. Still, the Theatrical Cut isn't a bad film.
Well technically Superman the character reverses time once. When he reverses it in Donner 2 its continuing from a part 1 where Lois didnt die.
You could easily swap out the earth spin from 2 and replace it with the Flag white house ending if u choose. Thats what i did.
@@integrity101 Interesting point.
About Superman and Lois sleeping together before he loses his powers, that I believe was to service the plot of Superman Returns
@@jordel2010
Make a fan edit. Its surprisingly easy. Just swap out the ending.
Lois using Blanks is WAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYY better than Lester's garbage version where Clark trips into the fire...
The blanks actually make Lois look intelligent, that she did figure it out... not by accident from Clark tripping.
Zod is the single greatest acting performance ever. Even better than lex luthor
wasn't there 3 superman's? and more batmans?
Christopher Reeves on "Monsignor" was awesome. LOL
*Reeve
you're right, reeve
I definitely prefer how Lois finds out and uses blanks as opposed to Clark tripping and falling into a fire. That’s dumb. Why would Clark do this!?
Because he was conflicted. She was going on and on about how she felt like a fool, plus there was another subtle subplot going on too.
Clark didn't necessarily want to be Superman anymore because he had grown up as a human on a farm. Superman II really examined the humanity of supes, and how much he wanted to fall in love and be a regular guy.
He learnt eventually that he can't throw away his powers and responsibilities, that at his core he's an empath that wants to help people, and as Superman, he's the only one who could protect humanity from Zod-level threats, hence the memory-erasing kiss in the end, bringing that internal conflict full circle.
Tripping over the log was him taking a leap of faith, which sadly backfired.
@@hiranom20 hey thanks for replying. I understand the plot and applaud the effort. I do believe Raimi got this right with Spider-man 2, but I still don’t buy that Clark would do this.
I thought maybe it was a subconscious act, but alas, I just can’t get there. I’m sticking with the Donner cut. It’s not perfect but I prefer this version of Lois. I believe this version is the Pulitzer Prize winning journalist who is smart, take risks and gets results.
@@keithwalker3989 True. I don't disagree. Raimi DEFINITELY did the concept better. It only took me watching Superman II as an adult to pull out that analysis.
The Raimi series definitely was inspired by the Donnerverse. And in SM2 it was pretty clear what the conflict was and how it was resolved.
Supposedly there is a third ending where the Zod trio get arrested by Arctic authorities but I can’t find this ending. There are people the third ending exists but my Donner cut Blu-ray has the sin world around ending.
I'm pretty sure that's on the deleted scenes section of the Donner Cut blu-ray and I think the DVD as well.
Yea its the ending Donner shot. It was most likely removed for pacing
Bottom line is...Lester killed the Superman franchise for almost 20 years. Way to go the Salkinds!