id like a story in which the grey knights find out that the warp is awful pretty much because peoples lives are awful, so they start going around the galaxy improving the living conditions of imperial worlds
Grey Knight: “Sir, we gave the people running water, nutritious food, terraformed the planet to its natural beauty, and heavily reduced the industrial load of the planet while increasing the living space for each citizen. Calgar: “I told you to pacify that planet and end the demon worship!” Grey Knight: “we did, sir.”
@@Hustle-bones the grey knights aren't stupid they probably know about that rule so they most likely say that they're from the ultra blue or blood angels
From what I've been told, simply enjoying something, like a meal, would feed Slaanesh to a minimal degree like a drop in a bucket. In the same way that getting into a fistfight feeds Khorne, beating someone in a children's card game feeds Tzeentch, and getting the common cold feeds Nurgle. These small things that feed the gods in a minuscule amount but does build up a bit across the entire galaxy.
Sounds stupid and would probably be like using a battery that powers a game controller to power a Carrier but so is trying to imprison one of these chaos demons for good while removing their source of food/power so who knows
@@42Nightsyesterday What I mean is that while it might add up a tiny bit, Nurgle is going to be pathetically weak, small colds may add up but we aren’t dealing with a planetary threat, we are dealing with potential a Multi Universal demon gods. This means that like I said, it’s like using a game controller battery to power a Carrier. I don’t know what it’ll take but a simple cold even if you take the entire universe would probably be like 0.1 for a chaos god. It’s too weak to provide anything of use to the Chaos Gods, you will need stuff like a town wallowing in their own excrement, a horrific orgy, mass amount of hope/an absolute grand scheme, or a Brutal Battle for it to actually be worth while and lasting to a demon god, I mean look at the place they fully corrupt. A fist fight between two people won’t be enough to even make the tips of all the grass in the region to be slightly redder. All the small colds in the galaxy would probably power up like 10 Nurgle demons. TDLR; It’s stupid because even if it’s true that those things would feed the Chaos God and power it, it’s very temporary, very weak and has no punch to it for a chaos god that from what I see, is at least galaxy sized but can also be Multi Universal.
It will fall to the little girl that entered Tzeentch's domain. A child, or a spirit, or a ghoul or a giggling trickster; hardly a threat, and yet she managed, for some purpose, to walk into Tzeentch's endless maze, face the trials and guiles therein, and then leave, with nary a feather out of place. What a change that must have been. Tzeentch is a schemer, a warper, twisting and changing and leaving no stone, nor plan, unturned. At any point, he could have confronted that young girl with more than the pitiful riddling of his beaked followers. He chose not to, and in doing so, invited challenge and embarrassment and the threat that any errant thread presents when it becomes aware of its own power. Why would he risk this? What could possibly make it worthwhile? What a change that must have been. The feelings of being... challenged, truly conquered, truly altered, in a way he might not have experienced before, could only have brought him to his proverbial knees. And here we find the doom, and the opportunity, for the universe at large. How different would it be, thinks Tzeentch, to simply die? Nurgle finds in this new, self-blaspheming Tzeentch a perfect decay- a desire to change the status quo even at the cost of his own integrity, his own principles. Slaanesh finds in this reborn, extreme, self-harming Tzeentch an obsession, and an addiction, that would carve further and further into need. Khorne finds in Tzeentch the chance of a strifetime; the opportunity to take change in hand, and crush it. Tzeentch must have more change, greater change, more rapid and demanding, and of the very sort least accessible to him; change in himself. What greater high could there be to the god of change than to become something different, something less? What a change that must have been. And when Tzeentch is gone, consumed by a million self-gnawing maws, and when his minions are scattered to the Warp, or left unburied on distant quasi-cognitive fields of strife, and when the three Chaos gods look to each other in hunger, and when a billion trillion life forms, set against each other, smell the fading hand of the Changer of Ways, and when the tides of battle change for action and consequence, and when great men seize the day to inflict their wills upon a scarred and branded galaxy, and when the first victories against the decay and the slaughter and the excess raise the spirits of the damned, and when the Imperium falls under its own weight, and the Necrons unify under a single flag, and the Tyranids are driven back at incalculable cost, and the Dark Eldar meet their spiraling, cursed end in the Webway, and when the Emperor of Man is finally- finally- allowed his eternal rest, and when the universe lies, breathing heavy at the exhaustion of its armies... ...the sentient creatures of the cosmos will begin to build once more. Eons of darkness, carved against with the smallest, and most insistent of tools. For fate is now in the hands of the farmer and the bricklayer and the soldier and the caretaker, and all who see fit to claim it for themselves. And a million years down the line, when the scars of these events are weathered and wearing away, or held in some bastion of learning, or some zoo amidst the stars, the children of the tomorrows yet unknown will look upon these bastardized centuries, and think to themselves... What a change that must have been.
I like the video and what you said makes sense. I actually plan to make a video about what if the chaos gods were good guys, but you partly beat me to it.
B4 the video gets going, I always kind of figured maybe you could destroy these incarnations of the chaos gods (maybe) but what they represent are such fundamental components of reality and all sentient races that you can't really permanent get rid of them unless you necronize the whole ass universe Edit; sooooo best case scenario - Tzeentch would be way less complicated and mostly a force for good - Khorne would be a god of martial honor - And Nurgle would be a big tiddy nature gf who occasionally gives you the sniffles Memes aside that actually sounds really cool
I'm pretty sure nothing good would happen, but I applaud being optimistic in the face of Chaos gods. First problem is, Chaos gods already regularly take parts of themselves to create their demons, so what stops them from just making a bunch of demons to suffer in the way they prefer within their box? I'm not sure if the law of conservation of energy exists in some form in the warp, but the crazy stuff it does suggests it doesn't. They could just make a perpetual torment machine, in a box, which I bet a lot of Dark Eldar would die to get their hands on. Next problem is that isolating the Chaos gods does not isolate the warp. Everyone outside that prison is still doing the things that made Chaos in the first place. What prevents new Chaos gods from just arising out of that? And if they did, will they try to reunify with the originals? Fight them? Merge with them? Whatever the case, now we have eight of them instead of four, at least for a time, and that is unacceptable. Chaos warriors are already unforgivably spikey, and they'd only get worse with sixteen-pointed stars. If you really want to neutralize the forces of damnation, I suggest something far more practical, xenos. The Mechanicus has the technology to build Necron pylons, sealing away the warp forever. But we still need the warp for travel, so you teach us how to build your Webways, or if you've forgotten how, let us study them. Then one of two outcomes is most likely. Either we figure out a way to secure and maintain them against what is sure to become a huge demonic assault, or we just don't have warp travel and will have to beat up the Tau for their lunch money and realspace drives. No, peace with mind control weeb collectivists is not an option. They already evolved too quickly, so we're both served by neutralizing them. Note, this is not a peace treaty. I am well aware that the Eldar have designs to reclaim the galaxy from humanity, and that is not happening. But at least this way, you get to live a lot longer and your souls won't be eaten. There are worse enemies to die to than each other, so we can kill them first. Or who knows, you may finally realize that the glory days of the Eldar are over, and resign yourself to Craftworlds or Exodite worlds beyond our reach. This is also acceptable, as well as what you have already been doing. Knowing the Administratum around this place, humans will forget you existed in a millennia or so. Out of sight, out of mind, and you get to survive. If you wanted to, you could probably even track the Tyranids back to whatever galaxy they fled from and occupy that. Surely, you have the sorcery to reclaim dead worlds, since the "primitive" Mechanicum does already. Or if not, you'll have millions of years to figure it out. See? All this has the bonus of being decidedly less chaotic than our current state of affairs, or gift-wrapping Chaos gods and whatever fresh hell that would unleash. Input Interface = OPEN PRINT "Do you wish to accept?" Y/N
Imagine that nurgle suddenly became a good guy, he will form a beautiful family with Isha and they will start improvin health of all people in the galaxie, and the plague marine instead of been those obese abonimatons they will became something like ONG volunteers that help entire Planets to overcome plagues and pandemies.
I am thinking two things: Either a rival group of "order" gods who represent the extreme form of order which is a threat to all life that doesn't want to live in a galaxy that makes the dystopian novel precursor "We" One State look like an anarchist commune. Or something that I've seen more explored in fantasy where southern Norscans(and fanon Ind) indirectly worship chaos through socially acceptable versions that don't aren't comically evil but rather have nuance or actual goodness. Which reminds me of this one image I saw reimagining the gods of chaos as orderly greeko-roman gods.
If you mixed all four in a box youd actually get some interesting results: god of honorable war from khorne. New God of discovery and magic from slaaneshs need for new experiences tzentchs need for academia. God of the cycle of life and death formed from nurgles cycle and tzentchs change. God of protection and family from khorne and Nurgle.
Khorn could, albiet over a long time, easily become a god of war and combat centered around honor and conviction as those are already PARTS of his Blood and Skulls incarnation now.
My version of the story where the Chaos Gods die off would have a particularly powerful version of Darth Revan (female, Dark Side) who knows the Malachor V life-drain powers and Ergast's soul-binding ritual get captured by the Chaos Gods. She starts off by using her Sith army to wage war against Chaos forces, converting a few Chaos Marine warbands to her Dark Side Sith ways and using the life-drain technique on Chaos Lords and the soul-binding technique on Daemon Princes to make herself more powerful. Then Abaddon lures her into a trap where he challenges her to a 1v1 battle but the battle arena was a portal to the Chaos realm, so she gets sucked into it and captured by the Chaos Gods. Since she's powerful and useful, the Chaos Gods don't just kill her, they decide to try and turn her. The Chaos Gods torture the living fuck out of her, until she agrees to serve them, but she says she can only serve one. She's experienced forbidden love, bottomless rage, she's experimented with Sith alchemy to create diseases, and she's plumbed into the depths of the Force to gain Lovecraftian powers unknown to most, so the Chaos Gods start fighting over her, only for each blow they deal to each other, she's slowly siphoning their energy without them knowing. The Chaos Gods feud a lot, so they don't notice until they start feeling exhausted for the first time in millennia, and they realize their captive has siphoned enough energy from them to become stronger than ALL FOUR OF THEM, and so she breaks free from her chains and uses the Chaos Gods' own power against them, beating them back while draining more energy from them. Once she's weakened them enough, she uses the Sith soul-binding ritual to absorb them. She then has all the power of all four Chaos Gods imprisoned within her newly-empowered body, and eventually, they will die out within the confines of her consciousness. Revan then returns to the material world, with the Daemon Primarchs Lorgar, Angron, Mortarion, Magnus, and Fulgrim, all bending the knee along with their subordinates, pledging allegiance to her Sith Empire.
Alright hear me out. Lets take the Chaos Gods and put them in a dimensions with four other Gods who are the polar opposite of them. No armies or followers for either.
I have a feeling Slaanesh would end up so starved of sensation, that if she's let out of the box after an arbitrary amount of time, she just begins finding pleasure in the simple things in life, enjoying a sunny day, a homemade meal, etc. . This means that she just becomes a more toned down version of herself, just reveling in existence. Nurgle would be an odd one to deal with because he would probably need to be put in a sterile cage where life can't really flourish to stop him from creating anything new, which I think would just result in him kinda being emaciated and just becoming a god of the dead and not of the cycle of life like he is now. I have a feeling with Tzeentch being a god of change, he kinda fractures and part of him remains the same everchanging self, and the other part changes itself permanently into something more static like a simple god that only deals with hope or something and that aspect gets let out. Finally for Khorne, I think he rages for a couple hundred or thousand years until he eventually gets burnt out, and start meditating and becomes kinda like one of those monks that value martial ability but use it more like a last resort.
I've seen it as inconsistent as to whether Slaanesh is a god of *excess* or a god of *desire* - And personally, I much prefer the later, mostly because it opens the door for Slaanesh worshipers besides "Weird Sex Monster #8,572". On Tzeench - I think that out of all the Chaos Gods, Tzeench already the closest to being 'pure', to whatever extent that's possible. Change is very literally what makes the world go round, and Change is also something a lot more thematically resonant and fundamental to the universe than things like Ambition, Magic, or Scheming. When you cut Tzeench free of those things, they're still a scary god - Change *is* scary, after all - But in a much more "This is part of grappling with the reality of the human experience" way instead of a "EVERYTHING IS ON FIRE" way.
Also worth noting that a lot of Slaanesh is about perfection. She could become the type of person that revels in the joys of life and strives to be a better person, to perfect herself
@@firetarrasque4667 I always believed the "excess"part much more, specifically because of the way Slaanesh is created in 40k lore; it is the idea that no matter how far you take anything, it can always go that bit further; as opposed to desire, which is a very finite pursuit of the base pleasures. (such as the desire to sell weird sex monsters to depraved wargamers)
For Tzeentch specifically, he's also associated with magic and knowledge, he could easily end up transforming into the God of Hope, Magic, and Knowledge
Just an entertaining extension of that "Protector of the week" angle from Khorne, apparently the ancient Thracians interpreted their version of Ares as something similar, with the added angle that he is the protector of victims of rape and sexual assault. More plainly put, Khorne could come out of this EVEN MORE wanting to kill Slaanesh.
@@YatzeeWillWearAGreenHat On one hand, it is hypothetically impossible to hate something more than Khorne does. On the other hand, how could Khorne possibly have a limit to their hatred?
@@YatzeeWillWearAGreenHat Perhaps it is a question of relative hate. By hating other things less, Khorne would have more time to focus on his hating of Slaanesh and put more resources into fighting it.
I just like the idea of killing a bloodthirster by turn a battle into a cuddle party, or a keeper of secrets by turning a drug party into a rehab counsel. Just dumb positive things counter the grimdark setting just tickles my fancy.
I've always wanted to see some kind of Tau zen master as their "answer" to demonic powers. They don't have to be "psychic" in the traditional sense, maybe; just so utterly at peace, so perfectly in balance, that it fucks up daemons in their presence.
Lorgar's homeworld of Colchis worshipped Khaane Slanat Narag and Tezen which where noble gods that represented the better aspects of the chaos gods. I imagine if the sea of souls was quelled or they were locked into a magic space box they would revert to these noble idealizations of honor, fertility, growth, and knowledge respectively.
@@insanity9329 Fair point, I was basing it off of an image I've seen floating around of the 4 chaos gods are like noble human greek god types and slaneesh is listed as the goddess of fertility art and music. Although I do feel like Nurgle being life growth and the garden might have fertility too? Unless they mean literally having children through sex which I guess is very slaneesh
I've thought about this before, so here's my personal take. Slaanesh: God of Love, Pleasure, and Creativity. Slaanesh would be fairly simple to convert to the nice side since there's no particular reason for Slaanesh to focus on depravity, at least not more than generosity and sharing. Exploring the wonders of kindness and every possible way to help someone. A fairly basic pleasure god with the hallmark feasts and festhalls, less concerned with dominating and all and more of providing the gift of giving. Sharing is caring, and they love to show how much they care. Tzeentch: God of Magic, Knowledge, and Self-Improvement. I picture a nice Tzeentch as a Gandalfy, Dumbledorish figure. The grand wizard in his tower, subtly guiding all who follow him to reach their ultimate potential. Magic is possibility, and he's dedicated to making everything as good as it can be, and then a little bit more. Never let it be said that there's nothing to be done and that change is impossible. Things can always get better, and if fate says otherwise he'll blast it aside and write up a better ending. Nurgle: God of Rebirth, Contentment, and Symbiosis. Nurgle's the easiest god for me to imagine as good since he's almost a standard nice nature god, he just needs to learn that it isn't nice to spread plagues. His jolly brewmaster personality stays but with an emphasis on improving life. It breaks his heart that the lowest lifeforms don't get along with the highest so he alters them to make them symbiotic. Grandfather loves you no matter how ugly you are and he'll help you find your place in the world and comfort you when its time to go and let someone else take your stead. Khorne: God of Battle, Courage, and Righteous Wrath. The good ol, fashion noble crusader (or savage) rescuing the weak and smiting the cowards who'd dishonorably abuse them. Unlike normal however things don't end with one, or preferably both, parties bleeding to death. This is ultimately better for him since his worshiper base is stable. He hates weakness, but his followers empower the weak to make them the strong and collect the armor and shields of the fallen to use for their future defense. Strength for the Strength God! Shields for the Shield Wall!
“I am courage and honor, the source of all strength. I am the soldier in every battle; I am his sword, and his will to wield it. I am every friend who stand with him, as I am every foe who stand against him. I am the sword who strikes down the wicked, and I am the shield who shelters the weak, that they may rise and grow strong. For I am strength. I am honor. I am Khorne.” “I am the Keeper of Knowledge. I will know all, and all will know through me. I am in every stroke of the pen and in every word of every tongue; I am every letter ever written, every secret ever kept, every tale ever told. I am the hand that draws the map and the beast who lies beyond its edge. I am the lost knowledge which waits to be found, and I am the spark which drives men to seek it. I am the ember of hope that calls to you in your darkest hours, and I am the torchlight that guides your way. I am the Spark of Discovery, the Great Sorcerer, the Bringer of Hope. I am the Changer of Ways. I am Tzeentch.” “I am the cycle made manifest. I am life and death, growth and decay. I keep the Sacred Cycle of Nature. All will grow and live and die and rot, and from their rot will new life grow to live and die and rot. So turns the wheel; so turns the cycle. I am in every newborn’s first cry, and in every elder’s final words. I am the bloom of springtime blossoms and I am the fall of autumn leaves. I am the first and last beat within every heart. I am the Keeper of the Cycle; I am the Sower and the Reaper, the great Gardener of Men. I am the Grandfather. I am Nurgle.” “I am love and pleasure in all its forms. I am the masterpiece and its muse. I am art and artist alike, the musician and her song. I am every spark of passion that sets the heart aflame and aflutter; the most fleeting of fancies and the deepest desires. I am all love, from the most simple joys to the most cherished and enraptured. I am love in its most noble and carnal; piety and depravity alike. For I am love. I am Slaanesh.” I had this idea myself a few months back, and it has not left me alone since then. I am not complaining. I love this concept of the Chaos Gods having a good side!
"My plan to beat Chaos is to make everyone atheists." "Great plan." "Also I'm going to create a bunch of psychic demigods that may well end up splitting the galaxy in two in order to help those gods." "Wait what."
That first plan created a new chaos god though. Turns put militant atheism is a committed belief system that can impact on the warp just like anything else.
@@seekingabsolution1907 I mean besides, have you seen R/Atheism? Turns out Atheism can become a cult too because even a cricket bat can act like a hammer when you glorify it.
“I’m going to instill a militant, atheistic dogma to declare that there’s no such thing as the supernatural.” Stated the titanic, immortal superhuman who’d lived thousands of years and was born from the congealed souls of many ancient shamans.
The Emperor really exemplifies the belief that the attempt to replace religion with atheism will invariably evolve into another religion, I agree with this idea somewhat, arguably the thing that ruins both is Dogma, strict thoughtless adherence to rules you don't understand and can't explain without saying "because someone other than me said so" of course without some form of Dogma you can't have structure, humanity relies on being able to share and accept experiences, ideas and rules that came from someone else sometimes blindly, you can let a kid touch a hot eye once to get that fire bad but if that kid has to personally experience or think about every single idea/rule/sensation they would go catatonic or would cease to be the first time they thought they had to jump off a twenty story building without safety gear in order to prove the fall would kill them
The Tzeentch scenario is so totally he starts dividing himself up. Like at first it's two halves too communicate with at least someone but then they divide to form opinion groups, then these groups start trying to trick each other and you get a micro cosom of Tzeenchian hierarchy. Then you open the chamber/box like 1billion ad and it's like stepping on a spider that's carrying offspring.
Tzeentch just creates his own little universe in there with all the different pieces of him being the inhabitants, constantly plotting against each other and fighting with magic
@@jonathanathor117 The idea of a 'pretty clearly Satan' evil god that's clearly Khorne with the serial numbers filed off being confined, thinking on it all and realizing no amount of blood or skulls actually makes him happy amuses me.
By the same logic If nurgle was cut off from pestilence he would probably embody the good parts of the plague. Instead of stagnation he could be resilience The pattern of cloth and wax plague doctors used to block flees, the bodies state of homeostasis
I think there’s possibility that slaanesh could survive this sensory deprivation tank/prison. They might not have access to physical senses but they still have a mind. Slaanesh might do a complete 180 from mainly physical excess, to a god that represents a sort of elevated mind state. Kind like nirvana.
I think purified versions of chaos gods would be really similar to some Aedra and Daedra from Elder Scrolls, they have their spheres of influence, not necessarily evil but also not necessarily benevolent. How I envision it: Khorne - Malacath/Trinimac Nurgle - Peryite, I think this one especially fits into what you described Tzeentch - Julianos and Mephala Slaneesh - Dibella and Sanguine I can’t be bothered to explain why, but if you know, I think you’ll agree
THIS! Personally, I think this is how the chaos gods should be treated in warhammer. Beings that are neither entirely evil or good, but follow concepts and rules that can be applied to any situation. However, I think slaanesh fits mephala more, being the dark god of sex and secrets after all.
I say Molag Bal is objectively pure evil, his domains involve R*pe, slavery, corruption, and domination, who has the intention of harvesting every soul in existence for the sole purpose of torturing them forever in his domain Coldharbour all for the fun of it.
@@brandonlyon730 True, but the Dunmer still see him as useful (or essential to the world I guess?), he’s representing a challenge to overcome to achieve enlightenment. This is why I love TES, on paper you have only a few deities, but cultural interpretations add so much more to them.
@@brandonlyon730 quote from The House of Troubles: Malacath, Mehrunes Dagon, Molag Bal, and Sheogorath are holy in that they serve the role of obstacles during the Testing.
The timing on this is nutty. Before you uploaded this yesterday, I drove home and thought, "wait, what if the God Emperor's plan was to create a universe so structured and overall good for everyone, it starved the chaos Gods and forced them to evolve into more pure versions of themselves." Then I got home and thought "you know, I haven't heard from Pancreas for while, wonder what his latest video was." What I'm saying is, I'm basically a confirmed Psyker.
The vibe I got from the books is he’s trying to put the chaos gods back in their box and they fight back through the Horus Heresy to stop him so he must have been doing something to worry them.
I actually think slaanwsh would survive and maybe come out completely different. See, slaanesh's excess is strange, cause whilst it is true that the empowerment of a deathorgy is nothing to scoldrer about, simple pleasures can still be an energi to slaanesh. The kinkyness of humanity today fx, could power slaanesh to some extent. And if slaanesh really uses more time in her little bubble, she becomes more numb and maybe gets enpowered more heavily by simple pleasures. Finally they would emerge out of their tomb as a guy who kicked heroin and now only gets empowered by the simple pleasures and love. Litterally the best case scenario for the elves and eldar aswell. The drukharri no longer have to do sexslave raids (even though they might still do it) and the craftworld can focus on building a better future without a rape daemon in the back of their minds.... just my thoughts on the matter.
Also excess is subjective. When you are hungry even simple meal gonna taste awesome. So maybe starved slaneesh gonna be content with simple joys of life. Even though sooner or later they gonna go overboard again, so this idea need more thinking.
Slaanesh is also more than just excess, though that is her primary thing. She is also desire, desire to pursue happiness, to improve one's self. There are positive aspects to Slaanesh.
I've always taken issue with all of Slaanesh's followers being deathorgy cultists. Someone at a deathorgy isn't necessarily enjoying themselves "more" than some dude who's really into bird watching, because enjoyment is fundamentally an internal, subjective experience. Not everyone likes extreme situations. This doesn't mean that their feelings are any less powerful than anyone else.
If you just starved them of all emotions at once, they would die. You need to have some kind of trickle drip-feed of the right kind of emotions. Outside of Slaanesh's timeout pod, put a concert hall. Tzeench's pod comes equipped with a stadium for yugioh card battles. Nurgle gets a viking longhouse where people vibe and feast all the time. Khorne gets a warrior lodge where people compete in tests of strength and duel but are also bros.
Something that I don't see brought up a lot is that Nurgle's love isn't love at all. It's literally an abusive relationship in a mocking imitation of familial love.
I disagree. Nurgle loves all life, it's just that bacteria is more prolific of life than anything else so it makes sense he focuses on that. I never saw him as stagnacy and decay but rather infection because if you take one living thing and infect them with bacteria you make one thing into billions of things. It goes with his gifts. They match his motivations, not the desires of who gets the gifts
@@haroldsandahl6408 yeah stagnancy isn't as great part of his beings as everyone even GW implies especially since a big thing about nature in general is evolution through survival of the fittest and almost all the time we hear about nurgle or his followers they are cooking and nurturing either new plagues or making better strains of existing ones
Honestly, If this didn't end in "they die without the emotions" then I think nothing would change for nurgle, or even more he'd become a God of pure entropy and stagnation because all he could do is stagnate.
Malal might take on the form of the God of Reason - or the God of Ideals. The reason for its entire existence is the hatred of the warp born and those who allow the warp born to manifest from their thoughts. By purifying the Chaos Gods, Malal ceases to be the God that intrisically hates Chaos, but instead becomes the godly authority on keeping the Gods (and their worshippers) in check and maintaining their purity. Instead of wanting to destroy everything due to the setting being a lost cause, Malal is the one attempting to maintain order and stop the setting becoming a lost cause. In a sense - he could be a less faction-associated god akin to Big E, just without the humanity bias.
Khorne would probably turn into a 50/50 where he’d still be a god of war and combat but probably make people solely focused on their reason for fighting to an unhealthy extent. Example: guardsmen joins to protect his homeworld in a war that’s beyond his understanding. Overtime khorne empowers him to not only be able to fight back the forces endangering his home but also identify what those threats are so that he can keep fighting said threats until they’re no longer a factor in his goals. TLDR: khorne would turn honorable guardsmen into slightly paranoid man fighting zealously against anything that threatens his home (Sounds kinda like Batman)
The only way to actual weaken Chaos is to bring back Malal and his pet god Necoho. An Chaos God based on pure Anarchy and his minion who's a living paradox, literally sabotaging everything that they do just because he can, and that, in of itself, is the nature of chaos. Unfortunately, one thing stronger than chaos itself is preventing Malal from coming back; copyright holders.
Imagine if, in this scenario, the newly fixed Chaos gods got sent back in time dur to warp shenanigans and had to build up their powerbase to destroy their old selves, trying to avoid feeding their lesser halves as they do.
@@YatzeeWillWearAGreenHat But perhaps less wise and maybe unaware of their "new" versions? Except Tzeentch of course, he'd definitely know. But he might be inclined to let it happen anyway because of scheming reasons.
@@wanderhillen2435 Tszeench would know, and be too sure in it's own victory (or just tell itself this was the plan all along, after all that IS Tzeentch over there, winning isn't it?) to do anything that would really stop the purified version. Khorne would be thrilled to have another worthy foe (so would Gork and Mork for that matter) who actually fights honorably too! Nurgle would likely have a hard time dealing with the purified version pointing out "I am what you should have remained as, so who is stagnant here?" Slannesh would freak the hell out and end up ruining itself trying to deny the good feelings, which just hurts it more while the purified Slannesh benefits from the good and sooths the bad, which means most of the cults flip sides immediately. (Deity of Hedonism where I don't have to up my coke input constantly? Being selfish, for a cultist like me the winner is clear.)
While these are cool thought experiments, I don’t think slaanesh would fade away. Yes, he/she/they are the god excess, but they are also the god of joy, art and love. Perhaps if slaanesh was cut off from the negative aspects of their worship, they would become a god of artistry, cooking, love, and romance, rather than a god of excessive murder-orgies.
eh... Slaanesh is quite literally the god of excess; in 40k he is literally birthed from the excesses of the eldar empire at it's peak; when normal, moderated pleasures were no longer seen as being enough.
@@captainnyet9855 I see what you mean, but just because the Eldar taking it too far for a few millennia does not mean the toned down emotions (of moderated pleasures) are not valid. It could be that they just would not be enough to birth a whole new god. But now that Slaanesh is in the isolation box, perhaps it could become a minor god of "enjoying things". A hobbit god if you will, content with the simple pleasures in life.
One aspect of this that I feel is interesting is that despite Malal being in a void of non-existence he would become the most powerful chaos god for the duration of the other gods' time out as all of his aims would be met: Nurgle would be denied his flesh to rot. Khorne would be denied at least his skulls and some blood. Tzeentch would be denied his schemes. And Slaanesh would fizzle out into nothing. However his power spike would immediately be met with a power crash as terror and anarchy, which is so wonderfully provided by chaos worshippers in droves, would immediately start to disappear as those worshippers are denied their "gifts". So I think he would become an almighty god of anarchy and terror for a small amount of time until the worshipers of the dark gods get stomped by whichever empire exists in their reality(Or the Eldar/Elves). After which, order may be restored and he would feed of the orks' anarchy and the imperium's (take your pick for which universe) terror of its own citizens. Also, an interesting follow up would be how the different factions react to the loss(or major weakening) of a major existential threat. I think it would allow the Imperium of 40k to focus entirely on other large threats such as the Tyrranids or Necrons. I don't personally know enough about Fantasy/Age of Sigmar but depending on when this happens there would be no end times. Oh and the Eldar could actually live normally again. The Dark Eldar wouldn't have to murderfuck everything to continue living.
In Fantasy, you'd still have to deal with the -Skaven- ratmen that totally don't exist, Morrslieb (a second, green moon made of warpstone, i.e. the essence of the warp, solidified), any chunks of warpstone still on the planet, and the two polar Warp rifts, among God knows how many other things. And ignoring anything Warp related, the world in Fantasy is primarily a pastiche of Earth c. the 1500s, so the various human realms will probably find some excuse to slap each other silly.
In AoS, there's four primary factions: Order, Destruction, Death, and Chaos. Order's mainly where you've got your humans, dwarves, and elves (albeit under more trademarkable names), Destruction's where you can find the greenskins, beastmen, trolls, etc; Gork and Mork have somehow fused into a single, two headed entity, Death's where you've got a scheming (former) pseudo-Egyptian necromancer and a bunch of vampires, and Chaos needs no introduction, though the Great Horned Rat (Chaos god of the Skaven) has taken Slaanesh's seat while She Who Thirsts remains sealed away.
Slaanesh does actually have positive traits. Slaanesh is also desire, especially in regards to the self. Desire for happiness, to improve oneself, these are aspects of Slaanesh. Taken to the extreme, this manifests with people like Lucius, wanting to achieve perfection in a particular skill. But this isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Slaanesh is herself a manifestation of the extreme. (in 40k, at least) Slaanesh was created by the Eldar as they were trying to push every exprience to the extreme exactly because "normal" sensations had lost meaning to them. As for the reason why Slaanesh couldn't turn into anything better; it is because excess is the central pillar; if you released Slaanesh from the cage it would instantly go back to finding the absolute limits of all experience; which in practice always means going "too far"
im pretty sure it would take about 3 seconds for every single one of the gods except nurgle to turn into a glitched out rag doll stuck in a wall just violently flailing about trying to escape meanwhile papa nurgle would probably sit for a moment and then start ripping ass farting and god knows what else to try to rot his way to freedom.
"When the stars grow cold and distance. When the husk of life finally rots away. What food source does your precious Chaos have? Nothing!" - Rogal Dorn
Actually I think slaanesh might actually survive the sensory depravation tank in a kind of unexpected way. Shes the god of excess and the extremes of emotion, and that usually takes the form of extreme hedonism/sadomasochism. Techinincally boredom is a type of emotion/sensation too, but the thing is slaanesh usually has a variety of extremes to choose from: extreme pleasure, extreme pain, etc. But now the only choice she has is extreme boredom, so much so that she essentially turns into a boredom singularity almost like a new nurgle, just hyper focused on stagnancy and nothing else. Being deprived from all sensation for so long could make her completely forget what she looked like, and upon emerging she could look like big featurless silhouette, or a just person-shaped hole in reality. Maybe the silhouette could look vaguely female, as a sort final clinging vestige of her old self. One aspect of her transformation that i think could be cool is now she doesn't feel the need to make followers or demons, she just turns into an ever-expanding void, a growing realm of nothingness, kind of like Ginnungagap form norse mythology but alive and aware.
So this is basically if the SCP foundation managed to contain them. Speaking of which do you think the SCP foundation would make a good faction for 40K?
Eeeeeeeehhhh... Like their already similar to the inquisitions that is already taken up. But at the same time there are a LOT of sub-factions within the inquisition, so I don't know man.
This has already been realised in the 40k universe, in a uniquely 40k way, and it's one of my favourite pieces of lore. Underneath the Imperial Palace, are the Vaults of Terra. These vaults were constructed millennia before M40 and use containment and sealing methods no longer known to humanity. Within these vaults, are insane abominable horrors from the Age of Strife. Terrors of Old Night. Horrors beyond description. During the brutal and bloody Unification Wars where the Emperor of Mankind finally unified a post apocalyptic war ridden Earth, He encountered creations of the techno-barbarian warlords. Gene-edited abhuman mutants, technological terrors, and unholy constructs so horrifying that all of humanity would lose it's sanity should it be exposed. The men entrusted to guard these horrors? The Shadowkeepers. A specialised shield-host of the Adeptus Custodes, these veteran warriors are renowned for being absolutely unflinching and completely fearless. Such a skill is required to prowl the halls of the enormous Vaults. Just prior to the Indomitus Crusade and after an attack on Terra by daemons, some of these vaults were found to be empty, their undescribable horrors escaped and wandering the galaxy. A containment breach. This was regarded as a pretty significant 'oopsie' and was one of the reasons the Adeptus Custodes were allowed to leave Terra for the first time in 10,000 years since the Horus Heresy.
@@isaiahgay5295 true, but the foundation would rather wipe the mind of a small group of people than wipe out an entire town because they found a never ending box of cookies. That and the foundation is cross dimensional, but they do use and employ non-humans and anomalies, so they would most likely be a separate entity.
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@@miguelperez9906 There were two warp minor gods that have "something" to do with the Blood Angels. I can't remember their names, so I just call them the twins
@@moodyfingers7301oh you mean the beings that were smushed together by the emperor to make the original Sanguineous. They are still tied/linked to Sanguineous but he’s become not quite Sanguineous but a warp entity who can manipulate the two warp entity’s much like magnus manipulates things he gives power to when they upset him only to a lesser degree. The man who talks to Dante and mephiston who referred to them as his sons the guy who stuffs the dark angel into mephiston (and is also spoken about by magnus in the present tense.) that’s who I’m referring to as warp entity Sanguineous.
Interesting enough what you proposed actually happens in the SCP Mythos as there is alot of SCP entities who work and operate in similar ways as the Chaos gods do, and there are ways of locking them away, either through massive overly complicated methods like anti reality bending or anomalous means. And sometimes setting conditions where they don't have as much influence as they would or the nature of their existence completely changes.
Sometimes you stick the "protagonist" god in a story without a solvable problem. Sometimes you read a strapped-down child a story. Scp does a good job of making the cages as interesting as the caged
SCP 5001 comes to mind. A complex mechanical prison designed by one god to hold another. It holds Yaldabaoth, one of the big chaotic deities in the SCP universe, pretty much THE very embodiment of chaos actually. (And has powers that are a little bit of all four Chaos Gods of Warhammer.)
@@Rawnblade13 Yaldabaoth yep I am aware of her. She is very powerful despite not being the strongest Low elder god she is one of the most powerful leading ones. The scaling of her kind alone is enough to be above chaos gods entirely. It took everything in Mekhane who is likely her brother had to stop her after began consuming alot of sources of power from other elder gods and such. Pretty impressive on his part because it shows Mekhane was naturally powerful a likely prodigy among elder gods.
If Khorne would be kept away from constant fighting, he might wish for fighting so much that he begins to value each individual fight more, making him lean more into the fairness, honesty and honor aspect of himself. He might still like fights, but doesn't crave them anymore and instead enjoys each and every single one that occurs and which brings out the most in both participants.
While I'm not particularly interested on the chaos side of the setting, I am going to say that this kind of what if videos if properly executed could be really interesting way to further explore the setting. Also what was that outro music?
Slaanesh would absolutely find a way to enjoy a sensory deprivation chamber. It's just neglect play on the largest scale imaginable. Also, Slaanesh does have many positive aspects surrounding it (obviously, this is harder to see in WH40K). It is meant to represent pleasure in all its aspects. This included finding enjoyment in things you wouldn't or shouldn't enjoy, in order to make a terrible life bearable. It's the reason people choose to worship Slaanesh.
What if locking Slaanesh up gave her a much needed tolerance break, allowing her to experience pleasure from normal things, like tea or a couple drinks with friends?
I really love the idea of a good Tzeentch: The god of Improvement, magic, hope and knowledge who wants to see his followers spread progress and advancement throughout the universe.
Slaanesh - For the most part I think you’re right, except that I don’t think Slaanesh would cease to exist. If I had to guess they would turn into almost a deity of abstinence within their prison, having their senses muted they’d begin to obsess over the absence of sensation as a sensation itself. I don’t know then whether or not they’d revert immediately back to excess after being let out, be a new deity of ascetic temperance, or become almost like a new Nurgle promoting defeated apathy and non-experience. Tzeentch - I think, again, you’re about on the money. I feel like problematically at most Tzeentch would view the imprisonment as part of a long, long game, but that him just changing to accept positive emotions so that he could actually escape seems most likely. He could even be a new Schrödinger’s cat, with the third/second cat running around outside helping people educate themselves and make beneficial changes. Nurgle - He’d love the box too much. Unless, like you said, he needs input from the growth and decline of his plagues, then I can only envision him wallowing in his newfound stagnation with absolute glee. Khorne - I don’t necessarily agree with the idea that he would exactly become a ‘protector’ god, but I could believe that would be incidental. To me it seems much more likely that the primary beliefs and sensations he would latch onto would be honor, personal strength, and self-sufficiency. His newfound following would more or less be the wholesome side of things like homesteaders, first responders, powerlifters, etc.
In my headcanon, your endpoint of khorne is what khorne originally was. A god of honor, martial prowess, and justice. An eye for an eye, blood for blood. However, as the mortal realms developed and warfare took on a grander scale, khorne's heart hardened. Justice was no longer found in killing a murderer to avenge his victims. Khorne's justice now required the butchering of entire armies who killed without honor. Entire empires would be razed in retaliation for their crimes. Every slight, every injustice, stung at khorne like a wasp, and he was determined to dish out retribution for every one of them. That would lead to the khorne we know today: a god who has decided that mortals are inherently dishonorable creatures. That the only "justice" that can be achieved in a world like 40k is found in the slaughter of billions for the sins of their ancestors. In khorne's mind, there is no innocence, only varying degrees of guilt. He rallies his armies to bring down the old world with fire and steel so that a better one might be built on the ashes.
When you seal away these entities you aren't removing what power they already have. Slaanesh: Would vonit up Eldar souls and give them forms to make babies and do things. However they would all be living tormented aspects of the god of excess. So that's really grim. Tzeentch: literally would stop time flowing around it waiting to be let loose. Nurgle: god of death and rebirth. Would make a new garden of nurgle so when you open his box, you immediately unleash a million plagues along with a foul wind that would carry him out. Khorne: would just create more bloodthirsters and daemons to fight waiting for his inevitable release. Would likely be scratching at his walls as well as just honing his martial skills of himself and his newly created daemons.
@@pancreasnowork9939 isolation? I just don't think it's feasible to kill the chaos gods. They are just too big and if a power vacuum appears the others would fight over the gap along with other entities seeking to usurp that role. Maybe there existence is just inevitable, due to how the warp works. You remove a god allowing another entity to take its place. Kinda need to find a way to kill the ideas behind them.
I like what happens to Tzeentch, because what you said amounted to "Every Outcome", he ceases to exist (Change Aspect), he changes for the better (Ambition Aspect) and he throws endless fireballs (Magic Aspect)
Nurgle turns into the god of tough love? Speaking of, While technically Slanesh is best known for being the god[dess] of excess, they also have passion as part of their portfolio, along with artistry and a couple other things. In other words, they could become a god[dess] of love and/or art.
in 40k Slaanesh is the literal embodiment of excess (to the point of being directly created out of the excesses of the eldar) with all other associations being merely secondary and largely coincidental; of all the Chaos gods Slaanesh is the only one where we can definitively say we "know" what lies at the core of it's exsistence for that very reason; as opposed to a Nurgle where we can only hope to theorise as to what is it's central aspect (it could be life, stagnancy or decay just to name a few big ones)
It was all apart of Tzeench’s plan to be in the box and it is secretly a trap and he becomes more powerful. Also remember what Magnus discussed in TTS; killing chaos or trying to deprive the warp of chaos will just create a new kind of chaos. So in this box scenario you would just end up with new gods representing the absence of the previous gods or like an anti-chaos that is itself chaos.
In the lore series by Lutin, the emperor says that when dealing with the chaos gods he walked the only path of light. I wonder what other paths existed. The chaos gods must know their power is drawn mostly from humans and that our prosperity and existence is vital for their current form. I wonder if there was a grey or darker path the emperor could have taken that united the chaos gods with mankind. If the relationship was more amicable. If mankind was aware and informed about chaos and psychers were seen as preists and they could choose who they followed. If the chaos entities taught humans more about the warp. I bring this up because the tyrinads, from my perspective, actually have a chance of genociding the entire human population. I wonder that if chaos in our timeline would try things that would let mankind survive, not for the sake of friendship, but for their own need if endless human emotions to fuel them. If we die, they also die. As it is clear that humans are the #1 contributor to the emotions poured into the warp. I don't know if it is because 1 human produces more warp emotions than 1 eldarie, or if there has to more than 1,000,000,000,000,000+ humans. That is just my guess on the human population, but if every hive world has 1,000,000,000,000 people, then I think my number is actually conservative.
Eldars emotions are way more then humans but I think personally the reason why humans are the 1# contributors to chaos is cause we ourselves don't exactly have a set thing the eldars can choose something and go through with it humans in the other hand can't do that exactly we are in a way chaos making itself into order so that's why humans contribute more to chaos then anyone else because we are not really sure what to do
Here’s my take: Khorne and Slaanesh are pretty spot on Tzeentch would either foresee his imprisonment and come up with a plan to turn it to his advantage OR his endless ambition and scheming would allow him to keep making escape attempts until the end of time. Nurgle however, being the god of stagnation and finality would just.... sit there, forever, content to just wait and wait and wait, until he’s free or time ends, whichever comes first.
Yes! I have been waiting to make a chaos faction that worships the "old faith" as it's called in 40k where people worship the goods of the chaos gods and denounced the bad making their demons/archdemons the equivalent of an army of st. Celestine!
Ignoring the obvious "this is impossible" statement, the Khorne idea is really interesting. Would definitely shake things up to have an actual honorable and noble deity in 40k
I've always seen the Chaos Gods are both cause and consequence. Like, they influence the galaxy according to their own agenda, but they can only act within their nature. No free will. So this thought experiment is very amusing to me.
I like the disclaimer that this is barely relevant to anything actually going on in 40k because the big thing that has kept me from actually getting into 40k instead of sticking with fan stuff online is that this sort of question is way more interesting to me than anything actually going on in 40k.
If you locked the chaos gods away from all the Emotions that feed them, those Emotions would coalesce in the warp into new chaos gods with those same emotions. Or maybe a existing higher demon would grab all those emotions, becoming the new chaos god of those Emotions. Maybe Neo-Slanesh would not be as focussed on the Eldar this time, but overall it is the same under new name. The locked away versions would wither and die. If you only locked them away from the bad half of their feeding emotions, those new chaos gods would just be a lot less filtered. NeoKhorne would stop caring for Honor. NeoNurgle would just wholesale wipe out life. Etc.
got two ideas for war cries for the renewed Khorne: Swords for the Iron thrown! or Honor for the thrown of glory! but "Shields for the Shield Wall!" is pretty cool, I think.
The ultimate way to defeat Khorne would be to do what you said to do to Tzeentch here, but offer him the change of becoming an Anger Management Therapist for Khorne. Tzeentch being the mega-genius he is could probably figure out a way to pacify the dude. That being said he might scheme to go back to his days of tomfuckery after the fact, but idfk put him back in the time-out zone
I thought slaanesh's positive aspects were creativity and striving for perfection as art and a job well done cause high levels of sensation. Maybe she/he/it becomes a god of art or some shit
Granted Slaanesh is also the god of perfection in all things, I think the part of her that would survive is what gave her birth in the first place : the quest for satisfaction, rather than excess. Instead of trying to push everyone to reach "greater high", she'd be solely fed by the feelings of fulfillment that come from achieving something, without immediately building a tolerance to it. Like, week A, you have [redacted] with your wife, it feels good, week A+1, you do the thing again, it feels just as good, *and there it is*. She'd probably get more psychic energy from, say, an artist who spent hours upon hours on their craft and *just* finished it, but she wouldn't push them to insanity and making it overcomplicated and replace the paint by blood and so on. I mean come on, fizzling away with nothing left is just boring, I'm sure that would be an interresting alternative. If the god of axes in the face who's fueled by unyeilding rage can become a decent person, why couldn't my perfectionism have a deity that allows it to exist as well ?
funny how in a weird way Khorne, simultaneously, changes the most and least. also Slaanesh may TRY to latch on to the side of her that encourages creativity, art, and other such nicities.
There’s a misconception about Nurgle's “love”, he definitely loves his daemons sure they are ultimately a part of him, but his “love” for his human worshippers only go as far as the distance that his followers carry his plagues nothing more. He would never love you for who you are, as a warp based being (and like all warp beings) he absolutely despises materium constructs.
The last like 20 seconds was amazing! Now for the actual content, I know nor care too little about the chaos gods to really say much..... Love the thought experiment but just too far out there for me personally.
I feel like Tzeentch would struggle within a prison box. I do agree he could split himself into different entities, but I think the main benefit of him doing such a thing is that he creates rivals for himself to overcome. Their plots and schemes and ambition to be the strongest can be pursued as long as there are other entities inside the box competing with him.
One thing that always weirded me about Khorne is the idea that he embodies justice and honor. Like you would definitely see a bloodthirster body slam an orphan just for it looking at him wrong. In my eyes Khorne could embody the idea of a honorable duel it’s still bloodshed and honor so it would make sense for his followers to adopt a only fair fights policy. Plus this would give a cool theme to Khornes army of being the strongest but also the fairest and could add some calm to the otherwise murder train that is Korn daemons.
While I generally agree with your Slaanesh analysis, in keeping with your way of rehabbing/transformation of the gods, he/she could dial it back to be more the God of procreation and creativity. Finding new ways to express yourself doesn't always have to be through murder orgies. Also for all these transformations, it's fun to think about what new boons they'd give the new followers: Khorne giving his warriors a Sanctuary-type aura from DnD where no one can attack them unless they attack first. Or for Nurgle, transferring life from enemies to heal injuries
procreation is nurgle's domain (circle of life); creativity is Tzeench's. (progress) Slaanesh represents excess. (which is exactly why she was created the way she was in 40k lore; created when all that was in moderation had lost it's value to the eldar and they resorted to everything in it's extremes; and it is also why her manifestation was so devastating) pleasure is the main thing that leads people to slaanesh; but it is only the excess of pleasure that slaanesh really represents her, (as does the excess of pain, or sorrow, or any other experience) of all the human states of mind, it is perhaps only ambition that can be seens as Slaaneshi.
I think the bigger issue here is that by cutting off all that power they should be receiving you may just create something worse. Maybe the gods are born anew outside the box but you might just create a "god of misplaced prayer" which amps up everything you displaced in one horrible package. A being so terrible that it forces the factions to unite against it. You may even need those shiny new gods you "purified" to help defeat what replaced them.
I really like the analysis and *almost* completely agree with the conclusions, with the exception of Slannesh and Tzeench. The former I always understood as feeding off *emotions in general* not specifically excessive ones. It's just that more emotions/more excess, means more power so that's what she encourages. So my guess (under that understanding) would be that she'd turn into the heart of the pantheon, acting in a similar vein as Isha in the caring fashion, but from an emotional rather than physical sense. Tzeench I've understood as a God of Magic and Knowledge *primarily* and scheming as a convenient secondary. Take away the latter and I could see him focus more on the former so I'd see him coming out as The God of Knowledge and Invention, with maybe a bit of carefree-ness as a byproduct of his old scheming nature. Kinda like a mix between Odin & Loki, or something like that? I don't know, just kinda spitballing here...
Imo they’d just disappear in the box with no food, sure some time may be required but they’d go. During that time would something else take their place or would it just be themselves reincarnated? Would the time in the above case be any effect? Wouldn’t it warp shenanigans back to they were them?
If more people were like Bardin Gorrekson the world would be a better place
you forgot the 5th chaos God
Nah if everyone was EREBUS it would be a better place
@@spacewolf1313 literal hellworld
Long live maLaL the 5th chaos god
@@pancreasnowork9939 Nah bro, EREBUS is a bus but it's over there.
id like a story in which the grey knights find out that the warp is awful pretty much because peoples lives are awful, so they start going around the galaxy improving the living conditions of imperial worlds
Grey Knight: “Sir, we gave the people running water, nutritious food, terraformed the planet to its natural beauty, and heavily reduced the industrial load of the planet while increasing the living space for each citizen.
Calgar: “I told you to pacify that planet and end the demon worship!”
Grey Knight: “we did, sir.”
Imagine they help everyone but then the inquisition kills every person on that planet cuz they saw the greyknights
Good luck getting the adeptus Mechanicus to agree considering they make and operate pretty much all of the Imperium's best toys.
There aren't enough Grey Knights to fix the whole galaxy, even if they tried.
@@Hustle-bones the grey knights aren't stupid they probably know about that rule so they most likely say that they're from the ultra blue or blood angels
From what I've been told, simply enjoying something, like a meal, would feed Slaanesh to a minimal degree like a drop in a bucket. In the same way that getting into a fistfight feeds Khorne, beating someone in a children's card game feeds Tzeentch, and getting the common cold feeds Nurgle. These small things that feed the gods in a minuscule amount but does build up a bit across the entire galaxy.
Beating someone in a children's card game depowers tzinch, losing powers him
@@calebbarnhouse496 No, either one would.
Sounds stupid and would probably be like using a battery that powers a game controller to power a Carrier but so is trying to imprison one of these chaos demons for good while removing their source of food/power so who knows
@@Predator20357 why is it stupid? The logic seems sound
@@42Nightsyesterday What I mean is that while it might add up a tiny bit, Nurgle is going to be pathetically weak, small colds may add up but we aren’t dealing with a planetary threat, we are dealing with potential a Multi Universal demon gods. This means that like I said, it’s like using a game controller battery to power a Carrier. I don’t know what it’ll take but a simple cold even if you take the entire universe would probably be like 0.1 for a chaos god.
It’s too weak to provide anything of use to the Chaos Gods, you will need stuff like a town wallowing in their own excrement, a horrific orgy, mass amount of hope/an absolute grand scheme, or a Brutal Battle for it to actually be worth while and lasting to a demon god, I mean look at the place they fully corrupt. A fist fight between two people won’t be enough to even make the tips of all the grass in the region to be slightly redder. All the small colds in the galaxy would probably power up like 10 Nurgle demons.
TDLR; It’s stupid because even if it’s true that those things would feed the Chaos God and power it, it’s very temporary, very weak and has no punch to it for a chaos god that from what I see, is at least galaxy sized but can also be Multi Universal.
"There is no way for a chaos god go be cut off from his source of power"
The tyrandis - Allow us to introduce ourselves
I wasn't expecting that outro, but it made me smile
It will fall to the little girl that entered Tzeentch's domain.
A child, or a spirit, or a ghoul or a giggling trickster; hardly a threat, and yet she managed, for some purpose, to walk into Tzeentch's endless maze, face the trials and guiles therein, and then leave, with nary a feather out of place.
What a change that must have been.
Tzeentch is a schemer, a warper, twisting and changing and leaving no stone, nor plan, unturned. At any point, he could have confronted that young girl with more than the pitiful riddling of his beaked followers. He chose not to, and in doing so, invited challenge and embarrassment and the threat that any errant thread presents when it becomes aware of its own power. Why would he risk this? What could possibly make it worthwhile?
What a change that must have been.
The feelings of being... challenged, truly conquered, truly altered, in a way he might not have experienced before, could only have brought him to his proverbial knees. And here we find the doom, and the opportunity, for the universe at large.
How different would it be, thinks Tzeentch, to simply die?
Nurgle finds in this new, self-blaspheming Tzeentch a perfect decay- a desire to change the status quo even at the cost of his own integrity, his own principles. Slaanesh finds in this reborn, extreme, self-harming Tzeentch an obsession, and an addiction, that would carve further and further into need. Khorne finds in Tzeentch the chance of a strifetime; the opportunity to take change in hand, and crush it.
Tzeentch must have more change, greater change, more rapid and demanding, and of the very sort least accessible to him; change in himself. What greater high could there be to the god of change than to become something different, something less?
What a change that must have been.
And when Tzeentch is gone, consumed by a million self-gnawing maws, and when his minions are scattered to the Warp, or left unburied on distant quasi-cognitive fields of strife, and when the three Chaos gods look to each other in hunger, and when a billion trillion life forms, set against each other, smell the fading hand of the Changer of Ways, and when the tides of battle change for action and consequence, and when great men seize the day to inflict their wills upon a scarred and branded galaxy, and when the first victories against the decay and the slaughter and the excess raise the spirits of the damned, and when the Imperium falls under its own weight, and the Necrons unify under a single flag, and the Tyranids are driven back at incalculable cost, and the Dark Eldar meet their spiraling, cursed end in the Webway, and when the Emperor of Man is finally- finally- allowed his eternal rest, and when the universe lies, breathing heavy at the exhaustion of its armies...
...the sentient creatures of the cosmos will begin to build once more. Eons of darkness, carved against with the smallest, and most insistent of tools. For fate is now in the hands of the farmer and the bricklayer and the soldier and the caretaker, and all who see fit to claim it for themselves.
And a million years down the line, when the scars of these events are weathered and wearing away, or held in some bastion of learning, or some zoo amidst the stars, the children of the tomorrows yet unknown will look upon these bastardized centuries, and think to themselves...
What a change that must have been.
I like the video and what you said makes sense. I actually plan to make a video about what if the chaos gods were good guys, but you partly beat me to it.
B4 the video gets going, I always kind of figured maybe you could destroy these incarnations of the chaos gods (maybe) but what they represent are such fundamental components of reality and all sentient races that you can't really permanent get rid of them unless you necronize the whole ass universe
Edit; sooooo best case scenario
- Tzeentch would be way less complicated and mostly a force for good
- Khorne would be a god of martial honor
- And Nurgle would be a big tiddy nature gf who occasionally gives you the sniffles
Memes aside that actually sounds really cool
I'm pretty sure nothing good would happen, but I applaud being optimistic in the face of Chaos gods. First problem is, Chaos gods already regularly take parts of themselves to create their demons, so what stops them from just making a bunch of demons to suffer in the way they prefer within their box? I'm not sure if the law of conservation of energy exists in some form in the warp, but the crazy stuff it does suggests it doesn't. They could just make a perpetual torment machine, in a box, which I bet a lot of Dark Eldar would die to get their hands on.
Next problem is that isolating the Chaos gods does not isolate the warp. Everyone outside that prison is still doing the things that made Chaos in the first place. What prevents new Chaos gods from just arising out of that? And if they did, will they try to reunify with the originals? Fight them? Merge with them? Whatever the case, now we have eight of them instead of four, at least for a time, and that is unacceptable. Chaos warriors are already unforgivably spikey, and they'd only get worse with sixteen-pointed stars.
If you really want to neutralize the forces of damnation, I suggest something far more practical, xenos. The Mechanicus has the technology to build Necron pylons, sealing away the warp forever. But we still need the warp for travel, so you teach us how to build your Webways, or if you've forgotten how, let us study them. Then one of two outcomes is most likely. Either we figure out a way to secure and maintain them against what is sure to become a huge demonic assault, or we just don't have warp travel and will have to beat up the Tau for their lunch money and realspace drives. No, peace with mind control weeb collectivists is not an option. They already evolved too quickly, so we're both served by neutralizing them.
Note, this is not a peace treaty. I am well aware that the Eldar have designs to reclaim the galaxy from humanity, and that is not happening. But at least this way, you get to live a lot longer and your souls won't be eaten. There are worse enemies to die to than each other, so we can kill them first. Or who knows, you may finally realize that the glory days of the Eldar are over, and resign yourself to Craftworlds or Exodite worlds beyond our reach. This is also acceptable, as well as what you have already been doing. Knowing the Administratum around this place, humans will forget you existed in a millennia or so. Out of sight, out of mind, and you get to survive. If you wanted to, you could probably even track the Tyranids back to whatever galaxy they fled from and occupy that. Surely, you have the sorcery to reclaim dead worlds, since the "primitive" Mechanicum does already. Or if not, you'll have millions of years to figure it out.
See? All this has the bonus of being decidedly less chaotic than our current state of affairs, or gift-wrapping Chaos gods and whatever fresh hell that would unleash. Input Interface = OPEN
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Imagine that nurgle suddenly became a good guy, he will form a beautiful family with Isha and they will start improvin health of all people in the galaxie, and the plague marine instead of been those obese abonimatons they will became something like ONG volunteers that help entire Planets to overcome plagues and pandemies.
so instead of "BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! SKULL FOR THE SKULL THRONE!" we might get "GLORY AND HONOR FOR KHORN!"
I am thinking two things:
Either a rival group of "order" gods who represent the extreme form of order which is a threat to all life that doesn't want to live in a galaxy that makes the dystopian novel precursor "We" One State look like an anarchist commune.
Or something that I've seen more explored in fantasy where southern Norscans(and fanon Ind) indirectly worship chaos through socially acceptable versions that don't aren't comically evil but rather have nuance or actual goodness. Which reminds me of this one image I saw reimagining the gods of chaos as orderly greeko-roman gods.
Insulin for the insulin god
Pancreas for the Pancreas throne
If you mixed all four in a box youd actually get some interesting results: god of honorable war from khorne. New God of discovery and magic from slaaneshs need for new experiences tzentchs need for academia. God of the cycle of life and death formed from nurgles cycle and tzentchs change. God of protection and family from khorne and Nurgle.
Khorn could, albiet over a long time, easily become a god of war and combat centered around honor and conviction as those are already PARTS of his Blood and Skulls incarnation now.
Because to purify chaos is pretty easy *they just need to go broke*
blood for the blood god
so you're saying we could dilute the chaos gods into Hermaeus Mora, Peryite, and Malacath, instead of what we have now?
My version of the story where the Chaos Gods die off would have a particularly powerful version of Darth Revan (female, Dark Side) who knows the Malachor V life-drain powers and Ergast's soul-binding ritual get captured by the Chaos Gods. She starts off by using her Sith army to wage war against Chaos forces, converting a few Chaos Marine warbands to her Dark Side Sith ways and using the life-drain technique on Chaos Lords and the soul-binding technique on Daemon Princes to make herself more powerful. Then Abaddon lures her into a trap where he challenges her to a 1v1 battle but the battle arena was a portal to the Chaos realm, so she gets sucked into it and captured by the Chaos Gods.
Since she's powerful and useful, the Chaos Gods don't just kill her, they decide to try and turn her. The Chaos Gods torture the living fuck out of her, until she agrees to serve them, but she says she can only serve one. She's experienced forbidden love, bottomless rage, she's experimented with Sith alchemy to create diseases, and she's plumbed into the depths of the Force to gain Lovecraftian powers unknown to most, so the Chaos Gods start fighting over her, only for each blow they deal to each other, she's slowly siphoning their energy without them knowing.
The Chaos Gods feud a lot, so they don't notice until they start feeling exhausted for the first time in millennia, and they realize their captive has siphoned enough energy from them to become stronger than ALL FOUR OF THEM, and so she breaks free from her chains and uses the Chaos Gods' own power against them, beating them back while draining more energy from them. Once she's weakened them enough, she uses the Sith soul-binding ritual to absorb them. She then has all the power of all four Chaos Gods imprisoned within her newly-empowered body, and eventually, they will die out within the confines of her consciousness. Revan then returns to the material world, with the Daemon Primarchs Lorgar, Angron, Mortarion, Magnus, and Fulgrim, all bending the knee along with their subordinates, pledging allegiance to her Sith Empire.
A wet dream? Bleh.
@@nobleman9393 Not really. More like a nightmare the Chaos Gods can't wake from.
@@HolyknightVader999 I hope you will wake up.
@@nobleman9393 You're just jealous that the Sith have the mechanics necessary to kill the Chaos Gods.
@@HolyknightVader999 I'm jealous that you created such an amazing OC
Alright hear me out.
Lets take the Chaos Gods and put them in a dimensions with four other Gods who are the polar opposite of them.
No armies or followers for either.
can ork imagination make these boxes if we get enough orks
So your just saying to put the chaos gods in rehab
I have a feeling Slaanesh would end up so starved of sensation, that if she's let out of the box after an arbitrary amount of time, she just begins finding pleasure in the simple things in life, enjoying a sunny day, a homemade meal, etc. . This means that she just becomes a more toned down version of herself, just reveling in existence.
Nurgle would be an odd one to deal with because he would probably need to be put in a sterile cage where life can't really flourish to stop him from creating anything new, which I think would just result in him kinda being emaciated and just becoming a god of the dead and not of the cycle of life like he is now.
I have a feeling with Tzeentch being a god of change, he kinda fractures and part of him remains the same everchanging self, and the other part changes itself permanently into something more static like a simple god that only deals with hope or something and that aspect gets let out.
Finally for Khorne, I think he rages for a couple hundred or thousand years until he eventually gets burnt out, and start meditating and becomes kinda like one of those monks that value martial ability but use it more like a last resort.
Khorne: Shaolin monk
Tzeentch: who the fuck knows
Slaneesh: regular person
Nurgle: Hades/Thanatos
I've seen it as inconsistent as to whether Slaanesh is a god of *excess* or a god of *desire* - And personally, I much prefer the later, mostly because it opens the door for Slaanesh worshipers besides "Weird Sex Monster #8,572".
On Tzeench - I think that out of all the Chaos Gods, Tzeench already the closest to being 'pure', to whatever extent that's possible. Change is very literally what makes the world go round, and Change is also something a lot more thematically resonant and fundamental to the universe than things like Ambition, Magic, or Scheming. When you cut Tzeench free of those things, they're still a scary god - Change *is* scary, after all - But in a much more "This is part of grappling with the reality of the human experience" way instead of a "EVERYTHING IS ON FIRE" way.
Also worth noting that a lot of Slaanesh is about perfection. She could become the type of person that revels in the joys of life and strives to be a better person, to perfect herself
@@firetarrasque4667 I always believed the "excess"part much more, specifically because of the way Slaanesh is created in 40k lore; it is the idea that no matter how far you take anything, it can always go that bit further; as opposed to desire, which is a very finite pursuit of the base pleasures. (such as the desire to sell weird sex monsters to depraved wargamers)
For Tzeentch specifically, he's also associated with magic and knowledge, he could easily end up transforming into the God of Hope, Magic, and Knowledge
Just an entertaining extension of that "Protector of the week" angle from Khorne, apparently the ancient Thracians interpreted their version of Ares as something similar, with the added angle that he is the protector of victims of rape and sexual assault. More plainly put, Khorne could come out of this EVEN MORE wanting to kill Slaanesh.
Is it even physicly possible for Khorne to hate something more?
@@YatzeeWillWearAGreenHat On one hand, it is hypothetically impossible to hate something more than Khorne does. On the other hand, how could Khorne possibly have a limit to their hatred?
@@falconstudios146 Big thinkin'
@@falconstudios146 That's actually a good question
@@YatzeeWillWearAGreenHat Perhaps it is a question of relative hate. By hating other things less, Khorne would have more time to focus on his hating of Slaanesh and put more resources into fighting it.
I just like the idea of killing a bloodthirster by turn a battle into a cuddle party, or a keeper of secrets by turning a drug party into a rehab counsel. Just dumb positive things counter the grimdark setting just tickles my fancy.
I've always wanted to see some kind of Tau zen master as their "answer" to demonic powers. They don't have to be "psychic" in the traditional sense, maybe; just so utterly at peace, so perfectly in balance, that it fucks up daemons in their presence.
ANGEL HUG
Nurgle visiting a children's cancer center. Cures everyone's everything.
**khornate screaming**
How did that make you feel?
**khornate screaming**
I see…
**khornate crying**
@@Nukefandango Tau blanks as zen masters?
Lorgar's homeworld of Colchis worshipped Khaane Slanat Narag and Tezen which where noble gods that represented the better aspects of the chaos gods. I imagine if the sea of souls was quelled or they were locked into a magic space box they would revert to these noble idealizations of honor, fertility, growth, and knowledge respectively.
I did I think it was spelled “Cultus?” I’ve only ever heard it, not spelled out
Are you sure about fertility thou? Isn't Slaanesh is about enjoyment?
@@insanity9329 both really
@@insanity9329 Fair point, I was basing it off of an image I've seen floating around of the 4 chaos gods are like noble human greek god types and slaneesh is listed as the goddess of fertility art and music. Although I do feel like Nurgle being life growth and the garden might have fertility too? Unless they mean literally having children through sex which I guess is very slaneesh
@@Neurokonis Hmmm.
I've thought about this before, so here's my personal take.
Slaanesh: God of Love, Pleasure, and Creativity. Slaanesh would be fairly simple to convert to the nice side since there's no particular reason for Slaanesh to focus on depravity, at least not more than generosity and sharing. Exploring the wonders of kindness and every possible way to help someone. A fairly basic pleasure god with the hallmark feasts and festhalls, less concerned with dominating and all and more of providing the gift of giving. Sharing is caring, and they love to show how much they care.
Tzeentch: God of Magic, Knowledge, and Self-Improvement. I picture a nice Tzeentch as a Gandalfy, Dumbledorish figure. The grand wizard in his tower, subtly guiding all who follow him to reach their ultimate potential. Magic is possibility, and he's dedicated to making everything as good as it can be, and then a little bit more. Never let it be said that there's nothing to be done and that change is impossible. Things can always get better, and if fate says otherwise he'll blast it aside and write up a better ending.
Nurgle: God of Rebirth, Contentment, and Symbiosis. Nurgle's the easiest god for me to imagine as good since he's almost a standard nice nature god, he just needs to learn that it isn't nice to spread plagues. His jolly brewmaster personality stays but with an emphasis on improving life. It breaks his heart that the lowest lifeforms don't get along with the highest so he alters them to make them symbiotic. Grandfather loves you no matter how ugly you are and he'll help you find your place in the world and comfort you when its time to go and let someone else take your stead.
Khorne: God of Battle, Courage, and Righteous Wrath. The good ol, fashion noble crusader (or savage) rescuing the weak and smiting the cowards who'd dishonorably abuse them. Unlike normal however things don't end with one, or preferably both, parties bleeding to death. This is ultimately better for him since his worshiper base is stable. He hates weakness, but his followers empower the weak to make them the strong and collect the armor and shields of the fallen to use for their future defense. Strength for the Strength God! Shields for the Shield Wall!
“I am courage and honor, the source of all strength. I am the soldier in every battle; I am his sword, and his will to wield it. I am every friend who stand with him, as I am every foe who stand against him. I am the sword who strikes down the wicked, and I am the shield who shelters the weak, that they may rise and grow strong.
For I am strength. I am honor.
I am Khorne.”
“I am the Keeper of Knowledge. I will know all, and all will know through me. I am in every stroke of the pen and in every word of every tongue; I am every letter ever written, every secret ever kept, every tale ever told.
I am the hand that draws the map and the beast who lies beyond its edge. I am the lost knowledge which waits to be found, and I am the spark which drives men to seek it. I am the ember of hope that calls to you in your darkest hours, and I am the torchlight that guides your way.
I am the Spark of Discovery, the Great Sorcerer, the Bringer of Hope. I am the Changer of Ways.
I am Tzeentch.”
“I am the cycle made manifest. I am life and death, growth and decay. I keep the Sacred Cycle of Nature. All will grow and live and die and rot, and from their rot will new life grow to live and die and rot. So turns the wheel; so turns the cycle.
I am in every newborn’s first cry, and in every elder’s final words. I am the bloom of springtime blossoms and I am the fall of autumn leaves. I am the first and last beat within every heart.
I am the Keeper of the Cycle; I am the Sower and the Reaper, the great Gardener of Men. I am the Grandfather.
I am Nurgle.”
“I am love and pleasure in all its forms. I am the masterpiece and its muse. I am art and artist alike, the musician and her song. I am every spark of passion that sets the heart aflame and aflutter; the most fleeting of fancies and the deepest desires. I am all love, from the most simple joys to the most cherished and enraptured. I am love in its most noble and carnal; piety and depravity alike.
For I am love.
I am Slaanesh.”
I had this idea myself a few months back, and it has not left me alone since then.
I am not complaining. I love this concept of the Chaos Gods having a good side!
@@claypigeon7063Dude or Dudette that is very beautifully written.
Ok but shields for the shield wall is actually pretty baller
@@claypigeon7063 for some weird reason i'm image them doing power rangers like moves while they are saying this🤣
"My plan to beat Chaos is to make everyone atheists."
"Great plan."
"Also I'm going to create a bunch of psychic demigods that may well end up splitting the galaxy in two in order to help those gods."
"Wait what."
That first plan created a new chaos god though. Turns put militant atheism is a committed belief system that can impact on the warp just like anything else.
@@seekingabsolution1907 I mean besides, have you seen R/Atheism? Turns out Atheism can become a cult too because even a cricket bat can act like a hammer when you glorify it.
@@seekingabsolution1907 Big E was the original redditor
“I’m going to instill a militant, atheistic dogma to declare that there’s no such thing as the supernatural.”
Stated the titanic, immortal superhuman who’d lived thousands of years and was born from the congealed souls of many ancient shamans.
The Emperor really exemplifies the belief that the attempt to replace religion with atheism will invariably evolve into another religion, I agree with this idea somewhat, arguably the thing that ruins both is Dogma, strict thoughtless adherence to rules you don't understand and can't explain without saying "because someone other than me said so" of course without some form of Dogma you can't have structure, humanity relies on being able to share and accept experiences, ideas and rules that came from someone else sometimes blindly, you can let a kid touch a hot eye once to get that fire bad but if that kid has to personally experience or think about every single idea/rule/sensation they would go catatonic or would cease to be the first time they thought they had to jump off a twenty story building without safety gear in order to prove the fall would kill them
The Tzeentch scenario is so totally he starts dividing himself up. Like at first it's two halves too communicate with at least someone but then they divide to form opinion groups, then these groups start trying to trick each other and you get a micro cosom of Tzeenchian hierarchy.
Then you open the chamber/box like 1billion ad and it's like stepping on a spider that's carrying offspring.
Just as planned >:)
Spiders are basically the Devil.
Tzeentch just creates his own little universe in there with all the different pieces of him being the inhabitants, constantly plotting against each other and fighting with magic
Tzeentch creating his own society using nothing but himself is the most tzeentch thing ever
That is quite possibly the worst way to describe it. I love it.
Hey even if it’s pointless it’s fun to hear you talk
as opposed to the very important other videos. (That we also obviously enjoy)
Slaanesh death is depressing though
Khorne’s story arc in this scenario would be an amazing movie
I don't want to be a blood and skulls god anymore. I just want to be happy. I just want my respect, my honor and dignity back.
absolutely
its basically kratos without the boy.
@@jonathanathor117 The idea of a 'pretty clearly Satan' evil god that's clearly Khorne with the serial numbers filed off being confined, thinking on it all and realizing no amount of blood or skulls actually makes him happy amuses me.
Since Khorne supposedly awoke during the Crusades, him becoming a Crusader/Paladin deity makes a lot of sense.
By the same logic
If nurgle was cut off from pestilence he would probably embody the good parts of the plague. Instead of stagnation he could be resilience
The pattern of cloth and wax plague doctors used to block flees, the bodies state of homeostasis
This is old lore from the 80s that has been retconned for a long time now.
@@Gorg-oe1hu
Tell me what the new lore says and I'll decide if it's worthy of being true.
I think there’s possibility that slaanesh could survive this sensory deprivation tank/prison. They might not have access to physical senses but they still have a mind. Slaanesh might do a complete 180 from mainly physical excess, to a god that represents a sort of elevated mind state. Kind like nirvana.
An *excessively* elevated mental state. When you meditate for too long, overdose on nirvana, and become a chaos spawn.
@@alltat Slaaneshi meditation techniques that make your brain develop a DMT gland
@@JRexRegis someone should use AI to put Slannesh on Joe Rogan's podcast
I think purified versions of chaos gods would be really similar to some Aedra and Daedra from Elder Scrolls, they have their spheres of influence, not necessarily evil but also not necessarily benevolent.
How I envision it:
Khorne - Malacath/Trinimac
Nurgle - Peryite, I think this one especially fits into what you described
Tzeentch - Julianos and Mephala
Slaneesh - Dibella and Sanguine
I can’t be bothered to explain why, but if you know, I think you’ll agree
Also, if Nurgle is about family then he would be close to Mara, which is really funny to think about comparing these two
THIS! Personally, I think this is how the chaos gods should be treated in warhammer. Beings that are neither entirely evil or good, but follow concepts and rules that can be applied to any situation. However, I think slaanesh fits mephala more, being the dark god of sex and secrets after all.
I say Molag Bal is objectively pure evil, his domains involve R*pe, slavery, corruption, and domination, who has the intention of harvesting every soul in existence for the sole purpose of torturing them forever in his domain Coldharbour all for the fun of it.
@@brandonlyon730 True, but the Dunmer still see him as useful (or essential to the world I guess?), he’s representing a challenge to overcome to achieve enlightenment.
This is why I love TES, on paper you have only a few deities, but cultural interpretations add so much more to them.
@@brandonlyon730 quote from The House of Troubles: Malacath, Mehrunes Dagon, Molag Bal, and Sheogorath are holy in that they serve the role of obstacles during the Testing.
The timing on this is nutty. Before you uploaded this yesterday, I drove home and thought, "wait, what if the God Emperor's plan was to create a universe so structured and overall good for everyone, it starved the chaos Gods and forced them to evolve into more pure versions of themselves."
Then I got home and thought "you know, I haven't heard from Pancreas for while, wonder what his latest video was."
What I'm saying is, I'm basically a confirmed Psyker.
Heresy
@@Falsealarm. No
The vibe I got from the books is he’s trying to put the chaos gods back in their box and they fight back through the Horus Heresy to stop him so he must have been doing something to worry them.
@@stevepirie8130isn’t the evil version of someone of thing trying to stop purification a super common trope?
I actually think slaanwsh would survive and maybe come out completely different. See, slaanesh's excess is strange, cause whilst it is true that the empowerment of a deathorgy is nothing to scoldrer about, simple pleasures can still be an energi to slaanesh. The kinkyness of humanity today fx, could power slaanesh to some extent. And if slaanesh really uses more time in her little bubble, she becomes more numb and maybe gets enpowered more heavily by simple pleasures. Finally they would emerge out of their tomb as a guy who kicked heroin and now only gets empowered by the simple pleasures and love. Litterally the best case scenario for the elves and eldar aswell. The drukharri no longer have to do sexslave raids (even though they might still do it) and the craftworld can focus on building a better future without a rape daemon in the back of their minds.... just my thoughts on the matter.
Also excess is subjective. When you are hungry even simple meal gonna taste awesome. So maybe starved slaneesh gonna be content with simple joys of life.
Even though sooner or later they gonna go overboard again, so this idea need more thinking.
Slaanesh is also more than just excess, though that is her primary thing. She is also desire, desire to pursue happiness, to improve one's self. There are positive aspects to Slaanesh.
I've always taken issue with all of Slaanesh's followers being deathorgy cultists. Someone at a deathorgy isn't necessarily enjoying themselves "more" than some dude who's really into bird watching, because enjoyment is fundamentally an internal, subjective experience.
Not everyone likes extreme situations. This doesn't mean that their feelings are any less powerful than anyone else.
The Dark Eldar don’t have to be like they are even now, they chose to be death bdsm rapists, they will keep being that way
@@firetarrasque4667 exactly. By that extent slaanesh should be dead in 40k, cause who is really enjoying themselves except the orks?
The concept of “grey” chaos gods is always infinitely more interesting than just pure evil
i wonder what emperor would think of these plans since his goal (atleast in tts) was to make the choas gods a non threat
The Elder Scrolls basically did that and called them "The Daedra".
If you just starved them of all emotions at once, they would die. You need to have some kind of trickle drip-feed of the right kind of emotions. Outside of Slaanesh's timeout pod, put a concert hall. Tzeench's pod comes equipped with a stadium for yugioh card battles. Nurgle gets a viking longhouse where people vibe and feast all the time. Khorne gets a warrior lodge where people compete in tests of strength and duel but are also bros.
Something that I don't see brought up a lot is that Nurgle's love isn't love at all. It's literally an abusive relationship in a mocking imitation of familial love.
I constantly bring that up on reddit and get downvoted it’s really dumb
I disagree. Nurgle loves all life, it's just that bacteria is more prolific of life than anything else so it makes sense he focuses on that. I never saw him as stagnacy and decay but rather infection because if you take one living thing and infect them with bacteria you make one thing into billions of things. It goes with his gifts. They match his motivations, not the desires of who gets the gifts
@@haroldsandahl6408 yeah stagnancy isn't as great part of his beings as everyone even GW implies especially since a big thing about nature in general is evolution through survival of the fittest and almost all the time we hear about nurgle or his followers they are cooking and nurturing either new plagues or making better strains of existing ones
He pretty much treats them like disposable pets.
I like the idea of Nurgle basically saying "I'll make you immortal... but you won't like it"
Honestly, If this didn't end in "they die without the emotions" then I think nothing would change for nurgle, or even more he'd become a God of pure entropy and stagnation because all he could do is stagnate.
Get his ass on a treadmill
Malice/Malal would probably turn into a God of supporting others and saying “I’m proud of you”
And returning to Monke
Malal might take on the form of the God of Reason - or the God of Ideals. The reason for its entire existence is the hatred of the warp born and those who allow the warp born to manifest from their thoughts. By purifying the Chaos Gods, Malal ceases to be the God that intrisically hates Chaos, but instead becomes the godly authority on keeping the Gods (and their worshippers) in check and maintaining their purity. Instead of wanting to destroy everything due to the setting being a lost cause, Malal is the one attempting to maintain order and stop the setting becoming a lost cause. In a sense - he could be a less faction-associated god akin to Big E, just without the humanity bias.
@@carozan6210 Damn, that’s smart
@@themostmagicskeleton273 Thanks my dude! :)
@@carozan6210 no problem, but maybe don’t steal my thunder next time ;)
Jk I’m just bashing ya
Khorne would probably turn into a 50/50 where he’d still be a god of war and combat but probably make people solely focused on their reason for fighting to an unhealthy extent. Example: guardsmen joins to protect his homeworld in a war that’s beyond his understanding. Overtime khorne empowers him to not only be able to fight back the forces endangering his home but also identify what those threats are so that he can keep fighting said threats until they’re no longer a factor in his goals.
TLDR: khorne would turn honorable guardsmen into slightly paranoid man fighting zealously against anything that threatens his home
(Sounds kinda like Batman)
So pretty much just a normal guardsmen then
The only way to actual weaken Chaos is to bring back Malal and his pet god Necoho. An Chaos God based on pure Anarchy and his minion who's a living paradox, literally sabotaging everything that they do just because he can, and that, in of itself, is the nature of chaos.
Unfortunately, one thing stronger than chaos itself is preventing Malal from coming back; copyright holders.
Imagine if, in this scenario, the newly fixed Chaos gods got sent back in time dur to warp shenanigans and had to build up their powerbase to destroy their old selves, trying to avoid feeding their lesser halves as they do.
That’s a cool concept I’d love to see
Problem is: Old Chaos gods are definitly stronger than the new versions.
@@YatzeeWillWearAGreenHat But perhaps less wise and maybe unaware of their "new" versions? Except Tzeentch of course, he'd definitely know. But he might be inclined to let it happen anyway because of scheming reasons.
@@wanderhillen2435 Tszeench would know, and be too sure in it's own victory (or just tell itself this was the plan all along, after all that IS Tzeentch over there, winning isn't it?) to do anything that would really stop the purified version. Khorne would be thrilled to have another worthy foe (so would Gork and Mork for that matter) who actually fights honorably too! Nurgle would likely have a hard time dealing with the purified version pointing out "I am what you should have remained as, so who is stagnant here?"
Slannesh would freak the hell out and end up ruining itself trying to deny the good feelings, which just hurts it more while the purified Slannesh benefits from the good and sooths the bad, which means most of the cults flip sides immediately. (Deity of Hedonism where I don't have to up my coke input constantly? Being selfish, for a cultist like me the winner is clear.)
@@Sorain1 Tszeench
- Ah, so my new self came here to beat me, but he is me, so if he beats me I win!
While these are cool thought experiments, I don’t think slaanesh would fade away. Yes, he/she/they are the god excess, but they are also the god of joy, art and love. Perhaps if slaanesh was cut off from the negative aspects of their worship, they would become a god of artistry, cooking, love, and romance, rather than a god of excessive murder-orgies.
The excess would still influence. So it would likely be a yandere instead of the murderous town bicycle.
eh...
Slaanesh is quite literally the god of excess; in 40k he is literally birthed from the excesses of the eldar empire at it's peak; when normal, moderated pleasures were no longer seen as being enough.
@@captainnyet9855 I see what you mean, but just because the Eldar taking it too far for a few millennia does not mean the toned down emotions (of moderated pleasures) are not valid. It could be that they just would not be enough to birth a whole new god. But now that Slaanesh is in the isolation box, perhaps it could become a minor god of "enjoying things". A hobbit god if you will, content with the simple pleasures in life.
You are now picturing Purified Slaanesh being the deity of 'Get Gud, scrub!'.
One aspect of this that I feel is interesting is that despite Malal being in a void of non-existence he would become the most powerful chaos god for the duration of the other gods' time out as all of his aims would be met:
Nurgle would be denied his flesh to rot.
Khorne would be denied at least his skulls and some blood.
Tzeentch would be denied his schemes.
And Slaanesh would fizzle out into nothing.
However his power spike would immediately be met with a power crash as terror and anarchy, which is so wonderfully provided by chaos worshippers in droves, would immediately start to disappear as those worshippers are denied their "gifts". So I think he would become an almighty god of anarchy and terror for a small amount of time until the worshipers of the dark gods get stomped by whichever empire exists in their reality(Or the Eldar/Elves). After which, order may be restored and he would feed of the orks' anarchy and the imperium's (take your pick for which universe) terror of its own citizens.
Also, an interesting follow up would be how the different factions react to the loss(or major weakening) of a major existential threat. I think it would allow the Imperium of 40k to focus entirely on other large threats such as the Tyrranids or Necrons. I don't personally know enough about Fantasy/Age of Sigmar but depending on when this happens there would be no end times.
Oh and the Eldar could actually live normally again. The Dark Eldar wouldn't have to murderfuck everything to continue living.
The good ending!👍
Well, dark Eldar would probably still be assholes, but without the chaos gods as an issue the imperium could take a second to wipe them out real quick
The wouldnt would have, they would still tho, mostly for shits and giggles
In Fantasy, you'd still have to deal with the -Skaven- ratmen that totally don't exist, Morrslieb (a second, green moon made of warpstone, i.e. the essence of the warp, solidified), any chunks of warpstone still on the planet, and the two polar Warp rifts, among God knows how many other things. And ignoring anything Warp related, the world in Fantasy is primarily a pastiche of Earth c. the 1500s, so the various human realms will probably find some excuse to slap each other silly.
In AoS, there's four primary factions: Order, Destruction, Death, and Chaos.
Order's mainly where you've got your humans, dwarves, and elves (albeit under more trademarkable names), Destruction's where you can find the greenskins, beastmen, trolls, etc; Gork and Mork have somehow fused into a single, two headed entity, Death's where you've got a scheming (former) pseudo-Egyptian necromancer and a bunch of vampires, and Chaos needs no introduction, though the Great Horned Rat (Chaos god of the Skaven) has taken Slaanesh's seat while She Who Thirsts remains sealed away.
Slaanesh does actually have positive traits. Slaanesh is also desire, especially in regards to the self. Desire for happiness, to improve oneself, these are aspects of Slaanesh.
Taken to the extreme, this manifests with people like Lucius, wanting to achieve perfection in a particular skill. But this isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Slaanesh is herself a manifestation of the extreme. (in 40k, at least)
Slaanesh was created by the Eldar as they were trying to push every exprience to the extreme exactly because "normal" sensations had lost meaning to them.
As for the reason why Slaanesh couldn't turn into anything better; it is because excess is the central pillar; if you released Slaanesh from the cage it would instantly go back to finding the absolute limits of all experience; which in practice always means going "too far"
@@captainnyet9855 disagree
im pretty sure it would take about 3 seconds for every single one of the gods except nurgle to turn into a glitched out rag doll stuck in a wall just violently flailing about trying to escape meanwhile papa nurgle would probably sit for a moment and then start ripping ass farting and god knows what else to try to rot his way to freedom.
"When the stars grow cold and distance.
When the husk of life finally rots away.
What food source does your precious Chaos have?
Nothing!"
- Rogal Dorn
Actually I think slaanesh might actually survive the sensory depravation tank in a kind of unexpected way. Shes the god of excess and the extremes of emotion, and that usually takes the form of extreme hedonism/sadomasochism. Techinincally boredom is a type of emotion/sensation too, but the thing is slaanesh usually has a variety of extremes to choose from: extreme pleasure, extreme pain, etc. But now the only choice she has is extreme boredom, so much so that she essentially turns into a boredom singularity almost like a new nurgle, just hyper focused on stagnancy and nothing else. Being deprived from all sensation for so long could make her completely forget what she looked like, and upon emerging she could look like big featurless silhouette, or a just person-shaped hole in reality. Maybe the silhouette could look vaguely female, as a sort final clinging vestige of her old self. One aspect of her transformation that i think could be cool is now she doesn't feel the need to make followers or demons, she just turns into an ever-expanding void, a growing realm of nothingness, kind of like Ginnungagap form norse mythology but alive and aware.
Alternative method for defeating the chaos gods:
Convince Gork and Mork that the Chaos Boyz are deserving of a good krumping
Love me right fist. Love me left fist.
Shrimple as
So this is basically if the SCP foundation managed to contain them. Speaking of which do you think the SCP foundation would make a good faction for 40K?
Eeeeeeeehhhh... Like their already similar to the inquisitions that is already taken up. But at the same time there are a LOT of sub-factions within the inquisition, so I don't know man.
This has already been realised in the 40k universe, in a uniquely 40k way, and it's one of my favourite pieces of lore.
Underneath the Imperial Palace, are the Vaults of Terra. These vaults were constructed millennia before M40 and use containment and sealing methods no longer known to humanity. Within these vaults, are insane abominable horrors from the Age of Strife. Terrors of Old Night. Horrors beyond description. During the brutal and bloody Unification Wars where the Emperor of Mankind finally unified a post apocalyptic war ridden Earth, He encountered creations of the techno-barbarian warlords. Gene-edited abhuman mutants, technological terrors, and unholy constructs so horrifying that all of humanity would lose it's sanity should it be exposed.
The men entrusted to guard these horrors? The Shadowkeepers. A specialised shield-host of the Adeptus Custodes, these veteran warriors are renowned for being absolutely unflinching and completely fearless. Such a skill is required to prowl the halls of the enormous Vaults.
Just prior to the Indomitus Crusade and after an attack on Terra by daemons, some of these vaults were found to be empty, their undescribable horrors escaped and wandering the galaxy. A containment breach. This was regarded as a pretty significant 'oopsie' and was one of the reasons the Adeptus Custodes were allowed to leave Terra for the first time in 10,000 years since the Horus Heresy.
@@isaiahgay5295 true, but the foundation would rather wipe the mind of a small group of people than wipe out an entire town because they found a never ending box of cookies.
That and the foundation is cross dimensional, but they do use and employ non-humans and anomalies, so they would most likely be a separate entity.
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Yeah I feel like that'd just be the Inquisition without the fanatical religious aspects and more science.
I could see the new nice version of khorn becoming best buddies with the Sanguineous warp entity
The twins?
@@moodyfingers7301 ?
@@miguelperez9906 There were two warp minor gods that have "something" to do with the Blood Angels. I can't remember their names, so I just call them the twins
@@moodyfingers7301oh you mean the beings that were smushed together by the emperor to make the original Sanguineous. They are still tied/linked to Sanguineous but he’s become not quite Sanguineous but a warp entity who can manipulate the two warp entity’s much like magnus manipulates things he gives power to when they upset him only to a lesser degree. The man who talks to Dante and mephiston who referred to them as his sons the guy who stuffs the dark angel into mephiston (and is also spoken about by magnus in the present tense.) that’s who I’m referring to as warp entity Sanguineous.
Interesting enough what you proposed actually happens in the SCP Mythos as there is alot of SCP entities who work and operate in similar ways as the Chaos gods do, and there are ways of locking them away, either through massive overly complicated methods like anti reality bending or anomalous means. And sometimes setting conditions where they don't have as much influence as they would or the nature of their existence completely changes.
Sometimes you stick the "protagonist" god in a story without a solvable problem. Sometimes you read a strapped-down child a story. Scp does a good job of making the cages as interesting as the caged
SCP 5001 comes to mind. A complex mechanical prison designed by one god to hold another. It holds Yaldabaoth, one of the big chaotic deities in the SCP universe, pretty much THE very embodiment of chaos actually. (And has powers that are a little bit of all four Chaos Gods of Warhammer.)
@@Rawnblade13
Yaldabaoth yep I am aware of her. She is very powerful despite not being the strongest Low elder god she is one of the most powerful leading ones. The scaling of her kind alone is enough to be above chaos gods entirely. It took everything in Mekhane who is likely her brother had to stop her after began consuming alot of sources of power from other elder gods and such. Pretty impressive on his part because it shows Mekhane was naturally powerful a likely prodigy among elder gods.
Reality anchoring machines.
Dr. Clef enters 40k
Every chaos god: I feel a disturbance in the warp.
If Khorne would be kept away from constant fighting, he might wish for fighting so much that he begins to value each individual fight more, making him lean more into the fairness, honesty and honor aspect of himself.
He might still like fights, but doesn't crave them anymore and instead enjoys each and every single one that occurs and which brings out the most in both participants.
A "peacefull" khorne very big on 'peace through strength', sportmanship and duels would be the best outcome i imagine.
While I'm not particularly interested on the chaos side of the setting, I am going to say that this kind of what if videos if properly executed could be really interesting way to further explore the setting. Also what was that outro music?
Slaanesh would absolutely find a way to enjoy a sensory deprivation chamber. It's just neglect play on the largest scale imaginable. Also, Slaanesh does have many positive aspects surrounding it (obviously, this is harder to see in WH40K). It is meant to represent pleasure in all its aspects. This included finding enjoyment in things you wouldn't or shouldn't enjoy, in order to make a terrible life bearable. It's the reason people choose to worship Slaanesh.
I love the humor in this and the acknowledgement of how dumb this would be. Thank you for making this and I'm definitely gonna expect more like this
What if locking Slaanesh up gave her a much needed tolerance break, allowing her to experience pleasure from normal things, like tea or a couple drinks with friends?
I really love the idea of a good Tzeentch: The god of Improvement, magic, hope and knowledge who wants to see his followers spread progress and advancement throughout the universe.
Slaanesh - For the most part I think you’re right, except that I don’t think Slaanesh would cease to exist. If I had to guess they would turn into almost a deity of abstinence within their prison, having their senses muted they’d begin to obsess over the absence of sensation as a sensation itself. I don’t know then whether or not they’d revert immediately back to excess after being let out, be a new deity of ascetic temperance, or become almost like a new Nurgle promoting defeated apathy and non-experience.
Tzeentch - I think, again, you’re about on the money. I feel like problematically at most Tzeentch would view the imprisonment as part of a long, long game, but that him just changing to accept positive emotions so that he could actually escape seems most likely. He could even be a new Schrödinger’s cat, with the third/second cat running around outside helping people educate themselves and make beneficial changes.
Nurgle - He’d love the box too much. Unless, like you said, he needs input from the growth and decline of his plagues, then I can only envision him wallowing in his newfound stagnation with absolute glee.
Khorne - I don’t necessarily agree with the idea that he would exactly become a ‘protector’ god, but I could believe that would be incidental. To me it seems much more likely that the primary beliefs and sensations he would latch onto would be honor, personal strength, and self-sufficiency. His newfound following would more or less be the wholesome side of things like homesteaders, first responders, powerlifters, etc.
Khorne as the god of powerlifters who reject the small dick compensatory side of the community is a great image
In my headcanon, your endpoint of khorne is what khorne originally was. A god of honor, martial prowess, and justice. An eye for an eye, blood for blood. However, as the mortal realms developed and warfare took on a grander scale, khorne's heart hardened. Justice was no longer found in killing a murderer to avenge his victims. Khorne's justice now required the butchering of entire armies who killed without honor. Entire empires would be razed in retaliation for their crimes. Every slight, every injustice, stung at khorne like a wasp, and he was determined to dish out retribution for every one of them. That would lead to the khorne we know today: a god who has decided that mortals are inherently dishonorable creatures. That the only "justice" that can be achieved in a world like 40k is found in the slaughter of billions for the sins of their ancestors. In khorne's mind, there is no innocence, only varying degrees of guilt. He rallies his armies to bring down the old world with fire and steel so that a better one might be built on the ashes.
When you seal away these entities you aren't removing what power they already have.
Slaanesh: Would vonit up Eldar souls and give them forms to make babies and do things. However they would all be living tormented aspects of the god of excess. So that's really grim.
Tzeentch: literally would stop time flowing around it waiting to be let loose.
Nurgle: god of death and rebirth. Would make a new garden of nurgle so when you open his box, you immediately unleash a million plagues along with a foul wind that would carry him out.
Khorne: would just create more bloodthirsters and daemons to fight waiting for his inevitable release. Would likely be scratching at his walls as well as just honing his martial skills of himself and his newly created daemons.
"Locking them up" isn't strictly what I was going for, I just didn't have any better way to word what I was thinking off.
@@pancreasnowork9939 isolation?
I just don't think it's feasible to kill the chaos gods. They are just too big and if a power vacuum appears the others would fight over the gap along with other entities seeking to usurp that role.
Maybe there existence is just inevitable, due to how the warp works. You remove a god allowing another entity to take its place.
Kinda need to find a way to kill the ideas behind them.
I like the idea of the mantra “Peace, through war!” For Khorne
The only thing that will ‘Purify’ the Ruinous Powers is a well placed Bolter Round.
I like what happens to Tzeentch, because what you said amounted to "Every Outcome", he ceases to exist (Change Aspect), he changes for the better (Ambition Aspect) and he throws endless fireballs (Magic Aspect)
Nurgle turns into the god of tough love?
Speaking of, While technically Slanesh is best known for being the god[dess] of excess, they also have passion as part of their portfolio, along with artistry and a couple other things. In other words, they could become a god[dess] of love and/or art.
in 40k Slaanesh is the literal embodiment of excess (to the point of being directly created out of the excesses of the eldar) with all other associations being merely secondary and largely coincidental; of all the Chaos gods Slaanesh is the only one where we can definitively say we "know" what lies at the core of it's exsistence for that very reason; as opposed to a Nurgle where we can only hope to theorise as to what is it's central aspect (it could be life, stagnancy or decay just to name a few big ones)
I have come realize that it is the simple acts of kindness and love that keep the darkness away
- Gandalf
It was all apart of Tzeench’s plan to be in the box and it is secretly a trap and he becomes more powerful.
Also remember what Magnus discussed in TTS; killing chaos or trying to deprive the warp of chaos will just create a new kind of chaos. So in this box scenario you would just end up with new gods representing the absence of the previous gods or like an anti-chaos that is itself chaos.
In the lore series by Lutin, the emperor says that when dealing with the chaos gods he walked the only path of light. I wonder what other paths existed. The chaos gods must know their power is drawn mostly from humans and that our prosperity and existence is vital for their current form. I wonder if there was a grey or darker path the emperor could have taken that united the chaos gods with mankind. If the relationship was more amicable. If mankind was aware and informed about chaos and psychers were seen as preists and they could choose who they followed. If the chaos entities taught humans more about the warp.
I bring this up because the tyrinads, from my perspective, actually have a chance of genociding the entire human population. I wonder that if chaos in our timeline would try things that would let mankind survive, not for the sake of friendship, but for their own need if endless human emotions to fuel them. If we die, they also die. As it is clear that humans are the #1 contributor to the emotions poured into the warp. I don't know if it is because 1 human produces more warp emotions than 1 eldarie, or if there has to more than 1,000,000,000,000,000+ humans. That is just my guess on the human population, but if every hive world has 1,000,000,000,000 people, then I think my number is actually conservative.
Eldars emotions are way more then humans but I think personally the reason why humans are the 1# contributors to chaos is cause we ourselves don't exactly have a set thing the eldars can choose something and go through with it humans in the other hand can't do that exactly we are in a way chaos making itself into order so that's why humans contribute more to chaos then anyone else because we are not really sure what to do
Slaanesh would become a god of happiness and fulfillment aswell as satisfaction and self improvement
"You are going on time-out"
Slaneesh: Guess I'll die
Nurgle: Jokes on you I'm into this shit!
Here’s my take:
Khorne and Slaanesh are pretty spot on
Tzeentch would either foresee his imprisonment and come up with a plan to turn it to his advantage OR his endless ambition and scheming would allow him to keep making escape attempts until the end of time.
Nurgle however, being the god of stagnation and finality would just.... sit there, forever, content to just wait and wait and wait, until he’s free or time ends, whichever comes first.
Yes! I have been waiting to make a chaos faction that worships the "old faith" as it's called in 40k where people worship the goods of the chaos gods and denounced the bad making their demons/archdemons the equivalent of an army of st. Celestine!
Ignoring the obvious "this is impossible" statement, the Khorne idea is really interesting. Would definitely shake things up to have an actual honorable and noble deity in 40k
I figure that slaanesh could get by as a god of art, perfection and a less violent carnality.
I've been developing my own idealized version of the WH40k lore and making it into my own story. Thanks for the ideas
I've always seen the Chaos Gods are both cause and consequence.
Like, they influence the galaxy according to their own agenda, but they can only act within their nature. No free will.
So this thought experiment is very amusing to me.
I like the disclaimer that this is barely relevant to anything actually going on in 40k because the big thing that has kept me from actually getting into 40k instead of sticking with fan stuff online is that this sort of question is way more interesting to me than anything actually going on in 40k.
If you locked the chaos gods away from all the Emotions that feed them, those Emotions would coalesce in the warp into new chaos gods with those same emotions. Or maybe a existing higher demon would grab all those emotions, becoming the new chaos god of those Emotions.
Maybe Neo-Slanesh would not be as focussed on the Eldar this time, but overall it is the same under new name. The locked away versions would wither and die.
If you only locked them away from the bad half of their feeding emotions, those new chaos gods would just be a lot less filtered. NeoKhorne would stop caring for Honor. NeoNurgle would just wholesale wipe out life. Etc.
0:20 damn bro slaanesh is a baddy
got two ideas for war cries for the renewed Khorne:
Swords for the Iron thrown!
or
Honor for the thrown of glory!
but "Shields for the Shield Wall!" is pretty cool, I think.
The ultimate way to defeat Khorne would be to do what you said to do to Tzeentch here, but offer him the change of becoming an Anger Management Therapist for Khorne. Tzeentch being the mega-genius he is could probably figure out a way to pacify the dude. That being said he might scheme to go back to his days of tomfuckery after the fact, but idfk put him back in the time-out zone
I thought slaanesh's positive aspects were creativity and striving for perfection as art and a job well done cause high levels of sensation. Maybe she/he/it becomes a god of art or some shit
Granted Slaanesh is also the god of perfection in all things, I think the part of her that would survive is what gave her birth in the first place : the quest for satisfaction, rather than excess. Instead of trying to push everyone to reach "greater high", she'd be solely fed by the feelings of fulfillment that come from achieving something, without immediately building a tolerance to it. Like, week A, you have [redacted] with your wife, it feels good, week A+1, you do the thing again, it feels just as good, *and there it is*. She'd probably get more psychic energy from, say, an artist who spent hours upon hours on their craft and *just* finished it, but she wouldn't push them to insanity and making it overcomplicated and replace the paint by blood and so on.
I mean come on, fizzling away with nothing left is just boring, I'm sure that would be an interresting alternative. If the god of axes in the face who's fueled by unyeilding rage can become a decent person, why couldn't my perfectionism have a deity that allows it to exist as well ?
funny how in a weird way Khorne, simultaneously, changes the most and least. also Slaanesh may TRY to latch on to the side of her that encourages creativity, art, and other such nicities.
Love the idea khorne in an indestructible garden
It just....kinda works
I think Slaanesh could have a chance if the few positive aspects are latched on to, perhaps turning into a sane deity related to the arts.
There’s a misconception about Nurgle's “love”, he definitely loves his daemons sure they are ultimately a part of him, but his “love” for his human worshippers only go as far as the distance that his followers carry his plagues nothing more. He would never love you for who you are, as a warp based being (and like all warp beings) he absolutely despises materium constructs.
The last like 20 seconds was amazing!
Now for the actual content, I know nor care too little about the chaos gods to really say much..... Love the thought experiment but just too far out there for me personally.
I feel like Tzeentch would struggle within a prison box. I do agree he could split himself into different entities, but I think the main benefit of him doing such a thing is that he creates rivals for himself to overcome. Their plots and schemes and ambition to be the strongest can be pursued as long as there are other entities inside the box competing with him.
One thing that always weirded me about Khorne is the idea that he embodies justice and honor. Like you would definitely see a bloodthirster body slam an orphan just for it looking at him wrong. In my eyes Khorne could embody the idea of a honorable duel it’s still bloodshed and honor so it would make sense for his followers to adopt a only fair fights policy. Plus this would give a cool theme to Khornes army of being the strongest but also the fairest and could add some calm to the otherwise murder train that is Korn daemons.
Slaanesh is also the diety of love and happiness, so they could essentially become like Aphrodite
While I generally agree with your Slaanesh analysis, in keeping with your way of rehabbing/transformation of the gods, he/she could dial it back to be more the God of procreation and creativity. Finding new ways to express yourself doesn't always have to be through murder orgies.
Also for all these transformations, it's fun to think about what new boons they'd give the new followers: Khorne giving his warriors a Sanctuary-type aura from DnD where no one can attack them unless they attack first. Or for Nurgle, transferring life from enemies to heal injuries
procreation is nurgle's domain (circle of life); creativity is Tzeench's. (progress)
Slaanesh represents excess. (which is exactly why she was created the way she was in 40k lore; created when all that was in moderation had lost it's value to the eldar and they resorted to everything in it's extremes; and it is also why her manifestation was so devastating)
pleasure is the main thing that leads people to slaanesh; but it is only the excess of pleasure that slaanesh really represents her, (as does the excess of pain, or sorrow, or any other experience)
of all the human states of mind, it is perhaps only ambition that can be seens as Slaaneshi.
slaanesh is also a god of passion and perfection, IMO they would just become like. a very ocd art collector.
I think the bigger issue here is that by cutting off all that power they should be receiving you may just create something worse. Maybe the gods are born anew outside the box but you might just create a "god of misplaced prayer" which amps up everything you displaced in one horrible package. A being so terrible that it forces the factions to unite against it. You may even need those shiny new gods you "purified" to help defeat what replaced them.
Ngl I’d kinda like to see your thoughts of what would happen if you did this to the other warhammer gods
I really like the analysis and *almost* completely agree with the conclusions, with the exception of Slannesh and Tzeench. The former I always understood as feeding off *emotions in general* not specifically excessive ones. It's just that more emotions/more excess, means more power so that's what she encourages. So my guess (under that understanding) would be that she'd turn into the heart of the pantheon, acting in a similar vein as Isha in the caring fashion, but from an emotional rather than physical sense.
Tzeench I've understood as a God of Magic and Knowledge *primarily* and scheming as a convenient secondary. Take away the latter and I could see him focus more on the former so I'd see him coming out as The God of Knowledge and Invention, with maybe a bit of carefree-ness as a byproduct of his old scheming nature. Kinda like a mix between Odin & Loki, or something like that?
I don't know, just kinda spitballing here...
got a question: now that you are shifting away from 40k, could you tell us your thoughts on age of sigmar?
Imo they’d just disappear in the box with no food, sure some time may be required but they’d go.
During that time would something else take their place or would it just be themselves reincarnated? Would the time in the above case be any effect? Wouldn’t it warp shenanigans back to they were them?