Although not released in theaters, The Richard Donner Cut deserves a fair shake and would receive fewer "sins" because it removes a lot of the odd superpowers, silly comedic moments, and has Brando to fill in missing gaps and makes an explanation of Superman's regained powers. Love that DVD. Donner comes out to talk about what you're going to see, calls you "friends" because if you bought the DVD it means you care the same way he does about this amazing and beloved superhero! 🥰
The three bad guys didn’t technically want to kill the humans, for crying out loud! It’s almost laughable, in fact, that they went after the villains with bats , pretty much! Haha. Not to mention, if they had, in fact, killed Superman, do these dummies really think they stand a chance?! I’m on the side of the humans but, come on. They might as well have gone after those 3 with pencils or feathers. That would be about as effective:) but can we all agree that that sequence of the 3 of them blowing those people was pretty great! This is the best Superman movie. And he wins in the end;) yay
There actually was a boy who went over the falls around the time this movie was made. He was fishing with his dad and sister when their boat got caught in the current. Dad and daughter made it to shore but the boy missed the shore and went over. He survived and was rescued by a maid of the mist ship. That story is everywhere in Niagara Falls even today. Superman is not mentioned.
When I was a kid, I wondered why after Superman gave up his powers, he was suddenly in a normal shirt and pants, yet when Zod and co. lost theirs, they were still in their regular clothes.
The green car driving on the wrong side of the road, is due to an extended deleted scene in Superman The Movie... when Lex Luthor flips the car over remotely, to set the scene for the fake car accident with Eve Teschmacher... in the extended deleted scene.... Otis was remote controlling the car, and Lex Luthor says to him... "Otis are you from England? Otis replies no Mr Luthor" Lex responds why are you driving on the left side of the road" right before snatching it off Otis. It was stock footage from the first film used again for that scene in Superman II.
Or at least fucking flip the film. There's practically nothing (except perhaps the place of the license plate) in any of the frames that would indicate it was flipped.
You missed a really good reference at the 12:57 mark when Lex Luthor says something about "going the distance." You totally could've played the song by Cake (The Distance). Hell, I even kinda figured you would've done it.
I just watched this, and you guys were WAY too kind to this movie. There's a bunch more sins: 1. Why does the entire council say "guilty" if the first guy was able to speak for the council? You don’t need to get every juror’s personal opinion when the spokesman says they find the defendant guilty. 2. The French people speak English to each other and French to Lois Lane 3. How the crap does Clark WALK his suit on? 4. You can’t have an explosion in space. No oxygen. 5. Zod shouldn’t be able to talk on the moon. No air, no sound. 6. Chick obviously deliberately walks into Clark in the chief editor’s office, since she turns around with plenty of room to see him. 7. How do you build a hologram emitter in prison? 8. Where did Luthor and the girl come up with the coats when they were flying around in the hot hair balloon? And how did they get to the Fortress of Solitude in a hot air balloon in two days? 9. Zod totally used the Force to take that guy’s gun. 10. WEIRDLY specific instructions about explosions or whatever freeing Zod from prison. And why did they build the prison with that weakness in the first place? 11. Superman is clearly not flying Lois at supersonic speeds, so how do they get to the Fortress of Solitude in whatever amount of time the do? 12. How do the villains instinctively know exactly what powers they have the first time they use them? 13. Where did Lois’s hot nightgown come from? 14. What are the random silver hand-lasers? 15. How did Superman know he could rig the de-Supermanizer to work outside the box when he just found out about the thing? 16. HOW THE CRAP CAN SUPERMAN INDUCE AMNESIA. 17. Why does Superman take his meal to go if the whole point was that the dude was sitting in his favorite seat? 18. Superman straight-up tries to murder Lex by leaving him at the Fortress of Solitude. 19. Why does no one search for Lex after he's broken out of prison? How does no one recognize him and arrest him again? 20. Clothes and capes should not be flapping in space like there's wind. Probably more, but I didn't write them down as I watched the movie, only as your video reminded me of them. Negative sins: - 1. There’s the sound of Clark putting coins down on the hot dog stand. - 2. Since the branch is buoyant, it’ll keep Lois afloat instead of going underwater.
+Idazmi7 1. Good point, but the fact that the guy says something like "The council has no hesitation in declaring you guilty" or whatever indicates that the vote already IS unanimous. And if he's just speaking for himself and still needs everyone's vote, then he shouldn't say "the council" like he's speaking for all of them. 4. Oh, snap. Didn't know that. 7. Yeah, but Tony was actually given resources and tools. What did Lex have to work with? 9/14. Oh. Well, it was still random. We never see it before other than for flying, and no one would guess that's what was actually causing it. 15. Ehhhhh . . . you seem to be a greater authority on Superman than I am, so I guess I have to take your word for this, but . . . he's never struck me as a genius. 16. Yeah, but seriously . . . how. 17. Okay.
4. Yes, you can have nuclear explosions in space. They actually outlawed it due to concerns about effects on the atmosphere and, you know, radiation. 7. Because he's Lex Frikkin' Luthor, Criminal Genius.
#2 the french are notoriously dicks to foreigners especially Americans. Shows and movies typically everyone speaks English except when the plot calls for it.
David J. McGee You certainly caught a Lot about Superman! This was 1 of my Favorite movies growing up...Now that I'm older, i can see flaws and inconsistencies. You didn't mention that Zod and company were dressed like something out of Eastern European pornography! Why the low cut outfits ...even on the guys? Why do they have British accents if they came from a far off galaxy in deep space? How could they talk in outer space...no oxygen....no atmosphere... An explosion in outer space? Even so, it would have taken at least 70 years or so for the crystal phantom zone prison to shatter! Why was the moon the first rock they landed on? Why did they draw energy from the Earth....a planet Very Different from Krypton!!
According to Kryptonian law, the council verdict had to be unanimous. In the first movie, Jor-El was the last member of the council to pass the verdict - doing so by activating the Phantom Zone portal.
Superman does the disappear/reappear thing at the Fortress of Solitude and says, "We used to do this at school." Dude you went to school in Kansas. 'We' who?
@@jermainebeal4460 🔴 Actually if you turn the volume up on the movie you can hear coins hitting the counter like he may have tossed some change on the counter to pay for them I'm not sure though it does look like he just took them and walked away.
When I was 7 or 8 years old, ABC showed Superman II during its Sunday Night Movie feature and I swear that there was an added scene where Superman steals the hot dogs, then realizes that he's SUPERMAN, and turns around and leaves a few bucks there. I may be mistaken though. Maybe my 7 year old mind couldn't fathom my favorite hero being a thief! :)
actually, in a deleted scene a very long time ago, when Kent grabbed those hot dogs, he turns and walks away and realizes he didnt pay, he snaps his fingers and turns and drops a few bucks on the counter
8:05 - 8:10 The scene where Superman flies to the rainforest was shot on the Caribbean island of Saint Lucia, where I am originally from. I remember I was 10 years old at the time and it was all over the news that this part of SUPERMAN II would be shot at Diamond Falls in Saint Lucia.
President: What I do now, I do for the sake of the people of Earth. But there is one man on this planet who will NEVER kneel before you. General Zod: Who is this imbecile? Where is he?
I think that was part of Superman's plan to make himself look stupid so Zod would believe he had the upper hand and Kal'El had no options left. I could be wrong though and the screenwriters were just that dumb.
@@SovereignStatesman But did he go back in time far enough to stop the detonation, or just far enough to save Lois while his past self was minimizing the damage in the coast? I honestly can't remember; it's been so long.
Others cost more money and she did not make that much Lex Luthor likes to keep most of the money for himself. Why she didn't just get a job somewhere else also did not make sense and how did she forgot Lex tried to kill her family in first Superman movie?
Yeah, that was funny. It would've been even funnier if Superman had the bad timing and showed up and said 'I am that imbecile....no, wait. That's not what I meant!
The Fortress of Solitude is pretty much like the Batcave, in there Superman keeps his uniform, the city of Kandor, statues of his parents, the ship he came in to earth, his diary, his robots serves, a kriptonian battlesuit, an alien zoo, a lab, Krypto, the columbia space shuttle, the Titanic, a sun eating monster, a Anti-bizarro ray, the red sun chamber, the phantom zone projector, the legion of superheroes ring, a dinosaur sculpture, alien guns, Supergirl room, his trophy room and a large key
Love how there's no sin for Louis and Superman casually killing Zod and his cronies but when Supes does the same thing in MOS to Zod hell bent on killing a family, everyone loses their shit.
Agreed. Although in an extended TV version (or possibly just a deleted scene) it shows the 3 Kryptonians later alive and being escorted from the Fortress of Solitude by police, which is kind of funny but makes sense. But since that didn't make the main theatrical cut, is it actually canon? Most viewers know nothing of this and assume they were killed after no longer being a threat. Sure, nobody would feel sorry for them but that's still not Supes' style, let alone Lois.
+fife007 - When I was 8 years old I thought "throwing the Superman symbol" was awesome. Then I turned 9 and realized it made zero sense. Also, the hologram Superman made even less sense. And if the hologram power alone wasn't bad enough, they had him say a line in the theatrical cut that he used to play a hologram game as a kid, and that he never was very good at it. (?) I mean, did the screenwriter forget for a moment that Superman didn't grow up on Krypton? So Superman and the other Superkids used to play tag using holograms? God, this movie was sooooooo lame.
Superman is stronger than the other Kryptonians because he has been absorbing the Sun's rays for years while they have only been absorbing for a few days
+Kuroki Tomoko but according to the lore, aren't Zod and his group conquerors/explorers who have been travelling to many planets in the galaxy in search of resources so they in effect should have more power because they have absorbed the energy of many suns in the universe.
Kuroki Tomoko agreed but that would be nitpicking. the kryptonians must have travelled to 100s of planets which in turn would have meant that lot of suns along the way. Plus don't all suns emit energy albeit at different wavelengths.
In Richard Donner's cut, he's even better. He has superpowers and shit, but still in the Whitehouse sequence he instead chooses to shot off an AK-47, just for laughs.... Man, what a badass villain he was!
Personally, I LOVE "Superman II" and the first one. I didn't like "Superman III" and "IV" because the plots were not very good. I hope CinemaSins will do segments on them someday.
Me, too. Can't wait to hear from CinemaSins about Superman III with that Red Kryptonite, the tower turning straight, the transforming into a bionic woman (probably an earlier and scarier version of T-X like CinemaSins said David Banner turned into T-1000) and Superman's so-called adventure in Superman IV.
The scenes with Brando where better than anything anyone could have ever hoped or expected prior to the '06 release. Almost justified his $10 million dollar paycheck alone in that holo-death scene.
It's definitely better, but it still has all the "major" things wrong with it that people say are wrong with "Man of Steel", including Superman fighting in a crowded city and killing Zod.
Colliric: The original version is still better than the Donner cut, but the Brando scenes are really good. Brando may have been worth the $12 million but in spite of the success of the first movie, the Salkind's were still in a financial bind and still owed creditors $25 million from the first one, so that $13 million meant a whole lot to them. I wish Brando had been in the original cut, but I do understand why they cut his scenes.
Another thing. If Luthor used Kryptonite on Superman in the first movie, then why didn't Luthor think of keeping Kryptonite with him around Zod, Ursa, and Non? It would have been his strongest defense against them, so why didn't Luthor keep any?
glossed over a huge sin: Superman flys lois to the Fortress of Solitude which is in the middle of nowhere, loses his powers, and suddenly they're driving back home?
When Ursa picks up the snake it bites her and she grabs her hand in pain. If she is Super Ursa a) The bite would not have hurt b) The snake's teeth would not have been able to puncture her skin.
Fun thing I missed until seeing the Donner cut: Lois and Clark are in Niagra Falls, but aren't shown getting their assignment. It only happens in Donner's cut, which also has Lois realizing Supe's real name. To prove the point she jumps out the Planet's window!
having worked in a few pubs in the boonies I can answer one of the many many many questions you had about this movie. The Hot beef/Hamburger/turkey are hot sandwiches. It's just gravy + protein heated up in a pan and put between two slices of bread usually. Hot Liver sandwich sounds zany to me but who knows! Also, frank onions is probably a sausage with onions. HUZZAH!
OMG THIS IS HILARIOUS and so true!!! But I will always love Superman II and regard it as one of my favorite sequels. Can't help it, I grew up on this movie and had the BIGGEST crush on Christopher Reeve.
"I won't let you down again." Actually, you did, since Superman Returns is a direct sequel to Superman II, and, in it, he just came back after five years away. Should be a retrospective sin.
@@tiberiushazo6326 In the way Singer literally said it is a sequel only to Donner's movies. As in 1 and the Donner Cut of 2. Granted, it is technically not a sequel to either since it takes place in the mid 2000s yet claims Superman II's events only happened 5 years prior. Not to mention Lois Lane looking way younger than she ever did in previous films.
darkstar100x I’d never heard that he said that before. Why not just make it it’s own thing? I mean it doesn’t really seem like there’s anything from Superman Returns that directly relates to those first two movies that aren’t in the comic books or anything. It could easily be its own movie.
So which is worse, those astronauts still sitting up there on the moon dead and looking like those dead astronauts in Gravity, or Superman giving the diner bully a shattered hand and fractured skull?
I too wondered about the astronauts on the moon. It would have been a nice touch if Superman spun the moon around to reverse time to bring them back to life, or retrieved their bodes and was seen at their funeral.
I loved these movies as a child, mostly because my father and Christopher Reeve could've been twins. Basically grew up secretly hoping dad was Superman.
Paraphrasing my personal most sinful scene Zod: "Kill him." Lex: "Me? Kill me? The smartest supervillain in the world? You really want to kill me?" Audience: "YES!"
I would add there is no explanation for the trio having the extra white beams of telekenesis that come from their fingers power. And that they can talk and hear in the vacuum of space. And that not only were they somehow close enough to Earth to be freed, but the Moon just happened to be in the right place at the right time for them to land on it.
The weirdest thing in this whole movie to me was the green and blue condiment thingys and the mini-versions! I mean, WTF? Watching this made me happy 😃
That VeggieTales reference at the end was gold! HAHA, and the Incredibles. Top notch movie referencing there. Or wait... Was The Incredibles referencing this!? :O Most likely.
I'm really surprised you didn't DING it for the bad guys talking on the moon ABOUT ATMOSPHERE despite the moon having none. You know, that medium necessary for the transmission of sound waves, yadda yadda?
4:16 Dude, you cannot steer a balloon! One sin ommitted- that's a sin of omission, and people weng to Hell fr it! Also, how do they hear each other on the MOON??
“Please suh, please put my daddy down! And while you’re at it, please suh may I have some mawre?” In case you don’t get it the second line is a reference to “Oliver!” You’re so right! How British can you get! Ha! Ha! Ha!
If I remember correctly, during the fight in Metropolis, the Kryptonians are about to throw a bus and Christopher Reeve can be seen almost laughing when he says, "No! Don't do it! The people!"
I remember that vividly and you're correct, sir! When I saw him smiling when he said that I thought it was funny and it almost was as if he was purposely teasing them to throw the damn bus... 😊
Jim Walker Its been stated before that Superman's powers make him immune to all earthly pathogens, because his powers overpower the disease before it can affect his system. No powers means that he doesn't have that defence anymore. You could argue that the since they were in the Arctic that the extreme weather conditions killed off all pathogens, and that the Fortress of Solitude 'cleanses' any humans that enter, but that wouldn't matter once he got back to America.
@smith lovy it's extremely random. What does being well known have to do with it? it's the man's place of business. Do you have random framed photos of famous comedians on your office wall? 'why do you have a picture of Bill Burr on your wall Smith?' well, it's because he's well known you see.
"But there is one man here on Earth who will never kneel before you." "I will find him." "He's-" "I will find him." "..." "..." "His name is--" "I WILL FIND HIM!"
+LapDog95 I heard that the R-rated cut will extend the scene a bit, so Batman subdues Superman with the almost if not more horrifying Batman & Robin, the true Kryptonite of the DCU, but with a last ounce of strength and another face morph (this time as George Reeves) is able to get up and overpower Batman by holding him down and forcing him to watch Superman IV.
I like your "outtakes" at the end. I'd appreciate them even more if you listed the movies from which you got the dialog for them. Some seem worth watching!
With Superman's reflexes, there's no way he could accidentally stumble and fall into the fireplace. Intentionally stumble to keep up the Clark Kent act, sure. Fall into the fireplace, perhaps a desire to be found out. Also, for talking on the moon, Superman (and so other Kryptonians) has super-ventriloquism. No, seriously.
Super ventriloquism allows him to throw his voice to where he wants, sure, but it still requires an atmosphere for the sound to travel through, which does not exist on the moon.
@@SomeGuyNamedJason I would retcon that to give them the ability to "send" telepathically. Their lips moving as they do would be like how some people move their lips when reading quietly.
The Richard Donner cut is far better as it doesn't have the stupid 'comedy', Lois tricks Clark into revealing he's Superman by shooting at him with blanks, it has Zod mowing people down with a machine gun and it shows Zod & co getting arrested at the end so you know Supes hasn't straight up murdered them.
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Although not released in theaters, The Richard Donner Cut deserves a fair shake and would receive fewer "sins" because it removes a lot of the odd superpowers, silly comedic moments, and has Brando to fill in missing gaps and makes an explanation of Superman's regained powers. Love that DVD. Donner comes out to talk about what you're going to see, calls you "friends" because if you bought the DVD it means you care the same way he does about this amazing and beloved superhero! 🥰
Neil, before Zod. They never explained who Neil was and why he gets to go first.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Neil Young before Zod Powderfinger, the back up rhythm guitar player for Crazy Horse
😂😂😂😂 Man this is the funniest comment in this hole section. You deserve A Sin Off.
Neil Breen. Zod can't hurt Neil Breen. Breen eliminated 300 million humans. In human terms, he killed them all.
Vince Neil. Surname starts with N, so he's on the food line before General Dru Zod, whose surname starts with Z.
Hence, Neil before Zod.
you forgot a sin. The crowd yells, "They killed Superman. Let's GET HIM!" instead of, "They killed Superman. HOLY SHIT RUN!"
+Phil V If they are dumb enough to think Superman died from that, they are dumb enough to think they can kill those that killed Superman
Lol. Yeah, they kicked Superman's ass, but we humans can take them!!
You would be amazing at cinema sins!
Phil V LOL, that's exactly what would happen. They would be outta there!!!
The three bad guys didn’t technically want to kill the humans, for crying out loud! It’s almost laughable, in fact, that they went after the villains with bats , pretty much! Haha. Not to mention, if they had, in fact, killed Superman, do these dummies really think they stand a chance?! I’m on the side of the humans but, come on. They might as well have gone after those 3 with pencils or feathers. That would be about as effective:) but can we all agree that that sequence of the 3 of them blowing those people was pretty great! This is the best Superman movie. And he wins in the end;) yay
10:10 or how Clark and Lois got back from the arctic without any vehicles available now that Clark lost his powers
Good Question!!
No💩❓
The drove back in a car
Santa
Biggest sin ever lol
There actually was a boy who went over the falls around the time this movie was made. He was fishing with his dad and sister when their boat got caught in the current. Dad and daughter made it to shore but the boy missed the shore and went over. He survived and was rescued by a maid of the mist ship. That story is everywhere in Niagara Falls even today. Superman is not mentioned.
When I was a kid, I wondered why after Superman gave up his powers, he was suddenly in a normal shirt and pants, yet when Zod and co. lost theirs, they were still in their regular clothes.
There is one force in the universe that even Zod and his cronies can't defeat. The Budget lol
The green car driving on the wrong side of the road, is due to an extended deleted scene in Superman The Movie... when Lex Luthor flips the car over remotely, to set the scene for the fake car accident with Eve Teschmacher... in the extended deleted scene.... Otis was remote controlling the car, and Lex Luthor says to him... "Otis are you from England? Otis replies no Mr Luthor" Lex responds why are you driving on the left side of the road" right before snatching it off Otis. It was stock footage from the first film used again for that scene in Superman II.
APRICEPRODUCTION pretty cheap they couldn’t film a new car driving on right side lol
I didn't know they were that cheap to reuse footage from an extended and DELETED scene lol
Or at least fucking flip the film. There's practically nothing (except perhaps the place of the license plate) in any of the frames that would indicate it was flipped.
lol
Well now since the 3 hour cut is out on blu ray we can all see it in the first film lol
President: "God."
"No. Zod."
Best line in the movie 🤘🤣
The actor then, goes on to play, zigfried
Within the movie, get smart
AOC: "Kneel before Squad".
No. The greatest line was lex Luthor saying “ with all this technological knowledge, when will these dummies learn to use the doorknob
Kneel before ZOD!
Pretty awesome line , even tho he says it over and over. Terrance Stamp is amazing in everything he's in.
"I've never seen garbage eat garbage" is the best line from the movie.
You missed a really good reference at the 12:57 mark when Lex Luthor says something about "going the distance." You totally could've played the song by Cake (The Distance). Hell, I even kinda figured you would've done it.
+Erik Weiss k
+Erik Weiss - you're gay
Or a song from Hercules.
+ztslovebird Lol that was my first thought
+Erik Weiss They also missed the ad for EVITA on a bus going by shortly after that...
I just watched this, and you guys were WAY too kind to this movie. There's a bunch more sins:
1. Why does the entire council say "guilty" if the first guy was able to speak for the council? You don’t need to get every juror’s personal opinion when the spokesman says they find the defendant guilty.
2. The French people speak English to each other and French to Lois Lane
3. How the crap does Clark WALK his suit on?
4. You can’t have an explosion in space. No oxygen.
5. Zod shouldn’t be able to talk on the moon. No air, no sound.
6. Chick obviously deliberately walks into Clark in the chief editor’s office, since she turns around with plenty of room to see him.
7. How do you build a hologram emitter in prison?
8. Where did Luthor and the girl come up with the coats when they were flying around in the hot hair balloon? And how did they get to the Fortress of Solitude in a hot air balloon in two days?
9. Zod totally used the Force to take that guy’s gun.
10. WEIRDLY specific instructions about explosions or whatever freeing Zod from prison. And why did they build the prison with that weakness in the first place?
11. Superman is clearly not flying Lois at supersonic speeds, so how do they get to the Fortress of Solitude in whatever amount of time the do?
12. How do the villains instinctively know exactly what powers they have the first time they use them?
13. Where did Lois’s hot nightgown come from?
14. What are the random silver hand-lasers?
15. How did Superman know he could rig the de-Supermanizer to work outside the box when he just found out about the thing?
16. HOW THE CRAP CAN SUPERMAN INDUCE AMNESIA.
17. Why does Superman take his meal to go if the whole point was that the dude was sitting in his favorite seat?
18. Superman straight-up tries to murder Lex by leaving him at the Fortress of Solitude.
19. Why does no one search for Lex after he's broken out of prison? How does no one recognize him and arrest him again?
20. Clothes and capes should not be flapping in space like there's wind.
Probably more, but I didn't write them down as I watched the movie, only as your video reminded me of them.
Negative sins:
- 1. There’s the sound of Clark putting coins down on the hot dog stand.
- 2. Since the branch is buoyant, it’ll keep Lois afloat instead of going underwater.
+Idazmi7
1. Good point, but the fact that the guy says something like "The council has no hesitation in declaring you guilty" or whatever indicates that the vote already IS unanimous. And if he's just speaking for himself and still needs everyone's vote, then he shouldn't say "the council" like he's speaking for all of them.
4. Oh, snap. Didn't know that.
7. Yeah, but Tony was actually given resources and tools. What did Lex have to work with?
9/14. Oh. Well, it was still random. We never see it before other than for flying, and no one would guess that's what was actually causing it.
15. Ehhhhh . . . you seem to be a greater authority on Superman than I am, so I guess I have to take your word for this, but . . . he's never struck me as a genius.
16. Yeah, but seriously . . . how.
17. Okay.
4. Yes, you can have nuclear explosions in space. They actually outlawed it due to concerns about effects on the atmosphere and, you know, radiation.
7. Because he's Lex Frikkin' Luthor, Criminal Genius.
#2 the french are notoriously dicks to foreigners especially Americans. Shows and movies typically everyone speaks English except when the plot calls for it.
David J. McGee You certainly caught a Lot about Superman!
This was 1 of my Favorite movies growing up...Now that I'm older, i can see flaws and inconsistencies.
You didn't mention that Zod and company were dressed like something out of Eastern European pornography!
Why the low cut outfits ...even on the guys?
Why do they have British accents if they came from a far off galaxy in deep space?
How could they talk in outer space...no oxygen....no atmosphere...
An explosion in outer space?
Even so, it would have taken at least 70 years or so for the crystal phantom zone prison to shatter!
Why was the moon the first rock they landed on?
Why did they draw energy from the Earth....a planet Very Different from Krypton!!
According to Kryptonian law, the council verdict had to be unanimous. In the first movie, Jor-El was the last member of the council to pass the verdict - doing so by activating the Phantom Zone portal.
Slipping a Veggietales reference into a Cinemasins video? FILM REFERENCE SKILLS LV99.
It was so much better with Jor-El giving Superman his powers back. He sacrificed himself for his son, so it was a touching moment as well.
The only scene that is better than the lester version
Superman does the disappear/reappear thing at the Fortress of Solitude and says, "We used to do this at school."
Dude you went to school in Kansas. 'We' who?
Nice...I never caught that, seen Superman 11 a hundred times.
Legend is that they are still looking for clark kent to pay for those hotdogs he stole.
@@jermainebeal4460 🔴 Actually if you turn the volume up on the movie you can hear coins hitting the counter like he may have tossed some change on the counter to pay for them I'm not sure though it does look like he just took them and walked away.
maybe with lana & pete
He probably means hide and seak dont pay to much attention to it. Its a oooold movie, it cant be perfect.
I love how this guy is able to squeeze in references to Star Wars, Indiana Jones, and/or Harry Potter in literally everything he does.
I can't stop laughing at Superman stealing two hot dogs...ILMFAO
When I was 7 or 8 years old, ABC showed Superman II during its Sunday Night Movie feature and I swear that there was an added scene where Superman steals the hot dogs, then realizes that he's SUPERMAN, and turns around and leaves a few bucks there. I may be mistaken though. Maybe my 7 year old mind couldn't fathom my favorite hero being a thief! :)
+Frank Orozco, Jr. I've seen that version.
Thanks for bringing that up. I recall that scene as well.
+Frank Orozco, Jr. i didn't see hom leave money
actually, in a deleted scene a very long time ago, when Kent grabbed those hot dogs, he turns and walks away and realizes he didnt pay, he snaps his fingers and turns and drops a few bucks on the counter
8:05 - 8:10 The scene where Superman flies to the rainforest was shot on the Caribbean island of Saint Lucia, where I am originally from. I remember I was 10 years old at the time and it was all over the news that this part of SUPERMAN II would be shot at Diamond Falls in Saint Lucia.
10.02 Terence Stamp's performance worth taking a sin off. Brilliant!
I felt he should've taken off 10 sins
President: What I do now, I do for the sake of the people of Earth. But there is one man on this planet who will NEVER kneel before you.
General Zod: Who is this imbecile? Where is he?
I still love this movie from when I first watched it as a kid! cinema nostalgia!
Kneel Before Zod .
This line is epic , although Superman is an iconic hero .
You missed the biggest sin of all, firing Richard Donner in the middle of the movie.
He hinted at it during the opening credits
The 2nd biggest sin?Composer Ken Thorne's horrible, butchering of John Williams beautiful score from the 1st Super Man movie.
Yep. I think Richard Lester made it too reliant on the comedic aspect. Which is even more apparent in Part 3.
EPIC SIN
I still think this was the best Superman of all.
Need to add Superman whispering to Lex Luther when Zod has super hearing makes no sense.
Superman also has super whispering.
I think that was part of Superman's plan to make himself look stupid so Zod would believe he had the upper hand and Kal'El had no options left. I could be wrong though and the screenwriters were just that dumb.
PMSL
Erm, he WANTED Zod to hear, same as he wanted Luthor to betray him.
I thought that as a kid
Lex Luthor escapes from prison in the slowest moving aircraft ever invented.
And since they were in prison for an act of terrorism, they should have been escaping from a heavily fortified death row as well.
@@nowthatsjustducky ATTEMPTED terrorism. Superman reversed time and so the plot was foiled.
@@SovereignStatesman But did he go back in time far enough to stop the detonation, or just far enough to save Lois while his past self was minimizing the damage in the coast?
I honestly can't remember; it's been so long.
Others cost more money and she did not make that much Lex Luthor likes to keep most of the money for himself. Why she didn't just get a job somewhere else also did not make sense and how did she forgot Lex tried to kill her family in first Superman movie?
"Lex Luthor escapes from prison in the slowest moving aircraft ever invented."
The quietest too.
"Who is this imbecile?" - That line is hilarious lol
Yeah, that was funny.
It would've been even funnier if Superman had the bad timing and showed up and said 'I am that imbecile....no, wait. That's not what I meant!
The British empire doesn't seem to have ended on krypton and that's some distance
@@blackSUAAAVE hahah
I can't say enough about how great Terrence Stamp was in this movie! Even his name is awesome 😁
In the Daily Planet offices, to Luthor: "Why do you say this to me? When you know that I will kill you for it?" 😂😂
The Fortress of Solitude is pretty much like the Batcave, in there Superman keeps his uniform, the city of Kandor, statues of his parents, the ship he came in to earth, his diary, his robots serves, a kriptonian battlesuit, an alien zoo, a lab, Krypto, the columbia space shuttle, the Titanic, a sun eating monster, a Anti-bizarro ray, the red sun chamber, the phantom zone projector, the legion of superheroes ring, a dinosaur sculpture, alien guns, Supergirl room, his trophy room and a large key
Love how there's no sin for Louis and Superman casually killing Zod and his cronies but when Supes does the same thing in MOS to Zod hell bent on killing a family, everyone loses their shit.
Cause original Superman is OG! Even goes back to truck stop to get revenge!
@@heartless604 So, no real reason for why this gets an exception. Just bias. Gotcha.
Agreed. Although in an extended TV version (or possibly just a deleted scene) it shows the 3 Kryptonians later alive and being escorted from the Fortress of Solitude by police, which is kind of funny but makes sense. But since that didn't make the main theatrical cut, is it actually canon? Most viewers know nothing of this and assume they were killed after no longer being a threat. Sure, nobody would feel sorry for them but that's still not Supes' style, let alone Lois.
@@thefilmwatcher1302 just I’m thinking it’s bots that start that shit, I loved man of steel!
that's how Superman is going to defeat Batman by throwing his symbol at him!
or by showing batman superman 4 the quest for peace
ha ha! That symbol-throwing was sucky in retrospect.
Yeah😂😂😂
+fife007 - When I was 8 years old I thought "throwing the Superman symbol" was awesome. Then I turned 9 and realized it made zero sense. Also, the hologram Superman made even less sense. And if the hologram power alone wasn't bad enough, they had him say a line in the theatrical cut that he used to play a hologram game as a kid, and that he never was very good at it. (?) I mean, did the screenwriter forget for a moment that Superman didn't grow up on Krypton? So Superman and the other Superkids used to play tag using holograms? God, this movie was sooooooo lame.
Exactly
Best line not shown here: "Why do you say this to me, when you know I will kill you for it?"
I agree here 100%, me and my brother used to say it to each other all the time back in the day😆
I liked "Is there anybody on this planet that can even challenge me?!!!!" Or "I win, I always win!"
Now he would say "Why do you say this to me, when you know I will have your Twitter account closed for it?"
That, and "Who is this imbecile?" I love those two lines.
I've always asked "How can a snake bite hurt Ursula if she's just as strong as Superman?" LOL
I wonder how many people died while Superman went back to challenge a bully he started the fight with the first time
Superman is stronger than the other Kryptonians because he has been absorbing the Sun's rays for years while they have only been absorbing for a few days
+Kuroki Tomoko but according to the lore, aren't Zod and his group conquerors/explorers who have been travelling to many planets in the galaxy in search of resources so they in effect should have more power because they have absorbed the energy of many suns in the universe.
+Asad the great not all of them were yellow
Kuroki Tomoko agreed but that would be nitpicking. the kryptonians must have travelled to 100s of planets which in turn would have meant that lot of suns along the way. Plus don't all suns emit energy albeit at different wavelengths.
+Asad the great Kryptonians gain power from specifically yellow stars
Kuroki Tomoko ok I see your point but zod and his group may have even found a way to quicken the process.
Terence stamp was incredible as zod.
You shall kneel before Zod!!
You -- and then one day -- YOUR ASS!!!
+ksol1460tv I
In Richard Donner's cut, he's even better. He has superpowers and shit, but still in the Whitehouse sequence he instead chooses to shot off an AK-47, just for laughs.... Man, what a badass villain he was!
Lee Winters I ruined it by being the 70th like
3:19, also the fact that they’re having a conversation in space......without air to make speech possible
I had to rewatch this thanks to Family Guy and CinemaSins because I forgot about Supes throwing his S symbol at Zod...looooooool That was great.
"He's flying, but his cape doesn't know it!" Lol
" KNEEEEEEEEEEEEEL before ZODDD ! ! " = minus 1,000,000 sins !!!!!!
yes
Especially since he was played by Terrence Stamp. :)
Pretty sure that would show up in CinemaWins.
Right on! Stamp's Zod is like Montalban's Kahn. The best villains in movie history!
Also minus 1,000,000 sins for "why do you say this to me, when you know I will kill you for it"
It takes Superman 5 minutes to fly from Metropolis to Paris, but it takes only seconds to him to fly past the moon carrying an elevator. 😀
friction. doesn't want to ignite the atmosphere
Uh, the branch could keep her afloat, preventing drowning. That sounds like a pretty good reason to me.
Personally, I LOVE "Superman II" and the first one. I didn't like "Superman III" and "IV" because the plots were not very good. I hope CinemaSins will do segments on them someday.
III and IV were abominations.
I know and understand. But I still hope that CinemaSins do segments on them someday. Thank you.
I felt that Superman III was pretty good. I didn't like Superman IV tho
Well, I think most people would disagree on "Superman III."
Me, too. Can't wait to hear from CinemaSins about Superman III with that Red Kryptonite, the tower turning straight, the transforming into a bionic woman (probably an earlier and scarier version of T-X like CinemaSins said David Banner turned into T-1000) and Superman's so-called adventure in Superman IV.
The Richard Donner cut of this movie is so much better. If you haven't seen the Donner cut I recommend it for any Superman fan.
+RetroResto true very true
The scenes with Brando where better than anything anyone could have ever hoped or expected prior to the '06 release. Almost justified his $10 million dollar paycheck alone in that holo-death scene.
It's definitely better, but it still has all the "major" things wrong with it that people say are wrong with "Man of Steel", including Superman fighting in a crowded city and killing Zod.
But if I remember correctly, he didn't say "care to step outside" to Zod in that version. Lolol.
Colliric: The original version is still better than the Donner cut, but the Brando scenes are really good. Brando may have been worth the $12 million but in spite of the success of the first movie, the Salkind's were still in a financial bind and still owed creditors $25 million from the first one, so that $13 million meant a whole lot to them. I wish Brando had been in the original cut, but I do understand why they cut his scenes.
Another thing. If Luthor used Kryptonite on Superman in the first movie, then why didn't Luthor think of keeping Kryptonite with him around Zod, Ursa, and Non? It would have been his strongest defense against them, so why didn't Luthor keep any?
Heart B - Why did Neo forget that he could fly into Agent Smith and make him explode?
Maybe the government took it away.
Good point; Luther would have to stop over in Metropolis and find the only kryptonite he knew of, then take on those 3.
Because Agent Smith’s powers adapted to that in the time between the movies
Kryptonite was not everywhere and escape from L5rison and went right to Supermans fortress
One of the funniest CinemaSins episodes in a while
How many people also said "what the fuck" at the same time as he threw the "S" off his chest at Zod?
Actually, he threw it at Non. And yes, I was like 😕 when I saw that.
+KJTV24 First time when I saw it, yeah
KJTV24 IKR?
glossed over a huge sin: Superman flys lois to the Fortress of Solitude which is in the middle of nowhere, loses his powers, and suddenly they're driving back home?
Superman is a thief. He steals cars as well as hotdogs!
Ah well its for the kids are we there yet are we there yet lol
DING!
Actually Superman would be stronger than all three combined. He’s had more time to absorb nourishment from the sun.
When Ursa picks up the snake it bites her and she grabs her hand in pain.
If she is Super Ursa a) The bite would not have hurt
b) The snake's teeth would not have been able to puncture her skin.
It's a reflex - she's only had superpowers for a few hours, and she's obviously pretty vain and probably protective of her skin.
@@CountArtha No, they just fucked up there.
11:46 Superman flinches just because something exploded. TACK ON ONE MORE SIN!
+Mysteries From Beyond He was worried about the parts killing people below.
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Why didn't Supes flinch when the nuke went off early on in the movie?
I think he flinched because he realised how much damage that would cause (that's how i always took it)
Or maybe having laser beams shoot out of his eyes hurts? General Zod had the same problem in Man of Steel.
I want to know HOW Lois and Clark got back from the north pole with Clark being human
With the power of love? that's all I got. it makes about as much sense as the rest of the movie.
AHLifeGame s 😂
Fun thing I missed until seeing the Donner cut: Lois and Clark are in Niagra Falls, but aren't shown getting their assignment. It only happens in Donner's cut, which also has Lois realizing Supe's real name. To prove the point she jumps out the Planet's window!
having worked in a few pubs in the boonies I can answer one of the many many many questions you had about this movie. The Hot beef/Hamburger/turkey are hot sandwiches. It's just gravy + protein heated up in a pan and put between two slices of bread usually. Hot Liver sandwich sounds zany to me but who knows! Also, frank onions is probably a sausage with onions. HUZZAH!
thank you the question
It also looked like there's a comma there as if onions are an option or an addon for the frank. As if "frank w/ onions" but even more short handed.
Everything sounded yummy till you got to the liver.
No sin or even mention of how Superman straight up murders a completely defenseless Zod?
+Afro Luffy No prison time? No chance for parole? He was weak
We murder plenty of harmless men who did horrible things in the past
Meanwhile when he does it to a super-powered Zod to save a family, and feels tons of remorse for it, CHILDHOODS RUIIIINNNNNEEEDDD!
OMG THIS IS HILARIOUS and so true!!! But I will always love Superman II and regard it as one of my favorite sequels. Can't help it, I grew up on this movie and had the BIGGEST crush on Christopher Reeve.
"I won't let you down again."
Actually, you did, since Superman Returns is a direct sequel to Superman II, and, in it, he just came back after five years away. Should be a retrospective sin.
Kali how is Superman Returns a direct sequel to Superman II? There’s still Superman III and IV
@@tiberiushazo6326 Nope. Superman Returns only acknowledges the Donner continuity.
darkstar100x In what way does Superman Returns only acknowledge the Donner continuity?
@@tiberiushazo6326 In the way Singer literally said it is a sequel only to Donner's movies. As in 1 and the Donner Cut of 2.
Granted, it is technically not a sequel to either since it takes place in the mid 2000s yet claims Superman II's events only happened 5 years prior. Not to mention Lois Lane looking way younger than she ever did in previous films.
darkstar100x I’d never heard that he said that before. Why not just make it it’s own thing? I mean it doesn’t really seem like there’s anything from Superman Returns that directly relates to those first two movies that aren’t in the comic books or anything. It could easily be its own movie.
"We'll just have to wait until someone gets their neck broken." Christopher Reeve's kids are not amused.
+crowtservo I think that was a reference to Zod in Man of Steel
Too soon?
Wow. I remember exactly where I was when I heard about Reeve and that STILL didn't even occur to me.
Booker Jones I remember where I was, too.
Kentucky Fried was really good back then. Also I love this movie.
Hell yeah it was.
Back when they freshly made biscuits ever day by hand, all the sides were also made by hand and they used lard to fry everything! Miss that!
Me too. But I DID see it as a very small child, so hard to judge if it’s actually “good.”
Lol
Jeremy the type of dude to paint his PC black to make it run faster
+Genuine Okay that made me laugh
Jeremy the type of guy too stop at a red light in GTA 5
+Genuine ....I'm speechless. It's funny, but my eyes are just widened and my mouth hanging open!
Or yellow to make it smarter
Michael Seckman L.
A "smarter" computer?
1.24. Example of how great cinemasins is. Please return
I'm no scientician, but I think it's pretty hard, even for a Kryptonian, to speak on the moon.
naw fam kryptonians pull powers out their ass
Not really.
> scientician
Not sure if mocking or just dumb ...
So which is worse, those astronauts still sitting up there on the moon dead and looking like those dead astronauts in Gravity, or Superman giving the diner bully a shattered hand and fractured skull?
Superman probably thought it be better to leave them there. No one wants to see their friend or relative with their eyes and tongue protruded.
I too wondered about the astronauts on the moon. It would have been a nice touch if Superman spun the moon around to reverse time to bring them back to life, or retrieved their bodes and was seen at their funeral.
I feel like everyone's getting way too hung up on the astronauts 😂
I loved these movies as a child, mostly because my father and Christopher Reeve could've been twins. Basically grew up secretly hoping dad was Superman.
Paraphrasing my personal most sinful scene
Zod: "Kill him."
Lex: "Me? Kill me? The smartest supervillain in the world? You really want to kill me?"
Audience: "YES!"
I would add there is no explanation for the trio having the extra white beams of telekenesis that come from their fingers power. And that they can talk and hear in the vacuum of space. And that not only were they somehow close enough to Earth to be freed, but the Moon just happened to be in the right place at the right time for them to land on it.
The weirdest thing in this whole movie to me was the green and blue condiment thingys and the mini-versions! I mean, WTF?
Watching this made me happy 😃
OOH MY GOD, VEGGIE TALES AT THE END.
I was so not expecting that. XD
That VeggieTales reference at the end was gold! HAHA, and the Incredibles. Top notch movie referencing there. Or wait... Was The Incredibles referencing this!? :O Most likely.
That VegeTales clip was all I needed to give this video a thumbs up!!
I always loved the man in the phone booth still laughing and talking after he falls down...Always makes me laugh!!!!
You missed the recycled yellow cab at 11.54. You know, the one that you sinned for crashing into Superman.That gets a 'tut' (I like tuts).
you know what's funny. people complain about MOS superman killing zod, but he crushed his hands and threw him down a pit in part 2.
it's not so much him killing zod they hated, it was the reason for killing him in mos that was stupid
People complaining about it at all are stupid
@@belinskiparadox7687 Superman killed him because he had no other choice. Zod told him, more than once, that he would never stop killing humans.
@@darkangel15221 Facts... Superman literally had no reason what so ever to kill Zod in Superman II
I'm really surprised you didn't DING it for the bad guys talking on the moon ABOUT ATMOSPHERE despite the moon having none. You know, that medium necessary for the transmission of sound waves, yadda yadda?
4:16
Dude, you cannot steer a balloon! One sin ommitted- that's a sin of omission, and people weng to Hell fr it!
Also, how do they hear each other on the MOON??
And people complain about Man of Steel's product placements.
Not to mention he also kills Zod here too but with a smile on his face and no resentment over it.
You forgot to Sin the British kid with his Texan Father!
“Please suh, please put my daddy down! And while you’re at it, please suh may I have some mawre?” In case you don’t get it the second line is a reference to “Oliver!” You’re so right! How British can you get! Ha! Ha! Ha!
Idahoan.
Do Superman III and IV as well. Those will be hilarious :)
Jonah Henrickson He did.
Those movies sucked so bad they don't even deserve to have their sins counted.
If I remember correctly, during the fight in Metropolis, the Kryptonians are about to throw a bus and Christopher Reeve can be seen almost laughing when he says, "No! Don't do it! The people!"
I remember that vividly and you're correct, sir! When I saw him smiling when he said that I thought it was funny and it almost was as if he was purposely teasing them to throw the damn bus... 😊
Yeah, I always noticed that. That's probably why they cut away from him so we can't see him crack up.
Because everyone keeps forgetting that Christopher Reeve was a shit actor.
The slightly smerk has nothing to do with something funny.
Oh where is my hairbrush?!? HOW DO YOU EVEN REMEMBER THAT?!?
+Animovie Ratchet I'm struggling to remember where it's from
+the Golden Spider-Duck veggietales
+Animovie Ratchet I was super shocked he knew that reference too!
+Animovie Ratchet Shout-out to Larry the Cucumber
Wouldn't Superman instantly get a bunch of human diseases that his Kryptonian biology would have no way of combating once he de-powers?
In theory, he was exposed to them, and possibly could have built up an immunity.
Jim Walker Its been stated before that Superman's powers make him immune to all earthly pathogens, because his powers overpower the disease before it can affect his system. No powers means that he doesn't have that defence anymore. You could argue that the since they were in the Arctic that the extreme weather conditions killed off all pathogens, and that the Fortress of Solitude 'cleanses' any humans that enter, but that wouldn't matter once he got back to America.
+Jayden Dove batman figured this out and cured him before superman could become sick because he's batman and that's how he be.
that's what i thought. He should have gotten the flu or TB
Would a human catch a cold from a dog?
This was the greatest movie I'd ever seen when I saw it in the theater. Does. Not. Hold. Up.
Perry White had a random Bill Cosby pic in his office?! HA!
I don't care what anybody says bill Cosby was a fucking saint!!
I think that's O.J. Simpson. The point is still valid though!
Nah, it is Laurence Fishburne!
@smith lovy it's extremely random. What does being well known have to do with it? it's the man's place of business. Do you have random framed photos of famous comedians on your office wall? 'why do you have a picture of Bill Burr on your wall Smith?' well, it's because he's well known you see.
@@josephgregor2455 It was the "fucking" part that did him in.
"It's obvious! DUH!" Quoting Tempus from Lois & Clark:TNAoS.
4:37
"How dumb was she?!?"
My favorite scene is when he gets his justice on the bully in the café without laying a hand on him other than to push him toward the jukebox.
We thought that was so cool in the 80s, thats funny, I never seen garbage eat garbage before. Super witty
"where's my coat?"
Larry the cucumber (off screen):
"OH WHEEEEERRREEE IS MY HAIRBRUSH?!?"
I flippin' died 😂
she says comb.
14:02 If Zod has the same powers as Superman - which includes super-hearing - why can't he hear what's being whispered?
I always wondered about that too 👍
Fortress.
This will forever be my favorite super hero movie
👍👍👍👍👍👍 Agreed!
In the movie, you can hear (and see) him drop a few coins on the counter before he takes the hot dogs.
"But there is one man here on Earth who will never kneel before you."
"I will find him."
"He's-"
"I will find him."
"..."
"..."
"His name is--"
"I WILL FIND HIM!"
+Plan Ahea yes good
John Cena?!
@@SupremeCommanderBaiser they can't see John Cena
How did Clark and Lois get out of the North Pole
Maybe the fortress had a teleportation device.
@Jay Davis Not uber, lyft
They just walked off the set labeled North Pole....
@@leewinters8245 Superman built a vehicle called the Super mobile in comic books so maybe he carried her in that.
@@captaingenius-o1c That was how they did it in real life but how where fictional characters suppose to do it in the storyline?
Spoiler: Superman beats Batman in Dawn of Justice by using his strength to hold him down and forcing him to watch Superman 4: The Quest For Peace
+LapDog95 Is Superman indicted for crimes against humanity afterward?
+LapDog95 I heard that the R-rated cut will extend the scene a bit, so Batman subdues Superman with the almost if not more horrifying Batman & Robin, the true Kryptonite of the DCU, but with a last ounce of strength and another face morph (this time as George Reeves) is able to get up and overpower Batman by holding him down and forcing him to watch Superman IV.
+Trans8010 I can see why they'd cut that from the cinematic release. that shit would get banned in cinemas across the globe.
Suddenly I have new respect for Man of Steel
I have a guess for Thursday's video: Watchmen (because it was directed by the same guy who did Man of Steel and the upcoming Batman V Superman film).
I like your "outtakes" at the end. I'd appreciate them even more if you listed the movies from which you got the dialog for them. Some seem worth watching!
I saw this in the theater when I was five. I thought it was the greatest thing ever.
3:42-3:49: What is the Soup Nazi doing on the guard tower? "No prison break for you!!"
I can't believe I just heard a veggie tales reference. Win.
So glad i grew up in a time when this was just fun film to watch. 😄
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👊🏾👊🏾👊🏾👊🏾
"Let our powers combine! Earth...Fire...Wind..." haha
Sarah Douglas is awesome in this movie.
Glad you took a sin off for the awesomeness that is Zod.
With Superman's reflexes, there's no way he could accidentally stumble and fall into the fireplace. Intentionally stumble to keep up the Clark Kent act, sure. Fall into the fireplace, perhaps a desire to be found out.
Also, for talking on the moon, Superman (and so other Kryptonians) has super-ventriloquism. No, seriously.
Super ventriloquism allows him to throw his voice to where he wants, sure, but it still requires an atmosphere for the sound to travel through, which does not exist on the moon.
@@SomeGuyNamedJason I would retcon that to give them the ability to "send" telepathically. Their lips moving as they do would be like how some people move their lips when reading quietly.
The Richard Donner cut is far better as it doesn't have the stupid 'comedy', Lois tricks Clark into revealing he's Superman by shooting at him with blanks, it has Zod mowing people down with a machine gun and it shows Zod & co getting arrested at the end so you know Supes hasn't straight up murdered them.