BATMAN FOREVER (1995) Revisited - DC Movie Review
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- Опубликовано: 25 июл 2024
- 1992's Batman Returns presented a problem for Warner Bros. While still successful, the film grossed significantly less than its predecessor. Even worse, parents groups had a field day, with them complaining that the film was too dark, jeopardizing the lucrative tie-ins the studio planned with chains like McDonald's. They decided a change in direction was needed, which meant Tim Burton would not be returning to the director's chair. He was replaced by Joel Schumacher, who opted to eschew the darkness of the Burton films and embrace the campy aspect of the character. While he would go way overboard with 1997's Batman & Robin, his direction, which included adding nipples to the bat-suit, was praised when Batman Forever hit theatres in 1995.
With Val Kilmer donning the bat suit after Michael Keaton's departure, along with Chris O'Donnell's Robin, Jim Carrey's The Riddler, Tommy Lee Jones's Two-Face, and Nicole Kidman as the love interest, Dr. Chase Meridian, the film was a massive success, with many believing the franchise had been "saved." However, there was plenty of behind-the-scenes drama, which we explore in this episode of DC Films Revisited.
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Val Kilmer is one of the best Bruce Wayne and Batman which sadly not many people appreciate back then. Robin introduction is also great in this movie.
Batman Forever treated Robin pretty decently, but Batman and Robin just made him a whiny baby obsessed with hooking up with a villain for most of the runtime. It's kinda sad.
I still love this movie. Val Kilmer was a great Bruce and a great Batman, Jim Carrey was hilarious as Riddler, the Batmobile was awesome, and the city was gorgeous. Two-Face and Robin were ok.
Robin was terrible
Will you love it... Forever??
@@darrellcovello7917 I will
The soundtrack was banging. That U2 song is catchy af
If they had taken out Robin and Two Face the movie would have been amazing
This movie is underrated and I really would have loved to seen the darker version of the film that Schumacher had tried to bring to life, hell I’d even see that Batman year one adaptation he was so passionate to try and adapt. The deleted scenes of batman forever have some scenes with a lot of introspection especially for a superhero movie back then. Those scenes are basically the live action equivalent of a comic book monologue inside a character’s head that’s written in squared off text boxes. It’s great I suggest you all check out the deleted scenes, concepts or ideas. It’s unfortunate that it all got cut but hey I still think that aside from critical reception Joel never made these movies with regret or out of obligation . And I’m happy that he did.
Rest In Peace Mr Schumacher.
I agree people give it to much hate
I still love Batman Forever, and I’d love to see the Schumacher cut. I’m certain that a version of the film without all of the cartoon sound effects added over the fights and with the original order of events restored would be well received. It might even result in it being reevaluated as not being the same shallow rubbish that was Batman & Robin.
I really think there’s some good depth to the story with the duality of Bruce Wayne/Batman juxtaposed with the dichotomy of Two-Face, with Bruce being able to accept his two halves where Two-Face can’t.
The only weak link is IMHO Tommy Lee Jones, who seemed to be competing with Carrey to see who could go the most over the top. He seemed to forget in most scenes that Two-Face should have two personalities, not just one loud one. If there really is a Schumacher cut, I hope there are some alternate takes of TLJ where he does play up the duality of the part.
You can always tell who the people were when the movie in question comes out . They call it 'underrated '. They dont realize that this movie was the smash of the summer of '95.
@@daveyboy_ im not talking box office im talking about critical reception which especially these days people dont look back at this with too much fondness.
@@thabreez456 who cares about the critics? It didn't make that much money because people thought it sucked .
Tommy Lee Jones, Jim Carey, Nicole Kidman and Val Kilmer all in a Batman feature film, I so miss the 90's.
I think if they kept Two-Face the way he looked but actually made him a dark, sinister foil to Riddler's comedic side it would have been a much better film. I really like the design because of how over the top it is, it almost loops around to being comics accurate
It was actually meant to be much darker, closer to Returns. WB forced it through many cuts. One of the things we lose is Two Face’s character arc.
Harvey was Gotham’s leading DA and was Batman’s friend, helping to clear his name of the whole Penguin situation from Batman returns. After that, Batman asked Harvey to meet him on a rooftop. Harvey wanted to retire and settle down but Batman didn’t let him, saying that they are two sides of the same coin. Batman promised Harvey that as a reward for staying DA, Batman would protect him NO MATTER WHAT. We all know what happened after that and Two Face was sent to prison for Two years until he escaped by killing a prison guard, by getting him to play double or nothing, where Two Face’s coin landed on the bad side and he said nothing means you don’t even get to live.
Throughout the book, Batman feels guilty about what happened and at the circus instead of saying I’m Batman was going to say something he had mentioned to Dent at the rooftop and actively tries to stop Harvey by throwing a gun to his head, hoping it will distract him from flipping the coin at the circus.
Not only is Batman sympathetic to Harvey but Two Face follows his coin much more in this version, not minding when the good side turns up. He even tried to kill Riddler at one point after Face thought that he had successfully killed Batman. The infamous coin toss scene is still in there but as Face clearly explains “For each time Batman and chase pass me, it’s a new chance to kill him, requiring a new toss”.
Finally, Face dies differently and it was Dent that chooses the death. After the “you’ve always been a good friend” line, Harvey flips and Batman still feeling guilty only uses something to knock the coin off tangent. Face catches it but before he can flip again to see what is the accurate result, Robin says he acts as though the coin is making the decisions for him and asks him to flip for himself. Face does and WITHOUT looking at the outcome smiles at Robin, says “you owe us one sunny!” and kills himself, making as what Batman says is the first real decision he’s made in years.
If you want to see what this film could have been, pick up the Batman Forever book by Peter David.
Schumaher actually wanted to do just that, but the studio refused because McDonalds.
@@Jose-se9pu Like how Joe Dante wanted "Small Soldiers" to be darker and edgier but couldn't because of Burger King.
If two-face would have hated working with the riddler as much as Tommy Lee Jones hated working with Jim Carrey the dynamic would have been so much more fun to watch.
Let's not forget here that Tommy Lee Jones only did this to make his son happy I don't think his heart was in it.
9 year old me will always remember seeing the badass new suits in the end, then taking the new vehicles to fight the baddies. I'll *forever* love this movie.
I never knew Christian Bale was almost Robin... we may have never had the Dark Knight Trilogy as we have it today! And I don't care if Nicole Kidman is ditsy, even as a child I knew she was smokin hot in this movie... and in the end, isn't that all that matters?
This movie ruled my childhood when it came to VHS. Today, it's definitely a guilty pleasure film.
👍💯
Same here. I watched it so many times on VHS.
I know that this movie isn’t winning any Oscars, but I have always enjoyed this movie. Recorded of TV onto VHS, and watched it over and over as a kid.
Will you love it... Forever?
It's alright for what it is the movie is a easy fast watch its fun Jim Carry is funny Joknes is mostly enjoyable and Val Kilmer is alright with Robin being fin the film is a perfectly watchable alright family film for adults to watch with kids.
I have the Batman collection on DVD. And yes, that includes the abomination that is Batman and Robin.
This movie was massive in 1995 ! I saw this at the movies twice and had a great time when I was 10.
This is still one of my favorites. You can definitely tell he's batman playing a persona of Bruce, not the other way around. I loved the guilt he felt "I killed them" when referring to his parents death. Too bad the deleted scene that fleshed out the idea of merging the two sides of Bruce's coin, Bruce/Batman, will never see the light of day. Also Two Face is terrible. We only see one side of him and it's always overshadowed by The Riddler. Everyone else knew their parts, what they were supposed to do and did exactly that.
The fact he looks SO bored when he is without the mask seems to be intentional.
The original version was supposed to reveal that bruce begged his parents to go watch a movie at the theater again which led to his parents deaths. This was so traumatic that he repressed the memory completely until Robin's parents die like in the theatrical cut. Bruce was supposed to face this plot point but they deleted it
Batman forever is definitely a good but underrated batman film 🙂💜💜
What’s underrated about it? It grossed a profit & people loved it at the time
@@Bingo_the_Pug yes but there are some people who compare batman forever to batman and Robin which isn't true
This may not be the best Batman movie, but certainly is the Batman movie of my childhood and I'll love it forever for it.
Still my favorite (guilty pleasure) Batman movie ever!
This was a seriously great fun movie back in the day. I didn't know about the longer version. Awesome work joblo!
I still remember my dad taking me to see this in theaters. I had no idea where we were going or what we were doing. I just remember sitting in a dark room and then the movie started. This movie will always have sentimental value to me.
Favreau in Batman Forever... Mind blown!
Important question for Joblo: when this series eventually covers Justice League, will you be covering both cuts in the same episode or will the Snyder Cut be saved for a seperate episode?
Michael Keaton recently said that the reason he didn’t return as Batman was because the script was shite.He was right.
Except he wasnt
People looked back at this movie completely different to how it was received by critics at the time. Carrey wasn't celebrated at all if I remember correctly.
Funny part is I woke up today thinking of the song Kiss by a Rose by Seal.
If only we could see the original longer cut, to see how different it makes the movie
It really frustrates me that so many ppl automatically (& somewhat understandably) associate this very solid (IMO) Batman movie w/Schumacher's follow up, the abominable, abysmal (& in keeping w/the alliteration), atrocious Batman & Robin. I have fun watching Forever to this day. I'd rather punch myself in the mouth than sit through B&R ever again in my life.
I have a lot of nostalgia for this movie and Chris O'Donnell's performance is so underrated in this movie, his character arc was similar to Tom Holland's Peter in No Way Home on a dark path of revenge but guided by a mentor who wasn't able to stop himself from going down the wrong path!
My MOST favorite Batman movie will always be Batman Forever! This movie was so close to the comic version & the cast was legendary! I watched it many times when I was a child & I still love to rewatch it ♡ . All the new Batman movies are way too dark & boring... None of the new Batmans have the same charisma & attraction as Val Kilmer ♡ Thank you so much for this review!
Not only is this movie aging better than the Burton movies, more and more people are starting to apreciate Schumaher for at least trying to make something new with the character.
Even the excellent The Batman goes back to the same old "dark and gritty" we saw for the last 33 years.
Schumaher actually made a comic book movie that is not ashamed to be a comic book movie.
I sure do wish an extended cut of the film would get a release. I pieced it all together back in the day just after the theatrical release and have wanted to see the extended version ever since. Sadly, overly dark overly violent Batman has become the never ending rage these days and it seems like everyone just hates Batman Forever just because they can. I still remember 1995 fondly...the film was a big hit and a lot of fun. I miss that.
The most underrated Batman movie ever.
All ways liked the Batman film. Also glad Bale didn't get the role as Robin as we might not have had him in the Dark Knight trilogy.
It’s sad to see such a nice guy like Schumacher being given such a shit hand. Same with Zack Snyder.
With this being _the_ first Bat-flick I saw as a kid (and what led me to becoming a Batman fan), this will always hold a special place in my heart (😊). I actually wouldn't mind seeing this alternate cut of the film; it ironically sounds more in line (as far as tone goes) with Tim Burton's first two films.
I'm so glad you mentioned the autobiographical film, Val. I am not really into such movies, but I really like Val Kilmer, and it was very interesting to get a behind the scenes to who he is both professionally and personally through his eyes and "voice" by way of his son narrating it. I am a Batman fan, so I love the early Batman films, including this one, as they are my childhood films of a character I love very much. It is great revisiting this and I already knew a lot of what was mentioned, but it was still very well done, so great job!
The soundtrack of various artists that accompanied the film is still a joy to listen to for nostalgic value. ❤
The next one up is the train wreck known as Batman and Robin. And I can't wait for that one.
I will always have the biggest nostalgia soft spot for this movie.
On paper Tommy Lee Jones sounds like a perfect casting for Two Face. In execution, he tried so hard to one up Jim Carrey he just played a discount Joker
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No, it’s just that 90’s kids are adults now and defend it to death.
That laundry scene is the best scene in the entire movie 😂
No pun intended, but Drew Barrymore as Sugar was sweet, and my teenage self was loving it. She is such a doll in this movie.
I really enjoyed this film when it came out. Sure, it went in a different direction from the previous installments, but I found it entertaining despite being more campy. It's too bad Schumacher doubled down on the campiness in Batman and Robin to the point where I couldn't stand it.
Blame the studio for that. WB deemed the camp elements to be what made Batman Forever a hit. Tey were also still afraid of being too dark after the Batman Returns fiasco, which is why the best content got cut from the film. So in their rather ignorant logic, they wanted the next film to double down on camp with non of that annoying dark themed stuff at all. They also got greedy over the huge toy sales of Batman Forever, so they demanded that Joel make the film more "toyetic". Selling toys became more important. Joel did as he was ordered to do. WB was at the height of their ignorance during the 1990s.
Loved the movie back in the day. It's campy but very entertaining!
"Could I persuade you to take a sandwich with you, sir?"
I enjoy this movie. Despite its flaws.
The movie that got me into reading entertainment news rags. Of course as a kid, that just came in the form of Disney Adventures: BTS of Batman Forever. I led me to my first "kick" (revisiting an actor's filmography) starting with Val Kilmer, mainly because the magazine hid his face in shadow, and because of how much I dug the movie led to me getting my first CD, Forever's soundtrack and led to my hype around its follow up Batman & Robin in the form of my first subscription to Entertainment Weekly in junior high.
Wow great video! Very informative, well
researched and great editing. I loved this movie growing up and I think I like it more now after this video lol
Where do you get all of the behind the scenes footage?
One of my favorites just because we snuck out of school to watch this in theaters. All i currently recall are Jim Carrey, Kiss by a Rose, and bat NIPPLES!!!
I love the addition at the end…same movie time, same movie channel!
A couple of years ago, I was rewatching the first three movies and something occurred to me after. The third movie was like a redux of the TV show. Look what Schumacher did with fourth one when he was in total control. These movies were a darker version of the show with a little comic book material thrown in.
I was just thinking about the movie this morning and how it was the one that really introduced me made me like Batman and comics in general when I was kid, at that time I didn't know about the 2 previous movies.
And despite it being more lighthearted and less dark, I consider it a very good depiction of the character and Val Kilmer did a good job with it. It still has some dark moments and themes in it.
Not to forget the video clip from U2 for this movie, I always liked it :D
I loved Batman Returns and was hoping for more of _that_ when I went to see Forever. I still remember that the shot with the CGI helicopter was the moment I realised this particular version of Batman wasn't going to be for me. Haven't watched it since, but should revisit it, since I'm a firm believer in always seeing a film at least twice. Loved the soundtrack though, as pop-compilations go it was solid. But then again, the 90's had a lot of great compilation-soundtracks.
I love all these Batman movies. I grew up with them. The funeral scenes in this one always creeped me out, still, an awesome movie
It's a good time! I'd love to see the longer cut!
Something that's always bothered me about the poster art for Batman Forever though; the sonar suit glove but the panther suit cowl. Now it can bother you too! 😂
U2's "Hold me thrill me kiss me" is one of the coolest movie themes, so as one of the biggest MTV classic videos of all times.
Seal's Kiss From A Rose makes this film worth existing
You guys do a great job on this series!
how ironic Christian Bale turn down the role in a Batman film but later did it, for the titular character
"Kea'an and Bur'en wan'ed to work together" now you can't unhear it either
I still have my McDonald's Batman Forever mug
Here in Australia McDonalds had a promotion featuring glass mugs of the characters.
I remember not liking this movie because it was so different from Burton Man, but looking back I think it really was a classic.
It was junk and Carrey chewed the scenery.
Christian Bale was considered to be Robin? HOLY IRONY BATMAN!!!
Batman (1989) *is* Batman Year One. To make Batman Year One would have meant remaking the first film.
Ooohhh so thas the real reason for Mike Jackson’s transformation. He was a dedicated Method actor🤯
I have never understood why people say these two Schumacher films are supposed to be 'kids' movies. Sugar and Spice's outfits, the countless sexual innuendos, the brutal on-screen way in which Poison Ivy kills her victims, the savage murder of Two Face at Batman's hands... I mean, just go all out with it. No need to try to pretend it's something it's not.
So coincidentally I was watching this film ln and paused the movie where Riddler leaves the forged suicide note and I just could not stop laughing now it's my wallpaper Jajaja
Worst thing was Jones' portrayal of Two Face as Joker-lite.
To me this is one of the most batman movie I watched because of Jim carry
This was my younger kids fav batman movie and rightly so, I was 40 at the time and really enjoyed it but I didn't and still don't like the batmobile on this one
This was one of the best Batman films! Couldn’t get any better than Val Kilmer, Jim carrey, Tommy Lee jones, drew Barrymore, debi mazar and Chris O’Donnell
Val’s Bruce Wayne is underrated. Carrey as Riddler is just plain fun to watch (he’s having a blast playing the character and it shows).
I remember watching this movie when I was a kid along with Batman the animated series that got into Batman.
While Batman Returns is still my absolute favorite I unapologetically love this movie and its AMAZING soundtrack. I even have The Riddler and Two Face mugs still that my friend bought for me back in the day because I don't like McDonald's food, but she knew I'd want the mugs. 😆 Great review, thanks for the nostalgia. Think I'll go dig out those mugs now...
Part of me misses the first three Batman movies from the 80s nd 90. No gritty realism and no shared universes . Oh how I miss thee.
I still prefer this one over the one that came directly after. Kilmer doesn't get enough credit for his Batman
I still have great memories of going to watch this in the cinema when I was 6, getting the U2 and Seal tracks on cassette and later the movie on VHS. Then of course figures! Peak time for me as a Batman fan.
That Rollercoaster drop is the perfect analogy for how listening to that song feels.
as a child I loved it at 90's
One Of The Best Soundtracks Of All Time
A cool Batman movie, even with It's flaws, it still deserves apreciation and respect, bravo Joblo, congratulations to everyone 😁😊🏅🥇🎖🥇🎖🏅🏆👏🏆🏅🥇🎖
I liked this movie as a kid. My family even had the VHS and the soundtrack on cassette tape. Out of all the Batman films I was probably most familiar with this one. I haven't watched this in years, but I stand by the opinion that it is a perfectly fine movie. Not a masterpiece, not lousy, just fine. And Val Kilmer, still the hottest Batman.
There's an interview where Keaton says he was interested but the script was too stupid and corny. They urged that it was more lighthearted and Keaton argued its about a man who saw his parents murdered in front of him.
"I cannot sanction your buffoonery." - Tommy lee jones to jim carrey
Can’t mess with the classics. I can’t tolerate most modern movies so I typically find myself falling back to the old school.
Did not realize drew Barrymore was in this. And I've seen this like 100 times. 😱
Bro, the world was such a better place when this movie came out. I remember Mcdonalds had the monopoly game running in these times, Nirvana was mainstream music, and rollerblading was everywhere, along with token arcades! Not to mention everyone was Patriotic AF.
This was the first Batman I ever saw.
I'll always like Batman Forever and all the 90s Batman movies be part of my childhood forever.
This was the best movir by far in the Burton/Schumacher series.
Kilmer was a great Batman/Bruce Wayne (Much much better than either Clooney or especially Keaton.). Probably the only things I didn't like were Nicole Kidman (Bland) and Jim Carrey (A bit too much).
I still enjoy rewatching this today.
Underrated movie it didn't deserve the hate it's like The Amazing Spider-Man 2
Brad Dourif as The Riddler? That could've been very cool.
Batman Forever was my favorite Batman movie when I was a kid and I still love it.
I'd love to finally see a directors cut of this.
I absolutely love this movie! In fact it is my favorite Batman movie! It really is a live action comic book movie come to life. I'd love to see the Schumacher Cut!
So sad what happened to val kilmer
jim carry will always be the best live action riddler to me
Batman Forever is definitely one of my guilty pleasure movies
Val Kilmer had always been one of my favorite actors since I was a kid and I love him as Batman alongside Michael Keaton and this was my top notch Batman movie I would watch alongside the first Keaton batman film and still do to this day and I love the rest of the cast especially Jim Carrey as the riddler
Kilmer is the best Batman, and there are so many elements of this film that are top-notch. I want to see the director's cut.
While Tommy Lee Jones is an awesome actor, I think that his Harvey Dent was over the top, he was more like the Joker.
On one had this movie had alot of small problems that them from script, acting, design etc. However the film still is fun, entertaining, and a dark take on 1966 Batman
Wow I had know idea that Michael Jackson wanted the role of the riddler 😳 and I also didn't know that Christian bale was up for the role of Robin Leonardo was so right he wouldn't had been great as robin
I'm glad Keaton didn't do this he left while he was on top Kilmer is OK Kidman is hot and the movie is watchable God help us if Bsrman and Robin ever achieves cult status